ye
#subtlety
warm depot
yes plz it answers pretty much everything LMFAO
languid mortar
oh yeah
one more question
so like, i never really find myself in a situation where im using symbols/sec tech without dance
is that bad?
short radish
that's the right command, you just summon guy instead with it
warm depot
wide kernel
How play sub
short radish
!guide
short radish
check the guide
wicked urchin
103 pulls on sprocket god help me
short radish
103 pulls on sprocket god help me
this could be you 
frozen lichen
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hollow python
any tips on underpin ?? as sub? seem to keep getting slightly behind on ads and it all falls apart when slightly behind and then one spawns way in narnia on top of that or just trapped in mechanic vomit
lucid jackal
U kick the balls in
to kill the adds u dont swap to em
The spec does all its damage in blades so just running around doing balls is fine
hollow python
yep prioritizing adds over everything on balls just seem to keep getting some unlucky super spaced out spawns where im just wishing for 3 sprints lol
warm depot
u should have dances up for every shield
do ur burst every time its up
and chill otherwise
subs got it pretty easy for this one as long as u dont get impatient
graceful rock
Am I trolling my guild by playing sub on stix?
lucid jackal
No
graceful rock
I’m just thinking of anything to be done with this boss
lament brook
How important is being at low cps when you dance? I notice sometimes between my two dances on my blades go that I have full cps and then I try to spend before re-entering dance and I'll get a shadowcraft proc and spend another finisher and it kinda feels wasteful over having that in dance
short radish
actually what's the rule if youre say at either 3 or 4 cp when you're ready to go into a dance + symbols + sectech
do you do another generator to then finish at max cp -2
or do you just do a 3-4 cp finisher
hexed sluice
Anything I can evasion or cloak on gallywix like Rik Reverbs Amplification?
sly shore
Just play slow, focus on balls
Bet that was easy for you
wicked urchin
this could be you <:pepeGrin:1131142369618710578>
probably will be
high wadi
I wonder how much dps sub's shroud is worth in theater in terms of the time you save walking from wing to wing
wicked urchin
my guild did fine on stix but hoooooooly are we getting mechanic checked
speed shroud gud
wicked urchin
my speed > your speed
high wadi
it feels insanely good to have when I run it but logs from both other specs do more damage than sub logs
short radish
if you press it every wing it probably saves a good half a minute all up
or minute
wait can i math
yeah
minute
stoic oriole
any have problem with the skill administrator ? i want that see colddown of rupture for mob
proper latch
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
haughty rose
any tips to get the most DPS out of Vexie in heroic? I just checked my logs and i have 3,03m DPS. The top Sub Rogues on that particular fight have 4-4,7m DPS.
dreamy badger
Cds on pull, 2nd cds in phase with pot and 1 phase the fight
If you dont 1 phase you wont get a top log
haughty rose
okok thanks.
and any tips on gally? i got 1,9M while top sub rogues have 2,5 - 2,7m DPS although i thought i had a perfect fight. Delayed the second Blades+Flag a bit to get a cold blood big sectec on the adds and also lined up all CD's perfectly on the total destruction phase with pot. the group yesterday also didn't kick straight away
plush roost
Heroic logs are weird, especially for sub, since the longer a fight goes on the worse sub performs.
So with good guilds doing split runs to farm their last trinket here and there, the kill timer will be shorter and thus more of a condensed amount of cd usage without running into the dry spell sub runs into typically.
Like those 2.5-2.7m kills are all 5.5minute fights
Your average pug isn't killing gally in 5 mins
glacial orbit
dont forget booster groups
40 people in with only 15 doing dps
nuking everything down
any fight with adds they pad with no end
short radish
yeah 1.9 is kinda low
plush roost
I'd have to look at a log but you're probably missing something, or your kill timer is bad
Or both
haughty rose
Like those 2.5-2.7m kills are all 5.5minute fights
not all tbf. some were around my kill time from yesterday which was around 6:30
short radish
probably not padding on adds or something
dreamy badger
My highest damage on gally is 2.5 mill and i always full send boss, never holding cds
haughty rose
My highest damage on gally is 2.5 mill and i always full send boss, never holdin...
maybe i try that and pray to the rng gods
dreamy badger
Just never hold
keen dome
I should try that
But in pug groups I'm always terrified people won't kill adds so I end up holding in case
dreamy badger
Only hold if you will move far in the next couple of seconds
short radish
can pugs acutally kill gally yet?
