subtlety

[rain stratus]

Man I should really get it, just kinda hate Arenas especially XD

[hollow spear]

I like it

[keen dome]

It's only 700 conquest. Easy to grind via open world stuff, random bg's, etc

[hollow spear]

I think I hate arena less than people hate playing with my sorry ass

[keen dome]

I'm a terror in arena, too.

[jaunty heath]

Isnt it only from rated

[lilac stag]

was easier last week

[keen dome]

A terror to my own team!

[keen dome]

no

[ornate lake]

So I use this macro for opener after flag finisher

/Use 13
/Cast Shadow Dance
/Cast Symbols of Death
/Cast Shadow Blades
/Cast Backstab

Is there a way so I don't up gobbling symbol charges if I end pressing it two times?

[keen dome]

Conquest comes from all PvP content now.

[swift tinsel]

not using that

[lilac stag]

you can legit farm warchest and get it afk

[hollow spear]

the trick is to not use the macro

[keen dome]

Yep

[jaunty heath]

Wtf is a warchest, give me the juice guys

[keen dome]

It is exceptionally chill to get. I just capped my conquest for the week via doing 2 BG's, the spark quest, and some open world stuff

[jaunty heath]

Nerding after raid tonight

My transmitter needs to go

[keen dome]

Every 30? 45? minutes in warmode a chest flies over and lands in a zone if you are in warmode

It has conquest, etc in it

[lilac stag]

pve peoples youre welcome https://wago.io/llxvMrert/

[swift tinsel]

thanks dad

[lilac stag]

just dont afk in Dorn

[jaunty heath]

I was okay with using it until it went through a wall again yday for the first time in a long time

Now I’m mad

[ornate lake]

I'm an assa immigrant

My brain will haemorrhage if I don't use that macro

[jaunty heath]

Tyvm

[lilac stag]

go back to assa then. bis raid spec week 1

[keen dome]

You get 110 conquest form winning the hotmogu brawl this week too, then can easily get 300~ from winning a skirmish, bg, and epic bg

[twilit phoenix]

what's the weekly cap for conq?

[keen dome]

then the rest will be from warmode.

[hollow spear]

trust me, your brain will haemorrhage harder later when you have to unlearn using the macro

[keen dome]

It goes up each week, it's 2.2k atm

[twilit phoenix]

based

i want that neck

[keen dome]

Ye, I'm simming neck and cloak atm

[twilit phoenix]

hero trashmaster still better atm

[hollow spear]

don't you have to grind some stuff for the sockets tho?

[twilit phoenix]

oh shit I forgot about sockets

[hollow spear]

can't use the regular socket thingy for pvp stuff

[keen dome]

Correct

[lilac stag]

only if you pick it up exactly with every sectech

[keen dome]

But it's just honour

[twilit phoenix]

i meant the trashmaster cloak lol

[hollow spear]

I think he's talking about the back

[lilac stag]

oh shit

[keen dome]

5000 + 3 bloodstones (2.5k or AH) for a pvp socket

[lilac stag]

transmitter on the 🧠

[hollow spear]

don't tell me there's some new minigame

😄

[jaunty heath]

Dw I thought the same thing

[fickle mason]

Is sub likely gonna hold up well damage wise through the tier? Or will other classes/assasin scale faster and outpace? For m+ / raid. The simcraft makes me feel bad.

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW2_Raid.html

[jaunty heath]

Transmitter = trashmitter = trashmaster

[lilac stag]

it's good for prog, that's what matters

[twilit phoenix]

so 10k honor for 2 sockets? how long does honor take to get?

[hollow spear]

I think any rogues who are specced to sub will get permanently deleted actually

[fickle mason]

Also prot warrior 2.2m?

[keen dome]

Very quickly. Honour has a 15k cap, so you get it quickly. Vicious bloodstones are 2.5k honour or just buy from the AH for like 3k gold

[fallen fable]

i puted on same bar but the pb is when i press dance it switch insta to shadostrike

so do we have an macro to backstab x1 when dance is active

[lilac stag]

zero defensive, pure dps setup

[fallen fable]

with the same keyboard press

[lilac stag]

[twilit phoenix]

ty bro

[hollow spear]

good for normal parses I guess

[keen dome]

I touch all WoW systems 'cos you never know where something will come from

Someday the BiS item will come from pet battles.

And on that day: I will be king

[clever delta]

so ready @vale pine

[lilac stag]

that went public eh? hahah

someone got a potty mouth

[keen dome]

I thought they fixed it

[lilac stag]

it was on ptr, havent tried it live

[bronze turret]

What did they fuck up with detection this time?

[keen dome]

Tier stacks iirc

But I recall Fuu saying they fixed it?

[lilac stag]

it's an ability, so you can tier stack

[bronze turret]

Nice

[lilac stag]

let me try in a moment

[bronze turret]

Its like the unholy rune set in sylvanas raid

[keen dome]

lmao they did not fix it

[clever delta]

its not off gcd riught

that would be nuts

[bronze turret]

Nah

But free spell

Its good during movement or transitions

Or during downtime

[shadow lance]

Put the macro in your stealth bar, it should works

Or change bonusbar:1 by stance:1

Not home, can't check rn

[lilac stag]

swirly ball is fixed

[clever delta]

right next to sectech

[hollow spear]

you guys are all degenerates xD

[clever delta]

what can you

[keen dome]

"Why is the rogue spamming a non-combat ability in a corner?"

"I'M MIN/MAXIN' OVER HERE"

[clever delta]

one day you start pressing backstab in dance and second you spam decetion

[lilac stag]

I wonder if picklock works

[clever delta]

omg this will boost our apm so much

[paper helm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

You're going to make them believe tier is still too good

And nerf tier instead of fixing detection

[lilac stag]

rogues doing rogue things

[young mural]

YES THERE IS A WAU

WAY

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/اخضع-gif-14425517480247166417

[young mural]

people hating on your macro, fuck them tbh

if dont want to play perfectly optimally people with judge you in this channel

its crazy

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[leaden prairie]

!fuu

[clever delta]

need WA for when under 20 energy to pres detection

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[young mural]

just do that insead of /cast Symbols of Death @ornate lake

[lilac stag]

it's time

[hollow spear]

I can totally see the detection thing leading to us pressing rupture

I hate it

[keen dome]

haha

[ornate lake]

Macro to yell at the tank when out of dance/symbols to stop pulling

[keen dome]

no way

does feint do it

[lilac stag]

no i procced one stack to test detection

[keen dome]

oh

😠

[ornate lake]

What does cqs do?

[lilac stag]

gives social security number to elon

i mean clear qued spell

[limber relic]

Jokes on you he got it already!

[lilac stag]

i wonder if gnomesequencer is still a thing, you all could have fun playing sub as BM with that

[twilit phoenix]

do you guys use a /cancelaura Dance macro for stealth?

[keen dome]

Not me.

I very rarely get annoyed by it, and it never really bothers me enough to set one up

[lilac stag]

my hope is he lost it during a ketamine binge

[young mural]

I'VE TRIED TO ALRIGHT

[clever delta]

man im still thinking if i play dance bs macro or go natty

[young mural]

literally unplayable and works like shit

[clever delta]

becasue it hurt my brain

[lilac stag]

i went natty

[young mural]

i just went bs macro, im spamming my sod because its where my shadowstrike used to be

[lilac stag]

you could always do a seperate dance/stab macro (no extra press)

[young mural]

at least only 1 charge gets fucked

[lilac stag]

that works unline strike

[clever delta]

it just my muscle memory

send always strike

wonder if its still worth as second builder during blades

[lilac stag]

my brain wants to clear out cps before dance

with an eviscerate

sees tier at 8 FML

[clever delta]

dont do it mate

😄

[quick latch]

anyone who can analyze logs , can you tell me what im doing wrong , i only get blue logs and green/grey on bracker 😦

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hmW92DPcT4JGdMvQ?playermetric=dps&fight=last&type=damage-done&source=489

[lilac stag]

use !log

please

and thankyou

[young mural]

sacth fuc kyou

[warped ferry]

Holy shit get fucked.

[pure dust]

Did the hot fixes and sub changes from yesterday have any impact on our gameplay?

[vale pine]

haha, have fun

[keen dome]

Sub changes?

[lilac stag]

there were no changes

[pure dust]

Oh wth did I read, one sec

[lilac stag]

unless you mean the beta TWW changes that got posted

[limber relic]

There were pvp changes i think

I read them too before realizing

[autumn glade]

There were PvP changes, you prob tuned out the pvp text

[pure dust]

Oh lol

I totally tuned it out

My bad

[young mural]

no worries dude

[pure dust]

PvP doesn't register in my brain lol

[young mural]

id just recommend you never play outlaw ever

[warped ferry]

For one thing I can tell obv you’re not paying attention to your cds.

As a rule of thumb you typically want to get two dances within your cds, that requires some management after.

[slate beacon]

why does blizz make it so u need a phd in DPS to do sub rogue opener, it's horse shit honestly

[tepid trellis]

[slate beacon]

meanwhile ret pala doing 3 button opener at 15 yards and doing 95% dps

[twilit phoenix]

you don't need a phd bro

[swift tinsel]

our opener is actually pretty simple

[keen dome]

It's just about learnign the rules.

Then it's push buttons

[warped ferry]

On your second use of your cds you only got one dance and symbols in.

[slate beacon]

dont say that to me, i fumble the bag so hard

[young mural]

send logs then if yall so fucking big @keen dome @swift tinsel @twilit phoenix

you fuck assess

[warped ferry]

That’s a lot of lost dmg esp if you have the tier piece.

[pure dust]

I find the opener and CDs simple, it's in the in between I struggle with

[keen dome]

????

[tepid trellis]

our opener is actually just 3 buttons

rest is just regular dance rotations

[warped ferry]

The general cadence between cds is 3-4 dances and handful of natty symbols and techs.

[young mural]

how are you so confused? are you old?

[twilit phoenix]

[young mural]

saying something is easy while logging 73s is insane

[slate beacon]

im gonna look mine up and vomit in my mouth, this is my first time maining rogue

[warped ferry]

I try to make sure I have at most 40 seconds in my blades before I use a dance.

[tepid trellis]

thats not what that means you tool

[pure dust]

Btw my dps is crazy in raids, but I m struggling with overall in keys. Anyone else find this issue? Are there guides that explain how to make decisions in different pulls in dungeons to maximize overall?

[tepid trellis]

thats an all star ranking

[keen dome]

Sub just takes practice.

[warped ferry]

Idk tho, I just picked up this spec.

[young mural]

relax are you pissed?

[tepid trellis]

not parse percentile

[keen dome]

Blasting

[slate beacon]

"u dont need a phd for sub rogue"

[warped ferry]

So if I’m wrong someone please correct me.

[twilit phoenix]

post logs dragon

you shitter

[hazy breach]

Gotta make sure you always get the 2x dances in blades

[young mural]

my bad im not a freak thats addicted to logging

[hazy breach]

But ye its a lot of decisionmaking playing sub in keys

[tepid trellis]

then why call people out about logs?

[swift tinsel]

you litererally asked for logs but don't know how to read them

[young mural]

to aggravate people like you

[tepid trellis]

just shush then

[pure dust]

Yes I have been doing that. I just find it hard to know when I should go into burst and when I should conserve in the different pulls . And each tank I'm plugging with is pulling differently

[swift tinsel]

you very clearly sound like the most aggrivated one

[hollow spear]

That guy is just a degenerate rage baiting

[hazy breach]

Generally you just use blades and flag on cd

[young mural]

sure im fucking fuming as I type

[hollow spear]

It helps to ignore him

[hazy breach]

Unless its on a pack thats already at like 30%

[karmic harbor]

how do we know if we use 1 shadow dance or 2 shadow dances between flag/blades burst?

[paper iron]

[twilit phoenix]

wdym?

[hazy breach]

So you might be holding too much

[pure dust]

Oh that makes sense

[tepid trellis]

its unfortunately my job to not ignore it

[warped ferry]

That is not your fault then lol, I’d try to find a tank that plays around your cds,otherwise just use stuff in cd.

[jaunty heath]

That’s not a sub problem, you prob didn’t respect the dmg amp you can legit press shadow dance and symbols on cd and not respect any of the rules and do more on that fight

[hollow spear]

Didn't you already mute him once @tepid trellis ?

[warped ferry]

You’ll find that as the pulls get bigger and chain getting the cdr on dance wont be as bad.

[hollow spear]

or was that someone else

[tepid trellis]

someone else did i think

i was there tho

[warped ferry]

It’s getting symbols back you’ll feel

[karmic harbor]

like in the downtime when shadowblades and flag is down, how will I know if I should use 2 shadow dances or 1 before blades is back up?

[young mural]

subtlety people are annoying as fuck, ill go back to assassination channel where people arent freaks

[hollow spear]

lmao

[tepid trellis]

thanks

[hot plaza]

Hey guys on wowhead it says to backstab to get a stack on danse macabre but soon a I pop SD/symbols I can’t backstab? Why is this please Ty? ♥️👍

[karmic harbor]

[keen dome]

where's the meme

[warped ferry]

Eh, that requires you to keep doing the dungeon, knowing how fast things die before bosses.

[karmic harbor]

i mean on single target

in raid

[jaunty heath]

Yeah gooning sins are not freaks

[hollow spear]

not sure how Whispyr's patience for annoying little shits looks like these days

[jaunty heath]

(I like sin people just not you)

[twilit phoenix]

checks sin channel
people talking about bussy and ass eating

[calm chasm]

!makro

[twilit phoenix]

yeah okay bro

[warped ferry]

Ohhh. I use cooldown of blades to figure that out.

[pure dust]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[tepid raven]

!mute @young mural idk man you clearly have issues lets do a little bit of thinking on how we talk to people during this

[twilit phoenix]

big ronk

[warped ferry]

As well as how many symbols stacks I have.

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-ltg-mods-low-tier-god-mods-balls-gif-6304382572771063267

[warped ferry]

You never want to overcap on symbols or dance.

[hollow spear]

The big guns are in

[tepid trellis]

i was fishing for other eyes to send it as well

[warped ferry]

So I typically just throw a dance out if I have at most 40 seconds on my cds, I know I’ll have the cdr back for a double dance by the time my cds are rolling.

[teal coral]

@jaunty heath nice profile pic

[warped ferry]

Is it at most or at least I might be talking wrong.

[tepid raven]

Scath mentioned it to me

[jaunty heath]

Thanks

[tepid raven]

and then I read him calling people freaks

[warped ferry]

If I have 40 seconds or more.

[twilit phoenix]

pete gave you a good answer below, but typically if flag has like 20ish secs left on its cooldown, I'll want to make sure that my second charge of dance has around 40 secs left

[tepid raven]

idk I mighta been too light kek

[teal coral]

Did you steal it from my desktop

[hollow spear]

Well, he's right about me tho

[jaunty heath]

I don’t even know where I stole it from

[teal coral]

Wild

[jaunty heath]

But stealing is huge

[hollow spear]

I didn't post my blue parses tho

[swift tinsel]

suuuure

[left ledge]

Sup guys

[warped ferry]

If you can’t do that then throwing a natty symbols and sex tech works too, you’ll find that you’ll be doing that quite a bit.

[swift tinsel]

o7

[twilit phoenix]

i can usually fit like 1-2 dances in between cds

[teal coral]

The art from that was a birthday gift someone had commissioned for me of my belf

[twilit phoenix]

but it's really rng sometimes with resets

[warped ferry]

Just make sure with symbols you have at most 2 charges before you do that. Or more than 25 seconds on cds.

[jaunty heath]

Wait I have the tab open

[swift tinsel]

the trick is to get 7 shadowcraft resets in a row

[vestal escarp]

goonblade

[hollow spear]

it's usually flag- 2 dances - flag - 1 dance - flag - 2 dances....

[swift tinsel]

sometimes 8

[jaunty heath]

I’ll change in a sec I didn’t know it was something personal for you

[teal coral]

No no you’re good

[warped ferry]

Yep that’s about the cadence.

[teal coral]

It’s just funny seeing it lmao

[left ledge]

Steal it in true rogue fashion

Yours now

[hollow spear]

take what you can get and give nothing back

[left ledge]

Desktop pickpocket

[twilit phoenix]

me getting topped

[jaunty heath]

It’s literally from googling „wow rogue art@

[warped ferry]

2 during cds and 1-2 outside of cds, with a handful of symbols/techs in between.

[jaunty heath]

Im so unoriginal

Crazy

[teal coral]

That’s crazy

[jaunty heath]

I even took the first result

God I’m lazy

[worn schooner]

its ok I googled skeletons and got this pfp

[vale pine]

i am doing the 5 timewalking dungeons with my gf and chat escalates ^^

[worn schooner]

this was like 4 years ago, and thats just that now

[keen dome]

Honestly top brand and profile image there Mr. Bones.

[twilit phoenix]

playing wow with your sweetie is based

[swift tinsel]

Dang those really are some nice bones

[worn schooner]

hands off im married

[jaunty heath]

Every single time I saw that guy talk he was just ragebaiting and calling people things, was just a matter of time honestly

[keen dome]

Ahaha, your banner is fantastic

10/10 commitment to the bit

[left ledge]

Who

[swift tinsel]

what if I told you I'm a trained osteologist

[left ledge]

Me?

[vale pine]

think we see some fotm rerollers jumping to sub atm

for mythic+

[jaunty heath]

I don’t think you got timed out

[warped ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[left ledge]

I am a ragebaiting fotm reroller

[vale pine]

tho idk, if the m+ staistic has any merrit

[worn schooner]

oh my bad, I just tell everyone that.

Hi Im Mr. bones nice to meet you

[vale pine]

it like "wow a lot of nice bars, all looks fairly similar"

[left ledge]

Where do you think we’ll end up in 2 weeks

I’m betting bottom 3

[keen dome]

Rules

[jaunty heath]

Holy fuck

[keen dome]

Some good as hell art

[karmic harbor]

@twilit phoenix @warped ferry thank you both I've been doing that but my damage is still so bad 😢

[warped ferry]

M+ is such an enigma to me on sub. Having to wait for folks to kill things whilst holding dances for the next pack is mind numbing.

[jaunty heath]

People will go back once real keys are being done

[teal coral]

Oh that’s not a gif

Hold on

[jaunty heath]

The second you pull half the room we aren’t even that great

[vale pine]

who did the artwork?

it is a gif but rly slow

[left ledge]

It is a gif

[twilit phoenix]

hmmm it's hard to give good advice without more info -- if you have logs, then i'm sure people in here would be glad to help

[hollow spear]

about as many fps as MH Wilds on my gf's computer

[karmic harbor]

sure, if anyone wants to tell me why im giga bad at sub i'd appreciate it : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/72424036?difficulty=4

[warped ferry]

Will need to see some logs, although many factors come into play in raid. You can do your rotation perfectly but at the wrong times or on the wrong target etc.

[twilit phoenix]

type !log and post it in there

[karmic harbor]

!log

[pliant topaz]

this could be us but you playin

[teal coral]

Oh nice

[warped ferry]

Like me, I had to learn to hold my second blades in bunkjunker because he flies up in the air like a lil pissant.

[vale pine]

"miraxsand" on reddit

[warped ferry]

Or even right before he makes everybody go ball rolling in case he picks you.

[teal coral]

https://bg.linkedin.com/in/mira-dzhantova-7858b1215

https://www.artstation.com/miradzhantova

[lilac stag]

I call one purple and we get a visit from @teal coral too. Hi!!!

Did you clip the rant on how assa is fine? I wanted to watch it.

[teal coral]

Oh not found

Rough

[teal coral]

I did not

[lilac stag]

Fuck

[teal coral]

Vods should be up on YouTube/twitch

[lilac stag]

Was it yesterday?

[vale pine]

does say "page not found"

[teal coral]

Yeah

[teal coral]

https://mirasand.artstation.com

This one I guess

She changed her page

[warped ferry]

!logs

[teal coral]

To be fair it was 5 years ago

[vale pine]

thanks

[oak grotto]

Did we get a new full spark today

Or just half of a spark

[teal coral]

Half

[oak grotto]

ty

[sonic hamlet]

Sorry it’s probably been asked a million times but I’m sure someone mentioned 2 set 2 set is a dps loss is that true?

[vale pine]

2p2p is not good

we want the 4p

[sonic hamlet]

Oki doki

Ty

[haughty mural]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

There’s apparently an exploit for getting a full one. 2H weapons are showing up for crafts.

[jaunty heath]

the question is what are the actions against it going to be

[bleak night]

yeah i would recommend against doing that one lmao

[fathom gazelle]

do SoD at start of SD or only if u will sec next?

[jaunty heath]

are they gonna roll everyone back?

[bleak night]

although its blizzard so maybe nothing happens

[jaunty heath]

and how would that work

kinda hard for them to do so

[bleak night]

just permaban

[lilac stag]

oh not recommending it. I just did a weapon craft for it

[bleak night]

ez

[lilac stag]

I didn’t ask cause I don’t want to know.

[jaunty heath]

Idk either i also just heard about it

[bleak night]

actually though the hard part is it does seem like something someone could do accidentally

[jaunty heath]

YOOOOOOOOOO that would be banger rwf drama, someone going for it

[lilac stag]

you could faction change and reset 3 delve gilded chest count.

[jaunty heath]

someone tag gingi

[bleak night]

lmao

[lilac stag]

I wonder if it’s faction related.

[bleak night]

its if you combine two halfs into a spark before turning in the spark quest

[quick latch]

do i have to always manage to have 2 stacks of shadowdance when flagelation and shadow blades are rdy?

[bleak night]

so something you coudl easily do on an alt accidentally

or if you just started late

[swift tinsel]

oh like if you get half spark from last week, complete quest, faction change then get 2nd half this week and get another spark

[bleak night]

no faction change involved

afaik

[leaden prairie]

how long does our cds last

[bleak night]

forever

[jaunty heath]

funnily enough i faction changed today

[leaden prairie]

like whats the timer on first sec tech and second

[swift tinsel]

flag 24 blades 16

[leaden prairie]

after pressing flag

24

hm

[warped ferry]

Not necessarily when they are ready, you can have like 30 seconds on a dance charge coming back and by the time you finish the first set dance with blades you get the next one from Cdr.

But if you wanna be safe and hold that works too.

[steel rune]

what poison i run for m+

[lilac stag]

numbing

[swift tinsel]

iirc first sectech is like 3 seconds after flag

[plain jacinth]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quick latch]

ty sir

[distant bison]

dgs like TOP i run first dance but if ur tank chains does it really worth to run first dance in a m+? again if i know tank cant pull like

[steel rune]

on both daggers?

[distant bison]

ToP i run first dance

[swift tinsel]

even if you just get tfd once or twice in a full dungeon its worth over WM

[cobalt monolith]

hi which item i can choose for you pls ?

[quick latch]

any good WAs you have or know that helps to keep track ?

[warped ferry]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[warped ferry]

Take your pick.

I use luxthos.

[vale pine]

kezan is a contested trinket and fairly good in mythic due to the longer fight lengths

[vestal escarp]

OEil

[jaunty heath]

do i just go tfd finality for normal today

its for shit and giggles anyways

[swift tinsel]

kill timers are short which favors tfd

idk about finality, that might just be preference

I think I ran tfd for ours

[lilac stag]

Instant

[vagrant fulcrum]

Do we send 4pc immediately or is it sus like sin?

[alpine wraith]

4p rocks

140k dps

[vagrant fulcrum]

Regardless of ilvl ye?

[alpine wraith]

or more depending on gear

yea i have lfr shoulders even

[limber relic]

Finally got my 4 pc last night...ready to test it out tonight

[vagrant fulcrum]

I’ve been shying away from sub bc I don’t wanna use transmitter on new bosses

I suspect I’ll be forced to play it soon enough regardless

[limber relic]

Just dont have a transmitter and you good

[vagrant fulcrum]

I have a myth transmitter

[alpine wraith]

yea the pvp trinket is quite fine mostly for many

[steel heart]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[alpine wraith]

sadly i have M fully upgraded transmitter

so only hc house of cards lets me escape

[limber relic]

Just vendor it and dont look back

[vagrant fulcrum]

Lmao

I think Blizz clowned pure st tuning enough that I can’t in good conscience do that

[chrome lake]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[kindred vigil]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[limber relic]

Im still new to sub but what does the backstab after SD proc?

[fathom gazelle]

do u SoD start of every SD? or only if u will sec after SoD?

[edgy hedge]

danse macabre

[royal creek]

Is the Mechano-Core Amplifier bait? or is it better than heroic cards(i have mythic trans)

[vagrant fulcrum]

I’d go cards personally, omega contested

[ornate lake]

Amplifier sims better in both dslice and patchwork for me

[limber relic]

Gotcha so it just adds an extra 6% on top of everything

[royal creek]

yeah same here but i wanted others opinions

[fallow nimbus]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[bold rune]

!opener

[patent lichen]

Bunch of nerds trying to min max danse

[unreal smelt]

anyone knows whats the better item to spend the gilded crest idk if use them for both trinkets or fully upgrade a myth legs

[patent lichen]

Bout to drop my sub-optimal guide

[torpid snow]

does tierset affect rotation? or is it a completely passive bonus?

[teal hemlock]

myth legs won't be replaced so that is safe.

[jaunty heath]

what causes the bug where coup just doesnt come

that youre perma stuck on 4 stacks

[cobalt monolith]

yes but in champion its not incredible no ?

[unreal smelt]

ur right i think i will do that

[ionic robin]

Anyone got a minute to look at my logs? Threads already up since yesterday ^^ Wanna make some last minute adjustments before the raid and honestly, I suck at Sub so I need any input I can get 😄

[open vortex]

you get a lag spike right when you try to proc coupe

doesn't fix itself until you die

[left ledge]

Collect or stand in circle

[obtuse phoenix]

jump 3x

[left ledge]

🗣️

[keen dome]

😨

[vestal escarp]

🗣️

📻

[fallow nimbus]

do we use sod before the backstab in dance or after?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter, so just do before

Cus its easier

[random hare]

@tepid trellis

wtf is this bug

pure st dps

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

my hero talents arent working

???????????

[tepid trellis]

[lilac stag]

@vale pine got the pvp trinket added to bloodmallet.

should show up next build.

[lavish rose]

how important is it to use secret tech as second finisher in your symbols burst

[paper iron]

relog noob

it happens

no coup

[lavish rose]

i think ive got my sub rotations pretty down but never really get why the guides say that

[paper iron]

u use it as first tho

[lavish rose]

ive been using it as first

but ive seen the guides say use it as second

[hollow spear]

they dont

they say use cb on your 2nd sectec during flag burst

[lavish rose]

yea i do that

[paper iron]

df S4 guides might say to use sectech as 2nd finisher

[patent lichen]

If no one answers you in a while hit me up

[lavish rose]

i swear the method guide said that but its also not the best one lol

[paper iron]

but unless i ve missed something

nowadays u use it as a first finisher always

[hollow spear]

Stealthi slander in here

dang

[lavish rose]

oh ok sounds good

[tranquil garden]

Please sshot where the guides say this

[paper iron]

unless it s out of big cds and you have coup ready

[lavish rose]

i thinkt he method does 1 sec

[paper iron]

stealthi rigging method guide i see i see

the real racoon

[lavish rose]

yea i guess i forgot some of the details of this lol

doesnt seem that important

[warm marlin]

“You don’t even do anymore in big cds”

[ornate lake]

That coup de Grace sound just hits different

[tepid trellis]

what am i getting flamed for now

[vale pine]

ye, you would usually want it on heroic+

[wild hornet]

something makes me want to reroll

[void hound]

my coup just bugged out

wtf

[noble hollow]

is this trinket good for raid/m+ ? and if so any idea when to pop it ?

[hazy breach]

Whenever

As long as it doesnt interefere with your stat on-use for cds

[lavish rose]

@tepid trellis i read your guide wrong big man, my bad

[rocky wolf]

when i was using the mandate i would just do it after all my CDs are done

[noble hollow]

alright cheers!

[dry plank]

im the only one who's consistently getting coup bug?

now it happened on 1st boss in heroic from start of fight

[agile laurel]

do i always blow my cds but hold symbols unless i have a sd ready?

same with flag secret technique hold until sd?

[hoary lotus]

Have fun being moved without your consent

[noble hollow]

haha yeah I had it in my cds macro:ed, had to save a shadowstep to get back everytime then

[low pagoda]

!log

[misty condor]

They are laughing at us

[terse dirge]

Your not the only one trust

Stay strong brother

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

it is quite good

[swift tinsel]

need to find this transmog

[paper iron]

me likey that

[rocky wolf]

ive been cranking in raid but i fear that when everyone else gets tier and trinkets ima be middle of the pack

[swift tinsel]

the boots really complete the look

[rocky wolf]

mythic transmitter pretty strong

[keen dome]

It's missing a random transmitter orb floating off somewhere

[rocky wolf]

on gallywix you gotta be careful cuz it just floats over the middle hole

[keen dome]

It's just putting itself where it belongs.

in the bin

[thorny rivet]

How many dps is a millimeter

[paper iron]

the size of the dps doesnt matter

it s how u use it

🥺

[shy orbit]

!sh

!CH

!SH

[keen dome]

What are you looking for?

[thorny rivet]

Ich bin rog

[void hound]

happened to me 😭

[hexed dagger]

cant get belt or hands drop for the life of me

[boreal jewel]

Holy drops

None for me

[median nacelle]

rip

better luck next time

[robust dust]

why are people using shadow blades AFTER first sec tec?

[pastel rampart]

it doesnt buff the first hit but it buffs the clones so if u use it right after sectech u get da juice for longer

[sterile nacelle]

I got the mega magnet trinket in our hc clear, any special interaction or just send at full stacks?

[frozen shore]

House of cards or Transmitter on pull?

[random hare]

@leaden prairie @tepid trellis got house of squares

wheres urs

noob

s

[tepid trellis]

my guild isnt troll

so we give it to people that actually gets dmg from it

so even tho i really wanna get out of Transmitter jail

it just doesent make sense to give it to me

[leaden prairie]

wdym

i have it aswell

[dry plank]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[hollow spear]

aren't you doing 27 bandit splits?

[tepid trellis]

my guild doesent do splits

so no

[random hare]

wdym i have it aswell

[solemn creek]

Same here. I really dont expect a trinket anytime soon

[warm depot]

i love being in transmitter hell

ive resigned myself to the fact that i wont have house of squares til dinars

[rotund rock]

is it worth shuriken storming once in dance in less than 7 mobs to apply find weakness or nah

[twilit phoenix]

Nah

Only 7+

[half osprey]

Is there a WA for Winning Streak set?

[lilac stag]

If you’re motivated to get out of transmitter jail, fix the APL to not pick up perfectly with Sectech every time.

[warm depot]

LOL

holy based

[lilac stag]

It’s not wrong. No one has 100% perfect timing with it.

[placid elk]

is it just me or the 2nd sec tech with cold blood is really tight?

feel like i almost mist shadow blades by 1s

[tepid trellis]

then u fucked up

dance is 8sec

blades is 15

and you dont blades immediately in the first dance

[random hare]

ah u have 639 transmitter

i had 626

so ye

[placid elk]

ok i was blades strong first global monkey opener

[calm rose]

anyone had their coup bug out today?

[zenith egret]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice saffron]

I usually blades right after my first sectec is that fine

[calm rose]

just happened at sprocketmonger, constantly ready at 4stacks for the entire fight

cant proc it

[hazy breach]

If you get a big lagspike in the middle of coup you have to relogg yes

[lavish girder]

Yes mav I've had that with lag

I think it's latency related

[calm rose]

sick

[lavish girder]

Switching talents worked for me but

[pine stratus]

man im considering swapping to sub from assassin, feels like it's ramping to be stronger this patch, (until next buff/nerf)

/gamble

[warm depot]

never give into the fomo!!!!

[keen dome]

Play the one you want to play, not the one you feel you have to play, imo.

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[pine stratus]

i mean im barely 640 and played sin all last season

[swift tinsel]

I've hit the point where my gear is so shit 2pc2pc is 2%+ better

[tepid trellis]

yep

[pine stratus]

havent played sub in a while, and... now that both are mastery, it feels like I could swap between them

altho id be high in crit, and like no vers xD

[brisk raptor]

Is it best to macro mag’har racial with shadowblades?

[swift tinsel]

Yeah

[slate lantern]

better to switch to goblin for that sweet sweet stealth animation and 1% haste

[swift tinsel]

yeah but then you gotta spend a bunch of gold on glamours so you don't look like a goblin

[prime ice]

With the new tier set, is there any rules to follow? I know at one point we weren’t going to press finishers before dancing in order to keep stacks. Is any of that still relevant?

[brisk raptor]

Do you use it manually after the 2 min cooldown? Or you just wait and combine it every other shadowblades?

[hazy breach]

Hold

[swift tinsel]

just every other blades

[brisk raptor]

Thanks

[wild hornet]

purple among pinks is humiliating

i feel like going back to my ret

for guaranteed 99s

[sour girder]

Is there any reason some people is crafting mh dagger with ascendance instead of focusing lens?

[hazy breach]

Because it doesnt matter

[sour girder]

Then wich one should i use???

[swift tinsel]

both

neither

yes

live unchained

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

the diffrence in output between embellishments is low and ascendance is better on sin (even tho it barely matters)

[sour girder]

Sin = assassination?

[honest grail]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

yes

[daring tusk]

can we ask a small question about rotation in this channel?

[harsh socket]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[keen dome]

Of course!

[daring tusk]

i've read the guides

[lilac stag]

As long as you put ver/mastery missive and don’t craft the intellect daggie, you’re golden

[daring tusk]

but if multi target (7 plus) do we not cast eviscerate to maintain slice?

[west tide]

guys i made an int dagger

[twilit phoenix]

Screenshots

[wicked urchin]

i just dc'd in a delve and now i'm stuck logging into game server

rip

[shy scarab]

Was a guy here that crafted int dagger, wonder where he is now..

[keen dome]

oh no

[regal ermine]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[fallow nimbus]

bye bye transmitter. even if it's just a hc house of cards

[shy scarab]

Hello happy life

[frigid light]

bro even a normal house of cards tops it

[west tide]

ill never get a house of cards

unless its from my vault

its so big for everyone and like not so big for rogue

[fallow nimbus]

and i can also upgrade my thug hotline

[frigid light]

moshi moshi i need boss dead

[slate lantern]

pvp trinket gamers

fuck 1%

i do more than 1% in my pinky toe

[gilded nymph]

is this eye of kezan trink a bait or is it only good in long raid fights?

[twilit phoenix]

I can tell a dude with a really big dick typed this

[daring tusk]

sorry, anyone got an answer on this?

[dry dune]

How do you manage all cooldowns on sub? I am used to press 1-2 main cd and doing dmg 😄 Sub has like 5 😄

[soft estuary]

can someone help me understand why im not always getting full cp on shadowstrike during dance?

[twilit phoenix]

You prolly don’t have enough shadow techniques stacks

Weakauras track it

[twilit phoenix]

You still press coup de grace in 7+

Which gives + maintains snd

[slate lantern]

practice

[twilit phoenix]

If you somehow have no snd and you’re starting on a 7+ pack, press evisc before you go into your flag window

As tank gathers

[daring tusk]

makes sense, cheers

[solemn creek]

Almost out of circe

[slate lantern]

you only get full cp when in shadow blades and with premed, not just anytime during dance

[slate lantern]

its like some shoved an elephant trunk in my pants, blessing and a curse

[solemn creek]

3k away from removing ring

[snow birch]

Is it worth to switch from 4p from s1 to 2p of s2 ?

[median nacelle]

prob not, generally simming is key

[quick latch]

whats best race for sub

[median nacelle]

race is all pref rly, dwarf/nelf good tho

i play void elf

[fickle mason]

If im not using transmitter perfectly, would a pvp trinket outpace it?

[twilit phoenix]

Yeah

[fickle mason]

How perfect is transmitter response on the sim

[quick latch]

i hate that transmitter is still top trinket this season...

[twilit phoenix]

It always has it for 1st sectech

[naive cedar]

What do I take? Is this ring good in end gear considering it's high mastery low crit?

[twilit phoenix]

It’s not really top

Pvp trinket is competitive with a heroic transmitter

And heroic hoc is competitive with mythic transmitter

[median nacelle]

generally main stat gear is ur best bet, what offstats is on ur sneakers?

[naive cedar]

High haste low mastery :/

Cloak is high vers low crit

[median nacelle]

ya but agi fun

[naive cedar]

Ring would be great for possibly flexing assa tho

[median nacelle]

u can catalyst l8r but not sure if they give anything good lol

[quick latch]

which one?

[median nacelle]

ya if ur an assa enjoyer too, sounds good

[slate lantern]

all the boots suck for us so next craft is likely boots

(besides boe boots)

[quick latch]

is pvp trinket better then hero 6/6 transmitter?

[median nacelle]

hehehehe wtb boe boots

[slate lantern]

its like 0.5-0.8% worse

[hazy breach]

Slightly worse typically in sims

But theres no minigame attached to it

[slate lantern]

but QoL is BANGING

[twilit phoenix]

People think sims = real life performance

[quick latch]

can you link the trinket pls

[twilit phoenix]

[wet plank]

Yea guess after raids this week im stuck in pvp grind for that trinket since i never got transmitter how long is it going to take going for only pvp trinket with like 2 pieces of current honor gear to my name so id have to grind out more honor first anyone know roughly time estimate?

[slate lantern]

its called prized gladiators something and it has a lil blue icon

[warm depot]

ive stockholmed myself into enjoying transmitter

[slate lantern]

you can just farm the warmode crates which are like 60 conq each and spawn every like 15-20 mins, its boring but you literally rarely have to do pvp. join a group for it and its ez

[thorny rivet]

Transmitter is the best trinket. I want more mini game trinkets. Especially one that requires me to type something or /bow at the boss

[magic ravine]

Is there anything to play around with the new 4p or is it just rotation and cd prio as normal?

[median nacelle]

ya me too

[sick jackal]

i dont remember what life felt like before transmitter

[pure jay]

hating transmitter = skill issue

[keen dome]

Where's the skill when it goes down the hole

[pure jay]

?

[sick jackal]

you jump off the bridge with it

[keen dome]

true

[pure jay]

i wont be sad when its gone, i just dont see the level of hate for it

sucks sometimes, like a lot of things

[warm depot]

i had it go down the hole in lockenstock last night

that was fun

skill issue on my part i guess

LOL

[pure jay]

down the hole? oh like if the platform version goes over thin air?

[warm depot]

x)

[pure jay]

otherwise i don't get the down the hole reference, position better when you pop it

[quick latch]

this? https://i.imgur.com/lTNhsuF.png

[slate lantern]

i dont speak german but JAAAAAA

da?

fuck

[patent crystal]

Is zee thugs hotline sim bait?
feel like it doesnt do dmg

[slate lantern]

i really dont speak german

[sick jackal]

do we replace conquest trinket maxed out with transmitter?

[quick latch]

thank yu very much

[paper stirrup]

is it ever worth not using finnishers outside of dance with 4 set?

[slate lantern]

transmitter mythic is better than conq trinket flat out, but heroic its close enough

[slate lantern]

we dont pay attention to stacks in like 95% of situations

[west tide]

fuck da transmitta

[keen dome]

preach

[west tide]

i just want to look cool big ilevel its not about the actual trinket dude

got me out here lookin like lil timmy with my ilevel

[slate lantern]

658 > 639, its just math

idk why everyone keeps saying sim, its not that hard

[west tide]

exactly

cant sim aura

people dont think about that

[slate basin]

So I use Luxthos for my Rogue UI, and I am having trouble tracking shadow technique built up combo points. Is there a good WA for it? Or am I looking in the wrong spot of the UI?

[slate lantern]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[slate lantern]

some of the others have that functionality i think?

[tranquil garden]

Le's definitely does

[leaden sail]

is this a big sim bait? no way it's good

[short aurora]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[lethal gale]

Im trying to create a weak aura to track winning streak stacks but not finding it under buffs anyone know if this is possible? also it it beneficial to do some pre pull stuff like getting max stacks before boss pull or do they reset

[alpine wraith]

it is not bad now after buffs

but you also miss an on use

like transmitter or house of cards or pvp trink

[hollow condor]

/sd

!sd

[vale pine]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[lusty narwhal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak grotto]

What active trinket are you using if you aint using transmitter?

[gritty knot]

anyone knows if the cyclet delete thing still works to upgrade ring to 658 for free?

[lilac stag]

house of cards or the pvp badge

[oak grotto]

What pvp badge?

[lilac stag]

It worked Sunday

It’s on bloodmallet now

[gritty knot]

what do I do, just take out gems, delete. buy ring again?

[lilac stag]

Yes

[gritty knot]

thx

[lilac stag]

you may need to do it twice.

Basically it resets to 639 and you kill rares for a hour

[fallow nimbus]

mhm is it safe so send hc cards to 665?

[lilac stag]

What else you gonna replace it with?

[fallow nimbus]

a mythic card in a few weeks

[lilac stag]

[leaden sail]

if they have not fixed it since week one you just take out gems, delete, go talk to the guy and he will give you a new one fully lvled and you just put it in 2nd ring slot

[gritty knot]

thx

[eager patrol]

is this trinket actually useful now?

[lilac stag]

The replaced fully leveled doesn’t always work

[eager patrol]

I have 619 transmitter in that slot

[hollow spear]

quick sim is cooked rn, it always downgrades my circlet to 619 😄

[lilac stag]

mine did not

[leaden sail]

it sims high for me too

[eager patrol]

it got like 136% buffed or sum

yesterday

[lilac stag]

It got a huge buff.

[leaden sail]

but no on use is kinda cooked so I'm just farming pvp one

[eager patrol]

its def ass for m+

but sounds chill for raid

[twilit phoenix]

mythic cards in a few weeks

[leaden sail]

if you get hase it's like having no trink

[twilit phoenix]

Few weeks

[eager patrol]

just always hit agility

[hollow spear]

haste is not great, but also not that terrible

[eager patrol]

🤓

[leaden sail]

[hollow spear]

the amplifier is actually quite decent

[eager storm]

for the house of cards deck trinket, what should i macro it too?

[hollow spear]

shadowblades

[fallow nimbus]

blades

[eager storm]

ok thx

someone told me flagellation, but blades sound better

[slate lantern]

The conq on use champion track prized gladiator something

[hollow spear]

somehow have to farm 2 sockets for the pvp neck, feels so bad

[tepid trellis]

this aint the server for that

[pastel rampart]

bro

[hexed sluice]

If your server is heavy your faction, just sit in warmode dude

[hollow spear]

you can do that with your eyes closed

[hexed sluice]

and collect crates

[pastel rampart]

literally click the boxes in warmode if ur desperate

[oak grotto]

I have never touched pvp so kinda desperate

[hollow spear]

me neither

you're playing sub

just onehit them :^)

[leaden sail]

just do some pvp quests

[buoyant basin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant rapids]

i crafted my weap and i have this enchanted runed crest what should i use it on

[tepid trellis]

you dont have another spark

so

ehm

nothing

[leaden sail]

just sit on it

[distant rapids]

yeah without spark

aight

[oak grotto]

Do they appear on the map like worldquests?

[leaden sail]

probably craft max gear right away no point crafting heroic

[leaden sail]

most of them are right here

https://i.imgur.com/EcVml6B.jpeg

[pastel rampart]

This guy in dornogal has 3 weekly pvp quests

some involve actually doing pvp though

they give 50-175 conquest each

while in warmode and in a zone, roughly every hour, a box will fall from the sky

that also has conquest in it

[leaden sail]

and you get some extra conquest for first win everywhere

[pastel rampart]

first win gives conquest from these:

they're unrated, so you'll be fighting ppl like 300 ilvls lower

and theres no stress

[distant rapids]

sit on the enchanted runed crest? im not gonna use a spark on it though

gonna use spark on gilded later

[pastel rampart]

u cant use enchanted runed without a spark

[distant rapids]

ahhhh

[obsidian cloak]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant rapids]

good looks eve

[keen dome]

Crests set the iLevel. Sparks set the item to that season.

[eager patrol]

can u even use it on anything without spark

[leaden sail]

just ignore it, craft with gilded right away

[keen dome]

No.

They're useless without a seasonal spark to actually craft with

[distant rapids]

thanks boys

[keen dome]

Going Hero -> Myth can have it's uses though, like as a middle step until you get the gilded.

[twilit phoenix]

how long does 10k honor take

[pastel rampart]

depends on ur skill

and ur class

honor is warbound transferrable too

[honest hornet]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[twilit phoenix]

what's the most efficient source

bgs, arena?

[pastel rampart]

healing solo shuffle

[stoic lark]

do you guys track your set stacks?

[solemn sonnet]

nah better to ignore

[keen dome]

I just did epic bgs. took 2 hours this evening

boring but easy enough

also some hotmogu 'cos youg et tons of hk's

[eager patrol]

is there a way to only make the season 2

ones show up

[twilit phoenix]

Thanks king

[pastel rampart]

oh if u meant effort efficient

epic bgs u can afk in and get honor

[tepid trellis]

still HoC-less

[twilit phoenix]

L

[hollow spear]

casual 660

[keen dome]

i'm catching up

[twilit phoenix]

Imagine not having a hero track delve mastery and hero track hoc already

[hollow spear]

couldn't be me

[eager patrol]

what item do u mean with delve mastery

[twilit phoenix]

The drink trinket

Forget what it’s called

[eager patrol]

the skull?

[keen dome]

Suspcious Energy Drink

[hollow spear]

energy drink

[twilit phoenix]

Nah the redbull one

[hollow spear]

sussy

[twilit phoenix]

Yeah that one

[eager patrol]

thought eye of kezan is the second best one anyways

after cards

[hollow spear]

they're not competing

[twilit phoenix]

Kezan sussy in keys

[hollow spear]

but kezan outperforms other trinkets in longer fights

[feral tendon]

Any tips to optimize rotation with new tier set?
Do we really have to hold 8 stacks of tier set before the next burst window?

[eager patrol]

never seen the drink drop

[twilit phoenix]

That drink bangs in keys

Crazy uptime

[eager patrol]

and ive had some delve trinkets

three times

already

[neat night]

Noob question here, I was watching my logs as a new sub. Currently 620 so ... I just see secret technique and eviscerate doing so much more damage than me. Maybe I don t understand how well to set up my dances windows?

Im comparing with same ilvl of course

[worthy pulsar]

Guys. The moment we press sectec, is there any dmg? Or the first tick is like 1s after?

[west tide]

mastery and vers give ur finishers lots of damage maybe a discrepancy in stats. outside of that sequencing is everything in cds

[leaden sail]

old tier set gives secret technique 20% more dmg

[clever delta]

climbing up

[eager patrol]

is there anything I could easily change instantly (besides sockets into neck and buying conquest boots or crafting 639 pvp boots)

got some 649 rings n stuff but queen one still sims higher

didnt do raid etc this week yet

dont like the haste on neck but it does give me like 19% mastery

[paper iron]

ok so, i m on the 4p jastor house gang

[tepid trellis]

[paper iron]

what are u using as custom apl everytime stealthi?

[rotund depot]

are these sims with lust and all buffs and everything? im at 1.4m at 648ish

[native zodiac]

[spiral needle]

that seems like dummy DPS, patchwerk includes all raid buffs

[tepid trellis]

i got 0 loot in normal/hc

its sad

hopefully belt drops on cauldron tmrw

[native zodiac]

still got 90 crests too

[tepid trellis]

so i can spend my gilded

[native zodiac]

i got mythic belt, chest and shoulders

just hoping for dagger

[swift crest]

does this sim better than a heroic transmitter for sub? and do you hold it for the 1.30 cd window?

[leaden sail]

still only got 1 chest

[swift crest]

no to what sim or hold

[tepid trellis]

ive got dagger and feet

[errant tinsel]

Not better

[tepid trellis]

🙂

[spiral needle]

you're stuck with transmitter until every other DPS gets cards

[swift crest]

even a heroic transmitter?