subtlety

[paper iron]

[shrewd lantern]

If you really care that much about being the best spec every patch learn every class

[lucid jackal]

if you vanish when they are picking a target itll go thru ur vanish

u have to be targeted to redirect

every tier every expac has been "unbalanced

[shrewd lantern]

You cant vanish being chosen for ball on stix

can you

[paper iron]

i did a thing tho @tepid trellis are you proud of me master?

😳

[shrewd shadow]

No but you can insta roll into him

[shrewd lantern]

[tidal python]

@vale pine not sure if intentional but the sheet is linking to an old KiR sim from 4 days ago (there's a DPS mismatch between it and what's listed in the sheet itself)

[vale pine]

ill check later after raid

possible that i did a copy/paste mistake

[steel zinc]

Dont we get a spark this week got the catup from last week but not a spark part from the weekly 5 dungeons. Anyone else got the issue?

[tepid trellis]

it aint that weekly

[alpine wraith]

the spark comes from the world soul quest

[steel zinc]

ohhh ok ty ❤️

[steel zinc]

ty

[delicate wind]

Also it was kind of buggy and wasn’t giving the spark to some people. I had to do an lfr and a boss dropped it

Also check your bags bc chat log wasn’t showing it either when looted

[grave delta]

how do u ask for a log review again

[young mural]

do a !log !

[grave delta]

!log !https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WT4QjzdANFvxa6wr?fight=43&type=casts&view=timeline&source=66 i do negative dmg on this boss help 😭

[young mural]

brah

its "!logs"

my bad

[grave delta]

oh

wait no it made a thread

[lucid atlas]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[drifting notch]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

guys do you play around tier set at all or nah

i think when i do it hurt my dps overall but idk

[swift tinsel]

Nope

unless its at the end of a pull in m+

and I'm gonna send on the next pack

or on Vexie right before a maintenance phase

[paper iron]

This tier set is more "hey i ve stacks it s w/e" and then "hey i lost stacks it sucks". You kinda never happy it s not a big deal

[swift tinsel]

yeah I don't track it at all bc I do the same thing with 1 stack that I do with 8

I think I have it tied to my Bonk WA that triggers when I have 8 stacks and an Azerokk proc in blades lol

but that's just for fun

[clever delta]

oh yeah that hd icons are diff

[clever delta]

yeah it really fuck me up, maybe i should not track it for my sanity

[swift tinsel]

I use the Clean Mechagon edition icons and they're pretty nice

some look slightly more cartoony but its w/e

[clever delta]

yeah

[wicked urchin]

I haven't tracked it and I don't plan on it at any point

Unless somehow something changes and it becomes super important

[clever delta]

this fucking bother me

can they send one more nerf pls

[paper iron]

nice S1 trinket

[clever delta]

i cba collecting circle again

[paper iron]

remind me when we were about to keep boon for keys the whole DF S2

[wicked urchin]

this fills me with rage

[clever delta]

boon was atleast like fun fun

[wicked urchin]

how often do they do discounts on race changes?

im ready to give up on my blood elf ways and hop on the orc train

but i ain't justifying $32 canabucks

[leaden prairie]

no

[wicked urchin]

im proud of you im almost as good as stealthi (true and real)

[paper iron]

u jelly

not much padd also

barrels were again fucky but the first pop

[wicked urchin]

it's r3 now

question

is there a difference between casting blades with sec tech vs. right after?

[paper iron]

not really

it s 0.00001% diff

[leaden prairie]

nice pad noob

[wicked urchin]

okay cool

[paper iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072566287638728786/1354567013586178341/image.png?ex=67e5c256&is=67e470d6&hm=90b8207e188597c92fe09b352fe2fa617cac74e4467064dfdbc6df962cd13b7b&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072566287638728786/1354567013921456320/image.png?ex=67e5c256&is=67e470d6&hm=c3f82bb05e4c549e99c4cdc82efe77b895fd964d7841c7fa284a1046373700a9&

[wicked urchin]

i was just wondering how cursed my blades + sectech macro is

[paper iron]

@leaden prairie for sure lot of pad

look at them sp holding cds for them

[shrewd shadow]

how do you sim racial talents if you aren't that race? or can you

[wicked urchin]

advanced sim

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wicked urchin]

racial sims at the bottom

[random hare]

gear check?

@tepid trellis

@leaden prairie

[alpine wraith]

666 zone entered

[random hare]

EZ

[fickle mason]

Is it arguably better to finish on the boss or on the pyrotechnics themselves, most bigger parses cleave off of the boss and do big ST

[tepid trellis]

i dont raid wednesdays

so

im the same as last week

[random hare]

excuses

[alpine wraith]

where is your cloak from the 4 m+

i got a shitty neck

[random hare]

what does from the 4 m+ mean

[leaden prairie]

wiat i still havent spent

[random hare]

me too

(i did)

[alpine wraith]

you get an hc item by doing 4 m+ or m0 dungeons

[random hare]

ah

[alpine wraith]

and get a shit item likely like me

[random hare]

'i got this

[sly shore]

wth

[alpine wraith]

outlaw enjoyer

[leaden prairie]

you crafted noob

and i havent done splits yet

[random hare]

me too

[leaden prairie]

not sending till splits

sunday

[random hare]

what splits

[leaden prairie]

ok ok

hm

[random hare]

u guys do hc splits

[alpine wraith]

mythic splits big

[random hare]

?

[leaden prairie]

idk i could get hc hoc

[random hare]

ah

[leaden prairie]

maybe

[random hare]

i see i see

[leaden prairie]

we will do last bosses i think ye

[random hare]

we dont do hc splits anymore

[leaden prairie]

we do last 2 or 3

[random hare]

zac

[leaden prairie]

for trinkets

[random hare]

tomorrow last day work for me

[leaden prairie]

what

[random hare]

im excited as hell cuh

sheeeesh

[leaden prairie]

i tought that was like

5 months ago

[random hare]

????????????????

no

[alpine wraith]

last 3 hc is very big always

[random hare]

that was

like

im still there

but

i go there eveyrday

at 5 am

now im done done

5 months ago i could go home everyday np

[plush roost]

My guild was hella loot blessed and we pretty much need HoC on a couple people then its just quick gally splits

Last night we had 4 HoC drop over 2 groups kekw

[alpine wraith]

damn huge

my guild does nothing

just last 3 hc maybe on sunday

i did normal with pugs and of course

my luck is cursed for rolls

[tepid trellis]

splits

[plush roost]

Lookin good

[quick latch]

hey im used to play dance with symbols macro , sometimes i waste like 3 seconds of active symbols time just for more comfort , should i avoid it and is it realy that big of a dps loss?