keen dome
On heroic? yeah
haughty rose
Just never hold
well i didn't hold on Sprocket yesterday and almost got top 50 but that fight has no adds
short radish
i suppose you just need to have one person doing bombs
keen dome
Stack healers, 1 sensible person does bombs. Pray they don't kick on the shield break and he dies
plush roost
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/pablov?bybracket=1
You have a signet and no 1.5 min trinket
You're already losing a ton of dps off that alone oof
keen dome
Most pug wipes I see on gally are due to two things: 1. Bombs done badly (including tank bombs) and 2. P3 Soaks not done at all.
haughty rose
You have a signet and no 1.5 min trinket
yeah true. should check sims again if theres a better option which isnt HoC
plush roost
Pvp trinket or transmittee
haughty rose
Pvp trinket or transmittee
pvp trinket was pretty bad when i sim'd it but since so many say it's good i should try it
wild vine
pvp trinket was pretty bad when i sim'd it but since so many say it's good i sho...
The conqueror one
haughty rose
but then again i only ever sim 1 boss 5 min and 5 boss 1 min
plush roost
You also mess up your opener, using 2 finishers between dances during cds which wastes sblades uptime and can reset your tier set
haughty rose
You also mess up your opener, using 2 finishers between dances during cds which ...
good catch. yeah i do that and until now never thought of tier set bonus actually
plush roost
Your second set of cds you miss 2 globals during first dance, and again delay between them
Your 3rd set of cds you missed 4! Globals during your first shadow dance and didnt even fit the second one in most of the cd window
haughty rose
Your second set of cds you miss 2 globals during first dance, and again delay be...
oh yeah now i remember. i didnt check sec tec CD when i hit sod for big flag sec tec which was the reason for it. maybe not so flawless as i thought lol
i had a big lag spike in the middle of the fight somewhere
raid wide lag
plush roost
And your last set of cds was okay thought you again didnt chain shadow dances
haughty rose
but thanks for analysis. i'll do dance b2b in the future
plush roost
So yeah thats where all your dps went haha
Cds are almost all of our damage as sub so those 16 globals are extremely important
haughty rose
Cds are almost all of our damage as sub so those 16 globals are extremely import...
true yeah, that lag spike was incredibly unfortunate although it didn't felt as impactful at the time
haughty rose
The conqueror one
you mean "prized gladiators badge of ferocity"?
plush roost
I mean yeah that one sucks but you're definitely losing out on your other sets as well. But anyway hope that gives you a beacon to aim for
haughty rose
I mean yeah that one sucks but you're definitely losing out on your other sets a...
it definitely does yeah. thanks
haughty rose
you mean "prized gladiators badge of ferocity"?
the blue helmet thing
quasi wedge
are the nightfall gears not updated on raidbots? i don't see any proc from the weps
plush roost
Prized Gladiators Badge
lilac stag
wide kernel
is that trinket better than champion hoc
quasi wedge
it's literally one of the best trinkets for sub
but also gets beaten by veteran hoc
lilac stag
quasi wedge
crazy balance
keen dome
It's just how impactful a 1.5 pure stat trinket is for a spec built around 1.5 cooldowns
quasi wedge
tbh im glad the badge is there for us
keen dome
Same.
People'll have a Myth hoC in S3 via dinars but it'll still be there in S3 I imagine for those that don't. A consistent friend to help us out
quasi wedge
the other proc one used to be super good for outlaw as well
but not in this tier
shadow lance
Sub became officially my fav rogue spec and the most frustrating
vale pine
nice, welcome to the club
haughty mural
sacred yarrow
one of us, one of us
alpine wraith
yea that is the play
tribal blade
my push group has to put up with me bitching about sub's treatment by the devs
we were shitting on mages earlier
tribal blade
how arcane was struggling and now they mega buffed it and it's literally become a meta spec
BUT NOT SUB
tribal blade
Surely it will get buffs soon
i dunno man /cry
alpine wraith
arcane was decent in m+
now it is decent everywhere
and busted in m+ kinda
with how comps work
tribal blade
yeah they slot in perfectly since the other 2 meta dps are massive aoe
so it doesn't matter arcane doesn't do giga aoe because their ST and funnel are ridiculous
alpine wraith
and with high enough keys target actually survives getting touched
and it has execute
XD
tribal blade
yeah iirc unholy isn't really doing much prio
alpine wraith
i cant
tribal blade
so their main target survives
tribal blade
ahh i see
short aurora
So arcane can do what sub does Just better and with lust?
tribal blade
So arcane can do what sub does Just better and with lust?
yes
short aurora
tribal blade
they also bring a raid buff
short aurora
True
short aurora
Fun fun fun
tribal blade
WAY more utility
merry agate
We gloomin again
Surely we get reworked again soon enough with 2-3 New Talents and bangers like shadowheart
👏
tribal blade
i timed a 15 cinder a few days ago
we fucked up the dungeon and killed the yes men before last boss with 3.5 mins left
so we thought no time
but there was an arcane mage in the group
he had been doing lowish overall
but he fucking exploded the last boss and we timed it
placid wasp
My overall on sub is lower than almost every other of my characters but the keys go a few mins faster on sub than all my others, prio damage is a hell of a drug
lilac stag
not the half ass sub shit we have now
tribal blade
if not more prio
lilac stag
way more. You can cheese the sd dmg into a prior
tribal blade
also timed a 15 rookery that had no time left because they pulled adds into the last boss
and the arcane mage fucking nuked the boss
paper iron
lilac stag
yeah arcane blasting now
paper iron
Look at dfc first boss in 13
I m deleting that shitty boss
Give couple mobs to funnel and arcane destroys it alone
tribal blade
lol ridiculous
paper iron
I ve seen hopefull doing 995m on big momma
lilac stag
sub is just meh. The ST dmg doesn’t make up for enough. It will be good where your 90 sec cds fit within mechanics. Rough when it won’t.
tribal blade
i don't like that fight because juggling the mark as sin is annoying af
paper iron
As assa I usually do like 750 800 in 15+
Assa is just the best spec in the game for this particular fight I think
tribal blade
are you playing bleed or hybrid?
paper iron
Depends I m switching à lot
lilac stag
I think we’re gonna hit 3k and then just chill. We hit all 12s last night which was nice.
paper iron
tribal blade
oh also are you holding deathmark for the burn phases
lilac stag
no carrot after the mount
tribal blade
i haven't begun to start optimizing that boss yet
tribal blade
i've been doing that boss by using a vanish charge if available as soon as adds spawn again after burn
and then holding DM for burn phases
paper iron
Assa is really the best spec in the entire game for this boss. U ll top adds and boss damage
tribal blade
yeah it feels good
i guess if you're not holding DM on the boss you def want to hold DM if the boss is gonna go into a burn below 35%
paper iron
1st brew boss is also à banger if you can get 3 adds every phase cause your tank is good
pastel rampart
open sub chat
look inside
assa
tribal blade
>open sub chat
>look inside
>assa
you know it brother
paper iron
Sub needs love man
tribal blade
this is what happens when they put sub into the dirt
lilac stag
i guess if you're not holding DM on the boss you def want to hold DM if the boss...
I’ve been using it on trash before and then at execute on momma
tribal blade
I’ve been using it on trash before and then at execute on momma
the boss takes a stupid amount of time once the key is a bit higher 😦
esp if you don't ahve the right dps specs
lilac stag
yeah
lilac stag
Even last boss in rookery was getting annoyingly long
paper iron
As mage we re arguing to Know wich specs is the best
tribal blade
last boss of rookery is probably the hardest boss of the entire season
once the key level is high enough
paper iron
Gotta be Sub for Last rookery boss
hazy breach
Hardest dps check you mean
paper iron
What i do is tp out after 2nd boss
tribal blade
bananas
tribal blade
ah cool
paper iron
Arcane uwu
lilac stag
this is probably most I’ve pushed and that just becuse we have a stable group. No shaman no sub. Sorry
tribal blade
oh arcane hahaha
tribal blade
not worth running sub if you don't have skyfury
livid girder
do we ever press slice and dice or is its uptime good enough with the procs?
tribal blade
the only time i press snd is between pulls in M+
to farm some cdr
but not a big deal
hazy breach
You could BP instead in those situations too so its kinda whatever
lilac stag
the only time i press snd is between pulls in M+
You haven’t done that in weeks 
livid girder
and im a bit confused about trick of the trade, do we use it on cd or just once on tank and it lasts hour?
hazy breach
Once
livid girder
okay, thank u
tribal blade
You haven’t done that in weeks <:BleedBuild:1358218723986509834> <:omegalul:5857...
TRUE
although i am playing sub on bandit
we got our best pull tonight
hazy breach
My crafted items have haste on them, what spec do you think im playing 
Excited for mugzee taking a 5% hp nerf so we get to hold damage for longer 
Surely theres some ungabunga strat where we can just blast soon enough
tribal blade
reel assistant dmg on our best pull of the night
lilac stag
although i am playing sub on bandit
Sub on Stix. Likely bandit when we get there
we’re extending after this week
tribal blade
we’re extending after this week
nice
native zodiac
Surely theres some ungabunga strat where we can just blast soon enough
There is already
You push at 4mins instead of 5
With lust on pull, think theres a public log from advance on it
tribal blade
bandit doesn't feel so bad honestly
the only hard part is seeing the flame tornados
and i guess the fight is hard for ranged, because the ranged on my raid team are flopping over left and right every single pull
lilac stag
have they tried using defensives and standing in range of the healers?
tribal blade
it is very easy to fuck up the boss though
tribal blade
have they tried using defensives and standing in range of the healers?
lol
lilac stag
ngl I love watching the boomkins flop over on Stix
makes up for me playing nightcrawler for interrupts on ranged adds
tribal blade
if melee need to zoom around the map on stix to do stuff the ranged should be doing
your ranged aren't doing their jobs 😦
paper iron
reel assistant dmg on our best pull of the night
ya ll need a script to see only assistants damage that matters
cause u dont care about the 2 first on pulls
and the 3rd one of each sets
var id = 228463;
relevantInstanceIds = new Set()
pinMatchesFightEvent = (event, fight) => {
return event.type === 'damage' && event.target.gameId === id && relevantInstanceIds.has(event.target.instanceId)
}
initializePinForFight = (fight) => {
relevantInstanceIds = new Set(
fight.enemyDeathEvents
.filter(e => e.target.gameId === id)
.map(e => e.target.instanceId)
.filter((event, i) => {
return (i + 1) % 3 !== 0
})
)
}
tribal blade
ya ll need a script to see only assistants damage that matters
i think logs separates out the first 2 on pull
tribal blade
ah ok nice
paper iron
in queries
paste the script and make sure to select filter
@hazy breach and there is a strat currently where u play 4 healers on mug, and you lust arround 4mn to phase him sooner and have a bit of lust left for intermission 
(so you also dont hold 2mn, you send them right at 4mn now)
we didnt try yet but we re gonna next week i think
leaden prairie
They just hotfixed the boss -5%
I think you don't even have a choice now
We already had to stop DPS like 1 min straight this week
paper iron
that s so weird
leaden prairie
The -5% health nerf?
paper iron
i remember when they nerfed rohkalo
we ended up holding dps for longer
boss lost like 15% max hp in total
but the fight was still the same lenght
same with KT
what a tier that was sod
leaden prairie
ye but i think rn everyone will skip second set of bomb
it jsut makes the fight easier anyway ?
leaden prairie
no its the second bomb set
paper iron
u forgot about the 1st one on pull
tribal blade
in queries
ok i think i got it
paper iron
2nd set is just before immune soak ayee
leaden prairie
yeye
paper iron
i was like
wtf phasing the boss before 2.30 that would be insane
probably doable with 10 devoker
leaden prairie
xdd
paper iron
tbh
paper iron
leaden prairie
whole fight is terrible as outalw lol
paper iron
i bet so
leaden prairie
I feel like I'm playing bad on oab
Idk how to play outlaw optimally on the boss
Without trolling
Basically
So it feels bad
paper iron
muh dude farming them r1's
tribal blade
can't imagine pressing ks on bandit with coins and tornadoes
leaden prairie
Like outside of ks I also want to bte and ps the middle add to cleave right
But doing that I need an angle
Where I'm bad baiting coins
Idk how to do it good
I will figure it out probably
leaden prairie
muh dude farming them r1's
Don't look at mugzee, R2 being green parse im still mad
hazy breach
probably doable with 10 devoker
Once sub gets buffed its gonna be easy 
leaden prairie
bf doesnt cleave on gaols right?
no
leaden prairie
oh yea i see what ya mean
like
im trying to bte middle
but depending where boss is
paper iron
meanwhile dude is chilling
leaden prairie
idk how to do that without trolling coins
also my raid leader made me go sub this week
paper iron
u know there is a strat
where u dont spawn premium bombs at all?
