#subtlety
drifting fable
wym
alpine wraith
read above a bit has been like 5 diff people and we always tell why
just sim treats it like an on use
did get fixed in latest i was told tho
empty cargo
Is shiv worth having as a talent??
worn ingot
it is if you need an enrage dispell
empty cargo
only for specific dungeons where no one else can soothe
That’s what I was thinking
tribal blade
just timed a 13 workshop and it says my IO went up 18 points
but my IO was 3040 before and is now 3049
i'm confused
patent crystal
yes
tribal blade
WAIT they reduced the timer on darkflame by 2 mins
and it changed my timed 13 to depeleted
i hate this game
ok no i was actually right, my score was fucky because they retroactively changed darkflame keys
errant tinsel
guys i used transmitter on gallywix and the orb yeeted itself into the big hole in the middle
hazy breach
tribal blade
you better get yourself a HoC
i have heroic HoC on my rogue
norm HoC on my warr
it's just that easy
errant tinsel
hazy breach
Kinda hard when none of them are dropping bud
tribal blade
Kinda hard when none of them are dropping bud
my raid team has gotten at least 1 to drop on every single norm/heroic bandit kill
kinda nutty
hazy breach
Ye weve gotten 2 across 6 splits
tribal blade
rough
errant tinsel
never seen it
wide kernel
I see all the top sub rogues running treacherous transmitter from last tier what's up with that
errant tinsel
HoC doesnt exist
tribal blade
i took mine from vault because i'm not even eligible to roll on it
tribal blade
I see all the top sub rogues running treacherous transmitter from last tier what...
they haven't gotten HoC yet
sub is near the bottom of the queue for it
errant tinsel
And it's an excellent on-use with a 90sec CD
tribal blade
639 myth track
if you're running 626 transmitter a base hero HoC should be a dps increase
wide kernel
But transmitter is like bis trinket behind cards?
tribal blade
the main thing about running HoC is you can macro it to blades and forget about it
wide kernel
Easiest way to get it is doing last tiers raid then? Or
hazy breach
Would recommend jusdt getting the pvp trinket
Its roughly as good as a 626 transmitter
And you cant get a 639 transmitter anymore
Because you cant upgrade s1 gear anymore
wide kernel
What's the name of the pvp trinket?
hazy breach
Per the pin
lucid jackal
does it just not go off?
Correct
ornate heron
or does it add it to the duration?
hazy breach
Correct, you cannot dance while dance is up
ornate heron
gotcha
gloomy coral
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tepid trellis
Ye weve gotten 2 across 6 splits
5 over 0 splits
spice matrix
tfw 2 day no splits guild
hazy breach
We literally got 0 useful loot today from our splits 
tepid trellis
tfw 3 day guild no splits
hazy breach
No chug jug, no kezan, no jastor, no house
tepid trellis
we got 0 kezans
hazy breach
Unluigi
errant tinsel
tfw 1 day guild no splits
brazen meadow
can someone show me their stat breakdown for sub, trying to see how much I need to replace coming from sin
brazen meadow
just trying to replace some crit with vers and i guess im fine?
short radish
just trying to replace some crit with vers and i guess im fine?
if it makes you sleep better at night, yes youre fine
woeful ridge
yo so i'm watching imexile vods and I notice every time he enters flag window he blades/house of cards AFTER the first sectec why is that? even the wowhead guide says to use them before sectec so am I missing something?
severe vapor
is dslice sim actually good for sub ?
warm ibex
what build for bandit?
hazy breach
yo so i'm watching imexile vods and I notice every time he enters flag window he...
It doesnt matter if you do it before or after
The main damage part of sectech happens 1s & 1.3s after you press the button
woeful ridge
The main damage part of sectech happens 1s & 1.3s after you press the button
ahhhh makes sense cheers dude
remote rapids
can you step in jail on mugzee?
molten citrus
is dslice sim actually good for sub ?
Yep
small hemlock
Cards is only slightly better
But you don’t have to deal with transmitter bullshlackah with HoC
I watched the little purple ball float over Gallys hole the other night uwu
hazy breach
twilit phoenix
any advice on rik timings?
i'm sending first flag like right as he does his first crash
and then my juiced 2nd sectech is usually hitting the first set of ads
haughty widget
was transmitter stealth nerfed? it's no longer lining up with flag for me
hazy breach
was transmitter stealth nerfed? it's no longer lining up with flag for me
M+ affixes reduces cd of spells
Not trinkets
vernal junco
haughty widget
oof ty
short radish
M+ affixes reduces cd of spells
i hate this week
bitter lark
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
rocky ocean
I like how swords are cool fiery blades and the daggers are just fucking drills
bleak night
there are fire daggers too
short radish
I like how swords are cool fiery blades and the daggers are just fucking drills
have you seen the 2h weap off stix?
its a chainsaw
loud gyro
hello guys, i got a question if someone can help me.
Is it worth usin backstab on a shadow dance window??
sudden bone
!up
wicked joltBOT
warm depot
hello guys, i got a question if someone can help me.
Is it worth usin backstab o...
once with premed
for danse
young mural
if you're running 626 transmitter a base hero HoC should be a dps increase
at least for me, a 658 HoC beat my 626 transmitter
champ track max upgraded
honest saddle
are we every playing around our set bonus? I know after the nerf, the answer is kinda no, but there has to be a breakpoint where we dont evisc 5 seconds before flag and reset 8 stacks
loud gyro
once with premed
tysm, and a last question haha
secret technique is still worth casting as a first finisher? or is better to cast second one on a shadow dance window??
honest saddle
tysm, and a last question haha
secret technique is still worth casting as a firs...
if its just dance, second is optimal to get macabre stacks
ideal would be backstab evisc, shadow strike tech
loud gyro
aah, nice, but with cds like flag and shadowblades is it better first??
honest saddle
yes, you have to get the cdr going in order to make the second tech go
loud gyro
perfect, tysm!!
honest saddle
@hazy breach @vale pine raidbots haluscinating a single Black Powder in trickster ST. It shows in the dam, but doesnt show in the rotation globals anywhere.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ryyN21wg4agPsCJ5Ar7jUV
lucid jackal
are we every playing around our set bonus? I know after the nerf, the answer is ...
nop
lucid jackal
<@212854714197344256> <@194804407706189824> raidbots haluscinating a single Blac...
a sim is an average of 40k iterations
A sample sequence is 1 singular pull
It uses BP at 20? or less seconds on flag/blades with coup up
random hare
I didn't know we were still holding coup
Yes it uses bp for coup
young mural
you use bp to hold coup for cds yes
literally just tried holding it in a key for last boss, did crazy burst damage
really worth
raven maple
Im confused on what I'm supposed to do when there is between 3-6 target.
Is the following correct:
- In AoE only use Black Powder if you don't have Flawless Form up or if 7 or more targets are present.
