subtlety

[lucid jackal]

there is no pace where sin was a better spec on queen

Other than "Me check WCL, me see sin more overall, sin better"

[acoustic lodge]

even with PI?

[alpine wraith]

you just went with another class like many guilds that did not have rogue

but having sub in queen was a +

vs not having it

you also had good dmg on 1st platform

when not everyone could move things without losing casts

thx to dust

[vale pine]

^

[alpine wraith]

now we are just worse ww

or even worse mm

[whole lichen]

dust

[lucid jackal]

Sub and MM are nothing comparable what are you talking about

[alpine wraith]

it was divisive and hard to balance around

[lucid jackal]

How are they related at all

[alpine wraith]

MM has burst and also can do burst cleave

[lucid jackal]

Okay hach do u want to look at the MM damage curve

This is the same thing to you?

Bursting for 6m on 2nd cd sets vs 3.7?

[alpine wraith]

sadly that is now how it goes in raid most of the time they are also kinda swingy sadly

so they burst 7m+ but keep that one for like 30secs then maybe the other ones they only get to like 4m if unlucky

and they only do around 300k more dps than sub on average well lets say 200k

wonder how arcane does now

[young mural]

MM

[vale pine]

both hero talents

[paper iron]

did we mentionned arcane?

[alpine wraith]

arcane is very fun

[young mural]

hey fuu what tips would you give if i said i wanted to join liquid as main rogue

[vale pine]

i mean the bm/mm comparison is kinda weird

[alpine wraith]

im seeing they do blast lvls of dmg

[vale pine]

the entire argument, because its not that simple

[haughty mural]

arcane mages when they get buffed 2 times in a row:

[alpine wraith]

bm/mm is a bit weird right now from what i see

[haughty mural]

(they needed one for sure)

[vale pine]

better would be to use specs where specs work very similar and damage is a bigger contributing fator to play

[alpine wraith]

seems like mm does dmg at the right times

but also very rng

[vale pine]

else we could just compare feral to balance druids

[lucid jackal]

Oh so you are saying there is more to "what spec is most popular" and "which spec is actually the best"

[vale pine]

to make the argument

[lucid jackal]

Glad we have come to the same conclusion

[alpine wraith]

but i guess sub is more of a comparison to like arcane ww and uhdk

[vale pine]

i mean lets go down the rabbit hole then

[alpine wraith]

as for sub ever being popular it will be interesting

[vale pine]

why do people not play feral if its most of the time better

[young mural]

no please we wont be able to bring you guys back

[lucid jackal]

actual 9/11 vault

[alpine wraith]

DAMN big jastor

[vale pine]

its a similar comparison

[lucid jackal]

Not exactly because ranged vs melee is a consideration

[vale pine]

because feral has a diffrent position

[young mural]

yo kezan is so ass

[lucid jackal]

Most ppl aren't defaulting to BM because "they can be a mechanics bitch" they default to BM because BM is the casual player spec

[vale pine]

and as such you will usually play balance to fill a ranged positon which is more dynamic

[lucid jackal]

Even on mythic, there are a lot of casuals

this raid has no mechanics for a BM to do, other than coins on oab

[supple verge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

i mean is feral the better raiding spec

as you mention it

because its not clear to me

why feral would be the better between feral/balance

so my point remains

[alpine wraith]

our hunter played MM on oab

[vale pine]

i think its hard to compare if they fill very diffrent niches

[alpine wraith]

was kinda better for the important parts

[lucid jackal]

Your point doesn't remain because even in amidrasil where feral was better it was still unpopular

[alpine wraith]

yea feral was blasting but it has same problem as surv

melee stinky

[vale pine]

^

my point hold very well

[lucid jackal]

Except in amidrasil being melee was an upside

U played like 9 melee that tier

[alpine wraith]

some guilds did take feral tho because heal and balance and guardian were even more stinky

we had 2 ferals

LUL

sometimes with class buffs you just take the lesser L

[alpine wraith]

same with rogue you kinda play the one that does better for the atro

or just dont

[drifting fable]

jesus christ

[lucid jackal]

1500 ferals vs 3500 balance

[drifting fable]

what is wrong with ur vault

[alpine wraith]

he got some sloppy toppy

[young mural]

thats 3x btw

[lucid jackal]

Wait thats prepatch

Hold on

[young mural]

thats 3 times more btw

[lucid jackal]

33k balance

vs 8k feral

Feral was the better spec by far

[young mural]

wow

thats 4x almost

[alpine wraith]

look how many rets kekw

[young mural]

a bit more than 4x btw

[vale pine]

but to get back to my point

i think balance plays a central role in what is played and as such

its not that people avoid subtlety because its difficult

you had tiers subtlety was better and you saw spreads like this

[lucid jackal]

I'm unsure what your point even is

[fallow nimbus]

smolderon says hi

[vale pine]

just highlights how important tuning is

[haughty mural]

Maybe too many sub incidents in the past - they are scared

*in prog

When sub is tuned good it is really really good in prog

[lucid jackal]

It was good last tier

Theres no grand conspiracy

[haughty mural]

Not a conspiracy thinking

Just an observation

[potent relic]

trying the cooldown manager, doesn't seem to track rupture for sub :/

[coarse hound]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coarse hound]

@vale pine New dungeon build with Darkbrew? or just for sims?

[gritty knot]

Bruh ...the fk is this new patch. Every 2 minutes I am getting new info by Wowhead about bugs

Seems they fked up tons of shit

[dire jolt]

Lowkey kinda shocked the buff tracker doesn't track flagellation or symbols of death

[hazy breach]

What is it even tracking

[dire jolt]

I think for rogues it may only track subterfuge

[haughty mural]

Good feature

[dire jolt]

oh nope, Outlaw gets Adrenaline Rush and Blade Flurry

I'm guessing no one tested it on sub and said "hey, these are kinda important buff windows." 😄

[upper narwhal]

CD manager does not track several of our CDs? Dw base UI will replace addons by 2030

[vale pine]

you usually play the first dance, and with it the rotten

[dire jolt]

So, for most classes the buff tracker seems to track important stuff, it's only rogue so far that tracks the most random thing in subterfuge only.

[proven plover]

Dw they dont need to test shit for sub because they know a lot of big changes and buffs are close to being finished and Released

So they dont waste their time

It makes perfect sense

[dire jolt]

Yeah, so far only rogue feels like it's missing everything.

