is it allowed to ask for help here?
#subtlety
crisp widget
tepid trellis
twilit phoenix
i've got a log right here for you 
crisp widget
no i just need some help with rogue actually
just feels like i am doing smth wrong after watching a few yt videos on it
lilac stag
sub specifically or?
leaden prairie
<:Pepelaugh:653264351494406156>
Wtf
lilac stag
this spec is very, um, not yolo learning
leaden prairie
I have that trinket
crystal bone
equip it zac 
lilac stag
i'd suggest one of the guides, method is shortest and easiest to digest
crisp widget
okok ill have a look
lilac stag
wowhead and iv go into more detail and the layout isnt as user friendly imo
the sub video's ive looked at glance over a lot
crisp widget
just seen people do insane dmg
but when i play it i do 2m on aoe pull
and 600k on singe target but ive seen people do alot more
leaden prairie
equip it zac <:CH_PepeWtfCute:978487761046740992>
I did
fair skiff
Guys is there a big increase from 2 to 4 set?
lilac stag
Eleem's is a good primer
lilac stag
are you KSing?
crystal bone
thats just rude
slender zodiac
is the jastor ring any good on sub?
lilac stag
I did a workshop as outlaw with sub gear, so like 3% haste. dmg was fine, the killing spree every 20-30 seconds oof
fair skiff
yes
leaden prairie
I did a workshop as outlaw with sub gear, so like 3% haste. dmg was fine, the k...
12 s
lilac stag
it probably was. i did a supercharged one and it felt like it was never going to end
motion sickness setting in lol
chrome palm
is the jastor ring any good on sub?
Jastor 100%
lilac stag
!guide
lilac stag
@crisp widget ^
slender zodiac
Jastor 100%
should i replace the circlet ring with it?
hazy breach
No, your other ring most likely
leaden prairie
it probably was. i did a supercharged one and it felt like it was never going t...
No I meant you press it every 12 s on average
chrome palm
Run the sim to make sure probably your other one
lilac stag
ye
chrome palm
Circlet generally will only be replaced by a good myth track ring
lilac stag
it was always up
slender zodiac
i drop down to like 12% versa if i take that
silent ruin
Is sub bottom of the pack now?
lilac stag
@leaden prairie did anyone run a sim to see the dps loss of never pressing it?
crisp widget
__**Guides:**__
- <:wowhead:1180497449362653204> [**WoWhead**](<https://www.wow...
yeh found them in faq
chrome palm
Get vers somewhere else jastor is mandatory if it’s in your vault imo
leaden prairie
<@352916297262301194> did anyone run a sim to see the dps loss of never pressing...
Ye like 15/20 % loss or smth
leaden prairie
I mean you play without hero talent basically so
lilac stag
well the crazy having that much loss of control and it being that much of the dmg profile
twilit phoenix
north heart
!tricks
wicked joltBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
earnest prairie
!wa
wicked joltBOT
ornate lake
just seen people do insane dmg
but when i play it i do 2m on aoe pull
and 600k...
How lmfaoo 😭😭😭
I do 600K when I'm out of dance and symbols and mob is about to die
What's your ilvl?
lucid jackal
have u read any guide
crisp widget
I havent play alot of sub thats why i came and asked since ive heard the class discord there would be kind people who would be willing to help
crisp widget
have u read any guide
Yes i have and watched YouTube i just learn realy badly from it havent played alot of wow either like 2 months
swift tinsel
Sub def isn't the most beginner-friendly, takes a fair bit of understanding and practice if you're just starting out
lucid jackal
Sub has like 3 things you need to learn
- You need to learn your major cooldown sequence.
- You need to learn how to use Symbols of Death and Shadow Dance
- You need to learn when you can stray from default rules (But this is more advanced and really doesnt matter unless you are progging mythic)
shut ridge
I can’t believe I’m about to use transmitter for the entirety of prog 
lucid jackal
The specs damage is absurdly loaded into flag/blades, so you need to understand the sequence I would say near perfectly
then you just need to learn simple rules about symbols/dance
swift tinsel
Yeah practice the burst window til you nail it
lucid jackal
You use symbols with every secret technique, when sectec is 10 or less seconds on cooldown
and you use dance in addition if you have it available
You stop using both when flag/blades are at 30 seconds remaining, to have enough resources to double dance with flag/blades
This is literally the entire spec, thats all
The rest is "press backstab, apply rupture, afk until next cds/microcds"
haughty mural
@lilac stag got it - thanks for your input lad
tidal copper
are there any tools, guides, or guidance, for how to look at my logs or compare them to someone else's logs and see what things I can improve upon?
lilac pendant
How much dps does the wax gives?
soft summit
!aoe
trail dawn
Does Nimble flurry behave the same way as Blade flurry?
soft summit
confused as to when i use shurikan storm vs backstab
slate lantern
are there any tools, guides, or guidance, for how to look at my logs or compare ...
can do a log review here with !log and also i find it helpful to look through different top parses on lorrgs to see when they are casting cooldowns and such
cobalt vector
confused as to when i use shurikan storm vs backstab
on 3 or more targets
twilit phoenix
are there any tools, guides, or guidance, for how to look at my logs or compare ...
yeah you can hit a !log in there, someone usually looks at it pretty quickly
slate lantern
hahaha
twilit phoenix
slate lantern
tidal copper
i did not expect that to do that
twilit phoenix
gotta play hard enough until your parses don't need any help
and then you !log just to flex
red pecan
!wa
wicked joltBOT
severe vapor
what was this big twitter command for fixing fps in big raids ?
lucid jackal
are there any tools, guides, or guidance, for how to look at my logs or compare ...
theres that website
loargs or whatever
tidal copper
lorrgs is good for seeing when people are using cooldowns and stuff
lucid jackal
Sub is pretty scripted, past like, having to sequence your CDs based on coup procs, etc, so you could just copy a lot of shit 1-1
fathom gazelle
whats our off set piece? im guessing hands?
lucid jackal
yer
severe fox
quick question why is my house of cards sometimes not synced with my shadow blades even though they are macro'd together?
lucid jackal
m+ affix
vale pine
loargs or whatever
lilac stag
<@226395155098370049> got it - thanks for your input lad
Yay! Go abuse it in m+ this week.
lilac stag
quick question why is my house of cards sometimes not synced with my shadow blad...
Use the pvp badge this week.
severe fox
Use the pvp badge this week.
why? is something wrong with house of cards
young mural
!up
wicked joltBOT
haughty mural
Yay! Go abuse it in m+ this week. <:pepe_chad:1022918986737926225>
yes
chrome palm
Might be using 4 pvp pieces on sprocket if transmitter is as bad as I hear it is
paper iron
Sub knowers, any rule with finality like it used to be the double rupture thing to snapshot or idk what what what 
hollow loom
If I understand it correctly, it's not recommended to craft a 2nd dagger, and instead go for some off slot like neck, boots, etc?
hazy breach
yes
soft summit
on 3 or more targets
So 3+ targets I shurikan storm.. do i blackpowder or eviscerate?
soft summit
thanks
lilac stag
If I understand it correctly, it's not recommended to craft a 2nd dagger, and in...
oh dagger is just a stat stick. Weapon dps from it is super minimal.
Neck or anything else better
soft summit
i thought with nimble flurry you want to backstab instead of shurikan.. was that ever a thing?
cobalt vector
u always shadowstrike over shuriken. but backstab does so little dmg the cp is worth more out of cds
soft summit
k thanks
swift tinsel
You still storm with 2nd charge of rotten at 7+ in dance though
hollow spear
Sub knowers, any rule with finality like it used to be the double rupture thing ...
Second this, but feelycraft says we don't care
cobalt vector
Ooh ye to apply fw.
swift tinsel
strike - sectech - storm - bp - strike - bp etc etc
cobalt vector
isnt it backstab -> sectech -> storm -> ...
shrewd wren
do we use shuriken storm to spread fw below 7 targets?
thorny rivet
What’s that thing where you hold onto a coup and BP until CDs up? Is it like 20 seconds on CD for flag/blade?
cobalt vector
do we use shuriken storm to spread fw below 7 targets?
u dont need fw if ur evising
only need it on ur primary target
cobalt vector
Ye its for the bp that we need to spread fw
swift tinsel
isnt it backstab -> sectech -> storm -> ...
p sure its still just strike in aoe
paper helm
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
jaunty heath
the 2nd hit of secret tech always did less damage than the 3rd?
swift tinsel
the 2nd hit of secret tech always did less damage than the 3rd?
how much less?
and do you have s2 4pc
jaunty heath
the half of the 3rd and yea 4pc
swift tinsel
the bug must still exist then
sometimes the clones from sectech can independently drop the tier bonus stacks and do less shadow damage than intended, was a known bug on ptr
paper iron
swift tinsel
might have to look into that again after work, was under the assumption it was fixed
jaunty heath
sometimes i see i hit for 4m the 2nd and 7m the 3rd
swift tinsel
it was quite rare having the clones do different damage from each other but was def a thing
Do you have a log by chance
lost kite
In general are you supposed to fit 2 secret tech inside of 1 charge of shadow dance? I’m always ending my shadow dance with 2-4 secs cd on secret tech
limber folio
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bXPTx4avQc6V1Cdy?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=13 can someone tell me why im so ass, im just a sub visitor trying out - simming 2,1 but idk maybe im doing everything wrong
paper iron
In general are you supposed to fit 2 secret tech inside of 1 charge of shadow da...
not at all, see it like 1 dance = 1 sod = 1 sectech
slate lantern
In general are you supposed to fit 2 secret tech inside of 1 charge of shadow da...
no, in one shadow blades you do both sectecs, you cast the second shadow dance right after the first one ends to have it up for the whole SB (or most) of the window
sick mulch
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
hardy snow
clones are real. they even sometimes do healing on themselves
lost kite
not at all, see it like 1 dance = 1 sod = 1 sectech
Gotcha obviously the sod Is used almost exactly same time as shadow dance then
paper iron
not really always
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
lost kite
Thought you always used your sod and shadow dance with secret tech
paper iron
because of this, u want always to have your sectech supercharged, so, with following the dance and all that stuff, you want sectech to be one of the 2 finishers following symbol
lost kite
For supercharger
paper iron
Thought you always used your sod and shadow dance with secret tech
you do use them together, but you dont always cast them at the same time, if that makes sens
lost kite
Yeah generally I sod just before I enter shadow dance and secret tech first
paper iron
like here u can see, it delayed symbol because sectech was not ready (this is a sample from the 2nd dance during CDs
that s why we dont recommand to macro symbol and dance together, this kind of macro is a legacy from the past
lucid jackal
In general are you supposed to fit 2 secret tech inside of 1 charge of shadow da...
Just 1
lost kite
But why evis before secret tech
lucid jackal
Because it's not up yet
paper iron
You can assume it wasnt ready by then, it pressed symbol when sectech was 10s off of cd to get it back
and this is something that happens a lot during your 2nd dance during CDs (and almost only there exceptions made), that s why you want always to sod in dance, yes, but you dont want to always cast them at the same time
distant plinth
During dance, is it not worth to use shustorm to get a dance macabre stack?
lucid jackal
Not unless u plan on pressing bp
cinder axle
I am done with transmitter i just farm the gladiators badge cause this trinket is just cancer to play xD
sudden breach
does storm have a target cap?
lucid jackal
Read the tool tip it should say when spells are hard or soft capped
worthy ginkgo
how important are trinkets to our dmg
worthy ginkgo
i’m a season 2 enjoyer with no trinkets outside of delves
sudden breach
buy the pvp one
worthy ginkgo
i was about to ask what you guys would recommend i do
limpid sage
only need it on ur primary target
Is nimble flurry fixed dmg based on what you hit your main target for?
paper iron
pvp trinket is a sure thing you can get with a bit of farming
lucid jackal
i was about to ask what you guys would recommend i do
PvP and get badge
worthy ginkgo
i appreciate the advice
keen dome
Love to see the BIG BURST
keen dome
I deserve a buff from raid leading pugs. +10% damage at all times for herding cats.
paper iron
actually
raid leading is most likely a -10% damage at all time for herding cats. Bigger cats, bigger the dps loss is
keen dome
Haha, yep
Esp doing it all via text. I tried to lead Mythic Vexie tonight and I am forever impressed at the efforts people go to just ignore all instruction
paper iron
also still playing rotten when finality is probably 0.3% ahead, trolling fr fr
sly shore
so real
alpine wraith
imagine not subscribing to big eviscerate
keen dome
I only care for big SecTec
night sparrow
Hello ! Here's my 10mn+ dummy dmg, second one is 10mn sim and the SecTec/Evis ratio is really off. Am I the only one or sub sims are just kinda fucked ?
ancient kraken
as a newer sub rog i find it confusing on when to use shur storm and black powder. any tips?
small hemlock
is there a way to sim the priory trinket with 5 users
mighty citrus
team how do i sim different flasks?
hazy breach
Hello ! Here's my 10mn+ dummy dmg, second one is 10mn sim and the SecTec/Evis ra...
Its not though
18.7% and 23.8% instead of 18.9% and 24.5% is not "way off"
small hemlock
i wanna try and sim it with the transmitter on pull
then the priory trink 30s after
in a group with 5 users
hazy breach
You can set your details to combine your eviscerate damage in the settings if you want to
small hemlock
big engi wrists
which
weary crag
small hemlock
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
paper iron
dw, last season my guild got 0 trasnmitter hc / 1 transmitter mythic, and i didnt get it
but it meant i got prio on first hoc hero this season so i m set since 2nd day of the season 
dark mica
rotational question but - outside of opening am i hoping to have 2 shadow dances in my flag window ? or just sending it
wispy jasper
as a newer sub rog i find it confusing on when to use shur storm and black powde...
Did you get a response to this?
paper iron
rotational question but - outside of opening am i hoping to have 2 shadow dances...
always have 2 shadow dances and 2 symbols for big cds
dark mica
roger TY
paper iron
which means having 1 charge + 35ish seconds left on 2nd charge of dance, and 2 symbols ready when pressing flag
dark mica
i was not doing the symobl piece, and that second earmark was exactly what i was looking for much appreciated
seconds*
spice matrix
I got mythic transmitter so I’m never getting hoc
I feel you bro
paper iron
Did you get a response to this?
u only press storm if u gonna also press bp, so 7+ targets. It is meant to apply FW and extends bp damage higher. It s not meant to had a macabre stack, we dont really play arround it
spice matrix
When are we getting our Dinars
left ledge
In April apparently
paper iron
When are we getting our Dinars
.5 patch, how? We dont know
left ledge
Isn’t that when .5 drops
left ledge
Jump three times goated
spice matrix
left ledge
Orb going outside the map though…
spice matrix
sub kinda good on that fight tho
paper iron
jump three times more like jump 20 times before realising u dont have to press spacebar anymore
spice matrix
jump three times more like jump 20 times before realising u dont have to press s...
sometimes for me it's.. jump twice, forget you hit space bar between your 2nd jump then jump late
weak hamlet
guys i have question about supercharger
is it like max combo points + 3 or current combo points + 3
paper iron
current +3
weak hamlet
fk
paper iron
IE if u have 6cp, it acts like a 9cp
weak hamlet
the whole time i was using it as if it was max combo points + 3 T_T
finishing at 1 suprcharged combo points,etc
paper iron
i might have missunderstood what u asked but if it s a thing : it goes past the 7cp limit, if u are at 7cp, it will act like a 10cp
paper iron
the whole time i was using it as if it was max combo points + 3 T_T
ahah, happens, tooltips are sometimes tough to get right
weak hamlet
so the finishing logic (# of combo points) doesnt change it all after pressing SoD correct?
paper iron
u still finish at 6+cp yes, supercharger is a "bonus", u dont finish at 3cp because supercharger makes it 6
weak hamlet
aight appreciate you mate
paper iron
raid time
upper rock
so what exactly do we do outside of shadowblades? i feel like i dont do any dmg at all
keen dome
!design
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
keen dome
Basically this
thick temple
so what exactly do we do outside of shadowblades? i feel like i dont do any dmg ...
boss mechs
upper rock
i mean m+ wise ^^
thick temple
depending on if theres key targets you can reapply ruptures or farm some evis's so that you can save coup de grace for next sod/dance proc
fathom gazelle
!log
cinder axle
anyone knows how i can get my 662 PvP iLvl fast so i can que? xD
never played that shit but I need the trinket
alpine wraith
no idea what you talking about
what pvp ilvl
if you need conquest you can just do crates
cinder axle
U need 662 iLvl to enter pvp
alpine wraith
you dont unless you want to do ranked
cinder axle
y ranked beqause of the bonus u get for wining once^^
alpine wraith
and why would you if you dont play pvp that is a recipe for misery
you are just going to lose
crates or daily epic bg getting the quests for epics etc
cinder axle
if you need conquest you can just do crates
what are crates?
alpine wraith
is way better if you are a pve player
every x minutes crates drop from the sky in wm on
cinder axle
ah ok ty^^
alpine wraith
you can find groups farming them
jaunty heath
Man i didnt know you gotta take a quest for the 3% buff
did half the run without it
thats a feelsbadman
hexed dagger
feel like Im gonna use my next spark on boots. no chance im getting those BOEs
lusty narwhal
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tropic nimbus
Swing over to raidbots
gilded garden
Should you macro the PvP agi trinket to Shadowblades or flagellation?
limpid sage
Shadowblades because that’s when your actual dmg typically begins
Flag has ~2 gcds of ramp at the very least
gilded garden
kk thanks
warped ferry
I am regretting not picking transmitter when it came up as an option in my vault
vale pine
Is it worth going 2p 2p
usually not
hoary lotus
I am regretting not picking transmitter when it came up as an option in my vault
Why transmitter is beans
warped ferry
Maybe, but I’m feeling it now with this skardyns.
