subtlety

[pulsar gate]

main hand dagg not worth?

675 wep seems fat

[summer cloud]

thanks

[small juniper]

yes thats good ofc

[alpine wraith]

most people are talking about the second craft

[bleak night]

yeah that was said with the assumption that you've already crafted a weapon

bc its by far the best first craft you couldve done

[hazy breach]

Ye my bad edited to emphasize that i only meant crafting offhand is bad

Mainhand is utmost priority

[drifting fable]

sheesh

[paper iron]

what if i craft an int dagger as offhand in case i dual spec with healer rogue?

i m kidding it s fiiiiiiine dont throw barrels at me

[pulsar gate]

intersting that oh is that bad

[small juniper]

lower stat budget than bracers

[pulsar gate]

wow

[small juniper]

and doesnt rly contribute much dps

[pulsar gate]

so 675 MH is super prio

im lvling rn have no idea what im doing got a lot to learn here

[small juniper]

if u have any questions u can always dm @hazy breach or @tepid trellis

[paper iron]

i dont remember how off hand stuff is calculated, but just know that it s the worst upgrade u can probably have at any point

[hazy breach]

[tepid trellis]

[paper iron]

what s the deal with off hand stats / attack damage already knowledge people?

[pulsar gate]

lol

[languid mortar]

does anyone know if anyone is working on the sub wowanalyzer?

[modest delta]

@tepid trellis with that dps profile u sent me for rik

what did u parse?

[tepid trellis]

100

[modest delta]

im doing huge barrel dps but shididdy parse

[paper iron]

he parsed private so 0, in reality

[modest delta]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VN6kFvmr3htpnfRa?fight=32&type=damage-done

32 lmaoo

with 216m barrel dps at 37%

[paper iron]

u owning them

[modest delta]

but my parse is ASS

[paper iron]

second sub totally out of the equation

[modest delta]

thats allt hat matters smh

[paper iron]

give him the secret !

[modest delta]

ig it'll get better whent he boss is dead

DX

im like green/blue every pull with insane barrel dps

[tepid trellis]

my prog kill was rank 1 as well

but got beaten 3 minutes later

by 20k or so

[pulsar gate]

is sec tec macro

[modest delta]

maybe its just me

[pulsar gate]

just cast cb cast sec tec?

[slim hatch]

what do you exactly press if your supposed to hold coup de grace in certain situations to dump combo points?

[paper iron]

3mn on the throne, sounds like an healthi poop time

[tepid trellis]

BP

[tepid trellis]

yes it just casts CB before Sectech

[slim hatch]

thank you

[paper iron]

lmao stealthi i m watching exile, he just presses feint like on cd and yet he s still almost dying to anything

it s an outlaw boss for sure, i wont press feint that many times as sub trust me

[tepid trellis]

yeh mugzee is not okay

[paper iron]

i thought of elu but he said, and reasonnably i think, that cheat is just too good on this boss also

[tepid trellis]

too much room for error

[paper iron]

the constant damage on this boss is scary, and they re 5 healing it

[tepid trellis]

and cheat will save that

[paper iron]

knowing how my guild usually do we probably will get to this boss prenerf to kill it after it s first nerf week after, i dont wanna suffer like hiiiiiiiim

[pulsar gate]

do u guys use CB macro or no?

1% is 1%

[tepid trellis]

he will be nerfed just after rwf

the boss is not remotely doable for a normal guid

[paper iron]

we dont cuz

i mean, i m thinking of tindral, it got nerfed way after the rwf nah?

[tepid trellis]

2 diff sectech keybinds, one with the macro and one without

[tepid trellis]

it got nerfed during rwf

as they were on it

[paper iron]

yea ofc there was balance during it

[tepid trellis]

and it was nerfed twice while i was on it

[small juniper]

biggest nerf was the seed timings on 2nd platform

[paper iron]

i m mostly talking about the version of it when it got killed

[tepid trellis]

they upped the seed timer

like 2 days after i started prog

or smth like that

[alpine wraith]

being able to not double soak seeds

[paper iron]

less seeds, more times

[alpine wraith]

was the biggest for us

[tepid trellis]

then they nerfed beams + feathers

as we were in p3

reverted the feathers the day after

then added them again

was fun

[hazy breach]

Tbf assa with elusiveness is like as tanky as sub is by default

[tepid trellis]

i wasent mad at all

[paper iron]

real

[alpine wraith]

it reminds me of doing kil jaeden

boss got changed like 6 times on prog

sadly im not in the big boi club anymore

[paper iron]

you re a priest on alliance? You cant do kiljaeden cuz no goblin gg

KJ was something, wasnt playing wow this expac but i followed it, was fun

[alpine wraith]

the hardest was dark phase with no gripping adds

[paper iron]

legion raids just looked awesome imo, i wish i played them

[alpine wraith]

that one was unreal until they changed it

i didnt get to live the dark part with knockbacks

exorsus had a fun time on thjere

[paper iron]

yea i remember this part, KJ just looked so hard, pretty sure it killed many many many guilds

[alpine wraith]

avatar killed more

if you killed avatar you could kill KJ

it just took time

around 900 pulls for us

[small juniper]

miss dfa

best sub tier

[paper iron]

was it? From a spectator view avatar looked like a dps check / find the strat to kill it

[small juniper]

[paper iron]

gosh 900 puuls

last boss of nighthold looked also hard asf

guldan it was?

[hazy breach]

P1 avatar big stinky

WA boss

Guldan was alright, but it was like 16 minutes long

[alpine wraith]

also rng boss depending who got chosen

[paper iron]

16mn

[old venture]

loved wasting 40 pulls figuring out feather positioning and the flying

[alpine wraith]

i didnt like gul dan that much

[paper iron]

i dont remember that

[old venture]

only for them to toss 2 more feathers for no reason

[alpine wraith]

it was super krangled for rogue

[hazy breach]

Ye lots of rogues also played defensive legendaries and stood afk in the middle of the room spamming feint for a minute

[paper iron]

that s a way to learn how to play pvp

[alpine wraith]

yea i was one of those

valeeras legs

zzzzzzzz

you also died for the team in last phase soaking 3 illidan frontals from tank

[small juniper]

did any of u get to play sub boots pre nerf

most fun ever

[alpine wraith]

nah first tier i was SP

god makes me forget

but i cant

[small juniper]

perma dance + 200k dps higher than 2nd highest dps

[paper iron]

[small juniper]

great experience

[hazy breach]

I unironically think current sub is my favourite iteration ive played.

[alpine wraith]

yea current sub is cool

[paper iron]

i truly like it yea

[alpine wraith]

problem i have is split dmg

[small juniper]

its nice to not feel useless on 2-4 targets

[paper iron]

it feels like u can do so much different thing without doing dust shenningan

[small juniper]

was usually the problem

[paper iron]

90s cd sub was just the idea since the begining

[alpine wraith]

yea now our cds dont care that much about target count

now that blades affects sec tech too

[paper iron]

yea trickster helps a lot on the damage profile i feel like

[alpine wraith]

it is very noticeble

[dawn summit]

sub right now is weird, bc this iteration is really good, but it feels frustratingly close to being perfect

[old venture]

[hazy breach]

Like ye theres some things that could be improved, but overall im having a great time.

[alpine wraith]

well we have burst

[old venture]

that's been every good iteration of every rogue spec the last ~5 years

[alpine wraith]

but they also teased us with VERY VERY bigger burst

and then took it

from us

[paper iron]

what ya thinking about?

[alpine wraith]

and just slapped some aura buffs

and BUFFED BUILDERS AGAIN

[old venture]

as is the life of a yellow class

[alpine wraith]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

my blood pressure just went up

[paper iron]

not having to press snd also, i mean, just saying it feels like a dream ngl

[paper iron]

shadowstrike hits like a truck it s kinda fun

didnt follow what happened, did blizzard closed the boss?

[alpine wraith]

i didnt need 1.7 mil shadowstrikes in my menu

[paper iron]

or they just taking a break?

[alpine wraith]

i wanted the 20m sec tech hits

[swift tinsel]

Same, I want the biggest bonks

[hazy breach]

• Find weakness is kinda weird with how we need to use rotten storm, but the storm doesnt proc unseen blade so we sometimes lose our coup in dance for something that to me feels completely unnecessary.
• Backstab in dance isnt particularly enjoyable to me, wish they just made backstab turn into strike
• Deathstalker still has issues

[swift tinsel]

not bigger binks

[alpine wraith]

deathstalker aoe

[small juniper]

yeah blizzard turned off the boss, they ran the numbers and they have the information. its unkillable

[alpine wraith]

would make people commit crimes

[hazy breach]

In its current form it seems to me like find weakness just doesnt serve any purpose

[swift tinsel]

Agreed, its just an outdated relic

[hazy breach]

(obv compensate for the damage loss and make shadowed finisher work anyway if it were to be removed)

[swift tinsel]

it does nothing interesting

[hazy breach]

So either it should be removed or reworked into something that makes more sense

[alpine wraith]

yea fw rn and shadowed just

are there

to be there

kinda like PV and goremaw and others

[swift tinsel]

Just make it cause full shadow damage in dance

[alpine wraith]

like clear lack of time

[swift tinsel]

no split

[alpine wraith]

on iterating the spec

when i look at assa

i see oh that makes sense in x situation

on sub im like

da fuq

[paper iron]

yea i agree on your points, i dont like sending storm in dance, it doesnt feel good i cant explain why
bs in dance is a thing that shouldnt exists i totally agree, but at the same time it s not mandatory so idk idk, it s just us running too much calculation to find the best thing, but i totally agree, like mut/amb or sinister/ambush for ho, should turn into ss
deathstalker is cool as assa, never played it as sub but i guess having to proc a full cp evis can sometimes leads to a big waste of cp and feels clunky

[alpine wraith]

btw goremaw still does not cleave

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[paper iron]

when they introduced goremaw i was kinda excited, but they just forget about it i feel like. Even though they buffed numbers couple time or so

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker is plagued (hehe) with bugs for sub, most things just arent working properly. But my main gripe is that darkest night sucks in aoe

So much so that its technically a gain to actively try to avoid proccing it

(not a small one either, its like +6% in simc)

But its really obnoxious and horrible to play

[paper iron]

oh bad at that point, i can totally see that

[alpine wraith]

i mean goremaw does 3 times or so less dmg now than it did in legion

[swift tinsel]

Should have left hero trees as one per spec instead of sharing so you don't have to try and make it fit two diff kits

imo

[alpine wraith]

legion had 800% ap

this one is 300%

like how and why

who though

making something do 2 times and a half less dmg than it should

or when we had sepsis it didnt have any of the cool talents/conduits etc

[paper iron]

they ll turn dance macabre to 30% more damage per stack and we will throw a goremaw just to buff our last gcd in dance, trust trust

[hazy breach]

Like you know how it says on darkest night that your eviscerate does 60% more? Ye since that +60% isnt working on shadowed finisher its actually more like 40%, its exactly the same with the other eviscerate or black powder buffs in the tree

Lingering shadows also doesnt buff sectech

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn't be mad if they reworked danse

[hazy breach]

[paper iron]

as much as i enjoyed fae, i HATED SEPSIS

it was cool in pvp with MA as assa tho

bleeds up, vendetta, sepsis, vanish, wait to leave the arena

[paper iron]

weirdly i m not even suprised, sounds like classical rogue bugs done by blizzard

[hazy breach]

Like how the +20% shadow damage from our tierset only works on sectech like 1/3 of the time

[alpine wraith]

oh that shit still happens

[hazy breach]

(unless its been fixed with this reset, but i doubt that)

[alpine wraith]

kek

[paper iron]

hey here a tooltip, actually it s not really what u think it is, it s like, evis but not evis u know the evis when u evis but not really evis like not lil evis but not big evis either, just evis evis, u know, the evis one

[alpine wraith]

havent tried

[paper iron]

☝️ 🤓

i remember s3 SL

[alpine wraith]

i dont

[paper iron]

the tier set wasnt working for outlaw from 9.2 to 9.2.5

[alpine wraith]

i hit my head a lot to forget

[paper iron]

[swift tinsel]

If they just fucking told us when they fix stuff we wouldn't have to guess lol

[alpine wraith]

fuck that tier set

so much

[paper iron]

wasnt the tier set juste shadowcraft kinda?

i dont remember really

[swift tinsel]

kinda

[alpine wraith]

no it was rng shadowstrikes

[swift tinsel]

cleaved strike sometimes

[paper iron]

i jsut remember it made me evis back to back

OH YHEA

[alpine wraith]

and they could proc blades

[swift tinsel]

and gave blades

[paper iron]

ZEARNIAZIRBNZAIRV

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[swift tinsel]

like a lot

[alpine wraith]

fuck that one so much

[paper iron]