also speedkill strat i think
leaden prairie
is there a strat where you dont stop dps
i cba man
legit having to dps stop every boss
paper iron
u skip last assistants
leaden prairie
DPS what
paper iron
dps boss
leaden prairie
Idk how the boss work anyway
paper iron
Same 
hazy breach
You skip the last set anyway right
hazy breach
So you just move the other sets 1 forward
paper iron
yea eleem it s kinda that
paper iron
i think u spawn normal bombs 2nd
so u get some funnel the whole fight or something
idk
and that s the mugzee skip
if you re intrested
leaden prairie
ye i iknow how to do the mug one
censi
thoughts on first boss
being the hardest boss in the raid
leaden prairie
idk how to log on it
leaden prairie
im confusion
leaden prairie
first boss we do the stay in middle of the room strat
noi dea what that is
lilac stag
You have to be on wall to parse
paper iron
short aurora
Would you rupture snipe bikes as assa?
leaden prairie
and only casters kill bikes
Ah ok
We kinda are close to wall
But too far for cleave
leaden prairie
Is that what you mean
short aurora
paper iron
like
they get the boss phasing at 4.15
for fun
look at me and monk being trash
so we used to send cds at 00 2.00 3.30 5.00
now i ll have to do 00 2.00 .4.00
holding cds everytime fk me
well not really true since i m assa now 
btw zac, heard you gonna raid 6 or 7 days a week next tier, GL with that 
leaden prairie
6 ye
lilac stag
Would you rupture snipe bikes as assa?
You should rupture bikes in range yes
paper iron
taht s fun cause people are leaving wave cause you guys gonna raid too much, but some people are leaving quichons cause they dont raid enough
people in quichons be like "hey we raid 6days and night a week and only do 4 splits it s not enough"
and i m like "i only raid 3 days and it feels too much already"
paper iron
i dont remember names
it s echoes we had in our guild, you know people talking all over the places, cant know what s real what s false
isnt your 2nd rogue leaving ?
lilac stag
related: no one wants to play rogue
dusty totem
well not really true since i m assa now <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
Then they phase 1:30 just to fuck with u
leaden prairie
Idk who the other people in this screen are tho
Rogue left for other reason
And I left cause I race changed
Seykoh is one of our officer he probably just race changed as well
paper iron
what i heard is that
voci said "since you guys are here every nights anyway, instead of talking about other prog let s do more progs ourselves"
That s my man voci spirit
leaden prairie
Ye basically
He isn't wrong tho
Like we weren't raiding on Friday and Saturday
And everyone was online
Watching others prog
Idc Either way
There is no difference to me between 5 and more days
In the end you just are raiding every day
paper iron
oh yea there is no diff between 5 and 7 days
leaden prairie
Imma be honest I didn't even know how many days we were raiding till end of prog
I just was there every night anyway
paper iron
as long as it s not adding day raiding in addition to night raid
leaden prairie
Waiting for a ping
lilac stag
day raiding is key time. 
paper iron
i had the choice to join endeavor in SL
but i chosed not to
cuz 6 day+night raid
during prog
no thanks not for me
i had a mcdonalds to run ya know
i ll need to find another hof 3 raidnight guild
else i m moving out of wow for real
leaden prairie
I mean I have a job
I can't day raid
But idc about raiding a lot at night
Ends prog fast anyway
paper iron
u dont respect these lines btw zac
you aint humble
imma tell voci to kick you out for ego
molten citrus
leaden prairie
hard to be humble where you are the best at what you do you know
leaden prairie
they did
molten citrus
at least that part is true
paper iron
my guild cant bother with me anymore
tepid trellis
imagine having a guild
paper iron
Stealthi
tepid trellis
tepid trellis
to play lost ark!
