subtlety

[bleak night]

for eu

[wild hornet]

No

Unfortunately

[vale pine]

you can, its no damage diffrence, the opener on wowhead is just simpler

[wild hornet]

Or at least i havent seen him

[molten citrus]

ah, yeah i've been wondering because i haven't seen him in the raid

[weary crag]

I use vanish for a quick 6cp evis

when i need to get my dance quick

for my cds

[molten citrus]

he's swapped between echo/liquid a couple times iirc

[wild hornet]

He was on a skii trip

At season start

[jaunty heath]

He’s also not interested in doing the race anymore

[vale pine]

what does "skii trip" mean?

[jaunty heath]

Especially after last race

[wild hornet]

Ye

They had some arguments

On queen

Afaik

[molten citrus]

vacation in mountains to ski

[jaunty heath]

Yea, And the whole zealia thing I don’t think he’d want to interact with echo anymore.

[void ocean]

what happened with Zealia?

[jaunty heath]

Now the zealia topic is a tough one but no one really knows so prob better to not comment on it

[vale pine]

ohh, i assumed it was slang for something else

XD

[bleak night]

hes on a "ski trip" helping gingi with the emps

since gingi couldnt leave the race to do it

[jaunty heath]

This rwf had very good bits so far

gingi emp and worgen exploit are goated

[umbral topaz]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[bleak night]

dude the wowhead commenter just making up how the exploit worked got me so good

[jaunty heath]

Just a good summary on the quality in wowhead comments

[wild hornet]

As they say its to generate clicks and traffic

[bleak night]

i mean i dont think a random commenter is worried about wowhead metrics

[wild hornet]

Tbh idfk

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tame siren]

is there a reason why shuriken storm won't always generate a combo point?

testing on dummies it often gives 0

[tribal blade]

creeper damage from darkflame

i'm helping

plus we got the cool bug where the cart just booked it to the end and we had a triple creeper pull

cool shit

[vale pine]

alright, i added the pvp trinket to the single target sims on !sheet

[molten citrus]

[tame siren]

a few people on my realm also saying shuriken storm isn't giving combo points

no one here getting that?

[steel zinc]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

haven't run into that issue yet

[molten citrus]

Only -1.3% from BiS, not bad

[vale pine]

oh wait 1.3 is above

ye

[tame siren]

might just be a target dummy thing

[molten citrus]

Prolly just some lag thing

[molten citrus]

Ye eye of kezan + pvp I think

[vale pine]

ye, its not bad

weird

[umbral topaz]

Any thoughts on pacemaker? Doesnt seem to line up that well with CDs half the time, but still sims well?

[vale pine]

you can use pmuch most passive trinkets in your 2nd slot

so can just get one of the delve trinkets on heroic, kezan, or one of the other options

you can't rly go wrong with your 2nd slot this seaosns most trinkets are equally good (or bad, depending on how you look at it)

[tribal blade]

i just found out i'm 1 of 2 people with the lowest loot score in my entire raid team

[fair kelp]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

and we're gonna be progging gallywix this week

[vale pine]

good luck

[tribal blade]

ty!

[vale pine]

i think i am mostly fucked again this tier

[tribal blade]

how come?

[small spruce]

Back to back garbage ball when cds coming back up😢

[vale pine]

because we keep using the same tier set distribution strategy, and we had one tier set drop for rogue token

[tribal blade]

daaamn

[vale pine]

basically, my assumption is that tier set drops are somewhat dependent on classes in the raid

because, for 3 seasons now

[tribal blade]

it seems rng

[vale pine]

we get close to no tokens on the classes which are least presented in the raid

which is the rogue token

[umbral topaz]

Sounds good, will think less about it then 😀

[tribal blade]

for my team this tier is the first time in several tiers where a lot of the rogue token has been dropping

but yeah the past few tiers we've gotten barely any rogue tokens

[vale pine]

out strategy for loot distribution, my gf and other officers think is the one everyone gets the best outcome the fastest

is to give people 2p/4p priority

means, the tokens with a lot of players, which typically drop a lot

also get the "free for all tokens" at the end boss

instead of us trying to average it out by giving the tokens to people who had no drop so far or tokens we haven't seen drop

it means i might see my first tier set from raid week 3 or 4

[tribal blade]

damn that blows

[vale pine]

we don't raid that competitively (we start mythic a bit later than the hardcore players)

so all it does is create a temporary power imbalance between the ones who got tier faster and the ones who need to wait for others to get their 2p/4p done before omni tokens are distributed to them

and this is fairly opinionated.

because other officers do like this way of distribution.

[tribal blade]

making sure you have fair loot distribution seems so incredibly complicated

[vale pine]

haha ye

the one we have is the most fair, we usually look to have gear evenly distributed so everybody gets something

[umbral topaz]

Fuck PvP trinket sims as a 5.5% loss for my current gear

[vale pine]

if anyone wants to sim the pvp trinket

#trinket1=prized_gladiators_badge_of_ferocity,id=229780,ilevel=658

can copy/paste this below in top gear

[umbral topaz]

Only a 1.5% loss with that and changing pacemaker to another trinket i have 😮😮 even tho i have mythic transmitter
Fuck in doing PvP

[haughty mural]

just have a lot of monk rerollers

[frozen gyro]

Anyone who has 4/5. Do you wait with shadow dance to specific stacks to keep them up high like outlaw roll the bones buff

[limpid sage]

How much of a dps increase is the cold blood 2nd secret technique optimization?

[frozen gyro]

Or do you use shadow dance regardless of winning streak

[vale pine]

If you want to sim all trinkets, can use this:

it is kind of the same as the one in tc-research just does not require you to copy trinkets together

^^

[wet idol]

We have 2 monks, 1 rogue and 1 warr in a a 15 raid party and still no token, so I think its rng idk

[rotund depot]

hey guys, in your opinion who has the best rogue WA package? im using luxthos atm but when i use SoD / SD the number on the spell its not super clear if its active or the cooldown for another charge and it gets a little confusing. I was hoping for a package that clearly shows that its active or not active

[haughty mural]

is this one also pinned over there ?

[keen dome]

LE's is really, really good and robust. But making your own modifications is also a good way to get comfy with a WA package

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[rotund depot]

i have no idea how to customise them lmao so i kinda just use them at face value

ill try that out now

[vale pine]

no

[native zodiac]

Whispyrs afenars edit is the best one imo but its all preference

[vale pine]

it is just the list i copied together for the sheet

[keen dome]

Truth, all about finding the one you like the most

[vale pine]

it includes the pvp trinket, transmitter and such

so a one copy/pasta for trinkets

[haughty mural]

oh yea i figured - sorry for the dumb question

[umbral topaz]

Man im gonna run more sims when i get home

[native zodiac]

Theres no dumb questions

[vale pine]

^ tokin is correct, don't be afraid to ask questions

[molten citrus]

~1-1.3% or so

[haughty mural]

for me it is - because i should have known 😛

[wild hornet]

Anyone able to help me with #1349605408310038530 ?

