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#subtlety
lilac stag
Idk what’s worse. Me saying it or realizing that likely was on their list of ideas for how to upgrade.
keen dome
I hope they just decide to make it bracketless and like other items.
Buy item, mass iLevel quickly. bingo prizes let's go
void ocean
as long as they dont get the "you still have to kill the boss" idea, i could live with it
keen dome
If they do that it'll suck for midcore people like me
And make them pretty worthless
Still good for a lot of people, but specifclaly not me and that's sad.
lilac stag
Upgrades like every item, except you can’t skip the crests if you have meet the other upgrade bonuses.
cucked by gilded.
keen dome
Haha
void ocean
i mean, if i kill bandit mythic do I even need any dps upgrades 😄
keen dome
i mean, if i kill bandit mythic do I even need any dps upgrades 😄
haha yeah
void ocean
like gettin lego mythic bow from sylvanas, dafuq u gonna do with it
lilac stag
Look pretty
keen dome
See how quickly you can kill world mobs
void ocean
look at it for a week and cancel sub 😄
keen dome
Nah, M+ probably
void ocean
yea if u r one of those who get ce after a few weeks
keen dome
The main benefit for this system is it's giving people who only play M+ or lesser raid tiers access to critical items at max iLevle which is cool, imo
Which is a good system to have
Also as bad luck protection
void ocean
but if u needed like 3 months or so i guess ud spend the rest of the patch on Barbados or smth
limpid sage
Do we know if we’ll be getting enough dinars for 1 item straight away?
keen dome
We don't know anything yet, sadly.
Actually, no. They said we'll get two dinars in total. And an item costs 1.
But nothing since.
The vendor has been active since patch went live. Upstairs in the incontinental
lilac stag
Do we know if we’ll be getting enough dinars for 1 item straight away?
Nope. We’re just speculating worse case scenarios.
lilac stag
The vendor has been active since patch went live. Upstairs in the incontinental
Tariffs on the items! That’s why we don’t know anything yet.
keen dome
hahaa
alpine wraith
another season where arcway still has not been in rotation
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING
i have not been alive for ten thousand years to get killed by a pack of pests!
keen dome
Maw of Souls imo
alpine wraith
memento was such a meme trink
covert crane
Hey all fellow substers! I would be very thankful, if someone could point me out what I am doing wrong in m+ content.
void ocean
Hey all fellow substers! I would be very thankful, if someone could point me out...
not playing assa
haughty mural
Yo arcway would be dope
covert crane
not playing assa
I already prepared an assa spec and tested the bleed spec out couple of times.
lilac stag
bleed build is basically superior for most people
keen dome
I'm gonna do my weeklies as Sub and then maybe mess about with the Bleedy boy build
lilac stag
if you start running highest keys you start spec swapping
keen dome
It sounds fun to do massive damage
lilac stag
it’s satisfying. Plays how I would expect assa to play (not an envenom simulator)
void ocean
funny thing is I always sim 20k less as assa st, even when i add hero signet, it goes to -15k
solid lotus
there was a picture once with a screenshot of gcds within cds
was a pic of a WCL
where did that go haha
lilac stag
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
covert crane
My FoK bind is so awful, so playing assa hurts my hands.
void ocean
the only thing that puts my assa ahead in sims is when i add full mythic signet of priory
damn pvp trink
lilac stag
you do realize you can change your binds. 
Fok and Storm share bind. So idk. Same type of ability same bind across specs
void ocean
for and storm on the same bind, shift+that bind is nado
covert crane
But when playing sub you push it a lot less 😄
haughty mural
for and storm on the same bind, shift+that bind is nado
What’s that ?? Never heard of her
void ocean
got my redragon baby like 5 years ago, still works perfectly, its like 40 euros
lilac stag
I like my scimitar, but I use the mmo buttons for char movement.
lilac stag
I’d be lost without a wheel for editing
magic fog
may I ask, if my focus is M+ (high-ish keys): Versatile Onyx OR Masterful Sapphire?
haughty mural
Whatever robot tells you
magic fog
Whatever robot tells you
who is robot?
haughty mural
magic fog
and how do I use this? I tried multiple things, but I am not sure on how to configure it to fit my question - I'd like to have a BiS gear for exactly this, with gems enchants etc. etc. etc. and one other for raids 😄
lilac stag
we don’t do bis lists
You can use the ones on wowhead
use top gear to aim your gear options
and go from there with droptimizer to see what you’re largest upgrades are.
Things like what slot tier takes up can alter droptimizer (say you have 4pc with gloves) it’s more than likely 4pc with gloves as the off piece will be a better setup
magic fog
phew... so it won't show me "take this item / gem / enchant for M+ high key / this item/ gem / enchant for raid"?*
lilac stag
no. You have to use your brain.
It will offer suggestions that are usually spot on, but sims are trying to give you a list of best options.
m+ sims aren’t perfect. True ST sims don’t exist in game.
magic fog
may I ask, what is thie "brain"? jk... ha - ha 😄 I will try - thank you for the informations 🙂
void ocean
Imagine needing more than this
how often do u clean the ball inside
lilac stag
may I ask, what is thie "brain"? jk... ha - ha 😄 I will try - thank you for the...
There’s a guild on the raidbots site
I’d read that if I was you
if you run into issues most people here can give you some guidance
magic fog
Will do 🙂 thanks ❤️
lilac stag
how often do u clean the ball inside
The rollers are worse than the ball.
hollow spear
Ball? 😏
void ocean
fckin zoomers
lilac stag
It’s the bunkjunker of mice
upbeat cradle
Is there any reason to play Shuriken Tornado ? Someone in my keys told me I should be using it but I just can't think of a reason to
lilac stag
No
void ocean
chain pulls
lilac stag
delete it
void ocean
i played it a few times it was ok-ish
lilac stag
Better advice would be playing 
void ocean
its a bit disappointing that u use it when u r out of all cds
lilac stag
aoe cdr. 
void ocean
i preferred the old way when u dropped it along the everything
lilac stag
void ocean
like in SL
haughty mural
Is there any reason to play Shuriken Tornado ? Someone in my keys told me I shou...
Getting told what to pick on your spec from some rando in keys would trigger me a little bit ngl
lilac stag
I’ve always hated it. Just delete it or make it spray ruptures
upbeat cradle
Yeah especially when they kept dying to any aoe on the floor
haughty mural
What did he play ? Fury ?
lilac stag
the cadence is fucking triggering
void ocean
nothing of that would happen if u had more nado
upbeat cradle
What did he play ? Fury ?