[quaint lodge]

Yes, avoid it

Large dps loss

Our burst windows are incredibly concentrated, so perfect play becomes incredibly important in those windows

[quick latch]

yeh i guess i gotta get used to without macro

[odd sandal]

guys what do you press in this situation (Single Target)? is going into SD+ SoD -> Sec tech and then use proc correct or you do it the other way arround?

[quick latch]

sectec always more prio i think

[unique nest]

Hey, is Kezan still the best passive trinket for sub, like the guide says ?

[odd sandal]

not sure if not using builder first for danse stack is bad:(

[wicked urchin]

I have a macro that works with no downside or at least works significantly better

[hazy breach]

On long fights yep

[hollow spear]

I wouldn't sue my builders

lawyers are costly

[wicked urchin]

You still need SoD separate though

[dense lichen]

What’s 2nd place? pacemaker?

[hazy breach]

Depends on how long the fight is

[quick latch]

u mind sharing?

[hazy breach]

If the fight is short goonsquad is good

[hollow spear]

because of heroism?

[wicked urchin]

/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=10 Symbols of Death, null

Only casts symbols on first cast and not second

[hazy breach]

Yes the trinket gets better with BL

[hollow spear]

probably scales best with gear

kind of the anti kezan

[wicked urchin]

Probably a few cases where it's still not ideal but I use it because I run into issues sometimes with tendinitis

[hollow spear]

with this macro I am unsure how you manage to get back to back dances without ruining your supercharged 2nd sectec

[wicked urchin]

How so?

[hollow spear]

A lot of times you cast something like 2+ eviscerates after your 2nd dance in flag

before you get off your 2nd sectec

So if you macro symbols to your dance, you would then supercharge these eviscerates and have no stacks left for sectec

Which is really bad, because that 2nd sectec is a huge portion of your burst window

[lyric patrol]

U can macro them but also keep them seperate for those situations...thats what i do

[wicked urchin]

Ignore the no backstabs here but the castsequence reset covers until the second dance

It'll never cast symbols twice

[chrome quiver]

with the buffs to the trinkets are there some of them that are decent untill you get HoC and pacemaker?

[molten citrus]

PvP badge is decent if you don’t have mythic transmitter

[clever delta]

its like 0,9% thats kinda a lot

fucking hate it

[wicked urchin]

shoulda tagged you in my first response but peep the screenshot

looking at it it seems fine but i'd happily change it if i'm missing something

[delicate wind]

What’s the disadvantage of not using dance immediately after the first dance ends and using bs evis twice then going back in as sectec is up?

[wicked urchin]

probably the +30% damage from dance

[delicate wind]

For the record mine aren’t bound together. Just want to understand

[hollow spear]

You want to stack your damage multipliers with each other

[delicate wind]

Got it so basically you just end up with symbols window going on after both dances end and blades

[hollow spear]

So two seconds of dance inside of blades are much more valuable than outside

[delicate wind]

Thanks. Helpful context

After the two dance burst window you want to refresh rupture before entering the third dance/symbols as sectec comes back up again? Generally that’s how I feel like the timing works out.

[hollow spear]

During your opener you sometimes get away with not doing that if you used symbols pre pull

[delicate wind]

Then one more whenever it makes sense and hold again for blades window.

2in 2out 2in 1out is what I remember the guide saying

[hollow spear]

Yes

[delicate wind]

I wasn’t doing that perfect so that can prob help increase my burst window a little bit. Thanks

[hollow spear]

I'm still wondering if there's some approach to avoid dropping your 8 stacks before going into your dance after opener or if that's pissing away damage

[wicked urchin]

Does the opener I posted look fine aside from not backstabbing?

[hollow spear]

Looks alright to me

[delicate wind]

Only thing I’d question is why not cold blood the first sectec?

Not saying it’s wrong just curious why hold the cd there

[hollow spear]

You'll probably still run into situations where a macro is subpar

[autumn glade]

second one is juiced with flagellation mastery and still have blades rolling

[wicked urchin]

You cold blood second sectec now

[delicate wind]

Always changing arg lol

[clever delta]

Damn zeross 666 meanwhile I'm 662

What did I do wrong

[paper iron]

u havent spend all your oil prince monni

[wicked urchin]

it's given me issues where i've messed up and used an extra charge of symbols when i shouldnt have and ended up capping my dance charges but i can fix that with better play

feels like an okay compromise for now

[clever delta]

I'm waiting for this week roster to know if I can send vault or not

[wicked urchin]

meanwhile i'm out here crying because i had to take a socket this week

[forest moss]

is cauldron of carnage not logging properly for us?

[clever delta]

I'm waiting for assa if it overtake or not as I have priory trinket second week in row

[left ledge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wicked urchin]

if you're too far from the person logging it can exclude your sectech damage

that's what someone here was saying

[forest moss]

ohh

[wicked urchin]

can fix it by logging yourself

[hollow spear]

With the limited data we have, the latest logs seem to favour sin

But there's still the fights where sub is inherently better

Like Rik or OAB

Probably Gally

[wicked urchin]

I'm just committing at this point

I won't be sent back to ass prison

[forest moss]

it worked

thanks!

[hollow spear]

I might play sin on Mugzee

Depending on timers

[hazy breach]

Idk after nerfs

We'll see,

[hollow spear]

But I'm far away from that, so balance might change until then

[hazy breach]

Sub is atleast very helpful on bandit

[wicked urchin]

My guild is cringe and we don't do loot council so I'm only allowed sub loot

[hazy breach]

Because somebody needs to nuke the adds at 1:50

[wicked urchin]

get me out of this hell

[hazy breach]

And thats either monks or sub (or unholy to some extent, but not as good as the others)

[hollow spear]

Yeah, sub cooks there

[west tide]

do we gotta hold a lil for those adds

[hollow spear]

Subs mini burst also helps on the other adds

[hazy breach]

Bandit is 99.9999999% how much damage you can do to adds

[hollow spear]

Logs on sprocket are pro sin rn

Kinda funny, considering it still sims lower

Do we have to hold, which makes performance worse?

[dry plank]

vexie trinket is not bad to play with 2 on use?

[young mural]

yhea GGs its a reroll angle

RIP sub

[left ledge]

You’re looking at mythic logs

Of which there isn’t even logs for half the raid

[young mural]

yhea im a mythic guy

[west tide]

sure

[thorny rivet]

Mythic guy over here

[west tide]

real ones know its a sub tier still…

[left ledge]

Always has been

Always will be

[young mural]

we've got it even worse in hero logs

[west tide]

[young mural]

reroll angle theres no other way to put it

[thorny rivet]

Ok by David

[full wyvern]

Yeah was about to say, I parsed a 97 on sproket and a MM hunter parsed 97 with 800k dps higher

[young mural]

cooked

[left ledge]

One day range omega fucking lul

[mint swift]

Ah yes 1 day mythic logs

The most reliable, respectable source

[young mural]

insane cope going on in sub channel

we're done and we need to accept it

[left ledge]

Sort by 2 weeks

And post

[full wyvern]

Doesnt account for the class changes, thats why its 1 day

[young mural]

finally a thinker

[full wyvern]

Also people who are farming the raid know their class and cleared yesterday

[thorny rivet]

I just play the game. Sub is fun, sin is boring, go next

[quick latch]

hi my mate is asking if he should use 2 passive trinkets when its simms the highest with? he has 3 on use trinkets but the highest dps is with the 2 passives

[left ledge]

I didn’t clear heroic yday

[mint swift]

Also does sub run gloom atm

Your name made me think abt that

[queen magnet]

icy veins or wowhead for guide?

[left ledge]

No we don’t

[sterile kiln]

both

[tidal python]

Gloomblade isn't that much worse though

[keen dome]

purple backstab....

[tidal python]

Difference between it and replicating shadows is like 0.2% on my character

[mint swift]

No gloom D:

Sadge

Sub is unplayable

[keen dome]

It is sad

I wish we had purple backstab as baseline

[left ledge]

Well they made gloom viable once

[keen dome]

It would fix everything wrong with sub: not enough purple

[left ledge]

But they fucked up

And made it our entire damage

[mint swift]

True

[mint swift]

That was

Rotten,

[steel zinc]

your hard griefing thinking sub is bad ngl

[mint swift]

Right

[left ledge]

No

[mint swift]

Or am I being the stupid hunter

Ah ok

[left ledge]

It was gloom and lingering

[clever delta]

Subtlety is so dead

[keen dome]

Sub is absolutely fine

[left ledge]

Sub is so dead let’s reroll to Aug

[steel zinc]

kekw

[left ledge]

If we made every sub rogue reroll to Aug

[steel zinc]

if we didnt get the 5% sectech nerf and 2 more stacks back on our tier we would be really fine spot

[left ledge]

Nothing would happen

[steel zinc]

not even topping just really fine

[left ledge]

Yeah the nerfs were weird

[mint swift]

Jesus Christ Fotm people are hopeless

[left ledge]

Absolutely unnecessary but oh well

[keen dome]

Sub could do 1 damage and I would still play it

[steel zinc]

idk assa rogue in raid is so easy now ngl bm hunter is more complex

[mint swift]

“Sub is dead”
My brother in Christ

[steel zinc]

like legit assa has 5 buttons in st

[mint swift]

No shot haha

[steel zinc]

so sub is the more og spec now

[mint swift]

If they were both ranged

Would be debatable

[steel zinc]

bro assa is braindead

[tidal python]

Assa probably presses more buttons than sub in ST no

[mint swift]

I know

[keen dome]

the important thing to note is that ret is more dead than sub apperently

[steel zinc]

LOL

[keen dome]

so sub is actually winning

[steel zinc]

nice bait

[full wyvern]

You dont even FoK in single target for sin now

[mint swift]

I played both assassinations and BM this tier

And I’m not saying Assa is hard

It really isn’t

Just that BM is easier

[steel zinc]

i cant that bm hunter is even after the rework easier

[tidal python]

Sub hasn't really been hard either since shadowdust was removed

[steel zinc]

good cook

[mint swift]

Ok tbf

[steel zinc]

go lockenstock with pullback and try to do your cds. Better to move them^^

[mint swift]

Packleader made M+ BM actually require a tiny drop of brainpower

[hazy breach]

I wouldnt say sub is easy, but its definitely way easier than people think

People tend to overthink a bunch of stuff

[mint swift]

Because you have to play around it completely to do good dps

[keen dome]

Sub has complexities but I don't think it's hard. You just have to learn the rules, learn the cooldowns, win prizes.

[vestal escarp]

I think i miss transmitter

[keen dome]

i'm glad transmitter is dead

[plush roost]

Hardest part of sub is not neuron activating and presssing dance symbols 15 seconds before your cds

[mint swift]

Me when I see the hog buff

[mighty citrus]

thats actually true

[mint swift]

Cobra shot cries out

[mighty citrus]

like resist

pressing dance 😄

[keen dome]

100%

[plush roost]

"what if i hit shadow techniques every auto and refund the cdr in time??"

[clever delta]

I'm actually fighting cdr so badly this season

Wasn't case s1

[meager coyote]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint swift]

Does sub still use rupture btw

Imma keep asking this

[plush roost]

Yes ofc

[mint swift]

Fucks sake

[keen dome]

Yeah

[versed swift]

You guys think seaforium or hotline for mythic rik tonight?

