subtlety

[open coral]

ur talking about circlet

[molten citrus]

Yeye

Kk

[open coral]

for me, it went back to 639 or w/e ilvl it is

[rough rivet]

are we allowed to ping fuu if we have a question regarding his sheet? was wondering if he used every combination of the "Miniature Roulette Wheel" or if that would sim better than the ToP ring if it rolls vers/mastery

[open coral]

some ppl got it back as 658

[hazy breach]

Try simming with another passive trinket

[molten citrus]

You mean the circlet?

[open coral]

y

[molten citrus]

You’re supposed to re level it

[hazy breach]

I think its that one that is bugged and gets counted as a "stat on-use" so the APL gets confused and delays the other trinket

[rough rivet]

i bought in on 658

[open coral]

i know, its suppose to come back at 658

but mine didnt

[twilit phoenix]

how come your evisc is #1?

[molten citrus]

You put it in both slots, take out gems, delete it. Go get a new one and re level it then get free upgrades on next rings up to 658

[twilit phoenix]

usually my flag is #1 damage

either flag or authority of radiant power

[molten citrus]

I hit training dummies for like 15 seconds or some shit to get Lens to proc for that example

[twilit phoenix]

[opaque valve]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[molten citrus]

@leaden prairie did the ring thing work for you after you releveled your circlet?

[leaden prairie]

yes

the circlet thing worked

[molten citrus]

PvP dummy too btw

[random comet]

Bait has to be edible mate come on

[twilit phoenix]

sorry

[leaden prairie]

took me like one hour to re level it up tho

[twilit phoenix]

I'll try again

[leaden prairie]

cause i got scamazed

[vale pine]

you can still cheese ring upgrades with circled

[bleak night]

ye

[leaden prairie]

i wish you could still do the thing with the weapons

[bleak night]

i didnt get scammed twice now

ez

[leaden prairie]

its such a pain when you multi spec

[molten citrus]

There ya go, just relevel the circlet and get free upgrades on next rings

[leaden prairie]

upgrading off hand is useless

[vale pine]

think someone mentioned the weapon thing works

if you craft on diffrent item levels

[leaden prairie]

but then you cant upgrade weapons for other specs

[vale pine]

but i have not yet see one confirming it

[leaden prairie]

hm

you have to waste the hc crests doing that no

[bleak night]

so get someone to recraft to rank 1

then to rank 5

[leaden prairie]

oh

you mean that way

ah interesting

[bleak night]

if its just ilvl diff

[leaden prairie]

will try

[bleak night]

idk if it works but thats what it sounds like

[open coral]

aight ill try it out , cheers 🙂

[bleak night]

lmk how it goes

[leaden prairie]

no

[bleak night]

lps

im poor

i cant afford to test it if it doesnt work 😦

[grim inlet]

theres no decent neck right? will you guys craft one?

[molten citrus]

Conquest neck is good

[vale pine]

i don't know you would probably need to:

• test if its item level on the same or diffrent tracks

[molten citrus]

For right now

[vale pine]

but if its not working, just a big waste of money

[open coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h46vPp2XHA3QmKHTLqFkpw ye i simmed with dead-eye and only - 8.5k now

90k was sus

[leaden prairie]

if its diff track its too low anwyay

[shy ermine]

Yeah would only be useful at 672 675

[sudden breach]

Seeing top logs using Sblades after Secret tech. Doesn't sblades buff finisher dmg now too? (opener)

[molten citrus]

it buffs Tech clones, not initial hit

[sudden breach]

ah

[molten citrus]

the clones hit 1sec and 1.3sec after initial hit

[small epoch]

so why does my sim show me rupturing and then rupturing again 6 seconds later....

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nc86WnjNLkpvdV8EbVs9Pe

er 9*

[sudden breach]

so doesnt matter which order then?

[vale pine]

it is fine after secret as long as you use it before the shadow clones attack

[vale pine]

ye, good point

[small epoch]

though it does also decide to pop junk maestros pretty much on cd which doesnt seem righteither

[molten citrus]

not really, but technically blades right after is going to let you fit in an extra global into your blades. not sure on exact % difference, very miniscule

[clever delta]

shees

did they change smg for this trinket?

all sudden it sim worse than pacemaker

[smoky goblet]

jw whats teh % diff between wax and whetstone? i assume its very minor but just cuous for a nubmer

[boreal finch]

how bad is it for me to macro my symbols to secret technique?

[molten citrus]

bad

[steady stump]

Yo, I just got oneshoted by a rogue sub lvl 27 as a lvl 80 dk, is there a oneshot macro or something like that ?

[molten citrus]

no

did it happen in the open world

[steady stump]

yep

shadowblade did 27,5mil dmg

[molten citrus]

its just bugs

that any class or spec in the game can do

[steady stump]

oh shit

how ?

[tardy solar]

scaling

[molten citrus]

[steady stump]

damn

that's bad

[molten citrus]

it

is not

scaling

[tardy solar]

got em

[steady stump]

mean

[molten citrus]

you can sim it

[autumn glade]

Because you're about to go in cd windows and using ruptures still gives you cdr on dance without risk of losing tier set stacks

[molten citrus]

nvm i don't see wax on the default options - might be there somewhere i just don't see it

[wild vine]

can get the pvp trinket

[random hare]

kk

@leaden prairie

[keen dome]

Ah, I see how you managed to get tier pieces.

Lucky shirt does work

[tepid trellis]

🤏

[random hare]

???

[twilit phoenix]

worth doing lfr for tier?

[leaden prairie]

big

[twilit phoenix]

down bad on hero track tier this week

[leaden prairie]

i havent upgraded anything

why did you upgrade zeross

[random hare]

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/geroge-lucas-red-south-park-rage-gif-8084693

[random hare]

idk i didnt upgrade much

just runed

[leaden prairie]

oh nvm its the ring

i seen wrong

no wait you did ye

658 is gilded no ?

ah its runed true

ye i guess thats fine

[molten citrus]

no pvp neck or trinket? nooob

[random hare]

wait

[warm marlin]

658 is ring trick

[random hare]

no way

zac wanna pvp tomorrow?

