subtlety

[placid crown]

if you always use dance and sod together

[void ocean]

u want castsequence

[placid crown]

why dont you pull sod in this macro /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

[slate lantern]

we dont

[swift tinsel]

you don't always use dance and sod together

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[uncut juniper]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[placid crown]

ahhhh things changing every patch

[uncut juniper]

do you always use flag with shadow blade?

[swift tinsel]

not at the same global, no

[uncut juniper]

ah

was gonna macro them

[round latch]

replace /cast with /castsequence

[swift tinsel]

but you use them in the same cooldown window

[round latch]

and keep the spells in the sequence separated by a coma

[placid crown]

it does not work

it does nto cast sod

[slate lantern]

There's new op tech where if you press the buttons in the right order its the same thing as /castsequence, don't tell anyone else tho

[round latch]

ye u might need to rewrite it,also u need to set a timer reset for the macro

u havent set a timer

there is also another thing u have to understand

sod is off gcd

there is no reason to castsequence on it

its counterintuitive to the sequence as it doesnt obey it,being off gcd

[placid crown]

well this is why i didnt write castsequence

[shut ridge]

god, please forgive me for what I'm about to do

(pvp for the trinket)

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

i also pvped for the neck

it is better than any dungeon one

and raid one

until M

[shut ridge]

I am down -bad-

[round latch]

u will get better

no one's judging u

[shut ridge]

I am judging MYSELF

[round latch]

u shouldnt before u actually try

[shut ridge]

yeah it's not actually a big deal

[twilit phoenix]

pro gamer moves

pvp neck till crafted neck in a few weeks

[strong ingot]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[shut ridge]

i did the whole pvp thing at the end of last season to get that cool set

[twilit phoenix]

next week is either boots or wrist craft

[shut ridge]

kicking and screaming and crying the entire way, might I add

[slate lantern]

crafting boots cause i fucking love feet

[round latch]

then why did u get into the writting/wondering why it wouldnt work

[twilit phoenix]

high T post

[round latch]

This is how a proper cs macro looks like

/cast Blood Fury
/use 13
/castsequence reset=10 Shadow Dance, Cheap shot, Shadowy Duel, Symbols of Death, Echoing Reprimand, Cold blood, Secret Technique, Goremaw's Bite, Cheap Shot, Eviscerate

(yes thats from my orc rogue)

[placid crown]

i would like the macro that bs after danse, but that also does sod with the danse

/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

not only "SD" but "SD+SoD"

[uncut juniper]

anyone got life changing macro for sub ?

[round latch]

are u using other stance macros outside the one u wanna write?

[uncut juniper]

I'm having a hard time with many buttons

[simple garnet]

vanqueef

[shut ridge]

fire-eater's vial with dance

[uncut juniper]

😭

[placid crown]

well yes

i think

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-smell-float-bon-sponge-gif-15840520

[placid crown]

/cast pickpocket
/cast [stance:0]bs
/cast [stance:1]strike
/cast [stance:2]strike

like this one ?

(i'm NE)

[slate lantern]

sub doesnt even have bloat tho

[round latch]

i think ive got a headacke

[signal heath]

when building a M+ group, what classes you looking to pick up in order to juice your dmg up? whats best group for sub rogue

[slate lantern]

shaman required

everything else is just whats meta

[umbral relic]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[twilit phoenix]

shaman is basically locked in for sub

WF buffy is enormous

[keen dome]

Shaman, Sub, Sub, Sub, Tank

[quick latch]

should i use trinket again after cd or hold it for sb cd?

[twilit phoenix]

hold it

[keen dome]

We're gonna be on trash for a while but bosses? bosses are gonna explode

[signal heath]

do all the specs use WF?

[twilit phoenix]

you're treating it as a 1.5 min trinket

[quick latch]

oke ty

[slate lantern]

bind to SB and forget about it

[twilit phoenix]

yeah

[signal heath]

resto, ele, ench etc?

[open vortex]

vdh/mw/sub/arms/ele

gives a little bit of everything

[signal heath]

oh ok nice yea i remember in DF sham wasnt running WF

[twilit phoenix]

this is the sub god comp

druid buff would be based, but I think the rest are better?

[bleak night]

and the shaman is enhance

healer cosmetic role

[open vortex]

ya i dunno if its boomy over arms dunno the math on that

[twilit phoenix]

might swap the warrior to a balance druid ngl

[open vortex]

err feral

whichever

[twilit phoenix]

need a brez

feral

[bleak night]

lmao feral

[open vortex]

believe in the cats

[twilit phoenix]

not when the chickens are doing old god giga turbo damage

[full pollen]

!sim

can i sim dungeonslice as subrogue ? or what should i sim to min max m+

[twilit phoenix]

dslice is fine

[full pollen]

okay thanks

[chrome palm]

we love damage amps

[small hemlock]

hi just a note, the bloodmallet sims seem to be simming with the wrong talents for Patchwerk, can this please be ammended?

[umbral relic]

hey, in our bislist i see some m+ items, are they available in mythic level only through vault?

[small hemlock]

no shadowfocus

[lucid jackal]

Shadow focus is 0.1% damage on st

[small hemlock]

thats fine if its inconsequential

[lucid jackal]

If you ever have to press storm on a fight

Improved storm ends up a lot better

[viral phoenix]

-0.1% on sprocketmonger GG

[small hemlock]

right nw guy thank you x

[deep estuary]

yo, after the frist 3 shadowdance/symbols combos in the opener, do we need to hold/wait to starty bursting again? or do we just send dance and symbols as soon as theyre up together

[twilit phoenix]

pack it up

[twilit phoenix]

really depends on timings

if there's gonna be some downtime and you'll have an opportunity to farm back some cdr

you can probs send the dance

[deep estuary]

so in a nonstop patwork fight then

patchwork

[twilit phoenix]

ideally you should still have enough uptime to send 2 non flag dances between cds

but if it's sketchy, just hold that 4th dance

[deep estuary]

alright. we always want 2 dances going into flag?

