i dont think i have pressed cheap once this season yet
#subtlety
leaden prairie
leaden prairie
surely it will come
alpine wraith
that has one
autumn flame
And we had infinite dance uptime in slands
alpine wraith
i dont think i have pressed cheap once this season yet
i do it in top the necro area is bis
the poor casters
fringe palm
i dont think i have pressed cheap once this season yet
if you havnt unbound snd you probably used it more than cheapshot
autumn flame
Just cloak noobs
leaden prairie
if you havnt unbound snd you probably used it more than cheapshot
oh dont worry about snd 
leaden prairie
you dont do keys tho
snd is a key thing
for real gamers
with a z
the gamerz
fringe palm
why do keys if can do no keys
leaden prairie
sly shore
doing keys physically rots your brain
seen it too many times
"I only raid so I can get gear for keys"
leaden prairie
"I only raid so I can get gear for keys"
these people arent real tho
just do both
enjoy both
like the game was made to be
!!
alpine wraith
you forgot to enjoy pvp too
leaden prairie
no
alpine wraith
or some good bdsm
sonic ermine
like the game was made to be
Buddy... game is made for delves now. M+ and raid is old school
fringe palm
like the game was made to be
i have ascended to enjoy the game even more, 3 weeks prog into 3 months raidlogging 
leaden prairie
Buddy... game is made for delves now. M+ and raid is old school
ye i did my delves already
alpine wraith
i miss those times tbh
leaden prairie
dont need to anymore
sonic ermine
ye i did my delves already
Holy, actual delver. I gotta unfollow ur stream now
leaden prairie
alpine wraith
i check zac's stream sometimes to lurk a bit
alpine wraith
always enjoy 7th monitor
crystal bone
1k delves 
leaden prairie
7 monitors??
sonic ermine
I got zac in background while im gaming for the music. Goated songs
crystal bone
ive done like maybe 50 since tww
leaden prairie
What you doing with that many monitors
leaden prairie
I got zac in background while im gaming for the music. Goated songs
I love how
People either love my song choices
Or litteraly hate it
sonic ermine
People either love my song choices
Everytime i watched lately. I yoinked 2-3 songs for my own playlist
sonic ermine
Some people just come in my stream just to say I listen to shit music
Kinda based
bleak wind
ye i did my delves already
leaden prairie
astral minnow
someone said delvs
alpine wraith
HE'S OVERHIRING GUYS
most of the work i do is consulting
so usually companies give laptops
most i've had is 5
depending on active contracts
slate marlin
ye i did my delves already
what noggenfoger and speed scroll farm does to a man
slate marlin
stuff needs to be way more op for me to step on a delve as rogue
alpine wraith
feral and warr are so easy on delve
my mage struggles a bit more but he is also like 607
but can still do 8s
limpid sage
I feel like rogue was prob the easiest delve gearing experience
just perma tricks healer brann
scarlet gull
Are SoD and Shadow Dance of GCD?
tepid trellis
yeh
scarlet gull
So if I have free keybind is it useful to make SoD + SD + Backstab macro ?
Getting old hard to press all three
for the burst phase that is
sonic hamlet
Getting old hard to press all three
time to go BM hunter
scarlet gull
yeah but i that cover on other binds
tepid trellis
the annoying part
is thinking you are close to a kill
just to pull it 40 times more
cuz people die to flames/coins
or randomly not having dmg on an add set
12% pull into 50 more pulls before kill was fun
clever delta
That happened to us already at sprocket
15% pull into next 50
Value of cheath death on this fight is smg else compared to sprocket where they push you out of platform
tepid trellis
just hope you don get asked to hold your last set of cds in p1
clever delta
What for
clever delta
We dotn have dmg
So we are fine
Mages refuse to switch target to they cleave off only melee add 😄
clever delta
Our ranged add not diing
short radish
well they arent meant to swap
Are we meant to swap?