Like Arcane Mage gets a freaking talent buff tracked

[coarse hound]

Thought so thanks

[worn ivy]

i hate every single blizz employee

for not taking any action about subtlety

fucking losers

[haughty mural]

Huh

That’s a bit drastic

[dire jolt]

Subs fun I thought?

[lucid jackal]

It is

It's just undertuned atm

[haughty mural]

It is

[candid raven]

Idk why they even bother with features like this cd manager. At some point they just gotta admit that their UI is trash and give up.

[lucid jackal]

?

[candid raven]

Rather spend time fixing those bugs that spread out, whenever they patch something

[shy ermine]

It will get better

[dire jolt]

I think the CD manager has good parts, the buff trackers are nice, but they relied way too much on players telling them what to track

[lucid jackal]

I mean edit mode has been great

I moved off all the addons in DF

[dire jolt]

Oh I love the DF UI so much

[lucid jackal]

"Why bother the UI is just so shit"

[candid raven]

But this half baked stuff like the cd manager just makes no sense. Half of the cds I wanna track seem to be untrackable anyway, so I still need to get weakauras for it regardless

[shy ermine]

Can use weakauras until it gets better then

Better that than suggesting they give up because it’s not perfect on release

[candid raven]

It's just that the baseline will never measure up anyway, so might aswell call it quits since everything can be done with addons and weakauras. It seems like they try to fix a problem that doesn't exist rather than fixing those that do.

[lucid jackal]

Edit mode also will never measure up to addons that do the asme

That's not their point tho

[paper iron]

i swear df edit mode is a big W

bliizard have big L's but also big W's

[north schooner]

had they followed that logic we'd still have classic ui

[bleak night]

df edit mode is goated

i use one addon to let me hide bars unless i hover over them and thats it

[candid raven]

And my UI would still look the same, coz I replace everything anyway like most ppl.

[north schooner]

if everyone replaced everything they wouldn't waste resources on it

having a good baseline UI is a good feature

even if it doesn't affect everyone

[alpine wraith]

it also helps player retention for sure

we want more people playing the game

[north schooner]

accessibility features affect just a few people as well, yet it's important to have them

[candid raven]

It just feels so unsatisfying that they dedicate their resources towards features that are basically in the game in the form of addons instead of fixing existing issues.

[bleak night]

Having to rely on addons for things that should be in the base game is an existing issue

[candid raven]

But it's not fixed by implementing this feature either

[bleak night]

It’s a start

If something mitigates an issue but doesn’t 100% solve it that doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing

[candid raven]

That may be, I still think the priorities are wrong.

[bleak night]

This is just big “ i don’t use it so it’s a waste of time” energy

[candid raven]

I just don't see this as an issue.

So for me it's more of a "You are fixing a non-existant problem so it's a waste of time"

[strange chasm]

Anyone see the rep bug?

[lucid jackal]

yessir

[strange chasm]

Did they patch

[lucid jackal]

not yet it seems

[bleak night]

This is legit just you confirming what I said

[north schooner]

it's also easier for them to get feedback on it by releasing it first even if it's half-baked

[candid raven]

Sure, if you wanna believe that

[bleak night]

“It’s not a problem for me so it’s a waste of time”

But you do you

I go play oblivion

[candid raven]

Alright, does the cd manager track your cds automatically or do you still have to look it up and configure it?

Coz if it needs to run you through a tutorial anyway, might aswell rewrite the tutorial for addons.

[lucid jackal]

What are u talking about

[candid raven]

What is the cd tracker supposed to fix. Bel says it won't fix anything for me, suggesting it fixes a problem for somebody else. I'm asking what that problem is.

[north schooner]

it's supposed to provide a decent default alternative to hundreds of WAs which may or may not be written horribly

[dire jolt]

People who want something that tracks certain important buffs without having to use Addons

Yeah it's not working for rogues yet, but on some other specs it tracks very useful things

without seeing every short term buff

It's just a matter of they likely didn't get any rogue feedback, they asked what should be tracked.

The CD tracker is of more questionable utility to me.

Buffs though, a+ when they finally add more useful ones than subterfuge on rogue

[candid raven]

But why would not be using Addons a requirement? Is there a reason why ppl don't want to use them?

[dire jolt]

they're third party for a reason

[candid raven]

What reason?

[lucid jackal]

addons cause performance issues

[candid raven]

Argueably I've had more performance issues from Blizzard than from addons

[lucid jackal]

?

[candid raven]

What was the worm boss in last tier called again? With the eggs

[lucid jackal]

ovinax

[candid raven]

I had performance issues like crazy on that boss. Ppl kept telling me it was addons. I played Vanilla UI on it, the issues persisted. In the end I played with ElvUI again, coz it seemed smoother.

[lucid jackal]

okay

[candid raven]

Or the weird ressource tracking thing they introduced last patch. Something that you have to turn off with a weakaura to improve performance.

Because disabling it somehow doesn't stick.

[lucid jackal]

idk what you want me to respond with

[bleak night]

People kept telling you it was addons because for the majority of people it was addons

Nothing you are saying is disproving any point

Baseline ui should be good

Investing in baseline ui is a good thing

Will it replace weakauras? No, because it’s not designed to entirely replace them

That doesn’t mean it’s not worth doing

[candid raven]

I just don't understand their priorities.

[lucid jackal]

Their priority is to make the base UI better

[candid raven]

But why isn't their priority on testing stuff higher, so they avoid bugs or fix the ones that are in the game?

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[north schooner]

you can always apply to blizzard and improve their process

[lucid jackal]

Just fix bugs

Why didn't they think of that

[candid raven]

After all their scandals I'm amazed that anybody works there at all

[candid raven]

At least work on fixing them

[glacial orbit]

people dont quit because of them

that's all

so blizz doesn't care

[honest brook]

sorry between your discussion anyone know someone sub skilled playing sub in m+ this season youtube?

[exotic kelp]

Specifically Mythic plus

So when doing cooldowns on sub, I run into an issue, when my second sec tec is ready, to send with cold blood, the first shadow dance's remaining duration has like 1 second to go.

Is that normal?
Do I send the sectech cold blood and just reapply sdance when its good which I think lands between first and second hit
Or is it just a rotational error that needs fixing earlier on

[candid raven]

Every new patch I just see a wave of new bugs that seem obvious or happened before. Things that could've been prevented if properly tested or listened to feedback. I just get the feeling that their quality control is going down the drain and instead we get stuff like a cd manager...

[candid raven]

Do you play First Dance?

[exotic kelp]

Ye

Do i just drop it?

[candid raven]

In Raid you don't play First Dance, but in M+ it makes sense. However in M+ I just yolo everything and don't really care, so I can't tell you. Need more qualified personell for that

[exotic kelp]

Oh fwiw im talking mythic plus

mb

[lucid jackal]

its normal

Wait until next dance

[honest brook]

guys is difference if you press first SOD then SD or you press first SD then SOD in rotation?

[lucid jackal]

d0nt matter

[steep glen]

Has anyone run into an issue where multiple timers are overlayed on WAs and action bars?

[swift tinsel]

omnicd likely

or omnicc, one of those two

idr which

[wide kernel]

Cmlo as he only plays sub, casualaddict but I'm unsure of how much rogue content he's doing, and zeross but he plays all the specs

The best advice I can give you is almost 20% of your dps is locked behind your team composition

Shaman > warrior > monk > generic dps increase

[steel horizon]

this started happening to me as of today

something to do with the patch

[wide kernel]

I logged on today and all. My add-ons were broken

[steep glen]

not sure what is causing it - I disabled omni and the overlap goes away, but I haven't figured out where the new timers are coming from. I have them disabled in ElvUI and the new CD tracker is disabled as well.

[steel horizon]

https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/issues/5831

[steel horizon]

they are built in

[sterile kiln]

try disabling the default wow cooldown numbers

[steep glen]

they are also disabled

[steel sierra]

Does the TYPE of gem matter for focusing iris embellishment?

[hazy breach]

no

[steel sierra]

Thanks

[hybrid prism]

That feel when you get a hero jastor diamond in your vault and the only other hero piece you need is house of cards, so you kill oab and roll a 100 on it.

[worn ivy]

can someone check if this stats weights are accurate. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hnXwGTHRgRG3sjPNymcy5D

[jaunty umbra]

yes
fact checked by a professional stats weighter

[lilac stag]

Check what? Run top gear

[worn ivy]

what do u select on topgear

[lilac stag]

whatever gear you have.

[worn ivy]

is there any way to sim

what ive in bags all the best combination?P

[lucid jackal]

TOP GEAR

caps

[paper iron]

yea TOP GEAR

since them all 12m iterations over and over

be gentle with gems and enchants, these can overload sims really easily

[wicked urchin]

we're not doing bandit anymore

where dinars

[short radish]

no, you gotta regem and reenchant everything for that 0.1% dps gain!

[dire jolt]

oh, I totally didn't see the buff bar originally, tracking Shadow Techniques is neat.

[hybrid prism]

so with the junkmaestro's mega magnet, how often do you use it? do you wait until 30 stacks to cast it?

[sharp lake]

Not sure if anyone was like me, but after this update the personal resource display isn't showing durations for shadow dance and symbols of death. Is there any way to turn this functionality back on or am I just screwed for a little while?

[paper iron]

true, gotta regem and recraft everything to crit mastery

if you know you know

[short radish]

[dire jolt]

Plater can put it back on, but if you don't use Plater's options for it they got rid of buffs on the PRD. For many specs important buffs are tracked on the new cooldown manager tool, but sub's tracked options are a bit low.

[sharp lake]

Oof and I was so excited for the better flawless form / secret technique tracking

[dire jolt]

flawless form is on the cd manager

[sharp lake]

yeah that's what I mean it's a good change, I just really don't like tracking SD / Symbols on the new CD manager

[dire jolt]

you can hide the parts you don't want to use.

I am confused why the hell eviscerate is on the "essential cooldowns" bar for example.

[sharp lake]

and you can't remove it 🙃

[dire jolt]

yeah

it's a great first step but hmm

[sharp lake]

yeah important buff tracking on the personal resource display is just dead wow

[uncut oriole]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/cooldownmanagercustomizer Someone made an addon to allow you to remove stuff from it

[sharp lake]

that was quick lol

[dire jolt]

oh neat.

[kind bluff]

what timestap are we aiming to hit cds for the 3:55 adds on rik?

[dire jolt]

the addon is cool except for putting spell ids on every tooltip, but I get why it did it

Okay, I can work with this. Cool.

I honestly think Symbols of Death would do better as one of those orange bars, but meh

[young mural]

finally got my thug shake trinket

been waiting for this for a while

[tribal blade]

i'm seeing 2 cooldown counts on my UI now, anyone know where to turn that off

(2 numbers counting down cds overlaying each other)

[dire jolt]

Is your buff tracker behind your action bars by chance?

[tribal blade]

nah

[young mural]

Was having this issue prophet

a few auras had double progress text

i just updated elvui and it fixed it for me

because i use elvui's cooldown text on auras and they were acting weird

if you use elvui try updating

[tribal blade]

i'm not using elvui atm

must be something else

[dire jolt]

hmm, I don't have it so it has to be addon related

[young mural]

yhea nvm

im fucking stupid

[young mural]

just realised its still bugged

probably a weakaura thing

hoping for a fix

[young mural]

@tribal blade

it has already been reported

[tribal blade]

ah ok nice

[wide kernel]

What is the reasoning for not keybinding symbols/dance together?

[young mural]

cause

just because

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[young mural]

bruh can foreverguy explain i cant type

[wide kernel]

Let's say I can just use symbols without dance just fine. What are the other use cases where it's bad to use both at the same time

[young mural]

when going into 2nd shadow dance during your cooldown sequence

you generally dont want to symbols with dance

you dance without symbols

and delay the symbols a bit because secret technique is in cooldown

i explained it badly

[wide kernel]

You're basically trying to supercharge sectec

[young mural]

yhea

exactly

[wide kernel]

Isn't that a really marginal dps or is it worth it

[young mural]

worth it

sectech is your biggest/2nd biggest damage

if you start making compromises to its damage youll probably find yourself doing less than ideal dmg

and those extra CPs for sec tech are very important

[short radish]

!guy

[lucid jackal]

^ this is the entire spec

[young mural]

guy we appreciate your help

thank yo

[short radish]

holy shit i did the command and summoned him

[hybrid prism]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qm6ZTS7e6r8UoNGKd89Z9D Pug hero

[wispy bolt]

i just went assa in a 12 for shits and giggles not knowing how to play and my overall was higher 😦

[hybrid prism]

yeah but you are way less cool

[wispy bolt]

facts

it was boring

[hybrid prism]

and now everyone knows

[wispy bolt]

back to sub

[tribal blade]

YUP

[short radish]

average sub -> assi gameplay experience

run in, press bleeds on things

do infinite damage

[tribal blade]

the hardest part about playing bleed sin is planning your stealths and vanish charges properly

and i guess properly bleed spreading

[teal prawn]

Smart targeting in carnage kinda makes it easy

[tribal blade]

i meant more so knowing when to come out of stealth

it can be tricky sometimes

[graceful falcon]

what would be a good talent build for m+ 10 and below.