[molten citrus]

its usually 2 sets of dance/symbols between CDs, then 1, then 2, then 1, then 2 etc

[deep estuary]

ah okay, thanks

[slate lantern]

we do be dancing with shadow dance

[twilit phoenix]

yeah 2 dances + 2 SOD

[molten citrus]

always 2 sets inside CDs

[umbral relic]

i guess you can have mythic level m+ items only through vault so

[deep estuary]

also wondering why i see alot of the top parse openers not using the one on wowhead. any reason for that? they go do an evisc before rupture and vanish in the opener

[molten citrus]

that was the opener in s1

[slate lantern]

that only recently changed, muscle memory prob

[deep estuary]

ahh okay makes sense

[lucid jackal]

The other thing is that it's not going to change trinket evaluation either way

[viral phoenix]

are you guys sending the 2nd CB on random backstabs or whatever when it comes up? IDK I know its optimal but I feel like with how variable it is to get that CB rolling and it means you could screw up cds I've just not been pressing CB if its not in cooldowns and wonder if thats egregious

[deep estuary]

one last thing :p Which crafted dagger is best. the standard stats one or the equip bonus one

[viral phoenix]

like if you're holding cooldowns for CB what cooldown does CB have to be before it'll reliably line up with 2nd sec tech

[molten citrus]

no

[lucid jackal]

If you use it right as it comes up it'll be be ready for Cd's

[molten citrus]

always CB on sec tech

[fallen crescent]

What is it that changed?

[molten citrus]

first evis/rupture placements and vanish usage isn't there anymore. can look on wowhead.

[hexed sluice]

Tank Ego is insane today. +5 Rookery. Prot warrior pulls all 3 opener packs, proceeds to single target the main guy only and loses threat on everything to a single sectech. Goes off on me not dodging mechanics when I died to melees after evasion ended.

Theres nothing I can do there right if I use opener and just get memed by dumb tanks?

[viral phoenix]

is there always a sec tech on that 2nd CB? you kinda have to send it immediately so its lined up w/ next cd set right?

[slate lantern]

stats

[fallen crescent]

K

[molten citrus]

if you don't have a sec tech to send it on then it won't really matter

you can basically hold CB for 2nd sec techs in CDs only

[naive zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[molten citrus]

squeezing in the extra casts inbetween CDs is pretty unimpactful afaik

[viral phoenix]

feels that way

[lucid jackal]

Setting up snd just doesn't do much, even last season. Delaying your Cd's 5 extra seconds tho does matter and sucks on a lot of fights. Rik for example

[viral phoenix]

also with how fast or slow you can get to 2nd sec tech in cooldowns with how dynamic shadow craft refunds is

like first cds could be a slow second sec tech than next cds its sped up and you pressed CB on cooldown and you lost out on CB with sec tech in cds and its GG

idk i've been just not pressing it out of cooldowns it feels better

[slate lantern]

not pressing cb outside of cooldowns is valid, it is a minor gain overall and way worse when it goes wrong

[fallen crescent]

Ty for the detailed explanation. Appreciate u

[placid crown]

Is it possible to put a tempered potion in a castsequence ? I feel like when i do it it stops the sequence before using the potion.

[simple garnet]

why is my shadow blades being refunded somtimes?

[slate lantern]

by the time the homie is done he will have done more work debugging a cast sequence than it would've taken to learn to press the buttons

[keen iron]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike > Haste

[viral phoenix]

idk what you're trying to do but for me I just have a shadow dance button that is normal rotation and 1 that has pot macroed into it for cds

[hollow condor]

!sd

[oak grotto]

Do we use the Sirin isle ring over a hero 665?

[slate lantern]

[neon pendant]

Sim it

[hollow condor]

what was the backstab SD macro pls? can´t find the command for it lol

[paper iron]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[paper iron]

^

[hollow condor]

oh ty

does it cast backstab first, SD after?

[old socket]

back from s1 gentlemen are we still weaving in a naked symbols after our 2 dances and 2 symbols and cds?

[neon pendant]

u got the answer 2 row above

[molten citrus]

no

[oak grotto]

How do you add the different stones in simc?

[hollow condor]

ty

[placid crown]

/castsequence reset=120 flag,rupture,POTION,danse,sod,bs,blades,trinket,sectec here is what i wanted to do, but the POTION inside make it stop ath this moment (of course i did write well the spells etc, just rewrite fast in english)

[viral phoenix]

oh is this like a pulling a raid boss specifically cast sequence

thats wierd

but find your destiny king

[placid crown]

why is it weird ?

[viral phoenix]

i think that only works in the exact scenario of pulling boss and its not flexible

also personally the funnest part about sub is doing the cooldowns after this its just 1 2 1 2 1 2

[placid crown]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[placid crown]

if u use only these 2 macros, then you'll have a bit more than 1 2 1 2 x)

[paper iron]

outside of cd it feels like it

that what he meant

[placid crown]

just for the dance, depending on situations you will use it with sod and backstab on pull, or just with bs, or alone

[viral phoenix]

sorry i meant 1 1 1 2 - - 1 - - - 1 - - 1 4

[paper iron]

that s more accurate actually

[placid crown]

yeye dw got it --'

[tulip gorge]

dumb question, but if you get to 5 combo points inside a dance window, do you do another strike or do you just send the finisher?

[paper iron]

the rule says to send at 6cp, so here u go

[tulip gorge]

I feel like I get out of energy and wasting gcds if I send another strike

[paper iron]

[young mural]

i got muted for 24hrs yesterday i wont ever be a prick again

wow i missed this discord...

[round latch]

it doesnt work at all,the sequence resets after 2min,after the first sequence it stops and doesnt repeat before flag resets

[placid crown]

ah that was my question

cuz i dont get the reset parameter

so if i want it to work, i need to put reset = 90 ?

or 89 ?

even if you dont like this kind of playgame, just need the answer for the theory :)))

[round latch]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/MACRO_castsequence

take the time to read,its gonna help

[broken spindle]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[placid crown]

this is what i just did

[alpine wraith]

oh finally got a neck

so now i can upgrade the PVP one

[wild spindle]

i was looking at bloodmallet last night and saw it was showing this trink https://www.wowhead.com/item=229780/prized-gladiators-badge-of-ferocity simming as a top 3 on use for sub ST, i went to sim it this morning and it sims horribly on raidbots, antone happen to know if the trink is actually any good?