tepid trellis
yes
short radish
I hate adds
leaden prairie
we didnt really hold dps
tepid trellis
we had to stop for 15-20
leaden prairie
We probably had low boss damage tho
tepid trellis
it was great
leaden prairie
Cause we had a weird comp
With not many ranged
Had to swap our druid healer to Boomie to be able to kill adds
tepid trellis
we had 3x sp 2x lock 2x dev
clever delta
Our helaer priest play sp
tepid trellis
so did one of ours
clever delta
Lame season
leaden prairie
we had 3x sp 2x lock 2x dev
Woa good comp actually
tepid trellis
Cause we had a weird comp
like i looked at boss health when my cds were 5sec from being back and the boss is 1% away from phasing -.-
alpine wraith
yea you kinda do
tepid trellis
lavish nebula
!makro
rocky totem
some people in your raid are not pressing the correct buttons i think
leaden prairie
dw about it cuh
Our Boomie is our healer, and the second sp is the raid leader
So make sense they are low a bit
rocky totem
Sub rogue beating dot lock on add damage is some alternate dimension stuff
leaden prairie
I am sending 2 sets of CDs on them tbf
tepid trellis
Sub rogue beating dot lock on add damage is some alternate dimension stuff
only way that is doable if he aint hitting em
leaden prairie
If you look at the first 2 set I'm doing z dps
alpine wraith
aff should be doing a lot more or maybe they just die earluy
they are good but not as good as shadow and devoker
because they ned to ramp kinda
tepid trellis
Uggz how many rogues did you have prepared for this tier?
rocky totem
Uggz how many rogues did you have prepared for this tier?
16
alpine wraith
pog
tepid trellis
rocky totem
rocky totem
Had some extra classes sprinkled in so I didn’t lose my sanity
alpine wraith
maybe some were busted
rocky totem
Had a shaman, dh, spriest and a war
sly shore
rocky totem
how many were outlaw tho
Only like 3-4 I think
leaden prairie
tepid trellis
real answer shouldve been 0
leaden prairie
wtf ..
rocky totem
leaden prairie
guyyss ..
alpine wraith
someone has to soak the special weps
leaden prairie
stopp ..
rocky totem
My guild gets mad when outlaw might be good
alpine wraith
if there are now ww or dh on the split
tepid trellis
go press KS on locken zac
leaden prairie
go press KS on locken zac
brother
tepid trellis
leaden prairie
evne on bosses
sly shore
leaden prairie
you think its fine
its not
before getting to it i tought it would be fine on bandit
HELL THE FUCK NO
tepid trellis
the fact they havent changed that spell is KEKW
rocky totem
I did 2 keys with the trickster build and it tilted me so much I’m never playing that dogshit ever again
leaden prairie
Lately I have had to rage quit the game every time I try doing keys
It's unfortunate I love current outlaw
But I keep killing myself
tepid trellis
HELL THE FUCK NO
they will fix 2x coup before KS, thats 100% for sure
leaden prairie
And I look like a fool
leaden prairie
they will fix 2x coup before KS, thats 100% for sure
Ye probably
I also thought I could ks on mugzee
HELL THE FUCK NO
alpine wraith
sad that you cant do it on sub because no 0.8 gcd
tepid trellis
positive bug, hell nah
alpine wraith
sad
sly shore
there's two things outlaw players hate for their class
leaden prairie
Litteraly can't press when bombs are alive
sly shore
change and the way things are
tepid trellis
change and the way things are
ok that is just too real
to be fair tho
im the same
xD
i hate sub
and i love sub
rocky totem
The button is just unpressable on any boss after Stix
alpine wraith
im still sad they made a bait and switch with tier set
rocky totem
Incredible design
rocky totem
Are you nearly free
tepid trellis
im on mug'zee so like 2 weeks more or so
tepid trellis
just depends how quick mugzee dies
alpine wraith
im sad that im benched for whole prog
tepid trellis
dont think gally will take us long
alpine wraith
think mug zee will take a beating this or next reset
sly shore
gally is a 50-100 puller now
leaden prairie
im sad that im benched for whole prog
did you try to play outlaw on prog or what
tepid trellis
personally i think we should have had mug'zee nearly dead now but we played too bad on Stix and locken
leaden prairie
think they lowkey hate me
outlaw one trick? I get that
alpine wraith
not like i enjoy the tier
tepid trellis
so we are behind
alpine wraith
outlaw one trick? I get that
yea man frfr
alpine wraith
personally i think we should have had mug'zee nearly dead now but we played too ...
my guild had 3 wipes on single digit sprocket
to eating balls
dirty purple balls
alpine wraith
yea it was already nerfed
rocky totem
Only 3 is a high roll honestly
leaden prairie
I almost fucked up the kill by soaking balls 
rocky totem
Oh I guess it depends which ball set yeah
leaden prairie
I love balls
alpine wraith
the 6 min ones
tepid trellis
2nd set
rocky totem
…
tepid trellis
dark floaty fuckers
rocky totem
Last phase locken the purple balls bud
tepid trellis
that 1 taps your raid
leaden prairie
swear there is only one set
rocky totem
There’s 3 sets if you’re slow 🙂
tepid trellis
depends on when the boss dies
leaden prairie
you guys are killing bosses too early
tepid trellis
first happens at like 5:20
leaden prairie
never seen it
rocky totem
Yeah that last set of overlaps is not normally they had to remove that shit immediately for normal people
alpine wraith
makes sense you have decent dps
tepid trellis
Yeah that last set of overlaps is not normally they had to remove that shit imme...
beams suck and balls
leaden prairie
Skill issue no cap
alpine wraith
literal
hoary orchid
is the circlet simming correctly? Not even 6/6 jastor is better
leaden prairie
I played the boss in easy mode no cap
rocky totem
Too low dps
My class sucked dick so I got no loot how can do damage gg
leaden prairie
Gg
alpine wraith
i have gotten 0 loot from raid
rocky totem
This is a thing ?
It is borderline unplayable you just send half the raid to the wall and you had to suicide if a ball came at you 
tepid trellis
This is a thing ?
yeh it was on the third set
tepid trellis
it was funny to watch
leaden prairie
i tougth we were roughtly progging at the same speed
tepid trellis
5:40 or smth like that
leaden prairie
ah
hoary orchid
!sheet
leaden prairie
so just low dps skill issue
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leaden prairie
i died from that last gateway once like a noob
me sad
Bro If I could have just played outlaw ..
I would have just grappled..
rocky totem
alpine wraith
lots of people died to rot from going to far mines
there are some funny deaths to eating the bear trap
it can mesh really well
in all the chaos
leaden prairie
lots of people died to rot from going to far mines
Ye I'm glad I had cheat death for that
But why am I doing far mine
Send them ranges !
alpine wraith
yea guess feint is big
but maybe zac had the dot from the boomers
that one hurts
or diff heals
alpine wraith
most of the fight is you sting an add
or cleaving off the boss
there is only 1 time you get big adds and 1 time little adds
fallow nimbus
Just go full st and cleave
alpine wraith
one at 1:30 the other i dont know
well it is more like at 1:40 or a bit later as the reel assistants need to die
and also put the coins in
alpine wraith
you will need to go to far adds likely
every time it is left and right
unless your spread cleave comp is cracked
clever delta
yeah boss is pulled to far add with mele
mint swift
Tbh they need to make sub more purple
clever delta
or more pink, depend who you ask
mint swift
Like make evic cause you to be invis or purple for like 2 seconds and then strike
as if you are like
inbetween shadows
Then again that would just be a shadowstrike
fallow nimbus
We've seen the whole fight now we just need to stop getting squished by coins and flames
mint swift
We've seen the whole fight now we just need to stop getting squished by coins an...
I assume in one armed right
Unless your at some casino where some dude is getting dogpiled
If so just send clips please
alpine wraith
tbh rolling person sized coins seems quite cool
also no idea if gore is not allowed
maybe spoiler it just in case
queen kraken
am i doing something wrong or can it happen that u dont get coup before big sectec on bosspull?
alpine wraith
it is possible yes
you really only get 3 for sure unseens
1 of those afterwards is rng reset
or after you sec tech for the second time
then you get 2 more for sure
civic wasp
hello there
new rogue here
can someone recommend some light -not too fancy- WAs like quazii's for example?
sly shore
!wa
wicked joltBOT
civic wasp
ty!
limpid sage
do you still do the degen optimization thingy of not using evis/bp when cds are coming up?
sly shore
no
you can BP instead of Evis if you have coup and flag is 20s or less away
but other than that, no
limpid sage
I actually tried to sim that and to me it was neutral to have/not have the coup conditionals
limpid sage
ahh that's what my sim used the singular BP for
alpine wraith
damn i have 664 and im a 0/8 M raider
vocal crypt
i will flex my sub gear here if you dont mind
? where is this a flex i have the same without raiding
alpine wraith
he is just unlucky
clever delta
thats the flex i play naked
clever delta
i farmed all slots in m+ week 1 and did not progress since:)
and im back to palying transmitter too i love this game
gray nymph
Does anyone have a 10 yrd range check to see if there are 7+ enemys for shurikan storm or black powder?
paper rock
i farmed all slots in m+ week 1 and did not progress since:)
If you did you wouldnt be 661
clever delta
🙂
wild vine
Does anyone have a 10 yrd range check to see if there are 7+ enemys for shurikan...
I think the range check WAs dont work anymore since quite some time ago
gray nymph
oh ok
clever delta
you mean transmitter
chrome palm
heroic 6/6 ring 🙈
haughty mural
!wa
wicked joltBOT
haughty mural
Does anyone have a 10 yrd range check to see if there are 7+ enemys for shurikan...
you can use fuus target in range tracker
dusty totem
Why is sub losing to assa on almost all bosses? Should sub not have better st?
hazy breach
Not sure what you mean by "should"
dusty totem
sims
and yeah i know i know but on figths like sprocket i feel like the sub should do more dmg than assa
But clearly i am missing something
twilit phoenix
you can't make me raid as sin
lethal thorn
!guide
mint swift
you can't make me raid as sin
Why not
lethal thorn
!fuu
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paper rock
and yeah i know i know but on figths like sprocket i feel like the sub should do...
Sprocket doesnt rly have high uptime on find weakness and most kills arent that great killtime wise for sub
And by uptime i mean, youre barely ever actually hitting his back
tame terrace
for rik, should i be trying to line cds with some adds or just send at the beginning
and pray
honest brook
guys do you use any macro at full cd opener?
dusty totem
Sprocket doesnt rly have high uptime on find weakness and most kills arent that ...
Thx never really thought about find weakness uptime makes sense tho
glossy turtle
what is the range of sub cleave?
pulsar hemlock
Group hug them
bleak night
if boss is on barrels hit boss
if boss is not on barrels hit barrels
you dont need to hit your flag target
tepid trellis
one thing to note
sectech clone hits around the boss
and the range isnt that big
so for max barrel dmg sometimes you gotta smack them instead
with it
bleak night
yeah my tanks dont move boss to save a life so unless spawns are great i have to sectec the barrels themselves
tame terrace
s flag boss then swap adds or just flag barrels if not near boss
bleak night
normally you have flag going before barrels spawn
glossy turtle
yes
bleak night
so its just on boss
tame terrace
ah
glossy turtle
I send my cds 14 sec into the fight
paper iron
i wish sectech was arround u instead of arround the target
bleak night
same
just so that aoe effects are consistant
everything except sectec is around you
lusty narwhal
!fuu
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vocal crypt
Do you use vers flask or chaos flask for m+ as Assa
tame terrace
i use vers for survivability as ass in higher keys, but this is sub channel shrug
vocal crypt
I mean as sub
sry 😄
as Assa you use Chaos normally because you dont have "bad stats"
but as Sub you have haste which is the biggest shit ever
fallen crescent
I use vers flask cause my vers too low
mighty citrus
anything i can do against slow initializing team?
vale pine
anything i can do against slow initializing team?
update takes a bit, one of our guild members is also stuck in "updating"
hasty mirage
I just got my alt rogue to 660 this week and my god it feels so underwhelming in keys , apart from nice boss dmg and the crazy burst I can’t reach a BM, mage ,druid( feral and balance) I feel like the details is missing out on some damage that what I feel lol
Battling with tank for dps position is so cooked
real panther
I was looking at the stats on wlogs. Cyrce need a nerf, sub need a buff, am I wrong?
real panther
haha
hazy breach
I just got my alt rogue to 660 this week and my god it feels so underwhelming in...
Spec takes some time to get used to
Gotta make sure you always get your 2x symbols, 2x dances and 2x sectechs inside your blades
hasty mirage
First time I swapped from outlaw to a different spec since pandaria , but I get like the resource management is way too horrible despite the fact we have some big downtime windows whereas other classes can just pump
gloomy loom
!sheet
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hazy breach
I mean ye the downtime damage outside dance is low
rustic mortar
Sub Nerds a 10% buff through the Board … id you Compuare st you cannot compete it you Go for aoe you cannot compete either
hazy breach
But overall should still be fine, especially for 10s, for example https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tQj6Kx4CmyBnHZ8W?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3
hasty mirage
If we can get a max spread of ruptures that will help a little
hazy breach
ST in raid could use a buff, but i doubt well get anything large (if at all)
rapid kite
sup team, how good is sub vs mythic one armed bandit ? I heard it has a bad dmg profile but idk
hazy breach
Its good, its among the few specs that can kill the adds at 1:50
alpine wraith
we are important where it matterws
hasty mirage
And more cb’S from backstab tbh or an energy reduction or gcd reduction like outlaws
hazy breach
Monks being the other big one
rapid kite
all the top logs I see the sub using their cd's on cooldown
but that does not align with adds
hasty mirage
U can be a key saver or wipe saver , but at the end ur below everyone
rapid kite
would it be ''better'' for the first kill to hold a bit at start and get it back for 3rd adds ?
hazy breach
but that does not align with adds
It does
You just hold your second flag for 1:45ish
rapid kite
oh i getcha
hazy breach
Right before the cc immune adds spawn
rapid kite
i was wondering how bad it is to swap onto an add that you won't have an unseenblade on (fazed) during cds
hazy breach
Fazed doesnt matter
rapid kite
like how bad is coup de gracing a non fazed target if u actually need to prio the add 100%
okay so we just swap on the add right away and wtv
hazy breach
like how bad is coup de gracing a non fazed target if u actually need to prio th...
Very bad, dont coup a nonfazed
rapid kite
i was also wondering why we don't do ambush>rupture>vanish+ambush>flag>evisc for the opener, doesn't deeper dagger matter for the first tech ?
rapid kite
Very bad, dont coup a nonfazed
okay so let's say u open on boss and should swap to the add but you don't have fazed on add, you coup de grace the fazed boss then go back ig ?
hazy breach
Yes
solemn lance
nightly build for sims the one to use? Not doign anythign special just checking trinkwts
fallen crescent
i was also wondering why we don't do ambush>rupture>vanish+ambush>flag>evisc for...
Ambush :0
hasty mirage
@hazy breach , what wa do you use for tracking the unfazed targets and to check the timer on s.blades and so on?
fallen crescent
Backstab first in dance is a dps gain i believe so we want to enter with 0 cp
hazy breach
Full or 0
hazy breach
Doesnt matter
hazy breach
<@212854714197344256> , what wa do you use for tracking the unfazed targets and ...
I have one that shows if i have 4 stacks of coup and no fazed on my target
hasty mirage
Do you think u can link that for me? I’m having a hard time to look around
rapid kite
i was also wondering why we don't do ambush>rupture>vanish+ambush>flag>evisc for...
bumpity
hasty mirage
And I think my dps suffers a lot
worn ivy
does deeper daggers sims higher than 1 finality?
vestal escarp
we always picking deeper daggers
quaint prawn
Hey so during dungeons and what not what cooldown timer on flag do we start pooling shadow dance. On icy veins it says we pop flag if we have a charge and the next is lower the 40 seconds. So when should I start holding SD for the next flag?
worn ivy
!fuu
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hazy breach
Hey so during dungeons and what not what cooldown timer on flag do we start pool...
Thats not what it says
It says you need to have that much cdr when you press flag
weary crag
bruh im so fucking washed
all my timing is off
not looking at
timers
on bigwigs
hazy breach
So thats roughly 20-25s before flag you stop sending
weary crag
so much shit to keep track of
zzz
every boss needs to be studied so you dont use cds before ads
and so many of the fights are aids for melee
idk what im doing wrong used to get sick logs in bfa
on sub
now we have like 3 more cds to keep track of
rip
alpine wraith
in bfa you had to plan mor
so idk
now it is kinda cool sadly dmg is undertuned a bit but hey
alpine wraith
it never was good
alpine wraith
it is what it is kinda yea
what i dont like is the dps window is so long
actually bad thing
staying 24 secs+ on target
weary crag
also very dependant on tank moving properly to ads
cos if u swap during burst phase
might as well just die
cos ur dps is gone
how do ppl get these insane logs
in this shit raid
insanely washed
stable marlin
My stix log got completely washed because we had no boomkin so I had to run to bomb shells every time my cds were up
weary crag
vexie log got fucked cos i didnt time for ad phase
stable marlin
Rip it feels awful
weary crag
cauldron cos theres too much shit going on
half comet
!sod
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weary crag
Rip it feels awful
it does but your downtime is even longer if u have to hold for 15 seconds
for burst phase
sometimes more
do people do that?
at one point also spamming rupture so u dont drop 4set stacks
right before burst
hazy breach
No you donttt
weary crag
so uve got 8 stacks
and u risk dropping before burst
10 seconds
?
for a shit evis
!guide
hazy breach
Well you dont really get many eviscerates
And the chance is only 15%
So not high
Were talking like 1 eviscerate or none
weary crag
so we get 2 dance windows outside of cds
in a perfect world
i think my issue is somewhere in the downtime
might also be fucking up the fazed debuff somehow
rapid kite
why we don't do ambush>rupture>vanish+ambush>flag>evisc for the opener, doesn't deeper dagger matter for the first tech ?
distant bison
evis gives slice and dice
hazy breach
so we get 2 dance windows outside of cds
Every other, the rest we get 1
rapid kite
and is it still worth to delay shadowblades a bit after pressing dec ?
hazy breach
why we don't do ambush>rupture>vanish+ambush>flag>evisc for the opener, doesn't ...
Because getting the flawless form stacks earlier is more important
hazy breach
and is it still worth to delay shadowblades a bit after pressing dec ?
Doesnt matter
rapid kite
okay so if I'm used to delaying and pressing a bit after tech
im not losing on any dmg ?
rapid kite
Because getting the flawless form stacks earlier is more important
why would it be better if your cd's aren't pressed yet ?
weary crag
so do you guys actually keep
rapid kite
like why the need to tech asap
hazy breach
okay so if I'm used to delaying and pressing a bit after tech
Well either within 1 second of pressing it or right before
Not like 3s after
weary crag
guide says to use it off cd
rapid kite
Well either within 1 second of pressing it or right before
yeahyeah gotchu
hazy breach
at all times
No
rapid kite
but why is it better to send cd's right away (why is flawless form that important)?
hazy breach
You use it when sectech has 10s or less left, and its not within 20s of flag
hasty mirage
I have one that shows if i have 4 stacks of coup and no fazed on my target
Do you think you can share that wa with me? It will help a lot 🙏🏼
hazy breach
later
hasty mirage
Much love
weary crag
nah i rly dont get where my mistakes are
autumn glade
if you don't get where your mistakes are, someone can help you if you post a log with the command
twilit phoenix
type !log and paste a log
hazy breach
Youre almost surely fucking up your burst windows
tropic river
Hello, i
tropic river
ive runned a sim and it's telling me that suspicious energy drink sims higher in dungeon slice then pacemaker. Is this right?
violet shuttle
Do we care about slice 'n dice in aoe?
weary crag
Who should I dm a log with?
also for a bit of nostalgia
Bfa opener
dont remember if im actually doing it right
autumn glade
you type !log, it creates a thread and you post the log in there
real panther
Sim is telling me that finality is slightly better than rotten but almost everyone pick rotten in the top parsers logs. Is it for comfort? what am I missing here?
weary crag
!log
lucid jackal
Sim is telling me that finality is slightly better than rotten but almost everyo...
One of those things just isn't known broadly speaking
it is a DPS upgrade
tidal python
Any particular reason the dungeon slice sims in the sheet use a dark brew build but this build isn't generally recommended in the wowhead guide?
real panther
One of those things just isn't known broadly speaking
oh 😮
hollow spear
Ig it sims the highest, but doesn't really make sense if you actually play?
real panther
wdym?
vale pine
Any particular reason the dungeon slice sims in the sheet use a dark brew build ...
because of the first dance
basically the first dance is rly good but isn't well simulated
tidal python
Makes sense
vale pine
so you don't get full value form it in the slice sim
if you compare talent combos with the first dance, rotten comes out ahead
if you don't play the first dance, dark brew is the way to go
sick dagger
!wa
wicked joltBOT
sterile radish
is sub pve hard to learn?
vale pine
kind of
keen dome
You've just got to learn some rules around the spec, then practice. It's not hard, but it can be complex. Practice and reading, easypeasy.
cursive vapor
is sub pve hard to learn?
basics are easy to understand but a hard to master spec imo
young mural
i miss this BS i miss s3 DF
sterile radish
press shadow blades gloom blade black powder profit ya
i meme
young mural
exactly
keen dome
Transmitter is not worth the hassle. It's mentally draining and the orb will go down the hole
free yourself from the imp telephone
vale pine
someone tell me that trans not worth the hassle over pvp trinket
its not worth it, the additional dps you get from a mythic transistor is too small
and the extra effort too high
cursive vapor
!up
wicked joltBOT
keen dome
🫡
meager canyon
!WA
wicked joltBOT
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
rough rivet
quick question cause i probably cant read - do we spam rupture to preserve tier for any reason?
hazy breach
When theres 10 seconds left of flags cd you can kinda just not use any finishers
rough rivet
When theres 10 seconds left of flags cd you can kinda just not use any finishers
yeah, thats what im doing rn thank you
rough rivet
kk thank you both 🙂
hidden geyser
When theres 10 seconds left of flags cd you can kinda just not use any finishers
you mean when theres 10 sec left TO flag?
valid solar
!fuu
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spice matrix
leaden prairie
@hazy breach
have you guys every tried simming low cp coup
if you would waste ub stacks
like outlaw
hazy breach
Ye its got the "effective cp" finisher thing
hazy breach
So if youre at 1 cp, it counts it as 1+5=6
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hazy breach
Seems to be kinda whatever to change it
opaque violet
!fuu
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real panther
!log
tidal python
I think the APL might be a little broken if you try to sim without flagellation
bleak night
its trying to make you reconsider what you're doing
thick temple
in between blades/flag windows are we getting usually 2 sod/dances before its back or like 2 sod/dances and one isolated sod with a sectec then flag/dance
hazy breach
I think the APL might be a little broken if you try to sim without flagellation
Youre right, but adding: |!talent.flagellation into most lines is gonna clutter up the apl real quick for pretty much no reason right now
Since dropping Flagellation is far from viable as its a key cooldown
tidal python
Youre right, but adding: |!talent.flagellation into most lines is gonna clutter ...
Was just curious to see how much worse it was and it's around ||20%|| worse after tweaking the APL a little bit
wet lava
am i running the sims wrong or does house of cards barely sim higher then the on use pvp trink
tidal python
The PVP trinket is good
wet lava
yeah but didnt think it was that good lool
hazy breach
The more accurate description would be that all trinkets are bad enough to compete with the pvp trinket
But yes its fine, main drawback is that its capped at champion track
bleak night
rl asking me why im simming with a pvp trinket
rustic geyser
it's fine, just use one of the gazillion terrible damage proc trinkets from delves - Who needs good trinket choices
bleak night
thinking im sandbagging
short radish
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tNDYYHy7kokiiVnpgsvmpf
pvp trinket still 0.9% behind mythic transmitter for me 😦
bleak night
easiest choice of my life
rustic geyser
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tNDYYHy7kokiiVnpgsvmpf
pvp trinket still...
don't listen, the lack of minigame wins
rustic geyser
the freedom of an instant use is big
short radish
eh
hazy breach
Ye and thats after transmitter got nerfed, because transmitter was a decent trinket
rustic geyser
especially on the current bosses
bleak night
people play races they like and take more of a loss than that
twilit phoenix
Yo fim how do you pronounce your name king
bleak night
fimbulvtr
short radish
Yo fim how do you pronounce your name king
ask @teal coral
bleak night
like that
short radish
alternatively it's fimbulvinter
but fire emblem spelt it like this so i'm fimbulvtr
rustic geyser
like gow
bleak night
jokes aside i assumed it was based on that
short radish
based fire emblem enjoyer.
bleak night
whats the lore behind the bowl of grass though
rustic geyser
fire emblem used to be good till it went all... "it's ok she's actually 1000 years old" style
short radish
as an online name
bleak night
oh based
short radish
but i decided to consolidate my names
kept the old pfp though
whats easiest way to farm conquest?
fly around pick up war caches?
bleak night
Crate farming op
short radish
i was barely coping with sprocket
with the positional requirement
but on OAB
im fucking up the coin bait at the start
because im standing off on the side
teal coral
ask <@167090536602140682>
short radish
teal coral
this time I'm fucking stone cold sober
short radish
honestly getting better at sounding it every time
teal coral
still can't do it
rustic geyser
y'know, the last one isn't that bad
short radish
where's the absolutely cursed drunk one
rustic geyser
fiiiimbul-v...ter
teal coral
and he said pronounce my name
and I couldn't
and now I'm sober
and I still can't
absolutely cooked
swift plover
Anyone got a Mega Magnet WA that helps me use it more effectively? Or should I just slam it every 20 seconds?
short radish
I've heard people refer to YOU as "whis-pyre"
whis-pie
bleak night
Whippet
hazy breach
Anyone got a Mega Magnet WA that helps me use it more effectively? Or should I j...
Dont slam it less than 20s before you want to use your other trinket (ie 20s before blades) and youre fine
rustic geyser
wHIs-pi-ree
wicked joltBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
is this hte only way?
hazy breach
Theres other ways, but i dont see why you wouldnt just use this
hazy breach
Targets tank 1
But you can go into custom options and hardcode a different name if you want
final holly
Does it actually matter which tank gets tricks? I put it on the one pulling but I feel like the threat it generates is pretty insignificant and it's mostly useful for making sure that I personally don't die to agro
hazy breach
In 99% of cases your tricks in raid is completely irrelevant either way
final holly
I will put it on someone I don't like and early pull instead. Much more impactful that way
short radish
Based
bleak night
me just using mouseover on party frames
paper iron
i m using a macro that put the name of my target in another macro that actually use trick
most comfy way to do
pug friendly
(until i realise that i pre tricked the healer cuz idk i zoned out)
agile igloo
!sheet
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slender idol
What ilvl does the sim assume you have in the sheet?
slender idol
Thank you 🙂
twilit phoenix
hard disagree
covert storm
!bs
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
stray rivet
Hi all, got a question. If my target have rupture still on around 20 sec. I have shadow blade and flag. Do i still reapply rupture after flag or jus send a evis?
warm depot
probably not rupture
if you have dance/sod up you dont wanna rupture
and assuming ur stuff is lining up right
you have flag sb running at the same time as ur cds are on
i think so at least
stray rivet
So jus flag into evis?
tepid trellis
Hi all, got a question. If my target have rupture still on around 20 sec. I have...
20+ just evis, anything below it, just rupture
stray rivet
20+ just evis, anything below it, just rupture
Ok thanks!!
tepid trellis
its just about rupture not falling off during burst
warm depot
true
stray rivet
Yall know roughly hw much dps % gain for having 4 set?
warm depot
i think its ~10-11%
tepid trellis
Yall know roughly hw much dps % gain for having 4 set?
0set to 4set is around 13% or so
and about 5% from old 4set to new 4set
stray rivet
Damn..
tepid trellis
(not accounting ilvl increases)
tribal blade
@tepid trellis are you guys progging bandit
tepid trellis
mug'zee
lucid jackal
There is 0 reason to play sub on mugzee
wispy bolt
when will we ever get a real AOE ability :sigh:
lucid jackal
The only reason is you really like sub rogue
its worse in every way
Or at least, sin is so good at one thing at the only point of the fight that matters
tribal blade
yeah sin is looking very juicy on mugzee
short radish
short radish
Or at least, sin is so good at one thing at the only point of the fight that mat...
what's that?
lucid jackal
Only p2 matters
U get 2 cds
U get a execute DM in lust
boss is a hard race thru enrage
spatter also goes thru cages
short radish
boss is a hard race thru enrage
surely with extra 3% damage by the time we get up to there i can still play sub
dense sorrel
hello new here quick question for the purpose of interrupting a cast is it ever worth spending combo points on kidney shot?
in terms of like mythic plus /raid content
short radish
hello new here quick question for the purpose of interrupting a cast is it ever ...
Depends on the cast but yes
M+ yes
Raid I'd rather wipe than use cp on something not damage related
dense sorrel
ok ty so much for the quick response you rogues get stuff done
dense sorrel
that counts as an interrupt?
dense sorrel
damn you guys get all the kit lol
short radish
Base kidney is also really long so you don't need to get max cp to send it
Cheapshot is also available in dance but that's a last resort
green scarab
!sod
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Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
floral stone
so i got signet on my rogue so should my usage of the trinket be every other set of shadow blades and flagellation?
since it doesnt really sync up properly
short radish
so i got signet on my rogue so should my usage of the trinket be every other set...
should try get a pvp badge instead
better than signet
both at 658
worn ivy
Does it take tooo long to farm this ?
young mural
Does it take tooo long to farm this ?
yhea, unreasonably long
next patch we'll have 100% increase in the rep gain
so it'll cut the farm time in half
floral stone
should try get a pvp badge instead
How aids is it to get pvp trinket? I am not rly a pvper
short radish
from what im told not hard
you can just loot war caches for conquest
or get it fromt he weekly RandomBG stuff
floral stone
Alr cheers, will look into it when i come home
short radish
👍
losing an on use every other flag/blades go is kinda rough
especially if fight timing line up
because
0:00 - trinket
1:30 - no trinket
3:00 - trinket
4:30 - no trinket
and most fights are under 5minutes
floral stone
Ye, as rogue is my alt its kinda hard to get house of cards
short radish
dw rogue is my main and its just as hard to get house of cards 
floral stone
Only ever dropped once in our reclears in normal, fking bs
tight monolith
getting the pvp trinket is not too bad
getting the trinket + neck + wrist with socket was a slag even doe the wrist was rather minmax
brisk onyx
Or just go funhouse lens
tight monolith
or farm the pvp trinket and then some days later get hc house of cards loot counciled to you
hollow spear
dw rogue is my main and its just as hard to get house of cards <:kek:89068211309...
Just loot it from the weekly dungeon quest :^)
timid pulsar
!fuu
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civic oyster
I'm going to start gearing my second spec for raid does outlaw cover sub's weaker fights? I'm in a midcore guild currently on stix
I'd rather not do sin again because I find it kinda boring
vale pine
or farm the pvp trinket and then some days later get hc house of cards loot coun...
still not bad
short radish
Just loot it from the weekly dungeon quest :^)
i got the shitty haste trinket from sprocket
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
tight monolith
still not bad
def cant complain no🤩
void ocean
Guys, regarding barrels on mythic Rik, do we hard swap or cleave of the boss?
alpine wraith
i got the shitty neck
willow bobcat
Guys, regarding barrels on mythic Rik, do we hard swap or cleave of the boss?
Do you want to be ethical or not?
quaint lodge
I'd rather not do sin again because I find it kinda boring
Do what you enjoy
void ocean
Do you want to be ethical or not?
I want to be the most effective 🤣
quaint lodge
I want to be the most effective 🤣
Then do which one your raid needs
If theyre not struggling w adds, hit boss
If they are, go hit adds
void ocean
On that note, do we have any sort of graphical representation of how sec tech hits around us
willow bobcat
!wa
wicked joltBOT
willow bobcat
Get the targets in range tracker
void ocean
I have the one that counts targets, if thats what you mean
willow bobcat
Then you are golden