paper iron
I ll put a picture of you next to my ramfam picture on my wall of rogues
inbetween reckful and ram, you ll do well there
tepid trellis
im just gonna stay around the same WR as iam now with same hours roughly
dont really wanna go up in days unless its to actually go full hardcore
paper iron
that s a based lfg
leaden prairie
nice
Censi you will have to give me name btw
Of who is leaving from raid time
Cause I swear I haven't heard of even one
paper iron
imma ask and i keep you in touch
it s not many people anyway
it s like 2 names
i just found it funny to hear "people leaving wave cuz raiding too much, people leaving quichons cuz not raiding enough"
leaden prairie
I remember razhag left one of his old guild to raid less lol
And he always manage to stuck himself in guilds raiding 6 days xd
paper iron
razhag isnt leaving guilds by himself often
maybe it s true for that one
but it s not often the case
he was in wisp before
leaden prairie
I think when he left advance that was the reason
leaden prairie
Idr
tepid trellis
based
leaden prairie
based
tepid trellis
hey raid stops at 00:00
paper iron
tepid trellis
he takes that very serious
paper iron
i mean we dont push for hours
we can do 1 or 2 more pulls if we re close to kill
it s stated in the contract!
tepid trellis
we did do that
leaden prairie
Sure
tepid trellis
but never pulled if the clock was already at 23
22:59
we go again
23:00, cya next raid lads
leaden prairie
i love razhag
tepid trellis
he is the most french sounding person ive heard speaking in the last 4 years
paper iron
when my schedule end at 5pm and my boss ask me some extra, i cant refuse u know
raz doesnt do any efforts
tepid trellis
when my schedule end at 5pm and my boss ask me some extra, i cant refuse u know
oh i very much can
leaden prairie
when my schedule end at 5pm and my boss ask me some extra, i cant refuse u know
?
Litteraly one of the thing
tepid trellis
if he wants me to stay more
leaden prairie
I
paper iron
try that in corporate jobs in france
tepid trellis
then pay me extra
leaden prairie
I leave my job at 17.30 on the clock
Not 1 second later
I know it pisses my boss off also
paper iron
i mean
tepid trellis
(not my actual work hours)
paper iron
you re still getting paid more for additionals started hours
paper iron
u know what else has deadlines?
tepid trellis
then thats how much i work
tepid trellis
Colour*
tepid trellis
its how its written in alot of european countries in english
we aint muricans out here
tepid trellis
they were probably just settlers from other countries xD
paper iron
the only pirates i trust
are outer heaven
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant wait for mgs3 remaster it s coming sooooon
round latch
aaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant wait for mgs3 remaster it s coming sooooon
the only remaster i wanna see is outlaw tree
more like
reconstruct
from scratch
paper iron
outlaw is in dark times
tepid trellis
what if outlaw delete?
round latch
more like dark ages
round latch
what if outlaw delete?
wouldnt complain
also remove pirate channel from our sacred discord
lilac stag
what if outlaw delete?
The timeline starts healing.
leaden prairie
Why the hate for outlaw always
While outlaw players are nice guys playing your specs
I play sub and sin every tier
I'm cool
You guys don't even engage with my spec and want it gone
Wtf ..
leaden prairie
no one does
paper iron
noone does
crystal bone
i have a full outlaw gear set in the bags
paper iron
fk ks
round latch
i like outlaw, i just don't like killing spree
im playing it here and there its just atrocious,KS is just a problem on the bigger picture
crystal bone
and my team has phys comp available
i just hesitate trying it
for ToP
and cleft
bleed sin benefits decent enough from phys comp
its like 65% bleeds
wild vine
Why the hate for outlaw always
The whole pirate theme thing is dog
hazy breach
I hate that people are calling stuff "phys comp"
wild vine
I want them to make it a duelist spec
hazy breach
Classic type shit
wild vine
leaden prairie
Just have guns bro
crystal bone
I hate that people are calling stuff "phys comp"
what would u rather it be called?
wild vine
Nah, it needs 1 sword 1 dagger
hazy breach
what would u rather it be called?
No, the concept
crystal bone
o
paper iron
and so fk caustic and envenom anyways
paper iron
talking for higher keys than 12's of course
crystal bone
paper iron
maybe even more zac
leaden prairie
like war is same value for both
hazy breach
It does
leaden prairie
idk
crystal bone
80% physical
i think its more like 70%
hazy breach
Everything scales with warrior
leaden prairie
Ap scaling Is different on every spell anyway
Could very well have a spec with better ap scaling anyway
paper iron
i mean currently we have 2 comps in lfg
crystal bone
how much phys is sub? cuz i like sub for 2nd half of ToP
paper iron
The classic vdh mage boomie dk priest
hazy breach
Could very well have a spec with better ap scaling anyway
I mean not really. Its practically just all of your damage
Besides stuff like trinkets and special items
paper iron
and the physical war druid sham X X
tepid trellis
how much phys is sub? cuz i like sub for 2nd half of ToP
around the half mark
leaden prairie
I mean not really. Its practically just all of your damage
Ye but every spell have a diff ap ratio
paper iron
there are some in lfg
hazy breach
well ye but that doesnt matter
paper iron
i do also zac
hazy breach
5% more ap is 5% more damage
leaden prairie
Only dks and Boomies applying
paper iron
uh
leaden prairie
5% more ap is 5% more damage
If you have lesser ap scaling it would be less no?
paper iron
maybe my maths are incoorect
leaden prairie
Or no I guess
hazy breach
No?
leaden prairie
Why not
paper iron
but if a spell scale by 200% ap let s say
crystal bone
Only dks and Boomies applying
leaden prairie
hm
paper iron
yea i figured it out typing it
tepid trellis
not the percentage math again
leaden prairie
ok
tepid trellis
eleem ive not recovered from the last one
leaden prairie
tell me
hazy breach
The only thing that doesnt scale with AP is trinkets and stuff like best in slots
tepid trellis
some months back
wild vine
eleem ive not recovered from the last one
Dont do meth
leaden prairie
The only thing that doesnt scale with AP is trinkets and stuff like best in slot...
Honestly
That still is quite relevant
For a spec like outlaw for example that don't like stats stuffs
So then you end up with damage trinkets
And you have 0 AOE scaling
tepid trellis
would be more relevant if we still had strong trinkets
hazy breach
Well trinkets are horrid this expansion so
tepid trellis
RIP noggenfogger
paper iron
give us xymox cache
again
where is xymox
we sure gonna fight him a 3rd times right?
leaden prairie
RIP noggenfogger
Funny how fast they fixed those right
Outlaw currently losing like 6/7% overall damage in keys from 2 bugs and these won't ever get fixed
hazy breach
I checked a top outlaw log on sprocket and he has 11% non-rogue damage
Wasnt that shit like 40% in DF
paper iron
wasnt it like 80% in bfa
again it s obvious, but haste tax gives them less vers which means less trinket damage kinda also
hazy breach
Most trinkets are hasted, so not really
Not the on-use ones but the passive ones atleast
strange chasm
I mean in DF sub rogue used to be all damage from trinkets and ring
leaden prairie
i member
vale pine
trinkets are a bit higher in impact on outlaw, ye
paper iron
outlaw had to target swap cuz bf couldnt crit, you had to get a blade rush crit
vale pine
not following
leaden prairie
so it ends up being more of your damage, while actually being less
well there is a reason we dont use stats trinkets while ohter specs do
It's not cause the on hit trinkets are more value for us
They aren't really that much better for us than anyone else
It's just that the stats trinkets are so much worse
vale pine
well outlaw still buffs trinket damage
so it has more benfits from pure output trinkets
leaden prairie
At this point it's just bte so
vale pine
also rppm or hasted rppm is rly good on it
paper iron
does trinket crits more on outlaw cause of bte?
leaden prairie
Outlaw and sub has the same amount of vers
paper iron
like havoc dh?
leaden prairie
does trinket crits more on outlaw cause of bte?
Ye
vale pine
so its not as simple as "because of stats"
its a bit unique, so i don't see it as a negative
rocky ocean
Pirate
leaden prairie
and thats st right
In AOE stats will scale even harder
While our st hit won't
rocky ocean
Sub buffs when
leaden prairie
I mean the fact outlaw doesn't benefit as much as other specs from Perma stats trinket is also pretty telling imo
We have Perma damage
Shouldn't outlaw be way better at using stat procs or Perma stats trinkets
Yet it's not
Outlaw just use worse trinkets in the end
So I wouldn't say outlaw benefit more from trinkets
It's just less
keen marten
But u are not as fugged if u don't have that specific trinket
leaden prairie
It just shows in details
leaden prairie
Idk I don't like damage proc trinkets
They scale innequaly between st and aoe
Compared to stats stuffs
So I wish you could just use stats stuffs
hazy breach
I mean thats the idea behind the "split damage but scale with target"
leaden prairie
But that's also blizzard refusing to make damage trinkets that scale in AOE tbf
hazy breach
But theyve just never made it good
leaden prairie
Ye
Also split damage is weird
You just lose all your prio
I much prefer the thing they did I think like once
Where you have your normal damage going on main target
And then it's like +15% per target say
But additional
Not splitting the initial damage you know
hazy breach
Ye idk i just want them to abandon their "gear should be weaker" thing theyve been going for this expac
Having a stupidly strong trinket is way more fun than a well balanced selection of mediocre piss we have now
Atleast imo
leaden prairie
hm
i disagree but thats cause i hate gear
i hate when im 10% dps behind just cause im unlucky and not getting my item you know
like in sl
with dagger and shit
rapid kite
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
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wild vine
i hate when im 10% dps behind just cause im unlucky and not getting my item you ...
