subtlety

[signal heath]

thank you my friend

[void ocean]

I have my own

[swift tinsel]

I'm hesitant to have auras not on my main bar but it's useful

[sly shore]

is it still modified atrocity

or did you make mal make stuff baseline

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[sly shore]

obv icons diff

[tepid trellis]

i move stuff around

change ordering, track a bit of extra that you dont really need

im just weird

and want to

[sly shore]

ye I know

my favourite part of the new tier set is playing badly

and losing it

[keen dome]

Wouldn't know what that feels like.

(because I don't have tier yet )

[tepid trellis]

i wish it was an actual gain to play around it in single target

would be nice

[swift tinsel]

Rockin the 0pc ayyy

[sly shore]

me too

I love getting 8 stacks then coup dropping it almost 100% of the time

[swift tinsel]

I think we had one zenith token drop from all normal

[hazy breach]

Unfortunately tier sets have to be stinky now, just like trinkets and embellishments

[keen dome]

Coup is the villain this season

[hazy breach]

Idk fairly sure the coup thing is fixed

[keen dome]

The same as last season. But for different reasons.

Oh, that's good.

[sly shore]

why it's not one big hit I don't know

[keen dome]

They fear the big crit 😦

[sly shore]

big hit more funner

[swift tinsel]

splitting sub damage is thematic

[void ocean]

its our jutsu

[old kayak]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[old kayak]

!symbols

[keen dome]

I dream of the big crit on SecTec / Coup. One big massive ginormous hit

[old kayak]

!symbol

[sly shore]

!sod

[molten citrus]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[void ocean]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[hazy breach]

Like i spent 20 minutes on the dummy and didnt have any of the secondary hits drop my stacks once. So im guessing its fixed

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[sly shore]

[molten citrus]

-_-

[swift tinsel]

But if its one big hit how will Akaari bug out

[void ocean]

this was Akaari sod macro

[sly shore]

if you fuck up

and don't have dance ready between dances in cds

[shell bramble]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[signal heath]

so for the first sectech in the opener, since we only get unseen blade stacks from shadowstrike (and snd if its up)... the first opener sectech we will never have coup up yet correct? so it really only beomes a thing later in the fight and if you so happen to have coup up when your planning on sectech your just coup instead and then sectech

[tepid trellis]

i somehow managed to keep 8 stacks for 3½ min straight yesterday

was glorious

[sly shore]

it's a 100% chance to drop it for sure

[molten citrus]

eleem is saying its fixed

[hazy breach]

Sectech stuff is not though

[sly shore]

what is the timing

where you can fit a dance in before cd's

it's like 40s isn't it

[swift tinsel]

give or take, can be closer to 30 with skyfury

and a bit of rng

[sly shore]

have to have 1.5 stacks I guess

well

you're not getting 2 dances in cd's if you drop to no stacks

this spec is now cringe

quote me on that

[swift tinsel]

-KPB (MLG Pwankster)

[haughty mural]

just procced my mechano-core amplifier with mastery plus radiance in my burst window

that was my gamba luck for this tier

[swift tinsel]

ethical

[sly shore]

I love the 2 dances between opener and 2nd cd's

then 1 dance between rest of cd's for the rest of time gameplay loop

also don't press one cd wrong else ur cd's are fucked

[proven plover]

but u can send naked sectec after 2nd cds!

big fun

[bright elk]

what conditions do we do a naked sectec, if we're close to cds and dont have enough dances if we use one?

[proven plover]

if its up and u hold dance for flag window

[silent umbra]

but rejoice.. shadowdust no more..

[proven plover]

and it will be up for it

[haughty mural]

but we got rid of RS bug

[swift tinsel]

you can send after your 2nd flag if you know it won't scuff your 2min30 send

[haughty mural]

take the small wins

[swift tinsel]

or if flag cd >=20

[haughty mural]

deepening will get buffed in midnight

[sly shore]

then removed in the last titan

we eating good in 4 years

😋

[sly shore]

but at what cost

[proven plover]

I remember last time I spoke to some guildies about current problems

[swift tinsel]

flat cd dance

[hollow spear]

M+ in absolute shambles. Not a single bracer that would be an upgrade over your crafted 636s 😮

[proven plover]

they told me "but you just got a rework"

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[haughty mural]

i didnt even remember the name of the 3rd exp

[swift tinsel]

"Rework" we're still in the oven

they never finished cooking

they turned it off on us

[hollow spear]

I am feeling a tad raw tbh

[woeful ginkgo]

Any1 know how bad it would be to macro symbols of Death With shadowdance, and shadowblades with ST? Considering the CD sequence is allways dance->symbols->shadow blades->ST. I mean, as long as you track the CDs, it should be fine? Outside of flag and blades, you still symbol Dance to i assume, so that wont mess ut the rotation, or am i missing something?

[swift tinsel]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[sly shore]

!MACRO

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[haughty mural]

triple sectech opener though

[oak grotto]

Do you craft with mastery vers?

[proven plover]

I like having a spec where u can actually use vanish as utility for once

even tho thematically it does feel weird, that sub of all specs is in that position

[final holly]

tbf vanish is up so often in outlaw you can mostly get away with using it for utility at a fairly small loss

[quiet smelt]

whats the best option for simming m+ scenario on raidbots

[tepid trellis]

dslice

[quiet smelt]

ty sir

[haughty mural]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell delta]

Do we play around Coup? Or we just send it like it was evisc?

[haughty mural]

Mechano-Core Amplifier sims actually within margin of error in slice - got pretty lucky i guess

since I'm not gonna see myth Eye of Kezzan so soon

[hoary lotus]

Eye got nerfed

[hazy breach]

Its still gonna be the best on longer fights

[haughty mural]

that for sure

[grave delta]

think it took like almost 4 mins to get to 20 stacks on OAB

[swift tinsel]

usually does

[haughty mural]

you can also just proc ur lowest stat on amplifier in windows

[tranquil garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[twilit phoenix]

do the theater troup + awakening machine quests still give keys?

for delves I mean

[swift tinsel]

yeah

Pinnacle caches still give keys

[twilit phoenix]

[magic ruin]

What is the approx dps gain from backstabbing in dance?