-In AoE you wanna use Eviscerate over Black Powder if you have Flawless Form
So I can you BP only if I dont have flawless form and between 3-6 targets also?
lilac stag
BP is basically to save coup if needed.
You just send Evis at that target count in CDs. Rupture if no CDs
raven maple
BP is basically to save coup if needed.
So it's not a big dps benefit to use BP at that count?
lilac stag
It’s a loss
young mural
So it's not a big dps benefit to use BP at that count?
if youre comparing it to eviscerating with flawless form up, its a dps loss
its really not hard to keep flawless form up, so at that target count you really shouldnt be BP'ing unless youre in that niche situation scAth mentioned
where youre holding coup de grace
raven maple
So the time Flawless form is down it's so little that it's not a big deal to no use bp except for the mentioned situation?
young mural
So the time Flawless form is down it's so little that it's not a big deal to no ...
exactly
I dont really see myself in situations where flawless form isn't up though
and if there are, they're rare and for a very short time
raven maple
I see, thank you very much yall
upbeat sorrel
noticed on rik logs people are delaying cd's on pull for a bit, is that just to line up better with ad spawns
lilac stag
yes
tribal blade
noticed on rik logs people are delaying cd's on pull for a bit, is that just to ...
around 13-14 seconds
send
then you get adds up during your 2nd dance
at the start you can just get up snd with an evis and vanish>rupture
then build to 7CPs and wait
lilac stag
@tribal blade badge op in keys this week
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> badge op in keys this week
noice
just do keys 12 or higher and don't worry bout that
heehee
tribal blade
i did some 10s yesterday
it was so tilting
having to just hold cds to wait for HoC
young mural
having to just hold cds to wait for HoC
this is my life right now, so triggering
tribal blade
yeah it's pretty bad
young mural
im almost giving in and farming a badge
upbeat sorrel
cool ty, also noticed theres a SecTec at :54 without dance and just symbols is this normal for sub or specific for rik to save dance for adds
young mural
this is why i got a 92 on rik reverb, i was definitely not holding cds
lilac stag
having to just hold cds to wait for HoC
I thought you farmed badge
honest saddle
if my first global in a dance is evisc, does that mean I shadow strike into a tech and ignore bs?
honest saddle
why would the backstab be used
you get the same macabre stacks with strike
and it does more dam
jaunty heath
honest saddle
I want a formal fucking apology NOW
honest saddle
so you bs first, to use the premed stacks into a tech
then strike because it generates more cp into evisc
that makes sense
hmmmmmm
boreal finch
wait do I need to farm a million honor to put 2 sockets into this pvp neck?
honest saddle
theres some chest thing that spawns and the first person to open it gets the socket item
I dunno the details, just know it exists
young mural
wait do I need to farm a million honor to put 2 sockets into this pvp neck?
ayup
pvp sockets are fucking expensive
young mural
so you bs first, to use the premed stacks into a tech
exactly
young mural
lol btw
i managed to answer that mid i'pa pull in cinderbrew
mid bossfight
im insane
honest saddle
it could be for anything, really. My childhood, the way my wife treats me, work... I'll take anything
HES HIM
young mural
it could be for anything, really. My childhood, the way my wife treats me, work....
lmao
tribal blade
I thought you farmed badge
nah i didn't because i got HoC in first vault 😉
molten citrus
its 12.5k each?!
No. You can buy the bloodstones on the AH. It’s 5k honor each socket
bitter lark
In raid, pretty sure I've got my opener down, whats the criteria for sending second flag and blades?
tribal blade
does anyone know the exact timings on carts on 1st boss darkflame
it looks like it's roughly every 30 secs
young mural
sub does so much damage on there, its insane
haughty mural
nah i didn't because i got HoC in first vault 😉
Fortunately i got both now 
young mural
Fortunately i got both now <:2ez:587982296066424843>
this is about to be me in a few hours
just mustering the courage to go farm conquest 
sudden breach
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
marble ledge
I don't want the buff icons under my character (like slice and dice as shown), but I do want the combo point bar. Has anyone been able to get rid of those?
young mural
I don't want the buff icons under my character (like slice and dice as shown), b...
you need to turn off the personal resource display
im not sure if you can turn off only the buffs
marble ledge
unfortunately that turns off the combo bar too
Is there an alternative combo bar that works well for sub?
honest saddle
I don't want the buff icons under my character (like slice and dice as shown), b...
is this blizzards new ui stuff?
marble ledge
I'm not sure, @young mural is correct turning off personal resource display removes the buffs, but also the bar.
young mural
is this blizzards new ui stuff?
no, its personal resource display and its been here for a while now
marble ledge
I hate it, I just want the bar
honest saddle
I mean, I have a weak aura you can use that I made that is decent
but lots of the weak aura packs have them
young mural
I'm not sure, <@302644373798256641> is correct turning off personal resource dis...
yhea, idk if you can turn off only certain aspects of it
pretty trash from blizzard if you cant
graceful rock
Went over half of raid without my glad badge macro’d into shadow blades 
young mural
Went over half of raid without my glad badge macro’d into shadow blades <a:class...
thats so sad
marble ledge
what combo bar iare you using then?
marble ledge
hm, I do like the blizzard bar tho I will keep looking
young mural
yhea, this takes the whole blizzard theme and throws it away
calm chasm
!wa
wicked joltBOT
obtuse osprey
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
honest saddle
it just saves room so you dont have 7 combo points
but I can see how it would throw a loop at first
and since we dont finish until 6
you just dont finish until you see red
marble ledge
I found one that's pretty much exactly what I was looking for
basically an exact blizzard copy
thumbnail looks bad tho it's not like that
random hare
I found one that's pretty much exactly what I was looking for
Are you
young mural
FeelsGoodMan
marble ledge
@random hare am I?
warm marlin
badge enjoyers?
young mural
eye of kezan + badge is a devious combo
thoughts on mine? currently farming wrist and gloves, going to buy BoE boots
ornate lake
Sorry I'm a vault Hc HoC enjoyer
young mural
Sorry I'm a vault Hc HoC enjoyer
me be jealous
ornate lake
me be jealous
First hc kill vault
But...
I missed the mythic vault for two weeks because I keep getting banger hc trinkets
(HoC and the suspicious energy drink)
young mural
(HoC and the suspicious energy drink)
got sus energy drink from map yesterday
literally jumped with excitement
sus drink insane trinket pull
ornate lake
B/w sus energy drink and the mech amplifier, which scales better in long run?
Both sim 0.1% of each other
young mural
i had champ mechano-core
it was simming .1% higher than same ilvl sus drink
but idk
haste proc just seems very susge for me
young mural
Remember when haste was the worst rogue secondary?
isnt it still like that? 
ornate lake
young mural
i just dont touch outlaw
vale pine
<@212854714197344256> <@194804407706189824> raidbots haluscinating a single Blac...
its not halucinating, there is a small optimization in the sim where it would use BP if you have coup de grace roughly 20 sec before flag comes off cooldowns.