[placid crown]

So with the castsequence i put, i just have to put at maximum reset 90, and at minimal reset the time that the sequence needs to be done

[molten citrus]

fully upgraded it is good yes

[placid crown]

i guess putting a reset of 3sec if the sequence lasts 10sec is quite dumb

[molten citrus]

it is about equal to heroic transmitter

[keen dome]

And so much nicer to use

[molten citrus]

and only -1.3% from BiS season 2 trinkets

[keen dome]

Push button -> get stats

[molten citrus]

it is not the 3rd best option

but it is decent

[wild spindle]

okay solid, i simmed a 658 one and it says its like a 70k dps loss but on bloodmallet it shows as a 2% increase over my current trink

[molten citrus]

what trinkets do u have

[cinder zenith]

Does anyone have the aura, which is like a little bar that shows you the duration of your SD?

[wild spindle]

665 pacemaker and a 658 azeroks heart

[molten citrus]

can you link the sim

[wild spindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4rRmjgKAEfPXAKst7QAada

[twilit phoenix]

i have a 665 HOC + 665 suspicious drink

[keen dome]

Blasting

[viral phoenix]

hero track transmitter gang 😔 ✊ rise up

[twilit phoenix]

never delving again this season on my rogue

[wild spindle]

no transmitter gang

[molten citrus]

don't sims have some fuckery about on use being in 1st slot or something

like with pacemaker

[wild spindle]

ooooh i didnt think about that it could

[molten citrus]

try swapping the slots

ye swap your trinkets around in game and redo /simc

and try again

[hazy breach]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5ERoRDtng29h122BWVV2v2

Ye

[molten citrus]

yep there ya go

+1.3%

ty eleem

[wild spindle]

i guess pacemaker is just really bad to run with it?

[slate lantern]

Become enlightened and join us in the pvp trinket promise land

[molten citrus]

pacemaker is bugged when you have it in 1st slot (in sims only) as far as i'm aware

[wild spindle]

oooooh so its just a few interactions in the sim just not jiving together is all then

[molten citrus]

the sim treats pacemaker like its an on use trinket

[viral phoenix]

there's no shot (SIMMING RN PLEAAAASEEEEEE)

[molten citrus]

if its in slot 1

or some shit

[wild spindle]

loool thats kinda troll but good to know, tyvm for the help

[slate lantern]

It's a loss but v small like 0.5-0.8% and no more mini game, so infinitely better

Plus higher ilvl so that's the most important thing

[viral phoenix]

bigger number better person

[modest delta]

Whos a good sub streamer i can watch vods for free

[young mural]

@slate lantern is insane

ill try my best

[hollow spear]

Stealthi is good

[modest delta]

Link? Is that their twitch?

[hollow spear]

Dunno if Perfecto's videos are free on twitch

[kind bluff]

Fastest way to farm conquest?

[hollow spear]

Just search for stealthi on twitch

Not going to do that for you haha

[modest delta]

They could have a different handle for twitch

[viral phoenix]

https://www.twitch.tv/stealthi/videos?filter=archives&sort=time 🙂

[hollow spear]

You guys are catering to the laziest of the lazy

[viral phoenix]

im waiting on a damn pvp trinket sim

what else do i do

[modest delta]

cry ab it

[viral phoenix]

bro i have to stare down the grim bare naked reality

am i degen enough to not just take the pvp trinket

who am i as a person

[hollow spear]

Sounds grim

[queen kraken]

my sim is killing me too

[hollow spear]

I'd do it

You lose your transmitter once

[queen kraken]

with max upgrade

[hollow spear]

If you're doing mythic progression, kezan is good

If not, it's not

[queen kraken]

ye kezan scales better once u hit a few more than 5minutes

but idk

[viral phoenix]

guys what do I do its a -400 damage loss to go pvp trinket AHHH TOUGH DECISION

[slate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/its-your-destiny-fate-future-revealing-how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-13114498

[hollow condor]

Guys would that be really stupid to have house of cards for main CD´s, and PvP trinket for smaller ones? 2 On use trinkets are not optimal just curious

[hollow spear]

Wdym tough

Instant transmitter delete angle

[molten citrus]

likely not optimal

[lucid jackal]

U want an on use for your cooldowns

Nd then a passive

House of cards. Transmitter. Badge

[viral phoenix]

thats like .1% of an auto attack one time that I'm losing 🥺

guys lets think about this 🥺

[lucid jackal]

Transmitter is annoying. If it's close just replace it

[lilac stag]

It’s not a loss you have to be perfect with transmitter for sim dps

every pickup right at Sectech

[signal heath]

is the povp trinket 636?

[lilac stag]

658

You upgrade iit

Like any pve item

[signal heath]

which sim do you use for it? droptimizer?

[hollow spear]

Scath has become the #1 pvp trinket sales guy

Do you get commission by now?

[lilac stag]

I got bloodmallet to add it.

PvP trinket CEO

[hollow spear]

That's the commitment I want to see

[lilac stag]

Just add it in top gear. If you need the exact name goto bloodmallet

[signal heath]

got it, thankssss

[lilac stag]

give him some traffic

[molten citrus]

loading up the fodder for me omg

more free kills

[signal heath]

simming it now haha

[lilac stag]

My gift back

https://tenor.com/view/kid-oh-yeah-yodeling-gif-4295637337024128969

Notrickz gonna see a bunch of rogues running around with 6milly health and start salivating.

[molten citrus]

[lilac stag]

I’ve also evolved.

[molten citrus]

popping off

[keen dome]

can I have it

[molten citrus]

i finally got a dagger yesterday

[lilac stag]

I credit badge as the gateway drug

[molten citrus]

so i can finally start ascending

[keen dome]

Hell yeah dagger

[young mural]

me evolved but less + im poor, but finally could replace my hero transmitter

[lilac stag]

Nice

[warped ferry]

Anybody know the name of the addon Imexile uses that shows him timers for bosses and when to press some of his buttons?

[molten citrus]

method raid tools

[hollow spear]

He probably has the liquid version

[lilac stag]

Liquid timeline afaik

[molten citrus]

ye

[hollow spear]

But it's basically mrt

[lilac stag]

Since ya know. Liquid

It’s a more cracked version

[molten citrus]

the liquid one is behind a pay wall tho

afaik

[lilac stag]

It is

[warped ferry]

Noted thanks.

[lilac stag]

You can make it with mrt

Just a bit more work

[warped ferry]

Yh will probably do that, looking through log timelines isn’t helping so wanted something I could see and adjust in game.