[wild hornet]

You havent seen mine

[obtuse warren]

hey guys, quick question:
did some of you experience the bug that Coup de Grace is not coming out and u character keeps performing Eviscerate instead?

[molten citrus]

it happens when you get a lag spike as coup procs, relog fixes

[obtuse warren]

ah thank u 🙂 had it happen to me in sprockenmonger first Coup came out after that bugged out 😂

[hollow spear]

Imagine keeping your trinket bound to flagellation after switching to house of cards

Couldn't be me

[maiden trench]

Guys stupid question but would you prefer use black powder on single target instead of coup de grace if you don’t have shadow dance up? Because sometime I’m keeping coup de grace 20 secondes while I use black powder but I feel it’s a dps loss?

[keen dome]

Imagine not putting HoC in slot 13, which is your macro, and instead putitng it in slot 14. And then being confused at why the macro wouldn't work. Couldn't have been me, either.

[hollow spear]

I wouldn't use BP for that, just send coup

[hollow spear]

We wouldn't do shit like that

[fleet acorn]

How do I get trickster Logo

[maiden trench]

Another question when I look at rank 1 log and myself his shadow blade is doing wayyyy more dmg than mine and I don’t know what I am doing wrong, because almost every other spell are the same as the rank 1?

[maiden trench]

Oh ok thanks we don’t care then to keep it for shadow dance?

[hollow spear]

There's probably some 0.1% optimisation somewhere

But it's generally recommended to just send

If you have coup when going into an in between flag window dance, you coup then sectex

[maiden trench]

Ok so it’s not that big of a deal, thanks a lot bro

[molten citrus]

the very last pin of this channel, click to jump to that message and change you react to it

[lapis crypt]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice saffron]

so in a fully single target boss in a key for example, after my full opener set of cds are done. i've been just sorta hitting the boss until i have a coup ready (assuming im not gnna overcap on symbols or dance) and then sending my next dance so it's supercharged? that optimal?

[hollow spear]

as long as you're not overcapping/losing casts that sounds fine to me

but in M+ or boss fights it's probably more optimal to align your align your sectecs/dances with large pulls/packs/add spawns

[hallow sigil]

Wait are we sending dance for coup not sectec now or what's all this coup talk I see?

[hollow spear]

stick to the guides

[hallow sigil]

So yeh coup is just 2nd highest prio but we still center dance/symbols around sectec ty

[spice saffron]

was talking in a fully single target boss scenario

[glass jasper]

What's the procrate of setbonus?

[molten citrus]

you don't have to focus on supercharging it

our biggest focus is on sec tech

[wild hornet]

Just do use 13 and 14

Gg

[spice saffron]

my thinking was i have 2 dances to use however i want between my first big cds and my 2nd right. so was thinking aiming to supercharge my coup was just a gain if i can do without overcapping on any dance/symbols, or is there somtehing im not consdiering

[silent pecan]

and sectec goes always on dance? cause sometimes I have symbols and sectec, but dance has 30s remaining

[leaden prairie]

Always put your on use trinket on the top slot !

Because sim does the same !

You are now a sim!

[rain kernel]

any1 facing the tempest potion bugging out in the macro...and not being consumed...

[quick crater]

yes

[wild hornet]

Mine is always on 14

[quick crater]

use this instead /use item:212265

[wild hornet]

I manually click it from my character panel

[quick crater]

or rank 2 /use item:212264

[leaden prairie]

you are wrong then!

[rain kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-waynes-world-you-are-the-master-worship-bow-gif-17398753

[rain kernel]

and rank 3?

[white thunder]

!GUIDE

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[molten citrus]

combo point damage scales linearly so it just won't matter

[quick crater]

the first i sent /use item:212265

[spice saffron]

so how do i play around maximising coup damage if that's not an example

just for aoe?

[molten citrus]

i don't think coup damage needs to be maximized

just sec tech

[quick crater]

lets say i have 3 seconds left of dance and i can only fit 3 globals inside that window, i have 0cp, 2 stacks of escalating blade and 2 faze. do i double shadowstrike and munch cp to get coup inside dance or do i shadowstrike -> evis -> shadowstrike?

[molten citrus]

you mean unseen blade?

but you would just evis

[quick crater]

ye, okey thanks

[molten citrus]

oh you meant eb, the buff

but ye just evis i'm pretty sure

you can't force more procs afaik

there's a CD on building stacks/proc'ing it

[quick crater]

okey so its not that important to actually get Coup inside dance?

[molten citrus]

afaik we just send coup now for the most part

i think it can be a gain if you already have coup proc'd, to coup->sec tech in CDs

but afaik in most scenarios in ST you don't do any weird holding

[quick crater]

okey, first time playing sub so im trying to figure out the rotation and priorities. Thanks for the help

[vale pine]

you can if you min/max use BP around 20 secound before flagellation/blades come back up to get coup in big cooldowns

[wild hornet]

Not wrong if you click it from your trinket slot

[quick crater]

BP?

[vale pine]

black powder

[quick crater]

ohh

[vale pine]

this bad boy

[hallow sigil]

The guides lead me to believe this happens if you make a mistake with cooldown timings. But the same thing happens to me. I just send symbols+sectec in that case and it all lines back up after

Is it a mistake or does it just happen sometimes?

[quick crater]

ahh okey for the extra shadow dmg i guess?

[lilac stag]

@vale pine is there an actual cutoff time in sims (ST) where it won’t send finishers before flag based on winning streak stacks? I’m assuming there’s something, even as low as 4 seconds.

[vale pine]

no

to delay the coup proc

its 0.2% dps tho

so ... idk

[quick crater]

okey okey i see, because u dont wanna use evi?

[vale pine]

yes

okay okay but the cook

would be to not use bp but rupture/snd

for tier set stacks

[hallow sigil]

Also also. I'm pretty new to sub as I just started it last week for the first time. What's the deal with us sending on 6+CP only? Do you never send on 5? For instance in dance if I strike and get 5 do you strike again or evis?

[vale pine]

6+ is the best trade off between energy return and damage output

[quick crater]

thanks appreciate it

[regal shard]

how does the range of nimble furry work is it based off ur location or ur targets location

[hallow sigil]

Ah tyvm. So ideally always with 6+ and never on lower or situationally sometimes maybe with 5?