cloud kestrel
Even then people using PvP trinket in M+ rn due to affix throwing the timing off
gilded garden
Should you use the PVP trinket on CD or always with SB
swift tinsel
with Blades
twilit phoenix
@alpine wraith can I get a link to your spreadsheet
twilit phoenix
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871444928906018906/1352013679423651871/im...
house of cards ez pick
gz
alpine wraith
it is on the profile
twilit phoenix
it is on the profile
what does that mean
faint bay
does anyone have aWA to track winning streak ?
halcyon coral
should be on wago
wago has a very bad search API
so use Google and type "winning streak W eak Aura"
and itll come up better
faint bay
aight ty ty
slate marlin
is it worth tracking after they nerfed it?
swift tinsel
not really imo
sonic hamlet
i thought that jastor band would be a big upgrade but its simming lower then choosing myth legs and turning them into tier
void coral
What poisons should I be using for Sub PVP
void coral
ty
void hound
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
sick jackal
was zee thugs hotline bait in sims for sub?
it showed better than eye of kezan in bloodmallet
lucid jackal
It's a good trinket
hoary lotus
No one logs +8s or keys in general.. key parse is irrelevant as a metric.
Damage seems normal
warped ferry
Damn, hoed his ass
vague flame
anyone cleared underpin ?? and how lmao
i've gotten him down to 60% or so
but i've legit had attempts where i walk in and die to melee in 3 seconds
lean cradle
hey all, question, is it worth to track danse macabre when we go insta into ST?
vague flame
Have you tried playing outlaw
i dont have weapons for outlaw
hazy breach
hey all, question, is it worth to track danse macabre when we go insta into ST?
It doesnt impact your decisionmaking, so not really
lean cradle
okay, that what i thought just wanted to make things clear, ty
vague flame
like ???
bleak night
what ilvl are you
vague flame
650
bleak night
maybe a little low
at 660 the only way i die is by not doing adds
entire fight is just do adds
break shield
repeat
honest saddle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871444928906018906/1352013679423651871/im...
This gamma is LIT
autumn flame
yo guys is trickster fazed parry immune raid wide?
vague flame
maybe a little low
did u clear it at 660?
bleak night
no but its because im bad
hazy breach
yo guys is trickster fazed parry immune raid wide?
Yes
vague flame
still this fight feels so bad unlike zekvir
and i did zekvir at a comparable ilvl in s1
alpine wraith
as sub the bioprint things tank
vague flame
maybe should just whip out the blood dk
vague flame
dances on adds?
alpine wraith
and boss will eventually die
vague flame
dont u just footbomb them
alpine wraith
then idk
vague flame
with the bombs
maybe should just reroll prot pala and cheese it
yeah i keep doing attempts and same thing underpin just smacks me 3 times and i die
despite taking almost no damage from other mechanics
narrow night
sry for necroing but i had the same issue and i just have to much crit bc of the pvp trinket
candid lichen
but there's no way we're losing around 90k dps due to too much crit
narrow night
ye i was confused too but ye
narrow night
when i sim it with house of cards it sims ok again
candid lichen
ye same with transmitter
molten citrus
sry for necroing but i had the same issue and i just have to much crit bc of the...
Try simming it on Latest/Nightly
Pacemaker was borked in sims and was recently fixed afaik
If you had it in slot 1 it would sim like an on use trinket for some reason
candid lichen
or the crit really is -100k dps
looks like it is indeed fixed by simming it in a different slot
alpine wraith
@tepid trellis think im free from transmitter prison
tepid trellis
<@83652604344664064> think im free from transmitter prison
same
alpine wraith
GOD DAMN GZ
if you though sproket was bad wait until one armed for transmitter holy
i have one friend that is suffering
on his dk
sick jackal
big gz bois one day ill be free aswell
alpine wraith
we are free now at least
molten citrus
i think the pvp trinket fucks the sim
pvp trinket sims correctly
narrow night
then its feelcraft time baby
molten citrus
naw
narrow night
😦
molten citrus
just swap the slot pacemaker is in
molten citrus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hEKbo4nmxKaB8mjn4hxFM6
like he did
i guess pacemaker is still borked even in Nightly
alpine wraith
yea the condition to unkrangle it was not pushed yet
ANOTHA ONE
cant believe i didnt get any in like 40000 pilfers
and now less than 10k already got 2
west tide
wait so the crit trinket is bad?
haughty mural
finally not a grey bandit log
fallen fable
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
haughty mural
deserved my hoc
west tide
cant even do my rotation proper when we do 30man heroics its so laggy
my combo points dont show in time
deep estuary
Eye of kezan really bad in m+ right?
deep estuary
Yeah so pretty bad cause its too reliant on that. And you definitely won't always chain pull
And as rogue we want the stealth anyways lol
hidden oar
with first dance if it is possible to fit second ST in one dance do we use SoD before second ST to supercharge it?
or is it more like one SoD per SD and it second ST fits in one dance we dont use SoD to supercharge the second ST?
alpine wraith
dont do that it is not worth
you want the second dance to have more DM stacks anyway
worn ivy
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
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rocky wolf
with first dance if it is possible to fit second ST in one dance do we use SoD b...
TFD usually lets me just do the full dance directly into a SD+SoD+ Sectech
like the first dance ends just as SoD ends basically
keen dome
AotC in pugs done week 3. Slowest in a while, still done. Gallywix is such a fun fight.
haughty mural
gratz buddy
vocal crypt
Is it important to get into stealth in m+ or is a tank who always chainpulls fine ?
keen dome
gratz buddy
worthy ginkgo
when do you vanish these days
hallow yacht
Hello. Can anyone with a decent understanding of Sub message me so I can ask some specific questions. I have watched several guides on YouTube and read several guides and still feel confused on when to use what, how, and just general themes I don't understand.
hoary lotus
Do I delay coup until fazed in st
hazy breach
You never coup without fazed up
keen dome
Hello. Can anyone with a decent understanding of Sub message me so I can ask som...
Just ask here, ye. There's no bad questions. People'll def be happy to help 🙂
hallow yacht
So, when it comes to using Secret Technique. From my understanding, for optimal damage, you want it when Flag is near the end of its timer when it has accumulated the most stacks, right?
So, it's something like.. Shadow Dance, use a ST without CB. Then once its ST is off CD, dance again and use it as your second finisher with Cold Blood.
But only when Danse Mac has 4 stacks?
lucid jackal
Sounds like ur thinking about it the wrong way
hallow yacht
I am probably overthinking it. I had a good understanding of Outlaw/Sin.
lucid jackal
It's just "You use 2 shd/sod/sectec with flag/blades"
and yeah, you cold blood the 2nd one
hallow yacht
And also, SS with BP with 7+ targets, unless you have the AoE ability?
When theres a ton of trash present (think all the adds pulled in Mechagon before first boss), is it just spam SS and BP? Is that it?
lucid jackal
In dance, strike always, storm once to apply FW on 7 targets if you intend to black powder as ur finisher
Outside of dance, always storm on 2 or more targets
hoary lotus
2?
lucid jackal
yer
limpid sage
It's just "You use 2 shd/sod/sectec with flag/blades"
I think he’s trying to understand the logic as of why that’s the case though
hoary lotus
In aoe 7+ do I send coup still or spam bp
lucid jackal
Cuz flag and blades = infinite damage cheat
hazy breach
In aoe 7+ do I send coup still or spam bp
Coup
limpid sage
Like the cold blood 2nd sectec
hallow yacht
I guess my issue here is just general confusion. When I pop all my CDs and pop dance, I am just spamming Shadowstrike to fill combo points, evic, SecTec as 2nd finishing and then Shadowstrike again and continuing to Evic
And obviously using CB if it's up
hazy breach
Sectech first finisher
hoary lotus
Sectec should be first
lucid jackal
in cds sectec has to be ur first finisher
maiden hamlet
Backstab first builder
lucid jackal
Otherwise you miss trinket buff
hallow yacht
Backstab first builder
Why BS instead of SS?
hoary lotus
Danse mac stacks
maiden hamlet
Dance macabre
hallow yacht
Otherwise you miss trinket buff
Which trinket? I have Seaforuum and Signet
vale pine
In aoe 7+ do I send coup still or spam bp
tl;dr:
you coup if its up
you secret during dance
you bp else
lucid jackal
Yeah you need a 1:30 or less trinket
versed swift
We finish at 6 cp right? I'm finding my SS regularly puts me at 5 and I have to use again or send short
lucid jackal
the spec is honestly not worth playing if you want to do damage without either the pvp trinket, or a house of cards, preferably
hallow yacht
I saw some video where some guy was doing like 7m AoE DPS. I Am lucky to break 4m, and even when I do, I'm scratching my head as to how.
arctic geyser
pvp trinket better than a 616 transmitter?
keen dome
Practice'll help.
lucid jackal
pvp trinket better than a 616 transmitter?
way
keen dome
pvp trinket better than a 616 transmitter?
100%, esp mentally
No orb to go down the hole
arctic geyser
woohoo thats good news i hate transmitter
arctic geyser
time to grind some conquest
lucid jackal
@hallow yacht
hallow yacht
So, when there's lot of trash, what should my general finishing be? BP always?
arctic geyser
im guessing you use the pvp trinket only every 1.5min?
keen dome
im guessing you use the pvp trinket only every 1.5min?
Pretty much
lucid jackal
Yep macro to blades
hazy breach
Yes, macro it to blades
arctic geyser
sweet ty
keen dome
Pretend it's 1:30 instead of 1:00. And what they said
lucid jackal
So, when there's lot of trash, what should my general finishing be? BP always?
evis on 6 or less, bp on 7 or more if u want aoe damage
Evis on 15 targets can still be correct
its just less damage
hallow yacht
So for single target .. Dance, Sympbols, backstab, CB, Sectec. Then just shadowstrike evic until everyhting is up again?
hoary lotus
Should I hold sod/sectec for dance?
lucid jackal
So for single target .. Dance, Sympbols, backstab, CB, Sectec. Then just shadows...
nop
maiden hamlet
CB is saved for 2nd sectec during cooldowns
arctic geyser
is it really a major difference to keep for 2nd?
maiden hamlet
Yea
lucid jackal
its like 1%? or 2%
hallow yacht
But use sectec as the first when stuff is on CD?
maiden hamlet
Around that
hazy breach
Yes
maiden hamlet
Correct
lucid jackal
If you send it the literal second it comes off cd, yes
hallow yacht
So, once flag and blades are popped, dance, SoD, SS > Evic > Backstab > CB > SecTec?
lucid jackal
If you are even half a second late, and you intend to send your CDs RIGHT as they come up, no
Dont bother
lucid jackal
So, once flag and blades are popped, dance, SoD, SS > Evic > Backstab > CB > Sec...
no
You dont cold blood until your SECOND secret technique
lucid jackal
Baring having to make value judgements your shadow technique procs whether you cast Shadowstrike vs evis, this is how your opening sequence looks basically every single pull
keen dome
Sub's always really strong in the raid, imo. But it's only worth playing it if you enjoy it, rather than just because it's 'strong'
maiden hamlet
Prepull symbols -> strike -> flag -> rupture -> dance/symbols-> Bs -> trinket/pot/Blades-> sectec -> strike/evis spam based on refunds
hallow yacht
You dont cold blood until your SECOND secret technique
So, looks like you have a 24s window for flag. So, use CB SecTec on your second use of dance then when sectec comes off CD again?
untold flare
is Deahstalker viable in m+?
lucid jackal
So, looks like you have a 24s window for flag. So, use CB SecTec on your second ...
correct
lucid jackal
is Deahstalker viable in m+?