Tho this optimization was barely worth it last time i checked (0.2% dps)
young mural
combo point generator lol
ornate lake
Ngl having 6 rolls and then getting 8 back to back crackshots was peak gaming. Absolutely cracked.
The last time my serotonin spiked that much was the SL S3 Sub tier set when I got 7 back to back procs
young mural
i tried to do that
but couldnt play outlaw correclty
*Correctly
just stuck to sub
thick cedar
my sim is contantly telling me that Azerrokks Heart is better than Sus Energy on 5 bosses. Does that sound right?
young mural
my sim is contantly telling me that Azerrokks Heart is better than Sus Energy on...
trust sim.
maybe you already got a good amount of mastery idk
ornate lake
my sim is contantly telling me that Azerrokks Heart is better than Sus Energy on...
Simming for each boss
People have too much time on hands
thick cedar
no multi target AoE not 5 bosses...
young mural
5 target sim @ornate lake
thick cedar
Nah brah...
young mural
brah im talking alot
but doing a +10 darkflame
rn
literally
killing blazikron rn
thick cedar
Hardcore.
sturdy moat
are we supposed to have a full spark next week ?
young mural
multitasker
young mural
are we supposed to have a full spark next week ?
yup
sturdy moat
i havent gotten my half spark yet this week, what quest do i have to do for it?
celest night
!up
wicked joltBOT
young mural
i havent gotten my half spark yet this week, what quest do i have to do for it?
im not sure, got my spark this week from last pinnacle crate i opened
those weekly crates you get for weekly quests, awaken the machine, special assignments etc.
young mural
You getting outdpsed by a ret pala
lets not talk about it?
i bet paladin isnt playing while talking crazy in ret paladin discord
just wiped on boss
warm marlin
thoughts on mine? currently farming wrist and gloves, going to buy BoE boots
big heroic drink
young mural
big heroic drink
love you, ty for the recognition
ornate lake
lets not talk about it?
How palas avoid the nerf hammer is still a mystery to me
Literally the most skillless spec in the game
Judgement-WoA-Empyrean Hammer
Oh yeahhh I'm gonnnaaa burst
young mural
this shit pisses me off so much
you have no idea
ret paladins make me want to type out random slurs
vale pine
what did they do?
uncut bloom
0 skill involved
Idk, subtlety has certainly had its moments of brain dead game play
young mural
Idk, subtlety has certainly had its moments of brain dead game play
really??
ornate lake
Idk, subtlety has certainly had its moments of brain dead game play
Even the funnel monkey macro everything sub of Shadowlands needed more skills than today's pala
young mural
i started to play rogue in DF S3, literally got me addicted to this shitty class
ornate lake
You had 3 min shadowblades and flagellation was a haste buff (not mastery)
young mural
i started to play rogue in DF S3, literally got me addicted to this shitty class
it was hard back then and got easier now with shadow blades and flag lining up
ornate lake
Rogues in shadowlands had one of the highest skill ceilings in the game.
Outlaw was a demonic spec
young mural
Rogues in shadowlands had one of the highest skill ceilings in the game.
i feel like rogues have been that way for a long time
one of the hardest classes to play
young mural
along side a few others like fire mage etc.
ornate lake
The mouseover bonespike necrolord outlaw and the shadow dust kyrian outlaw were absolute ass cancers
young mural
i dont even touch outlaw, too insane for me
i miss invigorating shadowdust from dragon flight though 😔
like i miss it alot
ornate lake
i dont even touch outlaw, too insane for me
The SL one was absolute cancer. But the DPS burst on it was insane.
young mural
😭
ornate lake
Funnily, shadowdust was mainly an outlaw thing
honest saddle
dreadblades, flagellation
or if it wasnt flag it was something
I cant remember
but something flagesque
ornate lake
dread blades
Don't get me started on the blunderbussy
Beginning of downfall of outlaw, it brought down the skill ceiling and made the spec literally BM level of gameplay
young mural
sorry for my dumb question, but what did/does dreadblades do?
uncut bloom
Even the funnel monkey macro everything sub of Shadowlands needed more skills th...
Black powder spam and almost perma dance was as brain dead as you could get tbh
ornate lake
what CDs did you have to pull <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Yeah AR and BtE. Permanent uptime
honest saddle
dread blades made every builder you do fill combo points, like shadow blades
young mural
dread blades made every builder you do fill combo points, like shadow blades
oh thats nice
ornate lake
Black powder spam and almost perma dance was as brain dead as you could get tbh
Black powder spam is cringe and no one bought subs for black powder. You would funnel all the way.
ornate lake
oh thats nice
So you would go finisher to finisher to finisher to finisher
young mural
So you would go finisher to finisher to finisher to finisher
crazy work
back to back to back consistant between the eyes?
uncut bloom
Black powder spam is cringe and no one bought subs for black powder. You would f...
Yes exactly, brain dead and boring
vale pine
0 skill involved
I mean thats their design principle
the spec is designed to be extemely easy so the player can be a toxic fuck
ornate lake
But I was really happy when I saw they brought in scent, shrouded and exsanguate in dragonflight.
Peak assa talents
young mural
I mean thats their design principle
and thats exactly what makes me mad about it
i feel like its throughput is insanely high for the effort you put into it
vale pine
i was joking, i mean it is easy to allow more players to participate in harder content
ret is basically tuned higher to keep the player base of wow high
vale pine
there is a reason it is the by far most popular spec in the game
young mural
there must have absolutely no questions about how you should play it
young mural
there is a reason it is the by far most popular spec in the game
loool hjahahhahahahah thats fucking insane
vale pine
compare this to e.g. subtlety
young mural
ofc BM and ret would be top 2
vale pine
ret was not that popular before the rework
young mural
compare this to e.g. subtlety
280k parses vs 80k
vale pine
but ever since always buffed or tuned extremely well and is easy to play
i mean you don't even press wings now
the gameplay loop became extremely boring/simple
young mural
exactly why it pisses me off even more
you dont even use your brain for CD management anymore
vale pine
tho you can be top in dps meters due to tuning, and it is in fact what people value
also can use most spells from range
drowsy moon
the gameplay loop became extremely boring/simple
what if every sectec activated shadow blades for 8 secs
vale pine
so no hard melee requirement like on rogue
silent ruin
Blizzard loves arthas n uther
young mural
you used to not have to use your brain for rotation, but at least you'd have to think about CDs to get good dps
honest saddle
<:HOLY:1250893440183570533> what if every sectec activated shadow blades for 8 s...
I mean it kinda does? you basically do one builder one spender most of the time, you just dont get the shadow dam buff
drowsy moon
young mural
nowadays you dont think about rotation or CDs + you get all melee spec benefits without the range requirement
i mean how does that not aggravate you
drowsy moon
Wdym u don't think about rotation
young mural
ranged without casts is crazy work
vale pine
i mean ret in general is one of the popular themes
young mural
Wdym u don't think about rotation
dude compare a ret paladin's rotation toi a sub rogue one
ornate lake
But blizzard have assa caustic spatter and super juiced up SecTech for sub.
So I kinda forgive them
young mural
do you really think its even in the same ballpark for comparison?
drowsy moon
dude compare a ret paladin's rotation toi a sub rogue one
rets have rotation?
dense lichen
Anyone else having issues with their treacherous transmitter desyncing with flagellation? I have the two macroed together but multiple times today when Flag would be up again, transmitter would still have like 7 sec of CD. It’s only been an issue as of today, had 0 issues before.
ornate lake
Anyone else having issues with their treacherous transmitter desyncing with flag...
Bruh
It's the affix
drowsy moon
It's fun to be the underdog
ornate lake
Jesus christ
dense lichen
Omg
vale pine
e.g. paladin in dungeons and dragons is one of the popular classes
young mural
Anyone else having issues with their treacherous transmitter desyncing with flag...
YES, this week's M+ affix is desyncing trinkets
dense lichen
Ok don’t mind me then, I’m just dumb
silent ruin
Anyone else having issues with their treacherous transmitter desyncing with flag...
Don't run them together, 101
ornate lake
e.g. paladin in dungeons and dragons is one of the popular classes
Even thief/rogue/assassin is too
drowsy moon
That's a very different scenario
young mural
e.g. paladin in dungeons and dragons is one of the popular classes
yhea i agree, theme is cool and all but really people think a godly kind of warrior is so cool??
vale pine
people love to:
- play human in any high fantasy universe
- play the righteous knight
drowsy moon
It's not godly kind of warrior
U know what's cool gray guards
Does anyone know what's a gray guaed
silent ruin
Assa rogues going to dominate tier by the end I feel
vale pine
you essentially have always the lawfully good paladin in your dunegon group
young mural
Even thief/rogue/assassin is too
exactly, a fucking robber killer assassin darkness dude is much more cool than a literal white knight imo
young mural
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Gray_guard
actually cool asf cant lie
drowsy moon
Lawful good btw
idle plinth
Hello, I’m having some issues with cd management. Do you use clone outside of SD? And do you SD outside of burst phases with Flag + SB? Also should I stop using SoD to pool energy and do a mini dance?
drowsy moon
"Do whatever it takes to get the job done, and worry about the moral questions later"
vale pine
Even thief/rogue/assassin is too
in anything not mmorpg yes, but wow and ffo made rogue one of the more complex options while removing the reasons the archetype is so popular in other genres
e.g. in wow subtelty is often the glass cannon
but you are not allowed to do more damage than other classes
so you remove the entire benefit of glass cannon
surprise surprise, if you pull 5 mobs and die
vale pine
80% of the players switch to something that can go afk and kill the 5 mobs
young mural
idk just feels weird for me
i get warlock being the 3rd most played spec/class
it has an actual cool theme and lore behind it
but hunter and paladin are so cring
vale pine
hunter makes a lot of sense to be played
young mural
hunter makes a lot of sense to be played
how
queen kraken
My rl told Me no hoc cuz outlaw outperformes and low sim compared to myth transmitter
😂
young mural
it has to be top 1 most boring spec concept
queen kraken
Barely any outlaws from rik onwards
vale pine
bm hunter is now for multiple xpacs the definition of easy to play ranged spec with no casting
you essentially have complete freedom of movement and a simple rotaiton
making it the perfect beginner friendly spec
young mural
hunter makes a lot of sense to be played
a dude that uses a bow and his pets to kill people is cooler than all the magic classes we have?
ornate lake
I like rogue being a niche class choice and higher skill ceiling.
Makes us look like mafia
young mural
talking about concept, not actual gameplay stuff
young mural
I like rogue being a niche class choice and higher skill ceiling.
Makes us look...
agreed, feels like a little club where you cant get in that easily
jade canopy
i refused to play ret after nyalotha was goated at that time and i loved the procs 
vale pine
just that bm does not need insane tuning
young mural
just that bm does not need insane tuning
neither ret pala, but they insist in making it insanely good
vale pine
the way i see it is, blizz tries to make the popular specs more appealing
ornate lake
you essentially have always the lawfully good paladin in your dunegon group
I just want to stab people and spill out their innards. Dead people can neither lie, steal or do bad things.
vale pine
it is why you see ret paladin getting very strong output every tier
young mural
dude you should HAVE to put in effort to see big numbers, you should be rewarded for studying your rotation, running sims, analyzing logs, practicing etc etc etc
vale pine
and because ret has such a high amount of players
keeping them happy is a higher priority
young mural
but here comes BM and ret just pressing 3 buttons randomly and topping meters
vale pine
at least thats my theory
young mural
keeping them happy is a higher priority
yhea i mean its not a secret that blizzard has been fiending for subs for a while now
ornate lake
dude you should HAVE to put in effort to see big numbers, you should be rewarded...
Blizzard doesn't think that way
young mural
their motto has been subs over everything for a WHILE now
vale pine
i mean sub is good right now
young mural
i mean sub is good right now
me happy
vale pine
its just, rogue in general is not competing with the highest dps
especially not the outliners
ornate lake
You mean sub as in spec or subscriptions?
young mural
all 3 rogue specs are great rn
vale pine
sub = subtlety
ornate lake
vale pine
outlaw might be the most underrated this tier
young mural
blizzard has been a sellout for subscriptions for a while
and you SHOULDNT expect anything other than that for a publicly listed company that got bought by one of largest corporations in the world
ornate lake
outlaw might be the most underrated this tier
Maybe tomorrow I will wake up and see
*Outlaw has been deleted from the rogue spec tree
young mural
they really should be maxing out profits
queen kraken
Wouldnt high end guilds use outlaw instead of sub if it was superior?
vale pine
if anything we will just get more classes next xpac
young mural
if anything we will just get more classes next xpac
hope so
fuu, what do you think they'll do about hero specs next expac? im pretty hyped about that
will they add more?
completely remove them?
vale pine
Wouldnt high end guilds use outlaw instead of sub if it was superior?
outlaw is not ideal for a early progression setting unless you know the fights noticably before
young mural
Wouldnt high end guilds use outlaw instead of sub if it was superior?
not enough uptime for it to be worth it imo
but i dont know anything about outlaw so take that with a bag of salt
queen kraken
So its basically an uptime issue? Like planning and so on
vale pine
it is more a problem of the flat damage profile and high uptime requirements
if you know the fights need equal damage during all phases
vagrant fulcrum
outlaw is not ideal for a early progression setting unless you know the fights n...