[mint swift]

Just remove it already

[keen dome]

Our rupture gameplay is we rupture and then keep rupture up

[mint swift]

Like y does a burst spec have a DoT

Feels so wrong that’s it’s right

[plush roost]

Sim it but its likely evens out

[shrewd lantern]

it made more sense when we had sanguinary vein

[mint swift]

Like, that’s the same as if they gave assasination huge burst

It just doesn’t fit with the

Class-

Wait

[plush roost]

I appreciate rupture on sub, nothing goes crazy like 6-7 ruptures out on a pack and you enter your cds

[sly shore]

over a singular day

ur dumb as hell no cap

[plush roost]

600k ticks go hard

[mint swift]

Yea but like

What if you used that time to idk

[shrewd lantern]

i miss shadow rupture ticks

[mint swift]

Dust

Or powder rather

[versed swift]

hotline wins ST but Sea is better aoe no? lots of cleave on the fight has me jumping circles
probably right about it evening out

[shrewd lantern]

esp snapshotted with ashes

[mint swift]

Actually fuck it I’m curious again and can’t be arsed to look on icy veins

Trick or DS

[plush roost]

Depends how fast barrels are dying and if the crit chance is active during barrels

[keen dome]

tricky 4 life

[plush roost]

DS is dead this patch

Like 5% behind

[mint swift]

Oh rest in piss

Won’t be fucking missed

Also I love how you consider ‘dead’ as 5%

Fucking dark ranger for BM is like

30% behind at minimum

For M+

[plush roost]

Well thats ST im referring to but yeah 5% in raid is massive for something that is annoying to play around

[mint swift]

Ah fair

Dr is also prolly fucking 30% behind in raid tbf

It’s so shut hahaha

*shit

Fuck it imma get it up and sim it

Also PL is p good

[versed swift]

fair, napkin math from LR has it only lining up on the back half of the bomb sets but completely depends when the first activation of it goes off. Not super familiar with it

[mint swift]

The aoe from the bear is like 10% overall in M+

And that’s not even considering it’s melee or cleave

[versed swift]

guess its a play both on different pulls and just see what feels better

long as it dies who cares really

[mint swift]

And of fucking course it’s melee snapshots

Also charrend

[shrewd lantern]

idk

i just play spearman

[mint swift]

Please make a shitty photoshop of your pfp to turn him into a ninja

[shrewd lantern]

[mint swift]

It would be so funny

[mint swift]

Ugliest survival hunter main

Tbh if you main surv your cocks prolly huge

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah thats why almost no one does

[mint swift]

Hahaha

[shrewd lantern]

i wish

i like rogue too much tbh

[mint swift]

I just play BM cause:
ranged
easy to do Mechanics which helps for casual guild
Love the class fantasy
Easy to play

[mint swift]

Sorta same

This is the first patch I’m not on rogue

As a main

And genuinely might be my best performance I’ve had output wise

[plush roost]

I actually do have shitty photoshops of things, forgot to put on my leprechaun hat for st patty

[sly shore]

what a breakdown

[shrewd lantern]

only time i spec bm on hunter is if im doing last minute world content

while eating cereal

[shrewd lantern]

bp and nimble conflict

i still dont see why these two are on the same spec

[mint swift]

Loll

[sly shore]

and yet I press the button

[mint swift]

I’d change my pfp to something silly but I love how my friend drew my char

[shrewd lantern]

why give the spec with an aoe spender

flurry

[plush roost]

Eh i think flurry being good at 5+ was fine, 7+ kinds creeps towards bps territory yknow?

Like having a good cleave was kinda cool

[tidal python]

Yeah it makes sense, let the spec cleave on its own when the number of targets is low enough, otherwise use the "real" AoE abilities

[sly shore]

dis trinket good

[plush roost]

Quite

[shrewd lantern]

Doesnt sussy energy drink also have almost 50% uptime

[sly shore]

sussy energy drink no myth track

[cursive vapor]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[mint swift]

@plush roost

Ok so

It isn't quite 30%

But it's still a lot

Ill sim ST rq

[sonic rain]

is sub bad in big 10+ target pulls or am i the bad one

feel like whenever i have to do the black powder rotation i'm sub tank dps

[glacial hinge]

what build are u running?

[sly shore]

st build

[glacial hinge]

kekw

[sly shore]

aka I forgot to change one talent

[mint swift]

OH MY GOD IT'S 30% BEHIND ON ST

[glacial hinge]

using this for m+ vs the glow ST or nah

[sly shore]

you drop shadow focus for imp sstorm

[hazy breach]

I dont think its really ever worth playing shadow focus

[sly shore]

only in pure pure ST

[hazy breach]

Talent literally does nothing

ye and barely even there

[sly shore]

yep

[hazy breach]

Like on sprocket youre infront of the boss sometimes

[sly shore]

I just run exhil execution

[hazy breach]

So you storm anyway

So theres no boss in raid where i would recommend the +0.1% from shadow focus

[glacial hinge]

the sims nado build is worth? XD

hate to play nado 😐

[sly shore]

never

[fathom sequoia]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[ember gate]

Oi, squad, two things;

-Is it worth macroing stuff like Symbols and Dance?
-Do you ever send symbols without Dance?

[sly shore]

no

yes

[ember gate]

and the tl;dr reasoning?

[marble ledge]

Does anyone else like using CB on Coup de Grace for ST or is that strictly worse than Sectech in all scenarios

[sly shore]

you don't always symbols and dance together

[ember gate]

obviously symbols is big dam so, yeah use? but like

[sly shore]

you delay symbols

[hazy breach]

In your burst sequence you dont want to use them at the same time

[shrewd shadow]

thought i was doin better on the dummies but this proves other wise

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C93JyWBjmfGkMvQ7?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11&view=timeline

[sly shore]

and there are times where you don't have enough cdr to use dance

so you sod with sectech

[hazy breach]

Because then you would either A. Not supercharge secret or B. Have to delay dance

[ember gate]

yeah, I was looking at that in my sims, It doesnt cast symbols after Dance, it Dance > Backstab > symbols > SecTec

[sly shore]

sure

check the 2nd dance in cd's too

[hazy breach]

Thats not really common, pretty much all the time besides your second dance in Cds you use symbols+dance at the same time if youre gonna use them

But like, the burst Cds are really important

[wicked urchin]

holy fuck we just did the third boss in floodgate after forgetting to press the button

[young mural]

sub is dead?