[twilit phoenix]

0.6%

[tranquil garden]

amazing, seaforium is within margin of error with eye of kevin

that's pretty nice

[twilit phoenix]

yeah the trinket balance is great across the board for the passive slot

idek if it's balance, I think they're just all ass

[tranquil garden]

thank god, because I ain't getting a good eye of kevin anytime soon

[swift tinsel]

gotta hope for Zee's

Imma get a normal one and full 4set tomorrow from our reclear

[twilit phoenix]

4 set this week surely

is our next cata charge this upcoming week, or the week after?

[honest dome]

So this is now optimal. Also showing in BiS sim. But when i sim my char is doing the "old" one without using backstab. Is there any reason for it? Any stat breakpoint or smh? :x

[swift tinsel]

gonna get 1 from raid, get ksm for 2nd charge and one from vault

[swift tinsel]

BS tech isn't in the base APL afaik

[honest dome]

ah

[south sedge]

anyone know how to make tfd stack during combat? did it a few times when i meld then went back into combat it still counted as me staying out of combat for tfd time

[molten citrus]

stat breakpoints don't really exist anymore

except peculiar shit like outlaw haste

[honest dome]

ye was just wondering what could cause that

but not having it in the APL yet makes more sense

[tranquil garden]

seaforium seems like the easiest to get mythic, thanks to being a dungeon drop

[sly shore]

that trinket goes crazy on long fights

you sim 7m vs 5m

it's +40k dps

[sly shore]

tfd bugged and that can happen

with vanish too

used to happen rarely

but now it happens all the time

[tranquil garden]

does it really matter how kevin's eye is better on longer fights though, it drops from the last boss of a given difficulty, by the time you have it you've got the fight won

[sick plank]

are combo points supercharged for the duration of symbols of death? 10 seconds seems like way too long, unless i'm misunderstanding how it works

the WA package I'm using (Luxthos) only shows enough supercharged combo points for about 2 finishers typically which are over way before 10 seconds are up

[sly shore]

hear me out

it drops in heroic

and you can use it for mythic

[tepid trellis]

permanent

[tranquil garden]

yeah but you can get seaforium at mythic level

[tepid trellis]

it supercharges 2 finishers

then its gone

[sly shore]

and eye of kezan absolute shits on seaforium

[quiet smelt]

do you only use storm to generate with 7+ targs ? or do you still do it with 3+

[sly shore]

the fights are long in mythic atm

[sick plank]

yeah so why is 10 seconds the recommendation there? are you just spamming non-finishers until sectec is back up?

[swift tinsel]

only used to generate outside of dance at 2+ targets

you use inside dance once as 2nd builder to spread find weakness for BP

but still only strike as main builder in dance

[quiet smelt]

thanks bro huge help

[tepid trellis]

1 supercharged finisher at 7 cp gives you enough cdr to sectech the 2nd supercharged

[haughty mural]

ye no question that eye of kezan should be really ahead in long mythic fights

[vocal lantern]

eye of kezan 🐐

[sick plank]

i probably need to look at a log showing me this and compare to mine to see what i'm doing wrong, thanks for the help

it's not clicking for some reason

[haughty mural]

otherwise there is a bit flexibility on the second trinket slot (eg for keys)

[swift tinsel]

Keys rhymes with Zees, you know what to do

[haughty mural]

you are right buddy

based and true

[tranquil garden]

yeah it's more ahead than I thought on 9 minutes. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rsb2WDB4TXCrv82eMXeLz6

[solemn creek]

The 10 sec is not because of supercharged timer (it has none) its 10 sec left on secret technique. Because when u use evi with symbol it gives 10 sec cdr to secret technique. And u want to send secret technique with 10 combo. Otherwise u will either lose supercharged s.t. or lose dance time. Both are really bad. Its also why u want a sd and a sod on separate keybind

** all this is assuming u send at max cp during sod of course

[tranquil garden]

okay wait the gear on that sim got weird

[hazy breach]

Id recommend just not using gear compare

Add the items into top gear instead

[serene moat]

Using secret tech outside of our cooldowns, since you are supposed to always pair it with a symbols, I am starting to get secret tech with cooldown reduction on finishers back faster that my symbols, should I delay my secret tech casts more?

[spice saffron]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[vale pine]

#tc-research has files you can copy/paste to top gear (pinned) which allow for fast comparison of items

[tranquil garden]

fixing the wonky other gear aside, result is practically identical. heroic eye ahead of mythic seaforium by about 1% on a 9 minute fight. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gHgMVLbRhsBeTkZkZJJ1n1

[elder crow]

Someone has suti rotation?! Ty!

[proven plover]

Suti?

[fallen fable]

why do we play tea macro if we dont play it on ST // AOE talents ?

[sick plank]

10 combo = 3 supercharged right? i feel like i only really see 2 supercharged more often than not, 3 pretty rarely

is there a way to guarantee you get 3 every time?

[hazy breach]

What

Every single supercharger is +3

You get 2 of them per symbols cast

[autumn glade]

You're not understanding what supercharged points are, reread the talents

[sick plank]

i might be getting confused by the weak auras? luxthos combo points sometimes shows as many as 4 blue (supercharged?) combo points

idk

i'll reread through it all

[proven plover]

Supercharge = the finisher u cast acts as if u had 3 cps more

And that happens twice each sod

[hazy breach]

Yes, if you use two symbols in a row you would get 4 supercharged

Since 2+2 = 4

[autumn glade]

You consume 1 supercharged(blue in your WA) combo point that adds 3CP to the finisher

You symbols 10s left on SecTec cd cause you consume 1 supercharged CP on evis and then you still have one for SecTec right after

[void hound]

@hazy breach do you have any thoughts on using evis on 5 cp when its the last global in dance? as opposed to striking again

[hazy breach]

Not worth in sims

[void hound]

neutral or loss?

[hazy breach]

Loss

[void hound]

thanks elmo

[tepid trellis]

here i just pressed SoD you can see it marked 2 combo points with blue now my next 2 finishers in a row will act like they consumed 3 more cps than normal

then i consumed Coup and its down to 1 blue

and then i sectech'd and now i have none left, So in this case Coup de Grace and Sectech got supercharged

[willow pawn]

We don’t evis with 5+?

[tepid trellis]

6+

[willow pawn]

What about ruptures

[tepid trellis]

same

[willow pawn]

If we have coup up and we are about to go into a dance/symbols, do we send coup first?

[leaden prairie]

question, if im going into a dance and have coup ready, what do i do, do i coup then sec tech, or the other way around, does coup sill gives multiple stacks of dm, + if i coup into sec tech i feel like i can fuck up my second sec tech timing if its in a big cd window

wait

why are you asking my question

[willow pawn]

Looks like you were asking mine

[leaden prairie]

No

[willow pawn]

Or I would have been on the bottom

[leaden prairie]

I was thinking about it first

[willow pawn]

And you on top

[leaden prairie]

Litteraly

[willow pawn]

😂

[haughty mural]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[hazy breach]

If no fazed up then sectech

And during flag sectech first

Outside of those scenarios it doesnt really matter, either first is fine

[leaden prairie]

wanht about

[tepid trellis]

it doesent

it used to

[leaden prairie]

ok

[tepid trellis]

early ptr

[hazy breach]

Early beta

[tepid trellis]

beta yeh

[willow pawn]

There’s also no reason to pre key SoD right

[haughty mural]

ou can just send sectech first always, just to be sure or ?

[willow pawn]

That’s only for raid ST

[tepid trellis]

yeh u can

[proven plover]

But the coup hits individually can trigger shadowcraft right?

[tepid trellis]

yeh they can

and its fcking annoying

[proven plover]

Its so annoying

[leaden prairie]

I hate it

[haughty mural]

agreed

[twilit phoenix]

Can your flurry hit the ads on mugzee if you don’t get in?

[haughty mural]

but RS was worse

so

[lucid swallow]

everytime you start shadow dance, are you supposed to use shuriken storm as 2nd builder for Danse Macabre? even for ST

[leaden prairie]

I feel like the rupture talent bug is still here

And it makes me hate myself everytime I press strike and coup procced shadow craft

I feel like a noob

I know I'm not !

[sinful marten]

is it worth doing lfr for tier set

to replace old 4 set

[tepid trellis]

from what i could tell, no you cannot

Assa can spatter tho

no idea why that works

and flurry doesent

[void hound]

nope

[haughty mural]

lfr this tier has > ilvl then mythic last tier - so should be worth

[void hound]

you are LOSd or something

[sick plank]

i see what my misunderstanding was now about what each blue represented

thank you for clarifying

[tepid trellis]

np

[white briar]

spatter from target, flurry from you maybe?

would make sense that enemies don't LoS each other because unnecessary checks with huge overheads

[honest dome]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[sly shore]

boss is tall so the debuff can see over the walls as an autonomous debuff

bigger boss bigger debuff

[tepid trellis]

[sly shore]

the worst part is that actually makes sense and I'm lying

[tepid trellis]

i just need to jump and press evis

got it

[sly shore]

no because you are too small

[tepid trellis]

im orc

im big

[sly shore]

no too small

[keen dome]

tauren rogue only tech

[fallen fable]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[inland hedge]

On the spreadsheet, is the "two + four set" basically just meaning the full four set?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[inland hedge]

Thanks - so dropping 1% breaking the old four set for 2 + 2 isn't too bad really

[wild hornet]

On bosses with add spawns (like bandit) do you generally hold cds till the adds spawn? I tend to mostly st the boss and not focus on pad

[valid vault]

is it normal that if i unequip circlet, pop a vers flask and then equip it again it boosts my vers permanently?

and no vers flask equip for mastery

[proven plover]

Depends on ilvl, just sim it to be sure

2p 2p is really not great

[limber relic]

You guys got tier?!

[inland hedge]

Fair enough, thanks 🙂 Just doubt I'll get 4-piece next week. KSM and catalyst, plus maybe a vault piece, but doubt I'll get lucky from raid

Nah just planning ahead @limber relic

[limber relic]

Ehh you never know. I believe we get another lfr wing so thats more chances

Im in the same boat though....just need 1 from vault and raid and set

[inland hedge]

....I somehow did not even realise LFR wing 1 was open. Guess I'm doing that tonight!

[scenic crystal]

do we use ilvl > old 4 Set?

[limber relic]

Definitely hit up lfr then. Both bosses have a tier piece

[tepid trellis]

4set and 655.4 equipped, so yeh

[tepid trellis]

old 4set is gonna be better until you get new 4set

[chilly falcon]

do u know any channel posting pov high keys as subt?

[leaden prairie]

noob

not even 660 yet

[tepid trellis]

casualaddict i think

[leaden prairie]

no one doing high keys rn

[chilly falcon]

;-;

[limber relic]

Me sitting here with my hero track S1 4 set and skardyn's still lol

Dont look at my equipped ilvl

651 in bags though!

[tepid trellis]

got nothing to get from m+ now, so now im playing lost ark until raid tmrw

[wheat sentinel]

Am I missing something, or is using vanish offensively kinda weak for sub now?

[alpine wraith]

yea not super strong

[wheat sentinel]

you'd think of all the specs sub would be the one with a vanish interaction >.>

[round latch]

Chocolate-Halvas with almonds,cold milk

[blazing plume]

what's the rogue season 1 tier set value in terms of ilvl? Cuz my rogue used to be my alt, so half the tier pieces are like 606/610 ilvl and i'm getting much higher ilvl drops now obviously :(

[keen parcel]

Even if said old 4set is ilvl 597? x)

[blazing plume]

ahhhh

someone's asking this exact question ty

[tepid trellis]

thats a sim question

[keen parcel]

Gotcha

[paper iron]

multi dm stacks coup

[hazy breach]

Sorry best i can do is more backstab crit damage

No burst allowed

[paper iron]

i remember a time where the sub dmg profile was

lemme paint

now it goes

[sly shore]

No better milk than Hokkaido milk though

[paper iron]

better

i know my paint skills are beyond believable

[hazy breach]

We went from waves in the sea to cock and balls

Very cool

[paper iron]

Sending big dick, as asmongold would say

[molten citrus]

My burst is much bigger than yours

[paper iron]

blades used to be the worst 3mn cd in the game by far

remember that

+1 cp generated

[spark tusk]

lewd censor this nephew

[round latch]

im feeling like i took adrenaline

halvas is dope

[paper iron]

it s lewd only if you have a lewd brain. All i gotta say

to me it s rollercoster

[molten citrus]

It’s just au naturel

[sly shore]

I am a halvas enjoyer

[leaden prairie]

nice cock

[paper iron]

ty

dont forget zac

this is the true way now

[vale pine]

0 pieces so far

[proven plover]

well u have (2) in form of cata charges

lets be honest 2k score is absolutely free

[keen steppe]

Nimble is insane

[alpine wraith]

yea we have 2 charges and a dream

next week also 2 charges and a dream

[round latch]

as in raid pieces?Coz u get do delves and catalyze

ild wait for the vault before catalyzing though

[graceful rock]

My officers like me I guess at I got 4 tokens from raid this week

Well 3 and then I used a charge

[weary crag]

any1 on eu wanna craft me a 636 dagger?

[spark tusk]

A) Crafting isn't cross server B) this isn't trade chat

[weary crag]

I get it

my bad

[molten citrus]

[fallow glade]

i was actually thinking about this yesterday, the last time i played sub it was that flat line, and now im back to it with this cock n balls mountain damage profile

[worldly violet]

My rogue hits well in ST, but in AOE it doesn't hit much, any advice?

is it normal that almost all classes beat me in aoe?

[molten citrus]

def not normal

[smoky vault]

Dance+bs, Symbol, SecTec for every pack + shuriken spam evis should already put you on good baseline AoE for every pack

[hushed agate]

do we always want the extra dance macabre stack when entering shadow dance ? would a macro like /cast shadow dance /cast backstab be fine ?

[smoky vault]

Depending on your ilvl, just doing this make me on par with DPS +10 ilvl so ...

[acoustic lodge]

im pretty sure you only use SS on + 7 targets

[smoky vault]

No

[molten citrus]

you only cast Storm once during Dance on 7+ to spread FW

[worldly violet]

Eviscerate is used on a maximum of 6 targets, right? is it necessary to save the coup de grace to use it with shadow Dance, even if it loses finishing procs? because i cast that as soon as it procs

[molten citrus]

outside of Dance you Storm on 3+

[smoky vault]

Outside of dance SS + evis from 3/4+ onward

Otherwise you wont have enough CP, test it

[vernal surge]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[molten citrus]

3+

[tepid trellis]

2

[molten citrus]

thats what i said at first

[swift tinsel]

everyone make a circle they're gonna fight

[round latch]

clash of information here

[molten citrus]

no fighting !

[round latch]

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878

[swift tinsel]

...but we made a circle

guess its a dance circle now

[molten citrus]

[smoky vault]

Not talking about this type of engage + big CD for big packs who gets me to 5/6 M DPS at 632... Can't imagine with guys that crafted their 675 + opti from previous mythic S1

[lucid swallow]

what is FW?

[molten citrus]

find weakness

[chilly falcon]

at 2k rio u get 2nd tier?

i mean a coin

[molten citrus]

you get a catalyst charge

[chilly falcon]

yeah awesome

[twilit phoenix]

If you don’t get in the soak on mugzee, can you still flurry the ads?

[chilly falcon]

2t2t is better than 4t 11.0?

[vale pine]

excluding catalyst

[tepid trellis]

no

[molten citrus]

maybe if high enough ilvl but doubtful, would have to sim to be sure

[twilit phoenix]

rip, ty

[round latch]

Sus fuu is Sus

[twilit phoenix]

fuu on his misinformation arc

[round latch]

Its the Sub being elevating to god tier

[vale pine]

all i am saying is i didn't get a tier set piece in raid, why is that sus

[fleet acorn]

!rupture macro

[wicked jolt]

When to apply rupture:
Rupture is used on enemies that survive for ~12 seconds but not during Shadow Dance. You always apply Rupture to all targets that fulfill this condition if you optimize for dps. Replicating shadows spreads Rupture to the closest target to your character and makes correct positioning relevant.

[round latch]

coz u didnt specify anything,baiting us into stuffs

[swift tinsel]

shit that makes me sus too then

[round latch]

[swift tinsel]

but its fine I'm gonna get 4pc from our normal clear tomorrow

my luck's gonna turn around, you'll see

[round latch]

[paper iron]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[solemn creek]

Normal/heroic tier is the same. Change my mind

[swift tinsel]

different max ilvl

boom roasted

[solemn creek]

U will never hit max heroic lvl

That would be a waste of gilded

[swift tinsel]

bold of you to assume I run 10's

and if I did, you get gilded from them in the meantime

more than you'd get myth track gear

[solemn creek]

Ok. I guess if u dont do mythic raid

[swift tinsel]

Nope we only do like 4/8

and extendo lockout

so no reclear

[oblique delta]

If I find myself without fazed target and coup up, what do I do?

[twilit phoenix]

i hope liquid wins

usa needs a morale boost rn

[alpine wraith]

if it is outside dance not much you can do but if you are about to dance sec tech first

[oblique delta]

I read here ppl suggested to coup before sec tech, but the guide says to use sec tech as your first spender in dance? Or is that strictly the opener

[swift tinsel]

you'd never have coup in the opener, but you should coup before sectech so you don't waste UB stacking (unless you don't have fazed up for coup)

[clever delta]

cant see rogue on lockstenstock

is that sandbagging or we simply not that good ST

[tepid trellis]

scroll down

[paper iron]

cant see melee on locksenstock

[tepid trellis]

you will see him around the mages

big pump

[clever delta]

atleast we are mandatory buff right

right

[crystal spear]

any sub talent changes in season 2?

[swift tinsel]

talenting replicating shadows and imp shuriken storm in pretty much all scenarios now

[vale pine]

you can change rotten to finality but there is very little talent diversity

which is not a bad thing, the talent setup we have is very versatile

[crystal spear]

oh, so overall, pretty simmilar to season 1?

[proven plover]

Isnt it funny, that mop talent System essentially had more room for options, than the talent tree ressurection

[full viper]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[crystal spear]

weren't there plenty of builds last season for sub and sin

[alpine wraith]

blizz decided no

[swift tinsel]

sin has infinite builds, we have like 2

[crystal spear]

I remember atleast 3 viable builds for sin

[alpine wraith]

at most you change from rotten to finality

in st

it is funny how a builder talent helps more for aoe

than the one that buffs bp and evis

[crystal spear]

I want old death from above back

so much cooler than secret tech

does almost the same thing anyways

[acoustic lodge]

Tbh, I prefer one build of too many

[tulip trail]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[meager gate]

Yo if I'm at like 90% mastery, so just before DR.
When I proc mastery buffs like 'flagelation' (could go to 165% for example) - do I get DR stats on the mastery above 90%?

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[silent ruin]

press secret technique

[alpine wraith]

no flag does not dr

because it is a % increase

[oblique delta]

How long should I hold sec tech in dance while waiting for coup? Feels like the potential cdr is wasted

[swift tinsel]

you don't hold it for coup, you just send coup before sectech if its up

[oblique delta]

👌🏼

[alpine wraith]

yea you send sec tech in dance first finisher

[obtuse shard]

any tech for sub in mugzee if you have to go jail?

[molten citrus]

no, and drs barely matter

[meager gate]

what you send even more mastery haha

[alpine wraith]

they matter but you wont interact with them in any meaning

just sim and it will pick the best combination

[meager gate]

stat weight sims are iffy though

[hazy breach]

Yes thats why you just sim your items

If you have 2 necks, just sim them and pick the one that sim the highest

[alpine wraith]

yea use top gear

[meager gate]

Yeah fair wondered what was happening with the mastery in the background ty

[alpine wraith]

if you want to sim items you dont have fuu posted the strings for all items in #tc-research

[shy scarab]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[shy scarab]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[brisk raptor]

Is it ever worth using ST outside of dance/symbols?

[alpine wraith]

very rarely

[brisk raptor]

Sometimes I feel like I have it up for a while in between dances

[alpine wraith]

basically if you have to ask better dont

you have to eyeball cdr

[meager gate]

Will send one more question then as I can't seem to find the answer on rotation pages.
In 'down time' how many ruptures should we maintain?

1. for 7 or more enemies
2. under 7

[brisk raptor]

So it can be normal to have it off cd for 20 seconds or so?

[alpine wraith]

yea risking it if you are not 100% sure you will have it when it matters is not worth

[brisk raptor]

Cool. Thanks!

[swift tinsel]

right after 2nd flag always feels weird bc I can reliably send sectech and have it for the 2min30 set but I feel like I can send a SoD with that sectech too and not have too many downstream issues

[keen dome]

I'm unstoppably fast.

[swift tinsel]

need to look into a bit more

[alpine wraith]

you have 1 free sod sometimes that you can use with sec tech

sometimes after cds

and every 2 sets of cds you get back 1 extra dance

[swift tinsel]

ah, maybe that's it. because I play the usual 2 cd set between 1st and 2nd flag

and then after 2nd flag I can sod+sectech ~1min50 and all three at 2min30

[brisk raptor]

@alpine wraith after your 2 dances during flag/sblades do you wait to send your next two or does it really even matter when you send them? I guess the 2nd dance between CDs you wait for CB to be back up?

[meager gate]

Would you not cast Shadowstrike once you enter dance? If not why you send Backstab? 😮

[swift tinsel]

Danse macabre w/ premed

[thorny rivet]

Push the button because it’s a button id say

[alpine wraith]

playing around the mid cb is not a huge win so just depend

[vale pine]

backstab is a small optimization

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[vale pine]

the entire idea about this macro is to not require a extra button

when attempting the backstab optimization

[meager gate]

To proc weakness is all I can think of?

[paper iron]

to get one more dance macabre stack rolling

[grave delta]

Anyone got a reminder to symbols after wipe/start of key etc

a reminder weakaura#

[swift tinsel]

yeah one sec

https://wago.io/1N-_8fnRf

[safe saddle]

guys, is there some kind of break point @ ~6% haste for sub? or is it just coincidence the people i look up have around that %?

[swift tinsel]

its only set up for raid atm so you'd have to add conditions for m+

[molten citrus]

No

[honest dome]

its the least amount you have with set pieces/transmitter

[safe saddle]

gotcha ty

[grave delta]

ty

[graceful rock]

I have 10k haste atm : ) played assa last patch

[full acorn]

Ive read the wowhead guide and it says i cant use the CB+SecTec macro but if i have sectec bound seperate and a macro with CB+Sectect there is no problem right?

[swift tinsel]

that's fine

as long as you're using the CB one on the 2nd in blades

[full acorn]

yep

thats what i thought ty

[uneven widget]

as sub can we break tier set and go 2/2 or we keep 4p until we get the new 4p

[spark tusk]

I could stop you (to wish you have a nice day)

[keen dome]

I hope you have a nice day too, LE.

[bright elk]

I believe we only swap old 4p for the new 4p

not sure if ilvl difference makes it worth going 2/2

[tardy matrix]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[sour forum]

so ive been playing rogue for a few years now and i just realised

is eviscerate physical?

so our tier set works only on shadow finishers? or am i smoking

[hollow snow]

Both

[hazy breach]

Read shadowed finishers, our talent

But yes evis is only physical baseline

[sour forum]

😐

had a guildie ask me just now was pretty stunned

[shy scarab]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[random hare]

@vale pine gear grinder is good? its simming less than pacemaker for me on st

on end game gear

im abit confused am i doing something wrong

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEVrgW2473FkcXxih6TMJ6

@tepid trellis

[serene notch]

So back to adding a BS for DM stacks?

[vale pine]

keys are good ye

[random hare]

ye but look at the sim

why am i getting it as a loss?

[vale pine]

because of item slot possible

[random hare]

wait bloodmallet says it doesnt sim well at low lilvl

[vale pine]

the top is a win

[random hare]

need to upgrade it

or?

[vale pine]

you can just use top gear

and sim from there

you can add items per name at the top of top gear

^

[random hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/foNhG4U1zQpMfFf1JuQYfG

is this correct

or

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

pacemaker is bugged with some item combos

[random hare]

it it oversimming

or?

[vale pine]

interessting

[random hare]

cuz i wanna know if i should give it to someone else

in my raid

@vale pine any thoughts

[alpine wraith]

keep in mind you would need to send gilded crests

vs just

having the dungeon item

[cursive island]

Yo guys, new to sub. Can i macro SD with Symbole of D ? Or is this worthless.

[swift tinsel]

@cursive island

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[vale pine]

not sure, i don't have the trinket so i can't test

[random hare]

okay

[void ocean]

anyone knows anything about Tempered Potion and WA, it seems that item cooldown is not working anymore

[swift tinsel]

are you using the item id?

or name

[void ocean]

name

[swift tinsel]

try with item ID instead

212263,212264,212265 should be all 3 ranks

[full viper]

how do we play around coup the grace? or just ignore / send in every situation?

[molten citrus]

shadow blades

[random hare]

@vale pine how bad is it to skip rupture or eviscerate on opener

i want to skip it on mugzee because of add spawn

and insta cd

[swift tinsel]

Evisc is neutral dps to skip

[random hare]

he kinda spawns like 20 sec into the fight

[swift tinsel]

so you can just rupture and lose nothing

[random hare]

ok

ty

are u sure its neutral

i guess its to get snd early

so its kinda useless

right?

[swift tinsel]

yeah you lose a couple seconds of snd uptime but that's it

[spark patio]

so second cold blood goes with 4th ST?

[random hare]

ty

[serene notch]

You guys see where sub landed in early key “meta”

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/preliminary-war-within-season-2-mythic-dps-log-rankings/

[vale pine]

the updated opener skips vanish-strike-evis and is no diffrence

^ reference

[chilly falcon]

whats the best low cost potion and flash i can get?

[swift tinsel]

Cheapest tempered potion rank

and whatever is cheapest between alchemical chaos/mastery/vers flask

[chilly falcon]

what does tempered potion does?

[swift tinsel]

stats go up

wowhead has details

[sour forum]

so, we back stab instead of ss 1st dance gcd?

[vale pine]

yes

[sour forum]

might aswell macro it

[vale pine]

well first builder in dance, not first gcd

you can absolutely dance-finish-backstab

[swift tinsel]

even MORE danse

[chilly falcon]

to stack macabre?

[young path]

…lost for words

[sour forum]

ye

screw that im not getting a new bind for backstab i already have 2 for sec tec

macro it is

[swift tinsel]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[swift tinsel]

magic

[sour forum]

i used to do that when it was just 1 stack of SD

what if for some reason i dont press it a 2nd time

if i wanna dance again i backstab?

[swift tinsel]

good luck dancing in dance

[valid mason]

can someone explain what this is displaying from LEs WA pack?

[young path]

Like fine wine baby!

[warm marlin]

I think the issue with your other suggestion was that it would be something done to negate a nerf

sub has pressed backstab in dance for dance macabre in the past

it just stopped being optimal for a while

[grave delta]

having fun on hc mug'zee...

[jaunty heath]

The fine wine is thinking you are right with what you said king

But go on

[twilit phoenix]

what the fuck?

sim is telling me to break s1 2p and go 2p + 2p

real?

[paper iron]

Sims Never lies

U must have à shitty ilvl

Or

U dont Know how to Sim proprely

[leaden prairie]

show gear

[twilit phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dyFJTpvco9YF7y2mDRTmfw

i don't think I simmed it wrong

[round drum]

is it a big loss to macro trinket to flag instead of blades? I like the extra second to actually find the little minigame bs on transmitter

[torn storm]

transmitter to flag is good

[paper iron]

Macro trans to flag

House to blades

[alpine pollen]

do you get a free set item on 2500 m+ rating now?

[round drum]

🫡 ty

[paper iron]

2000

U get à catalyst charge

[grave delta]

forced to afk p1 to not push early

😭

[paper iron]

Oh U stopped dps also

[twilit phoenix]

lmao that's rough

[paper iron]

We did à 45s stop dps

[twilit phoenix]

were you just tabbed out gooning?

[paper iron]

Lmao

[grave delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233568833294303373/1341789511629275187/ezgif-1704c9a0fd6a33.gif

we are just having me and the bm hunter afk p1

[cursive island]

Do you guy's have some advice on a "confort timing" before your CDs to come up (Flagellation and blade) which you never press a shadow dance to be sure to have the 2 stacks for burst ?

or is it only experience who will tell me

idk if my question makes sense lol

[swift tinsel]

I typically stop sending sod/dance at 30sec left on flag cd and sectech at 20sec left on flag cd

but depends on how many sod/dance you have at the time

[alpine wraith]

69 nice

[twilit phoenix]

show balls next

[paper iron]

Raccoon is stacked

with this rogue genre colour gonna Win the rwf

Oh wait nvm rogue is benched

[tepid trellis]

[stiff raven]

Why is my sim saying that my hero skardyn's does more dmg than my hero Signet of the priory?(my highest secondary stat is mastery)

[twilit phoenix]

are you simming with a flask or something?

[alpine wraith]

it is a bug if you have pacemaker

[honest saddle]

2/2 is bad.

[alpine wraith]

also someone said it can also bug somehow else

but if mastery is your biggest stat priory should be better

[twilit phoenix]

that's what I'm thinking

must be sim bait I guess idk

wait for tomorrow I guess

[alpine wraith]

not really ilvl is big

so it can sim higher

[twilit phoenix]

kinda dumb how they made cata charges and sparks on the same week

was nice when they were alternating

[honest saddle]

also slightly aoe build for ST sim

[stiff raven]

okok ty guys :D

[twilit phoenix]

i really doubt that would change much

[honest saddle]

it just seems really low

[twilit phoenix]

well, no new 4p yet

patchwerk sim your rogue w/o it

[honest saddle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mkyqTMrRapkb1EDzWMbB13

[rocky wolf]

its just a cata charge now rather than a token

[honest saddle]

I havent sent any crests, im sitting on 4pc until vault. I could be 2.1-2.2mill if I sent everything

[jaunty heath]

Holy Huge Brick

One big ass raccoon

[young path]

🤣

[jaunty heath]

Crazy how confident one can be in something that’s not remotely true 💀

[hazy breach]

Nerfing an ability by 5% does not make buffing it by 6% better

It actually makes it worse

[young path]

Why we backstab now?

…

(lol)

[hazy breach]

Because of the new tier

Making finishers do more damage

[young path]

It’s okay…. It’s already been long established , I’m a scrub and have no idea what I’m talking about

[twilit phoenix]

100 x 0.95 = 95
95 x 1.06 = 100.7

[clever delta]

gaming

[twilit phoenix]

[alpine wraith]

damn big

[tepid trellis]

now imagine if sectech wasent nerfed, TO THE MOON

[alpine wraith]

or tier set

fuck baseline boosts

my fucken shadowstrikes critting for 1.4 mil

what is this

[tropic nimbus]

Need to get what ww burst is cookin rn

[paper iron]

yea i dont understand how ww can be so good in single target

pretty crazy

it was kinda under the radar because of the "oversimming" stuff

[twilit phoenix]

WW is based

can't wait for the seethe when they get nerfed

eat my ass nerds!

[plush roost]

There was talk about playing 1 point finality and dropping rotten with tier set, is that still a thing, or have we dropped it with nerfs?

[paper iron]

depends on what your sim tells you

[plush roost]

Yeah ig i could go sim it, just not at pc en

[spare quiver]

its worth to craft a dagger?

[plush roost]

Was on my mind haha

[alpine wraith]

it is only for st kinda

and it is not a big diff

[honest saddle]

Gahhhhh damn

imagine if we werent nerfed

the DAM

the sec tech sweet sweet hits of 40 mill

[ornate heron]

do we backstab first global in dance for extra macabre stack?

[fallen fable]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[twilit phoenix]

yes it's a micro optimization

like .5-.6%

[limber dirge]

!log

[tranquil garden]

backstab instead of shadowstrike as the first cast fucking rules because you can actually macro backstab to the cast unlike shadowstrike

[hazy hound]

can you really ensure to always have SoD for ST? I blow two SoD charges in opener, then one or two more outside cds aligned with ST, but then kinda have to send ST without SoD to ensure having two charges for cds, no?

[swift tinsel]

sometimes you sectech without sod

not too often

but it happens

[hazy hound]

mh, then Im doing something wrong, cause its pretty much every third sectech out of cds

[coarse rose]

does the sub sim assume you use a pre-pull symbols?

[shell delta]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[tepid trellis]

no

not unless you add it yourself

[coarse rose]

hmm, i just saw a sample iteration of fuu's sim

and after the first global there's two supercharged combo points as buffs

but maybe im misunderstanding whats going on

[tepid trellis]

he couldve added it

[swift tinsel]

yeah looks like he's got it in his sims but its not in the base

same with the backstab stuff, gotta add both yourself

[alpine wraith]

kinda

[coarse rose]

i see, thanks!

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[timid jolt]

hey dudes was gonna pick up some sub rogue, but just a casual andy, wondering how they fair in delves/open world stuff too.. dont always have the time for keys etc

[round drum]

perma tricks on brann makes delves easy

and you obliterate rares etc really fast

gonna take you some time to learn the spec though

[timid jolt]

time is okay, ive been on alts forever and rely looking for something to sink into and main for good or for a long time so i can actually progress

battling my adhd

[round drum]

first couple days will make you want to quit, make it through that and it's sick

[timid jolt]

i have a lvl70 dracthyr but sometimes good to start from scratch and get the muscle memory for binds n shit

but thanks to dark souls fashion is a must lol.. will have to see what i like more

[clever delta]

GUYS

on second mythic boss

you never send flag when they are stack right

[hard trellis]

sub is giga piss boring out of dance zz

[native zodiac]

@tepid trellis out of interested on rik what did you do with your cds timing, im doing like delaying by 10 secs, flag at 14sec to time the 2nd ST into the adds and then have the full burst for the 3rd set again?

[swift tinsel]

pretty sure none of the clashes line up with flag

[golden totem]

yea thats the point of the spec

[hard trellis]

cringe!

[golden totem]

👉 #outlaw

[alpine wraith]

yea best you can do is dance twice when they are together but

it is annoying to do

[swift tinsel]

timings from Lorrgs

[clever delta]

yeah it dosnt feel like happening

[broken swallow]

I am on an alt with a spark of fortunes but I can't use it on the crafting UI? anyone know how to fix? Nvm, I'm an idiot and need two sparks for 2 hander

[tepid trellis]

yeah

[slate beacon]

did you guys hear about the outage at the liquid facility?

[slate beacon]

pog rogue name btw

[clever delta]

ty

[plush pecan]

whats this wa/addon?

[clever delta]

its mrt note

you can copy some timings from loggrs

[alpine wraith]

you can use liquid reminders or the method one

[plush pecan]

nice

[clever delta]

i never used it before i did little to none research in this rtaid

[proven plover]

does anyone know why in cinderbrew meadery the oozes sometimes get big & fast VERY quickly after spawning?

we just had 1-2 get buffed like 2-3 sec after spawning

made no sense to me, is there any interaction that could do that?

[slate beacon]

they accumulate the honey on the ground and its like they get buffed

what i do, personally is i just kill em

[proven plover]

ye it was a +11

[slate beacon]

otherwise the. tank is kiting the boss around the room forever

yeah that wouldnt change my strat tho, i'd still kill em

[proven plover]

ofc we killed them but we couldnt kill them fast enough / didnt have enough cc

we just went through the vod, one ooze legit touched the honey for like 0.5 sec

and insta got big

I think its bugged

[haughty mural]

[slate beacon]

its not bugged its bees

[somber ether]

where can i find the tier set sim sheet?

[slate beacon]

on the internet

dude, im a question answering GOD

[somber ether]

...

[alpine wraith]

no idea about a general sheet but we have one for rogue

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[somber ether]

ty

[slate beacon]

ur welcome

now i have a question of my own. did you guys see the power went out in the liquid facility for rwf?

[alpine wraith]

yea crazy

[sharp kernel]

!symbols

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[slate beacon]

holy shit that macro is big wtf

i fat finger SOD all the MF time

[cunning turret]

Just started prog on HC bandit, wondering if it's worth it to not cast the rupture in the opener, which will line SB up better with the 2nd set of reel assistants by reducing a few gcds?

[keen sinew]

just got 4 set!

[slate beacon]

i only rupture if boss is also right there

POGGERS

[keen sinew]

anything i gotta do to play around it specifcally or no

[slate beacon]

but dont listen to me, my guild fucked some shit up and we all grey parsed so

[gusty scroll]

Hey guys, I came back pretty motivated with season 2 and started playing with Subtlety, which is a class I really like but the truth is I can't do much damage with it, I have a log in case someone understands more about this 😄

And I'm really sorry if I shouldn't put this here (I'll delete it in that case)

[blissful gale]

u guys still simming dungeon slice?

for m+

[gusty scroll]

!log

[alpine wraith]

yea

[twilit matrix]

!ticks

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[slate beacon]

what do you guys think is the over-under on an echo fanboy getting fresh on the liquid building for RWF?

[keen dome]

I don't think someone cut power to the entire city to get at them and that's a silly thought to have.

[slate beacon]

dcolon

i never said i think that, i asked for what other people thought about it

[leaden prairie]

when can i not step the boss on last boss

im scared

[slate beacon]

step on gallydubs places u in narnia, it's better just to tap sprint

i knew it was gonna be fucked up when some mage complained about blink not working, i bet warrior leap/charge is gonna be sussy af

it behaves as if it were coded as a multi-level structure 🤔

[honest saddle]

When I was in Blood Legion, we had me and our main healer living in the same city... and we got threats to burn our houses down from euro people

[slate beacon]

i fucken knew it

[honest saddle]

but I don't think they were serious, and I don't think anyone would take down an entire city of millions for race to world first

but its funny to think about

[slate beacon]

it's fine it's just santa monica honestly

[honest saddle]

HE HAS A POINT

ITS JUST SANTA MONICA

[slate beacon]

this. THIS is the kind of discussion i come here for. finally

[dry zodiac]

I was stepping him in heroic last night and it was fine. Dunno if they hotfixed or what but I had no issues(was testing after wipe was called)

[honest saddle]

did you step him after he got up and was moving around?

[dry zodiac]

I forget. But stepping while he was planted in center doing frontals etc was fine

Only had like 3 pulls

[leaden prairie]

idk i dont understand

i step him sometimes when i really need it

but i never end up on the boss

[honest saddle]

I dont think the issue is when he is in the middle

I think thats fine

it functions like any boss in a hole, like terros

I think when he starts moving around

[dry zodiac]

Ok. I thought i had heard both were buggy

[honest saddle]

it takes you back to the place you stepped, when he was in hole

[dry zodiac]

But middle at least seemed fine

[honest saddle]

regardless of where he is

[bleak night]

#gingiemp

[modest delta]

any prekey for sub?

[lilac stag]

Symbols

[young mural]

[slate beacon]

i knowwwww

[young mural]

echo is taking this RWF very seriously

[alpine wraith]

many dungeons you can put up a turnip and get cp

for snd

apart from sod

[slate beacon]

they def are not fucking around this time

[young mural]

they sent someone to sabotage the US's power grid for the win

crazy work

[honest saddle]

exorsus!

it was the RUSSIANS

collusion

collusion

collusion

[young mural]

@honest saddle just snapped

went insane

but situation actually sucks so much

[alpine wraith]

the worgen tech was too strong

made wolfs crazy and they bit the power lines

[tranquil garden]

maybe a dumb question, we backstab after cast of shadow dance for the 1st stack, backstab kinda sucks and it kinda sucks that it consumes rotten, any reason not to move the symbols cast after backstab instead so the rotten goes to 2x shadowstrike instead?

[young mural]

I wish liquid dominates all RWF during TWW

[honest saddle]

I want liquid to win but not looking great so far, brother.

[young mural]

agreed. echo is looking stronger for sure

[bleak night]

this was such an insane bit

the guy just making up how it works in the wowhead comments was so fucking funny

[keen dome]

lmao, what was this?

[bleak night]

liquid were pretending there was some bug with worgen prot war which was why scott was top damage on stix

in reality it was just ball damage

[slate beacon]

i like liquid the most personally, but i'd rather method wins as choice #1 and echo for choice #2 just to keep the race interesting. if liquid wins 3 times in a row like echo was doing its not going to be as fun to watch

just like it wouldnt be fun to watch the same team win 3 superbowls in a row

[keen dome]

lol, this actually owns

[frigid moat]

Is the consensus to craft dagger this week?

[bleak night]

and some dude in wowhead comments made up how worgen racial was making it do like 2-4x damage

[keen dome]

I had someone throw a wobbler at me about my damage being "below tank" on a Stix attempt earlier today lol

[bleak night]

like straight up lied lmao

[keen dome]

Stix is absolutely going to cause so many incredibly funny pug arguments with how details reports the garbage damage

[tranquil garden]

maybe the ffxiv bros had a point and dps meters are a mistake

[slate beacon]

prob >50% of details use is not damage reporting related

[tranquil garden]

the real details were the friends we made along the way

[shrewd lantern]

Details has not been trustworthy since aug got added to the game.

[azure mauve]

Act is the most downloaded ffxiv addon for a reason

[shrewd lantern]

And yes i realize aug got nerfed, not enough though.

[tranquil garden]

ffxiv has addons now? that's pretty cool

[keen dome]

Unofficial, no API, etc.

I like Details because I can see which person in my raid group didn't use a health potion and yet still died on a pull. This is the real use. To get knowledge on who I must send health potions with a frowny face emoji.

[tranquil garden]

one of the things I appreciate most about wow is the reasonably powerful api

[keen dome]

Same

All The Things is the most important addon in the game, after all.

[dry burrow]

Might be a dumb question, but I've heard this is the place to ask em. Nimble flurry, does the damage cleave off of the target we hit or is it proximity based from the user?

[lilac stag]

It’s around the player.

[clever delta]

second mythic boss is weird

[lilac stag]

Just like blade flurry

[dry burrow]

Bless you!

[clever delta]

tanks were finishing boss for like minute alone 😄

[dry burrow]

Also love you sapp miss you long time

[clever delta]

yo namirin

how you guys doing

[dry burrow]

Just finished heroic splits, killed gallywix, doing splits on 1st boss on mythic rn then chilling for the week

We're doign good, but in the last 15 bosses, 3 leather pieces has dropped, so I'm in jail crying

What about yourself, been a hot minute, hope you're doing alright, king!

[clever delta]

oh you guys going hardcore 😄

im on verge of playing and quting all the time:)

[dry burrow]

We're only doing mains + 1 set of alts, but it's quite a bit more work than just playing 1 char

[dry burrow]

Oh no, how so?

Just not enjoying the game?

[clever delta]

yeah i feel old and regreting leaving pgn aswell 😄

[silent ruin]

Can mug zee icicles be cloaked at time of detonation for melee uptime? Or need to play mechanic ?

[dry burrow]

I feel you there, it is very unfortunate. What about the new guild you joined, didn't work out?

[clever delta]

yeah i guees i dont enjoy raid in stress raid enviroment 😄

[dry burrow]

That's meta understandable, I don't love it either, but it's fine as along as I enjoy the game. Having fun with sub rogue though, haven't played it in a hot minute

But raid stress can kill the enjoyment for raiding as a whole

[clever delta]

sub si very cool now

[dry burrow]

Just keep your head high king!