Sadly my guild thinks they're liquid during RWF or something and they keep logs private
#subtlety
plush roost
I lowkey think the 2 minners do it on purpose
hazy breach
Even if its 1:40 it doesnt really change
plush roost
"oops guess my cd window lines up teehee"
hazy breach
Becuase its 40 seconds of downtime, into another 1:40 timer
young mural
The 2 minute mafia 
young mural
Becuase its 40 seconds of downtime, into another 1:40 timer
Anyway even if you hold CDs as sub, youre not doing 250/300m damage in that window as assassination
chilly patio
I still don't have HoC because the 2m mafia keeps outrolling me for it 
young mural
Although sins dmg is not as bursty
Sub feels so nutty on vexie
You take 1000% advantage of the dmg amp
hazy breach
You definitely dont
As its 45s long
And your burst is like 25s max
It would be way better for sub if the window was shorter
young mural
Taking insane advantage of the window doesnt mean that your burst fits perfectly in it
hazy breach
I mean sure but stuff like deva and MM do more
young mural
Some class can have a 45 sec burst that fits it perfectly but if youre doing trash damage on that burst what is it worth?
young mural
I mean sure but stuff like deva and MM do more
Yhea sub is cooked
Yet they buffed dev evoker when they buffed assassination
Out of pocket
plush roost
I mean like assa kinda does have a 45 sec burst window with lingering darkness lol
hazy breach
Idk i dont feel like its insane if i have to spend a lot of the time during the +100% damage bonus backstabbing
plush roost
30% increased envenoms during the entire damage amp prettttty good
hazy breach
it doesnt feel very insane to me
chilly patio
Do yall hold your 90s for the damage amp after the first one?
final holly
Idk i dont feel like its insane if i have to spend a lot of the time during the ...
Speaking of exactly this, is there a good way to handle rookery last boss? I feel like every time I do that boss the amp phase comes up at the worst possible times
hazy breach
In a pug situation you cant do much
With premades you'd obviously want to either delay for your burst or go through 2x shields roughly in time for your burst, depending on how high you go ig
chilly patio
What exactly are the top few people doing thats letting them squeeze 300-400k more out of vexie compared to rank 10+? Cd usage is similar, is it just people highrolling/variance? More gear?
lucid jackal
Group doing less aoe damage
wide kernel
With premades you'd obviously want to either delay for your burst or go through ...
counting on pugs to do damage you need them to is rough
jaunty umbra
Oh its a classic padds situation i see
like every fight with adds ever 
stable badge
whats better Tricker or death/
still quartz
check pin
tranquil garden
I need some help with floodgate. I always screw up with the shredders and to a lesser extent the Wind-Ups. I can't seem to avoid losing up time with the shredders. Can the shreds be evasioned? I thought I tried that and it didn't work. Is there some other trick to doing it?
Same deal with the wind ups since blind doesn't CC them
rain swallow
!sheet
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lunar rain
what build do you guys uses for gallywix heroic?
paper iron
the same than the whole raid
u play dat for the entire raid, switch shadow focus to imp shuriken storm if you will press storm at least once in a fight
lunar rain
i see thanks!
random hare
What exactly are the top few people doing thats letting them squeeze 300-400k mo...
Idk, I did 400k above r1 and I never knew why
Probably rng and kill timer
slate marlin
improved storm > shadow focus on any fight were u cast ss even once
So 7/8 this tier
bleak night
slate marlin
Too late too sleepy
inner hazel
!wa
wicked joltBOT
pearl swan
!sims
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Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
pearl swan
!spreadsheet
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twilit phoenix
you swap to improved storm if you press it even once on a fight
twilit phoenix
just making sure you're aware
torpid harbor
Is sectech damage based off buffs you have when you press it or when it actually goes off?
twilit phoenix
Is sectech damage based off buffs you have when you press it or when it actually...
based on when the hits land
the big 2 hits happen 1 second and 1.3 seconds after you press it
so if you sectech your last global of dance, you won't get the 20% on the big shadow hits
pastel rampart
if u have 1hr tricks on ur tank and start shadowstriking stuff out of combat, will u still get meleed by the mobs?
young mural
if u have 1hr tricks on ur tank and start shadowstriking stuff out of combat, wi...
yhea for the 1st melee you'll get hit and the 1st cast from casters will be targeted onto you
pastel rampart
very cring
young mural
truly
to truly tricks something you need to evasion + cloak the cast
and then youre good to pull whatever you want without tank's permission
lilac stag
@tribal blade 
wide kernel
is it not correct to take weapon master instead of tfd for brew?