THE STRIKE CLONES

[swift tinsel]

I think stealthi has a log with like 85-90% blades uptime

[alpine wraith]

i NEVER EVER EVER

[paper iron]

he cheating, no wonder

[alpine wraith]

got above 60%

and everyone was getting like 70 to 80 sometimes 90

[paper iron]

but i liked sub on halondrus

[swift tinsel]

There were a few when I had over 70-80

[paper iron]

no parry on this sub iteration felt good

[lilac stag]

You’re starting to sound like Hacha 🦖

[alpine wraith]

i tried hard to make goremaw do something but turns out

no one needs a 4m hit every 45 secs

when that is literally ONE HALF of a sec tech

maybe the crackheads that play tea and have 100 extra energy can use it

to get two extra storms

[twilit phoenix]

did blizz servers just die again

[alpine wraith]

eu ones are fine

maybe NA are on fire again

[twilit phoenix]

NA servers are in shambles lately

[alpine wraith]

have been chill crafting

[twilit phoenix]

legit embarrassing

[alpine wraith]

server infra is costly to maintain likely the extra power contract expired

and they decided to not renew or at a lower capacity

[paper iron]

they just fix stuff for NA so liquid can win

as usual

THAT S A JOKE AGAIN

[alpine wraith]

iirc they dont run physical servers for a long time

[alpine wraith]

at least no shuriken tornados on the menu

[lilac stag]

This is what Chicago server hub is dealing with

[alpine wraith]

oh some servers are there rip

[lilac stag]

Half of them

The other half are LA

[alpine wraith]

can you force the instance to change instance server like in some games

never tried in EU

[pulsar gate]

so i dont need snd bound?

[alpine wraith]

i still have it for m+

some pulls dont want to kill tier set so i rupture

and that can make snd go a bit lower than intended

[lilac stag]

Easy way to spend cps for cdr

[alpine wraith]

so after the pull dies if i have cps i rupture

for cdr

first strike will fill cps anyway

[paper iron]

yea i still have snd bound but to a further away keybind, i mostly use it in between pulls for the cdr, u can totally live without it

what a change

which feels weird cuz i ve used the same keybind for snd since like, bc

[alpine wraith]

yea even when it disappeared for a while i still just have it

on shift mouse up

[paper iron]

shift E here

now it s on, i dont even know, T maybe 🤔

either T or 6

[alpine wraith]

ok liquid is back

[pulsar gate]

Sub hard

Gotta hit the dummy for a few

[small juniper]

dont be afraid to ask here if u have any questions

mods are always happy to help

[pulsar gate]

I will, and I appreciate it

I just gotta get the initial wtf am I doing reps in and re read a few

But seems like this will be quite satisfying to learn. Rogue also brings so much to a key

[inner hazel]

Good evening, can any of you tell me if the smart mistirect/trick aura is still working?

[strong ingot]

In the same boat bud, coming back from SL where I was always just outlaw mostly - think I have the sequencing on my buttons right but struggling with the cadence of spec and when to squeeze in dances on/out of cooldowns

[spice monolith]

u had me counting targets tonight ty

[shrewd shadow]

what pvp trinket are we using if we dont have loc or cards?

[rose pond]

pretty new to Sub, is stat priority vers>mast>crit>haste

[lilac stag]

The nice thing is, even if you send an evis over a BP no biggie.

[sturdy moat]

what did u guys spend 2nd spark on ? is getting a neck a good idea? there are no vers mast necks and its would be a large upgrade for me'

[shrewd shadow]

i did boots and cape

[sturdy moat]

i spent 1st spark on wep

[chrome flax]

Yeah, I think I will do the same with my 2ndspark

[solemn creek]

saME

[alpine wraith]

they killed it!

[lilac stag]

big assa dam in last phase

[tribal blade]

me and my buddy got tricked by an azralon player

they do that thing where they swap servers to something like illidan

but are actually in an azralon guild

so he spam died at the start of a key and then eventually dc'd

classic

[ornate heron]

what are you guys crafting second?

isnt the pvp neck almost as good as the crafted neck?

[tribal blade]

i did this

with the free heroic crest

[ornate heron]

giga

[fallen depot]

if you didnt get spark before blizz handed out the free one?

are u cooked

[vagrant sinew]

no

[fallen depot]

i did a awakening the machine and no fragment dropped D:

[vagrant sinew]

free one is a quest you can just get the normal one

[lilac stag]

I did focusing neck

[steel horizon]

cloak from mechagon looks good though no?

heavy vers

[tribal blade]

i have a pretty nice neck with avoidance so decided against neck

[vagrant sinew]

try the delve weekly

[tribal blade]

i feel like it's kinda w/e at this point, since i was using the free heroic crest to craft it's not a huge deal which slot i put it in

fuu also has crafted cloak in his bis setup

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel horizon]

yeah not a huge deal either way i guess

[tribal blade]

just tried a 13 and it's already much easier to dps

[steel horizon]

my plan is to craft neck, gloves, boots since those are the only slots w/o vers/mas

[tribal blade]

with sub's cds

[steel horizon]

its feeling pretty good in keys ngl

just cant wait till i can drop transmitter HOLY

i despise minigame trinkets

[earnest reef]

if i aint going for mythic rik, is crafting a second dagger a good move? or better to craft neck/gloves/boots

[alpine wraith]

dagger is last craft

just run a hc or m+ one

any other slot depending on your choices youc an sim

[earnest reef]

thanks mate

[steel horizon]

yea offhand isnt that impactful but probably best to sim just to be sure

[steep hemlock]

why when u sim ur char itt never shows it doing backstab after dance

[bleak wind]

the bran changes made it possible but its still a challenge

[obtuse orbit]

if flawless is up do i still backstab? or is it still storm for cp gen

assuming i SS if in dance and flawless up

[tribal blade]

which weekly quest gives the spark again

[obtuse orbit]

i just talked to the dude at cata station and got it

if you already got your first one

if not, then i think its the 100 disc

[young mural]

did the neck

was by far my worst slot and strong craft later on

[obtuse shard]

anyone know if the knife trinket is still in delve loot pool this season

[short radish]

no

[dry plank]

Do all of them

[tribal blade]

i just learnt you can go into a key with full tier stacks

[bleak ice]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[stable viper]

!craft

[steel zinc]

Wrist was my last s1 item

[steel zinc]

Do dagger first then anything with the hc one that is still pepega itemlevel

[clever delta]

Ass rogue on mugzee 😴

[dry plank]

Who?

[umbral topaz]

What spec and whats your gear like? Was planning on trying it soon again 🤔

[balmy sand]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[signal heath]

Man sub is so fun haha

[bleak wind]

654 just normal sub ST talents, don't really think gear matters all that much tbf,

[young mural]

da big numba

[umbral topaz]

Nah i imagine its all about kicking the bombs and not getting crit by boss melee 😀
Will try after reset when i get new 4-set i guess

[calm perch]

Hey, im running into issues with Sub. Anyone wanna hop in a call and help me iron out a few things? I can pay a few thousand gold if needed lol

[clever delta]

Wow

[woven jay]

I can jump in for a bit

[young mural]

your pfp 💀

[calm perch]

You legend!

[ornate lake]

Bruh i'm running out of keybinds so i replaced black powder with unmacroed sectech. Total funnel supremacy

Worth it i guess

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cloud kestrel]

Does anyone else in delves have issues with healer Brann taking aggro regardless of dps? I can pull like 2M dps and Brann still holding aggro off me

Until he dies

Only happens on my rogue

[young mural]

yhea idk, delves and brann are kind of buggy

[azure mauve]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[young mural]

675 dagger is huge, insane dps upgrade for me

didnt expect a 200k increase in dps

[ornate lake]

I crafted a 675 focusing lens wrist with no sockets. Will it do any damage or nah

[molten citrus]

You just have to have a socket somewhere, doesn’t matter on which piece of gear

[ornate lake]

giga

ty

[round latch]

thats some wicked achievement points

[bleak wind]

Ye, I've done a few

[stable pilot]

is it worth it to craft a neck? the dfc neck seems bad cuz of the too high crit

[tulip token]

23 runs of floodgate. Trinket dropped twice for tanks. Both of them said they needed it. Please pray for me. I have collected 2 of every item I can get except the trinket

[jaunty umbra]

I've got it first key. I give you my blessing

[ornate heron]

what trinket?

[wicked urchin]

i crafted neck

a lot of the big guns here did too

bis set may not use a crafted neck but you're far more likely to find upgrades for things like boots even if the stats arent perfect

that was my thought anyway

[stable pilot]

yea, did it as well, same thought

[wicked urchin]

and i can minmax that later in the tier when i don't care about crests anymore

[stable pilot]

neck from dcf isn't perfect stats as well.. all the farmable necks are kinda bad imo

[wicked urchin]

665 dfc neck simmed worse than my 645 world quest neck

or rarespawn idk

buddy treated me nicely

[stable pilot]

that s actually a good neck 😄

[wicked urchin]

i think it was from my first pinnacle cache or something

which was convenient because i was only playing assa last tier

[stable pilot]

how are your stats? i run with 71 mastery and 20 vers

[wicked urchin]

this atm

[stable pilot]

lol, you're really farmed :))

what dungeons are you running now?

[wicked urchin]

just workshop really

need a belt real bad

[ionic shadow]

Anyone with some spare time who could look at a Sprocketmonger kill log of mine? Felt like I played okay but only parsed 70, would appreciate some tips/insight

[wicked urchin]

did you not craft a dagger? or is that a myth from vault

i'd recommend farming the pvp trinket since you dont have transmitter/HoC

[stable pilot]

not yet, played only 3 days since the release, so had no time to farm crests

[wicked urchin]

ah, i'd definitely have crafted dagger before neck then

just do it next

i was assuming you were talking about second craft

[stable pilot]

yea, neck is 658 too. don't have gilded yet

[wicked urchin]

ah that makes much more sense ye thats fine

get the pvp trinket though

[valid vault]

are wrists a good craft for us?

already have weapon craft

[keen dome]

Sim and see, imo

[valid vault]

i mean it will be an upgrade just wondering if theres a slot that we will never have a good piece of that we want the craft in

[tiny garden]

Hi everyone, tell me what you craft from the second spark, I'm thinking of making a neck

[lilac stag]

Neck

[blissful gale]

Neck

[tiny garden]

Do I understand correctly that making a neck won't be a mistake?

[valid vault]

crit vers neck not good for us?

[tiny garden]

vers mastery ?

[keen dome]

Sim yourselves to see the difference but there's no vers / mast neck outside crafting it, so.

[tiny garden]

Can you tell me if there is some required level of characteristics?

and sorry in advance for my English, I have to write from a translator(

[keen dome]

Crafted will be 675, the only other alternative (I believe?) is the Glowtorc which would cap at 678 but you'd have to get it in Myth vault which may be difficult-to-impossible. You can sim and see the difference but Neck does seem to be the absolute safest slot.

[glass jasper]

Can also just do whatever is your worst slot as of today, you will get another spark in 2 weeks. So even if neck is theoretical bis craft, you can make it in 2 weeks if you want too

[tribal blade]

i think i can hit 3k this week

[keen dome]

I believe

[tribal blade]

i have a 14 workshop and my enhance has a 14 priory

those both sound horrendous

[glass jasper]

Gl! Hope you make it!

[tribal blade]

ty!

[keen dome]

Priory spooky

workshop probably not so bad

[tribal blade]

i actually prefer priory to workshop ngl

[glass jasper]

Drop one to 12 and +2 it and hope for something nicer?

[tribal blade]

priory has a lot less dodging

[dry plank]

Workshop first pull is awful as melee

[tribal blade]

it's HORRIBLE

[dry plank]

I have nightmares about it

[tribal blade]

i think it's my least favorite pull of the entire season

blizz really decided to make melee suffer this season

[dry plank]

I’m hitting cheap shot here and there

Fuk dps

[tribal blade]

but you also want to blow it up before anything bad can happen

[glass jasper]

Surviving is dps 😁

[dry plank]

Mass kidney would make life so much easier

We have only mass blind sad

[dry plank]

True

[tribal blade]

mass kidney would be cool if your current target got stunned full duration

and surrounding mobs like 30-40ish% duration

[dry plank]

Yeah imagine dragon roar to extend and mass kidney for 10sec

[glass jasper]

All full duration, and supercharge kidney

[dry plank]

Shit will die instantly

[glass jasper]

Everything stunned for a montg

Month

[tribal blade]

there's no way they would allow 8 second aoe kidney

it would break M+

rogues would be required

[glass jasper]

Haha yea

[tribal blade]

for every key

[glass jasper]

But would be fun

[tribal blade]

it WOULD be fun

rogues are currently on the light side for utility in keys, so getting aoe kidney would be cool

[dry plank]

Make cd like 1 min for it and not require

[glass jasper]

Yea something would be good

Or maybe just make mass blind not break from damage for 3-4 sec?