[pastel rampart]

where dinar

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[short radish]

whatever the build is on wowhead

[graceful falcon]

ty

[short radish]

dinner is still being cooked. sit down and be patient

[alpine wraith]

finally winners win

[tribal blade]

there's only 1 build

[alpine wraith]

there is 1 build then there is pain

[graceful falcon]

gotcha thanks, was asking for a friend

[round latch]

huge gz man

[tribal blade]

it's basically raid build but you swap out WM for TFD

[haughty mural]

And finality for rotten if you have that

[raven maple]

Does the damage from nimble furry come from the target you're hitting or does it come from you?

[lucid jackal]

You

[ashen crest]

for aoe rotation - is there an ideal count to how many ruptures we want up before we start aoe'ing? 4-6 ruptures?

[wild hornet]

Gm disbanded guild gg

[wild hornet]

Welcome to the club

[wild hornet]

While tank is gathering u keep rupturing

When he gathers I think you're free to do like 1 more

[alpine wraith]

raid build is finality

[wild hornet]

Then doing more is a waste

Instead u jump into cds

[alpine wraith]

so uh just change wm to tfd and finality to rotten

for m+

[lucid jackal]

Do it while gather, don't delay your CDs to spread ruptures

[pastel rampart]

chat

are we back

[young mural]

would you mind explaining yourself

what is that O_O

[alpine wraith]

trinket from court of stars

[young mural]

what is going on

how is dude using a trinket

from 20 expacs ago

[alpine wraith]

df had court

[short radish]

i assume timewalking shenigans

[alpine wraith]

maybe it is a char that is lvling

[pastel rampart]

legion tw

[young mural]

ah exactly

[pastel rampart]

u can just go farm a 619 one

[young mural]

true

[leaden prairie]

Yo guys

Since it's a new patch

Is sec tech back to being bugged

Just asking in case

[short radish]

????????

which bug

[upbeat nymph]

guys, i use blizzards personal display, after this att the things that appeared in the bar like symbols of death, shadow dance are no longer appearing

need help

[leaden prairie]

Easy fix is to not use blizzard personal resource display cause that thing has always sucked mega hard

And you can do the same thing with weak auras but better

[upbeat nymph]

the problem is that I've been playing like this for years haha

will be tuff

[pastel rampart]

wait for it to be bugfixed amongst 300 other things this patch

[upbeat nymph]

I don't think it will be fixed, because of the new CD manager

[alpine wraith]

sec tech still does not work well with set 4 maybe?

did any NA people check

[cloud rover]

Last vault before extending

[steep raven]

Can you modify cooldown manager in any way? (outside size and position)

[haughty mural]

[molten citrus]

Whatever you can do in edit mode

Maybe someone will make an addon to make it better 💀

[steep raven]

...

[weak magnet]

How much value are we getting by a boss not beeing able to parry thanks to Unseen Blade/Fazed from an AVG Raid? Are there any Calculations?

[steep raven]

I wasn't expecting much and got disappointed. Welp, I guess turn it off and forget

[dire jolt]

On curseforge you can find an addon called CooldownManagerCustomizer. It'll at least let you filter spells you don't want to track right now

Like I filtered away Eviscerate lol

Blizzard has promised a future patch will let you filter and rearrange by default though

[glass jasper]

Then exactly zero point to use it over WAs 😄

[kind bluff]

woot 100% parses

silly resets

[alpine wraith]

to use wa you would first need to know what a wa is

you would be surprised how many people just dont care or use addons at all

[dire jolt]

I think it's a good addition

I try to use minimal addons

cause who wants to be one of those people freaking out cause opie's broken

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's good for a lot of people.

We're in a minority.

[weak magnet]

Someone has any Info on how much gain is the "Cannot Parry" by Trickster in a raid environment?

[proven plover]

good question

[upbeat cradle]

Against the first boss of Undermine, do you use the cd on opening or do you wait for the plates to be gone ?

[frail path]

You can open with CDs, they will be back for the breakdown

[honest brook]

thanks mate

[final holly]

box options are dire this week:

• myth wrists with haste
• slight upgrade to off-hand

[wide kernel]

is jastor diamond a dps loss for sub? its simming at -17,000 compared to circes circlet

[fallow nimbus]

You use both

[wide kernel]

its simming 8k worse than my myth track ring that's 675

[fallow nimbus]

It's mythic jastor + another 678 ring that beats circle

[alpine wraith]

jastor is a raid dps increase

more than a personal one

[wide kernel]

its like 800 mastery

sub is already at the point with most builds where mastery < vers/crit

[alpine wraith]

not really

i have 25k mastery

and it is still fine

as long as you have circe and the right gems

[wide kernel]

22,664 according to stat weights vers/crit is simming better

[alpine wraith]

ignore stat weights

[fallow nimbus]

22202 mastery here

[wide kernel]

i have the wowheads gems

[alpine wraith]

just do top gears

usually you will still want mastery gear anyway

[wide kernel]

i did, and jastor simmed worse

is this with the ritual brand ring only that it sims better or something?

[alpine wraith]

ye but the raid or party dps increase is worth

trust

[wide kernel]

this would be for m+

[alpine wraith]

you dont really take circe off for m+

mastery too good

[fallow nimbus]

You can spend hours simming gems, enchants and such. With every sim I got a different result. Then i just said fuck it and went for 20% crit (25% with pacemaker proc) and rest mast/vers for the agi gem

Got 3 colors for the agi gem, 20% crit and a lot of mastery/vers

I wish we could sim 3 colors in topgear instead of mandatory 4

[alpine wraith]

you can do it on advanced

just make gearsets

it is a bit of a pita tho

wish simpermut still worked

maybe someone one day will remake it

[fallow nimbus]

I just wing it. My other method is simming just without the 4 colors, taking the top sim and replacing 2 gems

Then a full color topgear sim, then quick sims with both sets, taking the median and they are the same

Was a joke btw

[haughty mural]

Don’t forget you green gem

[alpine wraith]

gems are less impactful now that we have way more total stats

they are like 0.1 to 0.2 now

0.15 crit dmg kinda sameish

[haughty mural]

I know

Just memeing

[limpid sage]

you guys also have 2 countdowns on your weakauras with the new patch?