because there's so few chances for tfd to work
wide kernel
there's constant combat in brew though
young mural
youre going to get 6sec of combat in a dungeon once or twice
theres no way
i've never done a dungeon with less than 2 tfd procs, probably much more
fallen crescent
And when u vanish in certain conditions u can get it back up mid combar
lucid jackal
there's constant combat in brew though
WM literally does nothing in aoe is the issue
lilac stag
there's constant combat in brew though
There are opportunities to get it back and you start with one with the key so no you don’t take WM.
short radish
there's constant combat in brew though
after every boss there is downtime
pull, 1st boss, 2nd boss, 3rd boss
thats at least 4 procs of TFD
lilac stag
bleed or sub
tribal blade
cool
lilac stag
hit 20m on opening priory pull and 19m on cinder
hunter and driud... what in the actual fuck lol
tribal blade
yeah you just have crazy high aoe every single pull
wild hornet
Opening with flag on the sorting doesnt seem so bad after all
haughty rose
i need further explanation on that. in the initial opener, where i pop flag, blades and trinket, i don't use symbols with sec tec?
wide kernel
you use blades right before sectec
haughty rose
yea sure
currently i do it like this
strike > flag > rupture > dance > symbols > backstab > blades + trinket + potion (if BL is on pull) > sec tec
is this wrong?
vale pine
good morning sub chat, how are things?
short radish
when fuu has assi tag you know sub is really down bad
clever delta
vale pine
when fuu has assi tag you know sub is really down bad
oh, good find
i did add the tag when changing the bot for the new role
and forgot to remove it
thanks 👍
serene notch
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
jaunty heath
short radish
any mythic house of cards?
alpine wraith
yea sub and loot was shit
ended up using flag at 5 min to get a cast at the end
so it was kinda fine dmg for last phase
short radish
F
i was benched because i had to miss a night of prog
and the dagger + mythic house of cards dropped
young mural
yea sub and loot was shit
sad
young mural
i was benched because i had to miss a night of prog
i got benched on rik re-kill (freshly joined the guild) and 2 myth track daggers dropped
ended up in a priest's bag
(agi dagger)
short radish
thats so cool
i love it when that happens
this is 2/2 times its happened to me now
last time was on sark kill
where i had to swap to hpal on last 10%
because our rsham had a massive whinge and wanted to play evoker instead
(he sucked at evoker)
then dagger droped
ecks dee dee
young mural
short radish
only rogue in raid as well
young mural
insanely unfortunate
young mural
only rogue in raid as well
yhea thats my current situation also
short radish
gone are the glory days of having 3 rogues in for whatever that last boss in 1st tier DF was
upbeat cradle
Aww man just saw the hotfixes and sadge at no rogues changes when they are buffing warlocks and fire mages 😦
young mural
gone are the glory days of having 3 rogues in for whatever that last boss in 1st...
it was sark no?
sarkareth or razageth
young mural
Aww man just saw the hotfixes and sadge at no rogues changes when they are buffi...
feels bad as fuck
young mural
you guys will see tuesday and beyond stats
sub rogue will probably be insanely bad
compared to other specs
probably top 5 worst ST damage
dry plank
I do not play sub in raid because we do not have shaman
I tried last night on pocket rocket boss
1 pull and changed spec
young mural
1 pull and changed spec
thats me but with sin
idk how to play it correctly
idk how but i just dont do dmg
lucid jackal
probably top 5 worst ST damage
thank god this isn't really a ST raid
young mural
but being forced to learn since sub is ass
young mural
thank god this isn't really a ST raid
true asf
dry plank
idk how to play it correctly
Press mutilate and 5 sec chill until energy will be enough on next mutilate
young mural
thank god this isn't really a ST raid
if we had this tuning in nerubar it would've been worse
young mural
it had more ST situations
young mural
Sin needs a good execute to do a lot of dmg
wdym
lucid jackal
A large amount of sins damage comes from execute atm
young mural
like half the raid wiped and a long 30%-0%? lol'
lucid jackal
Lust in execute, getting a DM in execute without missing one
young mural
Lust in execute, getting a DM in execute without missing one
hmmmm gotcha
yhea
what boss are we lusting in execute?
bandit i guess
and mug
but depends on guild strats
lucid jackal
bandit and mugzee yeah
alpine wraith
bandit is a bit whatever because we get 2 uses from 5 min to death but mug zee is assa big power
although you will see more assa on bandit now too as the fiery dinamyte bodies are not such an issue now
young mural
yhea im definitely going assa on mug
cage spatter is pog
ill race change if necessary to stay out of those cages
young mural
although you will see more assa on bandit now too as the fiery dinamyte bodies a...
true
hacha youre planning on playing sin during mug prog?
lucid jackal
ill race change if necessary to stay out of those cages
Just go velf it makes life 200 easier
And it's good on gally too
young mural
i dont get the velf meta
lucid jackal
U go thru the cages
alpine wraith
im not in for mug zee
lucid jackal
Because u have to soak them
Or ppl die
Also if u just get the mechanic assigned to u
young mural
Because u have to soak them
does everyone need to?
young mural
Also if u just get the mechanic assigned to u
ah
alpine wraith
you soak with like 3 people
usually warlocks and others
some can go out others cant but they changed so the goon breaks the wall again
lucid jackal
does everyone need to? <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
Everybody will need to eventually yes
alpine wraith
so it is not a huge issue
young mural
Everybody will need to eventually yes
yhea then im going velf 100%
gold farming for it incoming
warm marlin
My guild has not required I go velf
You can get gripped out of the cages if you rescue or priest grip at the proper timing
young mural
You can get gripped out of the cages if you rescue or priest grip at the proper ...
pog
well ill deal with this cage shit when i get there
young mural
currently praying for people to get mines correct on sprocket
dudes in my guild literally unable to drop drills out of group and do mines correctly
its one or the other
lucid jackal
You can get gripped out of the cages if you rescue or priest grip at the proper ...
Yes but at the same time velf can stop a fuckup, and also assist in the last phase
Depending on ur comp it might be really hard to get enough grips for everybody thats needed
tepid trellis
Everybody will need to eventually yes
i was kept out the whole fight
together with 2x warrior
but yes do go Velf
dont be me
young mural
My guild has not required I go velf
imo if a guild REQUIRES you to pay for a service w/ irl money or a fuck ton of gold they should pay for it/sponsor you
tepid trellis
correct
young mural
would be crazy to go: spend 500k gold or idk how many dollars or else youre benched buddy good luck
tepid trellis
or they ask "would you be willing to go velf for us here"
and then you can say yes or no
young mural
to be fair really depends on situation
but at least in my current situation
if my guild demands me to go velf
ill be asking for a sponsor for sure or at the bare minimum some help
west tide
im assigned to a goal 
young mural
idk im also not broke and want to parse so i might just bite the bullet
young mural
as a killer
fringe palm
if my guild demands me to go velf
Make your priest/evoker pay for it if they don't want to rescue you
leaden prairie
Everybody will need to eventually yes
When I tried to swap velf I realized I never unlocked the race
So I never swapped
Honestly it wasn't that bad, most specs in the game can go out
And we just grip the rogues in p3 if that happens
Rest of the times it's whatever anyway
young mural
Make your priest/evoker pay for it if they don't want to rescue you
im about to
alpine wraith
cant shadowstep out of gaol unluck
tepid trellis
whoever made that post
was a liar
until a see a video of someone doing
it im calling BS
paper siren
I just quicked simed my chara and nimble flurry doesnt show up on the damage breakdown. am i doing something wrong?
tepid trellis
npnp
young mural
cant shadowstep out of gaol unluck
Has extensive testing been done?
I want to try it anyways lul
fringe palm
No instant movement works, you can't use step after the walls go up
Maaaybe there's some possibility if you step a dh/warr while they leave the gaol
short radish
Maaaybe there's some possibility if you step a dh/warr while they leave the gaol
Ask a DH to double jump for you 
fringe palm
Or just get rescued and blame the evoker if he doesn't 
short radish
True. Fuck evokers
void ocean
can we venthyr out
short radish
Probably could if you precast
tepid trellis
Think the cast might break on LoS
void ocean
btw whats with shadowstep this patch, I died to frontal on mugzee after I shadowstepped him
tepid trellis
Hitbox wonky
wide kernel
yeah shadowstep going to the FRONT of stuff sometimes is wild
i got deleted by the keg smash dudes because of it
void ocean
also on Gally, when the bomb spawns and he moves, i shadowstep him but it always turns me oposite way
almost run back to bomb a few times
wide kernel
and also when you step to gally, you end up in a weird place randomly
tepid trellis
Yep
void ocean
and im not even gonna start on shadowsteping Locknstock
god knows where u end up there
might show up in Stormwind
wide kernel
ive messed up on the kb for lockenstock and was thrown into the abyss
step actually saved me there
void ocean
i remember wanted to fast shadowstep to neutralize intermission kick
ended up in the corner of the room
hazy breach
And we just grip the rogues in p3 if that happens
My priest forgot to grip me on our kill
wide kernel
bro i got gripped/rescued on the conveyer belt at mechagon and because of intertia, i ended up in the lava pot
twice
sly shore
@tepid trellis answer my dm u binch
sly shore
it im calling BS
I've done it
tepid trellis
show me
sly shore
I can get the vod when I get home tonight
hazy breach
Kinda rude to name him fetto ngl
upper plinth
!sheet
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tardy peak
What am I doing wrong here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TwdCQyvHWPJqhFX9?fight=18&type=damage-done&view=timeline&source=216
can't believe how low the dps is compared to how much I sim
solid lotus
sly shore
can't believe how low the dps is compared to how much I sim
that's a lot of symbols friend
!sod
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Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
hazy breach
What am I doing wrong here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TwdCQyvHWPJqhFX...
!mistakes
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Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
tribal blade
ah here it is
oh wait a second, he's bringing up the fact that rogue hero talents we don't play aren't getting buffed
oh HELL no
alpine wraith
i do find funny how demo got a 7% buff
i did like the arcane buff too
maybe they need more data to buff rogue surely!
they may want some people to play aug and beat us
so we can get our rightful spot
hazy breach
Not on sprocket
alpine wraith
i mean it is the best rogue spec if you dont need to deal damage anyway
just survive
also the aug buff is very weird
idk if anyone even knows how much % it is
eons buff is like what a 20% one almost
but to 1 thing
that scales with other players dmg
leaden prairie
Not on sprocket
at least one boss its not 
hazy breach
Idk i think sin is better
leaden prairie
on what
hazy breach
Everything thats not rik
leaden prairie
Sub is better on every fight but mug and rocket
fringe palm
Well Blizzard only looks at overall wcl data and rogue (not sub) looks amazing there so why buff, we are clearly in a good spot
alpine wraith
sin is quite decent on oab if you already have good dmg for the fiery bois
wild vine
Well Blizzard only looks at overall wcl data and rogue (not sub) looks amazing t...
They dont, they have their own data
alpine wraith
otherwise sub is better for that part specifically
hazy breach
Sin is terrible on oab
Idk, so is sub really. Top assa log does more damage to assistants than the top sub logs
Only thing sub does better is the cc immune adds, but now with the gear people have it doesnt really matter that much
leaden prairie
sin is quite decent on oab if you already have good dmg for the fiery bois
no its not? does no damage on reel assistants, no damage at 1min30 for the pop
alpine wraith
read above
leaden prairie
Idk, so is sub really. Top assa log does more damage to assistants than the top ...
only padding tho
not targetting them killing the first 2 fast
alpine wraith
assa has done more on both and 1:30 adds are a bit of a joke with so much gear
not saying sub is bad
just not stellar
leaden prairie
Bro
alpine wraith
it is up there in being useful for once
then ww enters the fray
we played 2 subs on oab
and it was good
but some people will play assa anyway
leaden prairie
Idk you guys are getting baited by sin logs padding on random stuffs
While sub litteraly carries part of the fight
leaden prairie
And sin is litteraly useless at doing another other than boss damage
On this fight
leaden prairie
You dont need to be carried there anymore
If nothing matters then nothing matters
What's the point then
Idk I think it's kinda wild to me that you guys would complain about sub, while it's clearly the best spec
Or
Ye maybe not on farm I guess
But on farm you play whatever you want so
Why does that matters
hazy breach
Sub is still dogshit add damage compared to other classes
So might aswell be good at something (ie boss damage and p2)
leaden prairie
its like the best melee for reel assistants
or one of
and its the best (ok maybe ww better who cares) at the 1min30 pop
So idk why you would care than sin does like 3% more boss damage while never swapping off of boss
hazy breach
Its not 3% 💀
Idk even if you remove the padd damage on the assistant im fairly sure the damage is pretty close between the two specs
leaden prairie
what
hazy breach
Obviously cc immune adds sub is good at, so if you need damage there
leaden prairie
sin cant even swap
idk what you are saying rn
its not even close
sub can litteraly chose to cd the reel assistants even
hazy breach
Sin not swapping with spatter does more than backstabs does when your dance has run out
leaden prairie
the last 2 sets your 1min 30 line up
leaden prairie
Sin not swapping with spatter does more than backstabs does when your dance has ...
ye thats why you hold dances
for the reel assistants
so you can kill the boss
hazy breach
And then you do no damage to the boxes
So they explode ontop of the add
While sin murders them
sly shore
boss damage parse
sly shore
leaden prairie
you can hold your dance
tepid trellis
guessing he means fire swirlies box's
leaden prairie
for these adds
hazy breach
3%
alpine wraith
3 % on top of 3%
leaden prairie
ye cause sub doesnt ever send on boss
you guys are like
steatlhi help me here
you cant be delusional aswell
placid wasp
Can I use a sword in my off hand ?
alpine wraith
i mean things week 1 are different from now
leaden prairie
this is crazy to me
tepid trellis
my 2 cents
alpine wraith
Can I use a sword in my off hand ?