[random hare]

@molten citrus need sub talents

!

for pvp

!

[olive flax]

other then the obvious top tier trinkets, what are the best ones outside of transmitor and cards thats best for M+

[molten citrus]

bruh i already gave you some the other day

one sec

the changes are in so

diff talents

[lilac stag]

Is it safe to look at a Mm Hunter yet?

[random hare]

ok ok

[molten citrus]

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMz2MAAAAAAMbjxy0gFegZYMGzMzMzMzYWGzYmllhZYmBjZWGDAAAAzwMsZWmxsNDjFGWmZbahWmFYA
make sure you're keeping rupture up

[royal whale]

guys do u also use a backstab for danse stack for AOE

[molten citrus]

especially outside of dance etc

[tepid trellis]

@native zodiac reclear

xD

[native zodiac]

rik?

[tepid trellis]

ye

[native zodiac]

when did he die for you with the 10% nerf

[tepid trellis]

290m add dmg xD

just after first add set in p3

[lilac stag]

No stream?

[native zodiac]

we are reclearing on sunday need to fix my timers

so just after the add set we send cds

thats good i guess

[tepid trellis]

can send you mine after raid

[tepid trellis]

was benched on first two

and im probs benched for 4th

[lilac stag]

Sadge

[native zodiac]

we killed vexxie yesterday and i got rank 2 with no 4piece and 652

sent my upgrades after

[twilit phoenix]

you guys running TFD in raid too?

[native zodiac]

no

[tepid trellis]

played this on rik

[twilit phoenix]

[jaunty heath]

I‘m in hell

[tepid trellis]

we even had TERRIBLE barrel spawns

[native zodiac]

[nocturne rose]

You play Finality for more pad?

[tepid trellis]

it sims slightly higher for me on ST

[native zodiac]

hoping we get some good spawns on sunday when we reclear

[tepid trellis]

lil bit of barrel dmg

[native zodiac]

[warped ferry]

It a good idea to have a dance symbols macro?

[native zodiac]

you basically have to hold p2 cds for adds now i guess

as the boss dies way too quick

[slate lantern]

its good if you also have buttons for them that arent macrod

[warped ferry]

Yh I do rn, figured since I’m usually using them at the same time or close to each other anyways might as well macro them together and use that. And keep one for a natty symbols.

[tepid trellis]

yeh i held

dies waaaay to tast

fast*

[chrome flax]

mastery or versa flask?

[placid elk]

i say vers

[native zodiac]

huh im confused that cant be every shadowdance no?

[tepid trellis]

nah just barrel spawns

[native zodiac]

ahh

[rocky ocean]

Whatever is the lowest

[tepid trellis]

i can give you dance timings in dms

[native zodiac]

i got mine in the liquid tool aswell

we prob do the same tbf

the only add set i struggled to have something for sometimes is the last one in p2

[warped ferry]

Oooh, you have one for mugzee?

[native zodiac]

you just send off cds on mugzee heroic if you arent lagging out of the wazzoo

[fallen crescent]

Which fights would be ideal hold cds? I’m kinda late to the convo XD

[native zodiac]

i dont realy look much into heroic fights but on mythic its smart to hold cds for rik and stix defo

[midnight folio]

with health nerfs, didnt get 2d flag at sub 40% bc it phases earlier so it depends

[native zodiac]

and vexxie aswell after the first amp

[kind bluff]

I wouldn't mind 1 bit looking over that if you dm it to me

[dense mountain]

same ^

[tepid trellis]

[fallen crescent]

Maybe make it a pin at this point :0

[paper iron]

omw to overpad you tomorrow

[solar charm]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[slate lantern]

[paper iron]

yoink

[dense mountain]

ty king ❤️

[tepid trellis]

wrote it wrong

[lucid jackal]

Thinking too hard

Cd on cd

[paper iron]

back to dust overpreparing pulls

[hybrid wave]

is there a reason why people are delaying vanish like this ?

[dense mountain]

i wrote an entire note for sub on galleywix, only for my hero talent to break every pull and swapping to assa

[paper iron]

[native zodiac]

on our reclear after my combo points not refreshing for 10secs i just gave up and afkd

[molten citrus]

opener changed slightly

[signal heath]

holy shit that pvp trinket was a 100k dps inc

[ornate heron]

are the sims fixed for pacemaker?

[slate lantern]

yeah on use is pretttttty good for sub

[ornate heron]

whats the fastest way to get 700 conquest?

[oblique skiff]

Is there a place I can post log and get guidance on what I’m doing wrong?New to sub.

[twilit phoenix]

ya just type !log in this chat

and then post your log in there

someone usually jumps in and helps

[slate lantern]

fastest is weekly pvp quests and winning rewards for bgs and arenas and stuff

[native zodiac]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[twilit phoenix]

might do it this way so I can farm honor for the sockets too

the things we do for .4% damage

[slate lantern]

chillest is farming war crates with a group using the rdy war crate timer tracker addon

[slate lantern]

yeah but then you have to do pvp

[twilit phoenix]

[ornate heron]

where is thi at?

[autumn flame]

5h pvp today

[slate lantern]

all tww zones with wm on, they rotate

[slate lantern]

double flusher

[oblique skiff]

!log

[autumn flame]

At least I have my neck now

[twilit phoenix]

is that 5h total for the conq + honor for sockets?

[lusty acorn]

yo what stats should i craft dagger with? vers mastery?

[lucid jackal]

Neck is 100% 2nd craft

[twilit phoenix]

nah

pvp neck is like a teeny tiny bit behind

[lucid jackal]

Than a max ilvl crafted neck?

[twilit phoenix]

craft boots or bracers

yeah

sim that shit

[lucid jackal]

That can't be right

[twilit phoenix]

here lemme sim it again, I did it earlier

[alpine wraith]

my second craft is helmet

[slate lantern]

engi?

[alpine wraith]

yea eventually i will put engi there

[slate lantern]

craving all the mastery?

[alpine wraith]

so next week i craft LW one with dusk or dawn

likely duskthread

[slate lantern]

why are you going for head as the non tier set?