Unholy
keen dome
Comedy moment in Mechagon where the affix goes off as the final bit fo the end boss happens and we have 10 seconds of the little guy taking 100% reduced damage lmao
Plz let blind clear them all regardless blizz
cursive vapor
lmao
lilac stag
what what
void ocean
I should probably read what affixes do this season
void ocean
12s? u mad... I stop at 10
brazen stone
this might be a dumb question but, if the rule is to always press symbols after pressing dance, why is it bad to macro symbols and dance together
lilac stag
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
hazy breach
During your second dance in cds that is not the rule
lilac stag
@hazy breach were you full sending on Rik or did you need to offset timings a bit for adds? I wasn’t getting the cadence down trying to raid sick.
void ocean
ye if u follow the exact rotation u wont do dps at all
lilac stag
I started as assa since I was in rough shape. Swapped as we got to last intermission and adds fucked us
void ocean
now I saw top parses of sub on Rik fire that "half" burst before the intermission just to finish of barrels which I skipped, I leave it for the beginning of the next phase
lilac stag
Was going to try to sort out today
haughty mural
Flag in amplifier and on cd from there, no ?
lilac stag
flag was going on pull it looked like, but idk
void ocean
well if u use it on cd u will get in on the last barrels before the intermission, i dont think u will have time for the 2nd dance there
i usually had time only for one dance and then run for hide
crystal bone
u send flag ~6s early
and u get 2nd dance for barrels
juiced sectech for em
6s before barrels spawn that is
lilac stag
For each flag?
crystal bone
u definitely have time for a 2nd flag window before first intermission
void ocean
even with 14s delay at start?
alpine wraith
you can flag 14 secs into the pull
void ocean
or i have to fire it on pull
alpine wraith
and yes you get cds after
alpine wraith
crystal bone
since its with lust
crystal bone
u still get a dance for them as well
alpine wraith
depending on DPS you may send on pull if your kill is like 5:20
lilac stag
seemed pointless to hold
random mason
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.but i dont expect a prog kill to be that fast
lilac stag
It was the set before hide and after last intermission we struggle with
alpine wraith
you get the same casts overall
lilac stag
mind sharing your log?
crystal bone
and if u send on pull u can get it
for whatever reason we private log on sundays so its hidden
void ocean
that also means Id have to hold dance for the 3rd to last barrel pack, innit?
crystal bone
that was my timings tho
hazy breach
<@212854714197344256> were you full sending on Rik or did you need to offset tim...
Holding means more barrel damage, i just sent because its fine
crystal bone
but i parsed horribly cuz i had to shadowstep to help ranged barrels
lilac stag
but i parsed horribly cuz i had to shadowstep to help ranged barrels
This is me
crystal bone
void ocean
hahaha do u guys get fucked by the zap too
lilac stag
yes
void ocean
like going to break ampli and soak it
gl parse
and no cdr as well
I dont want to be a d*ck to "accidently" bump someone instantly
crystal bone
i think its basically hold at least 1 dance for every barrel set
void ocean
upsy daisy there goes my zap, i guess i cant break ampli
lilac stag
I just wait the 10 seconds for our range to figure out they’re supposed to move.
crystal bone
only way we got the kill
lilac stag
good afk simulator
Yeah I’m trying to sort out having everything going for after last intermission.
limpid sage
The vendor has been active since patch went live. Upstairs in the incontinental
Wait we have the vendor now or do you mean on the PTR?
lilac stag
that’s where we got stuck. Had like 3 hours of total prog
keen dome
Wait we have the vendor now or do you mean on the PTR?
I'm 90% sure the vendor for the dinars is up already but I might be tihnking of the omnitoken one.
I can check after this key to be sure.
lilac stag
Holding means more barrel damage, i just sent because its fine
So basically send until last intermission and delay for that one since that’s our pain point?
frigid canopy
i keep jumping out of ptsd
tribal blade
it pretty much makes the burst rotation 50% less stressful
void ocean
pfft, pvp slackers
worn ivy
Is max ilevek pvp trinket sims higher than carda ?
brazen stone
ig i dont get how the supercharged thing works completely. would wouldnt u just cold blood sectech the first dance, why do u have to do it 2nd dance and why do u have to wait to symbols 2 seconds into the 2nd dance
pulsar hemlock
To make that second sectec as big as possible
tulip gorge
you cold blood the 2nd sectech because you are getting max flag stacks by that point
tulip gorge
tier stacks too, yeah
brazen stone
ohh thats right
the flag stacks
that makes sense
im so used to having cb macrod with sectec
thats gonna take some getting used to
tulip gorge
yeah you will need 2 keybinds
brazen stone
and what about the
using symbols 2 seconds into your 2nd dance
whats the reasoning for that
tulip gorge
you use symbols when there are less than 10 seconds before sec tech comes off cd
so you press symbols, eviscerate (the cdr will make sec tech available), then you can use the supercharged sec tech
keen dome
Wait we have the vendor now or do you mean on the PTR?
I'm dumb and wrong. I was thinking of the Curio vendor. So ignore me saying the Dinar guy was up already 🙂
copper trail
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
limpid sage
I'm dumb and wrong. I was thinking of the Curio vendor. So ignore me saying the ...
reported
btw it seems they fixed the stuck renown bug this patch
keen dome
no greater crime: being wrong on the internet. I have shamed my rogueness
keen dome
btw it seems they fixed the stuck renown bug this patch
nice
limpid sage
nice indeed
graceful crown
silly goofy ahh question, is it possible to get wax on the 2nd weapon and whetstone on the main one? or do i take the L and just put whetstone on both
limpid sage
no greater crime: being wrong on the internet. I have shamed my rogueness
You have been demoted to
lilac stag
That’s a promotion mate.
limpid sage
Not if the metric is smart and handsomeness
twilit phoenix
Not if the metric is smart and handsomeness
pulsar hemlock
What are the ideal places to go when trying to find a CE focused raid team?
The recruitment forums?
worn schooner
What are the ideal places to go when trying to find a CE focused raid team?
yea - posting your info into recruitment forumns is a great place to start.