no always 2 daggers slow off hand is very bad
leaden prairie
Nah bro you are acting like sub is trash while it's litteraly the best rogue spec every progress
hazy breach
Yes in theory sub should be way better
leaden prairie
It's wild to me
hazy breach
But assa number is just higher
leaden prairie
Don't say in theory sin is useless on that fight
tepid trellis
Sub is better for prog in terms of doing dmg to what you need to kill in order to kill the boss faster, but assa does way better overall dmg on the fight
leaden prairie
You are getting baited by people just padding and doing nothing that is useful
For the fight
hazy breach
Idk if you look at the logs the add damage is similar
alpine wraith
i mean sure with 640 ilvl just after killing sprocket in enrage going into oab sub is better
leaden prairie
Boss damage kekw
placid wasp
no always 2 daggers slow off hand is very bad
Like 20% less damage bad or like 2%? Its an alt and I'm remaking my gear from outlaw
leaden prairie
Idk if you look at the logs the add damage is similar
Not the add damage that matters
tepid trellis
ive not looked at the difference in reel assistant dmg
leaden prairie
If you look at the melee add I can assure you assa does nothing
alpine wraith
yea a lot like 20% or so just get a green dagger or something from ah
leaden prairie
It can't even swap target
Assa can't even swap target bro
Sub just hold a dance everytime
alpine wraith
once again that is a week 1 problem
leaden prairie
And you can cd the last 2 sets
alpine wraith
now adds die with 7 secs leftover
sly shore
I am checking now
placid wasp
yea a lot like 20% or so just get a green dagger or something from ah
Thx bro
alpine wraith
possibly
leaden prairie
Ye bro
tepid trellis
its shit
hazy breach
Ye but were talking about rogue here
alpine wraith
the thing is being the best rogue at x
is like being the best magic the gathering player in my house
leaden prairie
Complaining about sub being bad when it's the best prog spec literaly every progress
Including this one
tepid trellis
it aint prog no more
leaden prairie
Who cares about farm
tepid trellis
make me not hate my life for the next 4months ty
leaden prairie
You play any spec in. Farm
sly shore
sly shore
alpine wraith
90% of guilds will be in prog for more than 3 months more
sly shore
damage to first 2 reel assistants
leaden prairie
Instead of useless content
alpine wraith
so it matters to them
sly shore
HUH
leaden prairie
Don't be delusional please
sly shore
literal r1 overall
sly shore
for both bosses
leaden prairie
Reel add damage
sly shore
????????????
leaden prairie
From staying on boss
sly shore
to the FIRST TWO REEL ASSISTANTS
hazy breach
Bro thinks dance does damage
leaden prairie
And I have no idea what that random sub is doing
tepid trellis
dance without flag/blades doesent do alot
alpine wraith
actually add gets murdered even without sub or assa damage
that is the thing
we are on week x
sly shore
my log
sly shore
that's with cd's on the 4.30 set too
hazy breach
Again, i didnt say assa did more
alpine wraith
i had to hold cds for that one
hazy breach
I said it did similar
And sub doesnt do that much more that it warrants -20% boss dps
alpine wraith
yea i mean it is the same thing that bm has with mm
they cant let MM shine
also yea bosses are a team effort so sure for week 1 and 2 maybe 3 or 4 depending
sub was very good at least at 1:30 min adds
then lots of people got gear the 3% buff etc
that job is not as important
hazy breach
Also for the vast majority of people assa was the prog spec last tier 
leaden prairie
That's why you play sub every progress
hazy breach
After the changes
alpine wraith
it is not trash just gotta understand why some people might play assa
sly shore
This is also pretty huge
leaden prairie
Ye ok and you guys are asking like sub is litteraly the worse spec in the game when it was the only relevant rogue spec on basically every boss but mugzee
leaden prairie
And now we are looking at farm logs
alpine wraith
sub can be the worst spec in the game or the worse spec for rogue
hazy breach
Ye ok and you guys are asking like sub is litteraly the worse spec in the game w...
Well ye most other specs have been buffed by 5% since then (or will be on wednesday)
Sub has not
hazy breach
So its reasonable that its worse
sly shore
90% of guilds lol
alpine wraith
once again if you are in a top 20 wr
sly shore
check ur privelege zac smh
leaden prairie
Ok and guild progging shouldn't be playing assa
tepid trellis
it's not farm
it is for me and im the only that matters
leaden prairie
No cap
alpine wraith
it is fine to say it is farm but like most people are still in stix
or in sprocket
alpine wraith
and when they get to oab they will see the same data we see now
leaden prairie
Right
alpine wraith
outlaw is also fine yea
leaden prairie
Isn't outlaw higher damage overall
tepid trellis
depending on comp id say play Sub on OAB but rest
just go assa
and maybe rik i guess
but that boss just falls over now
tepid trellis
TRUE
alpine wraith
the problem is subs job is nothing special
leaden prairie
look at wcl
sly shore
so true bestie
leaden prairie
ye try 10
alpine wraith
company in misery with our nerfs too
hazy breach
Zac thinks im getting baited by overall damage when i actually went through the logs to check on actual targets smh my head
alpine wraith
yea but it is a thing
tepid trellis
you are swedish eleem i dont trust you either
leaden prairie
bro opened one log
leaden prairie
prolly worse sub rogue on the planet vs best assa padder world
alpine wraith
we do more reel add dmg but not by a factor important enough
sly shore
I compared literal r1 to r1 and my own log
tepid trellis
was about to say lik
sly shore
leaden prairie
- you aint assa so you aint cringe
tepid trellis
if boss dmg is not a factor to kill the boss
leaden prairie
I compared literal r1 to r1 and my own log
r1 what tho
sly shore
bandit
tepid trellis
to me atleast
sly shore
RANK ONE DAMAGE ZAC STOP BEING SO PURPOSEFULLY DENSE
sly shore
in fact, go find r1 reel assistant damage to the first two reel assistants only
alpine wraith
oh and dev evoker
leaden prairie
you both are rogue players
sly shore
I love looking at statistics in a vacuum to try and fit my argument poggers
leaden prairie
Don't act like you don't know
What argument
The argument that you only wipe on this boss if you don't kill the assistants fast enough
alpine wraith
i mean doing 100k more dps to reel assistants is cool and all
but now they die so fast
sly shore
You act like any rogue won't do less damage to reel assistants if other people are doing more damage
leaden prairie
I think that's a fair argument
alpine wraith
that is why people go assa
they play the boss and see their dmg does not matter at all
apart from boss
midnight geyser
Zac is cheating on us in sub chat???
alpine wraith
because even 1:30 adds get obliterad by whirl kicks cone of wahtevers fire mages being mages etc
leaden prairie
Doesn't mean it's the best rogue spec xdd
midnight geyser
Damn
leaden prairie
Zac is cheating on us in sub chat???
they saying sub is the worse rogue spec
i have to reel them in
midnight geyser
Lmaoooo
sly shore
zac when he can't play outlaw for one tier, a pov
midnight geyser
I think sub is bonkers on rik
tepid trellis
with how much dmg people are doing now, whatever reel assistant dmg you do as a rogue probably does not matter in the slightest anymore
midnight geyser
You can hold shit for barrels
sly shore
it's all of them that are wrong, not me
alpine wraith
hey you can play outlaw on cauldron
midnight geyser
Outlaw on stix
alpine wraith
yea we are not the best guild ever
and adds died with like 5 secs leftover
every time
before nerf maybe 4 or 5 secs
and we changed from focusing reel to boss more a bit even
tepid trellis
but what i will say tho
is looking at boss dmg is a bit bait
so zac isnt entirely wrong there
hazy breach
Ofc
alpine wraith
boss dmg only is not good data because yea stop dmg
shy ermine
Same on Mugzee
tepid trellis
so like only boss dmg that matter is p2
leaden prairie
Imma cleave from boss
tepid trellis
well now you prolly just push and skip a set
alpine wraith
you just stop dmg until 5 min
leaden prairie
Ye and P2 boss dies in 5 sec
tepid trellis
im not reclearing until 2 resets
alpine wraith
and not doing flame at all
tepid trellis
we on a small break
leaden prairie
Ok what mug or oab
fringe palm
They dont, they have their own data
everything i say is meant to be taken 100% serious. i am an expert after all
alpine wraith
damn that is big
leaden prairie
ye
alpine wraith
ah yea that was funny
alpine wraith
boss just gave up
alpine wraith
boss lost his energy bar
leaden prairie
@lucid jackal toughts?
tepid trellis
ok you are excused
midnight geyser
How did sub fall off this hard tho
It was like the best spec at the beginning of the season
fringe palm
how where they supposed to know p2 wasnt supposed to be this way??
alpine wraith
others got buffed
midnight geyser
And not many buffs were made
alpine wraith
and got gear
sly shore
That was the first time it bugged and it died
tepid trellis
How did sub fall off this hard tho
when you have 80% of your power week 1
sly shore
kinda funny
leaden prairie
guy is about to drop a tweet on your ass buddy @sly shore
tepid trellis
thats what happens
sly shore
removed like 30 wipes from our pull count
alpine wraith
and even after 2 transmitter nerfs
hazy breach
We already had pretty much our bis trinket and we could craft a weapon w1, whereas casters cant
sly shore
wasn't intentional we are innocent!!!
fringe palm
wasn't intentional we are innocent!!!