Or smth like that

[dry plank]

Stun is rogue theme but everyone got mass stuns except stungodx class

[tribal blade]

our ST stuns are actually insane though

[dry plank]

Or make cheap apply to 3 near targets

[tribal blade]

i abused kidney and cheapshot in a 12 ML i ran earlier

it makes a massive difference

[dry plank]

That would be also banger

[tribal blade]

the boss with the adds that fixate ranged

i throw out kidneys on them so the ranged can plant and dps

also the bombs in the last area

the mines

[glass jasper]

Yea I ran a key where i kept everything stunned alot of pulls and all went smooth the entire ML

[tribal blade]

6 second cheapshot, 8 second kidney

[glass jasper]

Then healer cracks "rogue start doing something your damage sucks"

[tribal blade]

it's disgustingly good

[glass jasper]

People

Dance mass cheap

[dry plank]

I was blamed in workshop that did small damage on first pull

[glass jasper]

Very underrated

[dry plank]

I did like 2 kidneys and 5 cheaps during it

And mage were complaining

[zenith thorn]

random question are u focusing flags on ToP boss?

[tribal blade]

you're carrying

[zenith thorn]

or just cleave them

[tribal blade]

which boss?

[dry plank]

Hate mages tbh they are toxic and commonly shit players

[zenith thorn]

the one that duels and summons a slow flag

[glass jasper]

I just stand next to them and let them die to cleave

[tribal blade]

i use flag on the boss, not the banner

[zenith thorn]

Xav i thik its called

[glass jasper]

Havnt done it very high tho

[tribal blade]

because if the banner dies quickly it cuts your flag short

use flag on boss, then swap to banner

[glass jasper]

So maybe you need to focus it in higher keys

Not sure

[zenith thorn]

no i meant do you focus the banner rather lol

or just cleave it

had issues on it on a 12

[tribal blade]

but honestly you can just cleave with nimble and kill the banner focusing boss

[zenith thorn]

ah

[tribal blade]

when you're in cds your cleave is very big

[zenith thorn]

i hate that boss so much

[tribal blade]

it's not so bad

[glass jasper]

If I am in backstabmode i usually tickle banner

[tribal blade]

you let people kill you when you get sent down

watch the timer for banners and hold dance+symbols+sectec for when they spawn

if it's close

you can usually solo a banner with a single dance

[tribal blade]

you should be able to vanish off the slow too

that the banner puts out

iirc

haven't had to do it yet because the banner gets blown up every time, but i'm pretty sure you can

[zenith thorn]

oh really thats good to know lol, yeah i mean two of them are easy to dodge lol u just shadow step

[tribal blade]

yeah being a rogue on that boss is pretty chill

i think i feel super comfortable in ToP because i ran that place a billion times during SL

at title range levels

[full pollen]

anyone got a custom APL to sim all crafted items so i only have to select the ones i want to compare ?

[lilac stag]

#tc-research has text file item lists. You’ll have to do the rest.

[full pollen]

ah perfect ty

[weary shard]

curious, what makes sub that much more popular/good in m+ and maybe even raid compared to sin/outlaw?

[brazen stone]

sin single target sucks ass

[molten citrus]

Sin is fine in both

Outlaw is too really, it’s just not commonly used for prog ever

Burst/execute specs tend to be favored in prog

[honest grail]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[true citrus]

Do you guys find it easy to diff people as sub on the meters?

[honest grail]

Yeah if they're not ele

[weary shard]

just confused why i mainly see sub in m+

[molten citrus]

lots of people progging as sub

this early on there isn't any set meta bs really

[lone halo]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

I wonder if they do some tuning next reset

[lilac stag]

Majority of rogues played assa, when sub was very similar position in S1. People look to change things up when rogue got no changes. Sub got a bit of hype on PTR when tier was broken. More people willing to try it. Assa is either aoe or st which isn’t great right now. MM hunter has similar issue. Sub can cleave and has cds for every pack once you get high enough key level.

[hazy breach]

Almost surely will

[hollow spear]

ww might get clapped

[lilac stag]

mw says hi

[short radish]

bm begs to be noticed

[keen dome]

They're gonna buff black powder again. I can feel it in my purples.

[hazy breach]

Surely monk doesnt get nerfed

[lilac stag]

surely rogue gets a buff (to CT & BP)

[keen dome]

Oh, no. I've got it.

"Increased backstab damage by 4%"

[short radish]

okay lets not get too crazy

[keen dome]

5%!!!

[vale pine]

better nerf subtlety once more

[keen dome]

Reduced backstab damage by 5%?

[lilac stag]

range and WW eating well right now.

[jaunty heath]

Tier set stacks reduced to 6

[jaunty heath]

The tier itself favors ranged a whole lot

This time around melee dooming might actually be true for once

We doom every raid testing but for once we were right

[lilac stag]

m+ as well. Though not as greatly.

[keen dome]

Yeah, just some annoying outliers in M+

Mostly rookery

[jaunty heath]

Yeah, m+ was always a bit ranged favored tho

[short radish]

I SURE LOVE 2ND BOSS ROOKERY

[keen dome]

fuck that corridor

[jaunty umbra]

not this shit again smh

[keen dome]

fuck the second boss 😠

[jaunty heath]

2nd boss rookery is gg

[keen dome]

"I'm just gonna cloak and send cooldowns fuck y'all"

[lilac stag]

I’m enjoying the raid

[keen dome]

Healers adjust

[jaunty heath]

Lemme jump into an aoe, cast a dot in the aoe and also suck you into another aoe

[hazy breach]

I mean not really

[keen dome]

Yeah, raid owns. I have some criticsms from a pug perspective but overall it's really good (not stix)

[hazy breach]

Bunkjunker, yeah

Otherwise nop

[jaunty heath]

One armed bandit?

Mugzee?

[urban stream]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lilac stag]

Did you look at the dmg from liquids kill on mugs?

[jaunty heath]

Altho mugzee I could see more melee sure

But one armed bandit

And the bosses before are w/e

I think gally might be okay for melee actually

[lilac stag]

I saw exile in raid. Not on details.