[tidal marsh]

Yep

Had to disable OmniCC cooldown text for now

[limpid sage]

ye that helped, ty!

[fallow nimbus]

It's so wierd that we got different gem rarities in past expansion and now just 1 for the whole expac

Blue gems then epic gems

[alpine wraith]

it would take time to make extra gems

cant have that wastage of big money

[hazy breach]

They clearly wanted enchants/embellishments/gems to have a smaller impact for this expansion

[candid raven]

Is there a specific window when to send the stix magnet trinket like there is on Assa or just send it whenever?

[void ocean]

well we dont have the bug so, id say whenever

[hazy breach]

We do, we just dont spec deathstalker

But no you just send it whenever

[candid raven]

Alright

[warm goblet]

how much time do you have to wait for 2nd sectech to hit adds on richard reverberation?

how much time before sending cds*

[short radish]

look at lorrgs

[warm goblet]

oh yeah that's right I forgot about this website

ty

[short radish]

np

[stiff stirrup]

anyone else miss DF s2 set where dance gives symbols

actually didnt feel energy starved

[honest brook]

4 weeks hc bandit didnt drop single HOC gg

[keen dome]

I don't know why but this tier is vastly more stressful and tiring to pug lead than Nerubar was. I dunno what it is about it.

[ember gate]

I know it's early, but have we crunched any numbers around the new Corruption head slots or just gonna go with what was good on BFA?

[alpine wraith]

void ritual is kinda the best

others got buffed but not enough

they were trolling kinda

[ember gate]

Tentacle one?

Or am I tripping?

[alpine wraith]

it is called void ritual

[plush roost]

Boring stats wins again

[alpine wraith]

that happens when they tune dmg but forget some 0s

unreal

[plush roost]

Dw it doesn't matter

[short radish]

[plush roost]

They'll see data results on live and hotfix buff them on friday after release

[proven plover]

Flag when first amp comes down approx

[short radish]

i saw that!

[proven plover]

U can evasion it

Ye sry wrong tag

xd

[alpine wraith]

they already buffed them 189%

and they still suck balls

and nerfed ritual too

[final holly]

Not only is my best vault option an off hand, but according to droptimiser my best craft this week is my offhand.
What a weird week

[wild hornet]

this seasons vault is treating me well

[short radish]

happens to the best of us

[alpine wraith]

best craft on offhand

that is rough

[hazy breach]

theyll likely tune them again in the 5 weeks or whatever until theyre available

[real panther]

why do people take the first dance instead of weapon master in m+? i'm never out of combat more than 2sec in most keys, am i missing something?

[lilac stag]

WM is absolutely useless

you are likely out of combat before bosses

and you can sit back while tank gathers

You’re choosing to not be out of combat

and TFD is extremely good when you learn to play with it and its bugs

[real panther]

ok ok

i'll try

[hazy breach]

For a pure ST fight the fight needs to be around 4-5 minutes for wm to start being better than tfd (ie +4 extra seconds in the opener), and since WM does practically nothing on aoe (the extra procs does not cleave with nimble) it takes roughly a 16 minute sim for WM to start catching up to tfd

And like scath says, you are out of combat enough to proc it a handful of times each dungeon, even if you chain as much as possible theres almost always downtime after bosses or during RP

[worn ivy]

Any new noticible tirnket for is ?

[final holly]

OH is 0.5% and cloak is 0.4% so I guess I take vault OH and craft cloak just to save my sanity

not to mention my wallet; blacksmithing crafts are expensive

[worn ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ikg34a4m7hQ4t9nFH6d5Rq final form maybe need to tweek some gems

Into crit versa

[real panther]

we aint playing same keys xD. I just be with a dh tank as he was linking everything when they reach 2% health I asked him gently to stop doing that he said, i quote: "you are not assa" end of quote

kekw

[hazy breach]

?

[alpine wraith]

use vanish for tfd it is worth

[hazy breach]

Did you just respond without reading

[crystal bone]

u still want your CB sectec to happen in 2nd dance right?

with TFD talented

dungeon slice must not sim TFD properly, it shows its nearly even with WM

[hazy breach]

Ye it doesnt get any TFD resets

Its only the initial +4s

[crystal bone]

ahh

how much of a gain do u think TFD is if u were to ballpark it?

[hazy breach]

It should be getting ~6 more tfd procs on average

[hazy breach]

TFD is a good talent

WM is a complete dogshit talent

[crystal bone]

ive been using WM this whole time fml

[vale pine]

the reason we go tfd is that competing talents are weak

[crystal bone]

every boss in raid is WM though right?

even if the fight is 2 min

[hazy breach]

No

if the fight is short tfd

[vale pine]

in heroic can use tfd

[hazy breach]

Doesnt matter that much though

[crystal bone]

ye ok

[vale pine]

mythic idk if you get the kill timer down significant enough

[crystal bone]

if only u could vanish and wait 6s for every flag window

[vale pine]

haha

[hazy breach]

It should just proc on restealth instead of the janky 6s

[crystal bone]

damn

vanish would be massive cd then

[hazy breach]

Still weaker than the other specs

But mostly the timer is just completely bugged and feels awful

You leave combat, enter stealth

Timer starts 5 seconds later

[alpine wraith]

then you enter combat

and it resets again to 6 secs

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[crystal bone]

this is correct right?

[hazy breach]

Sim prefers to use it when its ready

[slate marlin]

Timer about to pop but your tank pulls boss and timer resets 😦

[hazy breach]

But if youre not fast with the second dancing you could sometimes end up with the sectechs outside dance, which would be really bad

[crystal bone]

hmmm ok

[frail swift]

is sub in the bin?

[bleak wind]

so is the removal of the buffs on the personal resource display a feature or a bug

[molten citrus]

i'm surprised to see so many were using the resource display ngl

[bleak wind]

Im surprised with every patch they do they manage to break the game in so many ways

like at this point you would think they have tests that would detect it

[lilac stag]

jr devs not understanding old spaghetti code or having the time to test it. DOGE developing wow these days.

[keen dome]

Nah in that case it wouldn't even boot

[molten citrus]

even the devs thought the display was a dead setting 💀

[lilac stag]

I mean. It didn’t on launch

NA got that part sorted

Here’s 3x of the same cloak in your vault.

[slate marlin]

Well, that solved people posting their screenshots instead of simming

Cant doubt when theres no choice

[bleak wind]

I am not a fan of the weakaura abilities that most people use, I've been using the personal resource display for a long time (with some extra weakauras that I find useful)

but they've bricked it now and I can't tell if its intended or not

[keen dome]

I actually remade the personal resource display and put my WA's around it haha

I love it as an anchor point

[bleak wind]

same

[keen dome]

Very comfy

[bleak wind]

oh mine is a bit different but ye, I have some bleed tracking WA and stuff like that to the side of it

[keen dome]

Nice

I love how it scales on zoom, but remains static. And also fades out when you drop combat

The PRD is honestly a great element of wow that if they let you customize fully, would be very strong

[bleak wind]

yea, I just hope its a bug as a result of the cooldown manager and it gets fixed soon

[paper iron]

give funnel back to sub now

[bleak wind]

otherwise gonna have to start anchoring WAs to it

[paper iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315079745098350592/1364599650509783041/image.png?ex=680a41f5&is=6808f075&hm=57612622eb5677a1222ad4de987c86de9241c3538b4c317d9bd0ba157d95440c&

i wanna do that but as sub now

[sly shore]

https://github.com/AcidWeb/Clean-Icons-Mechagnome-Edition

please

[lilac stag]

12.0

[bitter cliff]

anybody know how the new trinkets from the event are for sub?

[keen dome]

[sly shore]

is there a 1.5m on use with perfect stats

[keen dome]

wait can I get worse icons, not better

[sly shore]

that is better than house of cards

[lilac stag]

Can you not use pixelated icons?

[keen dome]

MORE pixels?

Sure I can add more pixels to it

[limpid sage]

that's actually very good

[swift tinsel]

this is actually super tidy, I dig it

[keen dome]

I will eventually get around to streamlining it to get ri dof some needless info bloat like the side stuff. I also need to make the defensives display duration more cleanly but ye i like it a lot

[vale pine]

if anyone has issues with their camera in the patch

dissable opie

i just troubleshooted a hour with my gf to find out it was indeed a addon causing the problems

she was afraid her mouse did break

[paper iron]

i never had so much buggrabber line than this patch

x)

[vale pine]

i had no issues so far

but i have a very low amount of addons

[paper iron]

it s mostly non impactful errors

[uncut oriole]

Having to disable opie hurts my soul . One keybind for my mounts is so nice

[paper iron]

the disable profiling weakaura disabled fixed most of it

but why did they do that to us

[latent finch]

What do you mean dont you enjoy the 10s + freezes randomly in boss fights and keys? Couldn`t live without it anymore

[vale pine]

lol

[swift tinsel]

our warlock dc'd out of almost every fight last night, was lovely

wasn't the only one getting booted randomly too

[unreal dock]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

My assumption this is how they’re going to whitelist addons at some point.

[lucid jackal]

Doesn't the profiling thing exist so that the Devs can optimize the game

Or am I misunderstanding it's purpose

[sly shore]

no it's so addon developers can optimise their addons

by reducing cpu usage

or so blizzard can push blame to addon developers

both probably correct

[slate marlin]

As long as it eats my fps, i just want to be able to disable it

[sly shore]

it very likely doesn't

and if it does you're on a cpu from 2012

[molten citrus]

it messes with different people's set ups differently

[paper iron]

yes it is, but profiling always been eating lot of ressources. That s why when we used profiling addons it was highly recommanded to turn them off after testing

[molten citrus]

but even on a 9800x3d it can drop your frames a bit

[sly shore]

reading the data is what takes the resources

and presenting it

in a readable format

rather than it being on

I have zero fps difference on or off

[slate marlin]

Ive had 0 disconnects or performance issues since disabling it

i got a low end pc tho

[sly shore]

if ur pc is that bad

probably a bad idea to blame blizzard when you're struggling already

if that minor performance hit is problematic for you

[slate marlin]

No, not rly

if i have around 50 fps in m+

and aroynd 30-40 on raid which im used to

[sly shore]

that's insanely terrible in m+ especially

[slate marlin]

With profiling on i get way more spikes and whitescreen issues

have had 0 since disabling it

[hazy breach]

Addons really take up way too much nowadays, so blizzard ends up getting shit for stuff lagging, when its usually plater/liquidpack/dbm thats causing the lags

Like the difference between playing with baseline UI and what most people use on something like ovinax was insane

[sly shore]

and there is so many different setups it's very difficult to accurately diagnose as well

[tulip gorge]

next season I will be moving to an UI with less addons for sure

[sly shore]

but 100% if your PC is THAT bad then kinda need to look at that rather than blame the game

[lilac stag]

At the current design those are basically required for mythic raiding.

[hazy breach]

Well no 1/100 of the auras in the liquidpack is required

Then its just filled with absolute junk

Thats a pain to clean out because if you ever have to update it will all be back

[lilac stag]

The game is 20 years old and full of old ass code trying to do things the engine was never meant for.

[sly shore]

pack doesn't change load conditions so can set to load never ez clap

if u use auraupdater ofc

[slate marlin]

Yes, my pc is bad, thats why i dont get mad it doesnt run at 300 fps. But if i had no problems before, rhen had them when they put profiling, then had 0 problems when disabling it

[sly shore]

because your pc is so shit

[hazy breach]

Well even having then not loaded still makes a difference compared to not having them

[sly shore]

profiling pushed it to suicide

[slate marlin]

then you can bet i am going to blame profiling

[lilac stag]

remember how no one wanted touch the AH rework because of how much shit fucked with that had nothing to do with the AH?

[sly shore]

was broken for like 2 weeks start of xpac

😏

[lilac stag]

it was ignore for expansions

[paper iron]

yea people dont realise how heavy can get plater

[lilac stag]

Becuse of it

[paper iron]

i blame that on people not blizzard

[lilac stag]

who do you blame without plater?

[sly shore]

people will always blame an external source either way

there is no winning

[lilac stag]

let’s not be white knighting blizzards code. stealth is amazing. Sectech is amazing.

[ember gate]

The ammount of times I vanish and it doesn't let me Shadow Strike..

[sly shore]

stealth bar poggers

[lilac stag]

It could be that, and I know this is shocking, both can be causing issues.

[leaden prairie]

takes too much cause blizz refuse to do anything cuase addons handles it anyway

Easy to blame plater when in game plates are litteraly unusable

• if it was any other game it wouldn't be as laggy it's just wow being shit

[hazy breach]

Well im blaming them for making the things plater are using laggy

[sly shore]

a good example is skyrim mods and load order etc

apply how fucked that is

to addons in wow

and you begin to see just why shit lags

[paper iron]

cant be worse than playing giga modded minecraft

taking up 80go ram

[leaden prairie]

Ye

[hazy breach]

Atleast the new cooldown stuff is fine

Doesnt have everything and some questionmarks, but its way better than nothing before

Id imagine the addon profiling thing is for blizzard to get data on whats causing people to lag

Its obviously useful for addon devs too, but there was already plenty of options to profile your addons if you knew hpw to

[paper iron]

they just mining cryptos on our pc fr fr fr

[hazy breach]

[leaden prairie]

the fact you cant have it grow centered horizontal

and you cant add/remove spells from it

is criminal

[hazy breach]

Ye

[leaden prairie]

idk how they thought releasing it in this state was valid

[hazy breach]

Theres an addon that lets you easily do those things

[leaden prairie]

ye of course

takes 5 min to code

[keen dome]

This si the thing that confuses me

It's such a good idea. But it's missing a lot of the modularity it needs.

[leaden prairie]

Which is also like

I simple? It baffles me it's not in

[old venture]

The entirety of the base UI has been criminal for a long time

[leaden prairie]

It's like they didn't finish it on purpose or smth

[keen dome]

Maybe it was one guys pet project and he didn't have time to finish it

[old venture]

You can tell they’re perfectly fine with addons fixing their lazy design

[keen dome]

I do think the UI overhal in DF was really good as a starting point

It's just.. do more?? more??? please?

[sly shore]

I'd hope after midnight is done

they take a good hard look at this shit

cos it's a mounting issue

that people are by 9800x3d just to run a 20yr old game

[keen dome]

The new player experience, the UI / UX. The bloat of information that isn't easily accessible or trackible in-game.

And yeah, the continual technical issues and FPS drops and shit

Fucking 30-man raid groups on high settings

impossible

[sly shore]

wow's performance is very very much a sinking ship atm due to age

[keen dome]

"Good news we've added DLSS"

[leaden prairie]

how is it acceptable that within 1 h of launch, 2 guys already made addons to add the posibility to add/remove auras to track via their cooldown manager thing

and the devs that are making the game couldnt do that ?

when it was like the most asked thing during ptr cycle

[keen dome]

It's weird and I dunno, I wish they'd talk about it?

[leaden prairie]

when they asked for feedback

so confusing ot me

how is a random in his room doing a better job thna you on your own game

[keen dome]

Less management constraints, resource priority, code reviews and whatever else middle management bullshit exists.

[serene notch]

its a gift and a curse, exposing the UI for external mods for a game like this is such an artifact of the era it was launched. I bet if blizzard made wow 2 they would lock it down like a more modern game.

[leaden prairie]

more work for them tho

[serene notch]

its too intertwined now i dont think they have a choice, other then to do what they are which is slowly pay down this technical debt by adding features like CD tracker , or the patch that let us move around ui components

[paper iron]

better gaming chair for better dev skills

just saying just saying

[lilac stag]

Dev in moms basement likely making more $$$ than dev working on auras at Bliz

[void hound]

taking one out of the bethesda play book

[void hound]

unpaid rando does it better than 150k/year software engineer
many such cases

[ornate lake]

If game Dev's were being paid 150K, the modern games wouldn't be full of shit in first place

[waxen spire]

unpaid randos dont have to make things idiot proof or work on a deadline

if weakauras break the response is "figure it out yourself"

if the cooldown manager breaks, they have to install nets on their building for the support staff working on the top floors

[leaden prairie]

That's funny cause

Wow break every patch

Even without changes

I have a recent example actually

Not even 24 h ago

Not sure if you missed it

[waxen spire]

yeah

[void hound]

bosses mechanics and all sorts of things break all the time
and the response is also "figure it out yourself"

so

yeah

[waxen spire]

wow is a 20 year old game with god knows how much technical debt around doing anything in it

and one that has to release tons of content on a constant schedule

the game is kind of a victim of it's own release cycle like most live service games end up being

[tulip gorge]

idk man with how dogshit this patch is, they should have just postponed it

[lilac stag]

NA is legit beta testing every patch they launch.

[leaden prairie]

I'm glad na exist

Now I can just come home from work and open my vault

Nothing bad can happen because na tested it for me, thank you!

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-ted-blow-kiss-flying-kiss-kiss-gif-16986612524209157819

[north schooner]

they also get to abuse broken things, so it's fairly balanced

[graceful crown]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[graceful crown]

the dungeon trinks link is busted on the sheet

rip

[lilac stag]

Bloomallet

[quaint lodge]

fuk i

u

[vale pine]

oh, ill re-run sims tomorrow

[lilac stag]

You want HoC or PvP badge + whatever.

Energy Drink likely bis

Unless you’re getting mythic from vault

or just run droptimizer for yourself

https://tenor.com/view/possibilities-endless-possibilities-sponge-bob-rainbow-gif-12940820

[timid pulsar]

is the new cooldown manager not tracking rupture for anyone else or just me?

[cunning turret]

hi guys, i have sims recommending all gems be the same, and not factoring in the unique gem colour bonus. Is this something that can happen? it just seems a little odd to me.

seems to be dropping mastery for vers+crit gems too, so i'm not sure why it wouldn't want the extra crit damage on top of that

[hazy breach]

Just go for mastery+vers gems and dont think about it

Theres practically no difference between gems anyway

[dry cave]

fool, don't you care about 0.05% dps gain?

[light quest]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[west tide]

ensure u have the proper box checked for forcing the raidbots sim to use 4+ different gems

[wide kernel]

interesting, i log on and the bottom half inch of my screen is now cut off for some reason

[swift tinsel]

viewport addon time

[tranquil egret]

when do i use mega magnet ?

[gusty bison]

Hello guys, i use to see my cds( snd sd sod) when i press it on my energybar in the middle of the screen, but since today, i cannot see it, any idea? ty

[hazy breach]

Whenever

[tranquil egret]

so every 20 sec

[hazy breach]

As long as you dont put your hoc on cd before blades

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wide kernel]

am i correct in understanding that symbols provides 2 supercharged points and finishers will only consume 1 supercharged point?

[swift tinsel]

correct

so you get two supercharged finishers per cast of symbols

[wide kernel]

so as long as sectec is within 2 finishers it doesn't matter, thats what the 9 second rule is about?

[swift tinsel]

outside of your first dance in flag, it doesn't matter if its first or second. you'll see people cast sod/dance when sectech has 10sec left on cd bc your evisc/coup will pull the cd of sectech and make it useable for 2nd supercharged cp

unless you have coup outside that first flag dance, then you always wanna coup first then sectech

[wicked jolt]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[thick temple]

Just got hoc finally and hanging up the transmitter. Is it not flag>evis>vanish>rupture>SD sod>hoc>sectec?

[hazy breach]

What

[thick temple]

Before id proc transmitter after flag to buy time for minigame

[hazy breach]

That has nothing to do with magnet

[thick temple]

Oh is magnet in context I misunderstood

[autumn glade]

you just don't want to put hoc on 20s cooldown when you're about to go into blades window

can use magnet whenever outside of that

[proven plover]

did you guys know that on sprocketmonger you can jump during knockback to cancel it?

weird shit

https://www.twitch.tv/liftor/clip/ManlyFastChickenNononoCat-WqkoVJQuV-X9IhH8 look at the end of the knockback, shortly before I reach the intended landing place I press jump twice

[swift tinsel]

it looks like you get knocked up or bounce off of something

[proven plover]

no it does work

I tried it a couple more times

if you double press jump during knockback you will jump in the air

like youre a DH

and cancel the knockback

let me find another clip

[latent finch]

Pretty sure you got knocked over the hole in the ground in a wierd way and got the knock up from it if you have a log you could probably look if you got dmg from that but it looks like you did

[proven plover]

our priest used it to cancel the knockback instead of taking the gate

after we discovered it

it legit works

I dont have a clip that definitely shows it, let me record it in lfr xd

[proven plover]

ok I'm not 100% sure how to do it consistently, maybe you guys are right

at least its not consistent

[swift tinsel]

Seems too simplistic a cheese to not be very widespread by now if it worked

[heady ore]

!plater

oops what's the command for the wa and plater again ?

[keen dome]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[heady ore]

Thank you

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[shadow lance]

I enjoyed the musci drop on the bump

10/10

[silent ruin]

Does the no parry advantage extend to the entire raid or just to the individual trickster rogue

[vale pine]

entire raid

even tho probably not intentional

[silent ruin]

Ok thanks

[supple verge]

why did my cast bar disappear

[swift tinsel]

You know what you did

[supple verge]

its legit gone

[swift tinsel]

Blizz cast bar or diff

[supple verge]

both lol

[swift tinsel]

And do you use plater

Bc it can turn off blizz cast bar

Or is it turned off in Edit Mode

Couple places to check

[supple verge]

yea its on in edit mode

i updated guys WA and it was missing, unsure if the two are related

i dont see anything in the diff

i jsut pulled an old cast bar out of another weakaura lol 🤷‍♂️

[swift tinsel]

Load conditions?

[supple verge]

actually it looks like he removed the cast bar from the package

[swift tinsel]

Idk there’s like a dozen different things that could affect it

[supple verge]

ya

[swift tinsel]

That would do it lol

[supple verge]

its one of thoser things where half the time i ask after a new patch and its like

"yea known issue"

the other half the time its my problem

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I’m waiting a few days before digging for fixes for ones I’m having issues with

[supple verge]

smart

[swift tinsel]

Like Opie bricking the camera

[supple verge]

the Opie thing for example

theres a new version out now

its fixed

[swift tinsel]

Ah nice

[cobalt vector]

How much after the intial his are the clones again? Was is like .8s and 1,8 or smth like that

[alpine wraith]

1 and 1.2

[cobalt vector]

ty

[tranquil garden]

is 1st boss rookery still cooked

and if so what's the best way to do it

because I'm fucking lost

[fallow nimbus]

The joke is old now. Where sub buffs?

[tranquil garden]

I guess, start flagellation as the swirlies on the ground come out? then hope you can get through as much as you can before it jumps in the air again for the unavoidable swirlies?

[patent crystal]

just try to time your cds when the boss is not in middle

[amber crow]

im definitely improving. the others were 25 ilvls higher than me this was a priory 10

this is 800k overall more than my previous highest

641 ilvl

[tranquil garden]

yeah, guess I just am a little unsure because of how the boss occasionally jumps for a couple seconds while on the ground

[paper iron]

get supercharger before pulling the boss, aka press symbol before engaging. And then go flag full cd > sectech

skip the rupture

u ll get your 2 sectechs off before the 1st phasing

[tranquil garden]

nice ty

[paper iron]

the reason to supercharge before pulling is because you ll need every single cdr you could have

and then, never send sectech as he s phasing

[tranquil garden]

flag -> evis, or flag -> sectech?

[paper iron]

flag > dance sectech blade > ss > evis > symbol

[tranquil garden]

got it ty

so you'll need 3 symbol charges for this right?

[paper iron]

ayee

[tranquil garden]

ty

[paper iron]

that s the way i found was the most consistent and we talked about it here few days ago

[tranquil garden]

what a stupid bug. thank you.

[paper iron]

yea it s shit

as arcane sometimes my orb doesnt hit the boss

so no arcane charge, very fun

[sharp lake]

Taking off my symbols + dance macro training wheels and it sucks 😔

[short radish]

you can do it!

[sharp lake]

related, the castsequence symbols of death macro to prevent me spamming doesn’t seem to be preventing me from spamming?

ah i fixed it

[short radish]

glad we could help

[paper iron]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[paper iron]

@native crag

Last one 👀

[native crag]

ty!

[languid mortar]

whats the cd on shadowblades when we want to hold dance for the cd window?

[warm depot]

~30

!rotation

!guy

whats the frickin command again

[languid mortar]

lmao

ty

because you dont want to drop dance at all during cds right?

so the 2nd charge needs to be ready right after the first one ends

is how i understand it at least

[warm depot]

ideally

[lucid jackal]

[warm depot]

dude i knew i remember seeing it a few days ago but i couldnt remember the command

but yeah @languid mortar look at that, thats about alll you need to know about the spec lmfao

[languid mortar]

Is there a reason we dont eviscerate before dance anymore? i swear i remember seeing that in the opener early in the patch

[warm depot]

i also asked this a week ago LMFAo

tldr, get cd's rolling sooner

you evis early enough anyways

[languid mortar]

ye, makes sense

[warm depot]

with lust + skyfury you should have enough points saved that its about the same

[languid mortar]

i was progging sprocket when i sent that first message and i tried it out some, when i realized that we dont do that anymore

feels weird

but better

[warm depot]

it felt weird for like 1 pull

but having vanish for later is nice