You bet that one ain't ever getting fixed tho
#subtlety
leaden prairie
Along all the others
They were quite eager to fix double coup tho
Took like half a week
Priorities
swift tinsel
sectech clones might not work still
paper iron
remember
hollow spear
that depends on the level of not working I guess
swift tinsel
they just know we'd be too strong if our whole kit worked
paper iron
that s in reality one of the issue
leaden prairie
Ok common now
Outlaw has an army of bugs and is like the worse rogue spec in m+, sub is bottoming raid
I'm sure they can afford bug fixes that aren't just fixing positive bug fixes
old venture
Outlaw has an army of bugs and is like the worse rogue spec in m+, sub is bottom...
you don't get it, they had to buff mage first
old venture
you can't fix other specs when the hero class isn't outperforming everyone by 10%
keen dome
Buff me š¦
old venture
oh so you're used to it
think about it this way
it only took them the entirety of bfa to bandaid fix sub rogue with black powder
keen dome
At this rate, we'll be pretty good in 2031.
old venture
it took them 5 expacs to fix the delay on the stealth bar for sub rogue and dance
lmao
keen dome
lmao
old venture
yeah but it's like 0.2s instead of .8s
keen dome
An improvement!
old venture
that's an improvement!
leaden prairie
Improvements nice
keen dome
Someoen who is good at math figure out how much of a % improvement that is
leaden prairie
60% or smth or
old venture
I wanted to say 60% but I'm scared of being wrong
and bullied for being stupid
š¦
keen dome
that's my secret: i'm always stupid
old venture
same
keen dome
I still want a posion toggle.
vale pine
200% imprvomeent
old venture
see
only took 5 expacs
but we got a 200% improvement
granted they had to rehaul literally the entire UI to make it happen 
keen dome
I wish they'd make Blind work on the orbs properly
old venture
that's just a feature at this point
took them like 5 months to fix indiscriminate carnage not bricking in situations like that
keen dome
I would absolutely accept "we can't make it work without redesigning the entire spell interaction" as a valid excuse tbh
rocky ocean
hi, the fuck is sim doing here?
lilac stag
I wish they'd make Blind work on the orbs properly
The key is to run 12s
keen dome
that's true
lilac stag
when America returns to sanity
lilac stag
maybe we just nuke ourselves
old venture
remember in SL
haughty mural
maybe we just nuke ourselves
Then youāre not writing in here anymore 
leaden prairie
I would absolutely accept "we can't make it work without redesigning the entire ...
2 of outlaw most impactful bugs are them not calling the correct spell that are already in spell data
leaden prairie
Just as a funny fun fact
keen dome
2 of outlaw most impactful bugs are them not calling the correct spell that are ...
that's depressing
I wonder how it happened?
leaden prairie
Ye isn't it
lilac stag
Hey but killing spree is 15 seconds. Itās all good.
leaden prairie
I wonder how it happened?
keen dome
That's the kind of thing i'd love them to talk about and discuss 'cos it could be as simple as a typo, or as complex as something just not working at all.
leaden prairie
When you know you could fix these bugs in 5 sec but it won't ever happen unlucko
keen dome
Well, to be fair, it might be more complex. Spaghetti, after all.
lilac stag
people still thinking we have devs working on rogue is sooooo cute
keen dome
It's why I'm always fascinated when developers talk about problem solving
lilac stag
leaden prairie
Well, to be fair, it might be more complex. Spaghetti, after all.
Ye for sure
I totally believe that
keen dome
Every now and then I go and look at all the different variations of 'stealth' in the game.
And I wonder: lmao why
lilac stag
Look how much the AH rework broke (and was avoided for years)
keen dome
lmao, god, yeah
Also why they reworked it initially.
With it effectively DDOSing the server at one point
tidal python
game is 20 years old with new shit built on top of old shit
haughty mural
Rogue abilities coded in the AH
tidal python
it's 100% spaghetti code
lilac stag
I get the game is old, but if stealth is a main mechanic of an entire class fucking spend the time to fix it instead of praying it just works itself out.
keen dome
Well if I was a developer I too would prioritse the thing used by the majority of the user base that has practical usages
Unlike rogue
lilac stag
your classes should be a priority. Everyone uses them.
wraith sphinx
game is 20 years old with new shit built on top of old shit
technically older if you consider that it's built on wc3's engine, it was not designed to live this long
tidal python
yeah
gritty gorge
Is there a way to skip bubbles in Floodgate without a nelf, but with a rogue?
tidal python
keen dome
technically older if you consider that it's built on wc3's engine, it was not de...
Isn't that factually wrong? WoW was never built on WC3's engine, iirc. But I might be completely wrong on that
tidal python
sub is probably the least popular spec in the entire game tbh
leaden prairie
Is there a way to skip bubbles in Floodgate without a nelf, but with a rogue?
nelf is just a vanish why couldnt you just do the same thing
wraith sphinx
Isn't that factually wrong? WoW was never built on WC3's engine, iirc. But I mig...
tbf it could be wrong but it feels like it at times
keen dome
Yeah, absolutely. I don't disagree with the sentiment but WoW is firmly a ship of thesus at this point
wraith sphinx
for sure
haughty mural
What a nice sentence
keen dome
Looking it up: very very very early alpha builds used WC3's engine, then they swapped to something using elements of it's renderer or something? and built something bespoke for it.
So it's probably true that it shares DNA from WC3's engine, but it's always been it's own thing.
Although Classic WoW's engine and WoW in 2025 are probably completely different
old venture
people still thinking we have devs working on rogue is sooooo cute
people thinking blizzard wasn't moved to maintenance mode the minute the microsoft deal went through
is hilarious
keen dome
They weren't, though. There's a new project at Blizz for an entirely new game.
old venture
world of warcraft 2 where the game doesn't suck?
keen dome
Who knows
old venture
and pvp is a completely separate mode like plunderstorm where pvpers aren't forced to deal with shitty balance due to pve and vice versa?
keen dome
Now that'd own
haughty mural
They could make so much more money, if they just would add manpower to this game
Itās crazy
keen dome
WoW 2 is never happening, imo. MMO's are effectively a dead genre at this point outside the long-term successful giants.
old venture
there's so many changes they could do that would literally print money
keen dome
agreed
old venture
if they separated arena into its own game mode
wraith sphinx
and pvp is a completely separate mode like plunderstorm where pvpers aren't forc...
dont tease my sack like this
old venture
and pvpers weren't forced to do pve shit to play the fucking game
oh wanna try a new class? level it to max and grind out shitty honor gear while getting farmed in solo shuffle!
but what do I know
I'm just an internet janitor
keen dome
a lot of good things clearly, because I agree wholeheartedly
haughty mural
My favorite janitor
old venture
keen dome
Let people play the game they want to play
haughty mural
old venture
plus like they could actually balance pvp and pve separately
keen dome
not the game that they have been arbitarily told they need to play to get to their game
stoic spire
oh wanna try a new class? level it to max and grind out shitty honor gear while ...
thing is- they already came up with idea of tokens for almost bis pvp gear for doing solo pve content but it is timegated for some reason š
old venture
because they love to timegate everything
keen dome
Yeah I dunno why bloody token gear has such a low gating
old venture
they roll out good systems and then cripple them for no reason
keen dome
but atm you can get so much of it in a few hours and be full 675 in pvp
Plus 2500 conq for free conq weapons is really good design
tidal python
not the game that they have been arbitarily told they need to play to get to the...
While not wrong, I think you can kinda make the same argument about PVE too. M+ and raiding are also different games that do not necessarily interact that much with the open-world MMO aspects of WoW.
keen dome
they roll out good systems and then cripple them for no reason
island expeditions...
old venture
I kinda liked expeditions
warfronts were supposed to be cool too
and then they just kinda abandoned them lmao
keen dome
While not wrong, I think you can kinda make the same argument about PVE too. M+ ...
Yeah, I don't disagree. I firmly believe you can have them interact. But at the same time, someone who just wants to run M+ shouldn't feel forced to engage with raiding for a BIs trinket (Dinars do a lot to fix this, tbh)
It's a complex argument because you, from a design perspecitve, do want cross-polination of game modes. You want your players to interact with it all.
The issue is that the balance between doing so by choice and doing so because you need to do it, is quite a fine line
old venture
I agree, but it seems silly to force pvpers to do pve when a big chunk absolutely loath doing pve content
keen dome
Yeah, absolutely.
old venture
and then having to try to balance pvp w/ pve is a recipe for disaster
keen dome
There's no real reason that pvp can't be it's own distinct pillar sandboxed from other modes. Warmode can exist, and be the old relic. But all actual pvp hapepns in instanced content.
old venture
because the game modes play differently
tidal python
I had a lot of fun playing PVP during Wrath when the meta was to have insanely overpowered PVE gear with armour penetration, it didn't really make a lot of sense from a game balance perspective, but it was very fun
keen dome
Have you seen how 14 does their pvp, Oxi?
old venture
I haven't paid much attention to ff14 tbh
keen dome
In PvP, every class has completely different abilities that are very thematic to them, and share similarities to pve, but are their own thing.
It lets them do really thematic gameplay for the class, be entirely balanced for that mode of gameplay (and only that mode) while not having to worry about pve interactions, playstyles, rotations.
stoic spire
and then they just kinda abandoned them lmao
warfronts should have been like dota or lol with pvp mode and should have got new maps every now and then. Same with islands, thorgast or whatever other system- just keep it in game and add new maps and rewards like transmog, toys etc- you got content for years to come
old venture
THEY HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL MAN
I'm still salty about it
I was so hype for warfronts
tidal python
modern epic bgs are so lame it's inexcusable
keen dome
One per patch detailing the conflict we're in. A big push. Like, Liberaiton of Undermine? Warfront for that would be battling Gallywix's thugs during the revolution and setting up the raid. You could've done so much.
old venture
I remember wrath wintergrasp
and how sick it was
you just duke it out for a few hours
tidal python
yeah
and there were real stakes in it because if you lost you wouldn't have access to the mini raid
vault of... archavon?
old venture
yea a raid you could clear in like 30 minutes, with a chance at a rare mount and catch up gear
keen dome
Something I find frustrating with WoW pvp atm: Blitz variants of BG's are vastly more fun than the random BG variants.
old venture
so it was a good way to gear up alts
encouraging people to actually do it the entirety of the expac
keen dome
I miss the mini-raids.
old venture
I do too but then I remember crucible of storms
and I'm not that upset they went away
because fuck that raid
old venture
it just seems dungeon and mini-raid quality just got worse over the years
keen dome
In Legion, my weird little Heroic guild was one of the few who actually killed heroic helya on my realm 'cos most people gave up lmao
hollow spear
I do too but then I remember crucible of storms
oh boy, I remember that one
keen dome
I personally think a big part of it is that Blizz simly has terrible talent retention due to a myriad of reasons.
old venture
I remember method won because they had more shadowpriests than limit? or something like that
hollow spear
kinda liked that Pieces won the RWF then
keen dome
Anybod who is very good doesn't stick around, so they cycle through a lot of people and you lose a lot of identity.
hollow spear
but that's the only thing I liked about it lol
tidal python
Anybod who is very good doesn't stick around, so they cycle through a lot of peo...
sometimes I feel like they're just changing stuff for the sake of keeping things fresh and different, regardless of whether it's better or not
helps keep people engaged
keen dome
sometimes I feel like they're just changing stuff for the sake of keeping things...
Maybe, I'm not sure. But it could be. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply lack a style guide / technical document that details a lot of the vibe and feel of something. So stuff has to be remade 'cos nobody can properly work on it but
I am not a developer, so I'm talking yap.
hollow spear
the current state of rogue is probably easily explained by resources in total being reduced in combination with the class being unpopular
hollow spear
rogue was very strong in 10.0.5+ and I didn't really notice a large influx of players
maybe sub went from 9 active players to 11
cannot be sure
clever delta
Where sub buffs
keen dome
I'll never not play it. They can never delete it because I won't log off.
clever delta
That's the Spirit
clever delta
gritty gorge
nelf is just a vanish why couldnt you just do the same thing
Well never tried it. Thought it might be a DH only thing. Guess you have to evasion after you pulled him into a corner to then sprint past him?
lilac stag
is it up to 50?
We had a surge from RWF
old venture
haughty mural
We had a surge from RWF
Iāve been told this week:
āyo sub is still op this patch right? I mean it was played rwfā
No joke
lilac stag
Not surprised.
keen dome
Iāve been told this week:
āyo sub is still op this patch right? I mean it was pl...
did you reply "yep"
lilac stag
Doesnāt feel OP progging on it now when everything else just blasting.
haughty mural
I did reply: āAre you dumb?ā
lilac stag
Iām at least having fun with guildies in keys
haughty mural
With bleed build 
lilac stag
our tank was rogue last tier so he knows how to pull for me
haughty mural
But yes same
haughty mural
our tank was rogue last tier so he knows how to pull for me
Thatās based - mine knows it because he knows me
lilac stag
With bleed build <:2ez:587982296066424843>
It plays how I think assa shouldā¦ around bleeds and then just popping off a kill. Itās been a lot of fun.
haughty mural
Agreed
lilac stag
Trickster sub is cool af. Just not good when it comes to average key enjoyer timings.
haughty mural
Although even in bleed build some envenoms slap harder than eviscerates
lilac stag
best fun I had on sub was 1min cd affix.
lilac stag
Stuff was ready
haughty mural
Trickster sub is cool af. Just not good when it comes to average key enjoyer ti...
I also like trickster a lot lot lot
lilac stag
I do miss speed shroud unironically
Iāve hit it a couple times and went well fuck. This is slow.
haughty mural
Same
We memed my speedshroud a lot this season
(Should be in the rogue tree anyway)
old venture
(Should be in the rogue tree anyway)
lmao
it's hilarious how that was the only spec specific "raid buff" that stayed for rogue
on the spec tree
restless crew got deleted, atrophic got moved to the class tree
and speed shroud was just forgotten about
vestal escarp
Honor Among Thieves but raidwide
neon frigate
Hi guys, is there maybe someone who can help me out a bit with my sub rogue. I am ilvl 657 but I am stuck at M+ 6/7 and always lowest on damage..
I read so many guides, but apparently I am doing something wrong
void verge
Hi guys, is there maybe someone who can help me out a bit with my sub rogue. I a...
Folks can only help if you provide logs. Canāt guess how you play
neon frigate
Folks can only help if you provide logs. Canāt guess how you play
I have logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pgNQjVxtXkDh4bTv. This was a cindery brew
lilac stag
Hi guys, is there maybe someone who can help me out a bit with my sub rogue. I a...
Youāre playing the wrong spec.
basically youāre in CD hell
void verge
I have logs
Feel free to dm me. Full disclosure: Iām only 2.8k but Iām happy to try to help
lilac stag
at that level youāre never getting full flag and often stuck wondering do I or donāt I send
our AoE is also meh overall
And at 6/7 boss dmg is irrelevant (subs strength)
neon frigate
And at 6/7 boss dmg is irrelevant (subs strength)
yeah defense wise it is ok, but my dmg is just bad haha š
void verge
In low keys you have to play wrong basically
lilac stag
Or just play assa bleed and dominate
At this point io and gearing more important than suffering in 6/7s
neon frigate
is assasin really better? i did that first but was strugling in single target
lilac stag
The bleed build slaps the shit out of everything in aoe
The ST is average
but the speed you plow through packs more than makes up for it
Higher keys you get two DMs in boss fights, one during execute.
neon frigate
DM?
void verge
Crimson tempest goes brrrrr
neon frigate
ok, so switch to sin? then i do that š can u also switch specs in dung?
void verge
Not once the key is activated
neon frigate
I see
Warden you said, in low keys you have to play it wrong?
what you mean by that
paper iron
reenter the dungeon
void verge
what you mean by that
When stuff dies too fast, I do the small burst on CD and am more apt to hold the bigger one. Which is basically the opposite of what you want to do in ideal play
limpid forum
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
void verge
but if you're following guides, then you're gonna be holding dance for those ~25 seconds and stuff dies in that time, you should have just sent it again
which is why it's playing wrong
but if you want to play sub and not switch you're gonna have to make judgment calls like that
neon frigate
I see
what would the best way forward? Get better gear?
This is me now:
https://raider.io/characters/eu/doomhammer/Albertwesker
Should i just focus raids then?
void verge
what would the best way forward? Get better gear?
This is me now:
https://raider...
if that's what you want to do. i'm at 666 and i only cleared normal LOU once. there are a lot of gearing options
half comet
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hybrid prism
Myth trashmaster's mantle with leech. Pog
burnt loom
assa in keys is a sure way to make someone quit playing rogue. Just know when to use black powder on large packs and you'll see your damage lift up
valid vault
Why does it feel like I'm sometimes stuck only doing 1 dance in-between cooldowns
valid vault
I thought there was like 2-2-1-2 type thing but I'm always 2-2-1-1
And the one never ends
hazy breach
Its more like burst > 2dance > burst > 1dance > burst > 2dance
valid vault
Yeah but after my second burst I never get that second dance back outside of burst
hazy breach
On a dummy?
valid vault
Raid, so it's not a shaman buff issue
I mainly noticed it on OAB, like I could only send one dance on adds
Maybe it's little bits of downtime traveling between adds that's fucking it
neon frigate
is it maybe possible to check my logs and see if I am making huge mistakes?
I do not understand this tool:
hazy breach
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
warm goblet
Strictly talking gut feeling here, will sim later. What usually pulls ahead between energy drink & pacemaker? Both hero track
Just out of curiosity, will know when I sim obviously
patent lichen
Usually pacemaker for me
neon frigate
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your ...
thank you so much!
neon frigate
holy shit, i have been focussing on that order and my single target burst is 20M damage higher haha
went from ~45M tot 65M
graceful rock
Try not to be jealous
fallow nimbus
swift tinsel
I'm expecting myth track plume, sigil, and haste-heavy cloak
ember hound
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
shrewd lantern
I'm expecting myth track plume, sigil, and haste-heavy cloak
You can cata cloak to mast vers at least
shrewd lantern
Try not to be jealous
helm aint that bad
swift tinsel
already have catalyst cloak sacrifice
shrewd lantern
Oh im still using a normal jetpack
lilac stag
I'm expecting myth track plume, sigil, and haste-heavy cloak
Get that assa cloak
old venture
Get that assa cloak
haste is better for outlaw than assa lmao
paper iron
answer is depends
depends on what u might ask?
depends on if blzzard wants you to slow them or no
worn ivy
for example does it slow the archer cast un interruptable
paper iron
lilac stag
haste is better for outlaw than assa lmao
m+ loves me some haste
paper iron
top archer should work
lilac stag
assa just has whatever
paper iron
it usually works on every cast, kickable or not
lilac stag
which is nice
old venture
assa's stat priority is like a homeless person begging for food, it takes what it can get
paper iron
doesnt work on boss, but the melee speed reduc
yea oxi
that s the best way to put it
homeless assa
vale pine
assa's stat priority is like a homeless person begging for food, it takes what i...
haha, poor assa players
old venture
what a time to be alive that haste is the outlaw stat
lilac stag
Homrlander Assa
paper iron
imagine
hazy breach
for example does it slow the archer cast un interruptable
Well yes, but thats because those archers are using ranged attacks
paper iron
but yet
twilit phoenix
haste for outlaw is only good until the cutoff though
hazy breach
So the attack speed slow works
twilit phoenix
and then it just falls off
lilac stag
outlaw still doesnt like lust <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Too much haste. 
paper iron
we would use PI and all
hazy breach
Passive haste isnt horrid on sub either
paper iron
i want ER and SL flag and dust for outlaw and mfd back
hazy breach
Genuinely just replace sectechs animation with something cool
twilit phoenix
dried mango is really good
paper iron
they replaced sectechs animation by emptiness already
twilit phoenix
sec tech clones should be a bunch of thugshakers
paper iron
what you want more
twilit phoenix
vale pine
what a time to be alive that haste is the outlaw stat
think they don't want excessive amounts of it
paper iron
swift tinsel
I want my shadow clones to turn into logs when they disappear
old venture
Genuinely just replace sectechs animation with something cool
best I can do is sub gets a purple killing spree, take it or leave it
lilac stag
just empower an eviscerate with the dfa animation as a spirit and no player bullshit
paper iron
think they don't want excessive amounts of it
about 20% for kir which is a loooot allocated stat already
twilit phoenix
I want my shadow clones to turn into logs when they disappear
this would be amazing haha
hazy breach
best I can do is sub gets a purple killing spree, take it or leave it
Im leaving it, thanks
old venture
but it's thematic!
paper iron
yo
old venture
it's purple!
hazy breach
It is way more thematic for sub than outlaw for sure
paper iron
Oxi would be a great blizzard dev no cap
old venture
that's what I'm saying
hazy breach
But i wouldnt want the camera dashing
old venture
someone tell mr. microsoft to hire me
hazy breach
Just the animation of teleporting around similar to blade dance would be cool
swift tinsel
Shadostriking all arround the target
This is giving Sepulcher set vibes so itās insta-bad
old venture
Just the animation of teleporting around similar to blade dance would be cool
remember when they could've done that for KS because they could just literally copy and paste blade dance, but didn't?
twilit phoenix
Wox's KS fix is based
old venture
because psure you can still move around in blade dance
twilit phoenix
if blizz doesn't implement that it's joever
twilit phoenix
old venture
think they don't want excessive amounts of it
yeah but its kinda crazy how little haste assa cares about now. But I guess that's the perks of making the dots do no damage
swift tinsel
Buncha Contract clones spawning and stabbing
twilit phoenix
yeah but its kinda crazy how little haste assa cares about now. But I guess that...
isn't bleed more haste thirsty though?
old venture
yeah
but that's because of imp garrote and CT
rupture's just bad
it's there for scent of blood and energy
twilit phoenix
ah i see
twilit phoenix
I am running out of slots to socket
was traveling so I couldn't juice my vault
only 1 myth dungeon slot and 2 myth raid ones
hollow spear
oof
twilit phoenix
prayging for a miracle
hollow spear
those are usually the best
formal copper
which is the best brann role to play with rogue? healer?
tawdry geyser
I like to perma tricks dps brann, no need for heals when heās taking all the dmg for you lol
formal copper
but brann will die as dps
slim summit
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
void verge
but brann will die as dps
depends on Brann level, but he shouldnt
swift tinsel
lol mine gets murdered at 80
old venture
which is the best brann role to play with rogue? healer?
I've had the best luck tricksing healer brann
but he's useless at all 3 roles
keen dome
I just use tank brann and let the chaos unfold
swift tinsel
Lmfao or he throws them into the webs that spawn spiders
graceful osprey
Just curious as I am still learning and trying to improve. I think Iāve gotten the opener fairly solid but from the downtime to the next flag/shadow blades, Iām dropping to like 1.4-1.5 M dps and then when flag and shadow blades pop again I jump to 1.7-1.8 M. Does that sounds kinda right? My ilvl is 655
swift tinsel
Tank Brann with double beacon hpal
old venture
I just use tank brann and let the chaos unfold
I tried tank brann once, and he kept dying and I was just tanking everything myself anyway. Figured I'd just use healer because his heals sometimes are useful
bozo ass useless dwarf
keen dome
Something I appreciate is that mobs have less Hp on tank brann
swift tinsel
What I used to get all 11ās healer achiev
keen dome
Which means Sub kills them SUPER quickly. They broke his AI again and he'll do really weird shit though.
He's not a good choice. but he's funny.
swift tinsel
Dude he kites bosses so they reset so fucking much
keen dome
Yeah
My favourite thing is he'll spam leap into pack swhile in stealth, chain resetting them and screaming his voice lines
swift tinsel
So on classes that have taunt I have to throw it out to make sure he doesnāt do some shit ass fuckery
old venture
lmfao I did the boss delve
and this guy ran out of the arena
and threw potions at the portal
like thanks man
real helpful
swift tinsel
Lmfao yep seen that
keen dome
lmao
swift tinsel
Love when he throws pots into the oil slicks too
keen dome
I forget which delve I was doing but he just ran up a wall
old venture
his dispel is useless too
keen dome
like straight vertical
old venture
he uses it once every 3 minutes or some shit
swift tinsel
He gets stuck on rocks constantly
keen dome
One positive of tank Brann is he dies really quickly
swift tinsel
As tank so he just shoots stuff
old venture
dude's out here playing like he's on exile's reach
old venture
yes
swift tinsel
lol if I Sac him without bubble it breaks insta
mint swift
Fuckin moron in tank spec pulls while im stealthed and he has 2% health
Or fucking
he sees one mob and
"I'm going all out!!!!!!!!!!"
swift tinsel
Yuuuuuup
mint swift
And kill the random critter before the boss
You are correct
minus the CD part
Remember current BM doesn't run CDs
In m+
swift tinsel
āIām on the same planet as something else, better aggro or Iāll dieā
old venture
oh true
keen dome
I'm a big fan of:
Brann points at you
You have died
swift tinsel
Lmfao whenever he points at me I rage
mint swift
Had a boomy spam shit as tank was garther and just said
old venture
my fav was when I skipped like an entire delve to the boss
and then I look and I'm in combat
mint swift
"If tank could get aggro it would be nice"
old venture
and I have 35 mobs running at me
swift tinsel
Almost fist-imprint my desk
keen dome
You?