I’ve been thinking about this, I think their learning curve is just different since it’s less steep initially on a fight but then they get to optimise it for longer
vale pine
and outlaw is typically slightly better sustained damage than the other 2
queen kraken
I just get so tilted trying to proc transmitter the same time i use sectec
vale pine
it can be a great choice
but as is, you have e.g. adds or specific phases you need damage
and both assassination and subtlety do that better
young mural
fuu, what do you think they'll do about hero specs next expac? im pretty hyped a...
i need your input on this @vale pine
vale pine
i have no idea
i could see each spec getting a new hero spec
or just a few more talents for each
young mural
or just a few more talents for each
oh yhea, thats a possibility
queen kraken
Well im gonna mess with rl on rik next week since i had highest dmg on barrels and with outlaw i dont see that happening 😂
vagrant fulcrum
but as is, you have e.g. adds or specific phases you need damage
This is 100% the crux of the issue, OL has no control over if it wants to push a specific thing which is why sub if preferred, lowest cd burst and highest burst of the 3 specs
young mural
would be pretty underwhelming though to just have a few more talent rows compared to getting whole new hero talent specs
stone robin
i had my first raid as sub yesterday and it was so fun!
its just normal but im happy how it went.
i fucked up bigtime on stix tho, weird af boss XD
young mural
but thats probably whats going to happen
ornate lake
i could see each spec getting a new hero spec
Oh god please.
Assassination is getting murdered by that garbage tier hero tree called Deathstalker. Literally the worst hero tree in the entire game.
young mural
Oh god please.
Assassination is getting murdered by that garbage tier hero tree...
that would be cool
fuck fatebound btw
fuck deathstalket btw
trickster on top
give nimble flurry to assassination, buff the fuck out of internal bleeding 
tribal blade
rogue hero trees so badly cooked each spec only has 1 viable tree
young mural
rogue hero trees so badly cooked each spec only has 1 viable tree
i actually miss playing 2 different hero trees like we did in S1
added a bit more of variety to sub
tribal blade
i do not actually, i like just playing trickster
young mural
trickster so cool tbf\
tribal blade
they might have had more success if they just made 1 hero tree per spec
young mural
but imo it shouldnt be the best hero spec for single target
young mural
they might have had more success if they just made 1 hero tree per spec
i mean they cant even tune a single hero tree, imagine 2 per spec per class
hollow spear
Complete tangent, but this will eventually drive me insane. Does anyone else's game just randomly change the resolution to something stupid, which makes the game blurry?
young mural
crazy work
tribal blade
yeah they put themselves in a hard situation
young mural
Complete tangent, but this will eventually drive me insane. Does anyone else's g...
lol haven't run into this issue
hollow spear
just cuts off 19 pixels in the vertical axis and completely destroys all text clarity haha
dense lichen
They’re probably just gonna end up baking certain hero talents into spec trees like they do with every expac’s added power feature
hollow spear
They used to use tier sets for that, but this season's tier sets aren't usable for hero talents
hollow spear
I need to restart afterward
same
young mural
They’re probably just gonna end up baking certain hero talents into spec trees l...
it would be such a big L if they removed the whole hero spec tree concept and went back to the boring regular talent tree
but thats blizzard every single xpac
they do something cool and interesting for once
and remove it next expac because why not
dense lichen
Yep, happens every time
young mural
truly my favorite addition they every did were artifact weapons
so fucking cool
kinda removes some of the depth of going after your bis weapon and weapon upgrades but
so cool
hollow spear
going after your bis weapon is half dead anyways
dense lichen
It was a sad day when BFA dropped and everyone had to replace their sick ass artifact weapons with quest and dungeon drops
hollow spear
crafted weapons are so close
young mural
It was a sad day when BFA dropped and everyone had to replace their sick ass art...
depressing shit
i quit when bfa dropped
and came back only in DF S3 lol
but I do regret not playing shadowlands
limpid sage
but I do regret not playing shadowlands
s1 was goated
uncut bloom
Nah being locked into a convenant sucked ass
young mural
s1 was goated
seems like a cool and very different expansion all around, i wish i had experienced it
limpid sage
Nah being locked into a convenant sucked ass
just choose the right covenant 4head
young mural
but people really hated covenants and the torghast stuff
dense lichen
As long as you weren’t super butthurt about the lore Shadowlands wasn’t that bad. But idk, I just enjoy wow so I don’t really relate to the hate each expac gets.
young mural
As long as you weren’t super butthurt about the lore Shadowlands wasn’t that bad...
lore wise its so fuking bad
dense lichen
Ya no argument there
young mural
what do you mean we just go in and out of heaven/hell whenever we want now?
fuck afterlife we invaded that shit
and jailer just being a bugged out robot is an INSANE end to the storyline, so fucking bad
uncut bloom
but people really hated covenants and the torghast stuff
I liked the covenants and abilities, just didnt like being hard locked early on.
dense lichen
Ya, everyone knew it was going to be an ass system tying covenant choice to player power and blizz still tried to convince us it was good lmao
young mural
when does tuning usually roll out?
its kinda looking like they wont fuck with alot of stuff
dense lichen
Lots of ppl were expecting Blizz to announce something this week since the RWF ended but there’s been no word so who knows
Btw has any noticed The First Dance proccing in combat? I vanished during a boss fight today and re engaged, but the timer for First Dance still went off and gave me the buff. Havent had the chance to really test and see if it’s a consistent thing or not.
young mural
Lots of ppl were expecting Blizz to announce something this week since the RWF e...
yhea thats exactly what i was expecting
vagrant fulcrum
and jailer just being a bugged out robot is an INSANE end to the storyline, so f...
iRobot bro
young mural
iRobot bro
sturdy moat
im having trouble syncing cooldowns, do you hold shadow dances so they line up with cold blood ?
hollow spear
if you want to make life easy, you never cast cold blood in between flags
sturdy moat
that does make life a lot easier
trying to fit two cold bloods per blades and flag is making all my shit line up weird and delayed
hollow spear
per blades and flag?
sturdy moat
cold blood 45s = 2 per blades and flag 1:30?
hollow spear
okay, I briefly thought you mistook sectec or sth
you can make it fit if you perfectly time your dance to cast CB on the gcd when it comes back up
but in my experience, that's quite hard to do in hectic conditions
dense lichen
U can get away with it in certain situations in m+ depending on where u are in a dungeon and how big the pack is but in ur normal rotation it isn’t worth desyncing cold blood
next pulsar
Guys, how many shadow dances should I use between burst windows?
dense lichen
1-2. It’s better to judge off cd timers than aim for specific amounts.
young mural
thats something i was curious about
should i even bother sending 2nd cooldblood on CD
on a random eviscerate? or if im lucky in a not very buffed sec tech
next pulsar
Also is it mistake to start SD window with coup de grace without fazed?
dense lichen
on a random eviscerate? or if im lucky in a not very buffed sec tech
Definitely not on eviscerate. Ideally the bare minimum for cold blood is SD + SoD. But the risk of desyncing with flag is high enough that in boss fights and such it’s better to just hold it and pretend it’s a 1.5min cd
young mural
Definitely not on eviscerate. Ideally the bare minimum for cold blood is SD + So...
yhea I figured
dense lichen
Like I was saying, m+ can be different. There’s packs that merit cold blood + sec tech, but not a Flag SB burst so you have to just judge it in the moment
young mural
I sometimes desync it in M+ for a bit extra damage on Sd + SoD when I know ill be holding cds for a bit
dense lichen
Also is it mistake to start SD window with coup de grace without fazed?
Yes, ur losing out flawless form stacks if you do that
young mural
but yhea, during strict boss fights where i've figured the timings, i generally dont send cold blood
off of my burst window
worn tulip
If I reach 30 stack of flag, i can CB on first dance? Or I w8 second dance?
dense lichen
Better still to wait until second dance for our tier set and flawless form stacks to build up
young mural
If I reach 30 stack of flag, i can CB on first dance? Or I w8 second dance?
if youre doing the correct opener, you should not have 30 flag stacks in 1st sec tech
dense lichen
if youre doing the correct opener, you should not have 30 flag stacks in 1st sec...
That too
young mural
hadnt seen your answer, agreed
worn tulip
Oh ok even i aoe, when I spread rep i easy reach 30 in no time
young mural
Oh ok even i aoe, when I spread rep i easy reach 30 in no time
yhea i mean during AOE you might want to send CB on first dance
for extra upfront burst damage while all mobs in pack are alive
worn tulip
Oh ok so I do right
young mural
in M+ you have much more flexibility with your rotation
quaint verge
Does anyone know if Coup adds a separate stack of Macabre compared to evis? eg. Dance backstab/evis/shadowstrike/(coup proc)/symbol/shadowstrike/sectec?
worn tulip
Ok ty boys
young mural
but keep in mind if you're sure that all mobs will stay alive, best DPS is doing the normal opener with CB on 2nd dance
worn tulip
Love you all
young mural
Love you all
love you more dude
dense lichen
Are you popping flag while the mobs are still being gathered? As far as I understand you want to flag just before your first dance so it stays active until the end of your second dance
young mural
Are you popping flag while the mobs are still being gathered? As far as I unders...
you flag while mobs are being gathered/almost gathered
then send 2-3 ruptures max
and then pop dance and CDs
you want all mobs to be gathered when sending 1st sec tech
dense lichen
Ya I usually just send 1 rupture after flag and then pop everything else
young mural
i mean shouldnt be a big dps difference
worn tulip
2 is more etic for me
young mural
im about to learn how to sim rotation variations so i can do the ultimate extra master moment min maxxing
actionlist stuff
im about to become a robot in this shit
dense lichen
Lmao I haven’t gone that deep down the rabbit hole just yet but I’m getting close
worn tulip
But I will try 1 rep and open
young mural
im about to jump off the deep end here
young mural
But I will try 1 rep and open
1-2 is great
dense lichen
Ya now that I think about it, 2 is probably better in AoE but like David said the number difference probably isn’t that big.
upbeat sorrel
!up
wicked joltBOT
final wasp
sturdy moat
Does shadowblades add 20% damage to finishers as well as builders ? Just says attacks in the tooltip
shy ermine
Yes
sour forum
hey got a question, idk if any1 tried, can u avoid mythic rik's amplification with evasion?
nvm found out, the answer is yes 😅
tulip gorge
Yo @sour forum what’s up
maiden oar
soloing this guy on rogue SUCKED
recommend exhilarating execution btw
meager coyote
hey boys, dungeon slice sim any good for this spec? 😄
void hound
!bs
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vale pine
hey boys, dungeon slice sim any good for this spec? 😄
yes
sacred magnet
do we just macro hoc with shadowblades?
rocky totem
do we just macro hoc with shadowblades?
That’s fine yeah
glass jasper
Underpin is so stupid as sub
When you need to wait a year between each pull for cds
sacred magnet
Okay
other question, is it better to have macro with /use House of Cards or /use 14/13
rocky totem
Not sure I would say it’s better but I use /use 13
sacred magnet
okay thanks!
void hound
!wa
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distant plinth
Hey chaps quick question for my understanding of the gameplay. Outside of flag burst in dance+symbols, if we don't have coup up, why is sechtech the first charged finisher? Is it not better to build danse macabre stacks before using it?
If we use it straight away, it's cast with 1 stack of Dance macabre whereas if you wait for the second charged finisher, it's used with 3-4 stacks (bs+evisc+shadowstrike+sechtech)
Or am I missing something here?
low nacelle
Hello can some on explaine to me why i sim only at this ? : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1qRkSSVFMcDD2XDEYSUnhN
autumn flame
ornate heron
!FUU
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distant plinth
Hey chaps quick question for my understanding of the gameplay. Outside of flag b...
Does anyone have an answer for this please? 🙏
raw wadi
Hey chaps quick question for my understanding of the gameplay. Outside of flag b...
Thats because if you not use sechtech as first finisher you wont have it back for second dance in CDs or it will be close to have it inside the flag/Blades window
slate lantern
(The damage gain from one stack of DM not in our cd windows is inconsequential)
raw wadi
And also if you use sechtech you will have unseen blade up. Because this you will shift cold blood to the second sechtech
lilac stag
Or am I missing something here?
Sectech for unseen blades
warm marlin
Hey chaps quick question for my understanding of the gameplay. Outside of flag b...
You can use dance + sod with 10s left on sectec outside of cds and press it as 2nd finisher
lilac stag
Thats because if you not use sechtech as first finisher you wont have it back fo...
“Outside of the flag window”. 
distant plinth
You can use dance + sod with 10s left on sectec outside of cds and press it as 2...
Yes I do that. What about if sechtech is up already?
Is the cdr you gain more valueable than the danse stacks?
mystic ether
Do you always backstab as a first combo point builder in SD?
warm marlin
I believe wasting the cdr is bad
distant plinth
Ok thanks a lot for the replies chaps
lilac stag
we min max the danse for the big cb Sectech
warm marlin
Casting dance sod with 10s left on sectec gets you the best of both worlds
lilac stag
outside of that unseen blades and CDR “more better”
warm marlin
Danse stacks + no wasted cdr
mystic ether
What's cdr again?
warm marlin
Cooldown reduction
lilac stag
the bane of this spec
mystic ether
So basically SD at 10s sectec cd, backstab, eviscerate, shadow strike sectec (with coldblood)?
warm marlin
Yes, but with normal timings sectec will be off cd ready if you are trying to do the cold blood sectec between flags
mystic ether
And in that case, do I sectec as a first finisher?
zenith pasture
Does anyone know why nothing changes when I'm using these settings on Luxthos - Rogue Sub
i want to make them look like this
austere spindle
!wa
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mystic ether
Also pressing finishers on 5 CPs is not worth it, right? I should always go for 6+
lilac stag
Does anyone know why nothing changes when I'm using these settings on Luxthos - ...
It’s likely hand coded and ignoring the options
glass jasper
Is there a wa/addon/setting or something to kick bombs with a keypress? Like in motherload, just a keypress and not have to target click them?
austere spindle
Is there a wa/addon/setting or something to kick bombs with a keypress? Like in ...
I think you can keybind the interact Button
low nacelle
ok ty !
maiden oar
Is there a wa/addon/setting or something to kick bombs with a keypress? Like in ...
do this console command too
makes it so the facing requirement to kick them is less restrictive
meager coyote
question for the big brained, we don't evisc in opener for s&d because it's better to have another supercharged finisher in cds than 5? globals of s&d?
ornate lake
wary jungle
In AOE situations does it matter whether you keep targetting as main target the enemy you used flag on? I thought I had to, but saw a video of Casualaddict swapping target after pressing flag
old kayak
!log
upper cosmos
!fuu
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lilac stag
question for the big brained, we don't evisc in opener for s&d because it's bett...
We don’t do it because the 3seconds of SnD isnt a gain over doing a quicker and simplified opener that puts CDs on cooldown faster.
you can do the extended open on Rik since we’re basically holding CDs until the 13-14 second mark.
Since it lines up with adds better
slate lantern
Are there any other bosses where there is an accepted delay of cds? On heroic OAB my add damage is so bad cause it feels like only one window ever lines up with adds
warm marlin
Heroic gallywix was still fine this week to hold flag a bit for add spawns
It’s kind of pad though
Mythic rik mythic stix
warm marlin
And in that case, do I sectec as a first finisher?
Technically you can time to cast an evis like usual if start your dance like 2-3s before cold blood comes up but not casting it immediately off cd is kinda bad
I usually just dance symbols backstab at like 0.8s on cold blood cd then sectec first finisher since it’s cozier
placid tendon
are you talking about using shadow dance so it lines up with a cold blood inbetween cds?
warm marlin
yes
fleet acorn
Im using cds then 2 Dances between next CDs After that only 1 Dance between cds seems to align rly good with 90+ Logs
vagrant fulcrum
!up
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ornate lake
In AOE situations does it matter whether you keep targetting as main target the ...
Nah... We ain't deathstalker assa
tame stone
are there any other weird minmaxes like the dance macabre backstab?
finally getting the hang of it
serene tapir
Nah... We ain't deathstalker assa
Only reason why i play sub s2
remote shuttle
We don’t do it because the 3seconds of SnD isnt a gain over doing a quicker and ...
Yo, where can i find the quicker opener? Im aware of the usual one, didn't see one wo sd first finisher
Usually ss flag evi vanish ss rup into dance
1st gcd in dance is bs, i save supercharged cp for the 2 ss following st
So i sod after bs before st
slate lantern
You just go ss flag rupture into SD, skipping the first evis and the vanjsh
meager coyote
We don’t do it because the 3seconds of SnD isnt a gain over doing a quicker and ...
okay so that was a good feedback thanks but if I'm seeing this correctly sims do the different opener?
warm marlin
Switch to nightly or latest
lilac stag
okay so that was a good feedback thanks but if I'm seeing this correctly sims do...
It’s neutral so it likely hasn’t been pushed yet. Koji usually only pushes stuff when it’s a gain.
lilac stag
Yo, where can i find the quicker opener? Im aware of the usual one, didn't see o...
the guides have it.
meager coyote
ah it's changed I think?
fallow nimbus
Yes
tidal python
hard plaza
Ikr
lilac stag
we have been for a couple weeks
hard plaza
To be fair, never could stop anyway
glass jasper
Anyone tried remnant of darkness for m+? If so, how does it perform in real life?
remote shuttle
the guides have it.
Isn't that a big loss to send ST with low attack speed? Thought that because the not normalized thingy you read about not using dagger in offhand
lilac stag
it’s literally 6 seconds of an entire encounter. It makes zero difference.
quick latch
Whats the best move when i proc coup but got like 20sec+ on dance
hazy breach
Press coup
lilac stag
sim is now pressing BP
quick latch
Ok tought we wanna use it mostly with dance
hazy breach
sim is now pressing BP
No
lilac stag
Yes
quick latch
Aaah got u thx
mighty citrus
!fuu
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lilac stag
what is "shortly" 
hazy breach
15-20
lilac stag
fair enough, seeing it at 20ish seconds which I wouldn't have called close to flag. 
gains are gains
crystal bone
are u still better off using evis in 7+ target counts if you want prio damage?
crystal bone
kk thats what i thought
glass jasper
Speaking of target count, is sectech uncapped or does it have a target cap for when it starts scaling down?
dim granite
how many crit i need how many haste, versa and mastery?
glass jasper
how many crit i need how many haste, versa and mastery?
sim but basically, no crit, no haste, all the mastery and vers in the world
Is a healthy approach to stats
lilac stag
we want crit lol
sly shore
crit is good
glass jasper
Not too much
sly shore
idk why you would think it isn't
void hound
crit is just like blow
you just want the right amount but not overdo it
glass jasper
just sim it, but dont get too much <:dead:932888396316155934>
Sure but the crit you get from set is kind of enough, atleast according to my sims. It doesn't want more
astral minnow
I over did it I crit too much noooo
lilac stag
did you crit your pants?
keen dome
oh no
@lilac stag I got Gallywix Heroic down in a pug. Bandit / Mug'zee WAY harder in pugs than he is, haha.
lilac stag
woah GZ
keen dome
Not dying in P3 / not soaking in P3.
Overall in the raid? Bandit is the most brutal fight for pugs, then Mug'zee.
GallywixH in pugs seems to just be doing either 2/6/13 or 2/8/20
Just stack healers and you never die
And then if you don't kick the cast on intermission, boss dies easily in P3
lilac stag
Sure but the crit you get from set is kind of enough, atleast according to my si...
i'm not making gearing choices off this. numerically at 661 ilvl crit is still very good
FAR FAR FAR from useless or dead
lilac stag
mmhm
broken spindle
any brother that has rogue vod of Stocken Lock MYthic?
lilac stag
It's cool how they're all good
if I wasnt a greedy goblin I'd use my crit mastery OH, I can't be arsed spending enchant mats on it when the market is buying them like crazy
keen dome
haha yeah
glass jasper
FAR FAR FAR from useless or dead
whats your crit % at?
lilac stag
glass jasper
Where do you get this sheet from? Looks neat
keen dome
Love big versa
glass jasper
23,4%c, 3%h, 68%m, 23%v. Probably why my sims hate crit
lilac stag
i should actually run consumables again
lilac stag
23,4%c, 3%h, 68%m, 23%v. Probably why my sims hate crit
and this is why we dont blindly say crit is bad
becuase its not
wild vine
Overall in the raid? Bandit is the most brutal fight for pugs, then Mug'zee.
Bandit is actually kinda fine if you share the WA with people
And have 3 dedicated people
Doing the mechanics they can
light imp
Can house of cards be macrod to sec tec since it doesn't need to be 'resolved' like transmitter?
slate lantern
Can house of cards be macrod to sec tec since it doesn't need to be 'resolved' l...
Macro to shadow blades
keen dome
Bandit is actually kinda fine if you share the WA with people
Yeah, I agree. It's the getting them to use the WA issue.
If you can hit P2 it always dies
The biggest issue is the typical pug issue of someone not listening, and then picking up a coin and doing nothing
light imp
Macro to shadow blades
Fair enough. Since don't we sectec first finisher after SB to ensure a second sectec falls within buff window
keen dome
My plan for leading Bandit is to just RW and automark the two adds I want to die each cycle, and then try to pick coins up first haha
mug'zee is basically solved from a leading perspective, but getting people to do gaols right is the challenge.
visual blaze
!fuu
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vale pine
Can house of cards be macrod to sec tec since it doesn't need to be 'resolved' l...
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.Do you cast Clones on cd outside of burst or do you keep it for dance + SoD?
I feel like I'm doing something very wrong with my cd usage outside of timing them with the fight
lilac stag
@hazy breach did you feel holding flag on cauldron was worth it? Full send and the hold look close.
hazy breach
Feel like it should be better, but ye doesnt seem much better
Like +60% dmg to your cd should be better
lilac stag
yeah I was kinda surprised
paper iron
I wanted to try
tribal blade
has anyone had the beam soak mechanic on rik reverb be stuck in place even when you move
paper iron
But eveyone trying to fit inbetween the 2 is tough
tribal blade
happened to me in raid earlier
lilac stag
Wonder if it’s just from the 4th flag getting clipped
hazy breach
I wouldve gotten r1 if i had logged myself 
Stupid sectech losing me damage because im too far away from our logger
tribal blade
just send cds on cd, and i found good success capping dance charges before going into clash
paper iron
tribal blade
so i save a dance+symbols for every clash
lilac stag
just send cds on cd, and i found good success capping dance charges before going...
Well I’m look at Mr #2 parse
Hahah
tribal blade
hey i got a 98 tonight 😉
lilac stag
I wonder if hold gets better with faster kills
lilac stag
only thing I really see is that 4th flag being poop
4:50 kill time and the hold should be better
tribal blade
I wouldve gotten r1 if i had logged myself <a:sadgesipjammies:888077500809371739...
yeah i noticed that too on cauldron, very cringe
vale pine
sad true, we all need to log ourselfes
tribal blade
shouldn't be an issue on any other boss irght
no other boss has groups split phased or that far away from each other
lilac stag
range logging locken maybe
cerulean stream
!wa
wicked joltBOT
empty cargo
Is there a wa/addon/setting or something to kick bombs with a keypress? Like in ...
I keybinded the interact button to my space bar & it made the fight ez af
tribal blade
man sub is so passively tanky
i'm looking at raid logs from tonight
i'm taking less damage than people who died early on fights
lilac stag
mmhm.
We did some 10-11s in a guild group. Did one cinder as assa just to test it since lots of trash. We missed it by 10 seconds, one unluck pull. Reran it as sub and we were 4 mins under. Boomie & BM the other two. The boss dmg is so nice to have.
tribal blade
ST dam in keys is important
iron fjord
i'm taking less damage than people who died early on fights
isn‘t that expected? Can‘t take dmg if you‘re dead 
tribal blade
not reflected on overall unfortunately
lilac stag
they cleaned up the trash, and ended up in the 2.7m range
so can’t complain
No skyfury
hazy breach
isn‘t that expected? Can‘t take dmg if you‘re dead <:pepe_nice:10446606571586232...
He is saying he is taking less damage than people who died early, despite him not dying early
lilac stag
still getting used to that.
tribal blade
He is saying he is taking less damage than people who died early, despite him no...
ty yeah
so i'm active for 100% of the fight
hazy breach
No skyfury is pain ye
tribal blade
and they're active for like 30% less
lilac stag
We knew what you meant. We speak Prophet
keen dome
I found something worse than no skyfury. A shaman who refuses to press Skyfury. 😨
tribal blade
feels like you're playing under mud
lilac stag
the pvp trinket this week is sooo nice
iron fjord
ah gotcha
queen kraken
the pvp trinket this week is sooo nice
Why this week? Earliest access?
lilac stag
affix reduces flag to 60 seconds
hazy breach
Its not really 60s, but yes it reduces flag and blades cd
iron fjord
affix reduces flag to 60 seconds
Holy fucking shit that‘s what‘s up????
lilac stag
so 90 trinkets get krangled
iron fjord
i was wondering so hard what was wrong with me
glass jasper
Yea realized today HoC is annoying in keys this week
lilac stag
Its not really 60s, but yes it reduces flag and blades cd
65ish?
glass jasper
It just ends up sitting dead half the time
lilac stag
I just noticed it was up basically every min
iron fjord
god damn
lilac stag
HoC and DM on assa was fun
iron fjord
we are the pvp spec. Get your pvp trinket
getting back into pvp is such a chore
not that i was much into it but eh
empty cargo
the pvp trinket this week is sooo nice
Does that mean trinket after this week won’t be as valuable? Idk if I need to grind the conquest to get it. Currently using an A & B class tier trinket
lilac stag
700 conquest is pve
tribal blade
it's more fun doing 12s and higher this week than 11s or under
because having HoC offset from cds is just mega pain
i had 0 fun helping guildies do 10s
lilac stag
Does that mean trinket after this week won’t be as valuable? Idk if I need to gr...
It’s a great trinket to replace transmitter. If you have HoC you likely don’t need it.
neat night
I totally forgot about the flawless form stacks... would it be why my parses aren t so great
lilac stag
i had 0 fun helping guildies do 10s
You’re missing the 60 second cd pump. 
it’s been fun
stone robin
what pvp trinket are you guys talking about
hazy breach
stone robin
aaah sick ty
glass jasper
!up
wicked joltBOT
crystal sinew
!fuu
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empty cargo
Is that for entire season as of now or is that just this week for affixes
hazy breach
has nothing to do with this week
glass jasper
Is hero-track mechano-core as good as it sims? Or is it a bait?
hazy breach
Its good
glass jasper
Guess we go delve then!
shrewd shadow
Is there any thing else that gives as much gains as leveling jeweler trinkets and our main hand? It seems all the other slots give minor % of gains vs neck giving like %5 almost per level