[alpine wraith]

engi helmet

[grave delta]

engineer roleplay

[alpine wraith]

eventually

[twilit phoenix]

isn't glove tier doodoo caca stinky

[alpine wraith]

helmet is nothing crazy either

better than gloves tho

helmet is 43k dps+socket if i get unlucl

making it almost 60k

neck is like 20k

wrists around that too

also if i dont get week 3 socket maybe i get it week 4 and it still soaks it

[ornate heron]

you guys are farming sockets?

how?

[alpine wraith]

if you get unlucky on vault you choose socket

[ornate heron]

ooohh

[alpine wraith]

or well the 6 tokens of merit

[ornate heron]

i thought you meant like actually farming to put sockets on gear

[twilit phoenix]

yeah you have to farm honor

to socket pvp gear

rings/neck

[glad shale]

+2353 on helm vs 1682v/699h and gloves are 1197h/589crit at max ilvl

[lilac pendant]

Hello im new to subtley fresh 80 getting demolished in overworld content hahah Any QoL WA?

[glad shale]

seems bad

[alpine wraith]

if you are fresh 80 as rogue it wont be pretty yea

[ashen terrace]

Crafted neck is only like 10k better than pvp for me

[warm marlin]

go pvp neck and boots craft

[alpine wraith]

you can get crafted gear quite easily by farming weathered crests

[ashen terrace]

Best craft rn is gloves

[lilac pendant]

yeah i have 500 ilvl hahaha im stuggling a lot atm but just making time

doing weeklies

[twilit phoenix]

for me, crafted wrists/boots are a bigger boost than crafted neck when you account for PVP neck

bis wrists aren't until mythic bandit :/

[alpine wraith]

yea this was helmet i did some combinations before choosing it was quite a bit better for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8tf1GjBz9MJvjAVAY57T4g

[warm marlin]

i got the rookery gloves on M in my first vault

[gentle sonnet]

your best bet is to do your weekly quests, and do the timewalking dungeons for gear

[warm marlin]

so boots no brainer craft

[lilac pendant]

yeah yeah dw

Im looking for WA! haha

[lucid jackal]

I think part of the nice part is that crafted neck is full end game bis

[alpine wraith]

boots boe and there are decent belts as for wrists that is likely 3rd craft

unless i get ones from raid

[gentle sonnet]

if you looking for a base WA that shows your abilities, i recommend luxthos

[twilit phoenix]

you're right, I'm just trying to min max current value I guess

[ashen terrace]

You can get 658 socketed wrists with bis stats from pvp that will last a while

[twilit phoenix]

either way, it's all within like half a percent

[lilac pendant]

looking more for ones for fazed enemies, perfect form etc

[twilit phoenix]

prolly doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

[warm marlin]

doesn't fuu's bis profile also play crafted boots

[alpine wraith]

ah true i forgot pvp wrists maybe i go get them

[gentle sonnet]

any of you guys got a recommendation for a trickster WA

[finite citrus]

Do you secret technique, symbols or shadow dance in aoe 7+ targets?

[alpine wraith]

why is that a choice

try to read the basics of the spec kinda

[autumn flame]

YUP

[gentle sonnet]

do all three and use shuriken and black powder

[finite citrus]

Gotcha, thank you.

[slate lantern]

[twilit phoenix]

not that bad tbh - what were you doing? epic bgs?

[honest grail]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[finite citrus]

Why is Outlaw simming better in ST and M+ but it's the worst of the three specs?

[gentle sonnet]

Roll the bones

[alpine wraith]

and raid mechanics favour sub usually as you can plan around things

a lot of people like assa

[finite citrus]

Sim trap?

[alpine wraith]

no just if you could hit all the time outlaw would do more dps on average

but sadly that is not the case in any boss

[spiral needle]

harder for a normal human to play outlaw perfectly like sim

[lucid jackal]

I don't understand how that's possible when there's literally no even half decent neck, barring PvP

[lucid jackal]

Meant to reply to this

[twilit phoenix]

yeah it's crazy

[hazy breach]

Some crit is fine, so the darkflame isnt bad

But you could get the crit elsewhere too

[lucid jackal]

Yeah but getting vault dungeon neck is so fake yk

[hazy breach]

Ye

But you know, bis lists and all that

[warm marlin]

not sure why its not just crafted neck + boots long term and bandit wrists

[twilit phoenix]

are you all in on sub this tier guy

[lucid jackal]

Best crafting setup seems neck + boots idk

[hazy breach]

Why boots

[slate lantern]

mechanics are for CHUMPS i hit things and hit them BIG

[ashen terrace]

Actually PvP wrists are heavy vers and low crit not low mastery

[hazy breach]

Theres mastery+vers on every slot besides neck

[ashen terrace]

Still good though cause free socket

[warm marlin]

oh real forgot about boe boots

[lucid jackal]

Idk cuz fuu has it in his bis list

[hazy breach]

Well wowhead bis list cant include boes

for some reason

[twilit phoenix]

wtf just happened

[lucid jackal]

Disc dying

[slate lantern]

i thought i got automodded for saying chumps

[swift tinsel]

had that happen before too, its weird

[twilit phoenix]

oh damn I thought I got flagged for doing a racism

[warm marlin]

craft neck + wrists and buy boe boots for slightly more primary stat or crafted neck + boots and save money

[twilit phoenix]

save your money king

[lucid jackal]

How tf am I buying a mythic BOE bruv

[twilit phoenix]

all that GN boost gold

[keen dome]

Wait a few weeks and buy it then

[warm marlin]

true

[slate lantern]

ForeverGuyForeverFeetpics

[void hound]

yeah fuck boe boots

might be a craft angle

[warm marlin]

weapon -> boots -> neck is bis and u cant tell me otherwise

[void hound]

although sprocket boots arent tooooooo bad

they have no haste at least

[lucid jackal]

Bro I got 8m gold I ain't poor

[steel horizon]

wait which glove slot is vers/mast?

a boe as well?

[warm marlin]

none but there's a mast/crit and a vers/crit

[slate lantern]

theres a m+

[warm marlin]

so not too bad

[fickle mason]

At how many targets are you guys actually black powdering, is there certain mobs you prio even with lots of targets? In dungeons

[twilit phoenix]

7+

[slate lantern]

7+

[keen dome]

When do Mythic BoE's unlock? End of the race or? I can't recall

[void hound]

from where

[young mural]

What do you guys be running on back and wrist, leech, speed or avoidance?

[twilit phoenix]

if it's around 7-9 and there's a giga prio target I'll still evisc tbh

but if it's like 12 or 15+

[slate lantern]

oh sry crit mast

[twilit phoenix]

Bp has too much value

[steel horizon]

so then crafted gloves should be bis no?

[swift tinsel]

rookery gloves are crit/mastery

[warm marlin]

no because ur only boots option are mast/haste or crit/mast

which are both worse than heavy vers/crit or heavy mast/crit

[steel horizon]

why not craft both? lol

[signal heath]

is there a target counter wa?

[warm marlin]

well your only neck option is heavy crit/vers or low ilvl pvp neck

so thats locked in

[alpine wraith]

boots you can get the boe ones

that is my plan at least

[steel horizon]

you have the name of the boots?

[alpine wraith]

they are named jerry i think

[warm marlin]

Firebug's anklegear

[molten citrus]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[signal heath]

is there a coup de grace WA flooting around?

oh nice!

[tranquil blaze]

hey its me ur brother

[west tide]

hello good conversation guys with this news ill be crafting a necklace or perhaps some boots ty

if i do pvp i might die

chat can i put regular settings on the pvp neck or i gotta farm pvp sockets

[warm marlin]

farm pvp sockets

[ashen terrace]

pvp wrists neck boe boots and cauldron belt

[keen dome]

pvp sockets only, sadly

[ashen terrace]

Craft gloves

[keen dome]

it's 3 bloodstones + 5k honour per socket

[west tide]

ok ya we aint doin all that!!

[ashen terrace]

Seems pretty easy to me

[west tide]

i got lfr tier in that slot bro i cant!!

[mighty citrus]

^team is there a bug with 4set or so?

[ashen terrace]

There’s groups that fly around and get crates dont really have to do PvP

[mighty citrus]

yesterday without i did more dmg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GzvTa9b83ZHpLnFm?fight=last&type=casts&source=27&view=timeline

😄

whats wrong here

[slate lantern]

oh weird i thought it was in the pins

[west tide]

ima have to craft a neck guys

[swift tinsel]

it was, but they appear to be fixed

[west tide]

but all i have to do is pvp a lil...

ugh

wait i got some honor ok ok ok

[wicked urchin]

thank god he could trade and thank god most classes don't like vers

[keen dome]

Damn, that's a lotta speed on it. Nice

[west tide]

just get lucky guys

[wicked urchin]

dayum

[mighty citrus]

okay for real

[sick jackal]

yo why do we not craft nech instead of boots in the bis list at wowhead?

[mighty citrus]

cause in theory the list gives you the best result if you have exactly this gear

but gear is different

for some it might me worth to craft the neck

[keen dome]

I would just sim the crafts and see what you beenfit most from

BiS lists suck and aren't helpful imho

They're a relic of an older time

[mighty citrus]

but it is at least something to orient on

[swift tinsel]

if they weren't required it'd be healthier

[keen dome]

Yeah

[mighty citrus]

so i appreciate fuus effort 😛

[swift tinsel]

droptimizer and top gear sims tell you more than any bis list

[keen dome]

Fuu does an amazing job with them. But they're still not a useful metric 'cos you'd need every item on it for it to work

[sick jackal]

so thats like a future plan

mid/end of season

[swift tinsel]

Yeah and it takes a fair bit of time to sim that many permutations

[keen dome]

Mid / end of season but also never potentially because of RNG.

And your own situation may different for various reasons rendering it not as applicable.

[swift tinsel]

some of the top gear sims I was doing for ptr stuff were like 20+ minutes to run one

[keen dome]

Hence: simming yourself

[wild hornet]

sometimes u gotta do what u gotta do

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[glacial hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jolly pasture]

whats up with step on gally?

[steel horizon]

im probably just gonna end up crafting all 3 of the neck, gloves, and boots. depending on the price of the boe boots ofc

[viscid elk]

!log

[steel horizon]

i believe they fixed it

[vale pine]

its basically a symptom of the underlying problem of quick access to information

its so to say the "tier list" meta before tier list

[keen dome]

Yeah, absolutely

People do like their lists.

It made sense in the past, too. It's just a sypmtom of WoW changing, and people, like you say, wanting quick answers to complex questions.

[west tide]

whats max ilevel on conq items

[keen dome]

658

[west tide]

icky

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[jolly pasture]

no they didnt

i press on boss i step somehwere random

[steel horizon]

weird. i couldve sworn that i saw they fixed it in the patch notes.

they lied

[ornate heron]

if you get conquest trinket, do you still macro it with blades and just hold it for 30 seconds every time?

[molten citrus]

think so yep

its basically neutral to sending on cd

[subtle wing]

Is anyone else feeling weak in AOE or am I just missing something? 12s and 13s I am now keeping up in big packs.

[smoky vault]

I'm not at that point yet but I would guess knowing the spec that it could happen that you're in a middle of a big pack with lot of life but few left in between your CDs and so your DPS going down until pack is finished ?

[jolly pasture]

they fixed this maybe but you still step to china despite clicking ob boss

sectec clones also bugged

not hitting big adds on the side

if you target boss

[smoky vault]

Caustic splatter fix was not enough

[steel horizon]

as per wowhead, sectec aoe is around the player, not target

[smoky vault]

Yeah everything is around you which is good for target Switch and aimed at this

[steel horizon]

even though the tooltip says its around the target.. weird

[smoky vault]

But drawbacks positionning for cleaving

[honest grail]

Do we get dmg bonus during dance/stealth? Is

[twilit phoenix]

Yeah

20% during dance

It’s in the tooltip bro

[honest grail]

I find myself having timings where I can't use dance but I can use sod & sectexc

[twilit phoenix]

Yeah that’s normal

[smoky vault]

Yeah

[honest grail]

So I just send then

[autumn glade]

If it's not going to mess with your shadowblades window, yeah

[lilac stag]

[honest grail]

Appreciate the help bros

[jolly pasture]

im standing inside the mobs its not possible for them not to hit idk

[signal heath]

what S2 M+ WA yall using?