[jaunty umbra]

so "this tier is so melee unfriendly"

is 1 boss

[jaunty heath]

Wym 1 boss

Are we drunk or

[jaunty umbra]

thats what u just said

?

[jaunty heath]

Vexxie you could kill full melee who cares

Cauldron is a meme too

rik reverb is still w/e
stix needs too many ranged
One armed bandit is ranged
Mugzee is ranged
Gally we don’t know

This raid only has 8 bosses

[hazy breach]

How is mugzee ranged

[lilac stag]

What ultimately matters is raid tuning post RWF.

[hazy breach]

Liquid literally ran 7 melees

[jaunty heath]

Soz I mentioned mugzee again

Mb

Already said I fucked up on that one

[true citrus]

6 rogues for gally

[lilac stag]

Ain’t no one got 6 rogues.

646456 splits for Zul comp

[hollow spear]

Kush will have to multibox

[glass jasper]

Kush can play one rogue with his feet

[void hound]

ehhh

[clever delta]

Sub on mythic gallix

Must be good

Right

Did we see any pulls yet

[void hound]

well yeah cause we got a raid buff smiley face

[jaunty heath]

We already figured out mugzee has a lot of melees

Now show other bosses

[remote vault]

Can anyone explain this part of a sample to me pls, why no evisc

[jade urchin]

to not loose tierset stacks right before second flag window

[remote vault]

ah

[jade urchin]

its not a big gain as far as i know anymore, but if ure at 8 stacks before might as well

[remote vault]

is that written in one of the guides somewhere do you know?:

[jade urchin]

it was before the tierset adjustments

i think it got removed cause its a really minor gain now

u can just blast eviscerate there too

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter really

[remote vault]

everything matters or we wouldnt be in this discord

[hazy breach]

No

If the sim cant discern any difference with 100k iterations

It doesnt matter

[limpid sage]

do we delay cb for 2nd sectec every 1.5 min or is it just in our opener?

[hazy breach]

Every cb

[limpid sage]

also is it purely for max flag stacks that we delay cb or why is the reason

[hazy breach]

Flawless form, flag stacks

[limpid sage]

ty!

[civic lava]

After opener i find that i can still do 2 Dance+SoB+Secrettech before needing to " hold" and stack up symbols and Dance for Flagellation and shadowblade .

Can i launch those Dance+SoB+Sectech as soon as they are up ? should i wait ?

[jade urchin]

second one when cold blood is ready again

else u loose the second cold blood use before next cds

can also hold for damage amps or higher target count obviously

[vale pine]

thats close to flagellation, and as such it does refresh rupture or use BP to keep the coup de grace proc conserved

[civic lava]

Alright but that is the right pattern then ? Opener , " time in between Shadow blade and flagellation let me do 2 symbol+ dance + sectech ( second one with CB)" then hold and do normal roation before All cd Similar to opener

[jade urchin]

yes

[civic lava]

Do i need some kind of WA to track new tier set in any way or can i just let it run passively ? is there any meaningful reward to track it ?

[jade urchin]

no need to have one honestly

just see it as passive tset

[vale pine]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[cursive vapor]

!pooling

[vale pine]

you don't pool

you get enough energy from shadowcraft

[proven plover]

Its doesnt hold Coup there, it only has 2 Stacks. It holds the 8 stack tierset

[vale pine]

ye possible

think the above is just a consequence of the refresh rupture rule

with a special case where it does create a bad sequence

[jade urchin]

how big is the prio damage loss on 10 ish targets when black powdering over eviscerate

is it neglegible or should i stay eviscerating for big prio on some packs

[obtuse shard]

dang I just got gapped so hard in cinderbrew

[vale pine]

its not that big, bp does okay damage

[obtuse shard]

is it assa 1st pull angle

[jade urchin]

i feel like sub pops off that pull, i hit 15-20 mil peaks with 10-15mil end of pull

the pull after sucks tho

[obtuse shard]

1st pull might be ok

but 2nd pull

no dmg

[jade urchin]

ye but thats sub nature

[vestal fog]

How come we have boots as recommended 2nd craft if we got Vers/Mas boots from raid as boe

[tribal blade]

i'm starting to figure out that sub is not represented well on details overall

you're not doing crazy damage overall compared to other specs

but the prio damage on dangerous mobs is actually really good if you choose to funnel evis and cleave with nimble

and also the boss dam is really high

so sub right now is a tradeoff of not looking top tier on overall, but the damage is very ethical in the right places

[keen dome]

We make some bosses die so, so much quicker

[tribal blade]

legit every time i do darkflame and rookery i'm doing by far the most damage to the big dangerous mobs in pulls like the creepers and the elemental void dudes

[jade urchin]

u think so? i feel like my overall end of dungeon is absurd, competing with fire mage pad farming

[tribal blade]

oh yeah sub for sure is doing really good dps

[jade urchin]

details doesnt do the nuking target justice but its not misrepresenting i think

[tribal blade]

but on some of the places with bigger paddy pulls sub isn't exactly topping

[tepid trellis]

sub falls short against stuff like firemage, ele, destro lock on high target counts

but if you just perma pull 8

sub does alot of dmg

[tribal blade]

i'm starting to figure these dungeons out in terms of what big prio mobs needs to die and am adjusting bp vs evis damage accordingly

which also takes a toll on overall

but it makes the run much smoother

all the damage people are doing to the small shitter mobs doesn't really matter

when there's something like a peacekeeper or creeper in the pull

[jade urchin]

my tank loves me for creeper nuking

he appreciates a lot

[tribal blade]

sin is also really good at that

[orchid sand]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

but sub has a massive advantage in ST dam

[jade urchin]

i find sin really unfun cause of super lackluster ST

[upper narwhal]

Yeah even though we do more damage using BP on 7+ targets, sometimes it’s still more useful damage to Evis

[tribal blade]

depends on the pull for sure

[tribal blade]

btw destro lock aoe is kinda bonkers holy

ran with one earlier

a guildie of mine posted his vault in our vault competition channel

wtf is going on here

everyone knows this guy smokes a lot of pot, but there's no way he gets THIS high

[lilac stag]

If it’s not BiS it’s

[molten citrus]

AZZ AZZ AZZ

[tardy solar]

guess we know hes an ass man

[tribal blade]

asz?

azs

[molten citrus]

asz

[tribal blade]

i do like me some asz 😉

[molten citrus]

surely he just sims and picks the biggest upgrade

[tribal blade]

my RL likes to see our vaults to help us decide what to take on the first few weeks while we're trying to get everyone 4pc

we've already had instances of people doing really dumb stuff with their vaults

one of my guildies who used to raid with us took a socket on the 1st week of the tier

no meme

[keen dome]

😨

[tribal blade]

"nothing in here is bis, better take a socket"

[molten citrus]

people do be peopleing

[molten citrus]

[tribal blade]

one of the decisions of all time

[molten citrus]

only 5% upgrades? fuck you. i take socket.