Bonus points if you reach out and apply to teams.
twilit phoenix
Set your wcl page to “lfg”
Wcl isn’t a bad place either
Also just socialize in your m+ groups
Sometimes people get scooped up in game
clever delta
tropic pier
What are the ideal places to go when trying to find a CE focused raid team?
do you have any mythic xp
pulsar hemlock
3/8 this tier, and two CEs in DF
tropic pier
- Set wowprogress/wcl to "lfg" with a good description/logs link/contact info so guilds reach out to you
- Use warcraftlogs recruitment to find guilds that fit your hours and world rank goals and apply
- If you still didnt find a guild, hop on wowprog and start filtering hours /spam applying manually, there are a few more guilds here but it is cringe to filter
final holly
Is it possible to raid mythic without joining a different guild? I like my guild
tropic pier
Is it possible to raid mythic without joining a different guild? I like my guild
You can only do 2/8M pug runs and they usually dont take people without experience, you might get lucky with good gear and heroic logs though, or make your own group and be very picky. Leave any group that doesn't do Cauldron first.
Later in the tier its possible people will do 4/8M pug runs, but no higher and you definitely need exp on these bosses already to get in.
There are some hall of fame pug groups (invite only via discords) that do 6/8M or 8/8M on alts later in the season usually too.
tropic pier
Is it possible to raid mythic without joining a different guild? I like my guild
Really the best scenario is apply to a raiding guild and just hang out with your current guild in the guild discord or an ingame community instead.
final holly
Thats kinda sad but thank you for the honest answer
tropic pier
Frankly the mythic lockout system is too strict and the bosses are too difficult to progress with pugs unless everyone has killed it already with their guild and is on an alt.
Mythic raiding is designed for guilds only intentionally from blizzard.
brittle plinth
no greater crime: being wrong on the internet. I have shamed my rogueness
No greater achievement that acknowledging this either. Don't forget your 👑
brazen stone
can i macro my dps pot into blade or flag? or should i just have it on a seperate bind
and i assume i can just macro on use trinket with blade/flag?
slate marlin
is it me or is subt st in dungeons not crazy as good as earlier
brazen stone
havent played much sub yet but theres no way its as bad as sin single target so
im sure its aight
hazy breach
is it me or is subt st in dungeons not crazy as good as earlier
It just depends on fight length
1:55 with cds on pull? Doing amazing dps
2:55 with cds on pull? Not that great
Only got one of on a 2:30 fight because you used it on the pack before boss? Not great
fallen crescent
havent played much sub yet but theres no way its as bad as sin single target so
I’m actually getting decent st from my sin. Maybe not as much sub but still decent.
hazy breach
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
lilac stag
What are the ideal places to go when trying to find a CE focused raid team?
Recruiting discords. There’s one for NA and one for EU
When I did recruiting it was way easier to find people there. They filter and require actual achievements to enter your info into certain pools (CE, HoF, etc)
paper iron
@vale pine smallest deal in the world, your racial sim for assa send into an outlaw kir sim 
severe prism
If i track flawless form with a wa, does that mean my target have unseen blade ? or there are case i can have flawless form without unseen blade ?
honest saddle
Flawless form is what I track to make sure aoe cleave is going
severe prism
Yep i thought it'd be something important to see at all time so i made a wa for it, but since it should proc from unseen blade/fazed i thought i don't need to track that
Because it looks like it is important that i don't coup de grace without fazed 😄
I only played DS in s1 but it looks like no one is doing that anymore lol
keen dome
I really can't wait to get rid of the cryce ring. It's "Highest stat" thing annoys me when my versatility gets a tiny bit higher than mastery and I lose so much mastery. Even though it's very much a whatever and sim tells me I'm being silly.
But it makes me feel bad
lilac stag
I really can't wait to get rid of the cryce ring. It's "Highest stat" thing anno...
11.2.5 
keen dome
11.2.5 <:kekw:610125925413289985>
lilac stag
or play hunter
keen dome
whoops I lost my ring ah well better craft a 675 replacement
lilac stag
i think i'm doing gloves this week. worse case buy helm and cata
keen dome
Yep, I just did gloves.
Got belt from vault, so gloves. If I got gloves, it would've been belt.
lilac stag
i need to run one more key
keen dome
Next craft'll probably be a ring I guess. No other slots left lmao
keen dome
I hope you get belt 'cos the cualdron belt is nice
lilac stag
and I couldnt find any vers/mas gloves. just the crit/vers from mugz
keen dome
haha, double crafted versa/mast rings are simming the highest fo rme. Score.
lilac stag
well no one wants our stat in raid so usually its insta send to me lol
lilac stag
haha, double crafted versa/mast rings are simming the highest fo rme. Score.
do you have wrong gems in ring?
keen dome
Nope!
Ah, wait, no. One of them was a crit/mast ring, one is a versa/mast ring.
That makes more sense
Those sim like, 2k higher than a versa/mast crafted ring and the circlet fo rme.
lilac stag
what about crti/vers?
keen dome
Worse.
lilac stag
Most Patch 11.1.5 Corruption Enchants are < 1% Damage Increase - Revisited Horrific Visions
keen dome
A buddy pointed out that the Ring was absolutely trash until just before it went live. Maybe they'll do the same.
A last minute tune so they're worth 2 - 3% which'd be pretty big and comfy for a short-lived borrowed power to boost people up
lilac stag
and if so, how much g
couple mil
keen dome
I saw some for 2.1m the other day. Probably around that.
lilac stag
@keen dome it's amusing how close the 4 stats are getting
patent crystal
anyone have link to BoE price website?
hazy breach
wowp2w
patent crystal
thank you
keen dome
<@95119747300995072> it's amusing how close the 4 stats are getting
That's cool
keen dome
big
stark zephyr
Yo. Is this bad/good? Not sure if I should get in some versa or not
lucid jackal
idk man what doe topgear say
stark zephyr
didnt ask but i asked now ok tx
young mural
Yo. Is this bad/good? Not sure if I should get in some versa or not
probably need more vers
but do what forever dude said
just sim it
lilac stag
Yo. Is this bad/good? Not sure if I should get in some versa or not
Awful. Only 6% speed
keen dome
15% or bust
void ocean
Awful. Only 6% speed
its like he's not even tryin
lilac stag
seriously
stark zephyr
im from RP realm i like to walk
lilac stag
I’ve seen DKs move faster
stark zephyr
maybe but they trip and are still slower
void ocean
its all about the friends u make along the way
lilac stag
can’t make friends if they’re passing you by
nocturne rose
How many here have been assigned to jails on M mugzee?
feels wierd as rogue to go to jail no? (assa for this boss ofc, but subtley is home)
void ocean
bruh we thieves
its our class fantasy
tho I've been known for accidently skipping the first prison due to the opener
hazy breach
feels wierd as rogue to go to jail no? (assa for this boss ofc, but subtley is h...
Yes thats weird, since youre doing more damage hitting the boss instead
nocturne rose
thanks eleem, will be forwarding this to my RL
hazy breach
(more damage to the adds that is)
Assuming the boss is positioned correctly and you can spatter 2 targets
sullen hare
yuge
hazy breach
For the last set of jails you have to be inside it, but thats ideally when you velf (or just kill the mob natty)
hazy breach
Ye then you soak one of the earlier ones too, but just dipping out after
But idk you need some people inside anyway for the kick 
Gotta make sure you got that covered
lilac stag
just void elf out before RL realizes what’s happening
gleaming locust
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
carmine talon
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Flagellation
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Symbols of Death
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Can anyone tell me why this does everything but cast Secret Technique?
lilac plume
flag and sec tech are on the GCD
unique epoch
cause flag is on gcd
unique epoch
i personally would not macro symbol and dance together since theres cdr on dance
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.Ok cool. Im failing to understand why I wouldnt have something to just send everything at once when it all lines up instead of having to press shadow blades, flag, symbol and shadow dance on 4 diff binds in the same millisecond
Can someone school me
hazy breach
Its not supposed to be used the same millisecond
lilac plume
Do we hold Symbols for our second Dance global now that we are back to using Backstab as our first spell in Dance?
lilac plume
Keep in mind 11.1.5 is close
daring marlin
i will craft dagger + 1 more piece, do i go sub or sin
hard cipher
what would u pick? I was thinking house of cards but im not sure
alpine wraith
bold of you to ask in the sub channel
i would pick jastor or hoc depending on if you have the pvp badge or transmitter already
brazen stone
What 2nd trinket do i want as sub in keys? House of cards and?
worn ivy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bPz1cpgfhhd72iMsngS7o1 hello i try to sim enchant on weapons dephts instead of radiant power but it doesnt work how do i sim it ?
brazen stone
ty
swift tinsel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bPz1cpgfhhd72iMsngS7o1 hello i try to sim...
Did you check the Replace Existing Enchants box
sly shore
swift tinsel
Womp womp
covert pine
guys do I hold dance and symbols 15-20 secs to cast blades? 👲
potent summit
Yes
You want 2 charges Symbols for blade flag. And 2 dances. You can also have 1 dance and 35-30 secs for the 2. charge
The 30-35 secs to the 2. charge of dance will be done when you do your first dance in flag/blades window
Never cast blades or flag without the things written above
Sub is all about cd management
kind bluff
Is heroic jastors good for sub? Simmed as a 20k loss for me
covert crane
Hey all fellow substers! I would be very thankful, if someone could point me out...
Anyone? 😭 :desperate:
steel zinc
!wa
wicked joltBOT
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> smallest deal in the world, your racial sim for assa send ...
sry, was not on pc all day
will update in 5-10 minutes
paper iron
all g, as i said it s the least deal in the world, but i found out that while looking arround your work 
vale pine
👍 thanks for letting me know, i started the sim, should be finished soon-ish
tidal marsh
Abused a bug granting premature access to a second Fortune Crafted item, yes.
limpid sage
how come it didn't show up on any of my other parses then
when the person was still in the group
vale pine
haha, so true
and the kill logs is when you get fucked by mechanics or make mistakes ^^
trail bison
and the kill logs is when you get fucked by mechanics or make mistakes ^^
me on hc mug’zee
every.. single.. time.. 
upper narwhal
me on hc mug’zee
99% on a 2% wipe, 90% on kill. I was smiling so hard rlly smiling
dreamy mesa
!sims
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trail bison
99% on a 2% wipe, 90% on kill. I was smiling so hard rlly smiling
The 2% wipe you get no mechs, the 90% you get 2 icicles and all the soaks 
upper narwhal
The 2% wipe you get no mechs, the 90% you get 2 icicles and all the soaks <:LUL:...
literally, and having to run ranged to soak mine pops cuz ranged might be clueless
trail bison
Its like were in the same raid group
dreamy mesa
@vale pine best talents for sub?
upper narwhal
<@194804407706189824> best talents for sub?
!fuu
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vale pine
<@194804407706189824> best talents for sub?
Just use these everywhere:
> Open Talent Calc <
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paper flame
stiff spear
I'm finally free of the Transmitter 🙌
patent crystal
+1 luck big
keen dome
Always be flippin'. The best luck
wild hornet
The 2% wipe you get no mechs, the 90% you get 2 icicles and all the soaks <:LUL:...
yeah i got all mechanics 2nd pull
first one was a 1.2% wipe
couldnt solo it xd
raw wadi
are we not doing Sstrike -> Vanish -> Flag -> Rupture -> Dance anymore?
i thought it was like this at the beginning for season 2
raw wadi
but for me it feels better because SnD
like back to back proccs in the first dance feel way better
swift tinsel
you don't really gain much from a couple seconds of snd
lilac plume
In M+, when you get to AoE for extended periods and run out of Symbols, is Dance + Tech a thing?. Feels super bad to do both of them without Symbols but I get the impression its a waste not to use them when they recharge so fast with AoE.
odd sandal
guys any Weakaura enjoyers know how to setup condition "do you have supercharger combo points? Yes? Then ->"?
twilit phoenix
guys any Weakaura enjoyers know how to setup condition "do you have supercharger...
what would you use this WA for?
rain hazel
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swift tinsel
iirc its something just like Charged Combo Point under Power
odd sandal
what would you use this WA for?
reminder to use Symbols of death pre pull
I always forget
twilit phoenix
ah interesting
swift tinsel
odd sandal
https://wago.io/1N-_8fnRf
i love you bro
proper fulcrum
Thanks for that hap, nice
haughty rose
yo this has been asked probably a ton but i can't find it in the search bar.
with deathstalker, how do i line up finality with darkest night again if rupture is up and above 8 seconds and ST is on cd? do i use black powder on single target or do i try to get a no full combopoint evis?
haughty rose
Also would highly advise against deathstalker
isn't it supposed to be better on pure single target?
vale pine
its about equal
odd sandal
when it's worse everywhere
sigma behaviour
twilit phoenix
plain quest
!macro
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Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.oh, i thought chuffa's improvements made them more equal
nvm
it was a april's fool joke
🙃 i fell for it
okay disregurd what i mentioend, deathstalker is slightly worse
quasi portal
free from sprocket prison, now to bench/bandit prison
keen dome
finally pink on vexie
Hell yeah!
hollow spear
I don't know about this dagger. It might be another socket (I already have the Vexie trinket).
twilit phoenix
I don't know about this dagger. It might be another socket (I already have the V...
