subtlety

[willow bobcat]

You should do what helps your group the most, if you need to dumpster the barrels before intermission do it

[void ocean]

Aye

[brittle echo]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[potent summit]

Since S3 will most likely be ethereal themed. Sub gets a rework ? Please? 😂

[willow bobcat]

Ethereal playable when

[keen dome]

I wish for it.. Give it to us.

[glass jasper]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[stray rivet]

Can sub rogue main swap to assa easily?

Same stats?

[cinder steppe]

vers to crit

but vers also good for assa right chat?

[cloud rover]

I swapped just one ring

And assa almost simmed equally

So its Not that Bad to swap

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's really chill to swap

[lucid jackal]

Sin stats dont do anything so

Ya probably

[weary crag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[ornate lake]

Bruh I popped Cooldowns and bunkjunker flew away lmao

55% parse

I'm going to get benched now

[cloud rover]

I got you covered i got a 3

[potent summit]

If you look at the April fools you can see they don’t even understand rogue a tiny bit. So they just write jibberish 😂😂😂😂

[ornate lake]

I got a 4 on carnage because the bomb yeeted me into the laser

It was hillarious though

[cloud rover]

I got a three

while staying alive

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[weary crag]

Guys do we use Shadow blades with the first Sec tech?

or before

[willow bobcat]

Right before you hit Sec tech

[idle holly]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[weary crag]

do you guys wait for a full second stack of shadow dance

before doing big burst with blades

if second charge is 30 seconds off

do you do it anywaty

[willow bobcat]

You dont wait for two full charges

[weary crag]

what if second charge is 1 minute off

youd be stuck doing backstabs in blades window

[sly shore]

then you goofed

[keen trellis]

You get your dance back if it is like 32s remaining for 2nd charge

[willow bobcat]

^

[stiff cedar]

Anyone know if the dungeon slice sim is at all appropriate for subtlety? (Or outlaw for that matter)

[willow bobcat]

with a grain of salt yes

[cloud rover]

Rogue ye

For Rogue its optimized

[ornate lake]

So if I have 45 second remaining on second dance and I have flag and blades up, I should be auto attacking till I get dance to 30 second?

🤔

[sly shore]

you should've planned better

and not had that happen

[willow bobcat]

Should have prepped better

[alpine wraith]

we can do some soundclips

so you can get a wa to tell you SHOULDA PLANNA BETTA

[keen trellis]

I mean you can also just send and do no damage

[ornate lake]

It never happens in raids but in keys

[sly shore]

play aoe like you would single target

in your dance and sod usage

[fallow nimbus]

In m+ you can also factor in down time like the glider part + the pack after in floodgate

Sub m+ is thinking packs ahead while the meta specs just press what's glowing

[alpine wraith]

also for some reason our "burst" is like 20 secs long

so cant even overlap cds with people

[keen marten]

In 10-12 keys I feel like I am just there for the boss dam 😂
No packs lives until my big sectec 😂

[fringe palm]

You have to have really high iq to appreciate sub gameplay

[tribal blade]

i had to listen to guildies talk in discord about how another one of my guildies said she found rogue way harder than havoc

and how she was wrong

because they're basing their info on like several expacs ago

and i literally just said nothing because i'm not getting in that argument again with people who have no idea wtf they're talking about

the havoc in my guild thinks sub is easy because he played it during SL

[willow bobcat]

LOL\

[cloud rover]

and now combine Sub with Transmitter and partly raid calling

[tribal blade]

yeah DF reworked sub into now is not what i would call a simple spec haha

they were even saying "damn prophet's not saying anything" and i was thinking in my head "YUP"

[clever delta]

Sub do not feel hard but it's like you get punished a lot by small mistake

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

I was fighting transmitter for two hours yesterday on bandit but I was running into issues making my opener super incontinence as I had orbs /circle spawn behind boss when I need bait infront the coins

[weary crag]

do u guys cold blood first sectech or second

during burst

[clever delta]

Second

[tribal blade]

i think it's definitely not as bad as before in difficulty

[honest brook]

is sub use whetstone?

[tribal blade]

yes

[honest brook]

ty

[clever delta]

Idk I liked dust sub more

[tribal blade]

damn

[clever delta]

I'm fighting cdr all the time now

[tribal blade]

yeah the cdr game right now sucks

might be one of the worst parts about playing sub

[clever delta]

You just miss couple globals here and there due to movements or mechanics are you are off

[tribal blade]

yup it's bad

it's definitly one of the things i want to see change the most for sub

remove dance cdr

[leaden prairie]

only thing that make it so you cant just afk between cds tho

[vale pine]

the baseline is higher

doing your 90 sec cycle correct means you do decent output

the main problem currently is tuning

[vestal escarp]

It would be a very welcome change but realistically i think they'll never make a spec that plays where you can do nothing for half your combat time

[vale pine]

you will be last in dps if you are not above average geared and don't play well

some fights you need to do adds to compete on dps, something not every raid team will allow you to do

[vale pine]

the problem is, we still need to do something in downtime

[random hare]

outlaw > sub

[vale pine]

like its not "afk"

[fringe palm]

Just give sub enough cdr to use dance and symbols with every sectec and two with CDs

[vale pine]

because of cdr on secret techniques and shadow dance

[vestal escarp]

The fake afk is the worst part for me

[vestal escarp]

Like, look at new cycle of hatred

[hollow spear]

Yeah it sucks

Remove cdr entirely

[fringe palm]

Is that eyebeam cdr?

[vale pine]

to be clear, subtlety isn't the last in dps

[vestal escarp]

Yeah, now it gives cdr for just a press before it was like deepening, on fury spent

[vale pine]

mugzee for reference

[hollow spear]

But we're working on it

[vale pine]

there are some worse

its just, for what rogue brings

[alpine wraith]

wait are there even 50 parses for mugzee already

[random hare]

It is on my screen

[alpine wraith]

no way

[vale pine]

it needs to be usually tuned higher

[short radish]

i'm still mad they nerf'd sub week 1 of raid as always

[hollow spear]

Is that mythic mug or heroic?

