subtlety

[edgy zenith]

and there's not a gameplay difference at all between the two, right?

[pure yacht]

Do symbols have a pandemic refresh timer?

[edgy zenith]

besides the storm tech with rotten in keys

[pure yacht]

or am I clipping the buff by reapplying

[edgy zenith]

3s or less, you're good

[pure yacht]

That's what I been doing just making sure

[edgy zenith]

which is normally when you want to send it anyway

[digital frigate]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[hoary lotus]

I was you until today

Just keep running mechagon

2x belts

[fallow nimbus]

The wowhead raid build has rotten selected

[alpine wraith]

well the diff is not much

[wicked urchin]

i'm at 15 mechagons so far and who knows how many other keys

no belt or boots yet

[hoary lotus]

The piece i saw has 10k agi. That is not the same piece that drops from m+

[alpine wraith]

likely fuu will put it somewhere that in st finality might sim better for people with 4 set

[hoary lotus]

I think I did close to 40

[wicked urchin]

cursed

[alpine wraith]

but why do you want that helmet

the one from motherlode is better

[hoary lotus]

10k agi at 655?

[alpine wraith]

it wont have that agi it has like 4k

[hoary lotus]

Thats why Im asking

[wicked urchin]

it has the same as anything else

[alpine wraith]

yea it is nothing special

[hoary lotus]

Nooo. There's an exploit or hard mode is dropping overstat pieces or something

[alpine wraith]

maybe someone was using one of the bugged azerite gears

yea and likely they will get fixed

same as the zuldazar and motherlode ones

[hoary lotus]

Is it just m0?

[alpine wraith]

dont ask people how to exploit but if it drops from hard mode m0 wont work

you cant go to the first part

to activate hard mode

[hoary lotus]

I'm not asking how. If it's an exploit that's fine lol

I just didn't know how to get an overstatted piece

[hexed sluice]

Hero track energy drink from the delves, guess I can play around with that and my normal kezans

[wicked urchin]

it sims better than 665 kezans for me until fights are like 6+ minutes

[molten citrus]

Pvp trinket yo

[hexed sluice]

Yeah I have that, I meant between both

Like use the energy drink for m+ when kezans is getting nuked

[lucid jackal]

why would kezans get nuked?

[hexed sluice]

cause rn my guild runs tend to have horrible uptime for kezans

[wicked urchin]

i think they just meant because you drop stacks

or if you drop stacks

[hexed sluice]

yeah my kezans is only 658 max too, just random timewalking luck

[bright elk]

I just got 4set and im attacking a dummy, does the stacking shadow damage portion show up as a buff or not? All im seeing is the "winning streak!" buff

[hazy breach]

Its part of the same buff

Theres just no mention of it in the tooltip

[bright elk]

gotcha ty

[alpine wraith]

kezan is good on m+ where you do the combat time

[hazy breach]

Assa 4p also says its supposed to be 4 seconds

But its actually 10 seconds

[alpine wraith]

and zac already posted it does not drop a lot of stacks outside

[hazy breach]

It does drop of fast outside of combat

But you can just not be out of combat

[alpine wraith]

yea

i mean it all depends on group

[void ocean]

so Kezan bis for brewery

[alpine wraith]

i mean on many dungeons you can just leave a mob ccd sad for our first dance talent tho

[wicked urchin]

my first dance talent is always sad because there's always 1 mob running at 10% for five years with every group i've been in

[hazy breach]

Obv not great with kezan

[void ocean]

I even noticed some weird counter resets when the grp engages the boss in m+

[hazy breach]

But you can run out and vanish

And sit in the cuckchair until tfd is ready

[bright elk]

I always assumed the delayed SecTec attacks were shadow damage but im noticing its pysical, thought they would get gigabuffed by the 4p

[hazy breach]

Ye TFD is yanky as hell

[hazy breach]

They are shadow

[wicked urchin]

i was wondering if that was worth it or not

good to know

[bright elk]

are they?the tooltip doesnt seem to mention shadow damage and the details damage shows up as physical for me

[severe vapor]

There's no way tfd is viable in m+ except like 1 key

Every tank is dh and pulls like a psycho

[hazy breach]

They are.

[copper shuttle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Well the other talents are weaponmaster (which is completely useless in aoe) and master of shadows

[alpine wraith]

wm is just so bad

[void ocean]

imho tfd pays off the most on boss

[alpine wraith]

tfd is super big even if you dont get many uses

vs wm

[hazy breach]

Also youre getting way more procs than you think

[alpine wraith]

now if wm worked on everything

[hazy breach]

Because all keys have downtime

Where you cant be in combat and you will always get it

[severe vapor]

For m+ I find that to be mostly untrue

Didn't know wm was dog tho

[hazy breach]

Ye the tooltip is just awful, and details just puts it as physical because the first hit is physical. If you look through logs youll see its physical

[hazy breach]

It literally is true

[zinc bluff]

How would you guys recommend using signet? do we just delay using it for one minute?

[hazy breach]

Pretty much all keys have downtime after bosses

[wicked urchin]

pvp trinket

[hazy breach]

Yes, but ideally you just get the pvp trinket instead

[zinc bluff]

Ahh is there an active one?

[severe vapor]

Ye I'm not saying you get 0 uses but I assumed like 5-6 uses get outweighed by weaponmaster

[crude path]

im pulling my hair out. I keep dropping stealth immediately after vanish and i dont understand why

[zinc bluff]

Thanks!

[hazy breach]

On 8 target cleave sims it takes weaponmaster 16 minutes to be better than TFD

(thats not a typo)

[slate lantern]

weaponmaster sux

[hazy breach]

TFD is better than weaponmaster for pure ST too if the fight is shorter than ~4 minutes

Also you can do stuff like vanish when the last mob has 5% left to start the TFD timer earlier and/or wait before jumping into the pack to make sure its up

[hollow spear]

For some reason I'm more likely to fumble my burst window with tfd

Probably muscle memory

[hazy breach]

Like in floodgate you can be the one pressing the crates/explosives and then wait like 1 or 2 seconds before jumping in while your group just chain pulls

[alpine wraith]

i got too used to tfd now

[ornate heron]

but your dance and symbols are perfectly same duration with it.