[vale pine]

same as blade flurry

[vale pine]

yes, 6+ always

[hallow sigil]

Thanks

[hollow spear]

That's what I was thinking

Coup holding and tier set stacks are two sides of the same coin

[vale pine]

think there was no gain last time i checked

but its still probably worth in practice if you need damage at certain points

like first boss

[hollow spear]

I guess it's no gain at worst and a decent gain at best

because your damage 20 seconds before flag is wet noodle territory anyways

the good thing about rupturing is that you don't rupture right after flag, which allows for the coup to be used on flag

sometimes I have to re-rupture and then my coup comes after sectec

[pure dust]

What's the etiquette on log reviews? Can I paste my log here to see if someone can review? Or is there another channel

[hollow spear]

you can "!log" and post them there

to not crowd this channel

[molten citrus]

the command will open a thread for you

[void hound]

does it make a difference to use that coup as first finisher after flag or do we want to use it in dance after sectec?

[vale pine]

you want to use coup in dance ye

[hollow spear]

but aren't you losing out on flawless form stacks on your first sectec then?

[void hound]

thats what i was thinking

also is holding coup only worth it for flag windows or inbetween dances too?

[hollow spear]

and you'll "lose" some unseen blade stacks from sectec as well

if I am not mistaken

then again, if you're sending it on flag, the stacks drop after 12 seconds

which means they'll be gone by the time you're sending your second sectec...

[void hound]

yeah

[jaunty heath]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[hollow spear]

if you're not giga lucky with your sht procs

I am literally that guy rn

[void hound]

fr fr

[vestal escarp]

Im losing my mind over evis crits in flag

Literally millions apart each pull

[leaden prairie]

just dont look

[hollow spear]

crit as a stat isn't real

it's 50/50

either you crit or you don't

:^)

[vestal escarp]

Others do

And /w me

"?"

?

[leaden prairie]

i can wwhisp you if you want

[lilac stag]

Have you considered just critting?

[hollow spear]

No, I am busy worrying about minute details that will never matter because I make mistakes that have a larger impact than 0.5%

[vestal escarp]

Backstabbers, i swear

[hollow spear]

Maybe you can ask some of the nifty programmers here to create a weakaura that whispers you on each non-crit evis during flag

Or blast you with an air-horn

[regal harness]

I just hide details and check how bad i did after the key. Out of a sight, out of mind.

[hollow spear]

I guess I can just send that in any delve to collect the map and then use it before I do a bountiful delve?

[tribal blade]

easier to just use it in a bountiful delve, then use the map you get immediately

and finish the delve

[chrome flax]

Hey guy, during m+ to reduce cool down I did a macro for using extra combo point with slice and dice before next pack since anyway we open with full combo point
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Slice and Dice
/cast Slice and Dice

nice way to dump any if you finish on a CB generator ability

[hollow spear]

Are you sure that works?

[tribal blade]

yes it works

[hollow spear]

I could swear I tried and it didn't use up the map

[tribal blade]

done it twice now 😉

[native zodiac]

Can also confirm it works

[hollow spear]

Okay, will try

[chrome flax]

what ma I missing?

I need to buy this for bounty?

[tribal blade]

i just press snd before the next pull, sometimes you don't have enough CPs to snd for sure

[hollow spear]

you can buy this for the map

[chrome flax]

that is why I cancel aura

[tribal blade]

using that item guarantees a map

[chrome flax]

otherwise it wont let you snd

[tribal blade]

true

[chrome flax]

yeah, but this season only 1 map a week

[pure dust]

thank you

[tribal blade]

you'd be replacing a high snd with a low one though

[chrome flax]

that is why they gave 100% drop rate on one thing

[sick lichen]

if you use the map before you kill the delve boss you will get the item

[tribal blade]

but not sure if it even matters

[chrome flax]

its ok it will go back at full time at your first evisceration

it doesnt change your attack speed, only the duration

[tribal blade]

could be worth doing, it's an interesting idea

[chrome flax]

Its worth it, in 1 m+ you can save 20cb like this

cp*

Combo Boint xD

[keen dome]

Honestly an interesting idea, yeah

[chrome flax]

I use to cancel aura with right click. Got bored so made that macro and thought some of you might be interested

[tribal blade]

might try using it

but also i'm in the middle of remembering why i retired from key pushing haha

[chrome flax]

You mean, not getting invited all day?

[tribal blade]

nah not that, just mostly the stress

well in part that

[keen dome]

I had a really cursed, funny key today.

Tank and a DPS spent the entire key arguing at each other

[chrome flax]

meh, not that stresseful as dps

[tribal blade]

i've hard pushed keys for years, and a few seasons ago i retired from title pushing

[tribal blade]

it is stressful when you're title pushing

it's very stressful

[tribal blade]

i had a tank completely brick my 12 ML trying to do fancy skips

[chrome flax]

Yeah, probably because I also play healer, but dps feel much more lay back than healing

[oak idol]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

yes healing is a hard job for sure

[oak idol]

its been tough this season

lots of healer reliance

[tribal blade]

just too much time commitment

i haven't seen the sun properly in a while

[oak idol]

and hoping that dps press defensives

[oak idol]

wake up in the morning and go outside bro

best feeling ever

[keen dome]

[oak idol]

then go back to bed'

[keen dome]

Sometimes I wish they'd just play sensibly

[tribal blade]

you mean wake up and immediately log into wow?

/cry

that's me when title pushing haha

[oak idol]

at least looking on the sun in WoW is better than nothing

[oak idol]

Whats the prog looking like?

[chrome flax]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-16644513012642585936

Buy big monitor to trick your brain into being infront of the Sun

[tribal blade]

it's going ok, i haven't been seriously pushing tbh, got some 12s timed

[oak idol]

you going for CE?

[keen dome]

that's me just generally tbh

[tribal blade]

oh yeah i'm on a CE team

we get CE every tier

[tribal blade]

haha nice highfive

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, I'm doing dumb things atm

[chrome flax]

I stop trying CE guild. Now Imm just with a casual one

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/403100064979091457/1349693928194048041/image.png?ex=67d407ec&is=67d2b66c&hm=cf6b2f05ab5fb5c3eb86c7ed2d35e6344848ff7b43d4de8c9ac11408aa5cf216&

🫡

[tribal blade]

dude getting CE is so much less stress than title pushing haha

[keen dome]

I'm gonna CATCH'CHA UP

[tribal blade]

going for CE is honestly pretty chill for the most part

[chrome flax]

get rekt

[tribal blade]

because you're not clocking insane hours in the game

[chrome flax]

.63 more

[keen dome]

In theory I think I could hit 657 easily if I just got hero gloves / cloak / bracers but, effort

[tribal blade]

which website did you find this on

[keen dome]

wowprogress

[keen dome]

lol, I saw your name when I was looking at the top 100 list, hell yeah

BIG

You and Stealthi just right up there

[chrome flax]

if you are part of a guild that do CE. If you are the new one in a CE guild it sucks and you have to do everything by yourself

[native zodiac]

Still got 90 crests too, hoping for dagger drop

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[tribal blade]

hrm seems out of date

[keen dome]

I'm pretty happy with my iLevel considering I just pug n/h and stuff.

RNG luck is the best

[native zodiac]

Ye my guild is going pretty well into this tier and ive been decently lucky

[chrome flax]

my first vault my mythic gear was all garbage. Either not my stats or E Rank trinket. Basically losing the first week

[tribal blade]

oh it has an update feature

[keen dome]

I got a dagger from mine. Only +3 ilevels on MH slot but all the other picks sucked

[midnight iron]

benched for stix

[slate lantern]

642 cause of midterms but did one 10 over time and got mythic tier shoulders kek

[chrome flax]

I was wondering, is off hand useless?

[keen dome]

Stat stick

I forget the precise damage calc I saw in here once but it's extremely minor and the secondaries seem more impactful?

[chrome flax]

Like, is it worth it to focus your off hand after main hand or other piece of gear more important?

[keen dome]

I imagine OH is like, the last piece

[golden totem]

Other piece of gear are usually more important

[chrome flax]

That is what I thought

we do 0 damage auto attack anyway

[native zodiac]

Offhand is a realy bad piece to upgrade, stuff like chest, legs, head, trinkets should always be prio

After mainhand that is

[chrome flax]

Our graph look like a heart beat on warcraft log lol

Crazy, sub is the most popular rogue this season

[chrome flax]

nobody speak this

[mortal trout]

If you ever feel sad bout vault, remember me

[tribal blade]

well this is me right now for key pushing

[chrome flax]

GG

[tribal blade]

but i don't have it in me anymore to keep this pace up

wanna chill 😉

[keen dome]

Daaamn, hell yeah

[hollow spear]

could equip higher ilvl stuff, but it all sims worse

[chrome flax]

I didnt push last season at all. So hard to get invite since the IO was low. But I just hit 2500

[tribal blade]

that won't matter much in a few weeks dw

[chrome flax]

Yeah, now that I hit 2500 I got more invite

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

I'm just being lazy with keys. Doing some 7's for gilded, then a 10 a week for vault and yoloing it

I'll do portals when everyone is geared more

[tribal blade]

the key balance seems quite good for 10s right now

[keen dome]

Yeah

We were only over a 10 Cindermead my friends and I did las tweek by.. 8 minutes? with 26 deaths

It felt super doable

[chrome flax]

Yeah, they nerfed key kinda hard

[tribal blade]

i don't like that place

[chrome flax]

when geared a 15 should be around a 12 of last season

[tribal blade]

one of my least favorite dungeons to do

darkflame cleft is actually pretty nice, the free timer helps too

[keen dome]

Yeah

Motherlode / Top seem easiest

[native zodiac]

Motherload is the goat simply for the damage amp on first boss

[keen dome]

Haha yeah

also 3rd boss is amazing

so much blasting

[chrome flax]

Top is easy, then last boss

[tribal blade]

i think darkflame cleft is by far the easiest dungeon

the timer is so incredibly free

[keen dome]

yeah true but eh

[chrome flax]

I hate key buster being last boss

[stoic granite]

Hi guys, got a min-maxing question

[chrome flax]

I think anyone pushing key right now can come with that conclusion

[weary crag]

tbh all these dungeons suck ass

[keen dome]

I think I'd put Rookery on B if only because pugs fucking struggle like mad on 2nd boss

Otherwise agreed

[stoic granite]

Do we avoid casting evis pre cds when at high? number of set stacks?

[chrome flax]

Oh yeah, is there any guide of how I should use my brand new 4tier

[tribal blade]

everyone thought rookery was the easiest, but when that place gets higher key levels it's actually quite scary

[stoic granite]

this

[weary crag]

seems pretty simple

why guide

[keen dome]

100%

[chrome flax]

Do I wait to get some stack before popping CD?

[stoic granite]

exaclty, thats the question

[hollow spear]

How do we feel about pacemaker? In my mind, it will perform worse in reality when we cannot line up the 3 min flag exactly right.

[weary crag]

you think its worth wasting time on not popping cds

to get stacks?

[chrome flax]

Between first and second boss ouf

[tribal blade]

no don't wait

[weary crag]

instead of getting more cds throughout the fight?

[chrome flax]

No to be honest, making sure Im not wrong more than anything else

[weary crag]

i think its definitely not worth

especially considering the amount of evises you will cast during cd window

[stoic granite]

this is not necessary true

[weary crag]

which will probably give u stacks

[stoic granite]

and its not about waiting

but to avoiding bad luck

[chrome flax]

evis not the thing that give you stack tho, its CP generator

[weary crag]

yeah

[tribal blade]

you can do it depending on your stacks, if you have high stacks and you're like 1-2 finishers away from cds you definitely want to just press rupture

[stoic granite]

this was the answer i was waiting for

thanks

[chrome flax]

or is it every attack, even evis that give stacks

[stoic granite]

its attacks

evis has 15% to consume all stacks

[tribal blade]

it's also worth doing if there's an important moment/damage burn incoming

like on the last boss of rookery

[chrome flax]

Yeah, finisher have 15% to drop it outside shadowdance

[tribal blade]

when the shield phase is about to start you want to bank all your stacks by just pressing rupture

[weary crag]

low chance tbh

but yeah if the situation is legit pre cds and u have high stacks

[stoic granite]

yeah we need some maths here

[weary crag]

sure

but its getting too mathy

[stoic granite]

because maybe its not worth

[chrome flax]

Masquarade vs Bounty ?

[tribal blade]

well losing 1-2 non dance evis/bps to gain more damage in cds

[weary crag]

i think consistent uptime of shadow blades during fights is mroe important

so trying to press it off cd

especially longer fights

so would a 10 second wait be worth it

[chrome flax]

My thought too, but like Prophet is saying, if you are near it. Refresh rupture

[weary crag]

maybe if you time it with ads spawning

sure

[tribal blade]

you're ramping your 4pc much faster in cds and have 8 stacks sooner than if you had pressed evis/bp a few finishers before cds

[stoic granite]

its not about delaying cds ico

its about not pressing evis

if only 1-2 finishers are left

and have high stacks

god is writing, lets wait.