Based
leaden prairie
Idk I don't really see what having a 10% item add to the game right
Like in the end it's just, if you have it you do your normal damage
If you don't you do 10% less
do people really get dopamine cause they see a trinket being +10% on simc
twilit phoenix
Any BDAGs in chat rn? (Big dick ass gooners)
hazy breach
Seeing number go up is fun
Like people ask tons of questions now about embellishments right
But theyre just so weak that they might aswell not exist pretty much
Its just confusion because it seems to matter, but in reality it doesnt
lilac stag
what harm would there be in across the board buffing embellishments to 3-5% of dmg?
instead of this don’t overthink it BS
It’s 1% if that
lilac stag
what?
leaden prairie
I like how weak they are rn kekw
leaden prairie
what?
Ye when you have a strong embel on a spec, but not strong on the other it's harder to use it for both
lilac stag
nothing is strong on anything. 
leaden prairie
ye thats my point ?
lilac stag
they can do they same thing just boosting their output at current tuning
Just so they don’t feel meaningless.
lilac stag
removes customization so gl with that. Pretty sure that’s deeply rooted in blizzard single dev braincell
but I’m also at the point where I log on because of the enjoyment with my guild and not my enjoyment of the game
paper iron
we re kinda all on that side of wow right now
i dont wanna push anymore, i dont have any fun with pvp
i just enjoy raid and friendos
lilac stag
5 day a week raiding? Kill me
lilac stag
Ye
paper iron
during prog, then it s 2 or 1 depending on how fast we reclear
lilac stag
right now we’re 2+1 (optional heroic on sat). Then 1-2 days for keys.
ideally one day for just blasting out 10s as quickly as possible
I think we need 4 13s
paper iron
our only rule for m+ in guilds are to cover 2 max m+ slots
so most people just do 4 m+
and raid logs
which i hate
lilac stag
Right now we’re still 3 slot
paper iron
but well, even if they dont like m+ they still really enjoy the hype of new tier so they spam m+ for like 2 or 3 weeks
then they go back to raidlog
which again, i hate
lilac stag
yea
paper iron
lilac stag
I’ll recraft stuff for assa after we clear stix. Then likely back to sub for oab
and I don’t mind that for prog
lilac stag
I like running a bit more vers for defensives. Having vision issues it does help at times.
paper iron
well
fun fact
5% vers isnt gonna save you from any one shot on oab
fire is cheat death proc
coin is killing you through cheat death
lilac stag
for other aspects of the game
indigo steppe
At least we're not evoker 
lilac stag
yeah must be awful
if they unlocked races on the class it’s be more played than Hunter.
maybe slight exaggeration.
paper iron
nah
people dont like evoker gameplay
it wasnt well received by the community. People dont like drakthyr, empowered spells, and short range
lilac stag
people don’t like xyz gameplay
paper iron
the only time evoker seen lot of play were in S1 df when it was new and banger
and when aug was just too good to be true
other than these 2 iterations
swift tinsel
idk flameshaper is blasting m+ and gaining
paper iron
evoker is less played than rogue
swift tinsel
and is actually pretty fun
lilac stag
Being a femboy dragoon is the reason. They just don’t want to say it
lilac stag
Back into panda land
swift tinsel
they at least have snapfire/feed the flames to play with between cds, plus engulf
paper iron
still
devoker is padd aoe
which is good right
but already covered
by 10 classes
and better
leaden prairie
Wish I was padding as much as evoker fr
timid pulsar
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
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fallow nimbus
So, when sub buffs? Some nice little 10% maybe? 
jaunty heath
Seems so, tuning cadence has been slow and not a lot of text
obtuse shard
just take the L this season, raid is over
kind bluff
We could use some love but I'm not holding my breath
quasi wedge
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