subtlety

[halcyon coral]

and sims really dont do justice, but like i can do 5-6M on 5 targets, it doesnt seem like i can reach that on sub

[molten citrus]

pretty sure sub can do that and more

a lot of ppl think sub is going to be "the" rogue spec for keys this season

[cunning horizon]

Is it worth to macro symbols with secret techniques? And also have a key to cast just symbols.
Right now i have shadow dance and symbols together

[halcyon coral]

yeah thats what made me come chat with yall

[halcyon coral]

with my current gear i cant lol

but i will practice more

[molten citrus]

wouldn't recommend either of those tbh

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[cunning horizon]

Welp it's gonna be super hard to press all those keys off global together

[molten citrus]

it's not so bad once you get used to it

[azure mauve]

bro @hazy breach it happeend again lol

on the same boss

[silver obsidian]

Junkmaestro’s Mega Magnet 🧲, do we build it up to max stacks or do we use it often? Is there a huge difference either way?

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade

[tribal blade]

SHEEEEEESH

[hexed sluice]

Gratz!

[lilac stag]

we had 1 second til enrage. 2 of them dropped. gave other to disc priest

[tribal blade]

interesting sub rogue had priority over others

unless you won a roll

[lilac stag]

we do sim / player performance

also others have options, sub doesnt

got 4pc as well. we rolling now

[swift tinsel]

full normal and 2 heroic bosses no loot

time to reroll

[slate lantern]

get to practicing your piano moves

[midnight geyser]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[midnight geyser]

is it just me or is blef missing from fuu racial sims

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEGPKxttbobvqWY6sheyZe

[bright elk]

was the only dps left on the zenith track to need 2 pieces of tier, had 2 catalyst items ready to go, and after first 4 heroic/normal clear i rolled a 6 and all the zenith went to the tank/2 healers

[molten citrus]

its in there

at -1.0%

[bleak night]

more than made up for in transmog potential though

[jaunty heath]

Socket Head

Solid

[shy orbit]

which should i pick

[jaunty heath]

Had to pass on energy drink tho

[hexed dagger]

4set and jastor diamond tonight

rolled 100 lol

[slate lantern]

prob eye

[rocky thorn]

!fuu

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[latent parcel]

What are the stats on catalysted wrists? Dont have any to test

[shy orbit]

haste mast

[latent parcel]

ty

[weak hamlet]

got house of cards but champion T_T

should have played more last week smh

ur back?!

[eager idol]

what are you all using if you don't have TT or House of Cards?

for on use

[clever delta]

got some options

[weak hamlet]

im using skardyns and egg from last season used to play sin

skardyns lil bit cringe cause 2 min cd but its w/e

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade any mastery enjoyers?

[lucid jackal]

the pvp on use

[weak hamlet]

how good is it compared to other top trinkets?

[slate hinge]

Its like right after transmitter mythic iirc

[lilac stag]

its equal to a heroic transmitter and behind HoC heroic slightly

[weak hamlet]

damm

[lilac stag]

assuming you're perfect on your transmitter pickups

[weak hamlet]

thats worth farming

[slate hinge]

It takes a couple of minutes if you're decent at pvp

[edgy zenith]

is it normally to not get your first sectech with SB?

on every flag after the first one?

or is it worth to delay flag like 3s

[thorny rivet]

I personally delay if it's out of sync like that

[lilac stag]

you send SB with Sectech

[thorny rivet]

I like my CDs to line up 🙂

[lilac stag]

dont macro flag and SB

[edgy zenith]

they aren't

[lilac stag]

the opener is very consistent

[edgy zenith]

the answer is yes

I don't know why I ask questions here anymore bro

just ask the robot

[lilac stag]

first sectech is your opener

not 130 into fight

[edgy zenith]

good thing I said on every flag after the opener

[lilac stag]

you asked 3 questions gg glad robot got you

[edgy zenith]

me too 🙂

[warm marlin]

if flag is coming up soon and you have 8 stacks of tier + coup available is it not best to spam rupture/snd like ptr?

surely these black powders bricking tier stacks for 0.3% dmg are not worth

[lilac stag]

i saved it, mainly since it was add phases or dmg phases

in a bubble I dont think it matters

[quick latch]

is it worth to take off the s1 4 set bonus for 2 set bonus of the new set

https://i.imgur.com/BHQpWn5.png

thats what im simming tho

[jaunty heath]

Secret tech hits 1.3 seconds after real big so if you wanna be insanely optimal and time it you can strike once yes

[subtle trellis]

hello, i am new to sub rogue. I have a dagger for my MH but does it matter if i have a sword for my OH? or do i need 2 daggers

[granite river]

two daggers make sec tech better

so need

[subtle trellis]

sec tech? ok ill try to get 2nd dagger

[granite river]

secret technique

[subtle trellis]

o ok ya that might explain it

[dawn hinge]

what the hell...

[lilac stag]

gz on getting 4pc vault

[dawn hinge]

core amp sims highest

but probably because i have a bit less crit than haste atm

[muted agate]

tank bran so fucking doghsit

[lilac stag]

you know its meant for healers.

and crimson vial aint gonna cut it

[lilac stag]

I guess how likely are you to get mythic tier shoulders any time soon?

long term those maybe better

I grabbed mythic chest over a trinket today.

[hexed sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[dawn hinge]

will have to catalyze them at some point

i crafted a dagger, but surely that's another option to take

also sims within margin

kinda sucks not to get 4set early though

[keen steppe]

i macro house into flag or blades?

[lilac stag]

Blades

[keen steppe]

thanks :)

[lilac stag]

It’s a nice dagger, but raid has one early if you’re running mythic

and you’re spending a lot of crest for an OH basically

lots of choices.

[tired hound]

Would anyone be willing to check a log for me any let me know if it looks like I'm doing stuff fundamentally incorrect?

[dusky ingot]

im cooked for sub

[lilac stag]

Enjoy assa!

[sudden bison]

with sham buff. THE POWEEERRR

[wheat sentinel]

The sub burst is so funny right now.

I go from pooling at like 500k to 3mil+dps on + bosses lol

[novel mirage]

Then you finish all your symbols and you sit there going limp

[boreal finch]

Does wow analyzer every work for sub rogue?

[kind edge]

bis overall dagger

[wild hornet]

Sites kinda outdated

[teal lion]

House of cards or Transmitter on pull?

[wild hornet]

But u can use it for the basic stuff

[upbeat nymph]

i was doing 12 brew and i feel low dmg at AOE, when i press black powder

[wild hornet]

Its ok i thought i felt the same

First pull 8m dps and was at the bottom

[upbeat nymph]

pressing black powder or cleave evi

[hushed roost]

is seaforium bugged in sims?

[delicate slate]

!fuu

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[azure ember]

If i get 2set even if one piece is LFR is it worth dropping old 4set

[hallow sigil]

SIM it just in case, but I don't think so.

[half osprey]

is there a weakaura for for winning streak?

[sudden bison]

is the trickster tricks hero talent bugged?

[hoary lotus]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[crystal kraken]

do we change our rotation at all with new 4set?

[lucid jackal]

nop

[crystal kraken]

play as if it doesnt exist?

[lucid jackal]

yep

[alpine wraith]

i guess we get chest

[lucid jackal]

nice capes bro

[alpine wraith]

capeman

[quasi portal]

is there a specific way to lay around 4set or just yolo ?

play*

[high isle]

pacemaker it is?

[alpine wraith]

or mythic pants

[high isle]

but if feel like myth pants are easier to get in like 1 or 3 weeks. the trinket only loses to myth eye right?

[alpine wraith]

depends what your goals are

some people's tier is over in 1 or 3 weeks

others in 3 or 4 months

[jade canopy]

man xd if i could take more items from vault i would

[high isle]

jesus

[south storm]

is there any spreadsheet that compare all three specs this season ?

[frozen gyro]

Guys i have existing normal tier chest and hands. Have leathet shoulders and head for catalyst in bag. Got normal legs in vault. Taking legs gives me 4 set. But i also have heroic chest, which i alredy have normal. Which is better?

[steel zinc]

Eye dagger you get from Rick reverb

[jade canopy]

Ig or i can craft it right

[steel zinc]

That too

[jade canopy]

Still not getting rid of transmitter is pain

[frozen gyro]

Should i upgrade chest from norm to hc. Or take legs to get 4 set?

[weak hamlet]

look at this shit bruh (619 transmitter, 645 Amplifier, 662 remnant of darkness, 658 HoC, 639 Sacbrood)

619 transmitter better than champion HoC T_T

[jaunty heath]

!fuu

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[knotty depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1109104597974397008/1349268269701267499/image.png?ex=67d27b7f&is=67d129ff&hm=6e59436c3a444b8dd206095dc05bb81a390a600172eb33d9285a66b44c354207&

[weak hamlet]

u will still replace hc chest later so might as well take 4pc

[knotty depot]

I'm not sure the ring is worth getting even if it's my only myth option...

[weak hamlet]

that mastery is looking juicy ngl

[knotty depot]

I'm already super loaded on mastery

If I take hero head I get full heroic 4p though, I just feel bad not getting that singler myth option I got eh

but the ring at max ilvl is litterally a downgrade when simming 😐

[shy scarab]

Easy choice, dont even haven to think twice or sim bro

[jolly pasture]

Sick sin ring

[knotty depot]

well yeah but I don't play sin haha

[jolly pasture]

Taking hero track from vault is kinda useless unless its tier

Or raid itema

[sonic mesa]

hmmmm

[umbral topaz]

ring kinda big, but i havent used cata charges yet so myth tier chest.. 🤔

[shy scarab]

Ouff hard choice… easier to get myth track chest than that ring tbh🤓

[jolly pasture]

Myth tier chest huge

[umbral topaz]

true but i'll prolly end up using charge on hero tier chest which feels bad 😄

[jolly pasture]

Oh man it sucks having an office day on reset so many hours before i see my vault

[shy scarab]

Wake up earlier to open it

Or go home during lunch like i used to do😂😂😂

[jolly pasture]

Wfh all week but this one day has to be office..

Work too far from home also what time is eu reset?

[shy scarab]

05.00 or 0600 am

[sonic mesa]

Yeah so happy about that. After 6 weeks of Tier stuff last season i finally happy again with tier stuff😂

[left meteor]

Hello guys, is sub rogue playable after nerf?

[sonic hamlet]

No

[jade canopy]

[sonic hamlet]

House of cards on champ track > every other choice right?

[knotty depot]

hmmm yeah no matter what I sim the ring is a downgrade...

[ornate heron]

!fyy

!fuu

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[left meteor]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[abstract dock]

Is using backstab after dance not built into the APL yet?

[haughty mural]

???

[left meteor]

Can sub damage on m+ and not looking a party for hour?)

[young mural]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[young mural]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[gritty gorge]

Hey guys, the Azerokk trinket here is the no-brainer in the long run, right? Even if set-gloves would be the better "short-term-upgrade"?

[fickle mason]

Is there a way to track cp refunds

[young mural]

yes

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[young mural]

"Shadowcraft refund sound trigger"

[hexed dagger]

we dont play around tier set at all right?

[haughty mural]

dont wanna be rude - but what the hell are you talking about

[vale pine]

nice, congrats

[haughty mural]

generally not - only if there are certain situations (e.g. specific burst setups)

[vale pine]

you can absolutely do that, the gain in single target is not bad from doing that

tho just to be clear, bp is hitting decently well

[quaint nimbus]

do you guys have awkward moments when you have your CDs back but dont have a single dance for like 10 or 15 seconds?

or does that just happen with Disorienting Strikes?

[olive turret]

did anyone not get an charge of kaja'mite from finishing master blaster?

have 2100 rating but only 1 charge

[civic forge]

is it worth spending 75 gilded to upgrade a non bis myth track dagger for 0.5%? hmmmm

[modest river]

gottem

[glacial forum]

should i choose the avoidance piece or the champion -> myth one

[civic forge]

should we skip rupture in the opener with The First Dance to try fit both sec techs within the one first dance? atm if i rupture first global after flag, I can only really reset the 2nd sec tech within the first dance half the time

[tribal blade]

avoidance one, then that slot is done for the entire tier

very likely never replace that

!fuu

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[rare plaza]

What should I do, create set piece on the hero piece of go for shit stats on the waist Crit mastery

[keen dome]

Man, Haste/Versa weapon in my Myth slot.

I guess I better sim to figure it out

[vale pine]

absolutely^^

[keen dome]

Because ooh, a Myth weapon is big, but I have a 675..

[haughty mural]

no hoc in your vault ?

[rain stratus]

When do you guys pop transmitter during opener?

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1349287948582912043/image.png?ex=67d28dd3&is=67d13c53&hm=134408fbc51cb5090b79405b733970c56714cc3fbd7b33b644740e91fba2ae33&

Sadly not

[haughty mural]

oh no

looking forward to my piss vault in 10h

[keen dome]

Dagegr is Haste/Versa but it is Myth. The legs have Leech on them. Tier helm / gloves might be good. I don't have gloves atm anyway

But I recall gloves are our off-set slot?

[open vortex]

with flag, gives you enough time to do the minigame before you press sectec

[haughty mural]

ye gloves are off-set

you got head already ?

[keen dome]

Catalyst fodder one with avoidance on it, yeah

[haughty mural]

probably

to get 4pc asap

did you sim dagger ?

oh wait, you said you already got 675

[keen dome]

Yeah, simmed dagger just now:

Tough

[maiden patio]

Normal house of cards or hero track gloves 🥲 (not managed to stack vault due to hols)

[haughty mural]

how much do you need for 4pc ?

[keen dome]

I need one piece and I have 4p. I have two cata charges + chest. So I could wait until I do normal/h today

But I'm just curious how much a 'good' statted dagger would be versus this one

[vernal junco]

imo cards if no transmitter, tokens if you have one

[tepid trellis]

this game sucks

[keen dome]

Hey, high5 dissapoitnment dagger buddies

[torn niche]

the chances of starting with a socket the first week are very low, but never 0

[keen dome]

Best statted dagger versus this haste dagger is about 0.2 - 0.3% difference so I guess it's not a bad pick this week

[celest needle]

!fuu

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[young mural]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[short radish]

surely helm for catalyze

[vestal escarp]

Ok i feel silly cause i catalyzed chest midweek

[keen dome]

That trinket on Myth is gotta be a good pick too

[vestal escarp]

??

[keen dome]

I'm stupid

[alpine wraith]

azerokk is kinda decent ye

[vestal escarp]

Azerokk resonating simbait

[crystal kraken]

besides eye best non on use right

[keen dome]

I've been using it on Hero and it's pretty fine. Just the typical issue of RNG when ti procs

[shy ermine]

bis helm or socket belt for me 🙂

[quick horizon]

Hey,
Is the pacemaker not working properly in sub SIM as well ?

[native epoch]

When you invest 2 points in a supercharger. Is the damage of the first supercharger and the second supercharger the same?

[west arch]

ring maybe?

[full acorn]

Is it troll if I macro HOC to Flag

[abstract oar]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vestal escarp]

Yes, macro instead to shadowblades

[full acorn]

Whats the CD on sb?

One or 2 min

[shy ermine]

1.5

[high isle]

also 1:30

[full acorn]

Og

Oh ok

[weak hamlet]

guys quick question if any1 can help

is there any scenario wwhere we wanna press Shadow dance without SoD

[shy ermine]

without sod already running or not at the same time?

[weak hamlet]

withou SoD aleady running

[shy ermine]

you don't want to macro dance and sod together because you use them separately in your cds

but you never want to dance without sod running

[weak hamlet]

i have seperate keybind for SoD but my shadow dance is keybinded with SoD

[shy ermine]

dancing without sod running is a horrible experience, you have no energy

and you have more sod charges than dances

[weak hamlet]

noted

appreciate it

[steel zinc]

You need to have a rhythm and be a dancer

🕺

[steel zinc]

That's cooked. Maybe trinket for free crest upgrade idk

[vestal escarp]

But you need two for a discount

[tepid trellis]

yep

[paper iron]

Get the radio and vibe racoon

[tepid trellis]

its joever

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

time to reroll

[steel zinc]

Better then 0

[vestal escarp]

Typical ass first vault

[paper iron]

Gg reroll

[vestal escarp]

There was a na guy yesterday with all mid rings and bad trinkets

[tepid trellis]

just did TW

surely there is a HoC in there right?????????

nvm a third pair of boots

im quitting

[round latch]

this is atrocious ngl

[paper iron]

Gg stealthi

[jolly pasture]

Do you go straight into 2nd dance or farm cdr between dances so your first finisher in 2nd dance can be sectec?

[paper iron]

All ur luck gone week 1

[round latch]

make it season 1

[tepid trellis]

fuck u mean luck?

[paper iron]

Time to do splits on alt

[tepid trellis]

i havent been lucky with loot since i started playing this game

[paper iron]

[round latch]

big statements

[dry plank]

guys do we play around Suspicious Energy Drink somehow? how it is triggered?

[paper iron]

Out of 12 classes u managed to pick the useless one, that s real unlucky idd

[tepid trellis]

aite not playing more wow today, im mad

[tepid trellis]

i cant fully say im not that lucky

but also i dont care about mounts

what so ever

[quick horizon]

Any reasy why Pacemaker 662 sims way lower that a random trinket 645 while being listed A tier in wowhead guide

[tepid trellis]

so this is rather useless for me

[paper iron]

Gz on the mount tho

I did so many runs yet i Never got it

[keen dome]

s a m e

[paper iron]

I actually Farmed it

[keen dome]

His luck is channeling into the wrong things

[paper iron]

But I l neither lucky or unlucky to be fair with myself. Im average

[alpine wraith]

pacemaker has some issues with on uses it gets treated as another

so it messes up some sims

[west arch]

!fuu

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[quick horizon]

That's what I heard

So it's safe pick then

Thanks

[glass jasper]

happy vault day to me! happy vault day to me! 🥳 🎂

[jolly pasture]

Overrated, transmitter almost as good

[glass jasper]

I didn't get transmitter all S1, so I deserved some luck

[ornate lake]

What's the rule with secTech w/o flag and blades?

Dance+Symbols->backstab->ss->secTech

Or do we delay symbols?

Because all guides say to use dance and symbols together

[ornate lake]

Vendor it

[glass jasper]

As long as you have symbols to cover your dances

in blades

Feel free to use with dance out of blades/flag also

But you dont want to put yourself in a pos where you have dance/flag without symbols

[alpine wraith]

if talent rotten you dance stab sod sec tech strike evis etc etc

[vestal escarp]

can you get tier from TW chest?

[ornate lake]

Yeah so my main concern should be that my dance and symbols should be available in flag/blade window

!sd

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[final copper]

TW is good no?

[worthy pulsar]

do we macro house of cards with blades?

[alpine wraith]

nice trink

yea macroing card to blades is fine

[worthy pulsar]

thx

[tepid trellis]

i uninstalled

[jaunty heath]

idk this motherlode trinket is probably shit?

[alpine wraith]

it is quite good

[jaunty heath]

really? getting a proc that big randomly seems cringe

[alpine wraith]

also 2p a win pog https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xq2XDwX7K4BLQ6GPnDyqYh

well that randomly is very random but also only needs to hit on cds once

and it is like an extra transmitter

[stoic lark]

With how many seconds left on the big cds do i Stop sending dance?

[hallow sigil]

I'm also wondering what the numbers are. When do we stop sending dance when do we stop sending sectec? Like 20ish seconds on shadow blades? More?

[alpine wraith]

basically 20 to 25 secs or so

[round latch]

it only takes like idk 30min to dl

dont be a drama queen man

the raccoon i know fights through hardships

[tepid trellis]

only thing im fighting is the demons

[alpine wraith]

well he can do what he wants

[tepid trellis]

and the voices

[alpine wraith]

sometimes a therapeutic uninstall helps

instead of breaking apparel

[round latch]

very true

[tepid trellis]

why not both?

[alpine wraith]

my apparel is very dear to me

[tepid trellis]

time for me to go and let out frustrations with some muay thai

[keen dome]

[paper iron]

Yo muaythai

[fathom gazelle]

another week of chasing transmitter's orb

[vale pine]

based

[shell delta]

should i go for house of cards anyway? Transmitter killing me in brain.

4p vs house of cards

[dapper stirrup]

House of cards, you get in 7 days the next catalyst charge

[shell delta]

Yeaj and tonigh normal raid and tomorrow atleast 5 hc bosses. Ill get that 4p soon

[paper iron]

Could also wait reclears

[digital aspen]

thoughts on Azerokks?

[paper iron]

If that s OK with your gm to stall these 2 items

So he knows he can gîve u one of them and the other u get in vaut

Best case

[tepid trellis]

cant wait to be bottom dps on our mythic reclear this week

once other people have 4set

[sly shore]

I don't wish to talk about my vault, thank you for your understanding on this difficult time

[paper iron]

Yo stealthi

U dooming so much

[tepid trellis]

i will bet you mine was worse

[paper iron]

U sound outlaw rn

[shell delta]

Gm would want me to get 4p probs so more ppl get it asap

[tepid trellis]

its called being realistic

[paper iron]

Ecactly what I said

[young trench]

no HoC in vault its all over bois =((

[paper iron]

Sound outlaw

We re both doomers

[sly shore]

we have 4p on everyone except like 2 people now

dps, anyway

[tepid trellis]

we will probably be close to it

by tonight

hopefully

[tepid trellis]

this was a gem i made

[sly shore]

[paper iron]

I still dont understand how ww is just blasting st

[tepid trellis]

bro

[silent ruin]

Do we get second crafting token this week?

[paper iron]

They Went under radar

[tepid trellis]

their bis sim is almost 3mil

no the fuck they didn't

lol

[paper iron]

Using oversimming excuse

[sly shore]

their sims weren't done until a week before the patch

because they were a bugged mess before that

[tepid trellis]

anybody doing a slight bit of ptr testing

knew how strong WW single target was

[sly shore]

yuh

[paper iron]

Yea but

They assumed it was some bug and it was gonna get fix/nerf

[sly shore]

I'm thinking of what to alt instead of rogue

[tepid trellis]

lost ark

better game

[sly shore]

maybe I make a boomkin with the warbound gear I got

[tepid trellis]

(its not)

[old kayak]

2 Old Set 2 new set useful or should i wait for 4 set ?

[sly shore]

ac shadows probably when that comes out

[paper iron]

Pretty crazy to me mw and ww rocks

Meanwhile brew sux ass

[void ocean]

what is this dooming

[tepid trellis]

blizzard very much knew how strong ww is

[sly shore]

I'm not saying rogue is bad atm btw

[young trench]

lost ark without the mobile game kinda bs you gotta do is truly a great game

[tepid trellis]

they just dont give a shit

[paper iron]

I d go sp

[sly shore]

I just want to alt something other than rogue

[paper iron]

Cuz priest can heal

[sly shore]

Farmbronze rise up

[tepid trellis]

Sub is good at 1 thing

[paper iron]

And sp is just so décent rn

[tepid trellis]

burst AoE

and sucks at everything else

[paper iron]

Sub is good at shrouding

Goes fast

Nothing else

[paper iron]

[sly shore]

Kpchi rising

[glossy turtle]

I was told that there was a cyrce's circlet trick, where you can get free upgrades. kinda like the old ring trick. is that true? im at the point where I need to replace it

[void ocean]

saw that sub is No.1 in Myth+ so prolly another nerf

[sly shore]

sub is good rn because keys are low

[paper iron]

I mean

[tepid trellis]

it gets better with higher keys

sub is good in +10s

[paper iron]

If they nerf sub m+ / raid they ll Have to revert it in couple month

Imo

[tepid trellis]

if your group does 0 dps

[paper iron]

Bad idea

[sly shore]

dw they buff assa ST and forget to nerf caustic spatter

you heard it here first

😄

[tepid trellis]

like every tier?

who could see that coming

[sly shore]

what can I say

I'm a savant

[paper iron]

As fuu wrote, sub is fated to be Middle of the pack later on, and it s à good place to me, if everyone is middlepack the game balance is on point

[tepid trellis]

tru tru

[paper iron]

But yea

Also

[haughty mural]

time to uncork our ww alts waiting in the shadows ?

[paper iron]

Assa s3 df

10% ahead

Insta nerf

Ww just vibing

[tepid trellis]

sub will be decent ish on statistics cuz of fight design this tier

[paper iron]

Aug and pi bullshit was à thing

[tepid trellis]

you will do good dmg if your guild lets you

[silent ruin]

Do we get crafting token this week or next?

[tepid trellis]

be add fucker numero uno

[tepid trellis]

next

[void ocean]

next

[haughty mural]

what exactly happened to aug btw ? didnt follow that thing really

[tepid trellis]

they took them out behind

[paper iron]

Stealthi ive à question

[tepid trellis]

and shot it

[paper iron]

Never really stalked u

[tepid trellis]

[paper iron]

Are u logs public ? I ll show my gm that i ll be good at padding so play for me

[tepid trellis]

they are not

[vale osprey]

very cute vault this morning

[paper iron]

[vale osprey]

HC house of cards acquired, 0/4 tier pieces got

[paper iron]

Gimme spécial access

[tepid trellis]

thats a 0,9% wipe

on rik

boss dmg

add dmg

so yes

let the sub

deal with barrels

very good

[paper iron]

Gosh

[tepid trellis]

i have the entire fight written down as to when to dance and when to cds and when to hold

[paper iron]

Arent u kinda dépendant on where they Spawn tho

Or is it not random like hc

[tepid trellis]

kinda

but they usually dont spawn "that" bad

like if you watch the kill we did

you can hear me call

when people can just tunnel boss

[paper iron]

I ll swear i ll yoink all your timers one day

U do research

I do buttons pressing

[tepid trellis]

like its not on the melee's to kill barrels in narnia

you are the meatgrinder

[remote shuttle]

Was watching ur rik kill, gj! U waited 15 secs opening cd to have burst windows on ads right?

[tepid trellis]

ranged should ignore all barrels in melee

[paper iron]

Hé did

[tepid trellis]

and focus the ones out

[tepid trellis]

yeh

you flag at 14 sec in

[paper iron]

Healer dps for 10s

Then

Brrrrrrr

[tepid trellis]

i had some OBSCENE pulls

with good spawn

[remote shuttle]

Very nice, was wondering if doing same (5/7 s delay) on one armed bandit (hc) to have big dmg on fixing ads... Can it work?

[paper iron]

I have to make myself notes with timer

I havnt since early s3 df

[tepid trellis]

thats as first barrel set dies

[paper iron]

Get fked ww

[hollow spear]

I also need to MRT time my fights

Just sending my dances all willy-nilly

subpar padding

[paper iron]

It s time consuming

Yea I just quickly open lorrgs

I figure it out

[hollow spear]

there's already too many Chinese logs there

[paper iron]

And it makes me press almost on cd

[hollow spear]

no way you can pad like the Chinese do

[tepid trellis]

i do a bit of vod watching

and then i just learn it by muscle memory on the fight as i go

[hollow spear]

yeah, that's the problem with hc

you don't wipe enough to map out the fights

😄

[paper iron]

Yea

[sly shore]

@tepid trellis why is ur ww doing zdps to pyrotechnics

[tepid trellis]

no 4set

[paper iron]

But idc about parsing specially in hc / prog MM. I just want to use sub at the optimal this tier i feel like playibg good

[tepid trellis]

and i snipe them faster than he does

[sly shore]

💀

[tepid trellis]

i time my sectech for them

[paper iron]

Unlike Last season i was Just vibing didnt care about any bosses havnt watched à single strat before à pull lmao

[sly shore]

pyrotechnic dammy

[paper iron]

I hated héro talents that much

[sly shore]

boss dammy

[umbral relic]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[tepid trellis]

barrel dmg

[full lagoon]

im so tempted to take the normal trinket man

lmao

[paper iron]

Tiem u loser

[sly shore]

lol loser

[hollow spear]

I remember coming back to WoW early S1

Wanted to play Outlaw, so I spent some time in the law channel

Now I see so many "old faces"

[paper iron]

Same dude im an outlaw envoyer and a dust hater

[full lagoon]

im an outlaw enjoyer and censi hater so i follow him around

[paper iron]

LOL

Bozo

[tepid trellis]

Fuck outlaw

[paper iron]

Can say that as much as u want

But as a sub

You re à dreadblades stealer and enjoyer now

[sly shore]

dreadblades without the 8% damage

get fucked idiot

[tepid trellis]

Better version of db

[paper iron]

Cant be worst than outlaw design anyway

[sly shore]

I assure you it can

[paper iron]

They do al they can to fk outlaw design more and more

[sly shore]

welcome to sub rogue

[vestal fog]

atleast i got ring bois

[umbral relic]

Guys i'm not sure on raidBot (human vs machine lol)
Raidbot Telling me to get rid of my s1 p4 set and go for 636 shoulders, but since i'm mainly doing m+ for gearing up i'm wondering if Improved Seaforium pacemaker is better.
Since raidbot sims on 5 minutes boss fight, i'm questionning myself 😮

any ideas?

[sly shore]

dim dslice

that's what rogue uses to get an idea for gearing for dungeons

[umbral relic]

huh

[umbral relic]

what do you mean?

fairly new to retail

[tepid trellis]

Sim dslice

[sly shore]

spelled sim wrong

[umbral relic]

oooh

[haughty mural]

dungeonslice

[sly shore]

d next to s innit

[tepid trellis]

And not patchwork for dungeon upgrades

[haughty mural]

oi

[tepid trellis]

BEANS

[umbral relic]

oooooh

yeah

thought i needed to pay to have options (used to wowsims from classic)

amazing, thanks ❤️

[haughty mural]

you need sims for classic ?

[umbral relic]

yeah lol

[haughty mural]

okay

[paper iron]

Simming 91819392b gems iterations

[sly shore]

you just pay for iterations

and not features

[paper iron]

Classic cata in à nutshell

[umbral relic]

except from playing with alzeimer players instead of ADHD zoomies it's relatively the same since wotlk

[full lagoon]

Plenty of corpses on retail too

[paper iron]

Tiem on retails

[full lagoon]

Im younger than all yall

And still bad at law 💔

[paper iron]

Zero is probably the youngest

[umbral relic]

yeah, but did your 'high level raiding guild' told you after 2 weeks that half of them were playing only with mouse clicking?

that's a level

[paper iron]

But his body is like 81 cuz of redbulls

[full lagoon]

No lmao

Zero is like 24

[uncut grove]

for the 4p tier set part, do we deal 2% extra dmg out of our shadow dmg (which is basically only shadow blades+replicating shadows) or do we deal 2% extra dmg as shadow on all of our attacks?

[tepid trellis]

we have way more shadow dmg than that lol

[sly shore]

sectech is mostly shadow

evis and bp do shadow damage

[tepid trellis]

around like 40% of our dmg is shadow dmg

[full lagoon]

Wait what causes sextech to be shadow again

[tepid trellis]

the ability it self

[sly shore]

it's shadow damage

[tepid trellis]

the clones are shadows

so they deal shadow dmg

[full lagoon]

Oh yeah ofc

[sly shore]

the shadow clones!!!!!!!

[full lagoon]

Just saw the physical only the other dat and got confused

[uncut grove]

sheesh

[full lagoon]

Cant read for shit either

Doomed generation

[tepid trellis]

X marks the shadow dmg

[haughty mural]

you could argue that the tooltip is not exatly great on sectec

[sly shore]

tooltips not being good no way

[haughty mural]

ikr

[sly shore]

you got a calc for that boss

[haughty mural]

that never happened before

[sly shore]

(calc is short for calculator)

[tepid trellis]

calc for what lol?

[sly shore]

36.06% of damage shadow!

I love DH buff

I also love monk buff!!

[full lagoon]

ts pmo icl u shkspr 💔

[vale pine]

we have a bit over 50% shadow damage iirc

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty mural]

shadowstrike should also be shadow

[abstract dock]

Is this opener any good? Shadowstrike > flag > rupture > dance > backstab > symbols > st and continue rotation. I saw it in a video

[haughty mural]

[tepid trellis]

yes

[vale pine]

okay, a bit less

still quite a bit

[proven plover]

bro what is that picture lmao

[vernal junco]

extraordinary mouse painting skill

[paper iron]

[abstract dock]

Is there any impact if secret technique is cast before versus after shadow blades?

[sly shore]

[tepid trellis]

not really

[twilit matrix]

!dance

[vale pine]

using mouse and paint (equivalent to pen and paper) to sum up all shadow damage parts in the graph

no calculator needed ^^

tho i should probably have used the table with ability breakdown instead because its harder to find the shadow damage sources in the circle graph

[dim trail]

timewalking

[cobalt edge]

So, with the new tier sets, are we still dropping sectech first on dance windows?

[tepid trellis]

yup

new tier doesent change anything

[cobalt edge]

what happened since dragonflight? on amirdrassil i thought we were going hard on danse macabre stacks

[uncut grove]

but i guess its good to wait a few seconds if you are on 8 stacks and shadowdance is coming in like +-5 seconds

to get your burst window with maxed stacks of jackpot

[tepid trellis]

we never really hard gamed it

at most it was some backstabbing in dance

or in amirdrassil a rupture to snapshot finality

[cobalt edge]

that's honestly great, ty

[void hound]

rupture snapshot on smold was pure dopamine

[tepid trellis]

whats the revers of dopamine

cuz it was more like that

when it never procced tier during amp phase

[cobalt edge]

depression

[void hound]

thats the nature of gambling...

the lack of proccs make the procs ever more exciting

[tepid trellis]

no

[void hound]

well yes

[tepid trellis]

it makes it more depressing when it never happens

if i wanted procs

[void hound]

ofc but the flipside is a higher high

[tepid trellis]

id play something else

[tribal blade]

just reignited ptsd of rupture snapshotting

never again pls

[void hound]

intermittent rewards are very powerful
wow is literally built around this

[vestal escarp]

just do 1000 pulls per fight and pick the best

[sly shore]

why is it always this fucking class

that has the degen shit that no one else has to do

[wise pilot]

why we cast backstab instead of shadowstrike ? its for useen blade ?

[sly shore]

just to plya the baseline spec...

[tepid trellis]

DM stack

[vale pine]

not bad, what does luck do?

[tepid trellis]

you consume premeditation with Backstab

[dim trail]

idk

[tepid trellis]

in dance

[tepid trellis]

ong

if i wanted procs

id play enhance

[tribal blade]

someone in my guild was making fun of me playing sub recently saying "you're just spamming FoK>black powder"

[dim trail]

it doesnt show on mi enhancments

[vale pine]

because we find the degen shit, i am fairly certain each class or spec has some amount of it

[wise pilot]

but shadowstike also stack dm right ?

[tepid trellis]

yeh

each unique ability gives one

[tribal blade]

imagine if they buffed DM back to 10%

[vale pine]

image if they buffed secret technique back, it has been nerfed serveral times now

[wise pilot]

so cast backstab or shadowstick is the same thing

[sly shore]

I love my piano opener of off-gcd buttons!

[tepid trellis]

you only backstab once

[tribal blade]

haha yeah they keep nerfing sectec but putting it's power back into the tier set

[tepid trellis]

you still strike

later in the dance

[wise pilot]

and off cds

[vestal escarp]

when i called this out i was called a sin player

[wise pilot]

i press shadow dance backstab into secret tech

with symbols

[vale pine]

you backstab the first builder in dance, can ofc be secret before backstab too in this sequence

[dim trail]

i tried the backstab macro

[tribal blade]

i have yet to remember to start backstabbing in dance

[dim trail]

with dance

and didnt work

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

[tepid trellis]

press it twice

[sly shore]

/cast Backstab```

[tribal blade]

you don't need a macro, can just manually press dance then a seperate backstab bind

[sly shore]

[sly shore]

me too

maybe I start hitting dummies

doing faster opener without vanish and shit

[wise pilot]

okay, I get it, in fact the backstab is used for the rest of the dance for all the eviserate we're going to cast after our secret tech, but it doesn't affect our secret tech.

[tribal blade]

i trained out that muscle memory after DF haha

[sly shore]

same

[vale pine]

only once, you only press backstab once every dance

[wise pilot]

okay

[tribal blade]

it has to be during premed

[tepid trellis]

imma go play lost ark, until raid, where HoC is gonna drop and it wont go to me

[wise pilot]

and the cast before secrect tech or after it changes nothing we agree

[vale pine]

not all your damage is in secret, it is why its worth to use

[tribal blade]

well i guess it doesn't matter during blades

[vale pine]

yes, you can start dance with full cp or low ones

and will adjust

either finish-build

or build-finish

build in both will be backstab

[wise pilot]

okay thx

[tidal nacelle]

is there any weakaura to track the winning streak set stacks? Tellmewhen addon is dead and i don't know how to do weakauras

[abstract dock]

is it worth timing dance and secret technique for when cold blood comes off cd after opener?

[daring raptor]

https://wago.io/wz8idaNiO

[daring raptor]

normally you use cold blood on second sec tech on the opener

[abstract dock]

yeah I'm talking about after opener since cb is only 45s cd

[daring raptor]

it will always be timed.
You have on sectech on opener. one at 50 sec ish, and one in the next flax window

rinse repeat

[paper iron]

U can use cb only if u ré sûre it s gonna be ready for your next set of cd

Otherwise

It s better to skip it

[daring raptor]

i just use a macro for it, then another keybind for sectech alone.

[hollow spear]

odds are that using it in between will decrease your dps on average

[lilac stag]

Ask you should be. As should KPB. Opener is relatively nothing these days.

[hazy breach]

Any 💎 enjoyers in the chat

[lilac stag]

too busy playing cards.

I was finally able to send upgrades. 654 now

[clever delta]

What

[vale pine]

he asks if anyone's vault was bad enough to make socket the choice

my one could be, the only good track is the delve one

[hollow spear]

nothing to catalyze even?

[vale pine]

and i am not sure if i want to get energy drink from it, i already have in normal

i got tier hands from heroic alternatively

rest is meh wrong stats or bad trinkets

[clever delta]

I see

[vale pine]

so decision will be between:

• socket
• heroic drink
• tier hands
  depending on raid and delve map drop

no house of cards sadly

[hollow spear]

socket and save for later maybe

[vestal escarp]

oh no LA BOMBA

[vale pine]

lol

[vestal escarp]

[vale pine]

blastermaster 3000

the naming

[void hound]

its a bomb dispenser

[hollow spear]

Noggenfogger Ultimate Deluxe sounds promising

[clever delta]

I got this but someone said that trinket no good for us so I took rare back

[hollow spear]

based on the name I'd expect a juicy dps increase

[vale pine]

kezan is quite good

especially for mythic raiding

longer fights make it strong

[hollow spear]

kezan is giga for mythic raiding no

[clever delta]

Btw

[vale pine]

and you might or might not

can use detection to get stacks of eye of kezan

🙈

[clever delta]

Do you know why kezan start sinming very good and goon trinket very bad ?

[vale pine]

@sly shore read my last 3 messages, considering "why always"

[civic forge]

@vale pine is there a way to fit 2x sec tech in the first dance long dance reliably? or is it just rng?

[vale pine]

a bit rng

[civic forge]

ah kk didn't know if was doing something wrong

[clever delta]

Are you sain we can bug out trinket in some way

[vale pine]

its not a bug, it functions as the trinket says

detection is indeed a spell or ability

[clever delta]

What kind of detection tho i don't get itn

[vale pine]

(just to be clear, i dont recommend the use of it, its just funny)

[clever delta]

I'm dumb

[vale pine]

you need to buy it from the dalaran sewer vendor

[clever delta]

Shees

[keen dome]

Normal HoC's, let's gooooo

[clever delta]

I think you are trolling me

[vale pine]

> WoWhead link - Detection item <

this one

[molten citrus]

nop, been a thing in raids in the past

unholy gems etc

[clever delta]

I see

[tribal blade]

i think i believe in fate

[clever delta]

Stacks don't drop with pull ?

[wild hornet]

Mm yes

[vale pine]

i don't have the trinket

[molten citrus]

it's while you're in combat already

during downtime

[sly shore]

it's always us bud

always

[molten citrus]

you spam detection

[vale pine]

so i can't test, but the trinket only stacks in combat to my knowlage

[wild hornet]

Last 3 dungeons i have 1b less dmg

[clever delta]

Oh that's nice

[sly shore]

ready to spam detection during rik intermission if I get eye of kezan

[clever delta]

And useless in same time

[vale pine]

i mean in good news, tier set does not seem to stack anymore from detection

[tribal blade]

should be, it resets upon dropping combat

[hollow spear]

By the way guys

[paper iron]

Not having detection in your spellbook

[clever delta]

Maybe I do

I don't knwo

[hollow spear]

WHY AM I SIMMING MORE NOW COMPARED TO YESTERDAY?????

[paper iron]

I spent hours waiting for the dude to spawn

[wild hornet]

Why not

[vale pine]

BECAUSE OF A SIMC UPDATE FOR A BUG

also please no caps

[paper iron]

U wrong fuu

[fringe geyser]

already crafted 675 dagger. what to pick

[molten citrus]

why are we yelling

[paper iron]

The robot just improved and play better

[vale pine]

wrong in what way

[hollow spear]

every way

[paper iron]

He trained hard last night

[vale pine]

yes absolutelty

[clever delta]

Damn fuu, may I have to yonk your dance stab macro, it was some time last time I used it

[paper iron]

Doing dummies

[vale pine]

its 100% not because of the re-introcudtion of the sht bug

🙈

[hollow spear]

wai what

[paper iron]

[vale pine]

not the one you think of

[clever delta]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vale pine]

the energy procs just twice during shadowcraft

[clever delta]

!dance

[tribal blade]

@vale pine you gain a buff "stacked the deck" that lasts 15 seconds upon leaving combat after using HoC

[clever delta]

!backstab

[tribal blade]

just tested it

[vale pine]

which is a bug that was fixed before

[clever delta]

Where is the macr9

Really mad

[paper iron]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[paper iron]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[paper iron]

[tribal blade]

so ideally in M+ you want to go into your next pull 6 seconds after dropping combat but no longer than 15 seconds

[paper iron]

Yea i pull for my tank thx to 1h tricks

[clever delta]

Nice

[paper iron]

And i shroud speed in needed

Just not to lose my deck

[clever delta]

Do we press dance backstab same gcd followed with sod so we don't waste rotten proc on bs?

[sly shore]

doesn't this do it in one press @vale pine

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0] Shadow Dance
/cast Backstab```

[clever delta]

Same already did this this morning

But what if you wanna dance wih5nout bs

[vale pine]

yes, but you would need 2 macros if you don't want to backstab first gcd

[clever delta]

Fuck it i will just put backstab on my stealth bar amd call it a day

Cba

[paper iron]

Need strike on a separate bind

[sly shore]

shadow dance bind poggers

which I have

[paper iron]

[tribal blade]

iirc it's kinda w/e

[clever delta]

My keyibind 5 is empty after snd left us anaywa

[paper iron]

5 is blades

Only correct keybind

[delicate slate]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

Guys I will check r1 log of sub rogue and I lf I see him not use bs in dance I will just follow him and use this argument rest of season [like i always do]

Gg

[paper iron]

Week1

Gg

[clever delta]

Dw it willnhappen even week 10

[tribal blade]

it's a relatively small minmax

[clever delta]

05 is lot

Tbh

[tribal blade]

i guess so yeah

[clever delta]

I know ppl who Hawk tuah for less

[paper iron]

Above 0.3 i consider it part of the rotation

Outlaw do every min max for a +15 dps

[clever delta]

Yeah it's what its better start with it now and get use to it

[smoky vault]

Fortunately enough, they do

[clever delta]

So it's eta

Sets

[paper iron]

If u play without rotten u can still sod before bs right?

[clever delta]

Who don't do it since today is Pure noob in my eyes

[civic forge]

do we bp to avoid coup before burst and rupture 10s before flag to build tier set stacks?

[clever delta]

I don't have macro but i press sod and dance at same global

[hollow spear]

wasnt it dps neutral if we only use it during flag?

[clever delta]

Yeah

[vale pine]

you can change it up but there is no diffrence, we had a recent discussion about it in #1065728795455266888

[paper iron]

We dont spam rupture anymore to keep on tier stacks ?

[full viper]

!craft

[clever delta]

So sod do not matter much ?

[molten citrus]

Don’t have to no

[full viper]

what stats do we craft?

[clever delta]

Vers mastery

[placid crown]

Hi guys, I think I need to understand some basic things

why that difference on secondary stats recommended between bloodmallet and wowhead ?

how to understand "bis items" recommended by wowhead

thank you

[jaunty heath]

Did you go through all this for nothing

[worn schooner]

Bis item lists are outdated, you should sim for best stats

[vale pine]

moment

[jaunty heath]

Don’t look at bis lists

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty heath]

Just sim as we go

My maghar racial is giving my vers idk where I got this much verse from

[clever delta]

Are you saying!fuu is outdated?

Can't be

[worthy escarp]

Do we go for 2 set pieces each or stick until 4-set ?

[lilac stag]

I mean Drink is really good option.