swift tinsel
Lololol when he dead sprints a hallway and pulls everything
keen dome
Your rats?
mint swift
keen dome
Hellll yeah
keen dome
Big .io let's go
swift tinsel
Mf will troll Waterworks and Kriegfall
mint swift
Final 13 was with a premade tank and heal
old venture
can't wait for tww to be over so brann can fuck off to wherever he was since wrath of the lich king
keen dome
He's gonna be the Delve guy forever
split shore
take a wee rest
keen dome
So much of this would be avoided if they just made him a pet.
old venture
why do they manage to fuck up literally all solo content that has potential to be good
mint swift
why do they manage to fuck up literally all solo content that has potential to b...
Bro wheover made choreghast deserves to be fucked in the asshole
I was so excited for it
I WAS SO DAMN EXCITED BECAUSE I LOVE ROGUELIKES
old venture
so was I man 
keen dome
Same..
frozen light
I prefer brann over 90% of the BM hunter i played with in pug runs
old venture
it was supposed to be endless with like cosmetic unlocks
mint swift
"I mean tourghast was good because they made an endless mode!!"!11!!1!"3!!
old venture
and they were like I KNOW LETS MAKE IT DOGSHIT FOR HALF THE CLASSES/SPECS AND MAKE IT REQUIRED WEEKLY
keen dome
Bring back Island Expeditions and Torghast and make them evergreen systems
old venture
Oh and no more endless mode!
mint swift
You had to fucking pay out your asshole for the leggos
Bro at that point 10K gold was like
Obscene for me
let alone what
70K
or however much it took to make
vale pine
and they were like I KNOW LETS MAKE IT DOGSHIT FOR HALF THE CLASSES/SPECS AND MA...
classic blizz
old venture
it was so sick because to build the max ilvl leggo piece
mint swift
Wait fuu is playing bleed build sub
old venture
you had to make like 10 rank 1s, etc etc
mint swift
Gamer
old venture
so it was stupid expensive to level
keen dome
Yeah it was insane
keen dome
I'm a Big Crafter and even I looked at it and just went "Nah you know what this isn't worth the gold investment"
swift tinsel
lol I had a baby leggo for most of the first season and a half
keen dome
The JC stuff was insane
old venture
because of immersion
swift tinsel
SL was full of great ideas
old venture
CHOICES MATTERED IN SL
old venture
like when they promised covenants were going to be strictly cosmetic
swift tinsel
Until said Ripcords needed to be used
old venture
and like they were anything but strictly cosmetic
mint swift
quoting liquid max
old venture
well they were strictly cosmetic for rogue because every single one was roughly equally dogshit for rogue until max renown when fae was slightly better
swift tinsel
Lmao strictly cosmetic covenants was the pipiest pipe dream
keen dome
You can sit down and like. Piece out of every bit of SL and, objectively, a lot of it is very good and interesting content. But then you look at the FOMO / time requirement / engagement and it's dire
mint swift
"everything, sentiant, non-sentiant, dead, whatever. Was SCREAMING at blizzard to allow covenant switching"
Yea
old venture
@vale pine remember when they released legendaries for testing on PTR but forgot to include any of the rogue ones?
alpine wraith
kek
swift tinsel
Slaughter Poison
old venture
Slaughter Poison
dw they cooked it to be ashvane's coral but worse in every single way and it took 2 GCDs
void hound
believing in the ripcord be like
fell for it again award
mint swift
I want ashvane to
Ok nevermidn
But yea SL sucked
And then they went
"Lets make korthia"
WHICH BTW IM STILL FARMING AS WE SP-EAK
BECAUSE FUCK BLIZZARD
old venture
Jeff Hamilton designed The Maw and Korthia
mint swift
I just want good looking black pants
old venture
and Azerite Traits
mint swift
And i have to go through this stuff
old venture
he quit blizzard
and had those things listed as his accomplishments of good design on his linkedin
lmfao
swift tinsel
Azerite traits? More like 40% of our current talents and abilities
old venture
with the currency that like you did nothing with after you maxed out all your shards?
with zero catch up for alts?
mint swift
Hey guys
do you like farming the last raids tier on mythic
no?
Too bad
you are going to get your edge of night
and you are going to feel good about it
keen dome
At least they're making all the non-cov SL rep account wide in 11.1.5
mint swift
Also
I'm so happy everyone doesn't suck our cock anymore
"Oh champion Oh maw walker!"
Fuck off
I'm just here to walk my rats
old venture
SL was perfect wow time for me to play alts and gear them up because I had nothing but time on my hands. But like I was focusing on gearing my rogue because that's what I raided with. So when we finished prog I was like oh I'll dabble in alts. Then I realized I had to farm raid for: (1) the dom shards themselves - because you only got 1 per week from the world boss, (2) the armor it slotted into, AND (3) the currency to upgrade my shards
swift tinsel
SL did give us Halls of Atonement which surely weāll see againā¦
old venture
great great great great system
mint swift
Also Ges
I had a war at 620 and one at like 510
One was undead one was kul tiran
Despite worse racials and more gear needed
i went for the tiran
keen dome
Hell yeah
swift tinsel
And Encrypted affix
mint swift
Can i say tho
Ik this isn't relevant to sub rogue but like
so far,
fury feels good
Like sound wise, animations, rota
swift tinsel
Prideful and Encrypted were pretty dope
mint swift
Feels good
old venture
SL was when they realized they couldn't design a good seasonal affix since they hit it big on reaping & awakened
keen dome
Fury feels great to play, imo. I like how simple but complex it is.
mint swift
Also
old venture
good seasonal affix, after a certain key level it was actually detrimental
mint swift
100%
mint swift
just giving this kul tiran a trench coat
When i get the pats
think it would look cool
old venture
s2 you just always dealt with being slowed for the final boss
because it wasn't worth killing the slow dude because the shield was worthless
= cringe
keen dome
I only remember the S1 affix, the blood guy. I quit very early into S2 due to all the shit coming out + WoW being dire at the time and my raid group taking 300+ pulls to kill Heroic Denathrius
mint swift
Idk tho
swift tinsel
I didnāt do m+ until SL so I missed the great seasonals of BFA
mint swift
I only remember the S1 affix, the blood guy. I quit very early into S2 due to al...
Bro the guild im in at the time (But wasnt with in sl) took like
500
old venture
I only remember the S1 affix, the blood guy. I quit very early into S2 due to al...
brother heroic denathrius was not a joke
that boss was fucking hard
mint swift
That's clearly a skill issue
keen dome
Oh I know!
mint swift
Yea but like
keen dome
I raid lead it, haha
mint swift
you could pug it at that point and kill him XD
swift tinsel
lol we went through three tanks before we killed Sire
keen dome
250+ of our pulls were in P1 'cos people couldn't stack properly
old venture
bad tanks made that boss so much harder than it needed to be
keen dome
Man do I have the screenshot..
old venture
you relied on the tanks so much for that boss that if your tanks were dumb you were just doomed
mint swift
Think most attempts i've had on a boss i can remember was
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> remember when they released legendaries for testing on PTR...
haha, also a great one
mint swift
Actually prolly queen at like
swift tinsel
Yeah, one straight up gquit
keen dome
Nope, I do not. But our heroic kill was me + our BDK alive. Nobody else.
mint swift
Also every class i play makes me realise even more how rogue got sloppy seconds in terms of hero trees
hybrid prism
y'all think i should keep my mythic trashmaster or catalyst it for a big mastery little vers cloak?
mint swift
Like they designed all the hero trees and went
mint swift
"Ah fuck we forgot rogue"
swift tinsel
One was a prot paladin which ig in early sl was a liability lol
mint swift
y'all think i should keep my mythic trashmaster or catalyst it for a big mastery...
Sim
keen dome
y'all think i should keep my mythic trashmaster or catalyst it for a big mastery...
I'd say sim, but 'cos it'sone-way I'd proably keep the trashmasters mantle
hybrid prism
ye good call
swift tinsel
Switched to vdh and was cruisin
hybrid prism
ill sim it and get back to ya
mint swift
"Ah fuck we forgot rogue"
Hold on lemmie get smth
old venture
oh yeah sire denathrius where having a vdh just made the fight 40% easier in p2
good balance
old venture
I guess they expected people to cast door of shadows for 2.5s
keen dome
heroes
old venture
@tepid trellis got to watch it
swift tinsel
I donāt even wanna know some of our stats lol
old venture
and suffered in my pain
mint swift
It's so funny
Esp as they used it as a raid warning later
Fuck i only have the clip from max's channel so its censored
keen dome
Look sometimes you've just gotta celebrate
old venture
swift tinsel
lol Sire took us almost exactly one month too
old venture
I loved progging pre-nerf tindral
that was fun
and by fun I mean I wanted to commit sudoku
icy forum
š
keen dome
https://tenor.com/view/penis-gif-20305526
mint swift
Fuck
I can't find it
It was a sped up clip of someone circling around a flying orb on tindral or whatever
It was super funny
old venture
ngl real talk guys, if it wasn't for fuu I would've quit RH ages ago
hybrid prism
trashmaster was better
keen dome
RH is a very cool discord to exist in. I am happy I finally joined.
old venture
shout out to the bfa gamers who got the original cloak and turned it in for the perma trashmaster title
mint swift
so i'm clearly the best
keen dome
shout out to the bfa gamers who got the original cloak and turned it in for the ...