Worse, and clunkier
maiden hamlet
Dance again once it drops, but hold symbols until you use sectec/cb for supercharger
lucid jackal
sub is a very easy spec that people overthink
Look what I'm doing for half of the fight
keen dome
Complex rules. Weird logic. But not actually difficult. Just learning curve.
keen dome
Look what I'm doing for half of the fight
A rupture, as a treat.
lucid jackal
sub has 0 complex rules rn
THeres no dust
Theres no horseshit tier holding whatever else
Trickster gives u all the qol u need and the spec just functions
keen dome
It does have some complexities like the min/max on SecTec, the backstab, etc. It's constantly confusing or catching people out.
So I don't agree that it has zero complex rules.
lucid jackal
I personally wouldnt call "pressing backstab" a complex rule
keen dome
Also having to learn that, unlike most specs / classes, you can't just hit stuff on cooldown.
lucid jackal
It's just learning the shadow dance sequence
worthy relic
only important thing is to make sure u will have 2 dances and sod for flag
full wyvern
Honestly, this may be unpopular, but if you use Hekili it basically tells you your CD sequence perfectly. Everything outside of that is kinda bad
Then once you get the muscle memory you can turn it off
verbal turret
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
karmic harbor
what are you guys crafting second?
keen dome
The item that simmed best, which for me, was a neck
strange saddle
Then once you get the muscle memory you can turn it off
unpopular question but: What does Hekili get wrong for non-CD sequence stuff?
karmic harbor
whatever u want
is there a way to sim embelishments on raidbot? rn the neck sims highest for me without any
full wyvern
unpopular question but: What does Hekili get wrong for non-CD sequence stuff?
It’ll suggest to like spam symbols back to back for some reason
steel zinc
<@297752357012242433>
Pin this
lucid jackal
is there a way to sim embelishments on raidbot? rn the neck sims highest for me ...
top gear
hazy breach
is there a way to sim embelishments on raidbot? rn the neck sims highest for me ...
Yes, press the "+" in topgear
lucid jackal
bleak night
So I don't agree that it has zero complex rules.
I wouldn’t use the word complex, more just unintuitive
wicked urchin
I crafted neck because I'm more likely to see upgrades in other slots in vault
And it was basically the best upgrade anyway
keen dome
I wouldn’t use the word complex, more just unintuitive
Sure, that's fair. My point is that it isn't easy to pick-up-and-play and has stuff you've gotta learn
bleak night
Yeah I agree with the main point
keen dome
It's also going to be subjective, too.
wet token
How much of a DPS loss would it be to macro Flag & Shadow Blades together? Is it a big big gain to flag before first rupture and then blades after first dance?
lucid jackal
How much of a DPS loss would it be to macro Flag & Shadow Blades together? Is it...
a bunch
alpine wraith
now min maxing for specific fights with variable timers
that is when it gets hard
that is why lots of people struggle with sub in m+
because every dungeon is a world
every pull is anotyer
wicked urchin
I'm cringe and macrod Blades + Sectech
alpine wraith
someone dies pull takes longer
wicked urchin
on a different bind obviously
keen dome
Getting comfy with the timings at each key level, too, haha. And as people get better gear. It's funny.
maiden hamlet
I'm cringe and macrod Blades + Sectech
I did this
hallow yacht
I have a generic WA question. How do I see all of my weakauras at once so I can move them around without overlapping other ones. When I pull up the WA menu, it only lets me move one at a time.
lucid jackal
ty. is the specific aim to have blades still up for the second SecTec?
Yeah its just to maximize the value of blades
If you use it with flag ur wasting like, 4 globals
alpine wraith
now that blades works with sec tech is even more important
the second sec tech hits like mike tyson
wet token
ty folks, big help. i will go and amend my foolish macro ways.
signal heath
mannn i thought i bookmarked it... whats the website where you can see where all the top pumpers are using cooliessss
signal heath
thats the one!
bookmarking haha
is there a way to change from heroic and mythic fight timers?
maiden hamlet
Click on the M at the top
alpine wraith
thin sinew
bookmarking haha
or have you
alpine wraith
think an image helps more
signal heath
ahhh thank you!
alpine wraith
im actually sad im not even on rik
signal heath
and wait i see you can copy the string... can you input it into wow lmao?
alpine wraith
because i got dagger from vault
steel zinc
now min maxing for specific fights with variable timers
Last 2 is random starting with p2. Especially gally
alpine wraith
gally is kinda fixed a bit
only thing that would change things a lot is if you take too long on mega coils
full wyvern
Pop CDs on pull then hold until right before ads basically on gally
alpine wraith
mug zee is just rude tho sometimes
you actually want to begin popping cds when 3 or 4 secs are left on adds
to get the first sec tech on their ass
just as they get gripped
you can just feint the aoe from the adds
and get on top of the dk
ready to fire
cunning turret
steel zinc
gally is kinda fixed a bit
No not really. Did a shift boosting it and timeres are so different. After start of p2 it's really random, because of the when u kick the boss
Tbf these last two are more fun then court or queen
dawn hinge
but i've legit had attempts where i walk in and die to melee in 3 seconds
pop evasion for first burst opener, then after that you'll learn his spell sequence and kite out the meleeing part, or pop a pot/bran potions (if he's even alive, not sure now with buffs to his survivability). never dps the adds, move the boss in circular motion so they mostly spawn in the same spot where you can do 3 bombs and kill them. you pretty much have a few burst windows for the whole fight, you do almost 20% of his hp in each, and they naturally happen during ability downtime. when you do last shield (those are at least easy as sub), just focus the boss and ignore the adds, they also tend to run out of non-bugged spawn spots so they spawn in the stands and you can't see their frontal markers, so just move around and kill
very cancer fight as sub, i've had a 7 min 6% wipe, and then because of bad spawns a 10m kill, which was some of the best gaming i've ever done
dawn hinge
i did it at 653 or something with new 4set, but damage seemed the same as when i was 640 with old one. extra stamina does help with some leeway
vague flame
fairo
dawn hinge
in a perfect attempt, you can probably kill it faster than most specs, but that's with some really good rng
paper iron
@tepid trellis and that s not even barrel padding lmao, were the worst possible spread spawns 
did only 199m on barrels
alpine wraith
also getting rank 4 bioprint and rank 4 mechasaurs is big
tepid trellis
<@83652604344664064> <:happy_holiday_pepe:908087276544876574> and that s not eve...
should try and hit em more
skill issue
my rank 1 had horrible spawns as well
dawn hinge
also getting rank 4 bioprint and rank 4 mechasaurs is big
that might be the play, lvl 1 curios felt like they don't exist
paper iron
oh underpin ?? tier? I ve done it earlier with my shitty brann lvl 36 and grey spells. Heal brann is really mandatory, the fight is long but i found out i would just press flag on cd, and the rest of the time just focus on my football abilities. Spedning a dance only when he use his shield. Not the fastest at all but worked out for me. Also after a fail attempt, go out and reset it. Or else you might get weird robots spawns that makes no sens and make it way harder than needed (also bind interraction, op)
big proud of myself on that one, was not a stat check like zevkir or whatever his name 😒
paper iron
should try and hit em more
i really tried to position myself the best and all, but since my guild decided to pump on them anyway, i didnt want to lose too much boss damage and make the fight randomely longer 
And yea i asked sometimes my tank to move the boss just a little bit but they stand their ground i guess
keen dome
big proud of myself on that one, was not a stat check like zevkir or whatever hi...
Hell yeah, that rules
paper iron
i'm da real deal 
fallen fable
hey , how on the same fight the other rogue have 60M+ on the cleave talent rafal
its an passif , how he can x2
i have less hits , but its passif ??
paper iron
intresting
fallen fable
is it cleaving around the target , so i have to focus add to get more hit
or around me ?
lucid jackal
That'll do it
paper iron
it cleaves arround you
Like blade flurry if you re familiar with it
since you have more hit and more average damage per hit, i m guessing you mostly hit an immune thing
but on gally 🤔
proper latch
I hate shadowcraft proc during coup
paper iron
oh yea i ve mixed up stuff, you re 210ish hits behind
paper iron
I hate shadowcraft proc during coup
yea it s kinda clunky but u get use it eventually, checking your sht count while the animation goes on or something
formal pollen
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
proper latch
yea it s kinda clunky but u get use it eventually, checking your sht count while...
The thing is WA does not even make a sound
paper iron
never paid attention to that 🤔
oak grotto
Should I just send this to max myth instead of rolling with hero ring from ToP?
oak grotto
Should I just send this to max myth instead of rolling with hero ring from ToP?
This is 665 vs 678, where the ToP ring performs better, but I also reckon there to be a lot of stamina difference which I guess is nice to have
worn ivy
how big is dance-backstab-symbols
quaint lodge
.5
final holly
Is the PvP trinket not being simmed correctly
Or is it truly slightly worse than heroic transmitter
molten citrus
Or is it truly slightly worse than heroic transmitter
its very slightly worse
when fully upgraded
it should be almost equal, but can depend on your gear too i guess
final holly
Tbh I don't care anymore, I'm at the point where if my ball floats off into a bunch of aoes and I lose all of my burst again I'm in danger of uninstalling. I will take that slight loss
alpine wraith
depends on gear for me it is only 0.6% worse than fully upgraded mythic transmitter
paper iron
We had the worst phase timing on vexxie i wasnt ready, it s fun to watch
first phase i ve cd i go boomboomboom
second phase i m dried i do auto attacks
molten citrus
Tbh I don't care anymore, I'm at the point where if my ball floats off into a bu...
yeah that seems to be a common trend among heroic transmitter users
west tide
guys i cant ever do shadowdance backstab cause im always at full cp and i go like shadow symbols evis refill and then i have to do my cb sectech 
i must be doin somethin wrong..
alpine wraith
with enough gear even mythic can be replaced
twilit phoenix
It just has to be first generator in dance
west tide
i have been doing it after the sec tech cb i think it lands before the last hit
twilit phoenix
If you start a dance at full cp just send ur finisher and then backstab
You’ll still have premed
paper iron
just need to be on premed, even if that s your 4th gcd in dance which would be weird but w/e
lilac stag
Or is it truly slightly worse than heroic transmitter
It’s not worse. Transmitter sims with 100% perfect execution (activated with Sectech). It’s highly unlikely you’re consistently hitting that mark. Use the badge. The badge is also best trinket for keys with this weeks affix bringing our CDs down to 1 min
shell willow
@alpine wraith hey can you link your sim? I want to check something out. Idk how people are simming for 2mil and I'm barely breaking 1.8
twilit phoenix
Hacha is built diff
alpine wraith
i was just looking if i coudl replace transmitter after a bit of gear changes
and turns out i can
shell willow
Lol my sims dont make sense
alpine wraith
pacemaker and signet have known issues on sims
shell willow
HAHAHAHA
alpine wraith
fallow nimbus
hazy breach
On latest it should be fine
shell willow
Lol im big tripping
alpine wraith
my maaan
vestal escarp
rat
severe void
Fairly new to rogue, ive seen a few ways to go about the opener now im confused what the "right" one is. My friend told me i should eviscerate first before rupture and CDs and ive seen people pressing SnD after Flagellation.
tepid trellis
you can skip the vanish in the opener and just do, Strike-Flag-Rupture-Dance-backstab-sectech-strike-Evis
its neutral
and dont matter anymore
lucid jackal
delaying your cds like 3 globals matters on a few fights so
warped ferry
Whats the fastest way to farm conquest for my trink? As a pve player
lucid jackal
Do 2s
tepid trellis
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g9TaMAFYC6iNnJ1LVCjzSC
you are same ilvl as me
skill issue
icy mulch
Whats the fastest way to farm conquest for my trink? As a pve player
War supply crates in a raid group if you don’t want to actually pvp
severe void
you can skip the vanish in the opener and just do, Strike-Flag-Rupture-Dance-bac...
Thank you!
lucid jackal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qRkRrX1jVGSkcfsSutovP3 This is all I can get this week
Unless dagger/house of cards drops from oab
tepid trellis
yet to do my mythic reclear
warped ferry
War supply crates in a raid group if you don’t want to actually pvp
There a name for what these groups are called in queue?
west tide
you can skip the vanish in the opener and just do, Strike-Flag-Rupture-Dance-bac...
when symbols 
lucid jackal
yet to do my mythic reclear
0 items this entire week 
icy mulch
There a name for what these groups are called in queue?
I found it just called war supply crate in custom
Took a while to find a group
tepid trellis
0 items this entire week <:YouActualDumbPieceOfShitFuckYou:1331351020114149387>
got HoC from HC
so atleast thats something
warm marlin
there a symbols prepull weakaura already
west tide
skip we can use the pvp trinket its just -20k 
wait i can put on shadow focus for more damage
alpine wraith
it is only -14k for me and i dont always play it perfect
lucid jackal
tepid trellis
it was very nice
drifting fable
naw im just using transmitter until i get house
alpine wraith
my guild did a clown act
didnt go hc to go stix
then proceeded to wipe 2 or 3 times to enrage or last bombs
it was very close at least
drifting fable
we had 3 drop today
severe void
About AOE situations, when do i use shuriken in stead of shadowstrike?
west tide
wait outside of cds is sectech second finisher still or does that not matter
lucid jackal
About AOE situations, when do i use shuriken in stead of shadowstrike?
in dance, 7 or more targets if you intend to black powder
outside of dance, on 2 or more targets
lucid jackal
Is there any way rotten > finality on ST
like do I constantly need to check this
or is finality always better
alpine wraith
depends on gear
so yes have to check but also diff is not that big
for most it is lik e0.4
sly shore
Yep
lucid jackal
depends on gear
What gear
sly shore
That your combination of equipped gear is better
alpine wraith
there is no like breakpoint or whatever
some people have more or less mastery or more vers it still sims more or less
i though transmitter affected it but it also is better with pvp trink
and for people with HoC
sly shore
I think it's just loads of mastery loads of vets
Vers
Combined
Mean finality good
lucid jackal
some people have more or less mastery or more vers it still sims more or less
Which stat dictates finality vs rotten
small juniper
probably haste
solemn creek
limber folio
@tepid trellis can you tell me how bad my first try at just doing a sprocket kill as sub was https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gdB4J7TDKqWQMXhv?fight=15&type=damage-done
hazy breach
+865 
small juniper
gl getting it over other ppl
hazy breach
Im loving transmitter on sprocketmocket
hazy breach
I dont have
hazy breach
Its like -1.5%
sly shore
idle plinth
I’m having some issues with cd management. Do you use clone outside of SD? And do you SD outside of burst phases with Flag + SB? Also should I stop using SoD to pool energy and do a mini dance?
hazy breach
Seems really awful, even if i miss an orb per fight its still worth
alpine wraith
yea im farming pvp
final holly
Ain't no way even losing 1 orb is worth less than 1.5%
lucid jackal
It didnt feel that bd on sprocket tbh
lucid jackal
I think I fucked up 1 mitter in 80 some odd pulls
hazy breach
Some of them are bad ye
hazy breach
Ain't no way even losing 1 orb is worth less than 1.5%
The trinket is worth like 9% total
And thats 4½ uses
So guess its like 2%, on average
icy void
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
patent crystal
Is sectech not showing up as your dmg a thing they can fix on cauldron of carnage, or is it just be same side as the guy loggin?
midnight geyser
!wa
wicked joltBOT
hazy breach
Is sectech not showing up as your dmg a thing they can fix on cauldron of carnag...
Dont be 100 yards away from the logger 
wide kernel
New to m+ and sub rogue here, I've been on trickster for a minute now and am curious about deathstalker in m+ are there any specific reasons to bring it?
lucid jackal
nop
wide kernel
The guide says it's better for larger packs and during tyrannical week wouldn't the single target kind of shine?
vague flame
oh underpin ?? tier? I ve done it earlier with my shitty brann lvl 36 and grey ...
how did u deal with him just hitting you?
99% of my deaths are him just meleeing me
paper iron
uh
i staggered some healing potions from brann on the ground in case i needed
i played the talent idk the name that heal u on your finisher damage
the dude hits hard early on so can just evasion arround the pull
lucid jackal
Swap these 2
paper iron
But after he just feels like running arround jumping and casting
lucid jackal
Go elus over cheat
warm folio
wishlists updated and the only 2 people ahead of me are the tank and someone who does minimal content outside of raid, im feeling good tonight
running a 606 transmitter rn
lucid jackal
go pvp!!
fair anchor
any idea why pvp badge sims super bad compared to my heroic transmitter ?
hazy breach
Bruh i realized that shit happened on my carnage kill too
empty cargo
you can skip the vanish in the opener and just do, Strike-Flag-Rupture-Dance-bac...
So apply rupture before a evis/SnD in opener??
hazy breach
And i wouldve gotten r1 if that dps counted 
vague flame
Swap these 2
will try
paper iron
<:hmm:1273253175876649083> Bruh i realized that shit happened on my carnage kill...
logger in the other group?
paper iron
GG
marsh magnet
Ascension or the one that gives dmg for wep embellishment?
sudden breach
Anyone else experiencing stealth bugs in M+? It happens randomly but it last until I die or zone out.
Won't allow me to enter stealth, the button is literally grey'ed out, even if I enter stealth via shadowmeld, it insta exits me out
Vanish works tho
marsh magnet
ye sometimes combat persists
sudden breach
im out of combat tho
ebon fjord
!wa
wicked joltBOT
brisk raptor
Is there a logs channel somewhere?
lilac stag
Type !log
worn ingot
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
brisk raptor
!log
sudden breach
!up
wicked joltBOT
fallow walrus
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
tepid trellis
patent crystal
<:hmm:1273253175876649083> Bruh i realized that shit happened on my carnage kill...
hazy breach
patent crystal
cant forget the goons
midnight geyser
does simc use trinkets based off of which slot it is in
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It uses trinket 1 first
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If theres no stat trinket
midnight geyser
can i macro the 20s trinket to evi
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Does it put the other trinket on cd