[viscid rune]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[ember gate]

the sim overviews are always weird because of like the "saved/stored" cp

[paper iron]

sub is totally dead gg

unplayable

aug is better

[sullen hare]

Literally in the dirt

[young mural]

agreed censi

insanely bad

not worth playing

[sullen hare]

More people playing this spec has brought the average performance down which means easier parses though

So that's always something to look forward to

No free pink parses like ret though

[young mural]

sub is bad

[vagrant sinew]

keep it up

[hazy breach]

I mean ye sub is on the mid/lower end of those charts, but its not unreasonably unbalanced

Like the difference between the top and mid is not that big

[young mural]

dude went after discord rules

insane work

[lucid jackal]

Sub is still the best spec on every fight, other than mugzee

where sin is just the best spec

by like 20%

[vagrant sinew]

is there a public parse yet

[paper iron]

We re just dooming Guy as always

[vagrant sinew]

has NS killed

[paper iron]

or at least i am

[vagrant sinew]

oh they have

[fringe dust]

damn rip time to reroll ele shammy

[void raven]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[vagrant sinew]

well youre just being an annoying dummy for no reason other than your ignorance

and eventually youre gonna get a mute for it, but since its your first offence it will be a short one

[young mural]

my bad ryler

so sorry for annoying you with a warcraftlogs.com screenshot and a clear joke

[hazy breach]

[young mural]

my bad

truly sorry ryler

but what spec should we reroll to?

[sly shore]

david idiotdust more like am I right

[young mural]

🤣 😂

[vagrant sinew]

windwalker, youre welcome

[young mural]

DONME

ty

[strange chasm]

wait why is sin so cracked on mugzee

[shrewd lantern]

If you want free pinks play tank

not even kidding

idk wtf goes on in tank player brains

[sly shore]

all that matters is p2 and u get 2x cd's

[vagrant sinew]

p2 is the whole fight, perfect phase duration, buffs go even harder in execute

[sly shore]

one in lust

[strange chasm]

Ah

[shrewd lantern]

i check tank logs sometimes and theres just

[strange chasm]

Yeah NS posted there logs

[shrewd lantern]

multiple empty globals

[strange chasm]

Sin is doing almost all of the damage in P2

[sly shore]

you should see warrior

that get's PI

[vague laurel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[sly shore]

does the same damage to boss

look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power

[shrewd lantern]

wait

who tf is giving a warrior PI

[sly shore]

PI in execute with cd's is nuts

why wouldn't you

[shrewd lantern]

oh arms execute

[sly shore]

both got PI

[shrewd lantern]

does ww not benefit more from PI

[sly shore]

not even close in execute

[shrewd lantern]

zoldyck blindside kinda goodge

[granite jackal]

Does anyone have a weakaura that reminds you to pre-sod in raid? I don't see anything on wago

[sly shore]

just press it when u ress

[granite jackal]

Yeah but I'm too stupid to remember to do that

[sly shore]

no cure for that I'm afraid

[granite jackal]

[sly shore]

it's definitely possible

[vagrant sinew]

I think you can make one that yells at you when pull timer starts

[granite jackal]

I thought this was a safe place

[sly shore]

let me make one

[vagrant sinew]

but ig thats too late

[shrewd lantern]

Do you lose an sod if you cast it when a 10s pull timer goes out

[drifting fable]

yo anyone here using geargrinders

[shrewd lantern]

psure you do

[sly shore]

🚲

[drifting fable]

this trinket

is either insanely bugged

or it just sucks

[shrewd lantern]

My guess is the second

[sly shore]

!WA:2!1rvZUTTrqyPQdfqPOvrXWiijfrnbWhsd8F12fTxAmLPAuR1pHIoo9e1sUlf3yYD3U7szRCQqiaTNkq0JGU0lf9GEe6HEMqOOpa(Cp5NGmlLQHdAmVWzND2D(MV5BNInQMufxf)lpwYt1Xugr25i3dB222)u0aEZdMK8TUFj7eN6TMJs1rCzhHMYzQYZvrim)0FOtyOIOVxHziwaSDxoLP9RB3212rudtvIy0ixYzAVqUmbP9eEAAcz5QIIkbPknpXeXrcmstCidjm92PYyXDJ0AH6R3ydduwNY34sSSXwsuqoo2ZrPrsDz)qkJQIkBb)0LhRL0bdis1hVMCP5)yPhjiz3ysQI4fWtz6O5gZ80z2Q)yCQezU0hS9Mz3quXMLhgrwZ2eJAYLHo3UD9ohzkrp72hCUk1pFREPHH0ZM5vF)EUE9C33XDSsqIJBIvLZtlMaKrKddLquLV8yDLe4yWD(8MoDA3cOU9p0kfkdFd3rKtXeF4MDHelFQ9HDBC0HtaCTOSklUPHjgsCxSUfht(9cIhC9mFch7b1jPVyTRpOyYauWiVWyoxgn(uUeFSejgF8sdRqotlQ0qsFvTNLIWW9HQ56khcuoqGLMc1MdzGPbDNvZwzoS0hfCYaqKXWwXCe(VopigPuEig2diPGv9vu2GyIBL5ug0szbepdvVw2xCFNK0ynTXN2)Z6F)(pSVOAEl8DoEFXnnoFNJgjULXhJR9OAsc5htPccosujVvibnftsXqwJUi)SxjMzxzXDUDPFg5RrXqRA1SDlBLdxWWjhclCrFfXym2Wl9GfVz5ZJxS45rjXDFVC9cdhdLJNkZjmtB2sdrDb1O9yO4NVGu)TPbCgMMR6VZAobrKGt2l7wpUW4Hijf5ht2E)2h4N7x9iyNsznTur8tDgIItjLap3RqwZXuqwN4J0zTkkdIqSbe1JwlR1KUo296vRxNdglKCqQPhn7kygI4nzpl7jNdtb4aMPbhtX6iR9HLYrlQYN(K4FDNFQqHx)ER2GLgwmoJiE41R9essanxg5dvCiDqz5zltW38V8cMpFfjb0AoBT(MRVP8LWieA4iRdTB4ovZdwQcVDX)yLhqXtG3xkvTE8dCc4XC53vc(MfkHhH90gHBPlwm6QHXLH(97v3X2UT4ZVEmIhbpIPbE6i4YJ4X4rBNsXZ(E0E2D1o7W6UZeeJMKpozVSpPXFsqkt6iSb6OpmBLSJN)FtBY1QsfX0DvJnXzWq2XwjikRrgnp6SxMDswm8VY)ZJZhmBHwREE1vSyXstH5jeCEd61F0mkBb2HCvEIIehUygTvhx3oTQQ83D9T(Q13T6W)(fV9p

[drifting fable]

it does 2.something mil damage

or

800k

which makes no sense

[sly shore]

never had that issue

[drifting fable]

the damage is blaze of glory right?

[lucid jackal]

THe entire fight doesnt matter

The only part of the fight that matters is p2

P2 = execute lust

just so ur aware

Sin is 20% stronger than sub in an execute sim post buff

[twilit phoenix]

“Why is the spec that does giga execute damage do more damage in an execute fight”

[lucid jackal]

esp if u have kezan + house of cards

[twilit phoenix]

[lucid jackal]

which I dont

[sly shore]

I have house of cards!!!!

[twilit phoenix]

Not having a heroic hoc this late into the season

[thick temple]

I just got cache of undermine treasures and i opened it and got heroic eye of kezan

why/how

[twilit phoenix]

Based

I got the mugzee gloves and the smile immediately faded from my face

[versed swift]

seaforium having 50% uptime and ~60% uptime on bomb spawns for rik is kinda cracked

juiced trinket

[thick temple]

wait those caches give raid drops? i thought world quest caches give u like vet gear and like resonance crystals

[lucid jackal]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

[vagrant sinew]

its a different box, its a weeklyq that rotates like every 2months

[short owl]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-ağlamak-haha-no-sad-gif-21890969

[thick temple]

i never even killed gally on heroic tho i was stunned

[vagrant sinew]

yeah it doesnt follow great vault rules, but doesnt have tier in it iirc

[twilit phoenix]

Gg go again season 3 angle

See you next patch

[shrewd lantern]

Those raid caches are from weekly event quests

heroic for mythic dungeon one, normal for timewalking

[dense lichen]

Ya the heroic one can drop raid gear. Got my Heroic HoC from it, mashallah

[hazy breach]

Depends on how long the fight is, but seeing as the mugzee one is like 2:30 its GG

[shrewd lantern]

I usually just get an item from one of the first 3 bosses

very useful /s

[hazy breach]

With more gear if it drops down below 2 mins sub is probably fine again, but until then

[lucid jackal]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[vagrant sinew]

if you kill bandit 1s before he explodes, how much of your 2nd cds do you get in?

[paper iron]

Gz

trashloots tho

isnt it?

[hazy breach]

I was talking about mugzee

[lucid jackal]

Yeah no shit its fucking terrible

[paper iron]

idk besides house idk a single item from this dude

[hazy breach]

Iirc the bandit p2 is like 90s so its kinda cringe

But atleast you dont need to hold cds for it

[paper iron]

should make flag 1mn cd and blades 2mn cd

oh wait

[bleak night]

[shrewd lantern]

i think we've seen hoc once across all difficulties

big red button drops every week though

[vagrant sinew]

thought it was 100s

maybe thats already counting the 10s explode

[worn ivy]

Yo bois do u know many craft we have in total ? Coz ididnt get any spark from pinnacle this week so. Ive 2 crafted and 1 spaek am i fine or ?

Spark

[hazy breach]

3

[worn ivy]

Than my char is bugged nice

[hazy breach]

They drop exclusively from the one weekly quest

Not just any pinnacle

The worldsoul one

[worn ivy]

Yea i did all weekly

[hazy breach]

Well then youre probably missing the one from last week

And it will drop whenever you do keys/kill bosses

[worn ivy]

Last week i had in bags

I did kill all bosses today hc and 3 mythic

Did like 5 keys

0 drop

[shrewd lantern]

catchup is rng

thats just called anlaaki

[hazy breach]

Then youre either unlucky or youre wrong and you havent done the worldsoul weekly

[worn ivy]

Wordsouls weekly in dornogal right ?

I think it got bugged because i take the quest on reset timer. And currencies was not reseted while i was doing the quest

This bug apperently happend

To other people aswell

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[worn ivy]

Eye of kezan is bad in dungeons ?

[hazy breach]

Eye if kezan is bad if you stay out of combat and let the buff drop

Its good if you dont

[worn ivy]

What abut jastir diamond

Ive hc and my versa rimg sims higher in dungeon

[versed hazel]

thoughts on pacemaker vs spare keys in m+?

is there some tech to pacemaker im missing

my spare keys sims higher in dungeon slice

[west tide]

chat i might make my first macro for sub ever

shadowblades and my house of cards

[bleak night]

One macro a day to improve your gameplay?

[west tide]

yes or no

[swift tinsel]

Sure

[bleak night]

Why wouldn’t you

[west tide]

im anti macro but im trying to make a change

ill do it thanks guys

i just needed your support

[rain swallow]

we're doing it guys!

[bleak night]

You’ll always have my support friend

[west tide]

aww ❤️

[fallen fable]

heya what embelish we use for M+ as sub

subli on dagger

then on neck

what we put

[spice matrix]

is coup bugging out more than usual tonight?

2nd time during sprocket I've had it bug out

[paper iron]

Doesnt matter that much, can check !sheet to see what is used but embelish are so equally trash

isnt subli the one that combo with another one?

[fallen fable]

nah

its the buff of vers

x10

89 vers

[hazy breach]

Genuinely doesnt matter, all embellishments suck ass

The stats over 80% hp probably sim like 0.1% ahead

[worn ivy]

@hazy breach are u talking about this?

[hazy breach]

Go use those ig

[cedar lagoon]

hey someone have a weak aura for traking Symbols of death?

[hazy breach]

No, the one where you pick between 4 things to do

[worn ivy]

yea that one i took dungeons

i did that quest didnt give spark

[shadow lance]

Boyz, got emotional up and down today..

HoC drop, loose the rand, got it in chest (yes, I couldn't open chest beofre raid night), did sim and DPS loss compared to trasnmitter

Now I hesitate taking the shitty haste/mastery dagger in vault

[sudden bone]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[twilit phoenix]

you guys playing sub or sin in DFC?

[grave delta]

dfc?

[tribal blade]

darkflame cleft

[twilit phoenix]

yeye

darkflame

feel like that might be a good sin key ngl

played floodgate as sin for the first time

[lusty root]

W

[twilit phoenix]

holy shit an insane sin key

[grave delta]

isnt every key other than top a sin key

[twilit phoenix]

yeah I guess

[lusty root]

got the eye from the fucking weekly lmao

[tribal blade]

eye of kezan seems like a shit trinket ngl

for most situations

[fallen fable]

so u think all keys is SIN key

exept top ?

[lusty root]

solid for M prog i think

long fights

[fallen fable]

sin dont like connects so

idk

[hazy breach]

If you can consistently stay in combat it should be solid in keys

It loses one stack every 2 seconds

[tribal blade]

i would mostly be worried about things happening out of your control

[hazy breach]

But its hard

Ye

[modest delta]

TOP doesnt feel bad for sin?

[tribal blade]

like someone dies in a pull and you have to wait for them to get rezzed

or you die and lose your stacks

it's gg

[paper iron]

think zero actually swap to sub after the 2nd boss and it also slaps there. Ngl rogue so good yet so far from the top

[tribal blade]

i think sub right now just needs a way to spread rupture faster

however blizz would see fit for that to happen

[hazy breach]

Or no spread of rupture

[bleak night]

replicating replicating shadows

[paper iron]

delete rupture

[tribal blade]

what do you think they could replace rupture spreading with?

[bleak night]

honestly kinda yeah just delete rupture

[paper iron]

make shadowstrike apply a shadowbleed damage

gg

[lucid jackal]

I think sub rupture is p chill rn idk

[swift tinsel]

I don't think they need to replace it with anything

[paper iron]

yea i like rupture as sub tbh

[swift tinsel]

bring back nightblade, 1 target only but have bp funnel damage into it if they're gonna keep pushing bp

[hazy breach]

I think rupture should have some more interaction with the kit, or atleast talents that do

[paper iron]

funnel is gone forever

yea i agree

[hazy breach]

Like maybe you can only rupture one target, but every tick gives SHT stacks

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn't mind that

[paper iron]

cuz now like you have finality (which sux enough to not play arround it) and that s it

[swift tinsel]

kinda like old HaT

[paper iron]

rest is fully passiv

[swift tinsel]

since it was time-limited

[fallen fable]

so you think most of key have to be played as sin

[paper iron]

YO BANGER

[fallen fable]

and not sub

[paper iron]

haste sub is on the workbench

[fallen fable]

i think sub is more consistant for ST PRIO on hight key

[paper iron]

[fallen fable]

what u think

[swift tinsel]

theres a reason I still use the nightblade icon

[tribal blade]

oo interesting

[paper iron]

it is, it slaps single target

[swift tinsel]

imo spreading is not fun, limit 1 again

but iterate and make it interesting

like Eleem suggested, give it interaction with SHT

or Edge of Night functionality

[paper iron]

btw we dont talk enough about it

[swift tinsel]

idk

[hazy breach]

Could be every crit gives SHT and still be spreadable too

Idk

Just something

[paper iron]

but sht rework and shadowcraft

so good ideas

old sht was... wasting cp for fun

[swift tinsel]

Shadowstrike refreshes <30% and adds damage amp

stacking

something

anything

delete FW

[lucid jackal]

I kinda fw that

Maybe lower the duration and make it shadow damage too

[hazy breach]

Well its like a replacement for dark brew right

[swift tinsel]

personally I'd like to see all damage in dance be shadow, and outside of it only BS/storm and Evisc as phys

[hexed dagger]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[ornate heron]

why is it a damage increase to wait to use shadowblades until after your first builder?

i understand we have premed but why is using blades early a damage loss?

[twilit phoenix]

it just helps make sure that you have blades cover the entirety of your second dance

shadow blades doesn't really buff anything important if you cast it before your first sec tech

the sec tech clones don't spawn until like a second after you cast it

[ornate heron]

ah okay thank you

[twilit phoenix]

so if you blades right after sectech, you cover it

[ornate heron]

you blades before your sec tech dont you?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter, you can do either

[ornate heron]

dance / symbols / backstab / blades +trinket / ssec tec?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter if its sectec > blade or blades>sectech

[ornate heron]

ahh okok

but the reason for the delayed blades is to cover the end of the second dance

got it

[warm marlin]

1 pull of 70 pulls

my flag is not off cd

on pull

[hazy breach]

Well you have premeditation for your first builder in dance anyway

So youll be getting full cp either way

So if you delay it you'll get that global with a full cp builder later on (or buffing an eviscerate)

[warm marlin]

guess which one was the kill

absolute disaster

[opal nest]

!fuu

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[west tide]

guys does it matter if u bs first or ss first as long as u do it within the first 2...

[hazy breach]

Yes

If you dont have premeditation up, dont backstab

[west tide]

i see ok ty

[tribal blade]

we killed stix

[bright elk]

If adds die between the first and 2/3 hits of sectec do the secondary hits lose damage on the main target?

[tribal blade]

WOOO

[hazy breach]

Think so, but not 100%

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach got any dank tips for starting locken prog

[hazy breach]

Transmitter aint fun

But besides that i'd recommend holding your 3 min for ~3:30

Lines up better and you get to use pot at 5 min

[tribal blade]

mmm cool gotcha

[civic smelt]

!sheet

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[lilac stag]

bigger burst dmg

[hushed cedar]

Is there a reason why it's suggested not to macro dance/symbols and CB/sectec? I've noticed on logs that the symbol presses are coming up as incorrect

[hazy breach]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[jaunty heath]

The symbol presses are correct if you mean them being delayed to shadow dance

You dance back to back in cd but keep symbols to supercharge your secret tech

[hazy breach]

For symbols your goal is to make sure it always supercharges secret technique, which if you are macroing them together you will not do for your second dance in cooldowns unless you delay your second shadow dance

Which is not good as youre wasting blades&trinket uptimes

[hushed cedar]

Ahhh okay, ive got two keybinds. one for CB/sectec and one with just sectec

[hazy breach]

Ye thats fine

Macroing in this sense refers to macroing them together and then forgetting and not caring about cb

[hushed cedar]

is that the same reason symbols is not macros with dance? since sometimes you need to use symbols without dance?

[hazy breach]

We literally explained it right above

[exotic solstice]

😄

[jaunty heath]

Ya also makes no sense to have symbols and dance macro and then have a seperate one like you do with secret tech

These two just hit regular

Also start simplifying sod it’s gonna make your life so much easier

Sod = secret tech

Don’t care about pandemic nothing

[hazy breach]

Idk to me having dance and symbols bound seperately as well as a macro to use them together just adds a bind for no reason, but if it floats your boat go ahead

[jaunty heath]

Ye that’s what I mean idk if I worded myself badly

For those two it does absolutely make no sense to have a macro and regular binds

[hushed cedar]

my thought is that it doesn't have a GCD so therefore saving a button press. I'm by no means good at Sub though and that's why i'm asking questions

[hazy breach]

Again sure, if you think saving that button press is worth having an entirely seperate bind then go ahead

To me that is just making things more complicated for no reason

[fiery raven]

does somebody have a sim plug in for what flask i should be using?

[jaunty heath]

It’s in the tc channel

[sterile kiln]

any haste enjoyers

[jaunty heath]

Where is your mastery bro

[hushed cedar]

I've also seen some people macroing Dance to backstab, is that alright or no?

[jaunty heath]

Depends, the macro we have linked here makes you press it twice

[twilit phoenix]

i doubled your haste

[jaunty heath]

If you mean that it’s okay using it ye

But you don’t wanna have them just macroed together in case you start dance with full cps already

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[hazy breach]

Yes, if youre using it but also have another bind where its just dancing regularly for like half the time where you want to eviscerate or secret technique as your first global in dance

Or use that one and press it like armin said

Like the reason theres not a ton of recommended macros isnt because we hate macros and think theyre dumb, its because they dont really make anything easier

[marble ledge]

Coldblood on Coup De Grace just seems straight up better in ST

can someone confirm

[jaunty heath]

I’ll say tho I tried doing that macro - I’ll just say use backstab

It really doesn’t help you a lot

[marble ledge]

The crit applies to all three hits

does like 6mil

sectech does like 1-2 mil

[jaunty heath]

Secret tech hits harder

What secret tech does 1-2mil

[hushed cedar]

Thank you. I appreciate your help. I've been struggling to do decent damage as Sub in keys. ill be sitting around 2m while others up at 3m

[hazy breach]

Are you just looking at the physical part of sectech

And ignoring the clone part which is the majority of the damage

[marble ledge]

Oh maybe yeah

[hushed cedar]

went from playing unholy to sub and its been a curve

[tepid trellis]

was about to say

[jaunty heath]

A lot of it is routes to be fair

[tepid trellis]

cuz sectech does like 16m+

[marble ledge]

CB coup de grace /feels/ better

[jaunty heath]

If you are doing random pug low keys chances are you don’t get to play your cds properly

I did weekly 10 rookeries 2 days ago because I didn’t have time to play

In these 4 runs I had a 4m run and a 2.5 one

[vagrant sinew]

are u playing assa on mugzee

[hushed cedar]

I guess that makes a lot of sense, i pug 90% of the time time. In non pugs and a good tank I do much much better

[tepid trellis]

very likely

[hushed cedar]

pugs be doing a pack of 3 when all my CDs are up

[jaunty heath]

Sub keys is just figuring out where you can dance and where you can’t

[hazy breach]

For the most part if you do the opener correctly

[vagrant sinew]

gg the bad people won

[hazy breach]

And then do the opener again 90s later

Youve got most of sub down

[tepid trellis]

gm thinks he has a cook for how we can play the boss

and if that works

then im staying sub

[jaunty heath]

Stealthi

HoC this week?

[twilit phoenix]

holy

[jaunty heath]

Pls say yes

[twilit phoenix]

for your HOC

[tepid trellis]

i got it last week

[jaunty heath]

God bless

[tepid trellis]

this is a CB sectech for reference

[jaunty heath]

How did your coupe hit twice

And not 3 times

[small juniper]

:caught:

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[tepid trellis]

just a funny cut off

thats the full window

[shrewd shadow]

I’m struggling so bad to find a way to dps after that first burst, you look great sitting at 6-9m burst then the group takes forever to kill it and you drop down to 2 then trash pulls you’re sitting at 800K-1.2m

[ember hound]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper linden]

To anyone thats done Rik on Mythic, am I supposed to hard swap to ads or cleave ads off boss? Having a tough time getting ad damage when the ads spawn far from boss. When looking at logs the first few I looked at seem to solely cleave off of boss. Is hard swapping trolling my damage or is it something else im doing wrong potentially?

[muted birch]

well I just uped my CD game, patience from what I noticed is key

and timings

[chrome palm]

It depends on how fast your group kills them, if theyre living into intermission you should be hard swapping, otherwise its preferrable to stay on the boss and cleave

[muted birch]

i used to also sit at 1.1 or 1.3 dps at the end of fight

[tacit aspen]

Outside of our burst windows, when we’re doing normal shadow dances, why would we sectec first? Especially if we have low stacks of flawless form(like specifically 0)

[tepid trellis]

Good spawns=cleave off boss
Bad spawns=hard swap

[tepid trellis]

Pressing Sectech, lets you proc unseen blades twice for free

that would be why

[tacit aspen]

Thanks

[tepid trellis]

and if you wanna make sure you pad a bit, target swap to the barrels themselves for the Coldblood sectech, sometimes they just out of reach of sectech cleave from boss

[muted birch]

between burst window, we wait for stacks of shadow tech

or use bs without waiting for it ?

[tepid trellis]

not something you really care about

[muted birch]

to get charges*

mhm

ok

[tepid trellis]

just backstab away

[muted birch]

gotcha

[tepid trellis]

nothing you do will do any dmg regardless

[muted birch]

wanted to make sure 100%

[sterile kiln]

if your raid team struggles to kill the bombs in time, just hard swap
at least that's what I've been doing

@copper linden

[icy mulch]

Does anyone know if you vanish a fixate on the premium booty set on OAB, can it refixate on you?

[tepid trellis]

depends on fast you break your vanish

what i usually do is wait for the fixate to actually start

then vanish it

[icy mulch]

ty

[obtuse shard]

I still have ptsd from transmitter, everytime I press flag, I always have to aim the corner, I'm not getting used to with hoc

[still quartz]

is there a general rule for our 4 set?

[tepid trellis]

yes

ignoring it

unless its m+ and end of a pack

[still quartz]

losing 8 stacks before burst can hurt though

[tepid trellis]

it is what it is

on avg it does not matter one bit

[tribal blade]

i've tried playing around it and it can tank your damage pretty hard

[tepid trellis]

• you gain stacks back fast

during dances

[still quartz]

i press rupture sometimes right before my burst instead of evi just dont really want to lose my stacks

[short radish]

tell that to my flag/blades finishing at 2 stacks

my feelcraft says to send rupture at 8 stacks with 10 seconds left on cooldowns

[tepid trellis]

thats like 1 maybe 2 finishers