š«”
Did it in the first week of it being live
keen dome
I've had trashmaster since it launched
mint swift
On my hunter i have vengance incarnate
keen dome
Never not going to rock that title
mint swift
Cuase you know
old venture
although I should use my famed slayer titles but that feels a little too try hard
old venture
ya know?
mint swift
vengance incarnate
keen dome
Trashmaster was really rare until this season, honestly
old venture
and at this point it's like "famed slayer of who gives a fuck" because it's been so long
keen dome
I feel.. LESS COOL
fallow nimbus
that perma trashmaster title because of the cloak is funny
old venture
you go back to the original mechagon, and get the cloak off of kujo
mint swift
the one from the One-armed achivement is slick af
old venture
and turn it into to jani
mint swift
I forgot exactly what it was
keen dome
The cloak from Workshop. You give it (or show it to I forget) Jani at one of their trash piles
mint swift
But it sounds p good
mint swift
Kk
keen dome
I wanna be Famed Slayer of Trash
keen dome
old venture
How do you even get trashmaster
swift tinsel
Defender of a Smelly World
mint swift
Kkf
fuck does anyone know the feat of streangth one-armed achivement
The title you get from it
old venture
do you know what the achievement is called
hybrid prism
the title is "Cholo Bandito"
old venture
okay that's actually so good lmao
mint swift
do you know what the achievement is called
No
logging into get it
No it's not that
Sadly
hybrid prism
lmao i was kidding
old venture
damn
hybrid prism
just made that up
swift tinsel
One-Armed achievement?
mint swift
Yea like
old venture
<name>, the Reel Deal
mint swift
Before the fight for glory
You need one of the tokens in the slot machine
Yeye
reel deal
keen dome
lmao, Junkmastero from a Stix achievement
keen dome
there's a few this season yeah
old venture
some you can yea
swift tinsel
Are they permanent or like the one from Descent
old venture
https://www.wowhead.com/achievements/character-achievements/dungeons-and-raids/war-within-raid#0+4+7
keen dome
Stix has one, Mug'zee has one, bandit has one
old venture
just sort by rewards
keen dome
Perma achievement ones
swift tinsel
We do a raid achievement run so thatās even more incentive
keen dome
Reel Deel, Junkmastero and uh, the mug'zee one
mint swift
Wait
I think i have the junk one
(My warrior)
Idk tho
"ascension breaker" goes hard as fuck
bleak night
gotta match your title to your transmog
shy ermine
Sin eater is my go to
bleak night
smh fucking posers
keen dome
haha
mint swift
gotta match your title to your transmog
IDK there's no matrix related title
So none for the trenchcoat
mint swift
Internet the explorer
swift tinsel
Blood Champion on my dk and the Proven Assailant or Masked Chuckler on my rogue, depending on transmog
mint swift
Salty crisps
bleak night
breaker of chains
keen dome
There's someone on my server called Feminism who has the Manslayer title which is chefs kiss
swift tinsel
Sometimes Seeker of Loot
steel sierra
How do I sim (if it's possible) various gem upgrade combinations other than just having it sim one type of gem for everything? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6xAFF5c5Q8NwLHAaRknXwp
mint swift
There's someone on my server called Feminism who has the Manslayer title which i...
Fucking
SLAY queen
keen dome
It rules so much
bleak night
anub' can be funny too
swift tinsel
Salty Cumsock might be one of the best/worst Iāve seen
keen dome
lmao
bleak night
swift tinsel
Some names that get through the filter are mind blowing
keen dome
Sometimes I can only assume the filter just broke that day
mint swift
swift tinsel
https://tenor.com/view/cat-sock-cat-in-sock-apollo-apollo-real-gif-26798400
Do not in any way make cats relevant to this conversation
keen dome
how
paper iron
gratz on your 3k ayaya
old venture
How do I sim (if it's possible) various gem upgrade combinations other than just...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hLbGVNDE5uvLfiBKjCJuGe give this like 5s
mint swift
gratz on your 3k ayaya
Cheers <3<3<3
bleak night
smelly fartsniffer
old venture
good name
keen dome
HOW did you get that name
mint swift
Who is called herbert under the age of 500
keen dome
that's even more surprising and owns
bleak night
herbert
swift tinsel
My evoker is Snootbooper
mint swift
Bro i have Ruben and Sulfur
swift tinsel
Gotta /me boops your snoot
mint swift
Explain to me how i got those two
bleak night
one guy in my guild has a bunch of names that idk how he managed to get
mint swift
And phobos
bleak night
he named his alt Alt
swift tinsel
Every dungeon
keen dome
My buddy has a hunter called Mindgoblin. I have asked why it's called mind goblin.
He got me good
swift tinsel
Lmfaoooooo
swift tinsel
Praisekink
swift tinsel
Davestalker
keen dome
I obsess over names. Which is why I have every npc in WoW's name open on a wiki and I'm looking through it for cool names
swift tinsel
Made a warlock named Breaker so I can have the same name/title combo as the green fire lock feat
keen dome
Nice
paper iron
recrafted everything to crit mast
swift tinsel
One of my prouder accomplishments in game, killing him pre-nerf without a purification potion
mint swift
recrafted everything to crit mast
Assa right
paper iron
arcane
hoary lotus
paper iron
obviously
steel sierra
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hLbGVNDE5uvLfiBKjCJuGe give this like 5s
Hmm, it's still showing my current gems as the best (they're not lol) and the options stil only show the same type of gem for all gear in each comparison
keen dome
I should get spelltome but I don't have enough alts yet.
bleak night