[bleak wind]

I swear tfd timer is bugged as fuck, it takes like 3-4 sec after the pack is dead to start counting the time out of combat

[hazy breach]

Yep

[alpine wraith]

yea it can bug

because it tracks your time off combat

and also if a mob enters combat

[hollow spear]

It's lovely

[alpine wraith]

it resets

or some weird bs

[hazy breach]

Its a newly introduced rogue talent, of course it cant be working as intended

Best part is when its at 0.5s and the tank pulls the boss and it resets to 6

Just brilliant stuff

[bleak wind]

I am standing in stealth sometimes during tank pulling if I have cooldowns, not sure if its worth

[hazy breach]

If the pack is gonna be dead before your cooldowns are over its not worth

But a TFD proc is worth roughly the same as 60 combo points spent in terms of CDR

[bleak wind]

ye was gonna say sometimes the mobs are at like 50% in those 5 sec

Im gonna start doing the vanish before the pack dies

[hazy breach]

Esp if theres one mob left

Those backstabs aint doing shit

[wicked urchin]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[wicked urchin]

what's the /cqs for?

[worthy relic]

funny thing is it just keeps counting up after u enter combat whenever there is a crusher in the rookery

[hazy breach]

Ye did you figure out how to game it

[worthy relic]

at least i think it is the crushers, it happens kinda consistently for me on those same packs every time

[silent umbra]

do you folks save flag for vexie damage amp

[wicked urchin]

it usually comes up partway through

[worldly violet]

that can be combined with shadow dance?

[hazy breach]

Ideally not

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[worthy relic]

didnt go in with a controled enviorment, just feeling i get from doing keys. but it happens the most on the pulls that have void crushers in them. i go in after tank pulls, this is usually 1 or 2 seconds into count and it keeps counting

[worldly violet]

i use them combined

[worthy relic]

even vanishing mid pack sometimes got the thing to start counting again

[silent umbra]

problem is a lot of variance with my guildies :/

[worthy relic]

but not consistant at all. i just notice it works there and didnt get it to happen anywhere else

[wicked urchin]

you just have to gauge it then

[hazy breach]

Ye ive had it happen some time too but didnt note where. Possible it was there

[worthy relic]

if u get it to happen outside of rookery let me know

[final holly]

I've been getting super low value from that talent with my guild because they often do smallish pulls and chain pull packs together

Maybe I should just be vanishing when only 1 thing is left and they're about to go pull something else

[hazy breach]

Ye but its still going to outperform the alternative

And like, even in dungeons where you can chain pulls back to back like cinderbrew theres still enough time for a TFD proc after every boss and right before last boss

[final holly]

I also really hate how the first sd drops off right before the second sectech in the opener on bosses

It just feels awkward

[sudden bone]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[gleaming locust]

there is never a reason to rupture in dance right?

[neon walrus]

Guys if you had an alt sub rogue with bad gear + no tier, would you choose a 629 veteran track House of Cards, or 649 hero track tier - after some sims I'm pretty confident it's the house of cards but I can't help but ask

[night sparrow]

Why vanishing while shadow dancing is bad ?

[chrome palm]

Because you can already use shadow strike, but it’s probably not a big difference. Definitely don’t do it in your shadow blades because you don’t need premeditation from vanish

[neon walrus]

I was strong and made a decision - though while I'm here I can't help but ask : Why do we pop potion + symbols before backstab in the opener when we pop trinket after the backstab with shadowblades, shouldn't potion be used with trinket after the backstab?

[hazy breach]

You can use your potion there if you want

It doesnt particularly matter

[chrome palm]

Most people macro potion to flagellation, either way it lasts long enough to cover the entire burst

[limber folio]

would a 639 transmitter outperform a 658 hoc?

[hazy breach]

Sim wise yes

[limber folio]

havent simmed it but

alr

[rich ibex]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[lavish rose]

wait so the pvp trinket we need cant be crafted?

[hazy breach]

What

You buy it from the vendor for 700 conquest

[lavish rose]

yea the other trinkets u can crart with heraldry

but we need conquest for this one

ok

[neon walrus]

Thanks - but yeah it is weird to not sync up potion with trinket

[lavish rose]

sry i literally dont pvp at all

[neon walrus]

I'm sure there's a reason but I've never seen that before

Can't help but ask

[hazy breach]

The trinket is 15 seconds

The potion is 30 seconds

[molten citrus]

all heraldry crafts top out at like 636 ilvl

[hazy breach]

Flagellation is 24 seconds

[neon walrus]

I suppose that backstab I'm talking about does more damage than a normal backstab outside of burst, and that's why

[midnight geyser]

when do we apply snd in our opener?

[lunar carbon]

So outside of SD with the new tier is it just spam rupture so u don’t lose stacks or we chillin pressin evis/BP

[teal hemlock]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight geyser]

do we not ss>evi>vanish>ss>rupture then sd?

do we skip evi and vanish and one of the ss and get our snd from our first evi in sd?

[hazy breach]

You dont play around it no

[hazy breach]

yes

[lunar carbon]

Bet Fs thx

[teal hemlock]

LOL

[limber folio]

yeah, i wonder why our 2nd rogue went back to playing on his monk main

[crystal rain]

is nimble area based off of me (player) or target

[swift tinsel]

You

[crystal rain]

ty

and sec tec is based off target, yeah?

[swift tinsel]

yeah, wherever the target is when the physical hit lands

clones don't follow

[crystal rain]

oh, so a tank can troll

and move the target away

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, can get trolled pretty bad if they move right after you cast lol

[hazy breach]

Fairly sure they do

[swift tinsel]

I've seen the shadow flourishes in the same spot the target was when it was cast and the mob wasn't there

unless the animation doesn't move but the clones do

[night cloak]

What's the mastery cap for Subtlety?

[swift tinsel]

happens all too often in delves when you dance and mobs beeline right for brann

[night cloak]

I have around 108% passive mastery, been wondering if it's too much.

[swift tinsel]

until sims tell you to switch to vers/crit

[night sparrow]

According to my sims I gain 12k dps with this tree what you guys think ? The Rotten conspiracy ???

(Finality talent over The Rotten)

[hazy breach]

Yep go ahead for ST

[night sparrow]

never saw it mentionned anywhere in guides nor logs/archon tho I'm confused

[brazen meadow]

is it really important to position behind bosses for backstab crit?

[lucid jackal]

nop

[hazy breach]

I mean it is fairly important

Not having find weakness stinks

[warm marlin]

does that include the fact that fazed makes boss unable to parry

[hazy breach]

Yes

[midnight geyser]

wait

[warm marlin]

hmm

[midnight geyser]

what different talents should i sim for my st

[warm marlin]

perhaps standing behind the boss is a good idea

[midnight geyser]

just finalty vs the rotten?

[swift tinsel]

melee should generally be behind the boss anyways

[warm marlin]

ye just had relaxed a bit on it since no parry

oops

[lucid jackal]

That can't be just backstab

[hazy breach]

Find weakness

For eviscerates

The backstab bit is close to irrelevant

[swift tinsel]

ya was gonna say you lose shadowed finishers uptime without fw

[midnight geyser]

what talent differences should i sim for raid that can vary profile by profile?>

[hazy breach]

I have no idea what youre asking for

[swift tinsel]

so not too surprising its that much of a loss

[dreamy shadow]

Does finality bring any rotation changes?

[warped ferry]

Anyone on able to analyze my logs? Want to make sure before i put it in the log channel

[thick temple]

this week in keys im noticing my transmitter is still on CD when flag back up, i never had this problem in s1 or past 2 weeks. was there a silent tweak or something

[dreamy shadow]

Did you start playing a 2nd on use trinket?

[hazy breach]

The affix reduces the cd of your class abilties but not trinkets

[thick temple]

oh

thats new right

also that affix got like 10x more health now

[hazy breach]

I mean yes the affix wasnt active last week

But its been in the game since season1

and worked the same way

[signal heath]

this is driving me nuts, i must have some kind of addon or wa hidden some where that puts in /say chat when kick some thing

[thick temple]

oh i didnt notice in s1 wtf

[prime ice]

So we just hold cds for a couple seconds to line it back im assuming?

[signal heath]

drives me nuts cant get rid of it lol

[midnight geyser]

what talent differences should i sim for raid that can vary profile by profile?>

[shrewd shadow]

trying to figure out why you'd want the glow over bling? i sim higher with the bling over glow

[thick temple]

youd want glow if you have literally everything else at mythic level on the bis list

whatever you currently have aligns better with bling because of your current gear/statspread

[hazy breach]

If you sim higher with the bling one use the bling one

[steel sierra]

Really hate that 6/6 Hero track cards sim lower than my 639 transmitter. Do I even both rolling BiS in raid?

[shrewd shadow]

i mean most likely i wont get all bis and myth track lol

[hazy breach]

Theres none

[signal heath]

is there a setting in bigwigs/lilwigs that puts in /say chat if you kick lol?

[dreamy shadow]

Think elvui can do that

[signal heath]

i dont have elvui. im trying to turn it off lol

[dreamy shadow]

I know thats why it happened to a friend of mine, if thats not the issue im afraid i cant help

[signal heath]

yea driving me nuts haha

[thorny kestrel]

hi guys, noticed that we don't evis as first global after flag anymore. SnD going up right away isn't as big I take it?

[swift tinsel]

Not really

[thorny kestrel]

was alluding to this guy

[lucid jackal]

It never was before afaik

It ended up being a wash and delaying CDs for 0% damage is just not worth it

[thorny kestrel]

hmm, i swear i saw evis, vanish, rupture but that was maybe s1

[steel sierra]

Nah, you are right

We used to evis to get SnD going

[thorny kestrel]

take it, it's not that important to get it going like 4 globals sooner then

like we could just evis after first strike after stech

[swift tinsel]

You only miss out one potential ub reset and a handful of autos

[thorny kestrel]

kk, been doing it wrong then. was doing outdated tech. thanks

[night sparrow]

me this morning lmao

[lucid jackal]

You did

But it was barely better to do so, if at all

the difference ended up being 0%, and delaying your cds like 3 globals

[visual basalt]

My Coup has been bugging every other boss, gets to 4 stacks and doesnt consume. Anyone know what might be causing it?

[steel sierra]

No, but that happens to me too

[left ledge]

JUICER RING

[lucid jackal]

lag

[hazy breach]

^ caused by lag spikes during coup, relog or swap to deathstalker and back to fix it

[placid crown]

raidbot algorithm using shadowmeld for no reason. "analyze with care"

while meld+strike extends SoD for 0.5sec

(and gives a free strike)

[sudden bone]

any idea how many stacks to use junkmasetro's trinket at

[twilit phoenix]

raid is so fucked tonight holy

legit the most lag

since launch day

atrocious

[placid crown]

na ?

[sudden bone]

today's been better for me. happening on less bosses

[twilit phoenix]

yeah NA

[sudden bone]

than last week

[twilit phoenix]

NA servers are down horrendous

[sudden bone]

but awful on mug right now

[placid crown]

well then eu>na

[twilit phoenix]

vexie was fine

legit every boss since vexie was insane lag

especially on pull

i'm fuming rn

[craggy quest]

is coup bugged on sprocket?

Or is it just a string of bad luck for me for it to happen twice

[hoary lotus]

can I pre stack jackpot

[placid crown]

how could u ?

[hoary lotus]

dummy? trash?

[placid crown]

well cant summon a dummy on a raid

[short radish]

does the detect tech still work?

[placid crown]

but for thrash, then it would be only for the first pull ? But i guess it is resetd at pull ?

[molten citrus]

iirc it doesn't work for tier but i could be wrong

[wary cloak]

is signet simming wrong? with my stats it gives mastery but for some reason a 639 skardyn's still sims higher with signet at 655

[molten citrus]

think it works for something else like a trinket idr

[molten citrus]

sounds about right, i think at that ilvl they'd be about equal depending on your gear

[wary cloak]

how if signet has over 500 more agi

[molten citrus]

really need to get a 1.5min trinket or a pvp trinket

[wary cloak]

and grants more mastery

[valid flame]

How high does Flag stack?

[spice monolith]

30

[valid flame]

ty

[sudden bone]

how do I use junkmaestro's trinket? on cd? certain # of stacks?

[spice monolith]

Iirc similar use case as spymasters for ranged last tier, max stacks on next CD set

But it doesn't give stats on use so just send at max ig

[sudden bone]

word ty

[molten citrus]

link the sim

but again would really suggest getting a better on use, 2mins aren't great for sub

[spice monolith]

House of cards or have fun getting the PvP trinket xd

Outside of that just farming floodgate + motherlode trinkets would likely be more fun to play with instead of having to deal with a 2 mins on use

[wary cloak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8kkGrShueyf5jAgqoqVb4U

[wary cloak]

yeah i mean i haven't pvp'd and all house of cards are open roll in my guild

[molten citrus]

pvp trinket is pretty easy to get

[languid mortar]

can we rupture in dance if its going to fall off?

[wary cloak]

fr?

[spice monolith]

Not ideal but yes

[molten citrus]

kinda want to avoid it

[wary cloak]

i figured you would need at least rival or something for good ilvl

[molten citrus]

refreshing beforehand etc but ye

[languid mortar]

better to send early then or just let it fall off

[spice monolith]

You should take the L on downtime and finish dance normally

[molten citrus]

ilvl has nothing to do with rating

[spice monolith]

Then reapply

[molten citrus]

hasn't since SL

[spice monolith]

Post dance

[wary cloak]

well that was the last time i pvp'd so makes sense

[molten citrus]

you upgrade the pve ilvl with crests like all other pve gear

the pvp ilvl scales to 678 in pvp content etc

[wary cloak]

gotcha

[molten citrus]

pvp trinket maxes out at 658

[wary cloak]

is just rng at the end of round/chesst or can i buy

[molten citrus]

can just macro it to blades

[molten citrus]

you buy it for conquest

700 conq

do the daily bonus queues of all the unrated brackets

[wary cloak]

okay sweet ty

[molten citrus]

1 bg win, 1 arena skirmish win, 1 epic bg win etc

[languid mortar]

appreciate it

[molten citrus]

then just farm war mode crates

[hazy breach]

Yes its a bit janky in sims but its still a bad trinket

Get the pvp trinket like notrickz said, its way better

[molten citrus]

was beginning to wonder myself as well

[hazy breach]

For some reason despite it being whitelisted as a stat trinket

[molten citrus]

ik bloodmallet isn't always the best but they show 655 signet=639 skardyn basically

[hazy breach]

It doesnt show up when using the "check if the trinket has stat" thing the apl is doing

Ig i should push a hardcoded fix like whispyr did but its such a bad trinket anyway

Was hoping it was gonna get resolved

[wary cloak]

well thanks for the validation at least lol

got some pvp to do

[marble ledge]

So at this point it's never Gloomblade? Improved Rupture is always better?

[lucid jackal]

at this point

ya

If we go back DS, we probs go back gloomblade

[tranquil egret]

trying to get back into sub but still dont understand how to play around 3x SoD

[wicked urchin]

im learning wooo

[spice matrix]

no DS

[wicked urchin]

i didn't realize you had to log out for the rep to show up so i could have the raid buff

unlucky

[placid crown]

heroic 5th boss US+EU ranking

truth is

i checked only for deathstalkers

33 people

https://tenor.com/view/issou-risitas-risitas-issou-marrant-drole-gif-17061342872719324195

[teal hemlock]

question, is the new sim to backstab out of dance is that for both the rotten and finality build or just finality?

[lucid jackal]

ITs any build featuring danse

[teal hemlock]

ty ❤️

backstabbing with the rotten feels wrongo

[twilit phoenix]

the duality of man

[warm marlin]

rewatch kill pull of boss today

didnt proc coup in opener

didnt proc tier set a single time until 3rd dance in opener

[upbeat nymph]

what a should craft as second item

neck/back or hands ?

[lilac stag]

sim it. Neck kinda bis long term

[vocal lintel]

how concerned should I be if in a +2 key the overall damage was tied with a fire mage and destro warlock 15-20 ilvls lower? I beat whoever was 2nd place on each boss fight by about 30% but overall we basically all were tied

[iron obsidian]

yo

are there any good guides on YT to how to play this spec

[timid fossil]

Do we play around our tier set or just let it ride

[twilit phoenix]

ya just sim yourself

it's gonna end up being neck, belt, gloves for a lot of people depending on what you already have

[lilac stag]

it’s a +2… press W and get out.

[alpine wraith]

nice a wep

[hard trellis]

anyyone have eye of kezan weak aura that imexile had?

[vocal lintel]

I wasn't worried until the mage talked shit, I thought it went fine. First M+ I've done since november last year. Damage profiles on easy keys lean towards aoe specs right? I guess that's really my question. On a key that had no extended boss fights should I be worried about doing the same overall as two casters, even tho I outgeared them?

[alpine wraith]

if low keys you wont be able to get full flag and blades into pulls so yea your dps wont be as good

but on bosses you should do fine

as for super overall on keys rogue is not op there but still our dmg is very good

[vocal lintel]

okie thanks, just kinda threw me for a loop when he talked shit

[lilac stag]

welcome to keys

And an overtuned spec in mage

Entitled pricks

[lilac stag]

You mean a helm.

[obtuse shard]

Is it worth to use pvp trinket to prog sprocket, i feel transmitter woukd be cringe in that boss

[placid crown]

The crafted neck has automatically one socket, but can you confirm it's possible to add a second socket ? Or the crafted neck is an exception with maximum 1 socket ?

[lavish rose]

sorry i was looking around and couldnt find an answer, do we generally hold 2nd tempered pot for 1 min so it lines up with cds (assuming the fight will last that long)? or would it be better to hold cds for 30s

[tidal marsh]

You can add a second socket to the crafted neck

[celest night]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[alpine wraith]

my helmet is crafted one then i will get engi later

wep is 1.4% dps fully upgraded

problem is after the fix to crafting i will have to snack 75 crests onto it

[lilac stag]

Just use it all the time until HoC

[alpine wraith]

but it is fine because i will use this week 60 to craft upgrade my helmet then 75 on wep

because upgrading hero items is a bit sus

[lilac stag]

I dumped mine into chest

and neck

[tribal blade]

i dropped tier stacks during cds twice because of coup sniping the end of 1st dance on gally

[alpine wraith]

and i know im not getting jastor hoc or eye of kezan anytime soon

[tribal blade]

so sad

[lilac stag]

idk what I’m gonna do with next craft

[alpine wraith]

remember you can spam dance while doing coup and yours is ending to avois this

[lavish rose]

lost my hoc raid finder roll by 3 today :(

[alpine wraith]

next craft for me is wrists

[tribal blade]

yeah i was too slow

it hasn't really happened that much until now

i better start spamming dance yeah

[alpine wraith]

yea it is very situational

[merry stream]

Is there a log review channel or should I post it here?

[alpine wraith]

but noticeable

[lilac stag]

I’m about ready to put an audio tick on dance for when it ends

[tribal blade]

parsed a 92

so that def would have been a 95

[lilac stag]

Use !log

[alpine wraith]

i parsed 76 because i messed up my opener unluck

and boss died just as my cds came up

tragic

[twilit phoenix]

latency is heroic was so fucking bad today bro

I had steam coming out of my ears

it was fine in mythic though

[lilac stag]

we got mugs down. 4 pulls on gally. We prog Thursday after mythic. Sub was aweful to play with instance lag

[twilit phoenix]

we got richard reverb to 30% ish after like 5 pulls

[merry stream]

like just "!log loglink"?

[twilit phoenix]

yeah if you !log it'll open a sub channel

[lilac stag]

just type the command

[twilit phoenix]

and then just go in and drop the link

[merry stream]

!log

[alpine wraith]

nope not worth to hold tier

there are fringe situations like on bosses where adds spawn etc etc

but overall no

[lilac stag]

I won the explosive hearthstone so that was nice.

[merry stream]

Our rogue dipped so I have to learn sub for mythic prog. I have the opener down but the downtime feels terrible, should I always be sending shadow blades/symbol of death on CD or save two charges for flag?

[twilit phoenix]

you always save shadow blades for flag

[lucid jackal]

stop sending shd/symbols at 30 seconds on flag/blades timer

[twilit phoenix]

and you want 2x dance and 2x SOD for each flag window

[merry stream]

so were just sitting the backstabbing with 0 energy for 30 seconds D:

[placid crown]

am i the only one who have a bug of capped crests ? The max by season is still locked as if the week didnt start.. except for gilded crests who are not bugged

[lilac stag]

you can play any of the 3 specs on mythic prog

they're all equally mid. outlaw possibly best for it

[lucid jackal]

Yep

[twilit phoenix]

yah really depends on what your group needs

but all specs are pretty viable

[lucid jackal]

Play what rogue is fun, all do the same thing

"Okay single target"

also, drip check

new pay piggy mog dropped

[merry stream]

I was glad in shadowlands on sub so thats why im playing sub for mythic lol

[twilit phoenix]

i like what you're going for

[lucid jackal]

Got the 🌞 🌛 on my back 💯

[twilit phoenix]

it's just not quite my tempo

[merry stream]

I will never touch outlaw that spec is aids, assass might be the move as well tho

[lilac stag]

sub is different than it was in SL

don't try to yolo learn it

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lucid jackal]

(notice the time stamp)

[lucid jackal]

Using this fit until I get the trench coat

7000 to go

[twilit phoenix]

you already know that's guy's fav

[bleak night]

ive tried sub and sin both on underpin ??

and ive come to a terrible conclusion

i think outlaw might actually be best

[twilit phoenix]

always was

[bleak night]

perma sprint around so you can kick bombas into adds

and grappling around

the damage doesnt matter as long as you can do adds reasonably well

[midnight folio]

Saw someone mention that we should play around winning streak for bursts, how exactly?

[alpine wraith]

you dont play around it

only in very specific situations it can be a win

[midnight folio]

got it

[hallow sigil]

Looks like we get at least 1 more week before class tuning or did I miss anything?

[molten citrus]

class tuning on wednesdays/fridays isn't unheard of

but who knows, maybe there will be none at all

[chrome palm]

class tuning on monday night 7 et

along with another round of raid nerfs

[still vector]

So am I only giving up my last tier after I get 4pc or can/should I wear new 2pc and old 2pc? I have hero track.

[alpine wraith]

depends on ilvl just sim it

it told me to change to new 2p fast because the second piece was M

[still vector]

hmmm

if I click on any piece of new tier I’m met with a red warning sign.

it won’t even sim it

[lilac stag]

Check the required tier needed settings in the sim

[still vector]

ok idk how todo that but I will look into it tomorrow

[young mural]

fuck yes man!

1st lucky drop this season

[subtle silo]

[alpine wraith]

dagger or house of cards to escape transmitter

[lucid jackal]

isnt that the worst dungeon dagger

[strange chasm]

Bis sin rogue dagger I think maybe

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid jackal]

Bis for noob spec

[strange chasm]

Also the joys of being unchained from transmitter is insane

[young mural]

any specific reason why suspicious energy drink would be simming lower than mechano-core for subtlety?

it really sucks when it procs haste no?

[alpine wraith]

if they are same ilvl raw stats can be a bit higher

what is the diff?

[young mural]

mechano-core procs highest or lowest stat (3.8k highest or 4.8k lowest)

and drink procs 4.2k mastery

[alpine wraith]

i meant if they are diff ilvl

[simple inlet]

guys do i just take m signet from vault and switch to assa?

[alpine wraith]

you could

[young mural]

same ilvl, i was simming 658 with 658

[alpine wraith]

but why ask here ahaha

well the diff with amplifier is that sometimes it can proc both

[simple inlet]

i mean where can i ask to get an unbiased opinion? xD outlaw?

[alpine wraith]

so it depends

[young mural]

susge

haste proc 🤡

[alpine wraith]

yea ask outlaws they will surely respond better but i would not take priory M if you want to flex

unless the other options are super bad

haste is not as bad in st

[idle pilot]

Yes, outlaw is the best channel to ask. Trust.

[alpine wraith]

now if any 2 targets come into play drink is better

[simple inlet]

other option is myth chest with leech

[alpine wraith]

so just use that one

oh i would get chest

fuck priory

[young mural]

i simmed for dung slice 😄

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9hZnnMyDuc4JjZihjdZuBB

[alpine wraith]

ahaha big rupture value for sure

[simple inlet]

lemme ask in assa as well xD

[young mural]

crazy work

[alpine wraith]

ah i think i know why house of cards already drs mastery quite a bit

[young mural]

oh shit

[alpine wraith]

but also 0.2 diff is not as big

[young mural]

am i at that amount of mast

[alpine wraith]

i mean house of cards gives 10k already

it will dr one way or another

[young mural]

yhea ill use energy drink, its hero track vs my champion mechano-core

[alpine wraith]

just that with everything the more stats you have other become better so that haste proc is more valuable lets say

[young mural]

also sims 0.3% better upgraded

[young mural]

oh damn, i wasnt aware

[alpine wraith]

i mean we dont sim stat weights anymore for a reason

basically if you equip more of one stats usually the others become better

[young mural]

ill sim the energy drink vs hero seaforium

and ill see if its worth to spend the gilded to get it upgraded

[clever delta]

another week withnout HOC

shees

[coarse bolt]

stupid question and sorry. Is your offhand basically a stat stick?

[clever delta]

yes

[coarse bolt]

thanks figured as much.

[coarse bolt]

also I have been wanting to watch someone do a whole 10+ key just to get a better handle on them cycleing through the highs and lows anyone you guys would recommend?

[maiden hamlet]

have hero transmitter and hero pacemaker

[icy mulch]

If you guys don't have a HoC and are starting lockenstock this week, would you take the 2.6% loss and play no on use or just be a transmitter terrorist?

[chrome palm]

Pacemaker unless you expect your guild to give you a heroic eye of kezan IMO

[dry dune]

Any important item from m+ worth to farm? Have one crafted dagger and random trinkets

[molten citrus]

could see how much difference pvp trinket is for you, probably less of a loss

[icy mulch]

[molten citrus]

a lot of us are running it atm

[fringe zealot]

figured I should ask, especially since I figure some people here would know, but it's a known issue where the first boss of Rookery doesn't get hit by SecTec when he's in the middle, right?

[alpine wraith]

if it is only 10s or so i have some uploaded

but there are some top players too like casualaddict etc

[molten citrus]

you can sim Droptimizer to see what items are the biggest gains for you, nothing stands out just ilvl gear upgrades

[coarse bolt]

cool thanks I feel like fundamentally the spec is making sense to me and is enjoyable but I hit these spots where I am making mistakes that end up snowballing

and its like fuck i am getting too old. lol sorry do you have a link?

[young mural]

https://www.youtube.com/@hachadino

[coarse bolt]

I had not touched sub since Zul and probably shouldnt expect to be immedaitly comfortable

appreciate the videos though

[young mural]

what is zul? O_O

[coarse bolt]

a boss that made bliz murder sub

bfa tier 1

[young mural]

oh ok

[young mural]

they killed sub because of that boss? lol

[coarse bolt]

had a pretty wild as fuck funnel and they just removed it mid tier

[young mural]

nicee

classic blizzard move lmao

[alpine wraith]

it was also good in legion but bfa first season got silly

[young mural]

didnt play bfa

[alpine wraith]

arguably better actually because it was already nerfed to 5% per stack

but still made blizz destroy sub

after first raid

also because it was super bursty you kinda solved eggs on the hardest boss until ghuun

with a weird build with first dance and marked for death

and dark shadow

[young mural]

that sounds crazy lol

[coarse bolt]

my memory of that time was like wod warlock where they were "we would prefer you dont play this"

[alpine wraith]

but shuriken combo made it so basically you would get like 50% extra dmg on evis randomly

[clever delta]

what is that pvp trinket called

[coarse bolt]

and then it fell to full obscurity for awhile

[tribal blade]

is eye of kezan any good in M+?

is it a sim bait

in dslice

[young mural]

really depends on your downtime, but generally is kind of bad

it'll most likely deplete a lot

unless your tank is really chain pulling

[eager idol]

does nimble fury aoe around your target or your character?

[random hare]

@tepid trellis @leaden prairie I did 4.63m end of fight 1st boss ML on +15

Pure st

[random hare]

It’s not exactly sim bait it’s just u need to have a grp that plays around it otherwise not worth touching it

[tribal blade]

yah prob not worth playing with then

[coarse bolt]

zerossman hate to ask a dumb question, so pardon me, but is that with almost perfect uptime on your part?

like were you dinking around with balls and stuff or just pumping

[lean cradle]

hey, do i get it correct that there is almost no difference in talents between ST and M+ build?

[alpine wraith]

pog

[young mural]

poooog

gz

[random hare]

100% uptime

Didn’t lose a single autoattack

[alpine wraith]

like zeross said if group plays around it is quite op

if you sim full stacks slice look at the dps diff

[paper iron]

Zero gigachad

[coarse bolt]

@random hare figured sorry for the dumb question, like comparing a coordinated 15 to my semi coordinatd 10-12 is pointless

i was like shit do i blow that hard lol

[random hare]

No worries

[umbral topaz]

wasnt aware you could get the boe boots in vault? 🤔

[random hare]

Show stats

[umbral topaz]

hahah ye wtf

[hoary bloom]

are these backs any good gamers?

[alpine wraith]

boe ones are different

[umbral topaz]

might be the others and i pepega the name?

[alpine wraith]

just same picture

[umbral topaz]

hmm

ye

[random hare]

That’s not the boe boots

[umbral topaz]

well im safe crafting boots then

[random hare]

Boe Boots is vers mast

[umbral topaz]

ye

[random hare]

Ye it’s good u can always catalyst it to heavy mastery low vers later

[alpine wraith]

if you have the means to get boe M boots eventually

i would not craft boots

[random hare]

Same

[alpine wraith]

even hc ones are very good

[umbral topaz]

well the mythic ones are gonna cost more gold than i have, so mm

[hoary bloom]

so the first one right? 2nd only has 1 stat and something about don

[alpine wraith]

the trashmaster should be better

all vers is good for us

[random hare]

I bought normal one week1 for 100k and I’m gonna use it till mythic unlocks

[alpine wraith]

yea good play

might get an hc one this week maybe

[random hare]

The vers only cloak

[alpine wraith]

or actually the next rn i already have champ boots

and im out of gilded

so it would be same 658

[random hare]

And wdym by “backs”

I only see one

@hoary bloom

[alpine wraith]

yea the other one is a belt

if you didnt know

[hoary bloom]

HAHAHA i am dumb

[crystal oasis]

Kinda garbage vault. Already used catalyst for 4p head. Do I just take a chest to catalyst in the future? Or take hands to upgrade current mastery+crit gloves to higher ilvl without needing crests?

[alpine wraith]

yea that is a chest angle and just save

[random hare]

Gloves

[alpine wraith]

or gloves depending

[random hare]

Look juicy as hell

[alpine wraith]

what stats are those

[random hare]

Tier u can get later

They are heavy mastery and low crit

Basically bis

[alpine wraith]

then they are good

[random hare]

Wait

Those are the haste mastery one

Same icon

My bad

Might be chest angle ye

[crystal oasis]

Cool ty.

[young mural]

this cant be right

am i already almost at dr?

[lucid jackal]

DR doesnt matter just sim and dont think

[young mural]

will do

[shadow lance]

What do we think about the Mastery Motherlode trinket? https://www.wowhead.com/item=159612/azerokks-resonating-heart?bonus=4776

[brisk onyx]

Nothing special

[shadow lance]

I see it B-tier but only sim 0.1% lower in ST than Flood one

Got the chose between it and set legs in vault

[lucid jackal]

Its p good

[hollow spear]

It's a true gamba trinket

[lucid jackal]

The 2nd trinket just doesnt really matter much on sub

U play ur on use, and then u pick a random trinket

It can be pacemaker, eye of khezan, it can be heart

it can be thug hotline

They all do the same thing

[hollow spear]

Hit it during your cd and you're vibing, hit it during your backstab and you're crying

[shadow lance]

Yes, got it. I suppose it's okayish for sin also

I guess MM trink better than MM legs set then

Already got 4p but on hands and not legs.

[stone patrol]

is that a trinket week?

[lucid jackal]

do u alreayd have a weapon

[stone patrol]

crafted dagger

[stone patrol]

and tbf Rik drop a myth dagger too..so idk...

[lucid jackal]

Probs just wait for raid

Kill rik

[ancient perch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[lucid jackal]

If it drops, take trinket

If not, take dagger

mh ilvl big

[stone patrol]

guess i´ll do so

[lucid jackal]

How shit is ur trinket

[stone patrol]

pacemaker on champion 652

[glass jasper]

Ez shoulders, this is current

Gonna sim it just as good practice, but will probably take shoulders whatever sim says 😄

That will also allow me to equip proper gloves, so kind of a big upgrade for two slots

[torpid remnant]

House of cards 642 or getting the 4 set piece?

[dry plank]

I took dagger even if rik drops dagger does not mean you’ll get it soon. Last season I did not see dagger for entire season in loot

[glass jasper]

Is that normal or lfr level HoC?

[torpid remnant]

Champion 3/8 642

[glass jasper]

And what level/upgrade track set piece?

[torpid remnant]

set piece is hero

[glass jasper]

Would probably get HoC, what is your current trinkets?

[torpid remnant]

Suspicious energy drink and funhouse lens (90 sec on use crit or haste

[void ocean]

so what is this seaforium sim bug, that when i have my passive trink on 13 and active on 14, it sims like 75k dps loss and when i switch trinks around its 33k dps gain?

[alpine wraith]

just sim treating it as an on use

you can add some apl to make it not krangle but not a high prio

it is on #tc-research

[haughty mural]

isnt it already on latest or nightly ?

[young mural]

yhea, crazy its still not patched

[haughty mural]

its cursed

[void ocean]

ye im gonna try nightly now

[glass jasper]

Ez HoC if you don't have it

[void ocean]

well, currently seaforium is +33k, HoC is +22k

cause i have pvp trink

[torpid remnant]

How big is dagger upgrade if i have 645 OH?

[haughty mural]

did you max it out in sim ?

[mellow vale]

why should SecTech be the first global in dance and not the last?

[void ocean]

yes, both

[haughty mural]

when you cast sectech as the last global in dance, the clones (which do most of its damage) will hit outside of dance

[tame stone]

am i dreaming

[haughty mural]

Since their hit is little bit delayed

[wheat lark]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty mural]

gratz - i will still tilt into oblivion with transmitter in our hc reclear today when we reach lockenstock

because i dont think my vault will have it

[tame stone]

well, goodluck, it saved me from these ... xd

[haughty mural]

Thats cursed

then you deserve it 100000000000%

[hollow spear]

Man, simming these ambiguous vaults kinda develops into a PhD

[haughty mural]

i think yours is really good tho

[marble ledge]

Are we using backstab for danse macabre in SD in between SB & Flag cd's?

[haughty mural]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[haughty mural]

oh nevermind - i missread your qeuestion...

I think ye with 4set with every dance

[marble ledge]

okay cool ty

I'm guessing BP or Shuriken storm doesn't make up the difference

[haughty mural]

for an extra dm ?

no

[marble ledge]

okay cool ty

[haughty mural]

im also pretty certain it is only because of premed

[hollow spear]

And tier helmet comes in at 3/6...

[haughty mural]

thats when loaded vaults become painful 😄

[hollow spear]

loaded would have been a replacement for my LFR legs 😄

then I wouldn't even have opened raidbots

[haughty mural]

Fair

[hollow spear]

vers/mastery ring.... ahhhhhh

[wheat lark]

BIS neck which i wont improve now so doesnt give much, vs Chest set big stats?

[lucid jackal]

probably chest

Crafted neck is barely worse long term

[hollow spear]

yeah

[glass jasper]

Do we know icd on azerokks?

[hollow spear]

I think the rppm were quite low

you can check in the sim what uptime it gives

[tribal blade]

i just found out if the damage proc from this trinket is active you pull stuff in shroud

10/10 design

[austere spindle]

I like waist slots

[hollow spear]

waist slots like you

[glass jasper]

Trying to think if there is some way to make it reliably line up with CDs, or if holding CDs for the proc would be reasonable if it comes like 10 sec after cds or something

[hollow spear]

don't think that will work

maybe an in between shadow dance or so

[old kayak]

Any minmax tip for set bonuses ? Or play to not focus them ?

[hollow spear]

but holding flag is int imo

[hollow spear]

just ignore them

[void ocean]

so this reset everyone got HoC 😄

i got one on my dk as well

[random hare]

Bis neck is crafted

[void ocean]

one question about cdg, since it strikes 3 times, if we fire evis as the last global during dance, are all strikes gonna benefit from it or some might fall out?

[glass jasper]

Some will probably fall out

[void ocean]

so its not "snapshotting"?

[hollow spear]

don't think so

I thought it worked similar-ish to how sectec works

could be wrong though

[vale osprey]

This isn't what the bis list says but I think the difference is negligible

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1351832188215361546/image.png?ex=67dbcf55&is=67da7dd5&hm=b10e5a7ed6d50d6b946607db2c19e121ba42ab3a939f54d79925a01aabfa32c2& Tough choices, hmhm.

[warped kite]

Mythic seaforium pacemaker or 4 set bonus with a 623 chest?

[magic ruin]

Ritual bone band ring sims equal with Cyrce’s already at 640ivl. Did cyrce’s get nerfed hard or what?

[hollow spear]

What's your current passive trinket?

[keen dome]

658 energy drink

So a pretty good one, haha

I'm torn between gloves and cloak. Cloak rolled speed..

[hollow spear]

cloak then?

[glass jasper]

Would probably take cloak then

[keen dome]

Cloak, yeah

Gloves sim slightly more but cloak has speed and I want to be a SPEED DEMON

[glass jasper]

Speedy trashmasters sounds nice

Title should be "The speedy trashmaster" if cloak rolls speed

[limpid sage]

Can you add sockets to crafted pvp items?

with the pvp specific socket thingy

[haughty mural]

[glass jasper]

Does finality evisc buff CdG?

[hardy snow]

CB cast macro gives error of spell not learnt?

[hardy snow]

the first hit consumes the buff and not generating from following two hits

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[hardy snow]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[alpine wraith]

yes if you bought the pvp neck you will need 2 of the pvp things

same with rings

[gilded garden]

Guys is Kazan playable in M+?

[alpine wraith]

it is decent on close pull dungeons

[twin quartz]

only if youre not a first dance enjoyer

[alpine wraith]

like priory motherlode

etc

[tepid trellis]

[twin quartz]

nice cloak

[leaden prairie]

ehad !

[tepid trellis]

this game is just spitting in my face at this point

[alpine wraith]

maybe he crafted cloak

[tepid trellis]

im not gonna pick a cloak from vault

[alpine wraith]

head?

[tepid trellis]

head is just crest save

wont be an upgrade until next week

[twin quartz]

yeah id honestly pick the head, but you might never see the cloak again

[keen dome]

Now this is gaming

[leaden prairie]

i mean its a mythic piece

what more do you want

im confusion

[tepid trellis]

any other tier slot

than head

is what i wanted

[alpine wraith]

he wanted the heart of azerokk big power

hit it on cds or dont

[leaden prairie]

why

[alpine wraith]

big gamba

[tepid trellis]

cuz my head has socket

[leaden prairie]

Noob

I got legs

[alpine wraith]

i forgot you can get pvp socket for wrist

[leaden prairie]

You want them?

[alpine wraith]

so i will farm 4k honor

for it

[tepid trellis]

and if i have to do 1 more night

[leaden prairie]

[tepid trellis]

of locken with transmitter equipped

[leaden prairie]

I can give you legs cuh

[tepid trellis]

im commiting ccrimes

[leaden prairie]

I will give you legs

You seem angry

[alpine wraith]

use pvp trink embrace the loss of dps for sanity

[leaden prairie]

In chillin with my card

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

if i dont get it from hc tonight

i will

i will take the 40k

dmg loss

and not care

[leaden prairie]

Wait you are raiding

[alpine wraith]

dont worry in sim it gets it perfect

[leaden prairie]

I legit tought you quit the game

[paper iron]

i said

i do this season

and i probably leave

[leaden prairie]

Ok

[alpine wraith]

just copium it loses 20k dps or so on avg

[leaden prairie]

Ok

Take chest censi

[iron obsidian]

chat

[paper iron]

m+ isnt fun

[leaden prairie]

Big uppi

[iron obsidian]

am i able to play sub without any vers at all?

[paper iron]

[alpine wraith]

you can just sim it

[leaden prairie]

Bro got 0 vers

[alpine wraith]

look at this man with jastor

[leaden prairie]

Vers hater

[iron obsidian]

bro

[leaden prairie]

Ok noob

[iron obsidian]

im a sin player

[paper iron]

i think shoulder are harder to get in raid nah?

[alpine wraith]

also get a pvp neck my friend

[iron obsidian]

me no like vers

[twin quartz]

as long as all the vers you're missing is crit instead its probably kinda close

[leaden prairie]

[alpine wraith]

sub is fine as long as you dont omegastack haste

but not even assa does that

just for trinkets remember we dont like 2 min ones

so get pvp trink or house of cards

[paper iron]

be out of the meta, play 40% haste sub and 23k mastery stacking outlaw

[limpid sage]

no but the crafted one

[alpine wraith]

or if you have transmitter from the old one good

[paper iron]

is the real way to play the game

[iron obsidian]

oh yeah, its all mainly crit, i have a little bit of haste. mainly from my Sikran neck, and weap

[alpine wraith]

crafted one just use the regular settings

they are like 1k gold

[drifting fable]

transmitter might be the worst trinket of all time

[tepid trellis]

its deff up there

[alpine wraith]

there were worse dont worry

but still annoying as f

[drifting fable]

I just want a fucking cards from vault

no way i get it from raid

[paper iron]

remember when grieftorch

[agile osprey]

ill take transmitter over bark

[paper iron]

but u couldnt move

or it canceled

[drifting fable]

legit impossible when everyone simming it gets 50k dps upgrade and its just convenience for us

[tepid trellis]

i love blizzard balancing 🙂

[limpid sage]

I know, but if you'd craft a belt with the pvp modification on it, would you be able to throw the pvp socket on it as well?

[hallow sigil]

Don't we all skip. Don't we all

[tepid trellis]

the fact they didn't just take transmitter out back

actually ruins my fun this tier

[hallow sigil]

At least I have hope as I never got transmitter even hc, so it Sims at almost a 5% gain for me

[paper iron]

blizzard balancing is always on point :)

they do tuning every 2 weeks :)

like riot games :)

[iron obsidian]

yeah how tf did this trinket survive the patch but Spymaster didnt

[tepid trellis]

cuz they care about casters

not rogues

[clever delta]

We are so back

[hallow sigil]

I'm still so concerned they bring out class tuning after all my resources go to sub gear. Then suddenly they make like outlaw way better

[drifting fable]

dont tune classes, just nerf the raid so much everyone can steam roll it

[leaden prairie]

wtf outalw tier

[drifting fable]

:)

[leaden prairie]

i knew it

[paper iron]

OUTLAW TIER

HO TIER

[hallow sigil]

New outlaw HO actually sounds fun to try though. Can't wait to die in KS

[twin quartz]

the 17 players who are allowed to be outlaw spec in mythic prog are makin us all look smol

[hallow sigil]

Outlaw is just cursed when it comes to doing any mechanics and losing uptime

[vestal escarp]

WTF is up with belts this week?

[iron obsidian]

yeah as soon as you drop AR, your pull is done

[leaden prairie]

head !

belt !

head !

[drifting fable]

go raid and heist a belt then take head piece

[paper iron]

head belt head !

[leaden prairie]

head !

[hallow sigil]

Which is why I love sub so much. I don't really care much for dropping uptime as long as I can send CDs every now and then

[leaden prairie]

any vaulters

[hallow sigil]

Yeah after work...

[leaden prairie]

same ..

remove work blizzard ..

[twin quartz]

youve gotta let the vault simmer for a bit

[iron obsidian]

im kinda tilt

[twin quartz]

its not ready yet

[iron obsidian]

pulled myth signet from vault

and gonna have to still use the fucking dogass transmitter i have sitting in my bag