[tribal blade]

myth track item? sorry not bis, that's for peasants

[molten citrus]

ME. TAKE. SOCKET.

[tribal blade]

i need to put a hole in my normal tier

[keen dome]

I require to be BEDAZZLED

[molten citrus]

Do people still use rio to find teams these days

Like the recruitment type function or w/e

[tribal blade]

i honestly have no idea

usually people link up via lfg

it's better in general

because you play with someone first, then you link up

the vetting process takes care of itself that way

[molten citrus]

Yeh

Which is more popular for guilds nowadays

WCL or rio

[tribal blade]

oh i thought you meant for M+

not sure though

[molten citrus]

I did mean m+

[keen dome]

I've seen a lot of places using WoWaudit for stuff too but no experience with it.

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[molten citrus]

At first I meant m+

Then diff question for guilds ye

[tribal blade]

i've never actually looked for a guild before so i have no idea

[tepid trellis]

ngl i just link up with mutuals in other guilds that has a good rep of being good

we use wowprog

still for recruitment

[tribal blade]

yeah usually for very good players you can get around via contacts you ahve

[molten citrus]

Word

I’m prolly gonna have to find a guild at some point

Rolling solo has been meh

[tribal blade]

also you get guilds trying to poach people who have killer logs

[tepid trellis]

word of advice for anybody that ever applies to our guild, all of the guildies can see them, so put EFFORT in them, rats

[tribal blade]

but if you're a above average player guilds will be interested

[tepid trellis]

honestly, at a certain world rank that doesent happen

[molten citrus]

I think all my old logs from SL are private

[tepid trellis]

peope dont care at all for logs

[molten citrus]

So idk if that fucks me or

[tepid trellis]

its just all word of mouth

[tribal blade]

fair enough 😉

i think it happens a bit at the level i'm around

[white field]

Hi everyone, maybe it's a dumb question, but does anyone have a functioning macro to reset raid bosses? I really struggle with a macro that uses Shuriken Toss and Vanish, it never works ^^'. Thanks!

[tribal blade]

the under HoF level

[tepid trellis]

log hunting is mostly a lower wr guild thing

[tribal blade]

resetting bosses as a rogue is weird

[tepid trellis]

like you could have full 100s but if you dont have a good rep of being a good prog player

[tribal blade]

some bosses you can reset from range

[tepid trellis]

you will not get accepted

[tribal blade]

some you have to be in melee to vanish

[molten citrus]

Rogue isn’t great for it. Try clicking off your poisons beforehand maybe

[tepid trellis]

which is why i keep telling everybody that i know

to NEVER burn bridges in wow

it will haunt you

wow players are petty af

[tribal blade]

yeah i tell people the same thing about key pushing

[tepid trellis]

and will follow your character where you go

and tell people about you

[tribal blade]

you really don't want to get a bad reputation while title pushing

because the pool of players is so small

[round latch]

one of the wisest things ive read

[molten citrus]

Can’t people just name change

[tepid trellis]

you can still find them

[tribal blade]

i have a great story about that

[lilac stag]

Generally good life advice. It’s a small fucking world.

[tepid trellis]

its not hard

[white field]

Thanks for the answers, have a nice one !

[keen dome]

Battle Pets never lie

[molten citrus]

Or new account if you are a shitty enough person idk

[tribal blade]

there was a guy who became infamous for being terrible in M+ through lfg title pushing range

and he couldn't spell properly to save his life, it was really bad

he name changed and everybody immediately figured out it was him again because he never fixed his spelling while typing

[tepid trellis]

i know a few people who burned bridges bad

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[tepid trellis]

and it still bites him in the ass today

and it was like 5 years ago

[tribal blade]

SHEEESH 5 years my god

[round latch]

choices and the burden of them

[molten citrus]

How do you even burn bridges in wow

[round latch]

thats life

[keen dome]

We had that back in WoD. SOmeone got kicked from our raid group but had a very distinct way of typing and mispelling words. A few months later someone applies with the precise same styleof writing and typos..

[molten citrus]

Just being a dickhead?

[round latch]

or do pvp with high blood pressure 24/7

scream/yell/drama sht like that

[tribal blade]

haha classic

[solemn carbon]

Nah WoD…..

[keen dome]

If you know how, it is extremely easy to identify alts, etc. It's funny how bad people are at hiding themselves

[tepid trellis]

beeing an asshat

[upper narwhal]

Someone ragequit my guild once cuz they hadn’t been given 4p by the end of week 2

[fleet acorn]

how do people do their weapon enchants if ure raiding and m+ on sub rogue? do i need to switch back and forth (radiant power for m+ and depths for raiding)?

[tepid trellis]

and inting prog in different ways

[tribal blade]

here i found a screenshot of this guy

[tepid trellis]

like dipping mid prog without any reason as to why

causing drama etc

[tribal blade]

this is what i'm talking about

it's crazy

[molten citrus]

Just stick to the enchants that are more important, like depths for prog

[keen dome]

wow, lmao

[tepid trellis]

the biggest nono

[tepid trellis]

you can do imo

its leave mid prog

[round latch]

almost had an aneurysm reading that 😂

[tepid trellis]

just shows you clearly dont care about the time of your other guildies

[tribal blade]

bro he was so bad it was honestly kinda funny

[keen dome]

Man, wild. I'm heavily dyslexic and I am always amazed when I see people who just.. don't try? It's very weird.

[tribal blade]

everyone knew who he was

[lilac stag]

egos are wild. Been let go from two training facilities I was instructing at. Filled classes etc. owners felt threatened since they were not seen as most important trainer in the building.

Both times my students followed me. I also won’t recommend their facilities trials which is usually a money maker. They may not know how much money they’re not seeing because of the way they handled things. One was 3 years ago, one 7. Don’t burn it down.

[tribal blade]

one time he chain died and didn't release during a key

then when the group yelled at him

[molten citrus]

Yeah I mean that’s just fucked

[tribal blade]

he yelled back at them that his boyfriend had been knocked unconcious or something

and how rude they were

[round latch]

this is str8 @ssh@le move

[lilac stag]

Wow raiding is just small business management.