[short radish]

and then this happens as always

[fringe palm]

Playing sub on mugzee is trolling

[alpine wraith]

ah lol there are only 6 parses

[vestal escarp]

Week -1

[short radish]

oh yeah my bad

week -1

[alpine wraith]

well you get 2 cds on last phase and are more durable

[random hare]

Echo says hi on rwf

[alpine wraith]

most people that play sub is not die

last phase dmg intake is very high

sure you can play assa

[fringe palm]

Even if it was top dps, I don't like how it feels to play

[vestal escarp]

Overly agressive preeventive tuning

[hollow spear]

That was pre buff tho haha

[alpine wraith]

i mean buff does nothing if you are floor pov

[fringe palm]

Less trolling at that point, but still worse imo

[vale pine]

because of the cdr issues?

[alpine wraith]

i do expect more assa players tho

[hollow spear]

Sin is not the only class that's relatively squishy

[alpine wraith]

as healers get more gear

[alpine wraith]

the evokers

poor dragons just

CANT STAY ALIVE

[vestal escarp]

Tactits were dofferent there was a focus on nuking the elementals

[alpine wraith]

and yea sub is a gaol spec kinda in M

[hollow spear]

Well, evoker outburst us by like 5 mil tho if they get lucky

[alpine wraith]

assa you stay away

[hollow spear]

No pity from me

[fringe palm]

Yes, it is "interactive" and you have to think about it and plan dances but I'd enjoy it more if it lines up and you cycle dances with symbols and sectec

[random hare]

Why am I getting 3 replies per msg do people love solo that much

?!

[hollow spear]

Ofc

[alpine wraith]

ehehe they dont know

[random hare]

[vestal escarp]

We know its you zeross

[vale pine]

i feel like the problem is you can easy run out of cd charges and lack cdr

[random hare]

Solo never liked sub anyway

[vale pine]

which makes downtime punishing and planing harder

[random hare]

[alpine wraith]

should have all of us changed to solo

just to confuse more people

[vale pine]

xD also zeross why did you rename to solo

[random hare]

[random hare]

April fools cuh

[alpine wraith]

check calendar fuu

[tribal blade]

make like jaba the hutt and solo your ass in carbonite

[vale pine]

oh

[hollow spear]

Maybe fuu isn't actually fuu

[alpine wraith]

he is mecha fuu

[vale pine]

true

[random hare]

Maybe fuu isn't actually fuu

[tribal blade]

Maybe fuu isn't actually fuu

[wicked jolt]

Maybe fuu isn't actually fuu

[vestal escarp]

Maybe fuu isn't actually fuu

[hollow spear]

😮

[cloud rover]

Maybe fuu isn't actually fuu

[fringe palm]

Maybe he's whispyr do you think assa gets preferential treatment fuu?

[hollow spear]

Don't answer that

[tribal blade]

@ him and find out

do it

[hollow spear]

It's bait

[tribal blade]

coward

[vale pine]

i think assassinaiton needs buffs, its bad in single target and has dog shit talent choice in... who wants to play this abomination of a spec anyways

[hollow spear]

Preferential treatment for sub: bp gets buffed by 18%

I'd welcome that

[fringe palm]

The plot thickens

[hollow spear]

Can just unbind evis then

Make coup proc from BP too

While you're at it

[vestal escarp]

I think assa needs another buff but unironically

[hollow spear]

Especially in aoe scenarios in M+

Ironically

[vale pine]

agree, i mean did you look at DK

[hollow spear]

No

Their bar leaves my details window when they burst

Can't see

[alpine wraith]

dk left us

sadly

gone too soon

[vestal escarp]

And a 100% buff to venomous wounds

[fringe palm]

If sub is the difference to you dying your healers are terrible or you should have died there anyway. Also assa has ton of gaol dmg

[alpine wraith]

yea now who knows how it is

i can just talk about what i saw first week

[vale pine]

subtlety players arre just whiny when they are not the best spec in the game

[alpine wraith]

because im not getting there before it gets nerfed 3 times

[vale pine]

you can't please them

[alpine wraith]

true if we are not best we riot

[hollow spear]

I think that's literally all players haha

[random hare]

Isn’t that every spec

[fringe palm]

There are like 5sec after p3 bombs where evasion isn't up and you're squishy rest is fine

[small hemlock]

im playing sin till i get HoC

[fringe palm]

Feint Carrys

[small hemlock]

i cba with transmitter

[vestal escarp]

Either make sub n1 or delete it

[alpine wraith]

but let me tell you

how about you invite a warrior or MM hunter

[vale pine]

alright, lets go back to not impersonate someone else

[hollow spear]

The difference is that there's maybe more OTP in sub

[alpine wraith]

and they do 600k more dps

in execute

[hollow spear]

You don't fotm reroll

[alpine wraith]

if surv is not a problem

so now instead of having another 13th dps spec

you have a real one

[vale pine]

subtlety was partly bad for entire xpacs, so it could not rly get mainstream attention

[alpine wraith]

people will find sub funny in mop

[hollow spear]

Yeah ofc

[alpine wraith]

if they though cata was bad

there was a reason sub was a meme always until almost last raid

[hollow spear]

But sub has a lot of masochists

[alpine wraith]

our boi sinister calling

[hollow spear]

Who won't swap

[alpine wraith]

nah sub has not a lot of nothing

[hollow spear]

Wdym

[alpine wraith]

we are like 100 players

[hollow spear]

You're here

Exhibit A

[alpine wraith]

yea im 1 guy

and i have played assa and combat more than sub

sadly

[hollow spear]

There's a couple more here

[alpine wraith]

i actually got kicked out of a guild for playing sub that was a fun one

[fringe palm]

Mm is worse than bm in execute and assa is close to arms in p3 aswell. On mobile so can't link log with timeframe

[hollow spear]

(I'm one assa buff away from quitting)

[alpine wraith]

im super benched this tier

1 rogue tier unlucky

[hollow spear]

Super benched 😅

[vestal escarp]

When the bech
Is super

[alpine wraith]

havent seen 1 M boss because people need to fill vaults or gear

[hollow spear]

Aren't you looking for a different guild

Or at least a temporary group

[vestal escarp]

Whatever the worse iteration of sub gameplay could actually be >>>>> vicious venoms sin

[alpine wraith]

yea sadly i only have sims and data is very skewed from public parses

on P3 there are warriors doing almost 3m

assa is like 2.4

[fringe palm]

Assa is close to 3

If you take intermission + p3

[alpine wraith]

yea that is why i said public data stinky

ah didnt check both

[fringe palm]

It matters after Lust starts

[alpine wraith]

makes sense they pop deathmark on intermission

[small hemlock]

what boss we talking about

[alpine wraith]

ok now warrior is even higher

XD

wonder how a highroll MM does but they are nonexistent

[brittle plinth]

I feel targeted lol

[alpine wraith]

until a chad comes around

[alpine wraith]

we are in the bullseye

[brittle plinth]

Ran 2 sub rogues p1/2 cata

After prog of course

Too bad we broke up going into firelands but would of been sub straight through

[alpine wraith]

firelands sub was not pretty

[brittle plinth]

I have no context to dispute it

[vale pine]

how was mmop

i never played it

[alpine wraith]

i was there sadly i had to play tank because of how bad it was

mop was also super bad until siege

thx god for assurance of consecuence

saving us

[brittle plinth]

Timeless makes mop worth it even if everything else was bad

[vestal escarp]

That trinket basically fixes fw uptime

[alpine wraith]

tier set also helped

[vagrant thorn]

are they gonna take you with them eventually when everything has been cleared? or literally no CE for you this tier?

[vestal escarp]

Without reliance of bullshit power mods like step

[alpine wraith]

making a BS transform into ambush

[alpine wraith]

on god i hope

otherwise it would be quite dirty

[hollow spear]

Loved that trinket for the name alone

[alpine wraith]

oh also you had lei shen trink too

but that raid was combat

[hazy breach]

We should have lei shen trinket rn on live to turn our haste into crit during dance

[alpine wraith]

the tier set was super op

[hazy breach]

That would be dope

[alpine wraith]

that trinket caused the monk situation

that made them bad for whole expansions

[small hemlock]

Bring back recuperation

[alpine wraith]

also i always though original first dance was so lit

it gave a truckload of crit for 2 finishers

first raid of bfa was kinda crazy with it

also funnily enough if we had combat ToT set it would be super op for sub

making GCD 0.5 was so fun

finally we could use the energy

[worn ivy]

Tfd is not that strong as u think ive been messing arround it and most of the time u dont have enogh energy to ss in dance

[alpine wraith]

original first dance was different

it just have like almost 100% crit on a finisher

then they buffed it to 2 stacks second one with half the crit

so you had like 100% crit on first thing then like 80% on second

then they bastardized it to that +2 cp and haste

[random hare]

You need symbols inside of dance

[alpine wraith]

idk i never run out of energy in first dance

[random hare]

You can but u shouldn’t

You misplayed I think

[alpine wraith]

you get enough finishers usually

[random hare]

Like you can get oom abit

You usually first dance with full energy and symbols ready

[worn ivy]

Ill try clip it

When it happens next time

[random hare]

I know what ur talking about

[worn ivy]

Im pretty sure it was natural

[random hare]

I’m telling you tfd is very big no matter what you think it is

If you jump into a pack with dance symbols and you feint you might run into slight energy problems

But that won’t stop you from pressing something

[worn ivy]

Since no wep master on some aoe stuation i know its low chance but its still something your getting fcked when u dont have weaster i get like 4 cp into bp

[random hare]

Usually you won’t be oom if you have 7+ targets and you consume a rotten stack on shuriken storm

If you purely shadowstrike you might get oom

[worn ivy]

I mostly hold dm stacks at 6 - 7 on aor

Aoe

[random hare]

@vale pine wait can we sim pressing shuriken storm tfd+no cds?

[worn ivy]

Dance backstab as always

Even on aoe doesnt matter

Storm 2nd rotten stack

[hazy breach]

Weaponmaster does nothing

The extra hits doesnt cleave

[worn ivy]

Wait what

[hazy breach]

And even if they did it wouldnt be even close to tfd

[worn ivy]

Are u sure 2nd hit not cleaving

[hazy breach]

Yes

[random hare]

Weapon master is useless

[worn ivy]

Goddam

[random hare]

You can get away with not playing it on raid bosses too btw

On farm that is

Tfd is really big even if it happens 2-3 times the entire key

Even tho it’ll happen more than that for sure

[worn ivy]

I meld force it

Or vanish force it

Nelf helps a lot utulity wise but how big maghar orc is compare to dps ?

[hollow spear]

check bloodmallet

[honest void]

you roleplaying solo?

[alpine wraith]

tfd oversims wm for me too

mastery power

[brittle plinth]

Ignoring all situational context and simplifying it, am I expecting 2 symbols use while 90s CDs down?

[warm goblet]

!upgrade

[cloud rover]

You into roleplaying? We could do that... But you wouldnt wanna do it hahah

Unless?

[hazy breach]

Kinda yes

[honest void]

Ofc not, i wouldn't do that. You're so crazy lol. Hypothetically though what would you suggest? As a joke ofc...

[cloud rover]

Some Xalatath Vincent Van cleave Roleplay

But its not so funny ahaha, you prolly hate it

[brittle plinth]

Thank you

[honest void]

yeah for sure. I wouldn't want to see you looking like Van Cleef or anything. that would super be crazzzzzzy.

could be fun though

for someone else, not me ofc

[gritty knot]

Woa woaa woaaaaaaaah 🙈

[vale pine]

haha, out of context quote

[gritty knot]

Ye I just scrolled up and saw that haha

[mint swift]

I mean

[vale pine]

we did joke about aprils fools day

[mint swift]

Is he wrong

[vale pine]

and i inpersonated a assassination lover

[mint swift]

I mean Assa has been good for a bit tbh

[vale pine]

its the best spec since the rework in s3 DF

everywhere

[mint swift]

Yep

As rogue specs should be ;3

[vale pine]

has the lowest amounts of trade offs and gets buffed if its not the domiant rogue pick

[mint swift]

Totally not biased myself

Not at all

It’s the easiest of 3 too

So it’s kinda dumb that it’s the best

[wild vine]

if you got no hands its the easiest

otherwise its outlaw

[vale pine]

its basically a long stending problem in development

if assassiantion is tuned the best you have little reason to play the other specs

[mint swift]

I’d say Assa is easier than outlaw

[vale pine]

you saw this in:

• The entirety of Legion (with one tier of exception)
• The entirety of BfA
  for example

[wild vine]

outlaw has nothing but slightly higher apm, while even high apm in wow terms isnt really high apm.

[alpine wraith]

sub had the gall to be good in 1 legion raid

then got triple nerfed

[jaunty umbra]

difficult ≠ good

[runic trail]

I miss sub in legion sometimes, it was scuffed but fun.

Though the sprint triggering vanish thing occasionally fucked me

[vale pine]

to be fair, each of the specs had more nouances in bfa/legion too

[alpine wraith]

yea this is one of the things i will never understand people talk like they are breaking their wrists

when im thinking this is not even 200 apm with direction movement

[vale pine]

so the dev team actually had easy tuning knobs to balance out what gets played, it just wasn't utialized

[runic trail]

I hit 200apm just through shimmying between gcds probably

[wild vine]

yeah same. its literally 60yo pre-school secretary APM

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[vale pine]

it is harder now, because so much of the trade offs got elimintated in DF and TWW, all specs are now more similar

[runic trail]

Gotta do the little adadadadad between every hit

[alpine wraith]

gotta respect the adadadada

dont forget to jump too

gotta rack those apm numbers up

[runic trail]

If I jump I'm then prevented from shimmying til I land

[hollow spear]

if you jump on lockensprocker foggenmonk, you are prevented from living

[clever delta]

Imagine if they put half of effort on that April joke to actual class

[alpine wraith]

jump 3 times

[hollow spear]

wouldn't be sub

[clever delta]

But maybe asaa

[tribal blade]

lol rogue getting the shortest dev notes even on april fools post

the meme keeps on living

[clever delta]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

you can't make this stuff up

[clever delta]

They don't have budget even for joke

[tribal blade]

this is the most boomer post i've ever read

[hollow spear]

Maybe they also share dh and rogue dev for jokes?

[tribal blade]

or maybe this just isn't my style of humor

OH

i might actually know what they're trying to reference for rogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThcM_KFGcIY

i'm 90% sure this is the joke for rogue

[vale pine]

oh, are patch notes out

[tribal blade]

yes haha

yeah i think i'm right

[cloud rover]

Well the APM is prolly higher, because buttonspamming

[alpine wraith]

are they out?

[tribal blade]

they're literally referencing the video i just linked

[vale pine]

blizz with the dad jokes

link: https://www.wowhead.com/news/official-world-of-warcraft-11-4-1-patch-notes-the-more-herein-376195?utm_source=discord-webhook

[tribal blade]

read this in the voice of the video i just linked

[vestal escarp]

cringiest joke ever

sorry not sorry

[tribal blade]

nah you're right, this is ultimate dad joke vibes

it's pretty bad

[vestal escarp]

as if
gen alpha kids that find low taper fade humor funny play rog

as

if

[tidal python]

I'd get on a stage with Maiev if they gave us a warden hero spec

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-give-him-a-low-taper-fade-meme-low-taper-fade-low-tier-god-gif-5578247064056451203

[tribal blade]

they had the audacity to put a rogue bugfix in the post

when we're out here with a million things still bugged

[crystal bone]

fixed bugtlety

poggies

[cloud rover]

Blizz is like the Goergous Woman and Rogue is like the fucked up man

And Blizz says "I can fix him"

And now this Goergous Woman is also fucked up

[vale pine]

the 2 people in the front: "wtf is she doing"
the one in the background tries his best to not laugh.

[tribal blade]

haha yeah

i'm honestly a little surprised, i would have thought blizz would consider that too racist to reference

with how they've been clamping down on all things not politically correct

[vale pine]

i did not know the video, so had no idea about the reference

if its even the reference

[tribal blade]

i'm pretty sure it is, but i could be wrong

[tepid raven]

Wait I must test something

!zul

Okay it doesn’t do it anymore

[tribal blade]

!zul

is this a bfa thing

[tepid raven]

Ye

[tribal blade]

let me guess, people were asking how to play sub for zul

[cloud rover]

We dont talk about the ZUl Incident

[tepid raven]

spot on

[tribal blade]

that was truly the darkest day for sub

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[tepid raven]

I was just reminded of its existence

[tribal blade]

that one incident caused me to quit playing bfa for like a year

[tepid raven]

And was wondering if Moroes still did it

[tribal blade]

because of what they did to sub

[tepid raven]

You didn’t enjoy rogue being a 2 spec class for an entire expac

[tribal blade]

i was honestly heartbroken

when i eventually did come back to the game at the end of bfa i was greeted to a bunch of "YOU'RE PLAYING SUB??!?!?!" from people i met

[vale pine]

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[crystal bone]

i have premium and i still can't read it

ive been scammed

[vale pine]

, time to ask for a refund

[alpine wraith]

you need to be subbed to only knives

the link is hidden in the fuu sheet for dps

[oak idol]

How are the sub nerfs going?

[twilit phoenix]

Really weird

Idk why they nerfed sub again

Not even overperforming

[oak idol]

yeah

idk

[crystal bone]

i hate april 1st

[crimson meteor]

hey, what's the website you can look at when classes are pressing their CDs during fights?