"do we kill it like this?" "yeah fuck this boss"
alpine wraith
fuck this boss!
hazy breach
And theres no special items thats really good for us like best in slot or the proc weapons/shields
sly shore
anyone saying "you should've wiped" is straight up lying they wouldn't do it too
it's not even a question
fringe palm
we honestly woudnt have done it 
alpine wraith
NOW HE IS GOING TO CHARGE
fringe palm
but its different
tepid trellis
anyone saying "you should've wiped" is straight up lying they wouldn't do it too
dont think you know my guild
tepid trellis
we called wipes on Jailer when it random bugged out
sly shore
patch notes:
fixed an error causing mug'zee to incorrectly phase on Mythic difficulty
it's like
low barely hof
fringe palm
youre taking world ranks from honest 700 pull chinese guilds, have some shame
alpine wraith
there is quite a bit of time for hof
sly shore
sorry 😦
sly shore
yeah but last 2 tiers they were literal wr 200 ish last week hof
shy ermine
It was 300 on Ansurek because they gutted the boss 😂
sly shore
it's like
silly
people getting genuinely upset
the worst is people saying we intentionally bugged it too
alpine wraith
i just found it funny
sly shore
first time it bugged we killed it
apparently it bugged for multiple guilds
another guild killed it bugged
you have to be some kind of freak to let a boss bugged kill from another guild affect you
alpine wraith
send the weaponized capybaras
tepid trellis
"whoops"
sly shore
was kind of impossible to wipe
fringe palm
how do you wipe the raid when the boss is literally afk
alpine wraith
run into beam
tepid trellis
scream at them until they die
fringe palm
sounds like raidleading
hazy breach
how do you wipe the raid when the boss is literally afk
Me reaction when we wiped in p2 gallywix yesterday
sly shore
people acting like we wouldn't have killed it without it bugging
it's only a matter of time
alpine wraith
i mean if you get to p2
fringe palm
cope
sly shore
saved a single raid night
alpine wraith
it would not have taken long anyway
sly shore
tepid trellis
fringe palm
it would not have taken long anyway
you get to p2 on day1 at the boss, it starts there?
tepid trellis
the fight starts in p2
sly shore
we're so fucked on reclear guys!!!
tepid trellis
xD
alpine wraith
they got the skip
sly shore
if kill is removed that's likely removed
alpine wraith
you can choose mug zee or oab
sly shore
alpine wraith
just ring the bell
sly shore
so basically it doesn't change anything
alpine wraith
round 2
sly shore
fringe palm
you can skip from heroic bosses to one mythic boss 
tepid trellis
you can skip from heroic bosses to one mythic boss <:BatChest:889018352029286421...
hey hey we made locken look like Kil'jaeden on our reclear when were on OAB still
so be nice
fringe palm
42 is really solid
tepid trellis
wouldve liked a 200 pull boss or smth
leaden prairie
anyone saying "you should've wiped" is straight up lying they wouldn't do it too
I think I would have tried to convince people to wipe, cause then everyone thinks you did it on purpose and you are shit etc, and it just feels bad
vale pine
a bit too easy
zee looks like the final boss of the tier ^^
alpine wraith
i though gally would do like 2 or 3 total destructions at the end
to make it way tigher
fringe palm
zee looks like the final boss of the tier ^^
last boss always has to be an assa boss, ofc its mugzee
alpine wraith
but he just did 1
then enrage
kinda weird
even fyrakk did 2 or 3 breath thingies
sly shore
I think I would have tried to convince people to wipe, cause then everyone think...
there is clear video evidence of us progging the entire night
vale pine
last boss always has to be an assa boss, ofc its mugzee
XD
sly shore
and every previous night
alpine wraith
and well razageth was something else
sly shore
basic investigation shows we didn't do it intentionally
if people think that, they are stupid
alpine wraith
too late already clipped an x shipped
now best thing you can do is dino emote them
🦖
tepid trellis
basic investigation shows we didn't do it intentionally
you give too much credit to the regular twitch chat yapper
they only see clip
clip is the truth
sly shore
the regular twitch chat yapper is irrelevant
fringe palm
the regular twitch chat yapper is irrelevant
no you
leaden prairie
there is clear video evidence of us progging the entire night
Even then , you know what I mean right
tepid trellis
the regular twitch chat yapper is irrelevant
well they are the ones thats gonna do the witch hunting
leaden prairie
People will say you doesn't deserve it
tepid trellis
42 is really solid
couldve been 36 but we did 6 pulls with 0 actual prep after our mug'zee kill late tuesday night
wouldve been a banger to get sub 40
fringe palm
might still be the best pull count
fringe palm
i clearly heard kpb telling them in coms to wipe, because twitch chat wont be happy
but they didnt listen
tepid trellis
that would be why i didn't hear it every time i hear kieron talk all the blood from my head goes south
0 brain activity
fringe palm
loud overweight british man is very clearly heard
big dawg innit
sly shore
I'm happy I get to do gally now
the boss fucks without planning
literally the difference a single feint makes it so funny
tepid trellis
oh the slam on pull xD
hazy breach
Feint at 2 or 3 on the pulltimer
tepid trellis
i just did at 0.9
alpine wraith
ah his first total destruction?
leaden prairie
and yet it happened
Idk I still would feel like I doesn't deserve it
So it feels bad you know
sly shore
yeah people do feel like that
hazy breach
i just did at 0.9
Technically loses you like 3 energy or whatever but who the fuck cares
leaden prairie
Sure
hazy breach
Best part about gally is that you can go get a glass of water inbetween mechanics in p2
alpine wraith
it is a very weirdly tuned boss
hazy breach
Gally p1 real good
leaden prairie
I liked that there wasn't any randomness
alpine wraith
like a midboss
alpine wraith
maybe his numbers were not that big
leaden prairie
Just straight banger I hit boss and do stuffs
alpine wraith
like maybe if the shields were stronger
fringe palm
its very wierd that a lot of mechanics that really should kill you just dont
leaden prairie
Makes it so fun to play
alpine wraith
tight as fuck too
hazy breach
its very wierd that a lot of mechanics that really should kill you just dont
And the fact that theres like a 20s pause inbetween each mechanic in p2
tepid trellis
impy im sure uknow in p2/p3 can you stay in on suppresion with just feint? i never actually tested that at all
alpine wraith
i found the mechanic of charging the bomb quite cool
tepid trellis
like max melee range
fringe palm
you dont even wipe if a bomb carrier dies
tepid trellis
type shit
fringe palm
if theres no chain reaction
alpine wraith
doesnt it do like 8 or 9 m dmg?
leaden prairie
like, hitbox and gally shoudnt be in the same sentence
The boss would feel 10 time worse if it had a normal boss hitbox
alpine wraith
maybe you can run 10y away and feint survive
fringe palm
impy im sure uknow in p2/p3 can you stay in on suppresion with just feint? i ne...
didnt try, no reason to in prog dmg was a non issue
leaden prairie
impy im sure uknow in p2/p3 can you stay in on suppresion with just feint? i ne...
Ye at max melee range or just right above it does 0 dam
hazy breach
impy im sure uknow in p2/p3 can you stay in on suppresion with just feint? i ne...
Ive tried on HC, and going of the dungeon journal it does the same damage on all difficulties
fringe palm
you probably can
leaden prairie
I was doing it in mythic
alpine wraith
ok confirmed then
tepid trellis
aite not walking out then on our reclears
leaden prairie
Just gotta be careful to not get fucked by others fire aoes
And the crackling things
alpine wraith
ah the shitties that follow them
fringe palm
you can also feint the immune soak and cloak suppresion after
leaden prairie
Cause if you take 2 damage you die
tepid trellis
just gonna chill at max melee range
fringe palm
but its a bit tight
leaden prairie
Or well cheat ez
leaden prairie
you can also feint the immune soak and cloak suppresion after
That's what I did
I don't really understand the imune soak
Or maybe we were too many in the imune soak idk
Does 0 damage
fringe palm
i did it once by accident, healer told me not to do it
after prog he said he was suprised i listned
leaden prairie
Why tho
tepid trellis
bad bomb rng
alpine wraith
think the heal absorb gets big
but if you dont take dmg after
it does not matter?
leaden prairie
The heal absorb is nothing also don't you still get it with cloak
leaden prairie
Like we were piss chilling
With the heal absorb
And I just feint and take 0 damage
Idk
Too easy phase I guess
paper iron
U 2 gud
placid wasp
I swapped off of outlaw because the high apm with a mid payout wasn't satisfying to me, is sub better in this regard ?
fringe palm
play sin
alpine wraith
sub has cool gameplay in dance
paper iron
Dont play tank outlaw or fire mage
alpine wraith
then you get ready for next
paper iron
And the apm is chill
paper iron
Im so pissed dude
sly shore
right
placid wasp
The apm to me isn't an issue, its the having to do stops with high apm and be in melee, while a boomie or dk are just planted pressing 2 buttons and doing triple my dps xd
leaden prairie
He cheated to kill mugzee
paper iron
People in my guild dont wanna play this tier
leaden prairie
Called his hackers friends
paper iron
Like the underperformance
leaden prairie
To ddos the boss
sly shore
my dad is John Blizzard
paper iron
Of some People
alpine wraith
kieron was powerless to stop the buggage
paper iron
Is absolutely outrageous
leaden prairie
I wasn't in the raid
It's a bit hard to hack it from within the raid tbf
paper iron
Yea gimme the secret to bug out mug at 30% pls
midnight geyser
What’s y’all’s take on meta for rogues in m+
sly shore
We really don't know how it bugged lol
paper iron
So we kill nxt boss
leaden prairie
Goes afk
sly shore
we still can't work it out
leaden prairie
What’s y’all’s take on meta for rogues in m+
Sin is best but sub is good on some keys
But sin is best if you are one tricking
midnight geyser
Outlaw dodo because of target cap
midnight geyser
Outlaw does good in top
leaden prairie
Even if it did similar damage why would you be killing yourself
midnight geyser
I’ve honestly
leaden prairie
Outlaw does good in top
Ok why do people think that
Outlaw is not what it was in lower target count bro