[keen dome]

The worst middlemanagers around

[tribal blade]

the dps after wiping on 1st boss of DHT

29 DHT

oh no we wiped on 2nd boss

pretty bad considering sub was not exactly a stellar spec that season

^ this was during the "PLEASE BUFF BP" days

[tepid trellis]

I’m also petty af and remember names. So DONT PISS ME OFF

[tribal blade]

now i'm scared

[molten citrus]

[keen dome]

high5 petty af name memory powers

[pulsar gate]

We have 2 sparks now?

[keen dome]

We do!

They enabled the quest for another half due to the exploit, to instead give everybody one this week

It's in Dornogal by the catalyst

[tribal blade]

yes you can talk to the guy next to the catalyst to get another free half spark

oh i completely missed gestalt saying it first lol

[keen dome]

🫡

[rocky axle]

Oyy, droptimizer recommends crafting Neck for 3.7% over Boots (1.2%). However i need a 2nd embellishment and guide recommends placing it on boots cuz less stats.

Am i trolling by crafting neck with embellish rn ?

[molten citrus]

most people went neck for their 2nd

just based on no good necks from raid/keys

[rocky axle]

Yeah seems legit. Wanted to make sure i'm not missing something. Thx

[jade urchin]

praise heavens for focusing lens going on every gear piece

giving us freedom

[keen dome]

Ye

[tepid trellis]

can i just spam level 1 delves for the weekly spark quest?

[keen yew]

Laugh in darkflame's neck first vault

[keen dome]

Probably, yeah

They should still drop the disk shards so it should be really quick.

[molten citrus]

there was some guy in SW earlier

with the cutting edge mount

[hazy breach]

follower dungeons is good too

[rocky axle]

Is the dinars system still up for S1 ? I need a transmitter or any viable trink.

[jade urchin]

S1 had no dinars

[rocky axle]

Soo there is no chance on getting my hands on a transmitter now 😦

[jade urchin]

u can get the pvp 1min cd trinket

it sims very close to transmitter

takes 1-2 hours to get

[rocky axle]

haven't played pvp for years, its gonna take me years if i need to win lol

[jade urchin]

u need like 600 conquest or smth

accept pvp weeklies and just queue

its gonna be done in no time

[rocky axle]

thx for the tip ! What about 2nd ? Did u guys have any luck delving' for kiss of death ?

[jade urchin]

2nd trinket not important really

[half osprey]

Any weakaura for tracking 4 set bonus? winning streak

[hazy breach]

kiss of death stinky

Just get a passive trinket, theres like 10 of them that are all good

[rocky axle]

i've heard it was pretty good i dont mind the extra button

it looked like one of the easiest to get but i might be wrong about that

[hazy breach]

the pvp trinket is way easier to get

and better

[humble aspen]

New to sub - do you guys have a separate bind for shadowstrike and backstab?

[rocky axle]

no

[humble aspen]

ah i see its worth 0.5% damage

[short radish]

yes

[rocky axle]

using bar 1 as swapping stance bar. 3 is for backstab // ss in stealh. 2 is for dance // backstab in stealth

[humble aspen]

in the prio list i see to use backstab over shadow strike during dance with premed

[void hound]

yes

[jade urchin]

#Showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

replaces shadow dance with backstab

when ure in dance or stealth

[lilac stag]

Yes

We use backstab in dance

As well as strike

[lilac pendant]

Guys I have a problem using Tricks of trade. Sometimes i cant event cast it on tank, other times i get the 30S one and someones i get the 1 hour one. Whats happening

[jade urchin]

so tricky talent

[lilac pendant]

Yeah but with that always that one talented i get the thing above

[jade urchin]

ah i misread

mb

[tepid trellis]

@hazy breach what did you end up sending spark on?

neck?

[lilac stag]

you need to attack something after the cast. If you just do it at start of key it won’t trigger the 1h until threat is actually transferred.

[lilac pendant]

I think i get it. If not im gonna read it when i didnt just woke up

[fathom adder]

when do you stop using sd + symbols between your 1:30 2 dances + symbols + sectec windows in aoe situations? do you still try to fit 2 between (2, 1 repeat) or do you go more aggressive due to more cdr? How is your thought process in that situation

[hazy breach]

Bracers

But neck is fine too

Boots/neck/bracers were all similar but bracers were slightly higher so i went with that

[visual holly]

do we need more than 12k mastery?

[hazy breach]

Idk sim it

[tribal blade]

12k sounds kinda low

[tepid trellis]

they were not remotely close for me

[lilac stag]

same

[tepid trellis]

and when i say remotely

[visual holly]

yeah kinda feeling it dont know if to craft neck or back

[lilac stag]

All the secondary stats on neck was far and away best

[tepid trellis]

i mean 24k

diff

[visual holly]

simming right now

[tepid trellis]

13k for bracers

37k for neck

[fierce ivy]

I'm also considering bracers, still running around with 636 crafted and didn't get one-armed bandit ones. Though my hands are also 645 because I'm low passion low luck gamer

[lilac stag]

wrists Stat budget sucks

and if we had a good neck you would do the wrists

but there is no good neck

just avg

we’re super close to secondaries being better than agil food

[visual holly]

how much do you have

[tepid trellis]

my mastery is more than agi xD

[lilac stag]

yea and you have like 6 ilvl on me. Not surprised

655 they’re almost equal

[hazy breach]

I had 636 bracers still

[jaunty heath]

I have a 626 neck I’m going through the roof today

[hazy breach]

Or well, i have 652 ones but theyre stinky haste ones

[tepid trellis]

i have 658

[jaunty heath]

[tepid trellis]

vers mast ones

[molten citrus]

[hazy breach]

ye so thats why

[lilac stag]

Very masterful raccoon

[tepid trellis]

talking about dps per point statweights

[hazy breach]

Im also not gonna upgrade them next week as i have other stuff to spend my crests on

[tepid trellis]

i only have 1 myth track item

xDDDD

[molten citrus]

statweights

[tepid trellis]

its useless info

but sometimes its funny to see

[hazy breach]

I have a BoE helm i cant use until next week because no catalyst

[lilac stag]

This is where I was at just trying to see total stat budget between the neck and braces.

bracers just don’t have enough stats

[visual holly]

guys how much mastery you have

[lilac stag]

a lot

[hazy breach]

The specific number doesnt matter