Pissmaker kinda pog for sin?
hollow spear
Yeah, that's the other angle I could take
twilit phoenix
Only if you’re planning on playing it I guess
hollow spear
Eventually on Mug
hollow spear
Don't want to piss away my crests on a trinket I don't use on Sub rn
twilit phoenix
Might be bis?
hollow spear
For sin?
twilit phoenix
Ya
hollow spear
It's up there for sure
twilit phoenix
Outside of mythic kezan ofc
hollow spear
that's like Eleem looting the bis delve trinket on heroic back to back
in his first runs of each season
twilit phoenix
I got lucky this season and got sussy beverage week one
vale pine
in his first runs of each season
lucky ^^
hollow spear
Pissmaker kinda pog for sin?
But definitely not the dagger right?
This week would be #5 rik without dagger in a row
twilit phoenix
But definitely not the dagger right?
Deffo a sim angle I’d guess, but dagger is crit mast right?
worthy relic
it was a april's fool joke
im sorry AJJAJ
twilit phoenix
idk would feel kinda bad to take a dagger from vault
since there are two good ones from raid
with perf stats for sub + sin
worthy relic
when u responded i thougth u were playing along lol
paper iron
This week would be #5 rik without dagger in a row
i still dont get the dagger
killing rik since week 1
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
ruby spear
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formal spindle
i thought Eye of Kezan is really strong on sub
paper iron
it is
formal spindle
cause Funhouse lens with Energy drink sims more than Eye
paper iron
eyes need like 6mn to overperform others trinkets
it s the way it is designed
so eye will probably beat any of your trinkets if you do 6+mn sims
formal spindle
yea, thanks 🙂
vale pine
i thought Eye of Kezan is really strong on sub
it is rly good if fight lenghs are long
if fights are very short, it becomes mediocre
but
paper iron
and quick addition, the trinket is great in m+. Unusable in top and ws. Unusable in pug when the tank take a coffee break after each pulls. But with a good group and if you know you ll chain a lot / have a reazlly little downtime, then eye is great
Oh yea and also, get yourself an on use trinket !
lilac stag
i still dont get the dagger
Our hunters and the bow
formal spindle
it is rly good if fight lenghs are long
thanks alot 🙂 I should farm PvP trinket
vale pine
its not that hard to farm
so def. suggest it if you have no way to get your hands on house of cards.
formal spindle
yea, np for me. With House of cards there is no luck for me
droped 2 today but low rolls on them 😄
formal spindle
yea
paper iron
but yea, pvp trinket isnt that hard to farm, you can get it in less than couple hour i think
formal spindle
yea i didnt knew how good it is for sub
paper iron
sub is really all about the all in during burst, so having a stat on use that have less than 90s cd is very big important
twilit phoenix
and quick addition, the trinket is great in m+. Unusable in top and ws. Unusable...
Holy embed fail
Rest in piss
wary cloak
so my vers and mast are pretty similar do I care if windsingers gives one over the other? not even sure how I would sim the delta
twilit phoenix
You have to sim the sigma
The difference would also be like barely .1-.2%
wouldn’t be surprised if it was less
wary cloak
You have to sim the sigma
alpha
warm depot
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random mason
yea i didnt knew how good it is for sub
it was like 1% worse than HoC for my char
at 658
formal spindle
wow, thats good
honest jewel
yaay, that was a stressful run
final holly
It's crazy how mid HoC actually is for us, there basically isn't any good on use this tier when you consider that a trinket from last tier and a PvP item that's capped 20 ilvls under are super competitive
hazy breach
Well theres literally no good trinket for anybody
hazy breach
Ok ye the priory one is good
random mason
signet is kinda cool
formal spindle
and another thing is that almost all good trinkets share loot pool with other classes like int/str/
random mason
cause it's adaptive
hazy breach
Signet is just a worse version of skardyn from last tier
formal spindle
so whole raid just need on damn trinket
random mason
Signet is just a worse version of skardyn from last tier
yes but you could also use signet as a crit or haste or vers on use
idk if any spec does tho
hazy breach
Yeye but numerically its just weak
alpine wraith
yea the group things props it up a little
but not hugely
like at moast 0.4 or 0.5%
and that is taking into account all 5 people pop it at the same time
proper latch
My myth tack pacemaker sims better than Kezan even on 6 minutes 😕
alpine wraith
actually if anyone has an override for it send it
kezan is more swingy too
it can stack surprisingly fast
but also M kezan is where its at
665 one for sub wont be stellar
so M pacemaker makes sense to be better
proper latch
Yeah, sometimes I get a stack the moment a fight begins
alpine wraith
we dont have execute or anything to prop the value
proper latch
Sometimes it's like 10 seconds
alpine wraith
like warr/hunt/mage etc
maybe it is time to give execute to sub copium
uses "finishers" mastery "executioner"
execute where?
time to make alpha SL sepsis back
time to send ToP +18 home
random hare
boomkin
proper latch
Did you time 19 ML yesterday?
coarse agate
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leaden prairie
<a:pepeBASS:929004504920252416> time to send ToP +18 home
outlaw comp?
bleak night
thin sinew
Anyone know the value of a vault socket? only reason i'm asking as according to sims it's a dps loss over no socket at all xD margin but still
thin sinew
yeh that's what i'm thinking but hey 5-7k dps ish then good to know when you've got a tragic vault
thanks
paper iron
<a:pepeBASS:929004504920252416> time to send ToP +18 home
wet dream
hallow yacht
I am having issues with my AoE rotation. I can't really seem to break anything over 6m DPS. It's the same as single target, yes? Instead of using evic, you just use BP?
hazy breach
Not quite
hallow yacht
During SD? So, while in SD.. SS, BP, Storm, BP,?
hazy breach
If theres 7 or more targets yes
lilac stag
Don’t ignore Sectech / coup
hazy breach
It would be strike > sectech > storm > bp
hallow yacht
Right, use that at the optimal times.
lilac stag
The optimal time is after strike
proper fulcrum
Is storm only on second builder in SD? Then back to SS, or just keep it storm?
proper fulcrum
Makes sense
Thanks Eleem
Thanks ravenholdt and all of rogue TC and wow and steak
lilac stag
but I’d def suggest trying bleeder build assa
hallow yacht
I also read that there are times when there are 7+ targets. but there is a priority one, to just use the Single target rotation until thnat's down?
proper fulcrum
I think i'd rather die IRL than play Sin
Straight up
But we'll wait to see if Sub gets love in next patch notes, if not might be forced to swap sadge
lilac stag
It’s fun and I’m a sub rogue enjoyer.
proper fulcrum
Yeah i've played it, not a big fan
hallow yacht
I honesly prefer sub the least.
lilac stag
fair enough
hallow yacht
I think assassin is the easiest, Outlaw I enjoy the APM, Sub comes off as needing a PHD to paly well
proper fulcrum
Bleed build so strong though, undeniable, might push me into it regardless of what I like 😛
hazy breach
I think assassin is the easiest, Outlaw I enjoy the APM, Sub comes off as needin...
People overthink it a lot as well. If you just do the opener listed in the guides and then do it again 90s later youre like 85% there
But its hard to just "vibe learn" it ye, because its not all intuitive
lilac stag
it’s also irritating when packs just vanish and you’re trying to get your cadence for cds.
but that’s just the learning curve.
random mason
Or when tank pulls half a pack
Waits until you just popped all cds
And then starts walking
slate marlin
I hate that
they pull small
wait for more
thres no more, so pop cds
cds end, pull more
fk off
random mason
To be fair i only did some practice 6s and hc raid so far
rain swallow
what do you guys think about sub rogues performance in higher keys? like 14 and up
random mason
But the amount of 3 mobs pulls for like 30s so i finally pop cds and then they suddenly pull 6 more
rain swallow
i feel like i cant compete with the boomies and unholy's the higher the key level gets
kinda demotivating
misty condor
Has anyone else noticed in delves, during shadow dance, enemies will not target you at all if Brann is alive?
alpine wraith
has been like that forever dance drops you off the aggro table
that is also why we sucks at using tricks
oh and sec tech also does not transfer aggro well with tricks
misty condor
Then did they change his Healer kiting AI? It feels like he drags the mobs around way more than at the beginning of the season, I don't remember it being this bad
hallow yacht
i feel like i cant compete with the boomies and unholy's the higher the key leve...
I am seeing this as well. Is assass better for 12+?
brisk creek
is it better to use house of cards or gladiators badge of ferocity during burst window like whats higher prio to put in my big button macro
i have them both in there but which one should i order first cause it puts badge on 20s cd
rain swallow
I am seeing this as well. Is assass better for 12+?
I think so but id rather play outlaw than ass thats for sure
hazy breach
i have them both in there but which one should i order first cause it puts badge...
Get literally anything else
brisk creek
wat
hazy breach
But house of cards with cd
hazy breach
Replace your pvp trinket with anything else
muted oriole
Anyone knows why ass is performing better than sub on raid despites the sims being better for sub? i'm tempted to swap, hold me back pls
brisk creek
eye of kazan?
hazy breach
You want 1 stat on-use
hazy breach
Having two is horrid
brisk creek
ok ty
hazy breach
So yes kezan is fine alongside hoc
north niche
When can i get rid of my siren ring?
lilac stag
Never
north niche
ahhh i see! Thanks
hazy breach
Nah you can replace it when you get ~670 rings
north niche
with BiS stats?
lilac stag
Legit just sim it.
north niche
yeah i guess I'll sim it. cuz im inspecting people doing 13-15 keys with siren on and i figured there might me another reason (other than dps wise).
hazy breach
People dont have 2 670 rings
lilac stag
I have one 678. Nothing beats siren currently. 
Tis why we use top gear.
lilac stag
Yeah. Idk. Simming what we are killing. Weird.
wicked urchin
proud of this one gang
bleak night
yeah make sure to shroud and stand on the bm hunter prepull
makes it so that their beastial wrath doesnt get cdr for some reason
weary saffron
what a strange one
potent relic
shrouds are bricking bm hunters apparently?
is this a real bug lol
weary saffron
bm hunter in my raid began to believe so after enough pre pulls of trying so asked not to shroud
obviously no issue there but yeah, seems like it might be
theres a second thing happening to scuff the same thing though I guess
thick temple
PSA on third boss DFC don't cloak to clear statues if the statues are in the wax puddles bc cloak disables the mechanic
I've never had a more polite brick before everyone just said gg and left party and I was alone and scared and embarrassed
steel horizon
I have one 678. Nothing beats siren currently. <:dracthyr_shrug:1002454156751151...
weird. my 658 heroic rings from priory and ToP beat out my cyrces
wait lol i didnt even realize that bis gems for cyrces changed at one point. im still using the same ones from like week 2 siren isle LOL
bleak night
is this a real bug lol
it do be real
and if they open with barbed shot instead of beastial wrath it'll sometimes consume both stacks
so its double bugged
jaunty heath
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maiden oar
whats the play in stix when u get targeted for ball when u have flag up
do u just flag immediately after ball or try to line it up with adds and hold it
i assume u send immediately but idk!
night glacier
How much harder is sub to assassin?
lucid jackal
whats the play in stix when u get targeted for ball when u have flag up
Cry
quick comet
How much harder is sub to assassin?
just different. assassination all about dot maintenance, sub all about blowing right sequence of moves in short windows, then having patience to manage your CDs for the next window
patent lichen
i have attained serenity
rocky ocean
Too much haste
short radish
PSA on third boss DFC don't cloak to clear statues if the statues are in the wax...
wait wtf this is a thing? that explains so much
i knew i was stupid but i wasnt that stupid to miss all 3
wild hornet
On average at how many minutes does kezan equal itself to the rest of the trinkets
proper fulcrum
From my sims it tends to perform better around the 6 min mark
wild hornet
From my sims it tends to perform better around the 6 min mark
Do you do the kezan sims specifically just with st or with hectic cleave too
proper fulcrum
ST
iron obsidian
i assume i would want mastery gems in my gear for my embellishment to do shadow damage, right?
well onyx gems
rocky ocean
fallow nimbus
median nacelle
i assume i would want mastery gems in my gear for my embellishment to do shadow ...
doesnt matter
marble ledge
I'm gonna say it, First Dance pisses me off in M+
Buggy as shit and takes too long and that's IF it starts counting down when you actually enter stealth. God forbid the tank pulls the boss when you have one second left.
Being obligated to enter the next pull several seconds after it's pulled or have sub par damage is so shitty.
cloud rover
proud of this one gang
You are Proud of this,
im proud of this
we are not the same
lilac stag
weird. my 658 heroic rings from priory and ToP beat out my cyrces
You’ve got 2/3 of the wrong gems inserted.
bleak night
You are Proud of this,
im proud of this
we are not the same
i improved my 19 parse as sub on rik to a 42 yesterday
median nacelle
Buggy as shit and takes too long and that's IF it starts counting down when you ...
u shouldnt play around it, its just nice when u have it - i do agree it could start counting as soon as combat is over and mby a 3-4 second timer
cloud rover
i improved my 19 parse as sub on rik to a 42 yesterday
Chad
rocky ocean
u shouldnt play around it, its just nice when u have it - i do agree it could st...
it would be op af
median nacelle
i dont think itll be op
shell bramble
!fuu
steel zinc
!fuu
vale pine
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steady dune
wait lol i didnt even realize that bis gems for cyrces changed at one point. im...
damn, thanks for pointing this out, aparently i have been using the wrong gems for the past 4 weeks wondering why my parses were shit
quick sim shows a 2.3% increase just swapping the gems outlol
void ocean
ahaha that happened to me too, I just figured it out 2 weeks ago
I actually had the ring replaced because it got beaten in sims by 2 4/6 Hero rings
then I put the right ones and now its back on the table
atm its beating 675 craft ring which is weird
lilac stag
haha oh I did call you out unintentionally
675 crafted is 1900 dps increase for me. Ain’t no way I’m sending crests on that right now.
I wonder how many people try outlaw and don’t notice the gem swaps
highest sub parse on bunken has the shield gem
void ocean
i think what confused me was that "type" every gem gas so I probably just read the left side and was like yup got it 😄
lilac stag
ye
void ocean
i do have those brainfarts from time to time
lilac stag
my migraines been so bad last 48 hours I know we raided Tuesday, I don’t remember wtf we did
So yeah life and brain farts be real
void ocean
that happens to me when I have my whisky induced game nights, i wake up having +500 rio not even knowing what keys i did
good times
lilac stag
Whisky would have made it better. Haha
Going to try to go through our timings this morning again for Rik to figure out which adds I need to actually hold for
haughty rose
anyone in here beat the underpin on ?? already? which ilv were you, which talents and what curios did you use? also brann as healer with tricks of the trade right?
iron fjord
anyone in here beat the underpin on ?? already? which ilv were you, which talent...
i think i was around 660? Didn't matter alot i think. Healer brann yes, not sure about tricks. That fight needs some tries
haughty rose
i think i was around 660? Didn't matter alot i think. Healer brann yes, not sure...
tricks always feels a bit buggy especially for the underpin. as soon as i stop damaging him and go for the adds i get full aggro again. don't know if bug or not
void ocean
do we want to trick bran healer?
I mean, he is quite stupid, so he dies fast
then theres nobody to heal u xD
haughty rose
do we want to trick bran healer?
i always did it in T11 delves. as soon as i learned that it became a walk in the park
sturdy cliff
It’s easier to control add spawn if you have aggro. Brann gets a bit wild sometimes.
fallow nimbus
Man, why did nobody tell me that the voidelf port is like funny and also usefull?
- race sim says it's not the worst
jaunty umbra
dps racial used to be buggy with sub, not sure if fixed yet
void ocean
u can only assume where u will end
lilac stag
Man, why did nobody tell me that the voidelf port is like funny and also usefull...
I did. On the ptr when it changed.
They also have the best racial in the game. Reduced Transmog Cost.
keen dome
They also have the best racial in the game. Reduced Transmog Cost.
They should add Ethereals and give that to them instead >:D
But I know for a fact it's gonna be like, free void storage lmao
lilac stag
I wish they had a few more hair styles, colors etc for VE
There’s like 73638595 for BE and 7 for VE
lilac stag
It super fast and easy to see
void ocean
boooy look at it go
still, among the fucktons of adds or some crazy mechs
would be a bit of a gamba
loooool, it got blocked by the smallest curb in history of curbs, maybe ever...
lilac stag
it’s good for out of combat stuff (respawn in m+ and running back). In raid it does have a little Killing Spree type feel of fuck please don’t kill me.
I think it’s saved me more than it’s not.
paper iron
They also have the best racial in the game. Reduced Transmog Cost.
REALLY? swapping rn
graceful rock
I got house of cards because the person who was supposed to win it was locked out already
God is good
icy viper
anyone in here beat the underpin on ?? already? which ilv were you, which talent...
throwback thursday
i did it at 657
graceful rock
anyone in here beat the underpin on ?? already? which ilv were you, which talent...
The biggest tips I can give you are to bind you interact key so you don’t have to click the bombs, and kite him around the walls of the arena
hexed sluice
I'm down to 7% at 658, but haven't had time to go back for it last two weeks, rocking just my raid build. It's more tactics and playing the mechanics proper than a dps check like zekvir, I've just saved a dance symbols sectech combo for every shield and it seems to just rip it apart
icy viper
use three dimensional bio printer and automatic footbomb dispenser, dont put tricks on brand and put this in console to get longer interact range
/console SoftTargetInteractArc 2
/console SoftTargetInteractRange 30
went from 60% pulls to 30% the moment i put that in
also should change some stuff on tree, 1 hr tricks -> lower cd on blind (u can blind ads), 20% shadowstep distance, atrophic poison etc
random mason
I got house of cards because the person who was supposed to win it was locked ou...
Tanks keep winning it in my raids 
Last week a tank took it for champ to hero upgrade
This week another tank won it
Then i did normal 30 man pug and it didn't even drop
cobalt vector
Why are ur tanks getting prio on dps trinkets? Or is it just a need/greed roll in ur guild.
marsh aspen
hazy breach
No you still eviscerate
Only thing we do to play around the tierset is to not finish ~10s or so before flag+blades is ready
The 15% chance to lose the set is low enough that its not worth to play around more than that on average
crystal bone
nice the raid charts are in that blizzard uses to balance, perhaps they revert the last 2 sub nerfs now
slate marlin
Wdym, its obviously a nerf fury and buff starfall angle
tribal blade
damn look at all those rogues
tribal blade
surely less play rate = more attention to drive more people to the class
hazy breach
The raid chart is more likely to be acted upon really
But sub isnt doing too hot on those either 
tribal blade
sub rogue truly not domming but subbing the raid chart 😉
lilac stag
damn look at all those rogues
Now show sub
tribal blade
Now show sub
sorry i don't have a magnifying glass big enough
hazy breach
Assa looks ok on the raid chart, so i wouldnt expect it to get any changes really
tribal blade
although sub play rate is higher compared to previous seasons
lilac stag
my eyes are bleeding too
lilac stag
although sub play rate is higher compared to previous seasons
Give it one more week
wait for bleed to populate
hazy breach
But if they do a balance tuning pass and sub gets nothing i'd be very surprised (and dissapointed)
keen dome
Can't wait for our buffs
tribal blade
yeah sub in the bottom quarter is no bueno
keen dome
What do you think they'll buff, out of interest, Eleem?
lilac stag
BP
tribal blade
where's the BP meme
keen dome
Just an aura buff overall?
tribal blade
there it is
lilac stag
Deathstalker
keen dome
Or something specific (More Nimble?)
tribal blade
if they buff DS i'm out
lilac stag
I wish it was a meme
hazy breach
What do you think they'll buff, out of interest, Eleem?
What i think theyll buff: BP
What i hope theyll buff: Literally anything else
lilac stag
DS has zero play. Our AOE is bad
crystal bone
lilac stag
easy targets
tribal blade
i would like to see sectec and evis buffs
lilac stag
I’d like to see Sectech not shit itself
hazy breach
But ye probably eviscerate
tribal blade
evis now has the double effect of buffing nimble too
keen marten
How hard does the second sectec Hits on average in CDs?
Kinda curious if it hits harder as the big evenom in lingering with shiv
hazy breach
Envenom is only like 20M is it not
lilac stag
@tribal blade you need to update your role
sinful marten
why do most people play sub in raid when assa and outlaw have more dmg on each boss?
keen dome
Maybe they can replace our class icon with BP too
lilac stag
why do most people play sub in raid when assa and outlaw have more dmg on each b...
Most do not. It’s boss dependent.
keen marten
Sectec shadow do hit 2 or 3 times?
hazy breach
3, +blades
keen marten
Ah blades
hazy breach
Its like 25m or so usually, slightly higher when its not on pull because of tier
lilac stag
outlaw is a meme that you have to actually be ok playing killing spre. Assa is arguably better on everything but Rik and maybe gally
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> you need to update your role
uh how do i do that again
lilac stag
uh how do i do that again
Last pin in both channels
keen marten
Mh need to check if I am home
Sectec should hit way higher as evenom, is what I am thinking
Sub = spec with the big hits
Sin = spec with the dots
Outlaw = mister consistent
(Imo at least)
tribal blade
although bleed sin is fucking awesome in keys, i love it
keen marten
although bleed sin is fucking awesome in keys, i love it
It does make fun, and I am always surprised by my St boss dam compared to KB builds
KB is such a trap ability nowadays
hazy breach
Mh need to check if I am home
Sectec should hit way higher as evenom, is what I ...
Well ye thats how we think it should be, but not how it is when assa envenom is doing 35% of its damage
keen marten
(Still love this spell tho)
lilac stag
Blindside is good.
hazy breach
Bleed build feels way more like assa to me, which is why its fun
lilac stag
Extra ambush cps is good
keen marten
And blindside is always good to have
keen marten
Well ye thats how we think it should be, but not how it is when assa envenom is ...
Yea, make bleed build the raid build 👀
And give evis and sectec the giga dam it does deserve
tribal blade
Bleed build feels way more like assa to me, which is why its fun
agree 100%
my group tried a 15 ToP today and wanted me to play sub but our enhance wasn't there
so they pugged a dev evoker
and i had no skyfury
we failed the key
and i told them after never again
i'm not playing sub without skyfury
absolutely miserable
keen marten
But I have to say sub feels very good on some keys with a lot of prio target dmg
Idk why but feels good to play sub in priory for example
All those big guys before first boss are mine
tribal blade
(we didn't fail the key because i was playing sub, we lost a bunch of time of everyone dying on 1 pull)
tribal blade
But I have to say sub feels very good on some keys with a lot of prio target dmg...
haha try playing sin in there
just as much prio if not more
keen marten
Did not yet with bleed build I think
tribal blade
and way more aoe
WAY more aoe
on every single pull
been playing bleed build for ~1 week or so now and i'm competing with the meta specs in dps every key
sometimes crushing them
keen marten
Need to try, I am not sure if it does better damage to the big guys before first boss, but need to check
Can say, sub felt good
crystal bone
been playing bleed build for ~1 week or so now and i'm competing with the meta s...
yep i agree, i keep up with unh dk on overall
keen marten
been playing bleed build for ~1 week or so now and i'm competing with the meta s...
Yea played some keys with it, definitely is a lot of fun and damage.
Just didn't played prio with it
tribal blade
Need to try, I am not sure if it does better damage to the big guys before first...
sin prio is very good
lilac stag
sometimes crushing them
Get a priest with PI
tribal blade
yep i agree, i keep up with unh dk on overall
HELL yeah
crystal bone
in like 14s and up u also get 2 deathmarks on bosses
and one is typically in execute
so it does well
and not tank damage
tribal blade
good thing about sin is you can sit on DM for quite a long time
and it doesn't fuck your overall much
if you wanna be conservative to make sure you have it for bosses
hazy breach
Assa burst prio is very similar to sub, and outside of burst its significantly higher than sub
crystal bone
demise works so well for restealthing too lol
tribal blade
sin does that prio while also doing huge aoe
keen marten
True
tribal blade
sub you choose to cap yourself by prioing
keen marten
Kk
crystal bone
i still prefer to play sub for the 2nd half of ToP and floodgate
but like everything else is bleed sin
tribal blade
i play sin in floodgate now, it's nuts
crystal bone
except maybe workshop
tribal blade
sin is really good in floodgate
crystal bone
i like to swap after the kelp pack in floodgate
i love sub for swamp boss, bubbles, and last boss
but honestly my best bleedsin pull on swamp boss was 1.8m so like its actually decent lol
my best sub pull was 2.2m
keen marten
Okay, was about to say if you loose some time is sounds almost like not worth it
keen marten
But with just a couple of sec def worth
hazy breach
u can almost beat the rp
You can start the rp before the kelp is dead too btw
crystal bone
oh really, like a meld?
hexed bluff
Us normies appreciate you all and your large brains. You all really be doing the work that matters 😘
crystal bone
might not even be worth swapping period i just enjoy it
if u blow deathmark on kelp u can gain a cd reset going in with flag which is neat
keen marten
I mean I might still be worth it
Yea and you prob do better dmg on both bosses + the blub guy
Other than that there are like 2-3 trash pulls?
crystal bone
yea well in a perfect scenario my group doesnt fail the bubbles skip
which we've failed 4 times
keen marten
😂😂😂
crystal bone
his %efficiency isn't terrible tho so its not a huge deal if u can kill before every1 runs out of defensives
this is where sub comes in
crimson meteor
!log
whole lichen
!up