[half seal]

Hello lads, why raidbot pops SoD before evisc and not secret tech (literally every SoD except the first one)

[signal heath]

i use to love quazii but his stuff is paywall now i think

[edgy zenith]

as long as sectech is first two finishers after SoD, it's fine

you want it supercharged

[modest delta]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[half seal]

ok yeah thanks

[edgy zenith]

using it like the sims does can save you losing your tier set stacks before the sectech because otherwise that first evis inside the dance would be outside dance if you sent the first charged on the sectech

slightly better to pop dance/sod at around 11s left on sectech

[golden kelp]

I got selected for Ball on Stix while having 4 stacks of Coup De Grace, it remained on 4 afterwards and it didnt proc after that.

[plain jacinth]

!fuu

[molten citrus]

Usually happens because of lag

Have to relog

[lucid jackal]

U can just swap ds swap trickster

[golden kelp]

yeah that solved it

[golden kelp]

will keep that in mind

ty

[bitter verge]

yes

[limpid sage]

Is there somewhere I can see what “!” commands there are?

[vale pine]

there is !help but i think not perfectly updated

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lusty narwhal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wild hornet]

do i macro battle pot to flag or sblades

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[spice matrix]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[west tide]

dude im already gonna die and im just afkin bgs

i dont have it in me

[swift tinsel]

the crate groups I've tried just get farmed

[worthy pulsar]

Guys in theory, does stat distribution matter? Is 50/50 mast/vers better than 100/0 mast/ver for example?

[hexed sluice]

Gotta find a friend on a onesided server, like MG Ally is always a safe bet to get every crate

[west tide]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/subtlety/secondary_distributions/castingpatchwerk

[misty hedge]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lucid jackal]

Just craft neck next week

[west tide]

the boots though bro...

we need those..

[molten citrus]

careful full afking them

enough reports and u can catch a week ban these days fr

[swift tinsel]

jesus

fair tho

I'm playing queue simulator

[lilac stag]

Being alliance clearly the smart play for crate farming.

[molten citrus]

[glossy turtle]

are there any keys that are obvious sub picks?

top?

[lilac stag]

Top for what?

[glossy turtle]

Theatre of pain

[lilac stag]

sub is obvious pick in all keys.

Not sure what you’re asking

[glossy turtle]

why?

is it obvious?

[lilac stag]

it’s insane boss dmg and more than enough aoe

Assa is one or the other. Outlaw is well unalive yourself with killing spree

so yes, to me it’s obvious.

[glossy turtle]

fair enough brotha

just like assa as well

[lilac stag]

you can run assa just fine

[glossy turtle]

just got 4-peice though

so gonna run sub

[lilac stag]

it’s not all of the sudden bad

gz on 4pc

[swift tinsel]

are arena skirmishes basically an unrated throwaway

or do people get sweaty

[molten citrus]

ye

[swift tinsel]

cool bc I'm probably gonna have to do a fair few of them

[molten citrus]

u might run into a couple decent ppl here n there

why would u spam skirms

just do 1 win for the daily bonus

[minor bobcat]

if youre trying to build a secret technique how many cps should be minimum to cast? ive been sitting at 5/7 for my minimum but i was wondering if htat one should be higher or maxed

[molten citrus]

after 1 win u only get like 5 conq from them or some shit

[swift tinsel]

ah lame

[molten citrus]

do 1 BG 1 epic BG 1 skirm

for the daily bonuses

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's what I'm doing atm

and the brawl

[molten citrus]

afk in open world with WM on for crates

[swift tinsel]

tried crates and was a waste of time bc there's no groups

[molten citrus]

pick up the pvp weekly quests

from Ruffious

near the target dummies and conq vendor

[keen dome]

I have a dumb rogue question to ask: distract doesn't make detection work differenrly, right?

[swift tinsel]

and there's a bunch of alliance doing them and very little horde

[molten citrus]

they also give a lil conq

[terse dirge]

I never really thought of it this way but you’re right. Sin st in keys is trash. They have more overall damage at the end of the key bc they can pad meters on trash but sub carries hard on bosses.

[swift tinsel]

Got the skirmish weekly but the other is arena

[molten citrus]

there's also the sparks of war weekly

[tepid trellis]

me watching my guild do styx from the sideline

[terse dirge]

Why is sub not taken on that fight?

[glossy turtle]

any bad sub keys? heard cinderbrew was a bit meh

[ashen terrace]

its fine just nothing special so usually one of the first classes to go

need good classes and more ranged

[bleak night]

max said on stream that atro doesnt work on a lot of the damage on that fight

but he mightve been making that shit up

wouldnt be surprised

[keen dome]

Unbeelieveable

[tepid trellis]

atro barely does anything on it and you wanna play as little melee as possible

so its the obv choice

and sub's cleave range is kinda tiny

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-momoa-chair-interested-gif-9751403

I’m ready

[lucid jackal]

If u aren't balance druid Ur a liability

[clever delta]

the hc gallawix is really nice for sub

some as riverb

[tepid trellis]

noob

but yeh like gallywix timers are fcking dope for sub

cant wait for the mythic version

seems like a banger boss

[jolly pasture]

do you hold for any adds?

[tepid trellis]

what do you think?

[jolly pasture]

which ones

[tepid trellis]

pull
1:50 p2 add spawns
3:30 boss + 2 adds
5:40 add spawns
7:10 add spawns

thats what i did

[lilac pendant]

Can i macro Shadow blades and Shadow dance together?

[clever delta]

what was your kill timer big boy

cos we barely killed 😄

[tepid trellis]

40 sec shorter

[tepid trellis]

ideally not

[lilac pendant]

Why is that?

[tepid trellis]

they arent used at the same time

[clever delta]

BTW we had 0 house of cards drops 0 kezan drops and 0 rings

[final granite]

quick Q, the aoe from Nimble Flurry, how many yards is it and does it go from around boss (similar to caustic) or from around character?

[clever delta]

all i got from raid is bracer

[tepid trellis]

its a copy of BF

[smoky vault]

Wait, you have 90 sec wasted on your timers so basically 1 CD phase. Adds compensate ?

[final granite]

and size is like what, 10 yards?

[lilac pendant]

?

[tepid trellis]

"during"

not with

its used "with" sectech

[mighty citrus]

anyone has time and energy to have a look on my mythic cauldron log please?

[tepid trellis]

you dont really

[mighty citrus]

helping me improve

[tepid trellis]

unless your fight is like 8:00+

there is only 70 sec lost in what i posted

so unless you get a specific timer where you'd get another cast

then it would be worth it to save for adds

and even then, the dmg gained from adds would win

[tepid trellis]

iirc 8

[clever delta]

im actually BS enjyoer now

but i forget about it like every other dance

[fallen fable]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vzpFaYR7QZJtxf43?fight=29&type=damage-done why do i log only 75 ? i can't do more ?

is some1 see something wrong ???

[lilac pendant]

whats the rotation on HUGE pulls?

[final granite]

thanks g

[pure dust]

so each of those time stamps you are sending full cd (flag+Sblades)?

[fallen fable]

@tepid trellis can you look ? if you have 2 min

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vzpFaYR7QZJtxf43?fight=29&type=damage-done

[tepid trellis]

its just rotational mistakes, double tapping SoD, not having CB sectech for 2nd dance in cds, using blades before dance attwo points + not having 2x dance + 2x SoD for it

[viral girder]

I accidentally deleted my rupture weakaura tracking.....

[jaunty heath]

holy shit to anyone that thinks about taking house of cards in vault instead of a myth piece

fucking do it

life is so much better

[tepid trellis]

do you wanna fight?

ill throw hands cuh

[viral girder]

I ... I struggled t get this weakaura up and now I just deleted on accident.

I hate it here.

[jaunty heath]

Atm ill fight anyone

I got it from my guild

just be nice

[swift tinsel]

dude don't tempt me

[fallen fable]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[jaunty heath]

I swear its worth any day of the week

[swift tinsel]

I've got a normal one just staring at me in the vault

[jaunty heath]

the first few pulls i was still pressing my trinket button and moving around like an idiot

then when i got used to not doing that

my life quality went up

by 300%

[fallen fable]

There is any macro to not double sod ?

[jaunty heath]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[fallen fable]

ty sir

[keen yew]

what's the starting point of the spread of nimble fury, the target or myself ?

[swift tinsel]

it ain't much but its honest work

[autumn flame]

assa with ct gonna be useful

[swift tinsel]

holy everliving fuck that feels so much better to play with

[native zodiac]

transmitter enjoyer ( )

[tepid trellis]

i should ban anybody that has HoC

[quick compass]

is there a worthwhile replacement for treacherous transmitter or pvp on use trinket if I wanna try sub?

[lilac stag]

No

Pvp is the replacement

[autumn flame]

gonna absolutely demolish my transmitter when i get hoc

[lilac stag]

It takes 2-3 hours if you’re bad.

[quick compass]

I'm multiglad, just not on rogue

just fucking hate current pvp

[jaunty heath]

The first item I ever disenchanted in my time playing

[lilac stag]

you can deal with getting 700 conquest

[quick compass]

what's the best way of getting conq without having pvp gear

you'd have like 100k hp in skirms or 2's

is there some weekly event thing

[lilac stag]

warchests randoms buy the green pvp tokens on ah

[autumn flame]

think im gonna buy some champagne so i can celebrate in style when i get it

[quick compass]

what do you mean pvp tokens

[lilac stag]

The awards for gear

Or check #pvp

[swift tinsel]

Heraldry

[lilac stag]

We just role play as pvpers for pve gear

[quick compass]

that

's what I had to do in cata

[upper narwhal]

0 set pieces and 0 HoC dropped this week, screaming and throwing up rn gotta wait for reset to get 4p

[quick compass]

but reversed roles

[quick latch]

does suspicios energydrink (hero 6/6) 665 only sim higher because its higher ilvl or is it better than eye of kezan on (champion 8/8) 658?

[mighty citrus]

how you guys open on rix? i feels odd to do the minigame from transmitter when he is up

[jaunty heath]

Evasion

Some people cd after from what I saw on lorrgs

But I just evasion that shit

Surely if you cd after your cds aren’t long enough to catch adds spawning

[quick compass]

ty

[jaunty heath]

Or?

I need someone to tell me this

Sir raccoon

[native zodiac]

mythic?

[fallen fable]

i stopped the macro @tepid trellis https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fNZ7rMdKAv2xQJXa?fight=35&type=damage-done&source=13

can you look that ?

[keen yew]

i feel like it's ok personnally

[fallen fable]

its sound way better or ?

[tepid trellis]

i wait for adds

im guessing you mean Rik riverb

or?

[mighty citrus]

yeah sorry

just progging it

[quick latch]

does suspicios energydrink (hero 6/6) 665 only sim higher because its higher ilvl or is it better than eye of kezan on (champion 8/8) 658?

[tepid trellis]

evasion his smack down

[mighty citrus]

and try to find my rhythm

[tepid trellis]

start cds at 14 sec in

pad on barrels

stonk up!

[mighty citrus]

😄

[undone olive]

How much of a gain is 4pc lads

[jaunty heath]

Oh so you do hold for barrels

[mighty citrus]

but do i get a second sec before intermission then?

[jaunty heath]

They healthy enough on mythic I guess

[tepid trellis]

if you do it at 14 sec in yes

you get a 2nd set

[native zodiac]

ye it fits perfectly

[mighty citrus]

okidoki

[hazy breach]

Its a very good trinket, thats why it sims higher

[jaunty heath]

I almost took that thing over socket head tier

But I held off

Gonna get it natty

Surely

[hazy breach]

I just looted mine natty from my first map

[jaunty heath]

Goddamn it’s that easy

[hazy breach]

Just like i looted knife last season

First map

[undone olive]

And question for packs without a chunky mob, do you guys skip that go or still send flag/blades if it’s up ?

[tepid trellis]

cooldowns on cooldown

[hazy breach]

Send anyway usually, cant be holding onto you 90 second cooldown for 60 seconds

[jaunty heath]

Doesn’t this make you hold cds for phase tho?

[tepid trellis]

you get 2 cds in p1

[jaunty heath]

He phases at like 1:40 or something

[tepid trellis]

1 in p2

no he doesent

[jaunty heath]

Oh really

[tepid trellis]

its a long ass cast he does

[jaunty heath]

Okay this is good info before we prog

Thanks king

Hope you get your hoc

[tepid trellis]

2min in

he goes immune

[jaunty heath]

Okay that makes it perfect timing then ye

I felt like it’s earlier for some reason

[cloud kestrel]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs