subtlety

[jaunty heath]

Theres representation because of raid buffs

Good is where dh sits

Really good is where ww sits

Mid is fine

[lilac stag]

Above prot warrior dps at least.

[sterile kiln]

rogues when they're not top 3 in the meter

[lilac stag]

[sterile kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-it's-genuinely-over-trout-trout-dying-trout-it's-over-gif-4267717049801794134

[clever delta]

Rogue is crazy low mid - can be fine for some

[vale pine]

Rogue is a class you can not have in raid and it won't make a big diffrence

does not mean we are bad

[jaunty heath]

People omegaluling dh are cooked btw

Dh is definitely good idk what you watched but it also has chaos brand on top of doing good

Atrophic in comparison to chaos brand is eh

[oak rune]

Good is a class able to sustain aoe and st damage without relying on gimmkcks like 1:30 timers, splatter distance or constant uptime on boss

[lilac stag]

Havoc if not number 1 is shit. Duh

[oak rune]

Basically why rogue is mid is because it can only be optimized for certain things while other classes can flex better

All specs

[jaunty heath]

We just needs a slap and then we are in the good club too

[halcyon coral]

That's why I "main" 3 classes every season 😂

[jaunty heath]

Sub still bursts adds very well

[hazy breach]

Tfw we are the boomy discord now

[jaunty heath]

And adds are important this raid

[lilac stag]

what needs to be bursted down that ww and mages didn’t cook?

[halcyon coral]

The adds that are separated

Slot machine boss ..dot classes can hit all 3

In reference to WW

[jaunty heath]

Rik has stacked adds, stix does even tho obviously there’s a bigger nieche to fill there, bandit yes dot classes can hit all of them but they don’t die to that

Fire mages and wws cleave very well yes

[oak rune]

Basically being told to switch to outlaw for mugsy and coin machine because I can’t switch as sin

[jaunty heath]

But burst on them is still good

[oak rune]

Let me collect another full set of hero

[halcyon coral]

[jaunty heath]

To outlaw

[oak rune]

Yea suspect

[jaunty heath]

That makes no sense idk

You want the adds to die fast

So sub does that miles better than outlaw

[hazy breach]

Theyve also nerfed the damage ranged needed to do on stix by like 40%

Compared to the world first kills

[jaunty heath]

That’s huge

[hazy breach]

So just melee meatgrinder is fine

[jaunty heath]

Sub should be good then

Timers aren’t too bad either for stix iirc

[oak rune]

Yea sub is overall the best but sin is too reliant on boss positioning and add positioning

[lilac stag]

o said it during ptr. When you’re 400k behind in ST sims at higher gear levels, it’s not going to be a good time.

[clever delta]

Rogue will be even worse post rwf as we have half of scaling other classes

[lilac stag]

our need isn’t really there

So we’re “fine” as bottom 1/3 dps

trickster feels great at least.

[oak rune]

Death stalker honestly the worst hero talent

[clever delta]

Dw it will be assa meta shortly

[oak rune]

They should just allow you to recraft any secondaries for 500g

Then it wouldn’t matter so much

[young trench]

missive as socket slot thingy

[lilac stag]

Your secondaries won’t mate that much swapping to assa

[young trench]

yes but i wont half ass stuff like that when i know recrafts exist

thats why itwould be cool to swap on the fly 😛

[vale pine]

nah, we are better

[strong drift]

Got a hero gooner phone tonight

House of cards never coming

all luck used

[rough geyser]

anyone here got the Symbols macro?

[tepid trellis]

!symbols

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[paper iron]

49 pulls écho kinda crazy

[grand galleon]

so 7+ targets I use powder even in SD?

[paper iron]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

Yeah

[paper iron]

But coup de grâce being prio

[grand galleon]

ah okay, so storm only once in SD, but outside SD use even on 3+ correct?

[molten citrus]

[paper iron]

that s for aoe

so yea if flawless form activ, press storm on 3+ OUTSIDE of shadow dance
If flawless not activ, press backstab to activate it

[median python]

hi all is there any pref ons econd spark item? wasnt sure if i go second dagger or somethign else

[paper iron]

u should sim but i can tell u, from anything u could craft, dont do off hand

it s the worst upgrade slot possible

we went for neck / glove / head / cloak / wrist depending on what u already got. Assuming u did main hand first simming will tell u

[median python]

thank you bro, ill sim now!

[proper beacon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[daring agate]

neck will give you the most stats, thats what i went with

[eternal hawk]

Hello guys

Could u tell me pls, is it correct marcos?
#showtooltip
/use Shadow Dance;
/use Symbols of Death;
/use Shadow Blades;
/use Tempered Potion;

#showtooltip
/use Cold Blood;
/use Secret Technique;

[paper iron]

are the macro correct? Yes. Are they usable? Not really u dont wanna do that

[pulsar gate]

so the 1min pvp badge is what we buy right?

lowkey can buy a pvp ring too

[ancient whale]

So I'm using Quazii ui and don't seem to have a tracker for Supercharger combo points. Anyone know how to track them?

[paper iron]

can be good if u have no access to house / transmitter, can just macro it to blade or flag, idk what s the lenght of the buff

[pulsar gate]

yeah

[paper iron]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[paper iron]

@ancient whale either steal one from these OR check on wagoio. Cant be that hard to find

[molten citrus]

there's farmable rings from m+

[molten citrus]

those are suboptimal

[pulsar gate]

im doing crate farming how long will 700 conquest take me

i mean badge seems worth since i have poopy 2nd trink

[molten citrus]

badge is good sure

[molten citrus]

you don't really need to track them

[pulsar gate]

is it good or sarcasm

[molten citrus]

it is good

its like

the 3rd best on use or so

[pulsar gate]

and i upgrade it with valorstones or need more conquest?

[molten citrus]

you upgrade the pve ilvl with pve currency

[pulsar gate]

beautiful

[eternal hawk]

So, it's much better to press these buttons manually rather than using a macro?

[pulsar gate]

so its worth going max champ ilvl i imagine then

[paper iron]

it is

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[hazy breach]

Yes badge is better than most other trinkets.

Transmitter and house of cards are better, but those are not easy to get

The neck is solid too, theres 2 good rings from m+ but you could buy the pvp ring too if you really wanted

[paper iron]

u dont really want to cast them all at once in a macro, it s suboptimal, and u dont want to cold blood sectech macro cuz u actually wanna use it on your 2nd sectech in your burst, not your first

[pulsar gate]

i crafted a neck so once i get badge im gucci

so dont macro badge?

[molten citrus]

you can

just like any other trinket

macro it to blades

[pseudo fiber]

is badge better than signet of priory?'

cause it sims worse

[molten citrus]

kinda depends on your other trinket

[pseudo fiber]

pacemaker

[molten citrus]

might be the pacemaker fucking up the sim

link the sim

[eternal hawk]

Thank you guys!

Now I understand

[pseudo fiber]

have to do a new one, sec

[molten citrus]

i'm pretty sure pacemaker+priory don't outsim badge

[pseudo fiber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kxEm92vUGM25QnvvHsKSCW

[twilit phoenix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vm67DPpG1kj3qd8f?fight=23&type=casts&view=timeline&source=25

@hazy breach Why'd you hold your second set of flag+ blades until almost 3:00? We're you waiting for the second class the bosses do so you could cleave both?

[molten citrus]

yeah the pacemaker being in slot 1 is fucking it up

[tepid trellis]

taking a wild guess here, he thought he was only gonna get 2 uses, and wanted one where they clash so he can cleave

[pulsar gate]

id have badge and energy drink

which i feel like are decent trinks for hitting 80 yesterday

[void hound]

how do you cloak optimally on rik reverb when draining the pylon?

does it cancel the drain if you cloak during it?

[molten citrus]

swap your trinket slots around and try it again, it won't let me rerun it myself for some reason

[pseudo fiber]

hmm will do thanks

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vxaP4RDmwCTgedw2u3MHPj

WORKES

works

ty

[cedar swan]

what are you guys thinking of crafting next, im not too sure myself yet

[cedar swan]

it doesnt break the draining, but it does nulify the dmg

[void hound]

bracers or boots, but im waiting till reset

[molten citrus]

yep

pacemaker just bugged when in slot 1 for some reason

[twilit phoenix]

Draining the pylon

[fallow bone]

what is this conquest crate farming im reading about?

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[fading chasm]

!apms

[oak rune]

Airdrops give conquest gl if you are on a based server

Or used to at least

[lucid jackal]

U farm world pvp crates

[fading chasm]

!symbols

[lucid jackal]

But if the group is on a bad shard u have to actual world pvp for it

How is replicating shadows target determined?

[jolly pasture]

going into cds if you have coup in first dance do you still send sectec first

[lucid jackal]

U coup first outside of flag/blades

[paper iron]

think it follow the same way as assa, 1 => check non ruptured mobs arround u 2=> rupture the closest non ruptured mob from you

[long swallow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[paper iron]

if everything is ruptured, then it must just reapply rupture to the closest of you i would assume

[jolly pasture]

was something changed in raidbots? house of cards suddenly simming quite a bit more

[vale pine]

nope

[alpine wraith]

some things were added the other day maybe it just went in weekly

[proven plover]

he is right though, it sims like 10k more than earlier today

on nightly

[drifting quest]

hi, I just read the wowhead guide and have a question. Is there a reason why I wouldn't macro my backstab with my shadow dance? I tested the macro and it seems to work without any issues, ensuring that I always get the danse macabre stack when I press SD

[fallow nimbus]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[alpine wraith]

sometimes you dance with full cp

so you dont want to backstab there

when on cds doing 2 dances back to back

[drifting quest]

oh that's right, ty

[vale pine]

you can use the macro valthan posted

it allows you to fine control the use

[vestal escarp]

I miss zeross yapp

[drifting quest]

yeah that one seems perfect, thanks guys

[undone mesa]

Hey all! do we use this as second oil

?

[proven plover]

it does sim higher than double whetstone (for me)

bubble + whetstone is like 0.2% higher than 2x whetstone

[vale pine]

thats correct

[undone mesa]

st or aoe?

[proven plover]

both

[vale pine]

bubbling wax sims marginal higher

[undone mesa]

k ty

[vale pine]

it is higher variance tho

and wax needs to be farmed, the cheapest weapon oil combo is bubbling + mana oil

[bleak night]

mana oil is like twice the price of a whetstone on na

[paper iron]

NA market price since elon musk, if i speak i m in big trouble

how much is the wow token currently on NA?

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[proven plover]

biggest shocker for me was alchemical chaos simming higher than other flasks

[vale pine]

whats the whestone price?

[bleak night]

129g

[paper iron]

chaos gives more stats, so if u get mastery / vers during ur cds it s just a giant W i think

[bleak night]

mana oil is up to 393 actually so over 3x the price

[vale pine]

okay, thats cheaper then

[paper iron]

EU

[vale pine]

ill check eu prices

[round latch]

they are dirt cheap

[paper iron]

crazy cuz in S1 i was buying mana oil since it was cheaper

[vale pine]

ye, they dropped in price more than mana oil

[round latch]

yeah since then they are like

barely worth crafting

[bleak night]

ironclaw market crashed harder than us economy

[vale pine]

guess mana oil is not a good alternative then, just wax + stone

[round latch]

i was selling on mass production on s1

[round latch]

wax doesnt stack still right?

basicly irrelevant consumable

[bleak night]

when did it not stack

[round latch]

it was bugged

for alot of time

[bleak night]

oh you mean as in 2 on weapons

for some reason i thought you meant stack in inventory lmao

[paper iron]

i remember the scamble early expac

[round latch]

lol no

[paper iron]

"woah they added a rogue specific thing"

"oh we cant use it on 400+ ivll weapon"

[round latch]

it was always whetstones

[paper iron]

i farmed so much of these early S1

[vale pine]

yes, you only want to use it on your mainhand weapon

[round latch]

i dont bother with wax anyway,even outside wow

[paper iron]

[round latch]

its a joke yo

[paper iron]

i dont understand in-sub-channel jokes

only outlaw ones

[round latch]

we can start the sub-specific exorcism

it takes time and it might kill u..

lul

[paper iron]

ok i reroll ret

[stiff remnant]

!bp

[round latch]

(that was a line from the exorcist yo)

[weary shard]

if i already have a ascension dagger from playing sin, should i put writhing armor banding on the boots then?

[vale pine]

sure, whatever slot you have bad items in

embellishments are low enough in impact to have little impact overall

[weary shard]

so even a 2nd dagger would be stronger, if i won't get a mythic dagger anytime soon?

[vale pine]

offhand dagger is probably the worse slot in the game

but mainhand dagger is one of the best, it is why its suggested as first craft slot

you essentially try to optimize your current power level with crafting rather than chase absolute bis

[night rampart]

if a damage amp buff wears off right after I press sectech, do the extra hits still profit from the buff?

[still anvil]

I'm pretty sure that secret technique does not snapshot, so the answer would be no?

[night rampart]

[alpine wraith]

correct it wont be buffed

[weary shard]

MH dagger i did when i still played sin so thats taken care off

thats the current state of the gear. my plan was getting the boots and putting the writhing armor banding on it like its stated in the sin guide

or should i like the droptimizer suggest, craft OH dagger? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cmda2XEiaaV3mEnd43xPNK

[lucid jackal]

its not suggesting offhand dagger

Its suggesting mainhand dagger

[twilit phoenix]

Myth track dagger from richard reverb this week

[paper iron]

dude i ve 4 hc rik dagger in my bags

but he didnt drop in mythic

😠

[river coral]

has anyone here done underpin ?? as sub?

[weary shard]

so basicly getting a 2nd dagger should provide the best increase for me?

[bleak night]

no its saying to recraft your current dagger

if you craft a second dagger thats just you crafting an offhand

[weary shard]

then what would be the best thing to do with my 2nd spark?

[bleak night]

literally anything other than another dagger

[unborn igloo]

Hi, want to ask what i need to craft first after dagger, wirst or boots? /boots more main stats) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nCQbDszNbQDVCnD55G3Ycy :>

[bleak night]

like thats actually the only wrong option

[unborn igloo]

need second lens :>

[bleak night]

you have ascendance on your dagger, so craft a writhing armor patch on some other slot and call it a day

or recraft dagger with lens and make a neck with a second lens on it

[unborn igloo]

i have in bag depths

[bleak night]

anything other than making another dagger

[weary shard]

[lucid jackal]

U can craft a neck for a longterm upgrade

U can craft bracers for a short term upgrade

[plush roost]

Ik im crafting neck + embellishment

Heroic bandit bracers and myth cauldron belt

We're happy campers

[unborn igloo]

and boots? :>

[plush roost]

The sprocket ones at heroic

[unborn igloo]

[plush roost]

I still wearing sikken court neck xd

[lucid jackal]

go pvp

Takes like 10 wins maybe

[plush roost]

Ahhhh but i hate pvp

[weary shard]

then why is the guide combo dagger+boots instead of dagger+neck?

[lucid jackal]

If u do brawl, ebg, and normal bg first win of the day, u get 363 conquest

[plush roost]

Where do u get the hero neck for pvp

[lucid jackal]

Which means u need 2 pvp 2s wins to get the neck

[plush roost]

The vendor only sells champ

[lucid jackal]

Its only champ track

[chrome palm]

it took me way longer to get the 10k honor than the conquest

[short owl]

PvP neck is too good

[lucid jackal]

But its the best neck u can get

[bleak night]

because the embellishments all barely matter, and there are a bunch of "bis" profiles that are within margin of error of each other

[chrome palm]

the pvp hands are also really good while youre at it

[plush roost]

Really huh, over, crafted?

Ig ill sim it when im home

[sand monolith]

What are some shiv targets in m+ and how does it fit into the rotation? I haven't ever really ran shiv except with sin.

[short owl]

PvP neck and boots embellishments is what my sims tell me

[plush roost]

The meadery testers have an enrage, the boar at start of ToP has an enrage u can get every other stomp with

[lucid jackal]

PvP neck and then crafted cape/bracers are likely going to be better right now

[sand monolith]

the guys who do test sample cast?

[lucid jackal]

Long term, in full bis, when u can get the raid vers/mastery bracers, and cloak, neck is ognna be better

[plush roost]

Yeah I'll run some combinations when im home for sure.

Rn im kinda blessed with versa mast belt bracers boots. Cloak is an angle tho

[unborn igloo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nCQbDszNbQDVCnD55G3Ycy Than you tellin craft cloak on me? Can you check it? i dont know now what i need to craft 😄

im really confused

crafted boots for me is like 2,2%

[bleak night]

the "full bis" profile doesnt even use the crafted neck so i wouldnt be making crafting decisions week 2 based on it

make whatever is the largest upgrade at the moment

[alpine wraith]

yesw please people

think critically

and make your own decisions

look at your gearing possibilities

[bleak night]

big number good

[jolly pasture]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[plush roost]

Is the pvp neck really going to require 7000 honor for sockets -_-

[lucid jackal]

Full bis is what, the neck u get from vault

I dont count dungeon vault gear when it comes to "bis"

kwim

[plush roost]

Kinda based

[undone mesa]

guys on largers pulls we use evis anyways

[bleak night]

like hacha said

make own decisions critically

[undone mesa]

or bpowder?

[molten citrus]

10k

[plush roost]

Bp at 7+

[molten citrus]

[undone mesa]

tyy

[plush roost]

[molten citrus]

5k per socket

[hexed sluice]

• more of you don't buy the bloodstones

[molten citrus]

because you can buy the gems off the AH

[alpine wraith]

yea 5k per

but thankfully i already had honor from last season

thx past dino

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[weary shard]

kk. as to not having to sim every single piece with 16 stat combinations.

just chose the ebst droptimizer result with vers+mastery stat combination, which isn't a dagger?

[bleak night]

theres a string somewhere you can use to just do crafts in topgear

idr where though, maybe fuu or someone can help

or you can just manually add them in topgear

[weary shard]

i tried that and i lost my mind trying that

guess will just have to wait for fuu^^

[dry dune]

Sub is so much fun, once you get used to pressing all these CDs buttons. Enjoyable spec

[safe maple]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac pendant]

How do we use on use damage trinket as subtley

[hazy breach]

Whenever it doesnt mess up your stat trinket for flag+blades

[pseudo fiber]

So, i aquired Badge. We do want to use it during Shadow blades window even tho its 1 min cd, right?

[lilac pendant]

I have the bee riding one

[hazy breach]

yep

Macro it to blades

[pseudo fiber]

cool, ty

[sly shore]

@vale pine can you craft mh and oh with ascension and it stacks?

[vale pine]

i don't remember, we tested it in s1 but thats a long time ago

[alpine wraith]

dont remember wither sorrey

[vale pine]

but 2x was never worth it

[sly shore]

not asking if worth just if possible

as a healer I know crafted mh oh

[alpine wraith]

should be possible

writhing patch is for people with 2h too

so they can also 2x

[sly shore]

maybe @teal coral knows for sure?

[alpine wraith]

praydge

[sly shore]

[lilac stag]

if you want to test it, use a s1 spark and low end mats.

[runic sinew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sly shore]

yeah

deleted them

xd

[lilac stag]

hahah

Do a 619 one ?

Those don’t need spark right?

I forgot what the base crests needed for craft

[wispy jasper]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[candid lichen]

why does improvised seaforium pacemaker sim so badly?

[kind hearth]

yo, question
why does everyone seem to shadowblades after first secret technique? doesnt it empower the ST itself?

[hazy breach]

It does but the main damage from secret technique happens 1s and 1.3s after you press it

But it doesnt matter if you press it before or after

[kind hearth]

ahh ye makes sense tyvm

[hazy breach]

It sims the same anyway

[worn vector]

as a tldr whats the performance between all specs?

[alpine wraith]

sub and assa are fine in raid

outlaw is there and does well on some bosses

wont see many likely

[worn vector]

same for m+?

[deep estuary]

https://www.archon.gg/wow

[vale pine]

all 3 are surprisingly close

[deep estuary]

good website for u bro

[worn vector]

cheers

[deep estuary]

when taking thistle tea in m+ do we just macro it to symbols or something and forget about it?

[hazy breach]

Macro it to dance

[deep estuary]

or do we actually manually use it for energy

[hazy breach]

But dont take it

Its not good

[deep estuary]

whys it look like most people take it on archon then?

[hazy breach]

Because archon displays its data in a very silly way

[alpine wraith]

yea the presentation could use some work

[hazy breach]

One of the few poeple that has done a 15 played with it

[steel horizon]

sims very close to eye and shadow binding for me

within 0.2%

[deep estuary]

i thought archon showed what majority of people use within 7-15 keys

now i read it i see it shows the top log of a 15 yeah

makes sense now

[west arch]

!both

!st

[vale pine]

what do you look for linki

[west arch]

Macro for dance macabre

[vale pine]

danse macabre is passive

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vale pine]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[vale pine]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[west arch]

Bs

[vale pine]

these are macros you can use

[west arch]

Thx fuu

[candid lichen]

for me it says it's a 4.5% dps loss compared to azerokk's resonation heart

[pulsar gate]

just to confirm

[sly shore]

[pulsar gate]

pvp trinket is badge of ferocity right?

[teal coral]

Been a while but I thought it worked

[sour void]

Hey @vale pine in your wowhead guide you write that we drop the cyrce circlet at arround ilvl 665. Is this because haste and crit are not that desired stats ? Because with the ammount of mastery i have the ring gives me a ton of raw stats

[pulsar gate]

macro badge to SB or Flag?

[steel horizon]

link the sim? it almost sounds like its replacing transmitter because 4.5% is a lot.

[candid lichen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uKsbaihpfEBnu8wNJUn6Pz

[steel horizon]

oh u dont have transmitter

[steel horizon]

you should add transmitter or house of cards to it and see what it spits out

also the pacemaker is 3 ilvl lower in your sim

[candid lichen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eHUyUiGSKRthc6QJRUA2fz

why is it only good with transmitter though

[deep estuary]

do we only sec tec during dance?

[steel horizon]

cus transmitter and house of cards are 90 second trinkets. they line up better with sub burst

[sly shore]

ran some tests and it works

[steel horizon]

so those are our default trinkets

[candid lichen]

ain't no way I'm going back to transmitter

[vale pine]

it is because the amount of stats on rings become better than the effects of the ring

[candid lichen]

thanks for the help

[steel horizon]

Pray for house of cards then lool

[lilac stag]

Blades

[sour void]

Ok because i came up with this calculation and the ring would give me 460 more total stats then a 665 vers mastery ring. So i wanted to ask if crit and haste are essentially so worthless that the ring should be dropped. I know that in the end it all comes down to simming but i just want to understand how this comes

[alpine wraith]

ring is usually better for a long time

even if your other ring is 665 or 670 becasue of fathomdweller

best is to just sim

also when you get mastery procs like drink ring also gains stats

or things like symbiosis or blessed grip

[vale pine]

haste is not worth much as subtlety, we benefit the most from mastery/vers

[sour void]

Ok thank you. Do the sims respect that the stats can change during procs like hachadino said ?

[alpine wraith]

only if you have them

[vale pine]

simulations should behave like ingame

[alpine wraith]

sims should be okm

[wispy jasper]

Do any of the WA packs track the Fazed ICD or when it's refunded by Thousand Cuts? Is it even worth tracking?

I'm learning the rotation and I am seeing a situation where between CD windows if I get Unseen Blade, and Fazed is not on the target, Im kinda just sending backstabs at 7 cp's.. Thoughts?

[alpine wraith]

a funny thing too is when you pop house of cards and get like 10k mastery

[vale pine]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[alpine wraith]

ring also gets stronger

[vale pine]

le i think tries to track unseen blades

[sour void]

yes that is why i am wondering that a 665 ring outperforms it

[wispy jasper]

Yours tracks unseen blades too, I just mean the enemy debuff

[molten citrus]

you can add it to your plater

or did you specifically want it shown in the WA pack

[wispy jasper]

Idk what I'm askign haha, just tryign to figure this out

My second half of my question was more the important piece..
If i'm between cooldowns with a Coup de Grace proc'd, and fazed isn't on the target, but I'm at 7cp. Do I continue backstabbing and wasting CP's to proc fazed?

assuming my only option atm would be backstab/evisc

[native zodiac]

@tepid trellis

[alpine wraith]

pog

[weary shard]

is there a weakaura that shows how many shadowdance and symbol charges we will have for next flag/shadowblade?

[molten citrus]

it should be kinda difficult to end up in this situation afaik, because when you proc a coup its a result of your Fazing the target

[wispy jasper]

oh, true

okay, i was just theorizing, but yeah that makes sense

ty

[molten citrus]

i would just recommend tracking Fazed on your plater

so you coup the correct target

[wispy jasper]

For sure, I am, ty 🙂

[molten citrus]

i think thats all thats necessary(?)

[tranquil garden]

le's package

[tardy panther]

have a question, is it normal to have secret technique up and not having a dance to use it? or i am doing somethign wrong, i only use dance when sec tech is up and tech is the 1st finisher i do

[alpine wraith]

yes it happens quite a bit

dance has literally half the cdr of sec tech

[molten citrus]

you'll usually end up with a sec tech and 1 sod charge

typically you can send a naked sod+tech and be fine

not sure if it can krangle things depending on uptime though

[empty oyster]

Should i send 675 neck? i have 655 boots on bag
making neck i can use double lens

[alpine wraith]

you might want to sim

neck is kinda safe

but for me it was not a big win vs pvp necl

[tardy panther]

also is fine delaying my cd's if no dance is up or is it better to not dance and wait like 12s for cd's to bve up

[empty oyster]

i did a couple, sending 655 neck is only worth if i have mythic chest legs or head to upgrade, if i am using crests to upgrade mythic belt its dps loss compared to send max ilvl neck

[molten citrus]

you generally want to aim to have dances when your big CDs come up

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[umbral topaz]

man does rogue tokens even exist?? 20 tokens for our raid this week, only 2 being rogue 🤔

[tulip gorge]

you have more than 1 rogue?

[vale pine]

we had 1 rogue token drop so far

so ye, rogue token's don't exist

i have the theory that token drops depend on how many of the specific class are in the raid but can't confirm it

[west tide]

@lucid jackal u makin the boots or wrists bro

[lucid jackal]

I made wrist

gonna buy boe for now

[west tide]

omggg

ok ill go boots im broke as shit

[pulsar gate]

would u guys say our jobs as rogue is to lock down a dangerous caster

as best i can

[west tide]

in like dungeons?

[pulsar gate]

yes

[lucid jackal]

kick kidney kick

thats all u can do

[west tide]

i mean i wouldny say its our job but we have lots of tools

[pulsar gate]

right

well we got blind

[tranquil garden]

this might be true...we're 8/3/3, the 8s seem to get a lot more

[west tide]

if a cast is about to go off u can use atool to stop it but i wouldnt call it a job

[pulsar gate]

cheap shot isnt as readily availble

[west tide]

just make the right play if u need to

[pulsar gate]

yeah i mean when theres 3 casters i can only really focus one

unless i go dummy and just focus on cc

[tranquil garden]

vanish cheap shot

[pulsar gate]

true

like those mobs beginning of DFC

casting

i should lock one up

[vale pine]

My raid team just does not distribute omni tokens based on what class dropped the least, thats why i am more aware of it. This means e.g. people on the rogue token get tier later usually unless very lucky even tho this is just my opinion on the topic.

[versed hazel]

How big is eye of kezan for sub?

[tranquil garden]

bout the size of a human eyeball

maybe slightly larger

[paper surge]

is sub dps in keys on trash pull dependant or am i there to just go brr on bosses?

[tranquil garden]

strangely it's about the same size for every other spec too

[versed hazel]

my sims say it's not an upgrade over mythic spare keys and heroic priory trinket

[vale pine]

its pmuch bis for anyone for mythic

because it becomes stronger with fight time

heroic/normal its kinda whatever

and for mythic+ you have too much downtime, so not recommended to use

[versed hazel]

gotcha, similar to signet from amirdrassil in that sense then

guess it just sims like shit for some reason

[vale pine]

change figth lengh to 8 mins

[versed hazel]

will give it a go

[weary shard]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[leaden prairie]

hey

i would say the opposite

kezan becomes much better in m+

the stacks dont go down that fast

and you are able to keep it up with insane uptimes

in some dungeons *

i think the meta will evolve toward tanks running it prolly

[versed hazel]

so if I have it only queue with tanks that also have it

[twilit phoenix]

Damn eye of kezussy goes crazy

[tranquil garden]

kevin's eye really putting out the gaze attacks

[alpine wraith]

yea sub will be sad lots of people running house of cards and kezan in the future

[vale pine]

nice, requires a good tanking strategy tho

[twilit phoenix]

Just the raw stats you get from it is crazy

It’s like 6-7k agi at full stacks?

[alpine wraith]

yea it is a bit diff from signet

where after some secs it just lots all charges

[twilit phoenix]

I’m a hero track sussy drink enjoyer

[leaden prairie]

ye 7k i think

well mine gives me 7 k

at like 658

i think

[leaden prairie]

signet was also st only so

[twilit phoenix]

678 eyeball gonna go crazy

[leaden prairie]

a trinket that is just stats

you are going to want to run it

even signet sometimes you would run in high tyranical keys

in some keys

[alpine wraith]

it did aoe when at max stacks

the reason it was super busted if you perma pulled

the st power was also not bad of course but imo if you did the leave 1 shitter ccd somewhere on some dugeons for perma combat

it was stellar

[spark valley]

how often do we use shuriken storm in aoe? i'm kinda confused about it

[leaden prairie]

i mean from what i rmeember we only played it for boss damage

idk about doing aoe

[alpine wraith]

st was giga but the aoe part when fully stacked was quite strong

of course you only did the perma combat on coordinated groups and not all dungeons

because it broke vehicles and other things you cant click inside of combat

same thing as you can do now on floodgate with 1 person having to drop combat to click bombs/pistol etc

[limpid sage]

When no flawless form and shadow dance up is what I’ve heard in here

[paper iron]

i hated signet

most uselss trinket ever 😠

reclear fights were like 4mn long at most

😠

and the rng of stacking it was so weird, could be full stacked in a minute, or not full at 6mn

[molten citrus]

as it says in the wowhead guide

at 7+ you do 1 storm in dance to spread FW, and you spend on BP

[pulsar gate]

what do u guys enjoy about sub

[molten citrus]

outside of dance at 3+ you storm with FF up

[hazy breach]

Big bonk

When i press cds things die

[pulsar gate]

rotation is lacking a bit for me but what can u do

[molten citrus]

burst is thematically sick

[pulsar gate]

lowkey a 2 button spec

[paper iron]

and outside of cd i can alttab and play some candy crush on facebook

[molten citrus]

pre planning CDs is fun

[paper iron]

wow is 2 buttons nowadays

it s not just sub

[pulsar gate]

WW is bussing rn

[paper iron]

yea it s 3 buttons, not so bad

[pulsar gate]

lmao no

[paper iron]

but 30 apm

looks very much like sub kinda

[pulsar gate]

yeah maybe im thinking too much into it

just kinda boring idk but its meta

[paper iron]

my point is, all classes in modern wow is the same shit

2 buttons to generate

[pulsar gate]

yeah u right

[paper iron]

2 buttons to spend

2 or 3 cd button to empower yourself

[undone mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ybdW6VNtw81agR97?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=538
Can someone help me identify some improvements?

[paper iron]

10 buttons are for utility / defensives

[proven plover]

Why do you play it if you don’t like it

[molten citrus]

type "!log" and link the log

it makes a thread

[pulsar gate]

i just started i dint know what i was getting into

sin and outlaw were very fun

[proven plover]

Sub is about cd management

[pulsar gate]

yeah thats what im seeing

[proven plover]

Just go sin if you enjoy it, the specs are very close

[paper iron]

all 3 rogue specs have great gameplay currently (well since outlaw is playing killing spree maybe not lol)

and they go different

[undone mesa]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ybdW6VNtw81agR97?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=538

[paper iron]

assa is about ramping damage, tracking dots, doing cd stuff. Outlaw about reacting to proc and smashing keyboard. Sub is about preplanning any combat, aligning CDs

[half quest]

Are the Wowhead/Veins guides wrong when it comes to eviserate in the opener? They have rupture and sectech as the first two spenders where the APL has eviserate and rupture.

[hollow aspen]

guys how on earth are you playing without the energy talents, when i run CB i feel like i never have enough energy for anything

[thorny rivet]

!MD

[hazy breach]

You have more than enough energy during your cds

And you dont do any damage outside cds anyway

The best way of using tea is to macro it with dance anyway

[hollow aspen]

ill keep at it then

[hazy breach]

No, theres no difference

And its just simpler to not have the vanish there

Because you can say "do this everytime your cds are up"

Also the simc apl should be updated soon enough

[pulsar gate]

numbing in M+ over atrophic>

?

[hazy breach]

Numbing makes the tank takes less melee damage and increases the time of casts

Whereas atrophic is overall a dps decrease for the enemies

[pulsar gate]

see i thought atrophic would help tank more

so if i know i have a lit tank maybe go atrophic

[hazy breach]

Well atrophic is -3.6% damage

[pulsar gate]

but the slower casts is good too i imagine

[hazy breach]

Numbing is -18% dmg from melee hits

[pulsar gate]

i see

[tranquil garden]

Slower casts means easier kicks.

[pulsar gate]

yes

[half quest]

Losing the supercharger off the first sectech seems like a big deal but I guess the extra seconds of SnD makes up for it.

[upper narwhal]

Numbing poison was lowkey carrying 1st room in meadery before the nerfs

[hazy breach]

What

Your first sectech is supercharged either way

The only difference is less slice and dice uptime

[half quest]

Do you lose symbols buff on pull?

[hazy breach]

What

No

But you dont use symbols until before sectech

[half quest]

Okay I’ve been using symbols pre pull because it covers the first sectech

[half quest]

And flag stacks I think

[hazy breach]

The "prepull" is 30 seconds or longer before pull

Not right before pull

[autumn glade]

that's not why you use it prepull, first sectec should always be supercharged if you're doing the opener right

[hazy breach]

Using it right before pull would be really bad

[autumn glade]

even if you don't use symbols prepull at all, sectec should always be supercharged with proper play

[hazy breach]

Yes

[half quest]

Okay I thought symbols covering the opening gcds was part of why it was pre pull whoops

[autumn glade]

If it's not, you're doing something wrong

[half quest]

Especially if you do evis rupture opener you barely miss symbols charge with the cd reduction

[hazy breach]

What

[autumn glade]

what

[molten citrus]

[autumn glade]

symbols doesn't get cooldown reduction on combo points spent, that's shadow dance

[swift tinsel]

you get a full symbols charge worth of cd duration from your flag window

or 1 second short if it

24 sec buff

so you shouldn't be missing symbols charges

[molten citrus]

[autumn glade]

I'm confused on what's going on now lol

[half quest]

I thought symbols got cdr and have been playing wrong

That’s all lol

[autumn glade]

lol

[half quest]

We love learning

[paper iron]

a teacher is an eternal student

[tepid trellis]

oof

[alpine wraith]

is that stix?

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[alpine wraith]

damn close as fd

[paper iron]

ya benched stealthi yea?

[left ledge]

You’re almost done with the tier

[paper iron]

yea this is the last boss but wihtout a mount drop for some reason

true

[alpine wraith]

mug zee is harder

but still what a tier

[left ledge]

I’m benched on stix

I like tiers like this more ngl (in terms of length)

[brazen hare]

is there a channel to ask beginner sub rotation questions?

[left ledge]

Absolutely hate when tiers are heavily tuned just for rwf then get nuke nerfed

[left ledge]

You can ask away here

There’s also resources in faq and pins and on wowhead

[paper iron]

here is fine

[tepid trellis]

unlucky, raid is over now

[paper iron]

strongly agree, i mean this tier is fine overall, just last boss looks a bit disappointing

[tepid trellis]

dies tuesday

[paper iron]

oof stealthi, how many pulls are u in?

[left ledge]

Yeah I mean if last boss took 20 pulls from stix and 20 pulls from mugzee would’ve been fine

[paper iron]

this is my guild first night on him

[valid vault]

does anyone know if you can cloak the recycler on stix?

[paper iron]

damn u just need the good pull where everything aligns so

soon soon

[jolly pasture]

rik is so rng goddman

[paper iron]

die next night

[tepid trellis]

no

we need a pull

where people dont die to stupid

[paper iron]

that s what i call everything aligns

it kinda means

brains are processing right

[tepid trellis]

i call that playing properly

[paper iron]

which is what i wanted to say

i m watching my guild on it rn, it just looks like the shittiest gimmick mecanic fight ever

[brazen hare]

ty, so in between CDs am i using Symbols and Shadow Dance at that time with Secret Technique? so it says on wowhead. but at the same time im saving 2 charges of both for when CDs come back up right. basically what am i doing vs not doing in between CDs. because atm my dmg is extremely low when im on CD.

[sage pivot]

Is it better to cast symbols>shadow dance or dance and shadow dance on the 3/4th dance macabre so i hit the empowered combo poits with Shadow Tecniques and Evis(4 macabre stacks) ?

[short aurora]

Dance and dance

[tepid trellis]

dont think about dm stacks

[short aurora]

[tepid trellis]

just follow the general guideline

[left ledge]

Your damage is going to be low when you are not using cds

That’s the intention behind sub

[vale pine]

close

[left ledge]

You are a wet noodle

[brazen hare]

yeah but mine is like 600k low lol

[left ledge]

Yes

It’s VERY low

[brazen hare]

really?! haha

okay

[left ledge]

You do damage in cds

Outside of them you’ll do damage in a dance but it’s really not much

[brazen hare]

so just cry and refresh rupture in the meantime

[left ledge]

I mean our burst is pretty high so

[brazen hare]

alright tyvm

[short aurora]

Rupture until the next Dopamin hit

[brazen hare]

lmao

[grave delta]

how do I convince my gm to unbench me on stix @tepid trellis 😭

[tepid trellis]

play outlaw

[brazen hare]

feet pix

[tepid trellis]

xD

[grave delta]

grapple out for garbage or what

[tepid trellis]

they are gonna see your dmg when you get balled

[sage pivot]

sure but if i wanna min-max ?

[tepid trellis]

and you AR is on a 2min cd

[paper iron]

i watched a bit of casual

assa looks ok ish on stix

[tepid trellis]

the minmax is what we recommend you to do

if it was worth to infinitely fish for dm stacks

[grave delta]

is it just a 2 week vacation or what...

[tepid trellis]

we would recommend it

[alpine wraith]

only min max about dm is the backstab in dance

[grave delta]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[alpine wraith]

just read the conditions

[paper iron]

i never thought of how outlaw is bad on stix lmao, sounds like the biggest troll ever

[alpine wraith]

there is no more

[grave delta]

oh nvm I thought u were in on stix stealthi

it's actually over

[tepid trellis]

nah im benched

im chilling

digging dirt in lost ark

while i wait

[short aurora]

Benchi

[grave delta]

what if I played some ww..

[tepid trellis]

it makes 0 sense to bring a rogue on it

so

you want as little melee as possible

and as much cleave as you can

and sub does not fit that bill

[undone mesa]

as sub, we still spreading ruptures all time in packs?

[paper iron]

also no good loot on it

[undone mesa]

or just a few?

[paper iron]

besides the token which is whatever

[grave delta]

only when u are farming ur cds back

[undone mesa]

k!

ty

[paper iron]

outside of dance, if it will survive long enough, blablabla, old conditions kinda it seems like u already know

[grave delta]

and if the adds live long enough

ye

actually u right already got mythic legs from last vault

but I kinda wanna play the game...

[whole lichen]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[autumn flame]

Rik is actually such a cringe fight holy shit

[tepid trellis]

it was chill

[autumn flame]

we legit had the worst bomb spawns known to man on kill

[grave delta]

rik was fun

reminds me of dust on fyrrak lmao

[paper iron]

i wanted to try this feature

but never did

[autumn flame]

running around singletargeting bombs

[grave delta]

I'm too stupid for mrt visual aid is nice

[paper iron]

i just setup a personnal note with cds on it usually, and after few pulls i dont even need to watch it ever again

i m the kind of dude who learnt his school lesson by rewriting it, reading it thousand times was useless, rewriting it once was enough

[undone mesa]

❤️

[sage pivot]

ok, thanks

[cinder surge]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[keen steppe]

When i go into shadow plates, i have to be rdy 2 dances and symbols? Or is it okay when i have 1 dance rdy and second charge get rdy in 30 secs?

[tepid trellis]

yeh thats fine

[keen steppe]

30 sec is fine or is 40 fine aswell?

Sry for asking that but i want to play well for my m+ group

[ornate heron]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wild hornet]

chat we are back

im staying on rogue

[stray swallow]

yo how yall feeling about crafting a neck? as sub there is like no even half good neck right?

[delicate eagle]

Thistle Tea back on best talent tree for m+?

[lucid jackal]

Other than PvP, nope

[lucid jackal]

Nop

[spark plover]

do we play the mace of galy on off hand ? guild give me for free ?

[lucid jackal]

Nop

[native zodiac]

honestly sub cleave goes kinda hard on stix

problem is just too many melees

[hollow spear]

Is that the liquid reminder thingy?

[hazy breach]

MRT

[paper iron]

thing is, i think the most important part is the 20 first % of bombshell, which is just not a thing melee can do 😔

[stray swallow]

as sub do we care about the main stat gem?

and using other gems to make the crit better?

[tepid trellis]

only way sub does good cleave on stix, is if your other players are doing jackshit

[paper iron]

bombshell damage

this dude went crazy

playing smart taking a talent noone ever take

[final holly]

During shadowblades when we do the back to back SDs, if the 2nd one happens to come up while we're already full combo points do we just send it and skip the backstab or do we do 1 finisher with no SD and then SD -> backstab?

[lucid jackal]

sd > evis > backstab > sectec

[final holly]

Oh prep doesn't get spent until the next combo builder?

[shadow lance]

SoD before sectec

[final holly]

I thought it was just the first gcd after stealth

[lucid jackal]

Yeah ofc

[lucid jackal]

nop first generator

[final holly]

Thanks, I can't read apparently

[shadow lance]

Yep, but if we don't tell everything to people, they ignore it.

[lucid jackal]

very true

[onyx parcel]

So is the 4 piece any good? It looks like it would be but I feel like some people were saying tio was shit

[alpine wraith]

4 piece for sub is very good

for assa not that much

[errant tinsel]

Sub: 2pc meh, 4pc gigagood
Ass: 2pc gigagood, 4pc meh

(For ass, specifically 2pc + 2pc is what makes it super good)

[onyx parcel]

oh, okay dope

[smoky vault]

Yeah but expect some tuning

Can't stay like this

[alpine wraith]

you think they are going to nerf ww warr etc?

who knows

[smoky vault]

ww for sure

[hazy breach]

Ww and mage for sure

Unless they do only buffs

[alpine wraith]

yea fire mage is weird

didnt seem that op until you saw 3 or 4 on a boss

and were ah

so this like a full mechanics class and still does almost top dmg

[smoky vault]

They will bring 4 PC for everyone around 10 / 13% max I guess

[tranquil garden]

really hate how modern fire mage is such high apm

[smoky vault]

Some are 7- 10 and other 18%

That's no sense

[alpine wraith]

i was actually quite happy with sub burst bursta

but ehehe

we just got tier nerfed and baseline buffed

[smoky vault]

Tricky to tune sub

[alpine wraith]

a bit sad they decided to buff builders again

[tranquil garden]

I remember so long ago, they decided they wanted ranged classes to have to stand still. then they crept fire mage apm up and up and up...stand still? what's that?

[smoky vault]

They must stop to play with damage on BIG skill but rather make it funnier with CD reduction (like fire mage) or just rise baseline backstab / shadowstrike damage for better ST sustain for both spec. Cause rising damage on DoTs and other things that make AoE will be too OP for M+

[alpine wraith]

nono sustain dps is contraty to sub

like anthitesis demon

it already resurged once and got vanished to the nether

like it shoudl

[smoky vault]

Yeah but currently it's too bad to me

Too much difference between burst and outside

[brisk raptor]

@tepid trellis any particular reason you crafted your neck with runed crest?

[lucid jackal]

That is just the way the spec works and kinda has worked most of the time

[smoky vault]

Spec should be a niche to play when timers are great (i.e Rik) and Assa be the goto for sustain but heh... waiting for tuning

[lucid jackal]

Probably spent crests before they added the 2nd spark

[hazy breach]

Its the free hc craft from killing gallywix quest

Not with crests

[brisk raptor]

Ahh makes sense. I wonder why no craft with gilded. Just saving those crests for more important items I suppose

[tepid trellis]

^

ALSO

i crafted that like 3 hours ago

am i getting stalked?

[bleak night]

mike is in your walls

[short radish]

he has a rss feed to your armory

[alpine wraith]

same

ended with 45 crests

so could not get second one

[lucid jackal]

The only piece of farmable gear in missing rn is PVP gloves

which I might do tomorrow

Juiced (I have no mythic gear)

[alpine wraith]

maybe next week i can change my shoulders from lfr to hc

big upgradew

[tidal copper]

why do I want to use Backstab when Premed is up instead of Shadowstrike?

[ebon oyster]

DM stack

[kind bluff]

What is the reasoning behind after premed is up?

[tidal copper]

ah, bc of the "different attack used" part of Dance Macabre?

[paper iron]

full cp

[ebon oyster]

ye

old perk with DM tbh

[tidal copper]

👍

[ebon oyster]

been a thing in slands too

at some points it was worth to backstab under certain conditions

not slands, dragonflight

[lucid jackal]

It randomly becomes worth, and not worth

Right now its randomly better to do it

[ebon oyster]

real

[hazy breach]

They should make backstab turn into shadowstrike automatically so its never worth

Because i dont like it

[lucid jackal]

I kinda like it

[jaunty umbra]

Based

[ebon oyster]

can my transmitter turn into house of cards

i dont like it either

[lucid jackal]

Real tho

[tidal marsh]

My Transmitter turned into an HC House of Cards

[ebon oyster]

when your tank stands still on pull for 20 pulls

[tidal marsh]

(on my monk)

[ebon oyster]

and then randomly moves the boss 5yds

while you have stand in circle

[lucid jackal]

Me watching the orb float outside of the map

[ebon oyster]

i might just force assa on some bosses

rogue is cosmetic anyway

[lucid jackal]

Sub is more fun so I'm gonna keep playing sub

[hazy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[paper iron]

real

[lilac stag]

can rogue turn into a dps spec

[paper iron]

nah that would be op

imagine

[alpine wraith]

dont worry only 3 months left for the dinar

[modest delta]

hooooly moley

first pull of cinderbrew 20mdps

well just about

[alpine wraith]

wait solo is back again pog

[lusty solar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ornate heron]

how you do that as sub?

black powder seems to hit for nothing..

[alpine wraith]

black powder hits quite hard

[modest delta]

it does if you danse macabre or whatever

stack it

[hoary lotus]

In like a 7 when you pull everytbing

Otherwise you're doing bottom dps on that pull with any real aoe spec 🙂

[warm marlin]

huh sub's mass aoe is pretty good

it's not gonna outburst unholy or anything

the worst part of cinderbrew is flag coming back up as you're fighting chewie after and sending it to kill him so your 2min friends can blast the next pull

[hoary lotus]

Subs aoe is not good compared to warlock, boomie, ele, unholy, any any other 3 min class

You lose mass aoe

[hazy breach]

3 min class?

Bro is playing in 2018

[bleak night]

lmao

[hoary lotus]

[buoyant gale]

Heyo! coming back to Wow and playing my sub rogue again. Just a little curious about SoD, usage since it has charges now. Do we use it in the same sense When Dance is about to Cap Charges and i'm assuming SoD is about Cap charges aswell?

[warm marlin]

[hoary lotus]

Like it's not bad, but it's not good

[paper iron]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[tidal copper]

Can Evasion avoid the stun on Rik?

[west tide]

yes

[tidal copper]

very cool

[short radish]

i have never hated transmitter more than on mythic rik reverb

[swift tinsel]

can also evasion the nail gun in floodgate if you don't wanna get spam pinned

[patent crystal]

Looking forward to using transmitter on sprocket

[wispy jasper]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker