subtlety

[hazy breach]

But ye, outside cds

[lilac stag]

nah, just manually press snd

evis a dps loss now

[alpine wraith]

it is same duration kinda

just triple goremaw dmg as god intended

so now we can cleave a 20m dmg hit

[elfin hound]

finally got house of cards and macro'd it to shadow blades. did you notice some weird usage where cards dont go off and sometimes it does?

[lilac stag]

supercharge Goremaw somehow

[hazy breach]

No, do you have it on a bar thats swapping with stealth

(aka you havent put the macro on your stealth bar)

[elfin hound]

genius

[alpine wraith]

actually i havent checked in like 1 month if goremaw cleaves

lets see before poe2 begins

nope still does not cleave

[lean cradle]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[lean cradle]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[worn ivy]

sitting in que at for 5hr already

Z invite for subtlety

ty blizz

[lilac stag]

friends from last season stop playing?

[worn ivy]

they will play again end of season

i love when people like this dog still try to say something

[lilac stag]

what? you had friends I asked if theyre not playing. get off your high horse

[neat gate]

!log

[alpine wraith]

tbh i would wait until next patch at least to push

[lilac stag]

probably costs less more fun gearing options with corruption.

[trail ginkgo]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[gritty knot]

[jaunty umbra]

good dps boomkin

[gritty knot]

hahaha, damn. That would've been the perfect comeback

[paper iron]

which would be weird cuz mages prefer to not play fire but they keep making fire a bit ahead every patch

[hazy breach]

Well thats because mages have 2 specs besides their sub

Arcane is usually nerfed/the others are buffed whenever its the best

[paper iron]

arcane is either not good enough at bursting, or too good and help rwf to cheese

good design

(same design as sub rn and it s not too good enough)

i feel like

[hazy breach]

Ye

Also usually complicated

[paper iron]

meh arcane really felt like current sub when i played it early df (i think?)

spam buttons in correct order during cds

and just spend ressources outsid

but anyway, difficulty is different for everyone

[hollow spear]

Mages prefer frost so they can play ez mode

[lucid jackal]

I feel like every mage just wants to play fire

[whole lichen]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hollow spear]

I'm thinking about making a fire mage alt

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/buzzlight-year-gif-23473774

[jaunty umbra]

I feel like that's dk rn

every mf group has one

[bleak night]

ive seen a few frost mages

[paper iron]

i have to say again

[bleak night]

but thats in weekly 10s not real keys

[paper iron]

fire mage is fucking fun to play rn

so good

maybe too good

[bleak night]

what does fire do

[paper iron]

too much ib resets

u spam 3 buttons

[bleak night]

you just jump and press fire blast right

[paper iron]

at 85 apm

the dps rotation is totally brainded, but then u have to rotate with 6 defensives and multiples cc and stuff in your toolkit

[bleak night]

no i dont

they dont do damage so they arent on my bars

[paper iron]

(which is not true in big teams cuz they got babysitted and they aint wasting a gcd in bust / hypotermia)

i really think

[bleak night]

they'll just find a lamp to stand on or something

and avoid 100% of mechanics

[paper iron]

fire mage is absolutely trash in low key (as below 16) and in pug

like there is a difference at some point when u dont hold bust at any moment, meanwhile in 13 14 rn i just gotta hold bust every end of pack and yea, mage outside of bust does sub damage

[lucid jackal]

For m+ sure

Our entire raid has 0 dks except our dk main guy

[paper iron]

our 2 dks rerolled ww this tier

[void ocean]

yea, those fuckin sub 16 peanut keys 😄

[paper iron]

wasnt trying to be arrogant or anything, i havent timed a 16 myself. I just watch lot of hopefull / wildi / asuna cuz i like the mage pov, and i can see the diff between sending 3 bust in a pack, and having to hold your bust half the time

[kind egret]

How are you guys tracking first dance? Is it in your packs?

[kind egret]

Get it solved through a friend, nvm.

[twilit phoenix]

Having to hold it in when you wanna bust sucks fr fr

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-meme-funny-face-gif-18374345

[bleak night]

You don’t deserve that Charlie Brown pfp

[misty condor]

Is this enough mastery

[waxen spire]

does the APL handle the pvp burst trinket correctly?

[azure mauve]

fire mage is cool

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/023/194/cover1.jpg

arcane and frost on the left

fire on the right

[hazy breach]

It lines it up with flag and blades yes

[waxen spire]

ty

[chrome palm]

its a good start

[young mural]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[old anchor]

is pacemaker more optimal for m+ than eye?

[brisk onyx]

maybe

[old anchor]

in terms of uptime if tank is not pulling either massive or without little breaks

[tribal blade]

yes infinitely better

eye will be better if you play around it perfectly

which is a huge ask

[sharp kernel]

so when do we get aoe buffs

so i'm not at 9mill

while others are at like

12

[shadow lance]

Quick question boyz, do we sit on coup in 7+ targets ?

[tribal blade]

no never

always send coup no matter the target count

[shadow lance]

That's what I thought

@vale pine Maybe put a little note in wowhead guide about it ?

[tribal blade]

looks like i'll be playing mostly sin in keys from now on

unless they buff sub

https://youtu.be/AavVfnlqHow?si=JO6IiU7J2WpGOhc6&t=1547

anyone know how killing 2 yes men at the same time works

oh nvm apparently it didn't work lol

[azure notch]

guys whats more important mastery or vers?

[fleet acorn]

Sim

[rocky ocean]

Friendship

[tribal blade]

sim will want mastery for aoe, bit more vers for st

but can't go wrong either way

[daring marlin]

when using badge trinket, do we wait for 30 seconds for cds or send it every 1 minutes

[willow bobcat]

cdS

[keen dome]

You wait. Pretend it's a 1:30 trinket, not a 1:00.

You can macro it to blades and it'll take care of itself.

[round latch]

for them managing bust is pivotal to time the key,for the common pug firemage holding bust is kinda trolling

diff game^^

[spark plover]

@random hare this is you ?