[leaden prairie]

oh ye i should do that

im at work

then raid

cant really play till

uh

[random hare]

tomorrow

[leaden prairie]

next weekend

[random hare]

oh

[molten citrus]

for once i wish i was on EU

[leaden prairie]

cause of pve ?

m+ is perma dead in na

[molten citrus]

no

nah

i want to witness zac pvp arc

[molten citrus]

m+ bumpin rn

[grizzled wharf]

Does the raid rotation change much from M+? Haven't done raid in a while just got into a pug to try to get the trinket lol

[molten citrus]

like 60+ keys listed rn over 10

[open coral]

https://gyazo.com/cd59e9ef1d8448510e618f3dfaf6f524

[molten citrus]

Clush be baiting complaining about 5am lfg

[open coral]

ok it worked 😄

[leaden prairie]

i mean i always do the little pvp things early season

[open coral]

ggs

[molten citrus]

was it worth doing in DF? idr

i know it was worth last ssn and this ssn

i def didn't expect pvp trinket to be as good as it is though ngl

kinda hoping its also good for assa once it's fixed in sims

[warm marlin]

Pvp trinket saving my parses since no transmitter

Goated

[leaden prairie]

hm

maybe not in df no

i did it in sl

and tww

idk about df

oh no

i did it in df

for rings for outlaw

back in the days

cause we had no rings

and it was basically bis

[strange chasm]

Is there anything worth using the 30 remaining crests for this week

or best to just save for myth piece

[molten citrus]

yeah i remember some stuff was decent in SL as well

same ilvl pvp gear went hard

[vale pine]

it was worth to do pvp for some seasons

[twilit phoenix]

does anyone have title for tww s2 yet?

[vale pine]

but blizz changed pvp item scaling

so it is rarely worth to use pvp gear

[plush roost]

!fuu

???

WHERE IS HE

fuu!

[molten citrus]

well it seems to be worth every season

[plush roost]

HELP

[molten citrus]

at the beginning of the season

[plush roost]

Moroes is on strike

[molten citrus]

to use a couple pvp pieces

[molten citrus]

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[plush roost]

Thanks NoRoes

[molten citrus]

[vale pine]

!fuu

[bleak night]

!fuu

moroes noo

[vale pine]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[paper iron]

Moroes obeys only to fuu now

[unreal smelt]

everyone is crafting the 675 weapon?

[jolly pasture]

do we backstab in dance only with new tier?

[molten citrus]

pretty much

[fallow nimbus]

what happened to vanish in the opener?

[slate lantern]

mh dps is prettyyyyy good

[leaden prairie]

im happy to be playing sub just cause of these daggers

so pretty uwu

[paper iron]

they great

i m using pvp from legion artefacts

they great

[vale pine]

the bot was online but had a big lag it seems

so i just restarted

[latent parcel]

Do weapon recraft work for "free" upgrade?

[hollow spear]

No

[oak grotto]

https://gyazo.com/fe8c94494444cd304741669f156f1197 Does the damage breakdown look right? a 6 Workshop

[frigid prawn]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[vale pine]

we are not sure, some say its fixed some say it works if you recraft with diffrent item levels

[hollow spear]

Sounds like an expensive gamble 😅

[vale pine]

alright, we killed some heroic bosses

i am not convinced rogue tier token's don't exist

but daggers, i got 3 now ^^

[jaunty umbra]

nice

always good to have a backup

[twilit phoenix]

How does knife compare to that drink trink from delves?

Drink kinda has giga uptime in keys

Getting like 30-40%

[twin surge]

any tips for bunkjunker hc on sub rogue? not sure if am doing something wrong on that.

[radiant shore]

he pretty much flies away exactly after 90 seconds iirc

i sent cds into that shit a few times

[vale pine]

fairly similar

[hazy breach]

both very good

[random hare]

@leaden prairie dude

Conquest vendor legit has full sun gear bis

Sub*

Might be PvP farm tomorrow

[vale pine]

have fun

[full wyvern]

A lot of the top parses has nimble flurry doing a lot of damage, but if your garbage rollers are doing their job and killing ads with the ball then youre going to be a lot lower

[random hare]

I won’t

But I’ll still do it

[wild hornet]

What a guy

Ive got one pair of boots

[vale pine]

i am the only one in the raid that can use agi daggers

sooo

all of them go to me

[random hare]

won dagger out of 3 rogues

[gritty knot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[random hare]

1 is an outlaw main tho so

And crit mastery is big for me

[raw wadi]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[raw wadi]

Does it matter for flagellation trinket macro, if the trinket or flagellation is the first spell in the macro?

[vale pine]

you can macro transmitter to flagellation

[leaden prairie]

well ye

[raw wadi]

Had some weird stuff going on during opener

[leaden prairie]

same for outlaw zeross

its all vers so

[vale pine]

because the task takes time to finish

for cards blades is better

[raw wadi]

yeah but my macro looks like this:
#showtooltip
/cast Flagellation
/use 13

[cyan peak]

Can you tell from this what im doing wrong in dungeons? im barely keeping up with my DK tank, who is admittedly a blaster but still

[raw wadi]

and on some pulls it used the transmitter but not flagellation

[vale pine]

time to move the /use to blades ^^

if you have cards

[raw wadi]

yeah its time but didnt dropped in my Split :]

Wednesday... i believe

[vale pine]

haha

i surely get a tier set next week

[random hare]

Idk I’m rly disappointed with outlaw lately haven’t hated that spec before in my life

It’s actually real bad now

[vale pine]

our guild follows the same tier spread

[raw wadi]

❤️

[random hare]

does well in raid tho

[vale pine]

which can mean i can get fucked again

and get no tier before week 3-4

[random hare]

[twilit phoenix]

Got double heroic dagger from third boss and heroic track drink delve trink this week

[random hare]

Imagine no 4 set week 1

[twilit phoenix]

Feeling good

[vale pine]

(the idea is to give people 2p first, often then give 4p over people with no pieces looted)