I think it starts with an L I can't remember

[tribal blade]

https://lorrgs.io

[crimson meteor]

ty king <3

[tribal blade]

https://wago.io/DisableCPUProfiling so apparently this helps boost your fps in game by like ~10, but i'm not sure exactly what it does

can anyone explain like i'm 5

[cloud rover]

You start game

Addon discussing with your CPU

[twilit phoenix]

Blizz put in a passive addon profiling process that auto starts on login

[cloud rover]

everytime you start

[twilit phoenix]

And it eats cpu usage

That wa auto disables it

[cloud rover]

This Weakaura shutting them both up

[tribal blade]

ah ok, so it doesn't turn off your addon profiles like i thought it would?

[cloud rover]

No

[twilit phoenix]

No it doesn’t

[tribal blade]

like i get to keep addon profiles ive made

[twilit phoenix]

Yes

[cloud rover]

It discusses terms with CPU everytime

[tribal blade]

ok cool

[cloud rover]

how to handle it

[tribal blade]

lemme test this out

honestly not sure if it's actually doing anything, but i trust it is

[remote shuttle]

@tribal blade im using that wa from couple days, game seems smoother also in undermine, less input microlag and couple more fps

[tribal blade]

cool good to know! i'll see what happens with my game

[mint swift]

Graham

Have you considered just running the game at a higher frame rate

I heard it helps

[vestal escarp]

[tribal blade]

reeeEEEE

good point, i'll get on that

[cloud rover]

Ye Graham

[mint swift]

True

[cloud rover]

Just have more Frames

[tribal blade]

if only i had known it was this simple all along

[alpine wraith]

yea

[cloud rover]

Also

Turn on your RGB

[alpine wraith]

finance some frames

[cloud rover]

its +50 FPS

[mint swift]

Idk why people are depressed either

Just be happy ffs

[cunning root]

!log

[tribal blade]

i think there was a study that showed it unironically helps to force yourself to smile if you feel depressed

because the action of your face making a smile causes you to actually feel some level of happiness

[mint swift]

This made me smile

[tribal blade]

dopamine release yada yada

a FORCED smile?

[mint swift]

Just play like stardew valley or smth

[tribal blade]

i choose to play WoW and get unreasonably upset any time anything happens whatsoever to sub

[swift tinsel]

That's because its a personal attack

[void ocean]

Like Glasgow forced?

[swift tinsel]

there's so few of us we're all names and faces, not just stats

[hazy breach]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right [like this](<https://i.imgur.com/64iqCrN.png)
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many inbetween your burst.

[crystal bone]

[alpine wraith]

kek

[keen marten]

SB before sectec or still better after sectec right before clones hit?

[hazy breach]

Doesnt matter

[spark dawn]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[spark dawn]

is there a shadowcraft tracker like the one shindigg uses?

[keen marten]

Even better 😂

[mint swift]

For April fools the sub channel should have been marked as invisible for everyone

Cause it’s sneaky

[paper iron]

it s already hidden all the way in the bottom

dw

[vast tartan]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

No class tuning this week ?

Disappointed

[hazy breach]

They almost never do it two weeks in a row

[worn ivy]

Yo i was thinking last night about rotation. i know i cnanot cook anything at this point but are we not supposed to spread FW first than go into burst window in aoe ?

[hazy breach]

Its two weeks inbetween

[clever delta]

I'm believer sorey

[hazy breach]

Probably to gauge the impact the previous changes have had properly

[clever delta]

Sorry

[sly shore]

Dave

[hazy breach]

Next week for sure

[vale pine]

i am not sure

[hazy breach]

This week is bandit nerfs and probably mugzee nerfs

[vale pine]

haha possible

[hazy breach]

Or nvm theyll hold the mugzee nerfs until next week

[clever delta]

Hold the bandit too

[hazy breach]

So we can continue the trend of us progressing the hard fight, and then having it nerfed after tons of pulls 💀

[clever delta]

We are two raid in on bandit and I have time of my life

[worn ivy]

i swear this does not feel right. using first Sectech when mobs have no FW on them

does not feel right

[vale pine]

you are just doing it wrong

[worn ivy]

there is something we need yo change

[hazy breach]

Why not

[vale pine]

you need to progress slower

so nerfs hit before you start progressing

[hazy breach]

Sure you could apply fw before and have your sectech do 2% more damage

[autumn glade]

sectec is mostly shadow damage, it doesn't matter

[worn ivy]

you got my point right.?,

[cloud rover]

Whats worse is the no Bandit nerf

Thing

[worn ivy]

for example if i open 8t with strike into flag into ruputure than dance backstab symbols ----- as soon as i press sectech i didnt apply any fw

this is im talking about

[hazy breach]

Yes, and im asking why it matters

[worn ivy]

how can i do that instead

to apply fw first

[hazy breach]

Why

[autumn glade]

Why though

[lilac stag]

https://giphy.com/gifs/btqU9V0Z48j3in2xBu

[worn ivy]

applying fw 30% armor ignore

[hazy breach]

FW buffs physical damage by 10%

Sectech is 75-80% shadow, so it would only get ~2% more damage

[autumn glade]

It means nothing lol, the majority of sectec damage is shadow, only the initial hit is phys

[worn ivy]

my question is it worth to apply fw firstr

or it doesnt matter

this i need to know 😄

[autumn glade]

we've literally said it doesn't matter multiple times

[worn ivy]

ok than im sorry

[autumn glade]

Trying to fish for it will probably make you lose more damage focusing on that than just doing the rotation

[sly shore]

lashga isn't known for reading comprehension

[paper iron]

this is not riot, this is blizzard, one patch every 2 month

[autumn glade]

In 8t+ though, you're gonna use bp and yeah, with rotten you'll still shuriken storm to spread fw to proc shadowed finishers on bp but, that's still 2nd generator after symbols

You're not doing it for sectec

[worn ivy]

yeye that i know

im doing that anyways ty for the help

[dawn cobalt]

kinda new to sub, is this breakdown ok or am i doing something wrong? Taken from 13 rookery
I could probably do more bp but i try to prio the big mobs instead

[pulsar hemlock]

What's the likelihood of mythic BoE's this week? This is week 5 I believe

[remote shuttle]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[vestal escarp]

when the theater

is painful

[clever delta]

Next week is raid buff?

[swift tinsel]

8% aura buff, yeah

plus 8% DR

(pretty sure this week is 10% movespeed and self-res)

[calm kraken]

should i macro symbols and shadow dance together?

[rain kernel]

is sub falling off in higher keys...like i noticed i can keep up in overall in the 14s i did...last week...compared to other dps..and others getting gear

[alpine wraith]

sub never did stellar dmg it is just fine tho

[lilac stag]

Blow up the bosses.

[rain kernel]

fair... but like...on a competitive level...like i noticed...not having cds...im doing tank dmg..and maybe that will cost us some keys?

[lilac stag]

no

[alpine wraith]

yea that is kinda how sub works

no cds no dmg

[lilac stag]

You’re lucky to do tank dmg or your tanks are bad

[clever delta]

I mean the raid buff from rep

[lilac stag]

Healer dmg is more applicable without cds

[rain kernel]

in a 3min fight...you do basically the same dmg as some of the s tier dps...apart from the burst..it levels out to others

[swift tinsel]

should be the following week

[lilac stag]

If you’re getting 3 flags off and not topping something is wrong

[swift tinsel]

last week was skip, this week is self-rez and OoC movespeed

[rain kernel]

yea anothe dynamic to know when to save cds..on pulls u can benefit on...and just do no dmg on some pulls cause of it..kinda hurts the spec..i just dont want it to be the reason that we lose timer..

[lilac stag]

The spec is fine. You need to work with the other Dps and tank.

at high keys your cds should be up

without a lot of thinking

[rain kernel]

you dont really get value on the 3rd one..but maybe with higher end gear*ilvl...maybe the burst gets higher..so that makes up for when u dont

[lilac stag]

when stuff starts dropping too fast it can get awkward / starved.

What is your ilvl?

[rain kernel]

yep yep...the sucky part of this spec is..when u need to hold dance and symbols..cause the mobs are just too low..and u wont have it for next pull...and have to hold for 2dance 2 symbols...and that happens quite a bit in keys...maybe im playing with bursty specs or specs with good aoe

[rain kernel]

664

[hazy breach]

Typically if youre ever at 2 charges of dances youve fucked up

And you shouldve sent earlier

You only really need 1½ charge of death for when you flag

[lilac stag]

Read what eleem said.

[calm kraken]

whats the reasoning behind not macroing symbols and dance? sorry im a noob

[alpine wraith]

on your second dance in cds

you dont use symbols with dance

[clever delta]

i think im washed up

i feel like im doing some mistakes im not aware of

i fight the cdr all the time

[lilac stag]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[calm kraken]

that makes perfect sense

thank you

thats the explanation my simpleton brain need

[royal whale]

Does taking weaponmaster over the first dance change the dmg profile much in keys?

[hazy breach]

Weaponmaster is never better in keys

That talent does nothing in aoe

[royal whale]

its simming 20k higher for me lol

i take it it cant benefit from nimble flury or smth?

[hazy breach]

Ye because tfd doesnt get resets in dslice

So its literally only the first one

[royal whale]

ahh

[coarse tundra]

guys u use any shadowdance backstab macro for dance macabre ?

[royal whale]

ye just put backstab on sep hotkey so u can press it once for buff

[coarse tundra]

ah okay 😄 thats a solution also

[swift tinsel]

hero track HoC lfg

[muted agate]

i love game

another dogshit vault

[strange chasm]

is this trinket good or bad

[swift tinsel]

Its hit or miss

literally

Quite big if it procs for blades

quite meh otherwise

[strange chasm]

kinda doo doo vault

[warm marlin]

cloak not bad if you don't have already

cata cloak is mast/vers iirc

[strange chasm]

already crafted 😦

[muted agate]

its

a SAD angle bro

[alpine wraith]

azerokk is the highroll trink

50% chance to pop off

it procs or it doesnt

[muted agate]

works everytime half the time

[dusty totem]

Socket time 0.15% crit and 200 sec stat it is huuge

https://tenor.com/view/cheer-up-be-happy-smile-gif-24602036

[strange chasm]

so when it pops off its giga

[swift tinsel]

Yeah its noticeably large but its def luck

been playing with one since like week 2 or 3 and the amount of times it procs in the opener/blades windows is not many

[lilac stag]

kekw assa time?

[swift tinsel]

Lol this is the first week I haven't gotten signet in vault

[lilac stag]

everything else is trash

so it's that or a donut

[swift tinsel]

got myth algari concordence and plume but nabbed a heroic hoc

[alpine wraith]

i had to choose between signet and HoC

didnt think twice

[lilac stag]

i have hoc

saves me 30 gilded at least

[hazy breach]

Really good if it procs during cds, really bad if it doesnt

Fine on average

[clever delta]

do you guys still game the circlet

i did some simming and the circlet is even with 665 m+ rings

[lilac stag]

yep

[fierce wigeon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

yea big mastery

it also works with procs

sadly does not work with house of cards

[delicate wind]

my vault is so bad

[hushed roost]

heroic hoc or myth gloves hmm

[alpine wraith]

oh nice house of cards

well in theory those gloves are very good

[hushed roost]

yeah

[still sundial]

Myth gloves are boss 2 though no?

[shut ridge]

still weaponless but we take it

[hollow spear]

My energy drink sims about as well as my 665 pacemaker 😦

[alpine wraith]

energy drink is bae

[hollow spear]

And the energy drink is champ only

[alpine wraith]

i managed to get a hero mechanocore

[hollow spear]

I need to get a heroic energy drink

[shut ridge]

not sure i'm ready to bench my thugs though...

[hollow spear]

I hate Eleem

[alpine wraith]

only a lil better than drink even with the ilvl diff

[twilit phoenix]

Ez hoc

[young roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hushed roost]

yea you're right

[twilit phoenix]

Gz btw

[sand thistle]

i got 26k mastery should go moar mastery or split it between crit/versa

what is cap on mastery i should get

[alpine wraith]

no cap on mastery

but best you can do is sim

[sand thistle]

i should do stats weight ?

[alpine wraith]

no just top gear the gear that you have

if it still says big mastery then it is ok

[wicked urchin]

myth pants we take those

[haughty rose]

can someone give me an example of an enrage effect that shiv dispells from a season 2 dungeon?

[thorny rivet]

TOP, raging bull dude at beginning

Also 1st boss

[haughty rose]

ok thank you

[bold plume]

sim say the chest is "best" but idk, i have house of cards and vial from deeps, and azeroth fragment

[twilit phoenix]

jubon de jugador espectral is definitely the move

normal kezan would be troll here

[bold plume]

thanks

[unique mauve]

is crafting engi head piece with mastery troll as hell?

[twilit phoenix]

just sim it man

we use tier helm

but there are so many bis profiles idk

tier gloves are pretty doodoo caca stinky diaper splatter poopoo for us

crit/haste

[unique mauve]

i did sim it, just its so close with other options, i'd rather not waste the spark for short-term gain, think i'll wait for now

[queen kraken]

Is there any world in which we keep up with assa and outluls on 14+ keys? Except top

[stiff stirrup]

can you activate dance while the previous one is still running?

[queen kraken]

Nope

[slate marlin]

wtf +22 fps on dornogal

[gloomy slate]

dat moment when u have to bribe a dude 150k gold to trade u house of cards LFR veteran cus its better than any mythic trinket as sub

dude was a mage who alrdy had better gear

[lilac stag]

or you couls have spent 60 mintues farming 700 conquest and get the PVP badge

[twilit phoenix]

pvp trinket is slept on

[tepid trellis]

why pvp when cannot pvp

[lilac stag]

[tepid trellis]

[lilac stag]

can you ride a mount around?

all you need to do

[tepid trellis]

no, i wanna win

im too competitive

[lilac stag]

get too crate first

you win

[tepid trellis]

or you get swammed by 30 ally playes

then u dont

[twilit phoenix]

when there is a horde + ally group both farming it's actually king fun

2 40-man raid groups moshing at the crate

[lucid jackal]

Literally how can a vault even be this garbage

How is it possible

[tepid trellis]

big crest save trinket

[clever delta]

surely my vault is better tommorow

[lilac stag]

did you ask eleem to bless it?

[lucid jackal]

It isnt

Because I dont have a 2nd trinket

So this isnt even crests saved

like I dont have a house of cards

[clever delta]

transmitter gamers

[tepid trellis]

well half the crest to upgrade to that level

[lucid jackal]

..?

[tepid trellis]

without a trinket that level you would need to upgrade both trinkets to that level

also

how do u not have HoC?

[lucid jackal]

because I dont have house of cards

[tepid trellis]

what was the point of your fcking splits then

id jump

ong

[small hemlock]

Le cri

[clever delta]

we did not get single HOC KEZAN or ring 😄

[lucid jackal]

None of the above!

No house of cards, no eye of kezan, no jaster :)

[tepid trellis]

i only have HoC

[twilit phoenix]

[tepid trellis]

seen a few of the others drop tho

[alpine wraith]

stats on roulette?

[lucid jackal]

Garbage

[tepid trellis]

only kezan is an upgrade for me tho

[clever delta]

i have kezan but is it even good

[alpine wraith]

what dcrit haste or

[lucid jackal]

crit vers

Its heroic

Its not mythic

[tepid trellis]

on a 5min sim it isnt

[lucid jackal]

I'm not taking it

[alpine wraith]

oof

[twilit phoenix]

what a stinker guy

[alpine wraith]

then socket boi

[twilit phoenix]

sorry bro

[lucid jackal]

Maybe on fucking heroic man

Its the best trinket by far on mythic

[spark patio]

Socket gang

[limpid sage]

Belt is decent no?

[tepid trellis]

but you go above that and it becomes very good

[alpine wraith]

well lock and stalk is good for outlaw

[young mural]

please help my ass please please

i dont have a cata this week

[clever delta]

yeaj but i play pacemaker on progress anyway

[young mural]

using it on last week's chest piece

[clever delta]

we wiping at 2min:D

[young mural]

should i go beltg

belt

[clever delta]

imagiune having mythic wep must be good

did not see one yet

im cursed this tier like never before

[modest river]

!rik

[gloomy slate]

if pvp trinket was good i'd use it

im sitting on a glad mount rn bro

[lilac stag]

lol it's good

[gloomy slate]

[lilac stag]

but go on

[clever delta]

pvp trinket is proapbvly same as LFR hoc

[lucid jackal]

I am so fucking tired

of the vault dude

Its been like

10 tiers in a row of just dogshit every single vault

its soooooooooooo boring playing a gear game

and u just dont get gear

[gloomy slate]

at least theres no timestrike dagger this time

[tepid trellis]

think its just a rogue thing tbh

[pulsar hemlock]

658 pvp badge is about equal to heroic transmitter, also minus the minigame

[tepid trellis]

my vaults have never been good either

[gloomy slate]

sad when lfr house beats 658 pvp trinket

[lucid jackal]

Like look at these bro

Only good one is pacemaker

WHICH ISNT EVEN GOOD

BECAUSE THEY BUFFED EVERY FUCKING TRINKET IN THE GAME 10X

[young mural]

cant complain about myth pacemaker

[pulsar hemlock]

Sorry I thought we were comparing transmitter, my b

[young mural]

im getting COMPLETELY RINSED in these vaults

fuck me

[lucid jackal]

yeah I can watch me

[dry plank]

Vexie trinket good

[young mural]

HELP ME @lucid jackal do i pick that trashy trinket?

@twilit phoenix help me too

please

[twilit phoenix]

probably belt or shoulders idk

shoulders cata next time you get a charge

that belt would be good for outlaw if you're playing it at all this tier

crit/vers I think

otherwise, might be a socket week

[young mural]

im trying, just cant get to the haste requirements

i have no fucking gear

yhea ill go belt, dont want to wait 2 weeks for another cata charge

its pretty good for all rogue specs too so thats a plus

thank for help somnios

[honest brook]

guys anyone can explain to me how trickster dot work on sub or should i track something about that trickster dot in rotation ( new to sub)

[brazen stone]

wat are bis trinkets for sub again for keys?

house of cards and

thug hotline?

[delicate wind]

this is sadly an upgrade sigh

lfr locking me into this trinket for the rest of ever

[twilit phoenix]

pvp on-use trinket might sim on par or better than vet track HOC

[delicate wind]

it sims lower by 2k

[twilit phoenix]

oh shit

i mean

2k is what like

0.01%

[dense lichen]

That’s basically margin of error territory

[delicate wind]

i mean ya probably but still it's better

[twilit phoenix]

exactly

if you have an alt that can use HOC

I'd just send it to an alt and farm the pvp trinket on rogue

[delicate wind]

nothing else to do wih it. fuck alts haha

[twilit phoenix]

ah fair enough

[delicate wind]

i already have the pvp trinket sadly

just got it yesterday

[twilit phoenix]

i apologize I wasn't aware

[delicate wind]

haha it's not your fault. just funny the game did that to me

[dense lichen]

Lmao same thing happened to me. Spent hours farming the PvP trinket and then got HoC the very next day

[delicate wind]

and i also got this in lfr. maybe i do need an alt

[keen patrol]

what is our best spec for m+

in general

[twilit phoenix]

depends on the key

and key level

[keen patrol]

high keys

[twilit phoenix]

you can play any spec you want up to like 14s/15s

higher keys probably sin pulls ahead

outlaw/sub might still be good in TOP + Mechagon

[dense lichen]

Even then, highest ranked NA rogue right now is Outlaw

[wispy zephyr]

Assa on Xav at ToP sounds horrible

[dense lichen]

He just plays in a comp that works well with the spec

[soft stump]

are there any abilities i can macro together?

[alpine wraith]

yea you can macro toys

[dense lichen]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[hazy breach]

Not really, unless you also have them seperately bound elsewhere

[dense lichen]

You can macro SecTech and Cold Blood but you need SecTech on a separate keybind on its own

[rustic mortar]

Well you Could go for st with cb fe. And Dance + Symbols but u also Need to get the abilitys as non macro so I Go for the First st ist wirhout Macro 2nd ist with maco

[soft stump]

so then id just macro cb with st and have st as its own ability

[dense lichen]

Yes

For example I have SecTech bound to T, and CB+SecTech on Shift-T

[soft stump]

im used to assassination so i have things bound to deathmark and my is is shiv+tea but i also have a separate button for tea

[rustic mortar]

I know they Are Saying Shiv + Tea ist Fine but I hate it

Since shiv is 8 and tea is 6

[soft stump]

like my deatmark is mark+trinket slot 1+pot

[rustic mortar]

So u loose the big ones with mastery buff

Thats Fine tho

[dense lichen]

You can do the same thing for Shadow Blades

Unless you’re using Transmitter, then you’d ideally macro that to Flagellation

[soft stump]

dont have transmitter sadly lol

[dense lichen]

Just get the PvP trinket, it’s basically the same thing. Unless you already have something better

[soft stump]

just house and mechanocore amp, and spare keys

[dense lichen]

Then ya, macro House of Cards to Shadow Blades.
You can also macro Backstab to Shadow Dance so you don’t have to keep it on a separate keybind.

[twilit phoenix]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[hexed sluice]

Ive a crafted dagger, and heroic rik in offhand. Its probs the myth track dagger move crafted to offhand right? I already have a socketed helm/wrists. and my belt is just heroic cauldron until crafted in a 4 weeks.

[devout quarry]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[soft stump]

guess i need to go farm some conq then for the trinket lol

[dense lichen]

Just join a War Crate group. Takes a couple hours and no effort.

[soft stump]

i was just gonna go farm honor gear and grind out blitz eventually

[dense lichen]

Up to you, but you get honor in war crates too so you can gear up for PvP without having to first get steamrolled by everyone that already has gear

[hollow spear]

Why would you do that if you have house? Or is your house from lfr?

[soft stump]

whats our other trinket then?

[hollow spear]

Any passive trinket

Dual on use is not a thing right now

Actually not true. Dual on use stat trinkets is not a thing right now.

The on use damage ones, like from vexie or Mugzee are okay.

[soft stump]

thats fine then

i mean from it looks like i can use my bis from assassination which is house and pacemaker

[dense lichen]

Yep, thats one of the best combos for Sub too

Better than for Assa honestly because HoC actually lines up with our CDs

[azure thicket]

so just schmurder priority targets

and let aoe get handled by other specs?

i guess just wondering if there's any recovery if you pop shadow dance/symbols at the wrong time lke before boss phases or rp or whatever

seems like vanish is an extra shadowstrike and cry?

[alpine wraith]

we do decent aoe but nothing crazy

with cds

[azure thicket]

i guess also do we need to spread rupture for any reason

just tracking find weakness/sod/shadow dance/shadow blades at this point

[dense lichen]

Yes, it’s ur cheapest finisher and does ok damage. Spread it while mobs are still being gathered

[azure thicket]

hold alt and click rupture on kit kats alright

esp off cds etc

[dense lichen]

Just don’t press it while you’re in shadow dance

Only use during downtime

[azure thicket]

klendathu drop but last time i played sub was a 18 dawn of the infinite twin dragon boss

thanks

[thick temple]

whast pvp trink called again is a badge of ferocity

[alpine wraith]

prized gladiator badge of ferocity yea

[hasty mirage]

The ML trinket that has mastery and agility proc ain’t a good option ?

[swift tinsel]

Its okay

[alpine wraith]

it is very hit or miss

[drifting fable]

FINALLY

[alpine wraith]

it can highroll or not

[drifting fable]

Free from this prison

[alpine wraith]

pog

[swift tinsel]

this is the week I replace Azerokk with Zee's

manifesting