[tribal blade]

this is just feelycraft on my end about the number of finishers

you can do the same thing in M+

[cloud rover]

Cinderbrew really takes a long time

[tribal blade]

if a pack is about to die you can just press rupture and let your team kill them off

[cloud rover]

the floor to Ipa

[tribal blade]

and then go into the next pack wtih stacks

[cloud rover]

its insane

[tribal blade]

yeah it's also kinda complicated

[stoic granite]

Also, probably also said here but u can use punchbag to get 8 stacks and then start key

[tribal blade]

it has a lot of mechanics

[weary crag]

yes for m+ i definitely agree with that analogy

[stoic granite]

u wont lose thos stacks and u can start full stacks

[cloud rover]

Ye also the adds from the hopgoblin, that are just lost dmg

have soooooooooo much life

[tribal blade]

yeah everything about that place is horrendous

how about getting dc'd on the bee boss

when you jump on a bee

[weary crag]

any1 have a weakaura for the stacks btw?

[cloud rover]

We depleted a 10s on weekend, because the Adds on Ipa kept reviving at 80% energy

[vestal escarp]

Cinderbrew is

[tribal blade]

oh nooo

[vestal escarp]

Never ending

[tribal blade]

on that boss i run around rupturing all the adds

[vestal escarp]

You legit can feel like you're one hour in

[tribal blade]

then run back to boss

[vestal escarp]

And be before 2nd boss

[tribal blade]

priory is honestly not too bad either

it's kinda simple

[cloud rover]

Ye but

[tribal blade]

relatively simple

[cloud rover]

you ahve to kick a lot of stuff

and stop it

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure

[cloud rover]

Because Sacred toll + one cast

Deadge

[tribal blade]

yeah sacred toll is kinda crazy

that spell needs a nerf

almost 1 shotting on a 10 is fucking crazy

[cloud rover]

Yeah

And you need to pull big

for the timer

[tepid trellis]

@chrome flax @stoic granite Only time you wanna pay attention to tier set stack is if your cds are VERY soon up like 10-15 sec at most and in m+ when a pack is about to die, other than, its brain off and just press buttons

[chrome flax]

?I prefer brain off lol

[weary crag]

sub can definitely get intensely statistic

in terms of rotation and cd uptime

we have to try and keep it simple

😄

[hollow spear]

we're here to min-max the fun out of a video game

[weary crag]

for sure

im trying to get my 4set and all my bis before thinking about shit like this too much

my gear is garbage

did get normal tier house of cards tho

yay

[hollow spear]

If my room temperature is above 23 degrees, I rupture 25 seconds before flag. Below 23 degrees, I rupture 15 seconds before flag.

[hollow spear]

Jokes aside: I enjoy theorizing about these minute potential improvements. In reality, you're making so many costly mistakes during progression that your 0.5% improvements due to backstab weave pale in comparison

[fervent gazelle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[weary crag]

the backstab weave in the start of the pull is possibly the most annoying shit

[hollow spear]

in M+ you can basically forget about it

[weary crag]

average fury warrior

parsing 99

[lilac stag]

Playing wrong spec mate.

[proven plover]

that pic is so inaccurate..

where is my pink color

[vale pine]

adjusted the graph for ret paladin

[hollow spear]

if you parse grey on ret

you must not be pressing buttons

[cloud rover]

Exactly

they are clicking

[vale pine]

someone needs to parse gray

[hollow spear]

that is correct

we need to start a campaign to lure ret paladins to sub

[placid elk]

no dont bring them here

let them have their 20 yard range melee abilities and not kick anything

[tribal blade]

would you like to join my guild

[proven plover]

I just stopped kicking myself to show dominance

[placid elk]

grape arses only

[tribal blade]

what a perfect title too

[placid elk]

so if someone does green it gets kicked from guild?

[tribal blade]

i am a trashmater

master even

[vale pine]

sounds like a lot of fun

reminds me on that asian guy

[tribal blade]

if you like nonstop jokes in raid yeah 😉

[vale pine]

idk if anyone remembers

that did mythic+ and spend 10+ hours streaming whiping through them

[placid elk]

in shadowlands?

[tribal blade]

OH the korean guy

[vale pine]

possible, not sure exactly what xpac it was

[placid elk]

i remember some video it was that sl kyrian dungeon where the last boss runs away and you need to throw the spear

[tribal blade]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ClearTrustworthyDaikonKappaWealth

i found him

this guy

just a casual 13 hour key

i just realized there's a sub rogue in there lol

[placid elk]

sub rogue in first season of sl was so bad lol

[weary crag]

sl was the worst thing to come out of blizzard

bfa sub rogue s1 was so great

[placid elk]

i liked it, the time gated stuff was bad, but it was ok

[keen dome]

[hollow spear]

Just do it!

950 deaths

[tribal blade]

WOWOW

[keen dome]

😨

[hollow spear]

I'd have to dip because of repair costs

[vestal escarp]

[chrome flax]

Number of death only account to extra 1h to the key

wtf

[hollow spear]

Maybe I am burning the food, but I feel like "over-rupturing" once or so when at 8 stacks between opener and your first shadow dance at like 20 seconds could be the play

[chrome flax]

so still 12h lol

[vestal escarp]

Does that violate geneva conventions?

[weary crag]

or you gamba it and get some extra damage in

15%

[hollow spear]

I don't know

a dry evis (maybe with symbols)

[weary crag]

tbh if its evis without symbols

might as well rupture

so you dont do it during cds

[hollow spear]

even with symbols

[chrome flax]

gotta love when a tank leave on last boss after it is the reason we wipe on it and wont time it. In ML, tank under a helicopter. The whole group got wipe cept me lol. Second ML 10 failed because of the same thing

[keen dome]

[chrome flax]

Tank privileges

[tribal blade]

damn yeah we had the same thing happen in a 11 ML today, but luckily we had enough time to do the boss a 2nd time after we wiped

on the wipe it was literally me killing the final boss that comes down after you kill the helicopter

in case you didn't know, that boss has no hp but hits HARD af sadly

[chrome flax]

We almomst were double timing it. But after third boss group kept on wiping and getting bombed for some reason

[tribal blade]

so i couldn't solo it

[chrome flax]

That is 2x10 ML failed for the same thing. Boss almost dead and tank just lazy out on helicopter lol

Rest of group should also be aware but do not care lol

easiest and only 1 not timed in 10 lol

[keen dome]

Geez

Cursed key 😦

[jaunty heath]

People that have no depletes in their raiderio biggest redflag btw

Got a tank leaving a 10 DAY 2 of the season because he didn’t want it Show in his Rio

At the first and only wipe

70% in on top

💀

[keen dome]

100%

People who finish keys are the best

[lilac stag]

do people actually check non-timed in rio? wtf has time for that lol

[hollow spear]

I think that's my problem during raiding, I am just not locked in

[tribal blade]

leaving a 10 on the 2nd day of the season is insane

[short radish]

Depends on what they deplete

Some people just have spam depletes

[hollow spear]

That's the same people that run it down in MOBA when they're tilted

[lilac stag]

id be more sus of someone with no depletes

[solar geode]

if you leave keys you are a deeply evil person

[tribal blade]

having a lot of depletes becomes super normal the higher in key level you go

[solar geode]

yesterday something so strange to me happened

[short radish]

Yeah expecting all 10s to be timed this early

Is wack

[solar geode]

i made a group for my +8 floodgate

we started pulling and suddenly people just start chain dying

[short radish]

I'm more talking about a guy who's highest key is an 7 and has a bunch of depleted on 5s and 6s

[solar geode]

like the healer dies and then everyone just dies resulting in like 14 times after that

then tank and healer just leave without a word

like ???

[short radish]

That being said don't look at my rio depleting a 2 and 3 cinderbrew

[jaunty heath]

It’s insanely cringe because tanks don’t sit in lfg as long so he’ll just go to another 10 to keep his Rio clean which is just bruh

[short radish]

Oh yeah leaving is 100% cringe

[jaunty heath]

Me as a dps only class I took 30 mins to form that group

[short radish]

Unless it's a high key

[jaunty heath]

Just to have him go

[short radish]

Like just do it for vault

[tribal blade]

it depends, i'll leave a key if it's evident it's gonna be an insanely long slog

[lilac stag]

tank privilege

[jaunty heath]

Yeah sure high keys the only point is is score so ofc leave

[solar geode]

i miss being a tank ☹️

[jaunty heath]

That i‘d also understand

But like first wipe after being done with 70% of ToP

Cringe

[tribal blade]

i once was doing a title range level halls of valor and we bricked before last boss

the key holder wanted to finish the key and everyone agreed so he could reroll it that way

we wiped i dunno, must have been 5-6 times on the last boss or something

and he got super angry and was saying how shit we all were, and i was like "bruh we've been in here so long i'm tired and can't concentrate anymore"

[short radish]

Bro that's not even a bricked key.

We wiped twice on first boss (I died because I was a 636 paladin in last season gear tanking) on a +10 and we still timed it

[tribal blade]

and then i eventually left because fuck that guy

[short radish]

Yeah if someone starts getting toxic

Its kinda jover

[lilac stag]

confirmed key leaver

[keen dome]

ye, the only time I leave a key first is if someone is really hostile in it

I'm just like "nah man"

[tribal blade]

yeah same

although i'll only leave if the key holder is being hostile

not if someone else is

[short radish]

Tbh i only do that if its the keyholder

[jaunty heath]

I was in a 6 farming neck yday ended up being a group of RP mains and for some reason they found out mid run there’s an achievement that they could do here and shit

[short radish]

You don't want to fuck over the keyholder

[keen dome]

that's a fair point, yeah.

[jaunty heath]

Was it annoying for me? Yes

Am I gonna leave these guys key?

Hell no

[tribal blade]

yeah you need to have respect for people's keys, it's not easy to farm key levels back up

[short radish]

Ye who cares its the start of the season, just have some fun

[keen dome]

lmao, doing an achievement mid key?!

[short radish]

We do that for mechagon 1st boss every time

Get the arena master in

[keen dome]

lmao, actually

same

[jaunty heath]

You could tell they aren’t doing this type of content normally

[keen dome]

haha, yeah

[short radish]

(I do it by accident because I dunno how to tank)

[keen dome]

Hey it's another cleave target

my damage goes up up up

[short radish]

Funnel*

[jaunty heath]

Which is especially why I didn’t leave they probably are experiencing this not so often and a 6 might be something precious to them

[short radish]

[short radish]

Those are the best keys honestly

[keen dome]

Which dungeon was it?

[short radish]

Where it reminds you how to have fun again

[jaunty heath]

Fuck that I’m not ruining someone’s experience just because they play the game differently than me

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[jaunty heath]

Darkflame cleft

[keen dome]

Haha, figures

At least 6's are completely free atm

Free hero for not me

[jaunty heath]

Well it’s not like we timed that key I can tell you that much

[harsh socket]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[jaunty heath]

But in the end I’m sure they had fun

[tribal blade]

what is "fun"

[jaunty heath]

Loads of talking they did

[tribal blade]

and how do i get it

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, and fun's what matters

Although my kind of fun is raid leading a heroic pug which is probably torture to most people

[short radish]

Rare drop, 0.1% chance to find it

[tribal blade]

ok that's why i don't have fun

[jaunty heath]

I do like doing that as long as it’s not perma leavers

[keen dome]

Ye

It's why I never really bothered to lead ansurek heroic pugs

[jaunty heath]

I just don’t like spending the time waiting for new people after each pull

[keen dome]

people jus tleave non-stop

[jaunty heath]

With a semi decent group that’s also just staying it’s actually fun

[tribal blade]

i wish you were on NA

i could get you into my guild's make a wishes

[jaunty heath]

Bro your guild is doing make a wishes?

That’s kinda cool

[tribal blade]

haha yeah we do it every tier

my RL is obsessed with it

that guy is crazy

[jaunty heath]

I dig it

[void hound]

our guild sponsors a free AOTC to a random guild from our realm every tier

[tribal blade]

we just join pug groups and carry them to aotc

[void hound]

although its surprisingly hard to find a taker

[tribal blade]

queen was very hard though because 99% of it was on the tanks

[keen dome]

Those'd be hella fun to help do, honestly

[tribal blade]

they are!

[lilac stag]

so... this spreads the dot to all targets via nibmle

[tribal blade]

you blow people's minds when you have 3-4 mythic raiders doing 50% of the entire group's dps

[keen dome]

We did 8/8N in just over an hour yesterday and then 3/8H in about 2 hours. Stix/Locken suck atm in heroic pugs, and I didn't have a good tactic for locken yet

Which I now do (it's called you have 3 people do mines and that's it. Paladin / DH / Hunter)

[tribal blade]

oh shit nice

[lilac stag]

testing it in delves

[keen dome]

Also man the healing on bandit is wild

[tribal blade]

wait that makes it pretty good then

in aoe

[lilac stag]

i thought maybe storm or rupture. nope. it's just nimble

not sure about the on use

[upper narwhal]

Bandit is tuned so much higher than the bosses before, it’s crazy

[keen dome]

Yeah

I'm doing some reps on him in a decent pug and it's extremely painful

[tribal blade]

they have a thing this tier about bosses with hard enrages

and tight dps/healing checks

[random comet]

found bandit harder than (nerfed) mugzee tonight

[keen dome]

First 5 are veyr doable on heroic. Bandit is fucking brutal and I imagine he's gonna get a nerf soon.

In pugs, for context.

[upper narwhal]

First 5 are just mechanics checks, Bandit needs good dps and great healers to survive

[keen dome]

Yeah

[upper narwhal]

The mechanics on Bandit are far more simple than 4 and 5

[lilac stag]

bandit will be fine, just need the renown buffs to start

[keen dome]

Yeah but getting pugs to swap to the right target

[upper narwhal]

Was using Northern Sky WA for bandit ads but getting pugs to use it properly was torture, gave up eventually

[hazy breach]

Do the on-use consume all stacks on all targets

Or just the main target

[tribal blade]

the WA assignment is kinda fucked, everyone on my raid team gets told to kill different adds

[true fable]

quite the item to get from tiemwalking

[lilac stag]

im gonna have to go in a 11 i think. they are dead too quick in 8

[tribal blade]

we had an eye of kazan drop today, i rolled a 96

then another guy rolled a 96

[lilac stag]

its stacks fast so i'll try

[tribal blade]

then another rolled 99

fml

[keen dome]

Yeah. I'm never a fan of using WA's in pugs because it's just.. lmao

[tribal blade]

i have the lowest loot score on my raid team right now lol

[keen dome]

It's a good idea, but I have PTSD from trying to get people to do it in DF S3 on the second Amirdrasil boss

[upper narwhal]

Rolled 100 on it on the first kill, been loving my eye

[upper narwhal]

We decided that some people would use it and ping the ad but even then people were clueless

[keen dome]

yeah..

I think when I lead him i'll just skull mark the adds

and have people kill them

[upper narwhal]

Praying my guild can down OAB this week so I can avoid pugs

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach just the target, the dot stays up on everything else.

[upper narwhal]

KSH was easier than 6/8 HC

[hazy breach]

Is there a dot

[untold reef]

Hello. I have the following problem: I know, that if you have Symbols of Death up and running, Shadowcraft can trigger to replenish your combo points to full if you have enough stored after a finisher. Most of the times this happens instantly. I also have a WA where I can see how many combo points are stored and can expect when it's going to replenish to full. This replenish thing is also instantenous. But in very seldom cases, it's delayed and it never looks like I don't have enough combo points stored to replenish them to full, but then suddenly they are. My question is: How much time does Shadoecraft have to replenish to full (e.g. 1 second after using a finisher)? Is this replenish random? It's just very frustrating if it doesn't seem like it'll get replenished and suddenly it is and you just Shadowstrike with full combo points and waste a global. I hope somebody can explain to me what is happening

[lilac stag]

the toxins. trying to see if its actually ticking for anything,

[hazy breach]

Its always instant, the only exception is coup, which does damage 0s after casting, 0.4s after casting and 1s after casting

And for some reason the refund can happen on any of coups damage instances

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, hoping they do. Also a big issue in pugs is a random dude picking a coin up

and just not dunking it

[untold reef]

That explains a lot actually. Next time, I will keep this in mind when coup is up. Thank you!

[leaden prairie]

Wait

1 sec after

So you have 0.2s

To react

Ok buddy

[sly shore]

0s

[leaden prairie]

I just need to get better

[sly shore]

gcd is 1s

[leaden prairie]

1.2s gcd on coup

[hazy breach]

No

1s

[leaden prairie]

What

Since when

[jaunty heath]

1.2 was a thing a long time ago

Been a while

[tribal blade]

you can't see the future?

[leaden prairie]

I thought it stayed a longer GCD

[hazy breach]

Well for outlaw it is

[vale pine]

na

[hazy breach]

Since their GCD is 0.8

[leaden prairie]

Nah it's not

I won't go further

Classified information

[vale pine]

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach it's debuffing (was showing as a dot with my nameplates) everything via nimble. it just slams the dot into primary

[swift tinsel]

Wait are the stacks doing damage outside of the on-use now?

They were just cosmetic otherwise

[lilac stag]

no, they were showing up as a dmg via nameplate. its a debuff/cosmetic

but that spreads via nimble if you want to quick swap

[swift tinsel]

Ah, that’s nice at least

Does it still stack crazy fast

[lilac stag]

pretty quick

anamorphic still sims like shit if you have a decent trinket. idk what people had yesterday when they were getting excited

[zenith prism]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

I have one and it’s kinda garbage against my azerokk and hero transmitter

[wraith vigil]

How important is it holding CB for 2nd Secret Tech? i know it makes a difference but is it big or is it fine to macro CB into secret tech and just use on CD

[vale pine]

around 1% dps diffrence

less if you don't have the new 4p

[wraith vigil]

I do have the 4p, just feel like there are so many buttons to press so wouldn't really mind not having to press CB aha

[hazy breach]

You can have it macroed, as long as you have another bind without a macro

[wraith vigil]

For what reason?

[hazy breach]

If you just want to press one button

Instead of multiple

Idk

[wraith vigil]

Just feel like macroing CB into secret tech will make my brain chill a bit more

but i would probably have to learn to play without the macro along the road

[lilac stag]

if you brain hurts less, showtool tip for CB on your CB/SecTech macro, so they both go off. then just have sectech as normal

[small spruce]

What is the go to tip you’d give to someone for M+ that isn’t the most obvious tips?😅

[lilac stag]

use your CDs

[small spruce]

I’d like to refer you to the end of my question

[rapid kite]

Hey guys, I see lots of rogue open raid fights with SS -> Flag -> Rupture -> CDS.
I'm unsure because on the guide it says to open with SS -> Evisc -> Vanish/SS -> Flag -> Rupture -> CDS ?

[lilac stag]

its not obvious. people hold too much for perfect setup

but go on

[dire trout]

I see wowanalyzer isnt updated for sub spec, is there a similar way people compare their performance? My parses are low so just looking for tips and improvments

[rapid kite]

I made two different keybinds for either Tech with CB and another for a natty Tech. It was easier for me to remember to press the natty button during first CD's dance and then the rest of the time normal CB tech keybind

[lilac stag]

there's no dps difference. the top is considered correct since its easier to do and will eventually be in APL once Koji merges it

[lilac stag]

sub doesn't support wowanalyzer. use !log in here if you want log help

[rapid kite]

Yeah I guess if the boss has some amp to lineup with or some stuff happening during 2nd cds, saving those few gcd's can go a low way in the opener

[dire trout]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VYRTwNFb3atzAvK4?fight=last
Only rogue in the raid, Akatsukiy. Would love some tips

[lilac stag]

do the command seperate

[wraith vigil]

That's actually smart, thanks! ill do that

[rapid kite]

My pleasure 😉

[keen dome]

Do you have Flag + Blades macro'd together?

[chrome flax]

Yeah, no reason to not bind them together

[dire trout]

100%

[keen dome]

Well, don't do that.

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[dire trout]

Okay screenshotting, ty

[chrome flax]

Yeah, I do not bind Dance + sumbol or CB and ST

[silent umbra]

you dont want ur first global in dance to be a combo generator with shadow blades up

cuz wasting premed

[keen dome]

I recommend having a look at the !guides opener section 'cos the opener is a little tricky. And it'll make it a bit cleaner.

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[dire trout]

okay

[keen dome]

You might want to also look into geting a better trinket 'cos Signet is 2 minutes, and won't align with our cooldowns very well

[wraith vigil]

!log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2N7jQc6YLmXf1BZT?fight=2&type=casts&source=122&view=timeline
Giga new to sub rogue, just some rough tips to begin with would be nice! Anything appreciated

[chrome flax]

Lol

[dire trout]

Okay

[chrome flax]

@keen dome easy to say. But the trinket still very good until you are lucky to have house of card

[keen dome]

Ye but the PvP trinket exists

[dire trout]

It was the higher ilvl trinket i have, so ysing it for now

[keen dome]

Ye, I get'cha.

[lilac stag]

if you dont have transmitter, no excuse to not get pvp trinket. you can pve your way to it

[dire trout]

that was also an issue i was having

I was either stuck holding CDs for it

for 30 sec

[chrome flax]

Ok thanks, didnt know there was a pvp trinket worth it

[dire trout]

or use it 30 sec after cds

[lilac stag]

2mins get used on 3 mins

they suck

[dire trout]

yeah

[limber relic]

^ Dont hold your CD's for a trinket

[dire trout]

Okay good to know

[lilac stag]

so go farm the conquest for the badge

[dire trout]

The badge is 90 sec cd?

[keen dome]

Yeah! It's only 700 Conq

[lilac stag]

60

[dire trout]

Ohhhh wicked

[lilac stag]

we uyse as 90

[dire trout]

i’ll do that tonight

okay

[keen dome]

You can just macro it to blades and blast.

[dire trout]

Okay, so i will adjust my blades macro, take off flag

and add the badge

[keen dome]

But I highly recommend having a look at the guide on the opener and practicing. Getting the proper timings for flag -> blades is a biggie

[dire trout]

Okay!

[chrome flax]

I dont have transmitter. What should I go for?

If I dont have access to House of card and eye of kazan

Signet + pvp

[keen dome]

I'd say get the pvp trinket until cards

You want a passive as your second trinket I believe but don't quote me on this. I just prefer 1 active + 1 passive

[round latch]

big trinket 🤘

[misty torrent]

Hey. During Dance when do we backstab once to gain a DM stack? Basically, during the dance sequence raidbots says just strike, than sec tech especially during the 1.5 mins burst window (to get back sec tech in time for the second CB + sec tech pump). TBH didn't check in normal symbols + dance window, during that it might to build higher sec tech. But still, the question is the same, when do we backstab during dance?

[chrome flax]

I also prefer 1 passive and 1 active for raid boss

in m+ I like to have something that do damage inbetween CD's

Like the carkey of the first boss of the raid

[lilac stag]

wrong spec

afk and do healer dps between cds

[chrome flax]

lol

true

[keen dome]

I was using PvP trinket + motherlode for a while

but then I was blessed and got HoC + energy drink so I'm gravy now

[rapid kite]

!log

brother how does this !log thing work xd

[lilac stag]

it works. not everyone can drop instantly and look at your logs

[keen dome]

I just do it as my first global before I push SoD. Dance -> Backstab -> SoD -> rest.

[rapid kite]

Okay so rn you see my logs link just above ?

[keen dome]

I actually can't see the log in your link, JayC. It doesn't go anywhere

[rapid kite]

hmm

[void ocean]

is it a private log

[rapid kite]

Oh that would make sense

yeah it is

Lemme see if I have a public one

[chrome flax]

Dont do backstab in Shadow dance ever

[void ocean]

u can make that log public

[chrome flax]

the extra stack of Macrabre is not worth the damage

[void ocean]

u dont need a new one

[slate lantern]

we do now

first gcd after SD

[keen dome]

bad news: It's BACK

[chrome flax]

omg

I just removed it

and now its back

[rapid kite]

It's my guild's log and they keep it private allg i'll find a public one

[slate lantern]

lol

[keen dome]

Although it is a very minor? optimisation. I think?

[rapid kite]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vhAZynHN9TPGk2Kd?fight=47&type=damage-done&source=18

[keen dome]

I forget to do it half the time

[chrome flax]

Q_Q

It was bind with my shadow dance before

[rapid kite]

What about now

[keen dome]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[keen dome]

I've been using this.

[void ocean]

it turns us into ww

[lilac stag]

what rank is your guild that they private everything?

[chrome flax]

why would you do a macro like this

just bind both

SD has no GCD

[lilac stag]

people love thir macros

[void ocean]

bruh from Liquid

[keen dome]

comfy

[chrome flax]

yeah but you have to press twice

[rapid kite]

my guild is Grimoire from Zul'jin NA

[chrome flax]

you could just macro it into a double cast

[rapid kite]

Were def not liquid xd

[chrome flax]

/cast Shadow dance
/cast Backstab

much simplier lol

[keen dome]

You could but having control is nice.

[rapid kite]

Were more competing with other's from our province, Quebec in Canada

[lilac stag]

Going Protected Mode (Dark) sponsored by NordVPN -Echo

[chrome flax]

Actually no, double press macro sometime work bad

[rapid kite]

We r1 against other french canadians

idk why we keep our logs private honestly

[short radish]

Private logging = cringe

[rapid kite]

got HOF in nerubar during last week

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[rapid kite]

yeah i'm new to raiding I don't understand all of that stuff

[chrome flax]

Im also quebecois lol

[lilac stag]

likely dont want people recruited, just dont be toxic and people stay

[rapid kite]

which guild r u in ?

i heard of a few others

[chrome flax]

Not a very good guild lol

I raid just for fun

[rapid kite]

and btw did my logs link work ?

ah icic

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ferda-letter-kenny-hockey-gif-15357640

[keen dome]

It's still showing as unavailable to me.

[swift tinsel]

Time to speedrun 700 conquest

After I make coffee

[keen dome]

🫡

[chrome flax]

I use geargrinder's spare Keys in Mythic +

[swift tinsel]

Think the last time I did any actual pvp was cata arena lol

[chrome flax]

It just perfect for any pack you have low cd's

[slate lantern]

use the pvp group finder to get a group going, took me about 1.5hr total

[rapid kite]

ah damn even if they show on my profile they'Re still marked as private

unforch

[slate lantern]

(part of that was unoptimal)

[lilac stag]

upload your own logs

[short radish]

This is another reason why private logging is cringe

[wraith vigil]

how?

[lilac stag]

fly around AFK getting warchests

[keen dome]

Warmode has these boxes fall from the sky every hour in a zone. Just idle, collect them.