[leaden prairie]

yes

can confirm

[limpid sage]

huge QoL just dropped

unless it's only outlaw where it works like this

[rocky ocean]

spaghetti code 🍝

[limpid sage]

ye it's also for sub rogue

feelsgoodman

[bleak wind]

it has nothing to do with QoL though and it only affects oulaw, rather negatively

[tribal blade]

wait i never heard of that, outlaw was able to cast coup back to back?

[bleak wind]

yes

[tribal blade]

lol outlaw hacking again

2 seasons in a row

[bleak wind]

with enough haste during AR since the gcd is 0.8

[tribal blade]

ahhhhhh ok i see

oh ok is this why outlaw's output has been so good recently

[bleak wind]

it was a big factor ye

[tribal blade]

is this like the situation where sub was double dipping shadow amps

sectec*

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[bleak wind]

its not the same thing but I guess kinda same implications?

you could get extra flawless form stacks + extra cdr

[tribal blade]

i meant kind of like that situation where it gets fixed and it's essentially a nerf

[bleak wind]

oh yea

[tribal blade]

oh that's actually insane for outlaw yeah

[bleak wind]

its 5% nerf

[tribal blade]

well i'm happy with my decision to start playing sin in keys

even more now

just gonna use sub for some of the lower target count dungeons

[bleak wind]

I've been going with the no KB bleed build for 10s and it pumps, like 4.5-5mil in almost every key

[tribal blade]

jesus nice

how's the ST with that build

[bleak wind]

we don't talk about that

[tribal blade]

HAHA

i thought so

unless you can convince your tank to pull mobs on top of every boss

[tepid trellis]

its better than hybrid on single target

not that, that means anything

since they are both kinda shit

[tribal blade]

interesting

what's the playstyle like for bleed build

[tepid trellis]

ct goes brrrt

[tribal blade]

sounds like generally the same, just you have x2 shiv charges now

[tepid trellis]

and no KB

[bleak wind]

pretty much the same yes

[tribal blade]

yeah and no KB

[bleak wind]

your cooldowns feel weird though, kinda pointless 😄

[tepid trellis]

full vibes

[tribal blade]

interesting might be worth trying in something like cinderbrew

[tepid trellis]

it does ALOT of dmg

[autumn flame]

getting pi with bleed build in st

[tribal blade]

30% more bleed dmg during shiv

30% more during execute

my god

well capped 30% from shiv

[bleak wind]

kinda makes shiv with arterial previcion your cooldown I feel like

[tribal blade]

honestly sounds cool, gonna try it out

[keen dome]

It does sound pretty fun just to do absurd damage on trash

[lilac stag]

It cranks and KB is basically useless in keys

[tribal blade]

not a fan of kingsbane in general tbh

i find it kind of toxic to play with

[keen dome]

I think it's interesting with how you amp it with Shiv, but it jsut feels weird.

[lilac stag]

like a lot of things rogue. It’s got a fun concept and pisspoor development execution.

[keen dome]

Haha, yeah

[small hemlock]

A parried kingsbane is a pain I’ll never forget.

[neat night]

can you still play iron wire with that build

[keen dome]

Also that, yeah. The fact you can be parried is just some peak "lmao, why"

[tribal blade]

i think in general you can't really run iron wire anymore

you just lose a lot of dmg

no matter what you drop

[lilac stag]

This is the basic build: CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYMjZmxMAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAttMzMYmxYmZWmlBjxMzMzMzMDbbLjZA2MLDMgFwywEYYZA

[bleak wind]

you can probably drop master assasin for it but ye you lose a lot

[tribal blade]

people were dropping sudden demise for it before

[keen dome]

This might just be my lower key level self talking but it doesn't feel like there's remotely as many annoying casts this season where IW would be as useful?

[tribal blade]

but it got buffed to 15%

[lilac stag]

SD too strong now to drop

[keen dome]

Still nice, don't get me wrong. It's a rad talent. But there doesn't seem to be as many packs with shit tons of casts

[tribal blade]

iron wire would be amazing in places like cinderbrew

or priory

[lilac stag]

If your tank can chain pull with mobs at 40% you’re living your best life

[void ocean]

Dafuq happened to outlaw

[bleak wind]

swap to improved ambush on the left

[void ocean]

Is it dead yet

[lilac stag]

nah. It’s still pumping

[tribal blade]

i guess you do gain a few ST talents running this bleed build at least

[dense lichen]

Bleed build is outsimming Sub in my current Sub-focused gear. We might be cooked, fellas

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn ivy]

darkbrew vs deeper daggers which one sims higher?

[tribal blade]

DB by a mile should be

[tribal blade]

i've kinda stopped caring what stuff sims at, i'm more concerned with the actual dps you can get out of it in real world scenarios

but yeah sin already is outperforming sub in the hybrid build in keys

i'm excited to try out this bleed build

[dense lichen]

No doubt. Personally, I'm just gonna swap between Sub and Sin depending on the fight or dungeon. Bleed build is a lot of fun. Your execute damage goes crazy and watching trash die to Sudden Demise is pretty entertaining. Still doesn't have the "oomph" that you get from pressing a fully buffed SecTech + Cold Blood during burst tho, so I'm for sure still gonna play Sub just for how fun that can be.

Also Sin boss damage is awful either way and I run w a Boomkin and BM Hunter most of the time, so having Sub for extra boss damage helps a lot

[upper rock]

i feel like out of cd rota does zero dmg ._.

[short radish]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[dense lichen]

That's just how it is man. Use the downtime to farm CDR and CC trash mobs

[upper rock]

but sometimes i end up below the tank xD

[short radish]

sometimes it do be like that

[upper rock]

ye

[dense lichen]

Working as intended

[upper rock]

:v

haha

[dense lichen]

Just trust in your CDs. As long as you're managing them well and using them at good moments, you'll still do respectable overall damage.

[tribal blade]

it's an issue with cd classes like sub, blizz is afraid to make you too strong in cds because then you become giga overpowered on a lot of boss fights

[upper rock]

never doubted that, just feel awkward to get called out in a pug cause "you dont do any dmg" and burst with 17k in the next one

dw, i still love playing sub, its fun as hell

[short radish]

doesnt matter, what are they gonna do? kick you mid key?

[upper rock]

well they did

[hollow spear]

Probably the ret pal talking

[short radish]

really?

no s hot

[upper rock]

yeah wtf

[upper rock]

yeah ..

[short radish]

was this an actual key?

[dense lichen]

Ya I've had that issue before with the Add Affix. Tank called me out for not damaging it enough throuhgout the run even though I did more to it than the Fire Mage. He was like "well the fire mage has to commit burst to kill it so he gets a pass" BRO SO DO I

[short radish]

or a random timewalking/heroic

[upper rock]

12 priory

[short radish]

fire mages are the hero class of wow

[hollow spear]

People just have no idea how sub works

[short radish]

no fucking shot they kick someone mid key in a 12

[upper rock]

"cant time with that rogue"

[short radish]

thats acutally wild

i mean if youre doing tank damage in overall

thats a different story

[tribal blade]

yeah was just about to say

if you were doing super low dps then maybe

[hollow spear]

You sure it was tank damage only once?

I'm usually competitive on overall with sub

[upper rock]

i mean, dont get me wrong, im a fairly good player, i have 3.1k on my main and the rogue is close to 3k, i know my stuff and the dungeons ^^

[hollow spear]

Maybe not vs unholy or balance

[short radish]

just form your own group with a MW healer, warrior tank, balance druid and ele shaman

all of the buffs

[upper rock]

first pack after the first boss, had nothing up, so i just ST once,spread rupture on the palas and BP

[short radish]

(i just did that minus the warrior tank)

[hollow spear]

The only buff that counts is shaman

Even though I had to raid without monk and warrior last season

Actual pain

[short radish]

oooft

thats rough

[dry plank]

I’m raiding without shaman this season, I’m considering respec to outlul or even reroll

[limpid sage]

Idk I think it’s nice my weakaura actually updates when I press it now and not 1 sec later

[dry plank]

Firemagus looks promising xD

[tribal blade]

i did some keys today without skyfury

it legit feels horrible

feels like you're playing your rotation wrong

[tribal blade]

that's no go for sub tbh

[short radish]

ye

no s hot i'd raid without a shaman

hows assi without sham buff?

[dry plank]

Yes completely different flow

[tribal blade]

sin also benefits quite a lot from skyfury, less than sub though

but you don't feel it when you don't have skyfury like with sub

plays the exact same way

[bleak wind]

Not really sure what you mean tbh, sub has other issues with it with shadowcraft but that fix is specifically targeted at outlaw and not as a QoL

[dry plank]

I’m sick of playing assa s1. Don’t want to play it this season unless blizzard will buff it few times

[tribal blade]

honestly a bit part of losing skyfury for me is the mental anguish that happens alongside it

[short radish]

i get that. i really dont want to be forced to play assi again

rotation is so sleeper

[limpid sage]

it consumes the stacks immediately as you press it now, so if you have a weakaura that tracks 4x unseen blade procs it updates immediately now. I know the intention was to fix outlaw - it just happens to affect sub rogue in a positive way as well

[hazy breach]

Casually nerfing outlaw by 5% without compensation

[tribal blade]

at least when you play sin in keys you don't have to do mental juggling of cds like you do with sub

[bleak wind]

Yep, killing spree unplayable after 4th boss but thats ok I guess

[short radish]

yeah but you have to not lose your mark

[hazy breach]

Ks on locketsprocket

[short radish]

fuck i hate deathstalker

[dry plank]

I think assa in keys is different class and it actually fun to play

[tribal blade]

ME TOO

[hazy breach]

I like bleed build,
red buttons = good
Green buttons = bad

[short radish]

surely they just add a button thats applys deathstalkers mark

so youre not reliant on a 2min cd

if you fuck it up

they could call it something like

marked for deathstalking

[dense lichen]

Based

[dry plank]

One thing when you fuked up, another thing when it’s fkibg bugged out

[hazy breach]

Assa being an envenom bot is just weird, which is why the bleed build is fun

Also hitting 35m demises is amusing as hell

Mob goes bop

[short radish]

which is the bleed build?

the one that says bleed?

🙃

nvm

ignore me

wait

no kingsbane?

[dense lichen]

Ya I kinda hated Sin until I tried the bleed build

[short radish]

okay im a bit intrigued

[dense lichen]

Ya and thank god for that

[short radish]

how does it work though? still spam envenom or CT in big aoe

i feel i should be asking this in assi

🐒

[dense lichen]

100%

[short radish]

but i dont want to go there

im scared

[dense lichen]

Ya they’re kinda weird over there

[short radish]

whispyr cant even pronouce my name sober

[dry plank]

Does bleed build even more pepega in ST?

[dense lichen]

It’s better than hybrid in ST but it’s Sin so overall still pepega

[tropic river]

What's best for m+ Sub or assa, or is it the same? If so what's more fun do you guys think?

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach are you pushing keys this tier?

[dry plank]

Fun is very personal thing

[lilac stag]

Assa tends to be bigger numbers overall so many find that more fun. Sub can slam bosses like no other. Sub is not nearly as fun for me since we don’t have a shaman in our group.

Shaman in group and sub way more enjoyable.

[tropic river]

Oh how come shaman is important, is it because of their buff

[lilac stag]

mmhm. We’re pretty reliant on it.

it’s playable without… but meh it’s a different vibe

[dense lichen]

The dopamine hits during Sub Burst go crazy. But it’s the absolute pinnacle of High Highs and Low Lows in wow specs.
Sin is more consistent, especially at higher key levels.
But if your team lacks boss damage, Sub is a good fit since it’s AoE is still respectable.

[lethal gate]

Never spam CT, just keep it up aoe, envenom for spender with caustic up

[short radish]

so still same as old assi, just bleed damage stronger now

and no kingsbane

ez thanks mate

[daring marlin]

sin vs bosses in m+ is soo boring

[lethal gate]

Yeah gameplay never changed,kingsbane still good to have in my opnion but bleed build rocks atm

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing you want to have 2 shiv charges per deathmark

and kind of use whenever between DMs

[short radish]

fuck kingsbane

[tribal blade]

kingsbane is kind of like DS mark, the cd

[short radish]

one less things i have to worry about

[lethal gate]

If you play bleed build yes, if hybrid you play 1 shiv at the last 7 seconds of kingsbane then shiv off cd

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm good on hybrid, it's what i'm playing right now 😉

cool cools sounds good

[hazy breach]

Probably

[marble ledge]

I finally took the plunge and got away from cheat death in favor of improved feint on both the class and hero talent tree.

It is so good...

[tribal blade]

you don't need the 10% feint from the hero tree

it's kinda overkill

the static 5% DR from fazed is better

it's always a very rare circumstance that the 40% DR you get from feint is not enough to live something

[potent summit]

When the pulls are just right in Flood Gate. This was a Flood 14

[vale pine]

nice

[potent summit]

Sub still strong. I wont go Assa !

[proper latch]

Does m+ parsing even matter?

[keen dome]

big number fun

[covert crane]

In fuu's sim sheet, it says 2x Dusk in embelishments, but in sim it is 2x dawn?

[hazy breach]

Practically no difference between embellishments anyway, run whatever you feel like

Theyre all so incredibly weak that it doesnt really matter

[void ocean]

our sims r from dusk till dawn

[summer lynx]

Okay dumb question, do you always want 2 shadow dances when your CD's come up after your opener?

[short radish]

1 shadow dance and less than 40 on the other one

[summer lynx]

Ty

[light imp]

how much do we care about flawless form on 7+ targets?

since we swap to mostly SS and BP

[haughty mural]

do we get a catalyst next week ?

[lucid lily]

No it was this week

[minor bobcat]

anyone know the bis race for each rogue spec currently?

[old venture]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/subtlety/races/castingpatchwerk

just swap spec from the drop down for spec

[minor bobcat]

thank you

[old venture]

[vale pine]

!sheet also has race sims^^

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

but i can spoiler you, it will tell you to be a friendly orc

[shrewd lantern]

unless you want to change every patch just go dwarf

else orc might fall off with later tiers

unless blizz makes orc racials % based or something instead of flat values

[vale pine]

human is usually also good later

i don't think there is rly a "clear winner" for long term

worse you can do is play undead like me

[old venture]

female undead has the coolest finisher animation though

so at least you look cool

[vale pine]

i look cool while doing no damage

feels like my class fantasy

[old venture]

[cloud iron]

Hello there !

I've just started the game this week and I was wondering ab something :x

It seems like my macro aren't working but I can't find why

[hollow spear]

Something something stealth bar

[paper iron]

that s my sub orange name

I see you re a demise type of guy now also fuu

[hollow spear]

Next tier rogue tier for sure

And no, buffs in 11.1.7 don't count

[paper iron]

next tier outlaw progress tier for sure

and no multiples buff to sin to make it the go to spec again

every season > forced to play sub > forced to recraft for assa > play outlaw for the funnies

[humble frigate]

Void dagger legendary

[hollow spear]

I'd be surprised if the current iteration of outlaw could ever be a progress spec

At least at the highest level

It would have to be insanely overtuned

[paper iron]

i mean

give me one tier when outlaw was the go to prog spec, and give me the year of it

outlaw whatever iteration cant be a prog spec

[jaunty umbra]

good

keep it where it belongs

[shrewd lantern]

castle nathria, 2021

[paper iron]

well

so

no

nathria was a no rogue progress

[shrewd lantern]

no melee

besides dk

[paper iron]

the only reasons u might have played outlaw is because assa was unplayable until 9.0.5, and sub was a joke after ptr hotfix

yet it was not thaaaaat bad, u just didnt bring anything and u were a melee

[shrewd lantern]

anyone like how the first tier theres no dk in rwf

they just

make a wowhead article about it

[paper iron]

it s the first tier

where grips are absolutely useless

and u anyway stack boomie / mage / lock / priest depending on teh boss

[shrewd lantern]

still most tanky melee

by a mile

[paper iron]

it s been a while we havent seen 4 of the same classs in a raid

yet they played 5 monk 4 fire 3 sp

that s half the raid already

[light imp]

Go night elf for shadowmeld shadow strike 🤣🤣🤣

[lucid jackal]

Most of vault

Except rasz

And even on rasz u could play either sub or outlaw and it was fine

[paper iron]

that s actually true for vault yea

i think u could play other specs with minor disadvantage, but i remember sennarth / kurog specifically being very outlaw

[lucid jackal]

Yep

[paper iron]

i had to be assa for diurna and sit on the boss

Atro too good they told me

[twilit phoenix]

Anyone know any multispec freakazoid rogues?

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-at-you-lebron-james-goat-lakers-starting-5-gif-11571230636215755647

[cloud kestrel]

I play sub/assassin fight depending

[night sparrow]

TIL you can supercharge 7 cp before entering m+

[hazy breach]

No it resets down to 2

As soon as the wall falls

[night sparrow]

oooh

me sad

[cloud iron]

Can someone answer me please :x

[lucid jackal]

What macro

[molten citrus]

Did you add them to stealth bar

[random hare]

@tepid trellis i burst 7.4m whats ur highest?

and dont use goon trinket

bait

[tepid trellis]

dunno, im assa in raid atm

[alpine wraith]

how is mug boi going

[tepid trellis]

i wanna die

does that sum it up?

[alpine wraith]

only watched liquid doing it

so yea

[fallow nimbus]

It was said you would destroy the assa, not join them. Bring balance to world of warcraft, not cast it in darkness

[tepid trellis]

unfortunately my guild knows how to read logs, and they see how much dmg assa does in p2

so

it is what it is

[alpine wraith]

curses!

[hollow spear]

Logs were a mistake

[wheat crypt]

Jesus fuck assassin and outlaw sub feels wayyy better

[lucid jackal]

Assa so broken on mugzee

[warm goblet]

!weakaura

[cloud iron]

Wdym stealth bar ?

[cloud iron]

The macro IG like idk

There isnt multiple type of macro ?

[molten citrus]

depends on what the macro is supposed to do

there's a bunch of different macros

but for rogues action bar 1 turns into a different bar when you are in stealth

thats your stealth bar

often times when someone says their macro isn't working its because they forgot to add it to their stealth bar and only added it to their regular action bar

[cloud iron]

Ah no

I tried multiple macros on normal bar

And there isn't any working

Even "/use [skillName]" in chat isn't working

[molten citrus]

its supposed to be /cast

[cloud iron]

Or well it is working for 1 skill if this skill is called without space

[cloud iron]

Both are working for me

[molten citrus]

are you putting the skill name in brackets? "[ ]"?

[cloud iron]

No, not a single macro I saw used that

Except for speficif interaction of the sskill

[molten citrus]

would be a lot easier if you just pasted the macro

so i'm not trying to guess out of thin air

[cloud iron]

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus][] Ficelles du métier

Tried this one

[proven plover]

does the no parry part of fazed still apply to the whole raid?

[cloud iron]

But well now it working, is the '[]' before skill name mandatory ?

Before it wasn't working so idk

[molten citrus]

yep

[molten citrus]

looks fine?

[cloud iron]

Yeah for now, guess my error was that I put the english name while my game is in french

I might change the game's lang

[spark dawn]

i need your input. I have 4 catalysts with 0 set piece. If i catalyst all my tier piece, I can get approx 200k to 300k more dps according to sims.
Now im trying to hold it off just incase i get a myth track item from vault since all my current tier piece are hero track

[molten citrus]

i think most people just catalyze hero track at the beginning of the season

if you're solely dependant opon m+ vault for myth track pieces, i don't think there's any point waiting and holding your cata charges for that

you'll get more cata charges as the season goes on

i think at this point some people even catalyze champ track gear on alts n shit

just to get the extra ~5% dmg bump

[paper stirrup]

Anyone holding off on using finnishers outside of dance to not lose tier set stacks, is it worth?

[twilit phoenix]

You don’t hold all of your cata charges until end of season until you have full myth track + terts/sockets?????

Ngmi

[spark dawn]

Its a 1 week old rogue and about to get to a raiding guild next week after reset. So my sources for myth track will be vault and raid

[molten citrus]

Not really worth

[spark dawn]

Currently at 655 ilvl

[molten citrus]

Unless you know there’s add spawns coming or a dmg amp coming

[molten citrus]

I would just cata the hero gear

Kinda hindering your performance if you don’t ngl

[molten citrus]

I use my charges on whatever ngl but I gotta get more used to the crest system

I’m hella stingy with crests when I prolly don’t need to be

[spark dawn]

Hmmm alright will get the 4pc now

Thanks

[brittle echo]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[alpine wraith]

it depends on what you want tbh

[uncut oriole]

Super noob question, but I haven't played rogue in ages. My current gear is setup for outlaw, but I have a heroic dagger. Can I use dagger/sword as sub, or is dagger/dagger much better?

[serene tapir]

Dagger, dagger

Cant even play with sword

[valid vault]

in m+ if it lines up are you doing both your sectechs in your first dance window?

[lucid jackal]

1 per dance/sod

[valid vault]

with first dance it feels a little weird

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert pine]

so subs got dig bick again?

[vestal escarp]

[vast tartan]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

as long as you dont party with others

[hoary lotus]

Why rogue so shit is so sad

Dk and boomie doing infinite damage, rogue does peanuts 😦

[vital flax]

does nimble furry work on cauldron when both boss go to the middle?

[lucid jackal]

Yeah

[mighty citrus]

i just changed the string from dwarf to the orc thingy to see the racial difference. its almost 20k dps for me? or is it bugged as i manipulated the string?

[lilac stag]

Maghar is bis dps wise. You can also use the racial sim string if you want to make sure everything is correct. #tc-research

[short radish]

Yeah gotta collect interest on my cata changes and crests

Guy in our raid was sitting on 210 crests lmao

[twilit phoenix]

I don’t get it

Just play the game bro

You’ll get more crests

[short radish]

Yeah ikr

Saving is like

Maybe a week 1 or 2 thing

[hazy breach]

What is blud saving for

[twilit phoenix]

The upcoming trade war I guess idk

[lilac stag]

Gilded crests about to get tarrifs

Oddly enough they lose value the longer you hold them assuming you have pieces you can upgrade.

[wind grail]

is there a way to fix 1hr tricks not working?

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach i really like this sin bleed build

[upbeat cradle]

If i'm using the 60s cd pvp trinket, do I use it on cooldown or line it up with the burst cooldowns ?

[hazy breach]

With cds

[hazy breach]

CT and sudden demise go brrr

[tribal blade]

10% sudden demise dmg hello

granted this was a 13

[paper iron]

[hazy breach]

Some people say demise is only padding, but theres clips like this where that shit is clearly not pad

[paper iron]

isnt caustic way too low tho

[hazy breach]

Probably, but depends on the dungeon ig

[paper iron]

yea but people only see the exec damage of sd

they dont realise it also buff every bleed

people and their understanding of rogue

[hazy breach]

I meant as a response to saying the execute is only pad

[bleak night]

it definitely seems like a rupture on a low health mob will kill it faster than an envenom sometimes

sudden demise kind of nice

[paper iron]

i think that s just a feeling

[bleak night]

it might be

but especially if it has dm

[hazy breach]

Yesnt

[bleak night]

your prio target kinda disappears

[hazy breach]

If you spatter more than 1 extra target (ie if theres 3 targets)

Then an envenom does more than rupture

Otherwise a rupture does more

[bleak night]

so the next evolution of bleed is to just not play spatter

[hazy breach]

Internal sucks ass unfortunately

[paper iron]

non caustic

[bleak night]

time to remove spatter from my no dm build

[gray cradle]

Hey guys is there a way to track when Unseen Blade is off cd?

[paper iron]

LE has a wa for that

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[paper iron]

https://wago.io/gNf0y7O9P

idk how accurate that is but i know some people use it

[twilit phoenix]

rupture above caustic?

how is this possible

[bleak night]

gaming

[paper iron]

he never pressed envenom is my bet

[tribal blade]

well this was rookery

so all the pulls after 2nd boss my arms warrior blew up the small shitter adds

but i dunno, feels like spreading rupture very important with this build

here was a 13 priory

oh does this build actually want haste

[hazy breach]

Its fine

[icy viper]

should nimble flurry be my highest dmg talent/ability

with sec tech slightly below it

[alpine wraith]

depends on dungeon yes

[icy viper]

ya sometimes it varies, ty

[tribal blade]

it'll usually end up being very high because it's just passively up all the time

[random hare]

@vale pine how is autumn simming for sub

how many %

from hpal

[light crow]

hey is there a point where it is better to take gloomblade ST? still pretty new to sub rogue. haven't mained it in a current tier since wod

[lucid jackal]

when deathstalker is better yeah we play gloomblade

[light crow]

haven't given deathstalker a try. been enjoying trickster atm

[north spire]

can you cheese the mugzee goons without being void elf?

[lucid jackal]

nop

[zenith prism]

Very little I think. House of cards is still 1m30s cd

Also we get most of our CDs from consuming CPs

[oblique grove]

we still backstab in dance right

nothings changed from week 1

[lilac stag]

Getting the bleeds out and ideally chain pulling packs with mobs at 35-40% health.

[tribal blade]

i'm digging having execute with this build too

[untold fern]

Hi im new here and im kinda new to sub rogue im trying to learn its rotation but i feel like im doing something wrong i kinda have my opener set but im falling behind in damage and i dont know why.

I do know that sub has windows that i wont have cds to burst down. I dont if i should pool my energy more or if i should space out my cds either.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nbRmg2TNLQyZHxWY

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/minisol

[tribal blade]

AND having blindside feels great

[lilac stag]

yeah it’s enjoyable overall.

[tribal blade]

i like it more than the hybrid build

[lilac stag]

If you can pull mobs into boss it’s nice boss dmg as well

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure

[lilac stag]

Rock boss in ML is fun

[tribal blade]

speaking of ML aoe soothe is actually really good for the trash with that miniboss and enrages everything

[lilac stag]

I find I’ should probably be more aggressive with vanish

[tribal blade]

i had that issue too playing double vanish where i was holding onto charges too much "just in case"

[lilac stag]

Cart boss in DFC is Ovi flashbacks.

[tribal blade]

that boss is annoying

[lilac stag]

So much funnel

[tribal blade]

true that's a good funnel boss

[boreal umbra]

What is the problem with deathstalker and goomblade build ?

[molten citrus]

Trickster better

[round latch]

we all supporting mage again

world of mages ofc

[molten citrus]

this is crazy

there's more havoc DH than all 3 rogue specs combined

[keen dome]

Damn

[round latch]

its all wannabes going back on it

trully vile spec

[molten citrus]

i've been playing it a lot

[round latch]

[molten citrus]

has been fun ngl, first time ever playing it in pve

[round latch]

from what im getting its easy mode

just some outlaw apm here and there

less buttons

[molten citrus]

its a lot more complex than it used to be

similar amount of buttons to rogue now

[round latch]

[molten citrus]

it's definitely a bit easier

but it isn't as brain dead as it used to be/as much as ret type shit

[vale pine]

> Open Simulation <

[mighty citrus]

team does racechange imply problems with a raidid like servertrans or similar?

and if i do, i just bind my racial to my shadowblades?

2m vs 1:30 etc etc. logs seem to do it

[tepid trellis]

doesent affect raid lockouts

but it can break vantus

and yes just bind it to blades

[mighty citrus]

i could just pop a new vantus i assume?

thanks for clarifying

[tepid trellis]

nope you cannot

still counts as you have used one

[brisk onyx]

first time.jpg

[hazy breach]

Its like 2% if youre using pvp trinket

Since you can actually leverage the -10% to use flag earlier

(but its still better to have hoc overall ofc)

[gleaming geyser]

Can rogue use cloak on mugzee soak to immune?

[runic trail]

Ye

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm goblet]

whats ur experience with tfd in M+?

feels incredible on bosses but I cant take advantage of it in most dungeons, even tried sitting in stealth far away from tank when he's chaining quickly to try and having it up for cds

but most of the time I don't have enough time to proc it

[hazy breach]

Well you always proc it after bosses and during RP

And thats more than enough to make it better than the alternative

[tribal blade]

the good thing about TFD is you can very easily get many activations in the dungeons that sub excels in

like workshop and ToP

given how people pull ML in higher keys you get a lot of activations in there too

[worn ivy]

High keys u run out of energy

While dance / feint

This is big problem what can i sacrife to get more energy ?

Talent wise ?

[tepid trellis]

nothing

spam less outside of cds

[tribal blade]

you're locked into 1 talent build as sub

and play with a shammy

[paper iron]

yea

sub without shammy is just

cringe

warprot sub boomie ele mw

god comp

[tribal blade]

it's so incredibly annoying that playing sub is so heavily dependent on having a shammy in the group

[clear osprey]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[paper iron]

i mean

check it this way

if uhdk wasnt here

it would be the 20th season in a row where playing mage without a priest in the group would be shit

Some stuff interract too good with eachother, it is what it is

[hazy breach]

Is mage even that good, feel like its overhyped

[paper iron]

well

[hazy breach]

Most keys ive seen on streams the DK and boomy does way more

[paper iron]

i ve many things to say

Fire mage is good only in team AND in 17+ where u dont have to cringly hold combust

But also

[hazy breach]

Ye im talking about those high keys specifically

[paper iron]

some dungeons, ws / top / rookery / dfc are SHIT for fire mage

that s probably why we see asuna / hopeful trying arcane / frost in many keys last days

fire mage isnt here for it s overall damage, it s doing less ST than boomie, but it has a good frontload of damage and have a reall great profile, as well as an overdone toolkit as always

[hazy breach]

Ye but if prio is that important more people would play assa

Since it has like 40% more prio than fire

[paper iron]

i see mage like ret rn, but with 40 yard range, int buff, and more high key players

thing is

as fire rn

u dont really prio damage

the build u play really desincentivise prio, it s jsut flamestrike

u bring lust in a comp that is not interchangeable

like if u ask me

Vdh / disco / boomi / uhdk are mandatory, which let one spot, for a lust class

Ele fit well, mage is excellent, devoker is average

vdh is just vdh not needed but so good, disco is broken with oracle rn it s busted, boomie is the best spec in the game rn and beam is just op 45s lmao, uhdk u know already

u can think about swapping dk for rogue, that would make the most sens. So you ll have less aoe damage by a while, no ams no amz, and a bit less ST damage. Nah u cant swap the dk by a rogue

[hazy breach]

I mean its not like unholy does noticeably more ST than assa

Especially not on bosses with adds

[paper iron]

nah, it s a bit more, just a bit, but in aoe i never seen an assa at 40m first cinderbrew pull

[hazy breach]

Well ye unholy does 40m

then it does 5m

Assa always does 12

[tribal blade]

the power of sin i guess is you do that in every pull

no matter what pretty much

[paper iron]

i ve never seen a dk at 5m, it s 1.30 / 45 / 30s cds

[hazy breach]

Idk i think people (as usual) are way overhyping the difference between the best specs and the others

[paper iron]

as i already stated in here, that s what we get for asking easier rerolling, now in 20h of /played you have a character that can push. So the meta is super closed

even if it s the meta by a inch

back in SL when u needed 2 month before having an alt that can push, u just played best players on their spec and you were happy, meta existed but it was not fotm land

and where i agree with the overhype thing, is that since aug is gone, way way more classes are close to eachother, but 1 inch is 1 inch

streamers show their comp and route, people follow braindeadly

[pastel rampart]

sl not fotm land just a lot of destro players and survival hunters that definitely mained the spec before that point

[tribal blade]

the main issue i'm having is you can't do stuff like other teams who are running vdh+boomy

[small juniper]

that’s how the game is, people see the top players and then they don’t want anything but those classes

[tribal blade]

if you're not running those 2 specs in your team

[paper iron]

u talking about 1 season incident, whch happened, but it was a 1 season incident

yea vdh + boomie is just mandatory for streamer keys

[tribal blade]

trying to do some of the bigger pulls without those 2 is suicide

or close to suicide

[paper iron]

But u can still do without it, again my best example is squish / wox

playing gdrood war outlaw hunt mw

[hazy breach]

Its fine with a prot warrior too

[paper iron]

they just cook their capped target route and do well

[tribal blade]

yeah squish always makes it work

[paper iron]

but that s a team, not a pug

[pastel rampart]

s1 was full of vdh /boomy/fmage rerolls too tho

it was just all the season incidents.....

[hazy breach]

Like for most pulls the aoe kick from prot warrior is the same as silence sigil

[paper iron]

yea

sl S1

is not what u think it was

compare that to

is delusionnal

imo

specially knowing that mage always had a big playerbase, boomie had a lot of rerollers early in SL cause it was fucking fitting NF which was put ahead and strong, but well

[lilac stag]

SV was rather easy to reroll to at that point as well. I swear 2/3 of our guild had one to play.

and you already had a large hunter playerbase

[paper iron]

sl S3 started to include some reroll easier rules, it was still bit of a pain, but easier than before

catchup mecanics, catalyst, better way to get loot in raid in pug

probably needed like 3 weeks for an average player to get it ready to big keys

knowing that it got really rally buffed and we started to know about the numbers of the spec in a patch 2 or 3 weeks after season release, can see how long it took for them to get them all sv ready

and then u had df S1

and then, well, guess when aug was released season

[lilac stag]

Yea. Compared to what we had, rerolling didn’t feel awful. Compared to now it 100% was.

[paper iron]

yea now

like i said

20h of /played on my mage and he got from lvl 70 to 80 665 ilvl

no boost no buy no nothing

[lilac stag]

I think it took 1 clear in heroic and 2 vaults to be doing more dmg than my rogue.

[paper iron]

20h of /played in sl S1 u were renown 5 and green gear

[keen dome]

[paper iron]

(and u were broke buying legendaries on AH)

[keen dome]

God, the legendaries

[lilac stag]

I know rerolling is easier because we have some folks that would never even think about a second toon to raid on, and now are trying to gear it for mythic where their spec sucks on certain fights

[keen dome]

What an almost good idea that then veered straight into horrible

[paper iron]

i had 5 MA legendaries

for all spec

all content

all stats

[keen dome]

nooo

[paper iron]

and that s just MA, i had gsw, ttb, celerity, and other stuff

[lilac stag]

you had a problem.

[paper iron]

i was playing all 3 specs, i was doing raid m+ arena rbg

i had to

i had all covenant renown 80, pikaboo still didnt have done a single campaign quest

[keen dome]

Gearing right now is so incredibly chill though. It ruled.

[paper iron]

it was so funny, he started the SL campaing in S3 because he needed to for double elgendary x)

[keen dome]

Haha

[lilac stag]

"Take everything in moderation, even World of Warcraft!"

you must have missed that loading screen

[keen dome]

I will never obey that loading screen

I will never log off

[paper iron]

well

in SL i played

15h a day

[round latch]

i did that in BFA

[paper iron]

was worth it

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, rang 1 rogue

[paper iron]

and since then i just play for mecanics idc about parses at all

[round latch]

de la nuit.. ?!?!

🥖

[paper iron]

which sound like i m washed up, well, i kinda am

yes

de la nuit

[round latch]

🥖

[paper iron]

this is one of the worst season ever for me actually

[keen dome]

blessed

[paper iron]

because i had to reinstall the game, and i reinstalled it in french

[keen dome]

haha

[paper iron]

and i cba swapping it so i had to rewrite EVERY SINGLE MACRO I HAD

and as a pvp boi

i had 3 times every button in my bar, it was a tough work

[lilac stag]

@paper iron are you playing rogue right now or?

[paper iron]

couldnt really reinstall wow in english cuz my internet was bad as hell

roguerino

[lilac stag]

which spec you enjoying the most?

[paper iron]

but i also have my main alt which is holypriest, can play all priest spec tho

and since rerolling is easier i ve lot of alts like mage evoker hunter, i m gonna do dk tomorrow

my heart would answer outlaw is where the real fun is at, but this tier all 3 specs are clearly peak gameplay. I used to be a sub hater and this season i really enjoy it. Assa in aoe is so good since DF changes. And outlaw i sadly lack the haste tax to play it rn, but besides KS it s for sure a banger

[limpid sage]

You can disable default combopoints with a weakaura btw

[paper iron]

yea ikr

but i dont bother

it s w/E

[limpid sage]

Ye just wanted to say because I personally got annoyed at it xd

[paper iron]

i just hide it behind consumable like a bad boy

[lilac stag]

Yeh KS is my pain point for outlaw. Assa bleed is enjoyable in keys. Sub gameplay is very enjoyable. The output for effort doesn’t always feel good.

[limpid sage]

On my ui that is

[paper iron]

[paper iron]

oh yea, numbers are not good rn for rogues, truth is said

but i think we wont see a rogue m+ meta as long as we dont get overloaded with utility in our toolkit

shroud became useless

[lilac stag]

we did one night of Rik prog. All felt bad. Hahah

[paper iron]

and since bfa they scared of rogue

sub blast on rik tho !

[lilac stag]

swapping as assa or even sub for far spawns just meh

[lilac stag]

Not when you have to babysit range adds

I swear range has more fning tunnel vision than melee

[placid verge]

Hello guys, i will start soon +12 / +13 its a good idea to stay in sub ?

[paper iron]

i was rank 1 rik for 20 minutes

😔

[lilac stag]

You can, assa bleed likely to do more overall

[paper iron]

@tribal blade u stole my podium place

😔

[tribal blade]

oh i'm not gramhehe haha

that guy is way better than me

[lilac stag]

He’s Gramhaha

[paper iron]

for the range of key you gonna play since u ask this question here, every rogue spec will do very fine

[tribal blade]

i think he's in the amazing zoo guild

[tribal blade]

t r u e

[paper iron]

why u baiting me with your (name)

[tribal blade]

my char's name is prophethood

[lilac stag]

that’s how he comes off as an expert in here

[tribal blade]

😉

[lilac stag]

Coattails of gramhehe on wcl

[paper iron]

dude is hitman, fking agent 47

hidding like a perfect assassin

what a rogue

[tribal blade]

hey what can i say

i learnt from the best rogues

[paper iron]

🐏 ?

[paper iron]

we were talking about meta earlier

see how dogshit are people

they play uhdk

in TOP

when frost dk is just 20% better damage

[tribal blade]

uhdk is dogshit in ToP

[paper iron]

but they just pepega

[tribal blade]

i've seen them in there

they do no dmg

[paper iron]

ofc they do no dmg

uhdk is like assa in ST

[tribal blade]

it's kinda funny

[paper iron]

[lilac stag]

@paper iron the pulls we did with me as pirate adds never got close to being an issue. The other two specs it was shitshow.

At one point I decided I’d KS with the soak beam. That was fun to hear range panic.

[tribal blade]

sub is pretty good in ToP too

[paper iron]

LMAO

GOOD KS PRESS

KEEP IT UP

yea

[lilac stag]

It was a laser light show and fucking amazing

[paper iron]

but u know what

sub is trash compared to frost dk in top

[tribal blade]

damn

well we just hope they rebuff sub's burst to warrant the downtime

and we'll be chilling

[paper iron]

to even hear zero said "i got beaten by a random frost dk in top"

means a lot

[lilac stag]

they won’t

[paper iron]

nah they ll buff out of cd sub

if they buff something

[lilac stag]

it’s gonna be DS buffs

[paper iron]

truth be told

[tribal blade]

if they buff DS i'm quitting

[lilac stag]

And then real misery hits again

just play assa

[paper iron]

maybe they gonna buff coup to compensate outlaw fix

and they forget about sub

[hazy breach]

Theyre gonna buff bp

[tribal blade]

i like

i like

[paper iron]

NO

[hazy breach]

I can feel it in my bones

[paper iron]

DONT MAKE ME PRESS BP IN ST

I BEG

[lilac stag]

they will, which is also the DS buff

two birds one stone.

[tribal blade]

the threshold for nimble is gonna keep falling

[lilac stag]

Aoe and non existent hero tree

[vestal escarp]

KS when you can endager yourself with mechanics ❌
KS when you can endanger the rest of party with mechanics ✅

[hazy breach]

If the buff is large enough (like 25-35%) we just stop using other finishers in aoe too

No sectech or rupture, just bp

[paper iron]

if we even skip sectech

[lilac stag]

You know KS goes active too often when other melee notice you constantly bolting around

[tribal blade]

that's disgusting

[paper iron]

it really means

real bad design

like

real real bad

like

as bad as me as sub on last tier

[lilac stag]

Our tree is real real bad

[paper iron]

when i didnt want to bother to learn it

and parsed 0 the whole progress

that kind of bad

[lilac stag]

our dedicated dev time
Is real real bad

Figure out path of least resistance to bring numbers up

[paper iron]

i wish

zero was our dev

he would make every bug abuse a feature

(as if it s not alrezady the case)

[tribal blade]

if zero was our dev

[lilac stag]

What 2 things suck that are obvious? DS and AOE (BP).

[tribal blade]

"hey guys next reset sectec+evis dmg +30%"

[spark dawn]

Rogue population on keys is bad esp since i last played bfa

[lilac stag]

we’re gonna get the Trump chatgtp tariff fix to sub.

rip

[paper iron]

rogue is the least played class in the game

well

u have evoker that is less played

but it s too recent and aug is dead

[tribal blade]

outlaw was a meta spec during S3 DF

[paper iron]

but you have less rogue 3 specs players THAN ret alone

[tribal blade]

you even saw double outlaw in keys

that season

[paper iron]

not totally true

depends what u call meta

u had dungeons like TOTT

[tribal blade]

true, maybe not absolute meta

[paper iron]

where we triple outlaw

[tribal blade]

lol yeah double outlaw and 1 fury warr

[paper iron]

and dht

[tribal blade]

for throne

[paper iron]

YET

outlaw was too hard to pick up and play

[tribal blade]

yeah fire was busted that season too

[paper iron]

to be ever a fotm

[tribal blade]

damn ok so there were less outlaws than i remember

[paper iron]

look how bad is tww so far

people hated exodia

yet

they want a closed meta

[paper iron]

yea u probably just remember casual / jpc / zero / zac / me