[leaden prairie]

well ye, ks ruins it

you would enjoy kir trickster tho

[random hare]

Idk it’s not just that

[leaden prairie]

i think

ignoring ks

[random hare]

4 set is not fun

[leaden prairie]

like its actually quite hard

ye true i dont like 4set

[random hare]

I don’t like its concept

[twilit phoenix]

[random hare]

Is it

[raw wadi]

@vale pine but do you have an idea why transmitter get used while flagellation didnt worked? i was in range at boss (shadowstriked)

[vale pine]

^ this can mean that if my tier set is the strongest one, like in 10.2. I can be unlucky and not get it done before week 3 which is exactly what happened in 10.2

[random hare]

I need to sleep now it’s mega late I should talk much

[leaden prairie]

ye

[random hare]

Gn need to wake up in 4 hrs

[twilit phoenix]

You were probably out of range for that global

[leaden prairie]

at first you dont notice it, but then you have so many things to play around

[random hare]

Work

[twilit phoenix]

Happens to me sometimes

[leaden prairie]

with coup, the 2 ss from ks

ks etc

[vale pine]

transmitter does not have a range requirement, so if you macro flag and transmitter transmitter willt always trigger

[rocky axle]

Should i delay SB/flag for 30sec to sync up with Skardyn's ?

[vale pine]

so even if you are out of melee range

[random hare]

I see ok gn gn

[vale pine]

just need to not forget to use flag if you trigger tranmitter without it

because its easy to miss

and then you are there "yo, where is my flag stacks"

[twilit phoenix]

Dude where’s my flag

[lilac stag]

@small juniper what did you end up doing to relevel the circlet? none of the quests are showing up

[fallow nimbus]

man that new opener, backstab torments us yet again

[vale pine]

you can skip the backstab part

its only like 0.3% without the new 4p

goes up to 0.5% with

[vestal escarp]

storm even

[lilac stag]

done with that

[warm marlin]

kill rares

including the cave ones

the "crate" they give once u have all the gems can also have the ilvl thing in it

[dawn trellis]

we still playing around coup stacks at all with sectech? or is it just sectech first finisher always in SD, and then coup after, also we still only pressing coup in dance or can we just press it outside

[lilac stag]

do the rares inside the storm work as well?

[acoustic lodge]

Pullled a 12hr shift today. Liquid is still on the same boss without rogue 🥲 is the boss over tuned ?

[lilac stag]

no rogue just sucks

[shy scarab]

Imagine dropping even our goat DR

[acoustic lodge]

Fair.. need to switch to holy pally

[shy scarab]

True and real, will switch to enhance

[hollow spear]

Delete your rogues, it's time to pack it up boys and girls

Rwf bench means we're eternally doomed

[shy scarab]

Or getting giiiiiga buffed!?

[hollow spear]

No, 3% aura nerf coming

[leaden prairie]

you kill the big dude adds, and you can kinda perma do it, between each kill you go back to the table, fill back the next one

and do that forever till you are full

[hollow spear]

Yep, that's what I ended up doing

And open the reward boxes

[unreal smelt]

anyone know if it's better to replace the old tier set with the new heroic gear from m+?

ty eleem

[tepid trellis]

just keep killing rares

[twilit phoenix]

Would you take a heroic cards from vault over a mythic piece

I don’t want to keep using transmitter bros

[tepid trellis]

yes i would

[twilit phoenix]

How far behind is that?

Heroic trans

[lilac stag]

.2

[twilit phoenix]

No way really?

[tepid trellis]

for me it was 29k behind -.-

[twilit phoenix]

Gonna sim myself

[lilac stag]

mythicc boi

[twilit phoenix]

Might just farm that shit out ngl

.2% is peanuts

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[twilit phoenix]

Thanks daddy scath

[lilac stag]

you can turn brain off, and it's always with blades, vs mis-timing your buff pickup

this week has good quests for conquest as well

[keen dome]

It's so relaxing.

pop blades. BIG BUFF. Blast city.

[hexed dagger]

I have maxed normal eye and sims don’t want me replacing it on 5min fights. at what point of fight length does it become too short to have good value?

[shy scarab]

Damn ill farm that trinket too i guess

Been a few situation where i cant even pick up the buff .. hoho

[weary kite]

does the crest bug still work with a crafted dagger?

[gritty knot]

no, just checked it

[raven rune]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[gritty knot]

is remnant of darkness trinket any good ?

[alpine wraith]

not great not horrible

[gritty knot]

ye just simmed it, 601 dps worse than 639 anub crystal ^^

[sudden breach]

is there a trinket list anywhere

[remote rapids]

Sunday as pug just makes me want to make a mage or pally 😐

[lilac stag]

oddly enough, if you faction xfer, you can run the delve mythic crest boxes another 3 times this week

[sacred magnet]

does anyone have the tier sims of all the specs?

like spreedsheet or something, not only for rogue

[lilac stag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[hexed dagger]

anyone know this?

[paper helm]

Idk you could prob sim it with a shorter duration sim

Instead of 5 min

[glossy turtle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[slate lantern]

Let's do it together

[kind bluff]

On right reverb are we just lining up small burst windows with the pillars?

[hexed sluice]

Getting the hang of this in m+

[radiant ginkgo]

guys what does sub wanna do on a 3 target priorty boss fight like the 1st fight in top?

[paper helm]

Probably the same as usual

[tepid trellis]

dot all 3

do single target rotation in dance

thats it

[radiant ginkgo]

cool

do we wanna be using shuriken storm?

[tepid trellis]

not inside of dance

[radiant ginkgo]

ok

[tribal blade]

finally got 4 set and first key using it i completely inted my damage trying to play around it

and then next keys stopped playing around it and damage went back up 😉

[slate basin]

So I had a rogue recommend the PVP agi on-use trinket since it has a 1 minute CD with solid stats. Is there any reason that would be trolling?

[charred ivy]

yea like it feels useless to play around rn since its nerfed + now 8 stacks is the max

i still do it before cds tho

[tribal blade]

you can play around it a little bit in certain situations, but yeah overall just not doing it is better

[hazy breach]

Its fine, but its way worse than house of cards transmitter

Since holding your trinket for 30s isnt great

[tribal blade]

i had the most tragic thing happen in raid

we had heroic house of card drop

and my RL didn't put me in the roll because it's -0.1% over transmitter

[slate basin]

All I have for on-use is a heroic skardyns

[tribal blade]

after everyone rolled for it i threw out a roll just for fun

got a 91 and would have won the roll

[kind bluff]

Ball chaser for life prophet

[hazy breach]

Pvp trinket is better than skardyn for sure

[tribal blade]

i wanted to off myself

[charred ivy]

i mean convenience is nice to have but i wouldnt put bis unless its mythic til people actually get it like there are specs simming over 50k+ while hc cards is like 7k for me

[tribal blade]

haha nah my RL said put bis even if it's not a % upgrade

because bis is bis, and we're doing our dropto on base ilvl not maxed out

so heroic house of cards fully upgraded is an upgrade over myth transmitter

[valid marsh]

either my sim is bugged or even with 4 fully upgraded pieces of hero tier at 665, it STILL doesnt want me to run new 4set, but 2 set old 2 set new

[tribal blade]

you can probably do it in ST fine but aoe you will be lacking

because with rotten you can force apply FW to all targets

which means big BP dam

[hazy breach]

That sounds like youve put it to always use old 2p

Because 2p+2p is bad

[tribal blade]

iirc it's not a huge deal using rotten on stab

[valid marsh]

THANK YOU! i didnt notice that!

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach does the 2pc buff coup damage?

not sure if it's one of those things where evis counts as coup

[hazy breach]

Yes

[eager idol]

why is sub being played over assa, just does more damage?

[short radish]

because sub is more fun than assi

[paper rock]

Cds line up better this tier, easier to cleave, easier to fiddle with your cds and stacks vers so easier to live and also its much more fun

[hazy breach]

Vers isnt even the main reason sub is tankier than assa

Sub just has two good passive defensive nodes that assa does not

With the 5% leech or 8% more healing taken AND the 10% damage reduction after entering dance (which is up like 50% of the time)

[steel zinc]

Sub was played at a wf level the last 5 tiers (Endboss)

Only one you played assa sometimes was fyrakk (Echo) because it was op with pi and aug

[eager idol]

thank you!

[vocal lantern]

is 2+2 better for sub than 4p s1

or was that only for sin

[hazy breach]

Sin

No sub

[vocal lantern]

sadg

[jagged perch]

are the best gems on the circlet the ones posted on the wowhead guide?

[paper iron]

👍

wowhead is fully up to date

[elfin hound]

jpwicked

[brisk raptor]

!symbols

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[polar sentinel]

Here I have one question on rotation.

I found some top player casts shadow blades just after using secret tech.

How useful technique is this?

In my opinion, there are pros and cons

Pros: Possibility to use 1 more dealing skill within the window of shadow blades (if I do perfect rotation).

Cons. I'll lose the first dmg tick of secret tech. (I don't know how much is this)

I'll appreciate if you gave some feedbacks on this. Thanks.

[alpine wraith]

it is a bit better to use it after but not huge

[polar sentinel]

How big the first dmg tick of secret.tech is?

[dusty flare]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[tepid trellis]

first hit is the one down below

[weary saffron]

go to the wowhead page for rotation and theres an explainer too for this exact question

[polar sentinel]

Thank. It looks not that small.

Got it. Thank you!

[tepid trellis]

its about equal to an Eviscerate

[midnight geyser]

how do i have 80% mastery unbuffed

is there a talent or sum

[sacred shoal]

i am a bit confused about the eviscerate in this rotation. wouldnt the eviscerate use up the supercharger combopoint?

[hexed sluice]

Mastery scales differently for different classes and spec

[maiden gale]

yes ! and secret technique will back off cooldown quicker that way, correct me if i'm wrong tho anyone

[swift tinsel]

you get two supercharged points

[hexed sluice]

one class might have 37% mastery with 20k mastery stat, while another rocks 150% mastery with 20k stat

[swift tinsel]

first is used by evisc, second by sectech

[sacred shoal]

ooooh i expceted them to be used up by the same ability.

[swift tinsel]

Nope! One per finisher

[sacred shoal]

that explains tons

ty

[sacred shoal]

but wait, so its if my Secret technique has a couple of secondes left. and i use Eviscerate to push it ahaed into my symbols window.

[swift tinsel]

yeah, if sectech has <= 10sec left, a supercharged finisher will reduce its cooldown and make it useable

[sacred shoal]

this specc makes me feel like i am the most stupid person ever xD

i want my WL back xD

[swift tinsel]

Lmao it has its quirks for sure

[maiden gale]

it does feel real good once understood, i'm hitting the dummies I forgot about premeditation and i'm using backstab + shadowstrike to get to full combo points in shadow because i use shadowstrike first

and thinking i'm a hot shot optimizing Danse Macabre

[sullen oar]

can someone look at my log and explain to me why my sectech did no damage xd

[sacred shoal]

ill be happy once i´ll get it. learnd a lot since wednesday. its just "annoying" to realize just must be doing something wrong withour really getting what it is

[sacred shoal]

id bet its what i was just asking about 😄

i realised mine does no dmg than i got that supercharger thing

[sullen oar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZmJX3tP42b6wxKMp?fight=50&type=damage-done

[maiden gale]

well we're in the right place then

[sullen oar]

on my first cold blood, it literally did zero damage

[warm marlin]

it incorrectly attributed to akaari's soul

owned

[twilit phoenix]

down

[eager locust]

is 2+2 set better than old 4 set for sub?

[tepid trellis]

if the person logging is on the opposite side of the room

it cant tell what sectech is

[grave delta]

depends on ilvl of the new 2 set

sim it :3

[sullen oar]

💀

that is so funny actually, ty tho

[sudden breach]

lmao

looks like you gotta log yourself

[sullen oar]

it just stole 70k of my dps ggs

[fallow loom]

we will craft dagger 675 first wednesday right ? with nerubar augment on it

[paper helm]

Idk i crafted mine already

[zenith egret]

is Ravenous Honey Buzzer (trinket) rly the best option after House of Cards and Transmitter in m+?

[sacred shoal]

ok i have different question.
Why does this happen?

like why can you use backstap after shadow dance

[hazy breach]

Backstab doesnt turn into shadowstrike

You can cast backstab in dance

[sacred shoal]

ok different question, why?

[hazy breach]

Danse macabre

[sacred shoal]

oh my god, i feel dumb once more xD

[lucid jackal]

@twilit phoenix dude

Im bouta get tha thug shaker hotline

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-thug-shaker-gif-10525359217700073530

[languid mortar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wet plank]

in keys im still ripping sectech without a symbols if im close to cds and otherwise wouldnt have 2 sd if i used one correct

[jagged perch]

i just got a 3.7mil burst at 604 ilvl is that just normal sub burst or did i get lucky?

[hexed sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/kiwi-cyberpunk-kiwi-cyberpunk-like-gif-1591605596078857609

Normal behavior

enjoy feeling like a god

[jagged perch]

i wonder why the rogue in my guild is playing outlaw when sub does that

[hexed sluice]

Cause overall I think they are all pretty similar rn

Outlaw is just flat profile or something

All 3 are just fun, play what you enjoy

[jagged perch]

i like big numbers so i think ill stay sub

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/myreaction-gif-27475323

[grand prairie]

Should I learn to play sub? My main issue is apm.

[random comet]

Sub is really not that fast, quite slow outside of CDs

But your dps over time aligns with your apm

[fallen depot]

crafted dagger isnt worth this season cuz of the raid dagger right?

[twilit phoenix]

It’s worth early on imo

How reasonably will you be killing 3rd boss mythic in the next few weeks?

[fallen depot]

probs not reasonably at all lol

[twilit phoenix]

Only other option is getting a myth track dagger from vault

The rookery one

So if you really want just wait till next week

But MH ilvl is the biggest thing

[acoustic lodge]

When is everyone pressing lust for carnage

[modest swan]

if you really have issue with apm, macro a key to throw all cd's in 1 key, and the rest is not that fast

[sacred magnet]

https://i.imgur.com/RnP5Zbb.png got 16 of the world this raid night on HC, boss feels pretty good for the cds really

[twilit phoenix]

simming the pvp trinket rn

[cobalt vector]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[tidal copper]

does the leech from the Shadowheart class talent happen when you're in combat but considered stealth for other abilities?

[warm marlin]

no only real stealth

very bad talent

[urban marlin]

anyone have a weakaura for "the first dance" ?

to track the 6 seconds

[graceful crown]

do we need a weak aura to track winning streak?

[young mural]

MAGHAR ORC OR REGULAR ORC?

FOR BIG CD WINDOW

[buoyant vault]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[graceful crown]

considering weapon power is more important than 2nd stats

probably greenie

[craggy quest]

they're both pretty close

[buoyant vault]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[tranquil garden]

plater q -- anyone know if there's an (easy) way to hide the castbar when something is either unkickable or not targeting you?

[spark tusk]

Not really. Perhaps in M+ at the end of a pull, if you have high stacks and the pull's almost over it may be worth holding until the next pull -> Dance rather than losing them all

[sharp knot]

hello! new to sub here, so just from the part about the burst combo in the guide - you always want your secret technique to consume the 2 supercharged combo points right?

[swift tinsel]

It only consumes one

So you get two supercharged finishers per cast, assuming you put two talent points in it

[sharp knot]

oh ok

so as long as you have a supercharged combo point you're good to ST?

[swift tinsel]

Generally yeah. You aim to supercharge every Sectech

[tribal blade]

94% uptime on 2pc during heroic mugzee

is this normal

i noticed i just had like perma 8 stack the entire fight

[vestal escarp]

You got 4p?

Uptime is for even 1 stack

[tidal copper]

does sub have any kind of funnel to boost ST when adds are out?

[tribal blade]

i did 😉

[tribal blade]

oh yeah for sure, i think i just got giga 8 stack uptime

[steel horizon]

only on deathstalker

[tidal copper]

k

[twilit phoenix]

bab the god is back

what's up king

[half comet]

do u storm in 2 target

[lucid jackal]

Greetings fellow sub rogues

[twilit phoenix]

so we don't vanish in opener anymore?

how do we get snd going before cooldowns

[lucid jackal]

u dont bother

Save vanish for utility/defensive/utility

[twilit phoenix]

damn really?

isn't not having snd going into cooldowns kind of inting ST stacks?

[lucid jackal]

U miss out on only a few seconds right

the evis right after the sectec

[twilit phoenix]

i guess you're right

thanks for alleviating my worries boss

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it’s a super minimal loss of snd uptime

[rain kernel]

we cant put sockets on pvp gear?

[twilit phoenix]

what's the most efficient way to farm this out?

[tribal blade]

hello pirate man

[tribal blade]

no pvp gear has specific sockets of their own

from the pvp vendors

[rain kernel]

yea googled it...so basically 12.5k honor for 1 socket

-.-

[lucid jackal]

U just gotta thug that shit out yk

[swift tinsel]

Think of it this way

You get into blades faster

And get to blast even sooner

Kachow

[warm marlin]

skipping those 2 gcds seems pretty good for stix/one armed from what i remember from the timings

[lucid jackal]

yeah when ur opener is slow it fucks ur cds later on too

[warm marlin]

if my flag wasn't instant on stix I think I remember 2nd sectec in 2nd blades hitting him in immune

tough stuff

[lucid jackal]

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/geroge-lucas-red-south-park-rage-gif-8084693

[craggy quest]

[lucid jackal]

[jagged perch]

does that say 7.8 mil O.O

[fickle sequoia]

Hey guys i was watching the Tier List on Archon gg and i discovered that subelty rogue is on top.
Can someone explain why it is so strong right now?

[jagged perch]

sub go boom

easiest explanation

[fickle sequoia]

Long time boom or short boom

[jagged perch]

short boom

as far as i’ve noticed

but boom comes back quick

[fickle sequoia]

Ohh okay and what is that makes the boom so big

[jagged perch]

tbh i don’t really know all i know is im 607 ish with a 3.7 mil single target burst

[fickle sequoia]

Ahh okey is it maybe a new Talent

[jagged perch]

it’s kinda insane whatever it is

big number = fun tho

[fickle sequoia]

Thats accurate

[slate lantern]

its the first week dont look into that too much (dont look into archon too much ever)

[fickle sequoia]

But if somebody knows it would be nice to know

Damn

[jagged perch]

just know sub = big boom

[fickle sequoia]

You think it will stay strong

[slate lantern]

🔮

who knows man

they can tune anything at anytime

play whats fun

[jagged perch]

assass was allowed to be good for all of last season

enhance was good for a year

[fickle sequoia]

I did see

[fickle sequoia]

Thats crazy accutally

[jagged perch]

aug was good for over 2 years then they just kinda murdered it this season so now i’m on a rogue

[jaunty heath]

Why is tobos feral bursting for more than exile

Buff tier set nerf baseline

More burst pls

[jagged perch]

yes sub needs higher burst

bigger boom

[lucid jackal]

Does a lot of damage

Only ever reason u play a rogue spec

[lilac stag]

Daily BGs, The Weekly Quest, War Mode Crate

[dawn trellis]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ebon tiger]

mythic transmitter and sus energy drink basically as good or better than heroic house of cards and eye of kezan right now. not sure how to feel

[lilac stag]

Delete transmitter and forget it existed

[young mural]

stop talking about this bs

tuesday everything will be nerfed to the ground

(allegedly)

WHO ELSE getting 2 sec techs in their FIRST DANCE?????????

WHO ELSE

[subtle zodiac]

I can only hope I fucking hate playing that trinket xD

[young mural]

yhea its despicable

[slate lantern]

just get the pvp trinket and pretend the 1% dps loss doesnt exist

[spark tusk]

With TFD I believe it if you go into dance with some sht stacks already

Just barely

[worthy pulsar]

how much of a difference of not using backstab during dance?

[jaunty heath]

I wonder how much of a loss getting 2nd tech barely outside of transmitter is anyways

[slate lantern]

0.6% iirc?

[slate lantern]

a lot more

lol

[worthy pulsar]

what about not using storm once during dance?

[slate lantern]

storm is good in dance for aoe because it spreads FW to other targets, so will probably be bigger

but i aint no theorycrafter so I cannot give you specifics

[jaunty heath]

The storm in aoe applies FW which is pretty significant -> Altho this only really applies for when you’d use BP so 7+ targets

[pseudo fiber]

Hi! Do we use BlackPowder if outside dance?

i usually do high peaks but lose alot of dps mid fight

wondering why that is

i kept Backstabbing due to nimble flurry and finishing with evs

it sucks tbh

[jaunty heath]

Inside / outside dance doesn’t change the rule of BP

Outside of Dance use storm as your builder tho

[pseudo fiber]

hmm...

what rule is that?

[jaunty heath]

BP at 7+ targets

[pseudo fiber]

why 7+ we we have an 8 cleave on eviscarate?

[jaunty heath]

Because numbers

[pseudo fiber]

i see

[jaunty heath]

It does more damage, nothing more to it

[pseudo fiber]

kay, thanks mate!

[jaunty heath]

On the subject of peaks

That is just sub

Big boom into no damage

So make sure your big boom is big

[pseudo fiber]

huehue

i figuered keeping an high uptime on SoD makes it more stable

as i was backstabbing to keep duration up

but... well. if we ss bp anyways. i might find a dif. usage of SoD

[jaunty heath]

You don’t really „find“ a usage for SoD

Symbols supercharged your secret tech

That’s what it’s for

[pseudo fiber]

so only use when ST is up?

or about to be

[jaunty heath]

Yes, and also don’t over use it

Always need 2 in your cds

It’s a bit of a curve to understand when you can send one and when you can’t

Mostly looking at flag cd and figuring out if you can fit one before

Same for dances

Theres a rule of thumb for it but its mostly watching timers and judging if you can fish enough cdr on dance

For SoD there’s not cdr so that’s a bit easier

[pseudo fiber]

but dance only with sod, right?

[jaunty heath]

Yes

[pseudo fiber]

cool, i'll get back to practice

[jaunty heath]

You stack as many buffs as you can to buff your secret tech

[pseudo fiber]

😄

[jaunty heath]

That’s the baseline of the spec

Really recommend reading fuu‘s guide

Your „opener“ is what you do in all cds really

[pseudo fiber]

im around 2,8-3m overall in priory rn

e.g.

y i have an opener from method.gg

is that a viable one?

[jaunty heath]

I don’t remember who does method I think it’s Stealthi, so yes it’s viable

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[jaunty heath]

All three of them are good

[pseudo fiber]

fair, ty ty

[manic bison]

Hey! Regarding rupture spread: is there a General rule of thumb If/how many ruptures we spread in aoe? I feel like even in 10s mobs die relatively fast and dont live the whole rupture duration

[jaunty heath]

Spread while gathering / after cds if the mobs live long enough - not sure if there’s a number for X seconds before it’s worth it

I just spread some while gathering, get into cds, if the mobs aren’t 20% health after I’ll do 1-2 more

I‘m not a goat tho so someone that’s more into keys knows better prob

[manic bison]

Okay, thanks mate!

[twilit phoenix]

@lucid jackal this your alt king?

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[manic bison]

Tried out the Spec with the First dance over weaponmaster. I feel like i cant make a Lot use of IT because there isnt that much time between pulls. Anything im Missing Here?

[lilac stag]

WM is useless. TFD is really strong. Even if you only get a couple uses of it.

[indigo drift]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[young mural]

yhea its crazy tight and pretty inconsistent but i feel like im one of the FEW to EVER do it.

NEW TECH I CREATED: 2 SEC TECHS IN 1 DANCE

[manic bison]

Ok thanks! You even enter the Fight some Seconds later to get IT Up or nah^^

[twilit phoenix]

idk i still like WM in keys

giga boss dam

[random comet]

You do giga boss dam anyway and it’s nothing to do with WM 😛

[young mural]

dude is LOST!

[pseudo fiber]

just a last question

on 7+ targets, do i still use Shadowstrike as gainer during dance?

[random comet]

yep, unless you need shuriken storm to apply FW via rotten

to everything in aoe

[pseudo fiber]

aighty, so just 1 storm then build with strike

and bp finisher

[random comet]

coup still gets used in 7+

but yeah drop evis for BP

unless need to reapply SnD but thats pretty rare

or want the prio

[pseudo fiber]

kay nice!

[clever delta]

Anyone know what happened to goon trinket in sims? It was same strength as eye of kazan but it's much worse in nightly sim

[jaunty heath]

They just goon less

[random comet]

oh man do we drop the goon hotline now?

[young mural]

goon squad is insane

[twilit phoenix]

Goon trinket + thug shaking hotline trinket

[steep hemlock]

anyone know much about this junkmaestro's mega magnet , like when its actually optimal to use

[twilit phoenix]

Lord forgive me im about to buss

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zakir-naik-may-allah-forgive-you-because-i-wont-gif-25702260

[young mural]

most goon in a wow season i've ever experienced

GOON SQUAD IS CRAZY WORK BLIZZARD

[twilit phoenix]

Blizz anticipates the zeitgeist

[clever delta]

I looted goon on hc and returned it as it sim same as pacemaker but lose badly in aoe

[twilit phoenix]

Really have their finger on the pulse

https://preview.redd.it/blizz-was-really-ahead-of-their-time-v0-1lremaesw0hc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=0a97e231d0cc6b9b9d94aef1df84a68ccfd48ec7

Goated achievement

Ahead of its time

[young mural]

you returned it?

just called our boys Mug and Zee and gave it back to them?

[clever delta]

No I gave it back to loot council to give to someone else

[tribal blade]

wa wa wee wa

[twilit phoenix]

[clever delta]

Need to kill hc last boss first

Had some issues on mugdzee yesterday

[twilit phoenix]

1st boss mythic is a joke

Mugzee harder no cap

[clever delta]

Yeah but better items on gallawix hc than first boss myhthuc

[tribal blade]

we got mugzee super low several times

[twilit phoenix]

For sure, but it’s nice to get a few myth track off pieces

[clever delta]

We got 15% first pull and than stuck

[tribal blade]

this was our mugzee damage across 17 wipes

and we got to the enrage quite a few times

[gaunt goblet]

hey everyone, want to ask about weapon dmg on sub rogue, Is it worth to upgrade main hand "hero 6/6" with offhand "hero 1/6" or it`s better to upgrade them equally?

[clever delta]

How you not topping

[tribal blade]

learning the fight and timings

[clever delta]

You just send on cd

[tribal blade]

oh yeah

but there's a lot going on

[clever delta]

But gallawix need some holding

You lining up with adds there

[tribal blade]

i'm trying to opt to play stuff safer on prog rather than try to do max damage all the time

[clever delta]

Me too

[plush roost]

Ethical dps

smhmyhead

[tribal blade]

but i'm not dying so i guess that's something

[young mural]

hmmm so GPO has people doing actual gray parses

woah

[tribal blade]

haha yeah, it is what it is sometimes

mugzee is a hard nboss

[clever delta]

Sub so tanky

Fuck assa one tricks

[tribal blade]

yeah playing sin just feels so bad defensively

[clever delta]

Btw playing around tier set drive me crazy

Maybe I should not track it

[random comet]

Offhand dps is not important, upgrade your main hand first. Probably don’t go 6/6, if you’re getting gilded crests then save them to craft a 675 weapon instead.

[gaunt goblet]

@random cometthx!

[twilit phoenix]

Is there really a min max with it?

I thought we don’t play around it

[plush roost]

you dont unelss maybe to prep a burst amp

[tribal blade]

i tried to do that in a key when i 1st got it and did terrible dps

when i stopped playing around it my dps went back to normal

feels like if you're like 1-2 finishers away from cds you can use rupture

losing 1-2 no cd evis/bps feels worth having a quicker ramped cd set

[clever delta]

Sometimes you don't even get to 8 stacks during first two sectech if you go at zero in cds

[tribal blade]

yeah i've seen that happen

it's omega cringe

i think i once ended flag+blades with like less than 4 stacks

[clever delta]

This tier set affect my cdr too tbh

[simple inlet]

is sub playable in m+ without transmitter?

[clever delta]

As I find myself autoattacking a lot

If you have house of cards surely its

[simple inlet]

and without either?

[tribal blade]

probably yeah

you just do less dps

but sub is very good right now so it's not like you'll be bottom of the barrel w/o those trinks

[lucid jackal]

U can get the pvp trinket

U need an on use of some kind either way

[tribal blade]

delve trinks might be ok too

[steep hemlock]

is sims correct with the new tierset? i thought 2 piece 2 piece was supposed to be better then old 4 piece

[tribal blade]

no the new 2pc sucks by itself

it's just perma dropping because no dance protection

[steep hemlock]

i see so dont use till 4 pc gotcha ty

[tribal blade]

in general yeah, depends on how big an ilvl boost you're getting from it

[hexed dagger]

gallywix heroic is such a chiller end boss than recent tiers

not a ton going on

[hoary bloom]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm folio]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[split tide]

are we still using black powder for 5 creeps ? since we got nimble fury , sry newbie question

[smoky vault]

Honestly from 5/6 targets I don't see really differences between using BP or just evis realistically so

On paper it's 7+

Guess that number very right

[split tide]

thank you

[ornate heron]

We dont play around our 4p right?

[fleet acorn]

Anyone got some good rupture Macro for m+ to spread it ?

[minor wedge]

Hc transmitter vs maxed out pvp trinket? Big difference? I really hate the minigame

[ornate heron]

!BUGS

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[cunning solar]

Numbers on when to break season 1 4 piece?

[sudden breach]

Im more inclined to say use Evis in most scenarios, priority dmg is important in m+

target the mob with the highest hp and cleave off it

[tribal blade]

nah you lose out on a lot of aoe if you do that

some pulls i would say for sure do that, like the creepers in darkflame

[sudden breach]

its a judgment call whether you think the dmg is impactful vs pad dmg

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't necessarily call BP pad damage

we've been limit testing pull sizes and when you have cds you can just mow the entire pack down before anything really bad happens if you full ook ook BP spam

[haughty mural]

[vestal escarp]

Depends on the pull imo, like on workshop first theres no big threat to bp is good there

But brewery first theres either the aoe bouncer or mini boss directly and bp spam is not hitting him anymore than other guys

[tribal blade]

for sure any pull with a big scary mob with small shitters you can just evis spam no matter the target count

[vestal escarp]

Nah on brewery i tried forcing nimble

Outlaw experience

[tribal blade]

haha brewery i don't think i ever forced nimble

darkflame cleft and rookery are 2 that come to mind where i do that

the creepers in darkflame are crazy on the tank

[haughty mural]

just throw the magic dark dust an them

in brewery

[tribal blade]

when we did the cart event in darkflame i literally just sat on cds until creeper pulls

just send solo dances on the non creeper elite pulls

[vestal escarp]

Too bad deathstalker dmg profile is locked behind... well deathstlaker

[tribal blade]

haha yeah fuck DS

never again

[runic current]

is cyrces ring worth farming on a fresh character?

[tribal blade]

yeah it's high ilvl

doesn't take too long to fully max it out

[runic current]

ok ty

thanks, ill get to work

[tribal blade]

it maxes out at 658 which is fully maxed out runed crests on a heroic piece

[haughty mural]

my mechano-core amplifier makes me really sad

[oblique delta]

Do i use SS after ST on less then 7 targets or not? The explanation tab contradicts the opener sequence

[tribal blade]

you only use storm in dance when you're going to be using black powder

[oblique delta]

So the opener sequence is wrong? You dont storm to apply find weakness on less then 7 targets?

[tribal blade]

could possibly be a new thing, i'm not 100% sure

because nimble is affected by FW

[shy ermine]

I think the problem with this logic is that you’d rather use storm than backstab on let’s say 5 targets

Strike sectec storm evisc makes more sense than backstab sectec strike evisc

[tribal blade]

you're using backstab to generate a stack of DM

[shy ermine]

Yes, and I’m using storm to generate a stack of DM too

But storm is strictly better than stab on 5 targets as your 2nd builder to not waste rotten charges

So if your position is that you only storm on 7 targets or more, you shouldn’t be backstabbing

[tribal blade]

my mind must be fried, i'm confused

that 1 storm is to apply FW to all targets

[shy ermine]

Yes, it does that too

[tribal blade]

the backstab is replacing strike

we used to strike as 1st builder

[haughty mural]

since you strike in dance anyway

so like prophet is saying

[tribal blade]

on 7+ targets 1st builder is backstab, 2nd builder is storm, all the rest are strike

[haughty mural]

exactly

[shy ermine]

Yes, but what about 5

[haughty mural]

but since when do we apply fw under 7 targets ?

is that opener from before the patch ?

when we BP'd at 5+ ?

[tribal blade]

yeah we didn't used to for sure, maybe it changed

[haughty mural]

i mean i am down to it tbh

[oblique delta]

idk, i started a bit late and this is the opener on wowhead

[haughty mural]

for swapping target reasons

[tribal blade]

nimble is affected by FW and they buffed nimble damage, maybe that's the reasoning

or it's an error

[haughty mural]

i mean the whole new bs optimization is also only worth it with new 4set right ?

[tribal blade]

it's roughly 0.5% with the new tier and definitely less with the old tier

[keen dome]

The level of optimisation I look at and go "eh, if i remember"

(i do not)

[tepid trellis]

we dont

[tribal blade]

cool cool

[haughty mural]

thought so

thanks

[robust dust]

Is it useful to macro shadowdance Into backstab? Or are there any situations where you dont want to backstab after dance

[subtle jay]

well, blizz just fucking tuned Gallywix and trash around raid yesterday

but they did it silently

[wild vine]

You can have a macro that allows you to press the dance button while in dance to use backstab

Keeps flexibility but does what you want

[fickle mason]

anyone crafting daggeruwu

[cursive vapor]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[haughty mural]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[hollow spear]

That opener is still for aoe (but below 7 targets), and storm is better at >= 3 targets, so it's still optimal, no?

[steel zinc]

Can you step galliwix now or will it yeet you still off?

[hollow spear]

Not for FW, but you're not in dance yet

[keen dome]

I stepped him last night and it didn't yeet me off the platform but don't take it as conclusive

[tepid trellis]

out of dance yeh,it fine

[hollow spear]

Yeah, so the graphic is okay for me

Nvm

I didn't even realise there was a 2nd storm haha

[vale pine]

you don't, i had a mistake in the image but corrected it just a few minutes ago:

the storm is only on 7+

[vestal escarp]

Bluds making fuu hustle 24/7

[vale pine]

haha no

i created the 7+ target image first and forgot to switch 7 to strike

so was a oopsie from me

but was fast to correct ^^

the explenation was correct, just a mistake in the image (which is now corrected)

[bright solar]

what item do you recommend crafting? Weapon or some other item?

[tepid trellis]

wep

[plush roost]

acuired 4set

rank 9 rookery 12 timed

wheee

I am unchained from Assa

[mighty citrus]

i want to give one thing into consideration as pulls dont last that long in regular keys and targets die inbetween. question is about cb usage. i know we aim for second st but very often on my keylevel 10ish, there is already a lower amount of mobs. do we still stick to cb st on second?

[tepid trellis]

fire the CB sectech as first

if you think the mobs will be thinned out

[mighty citrus]

yeah that was my thought

so maybe better send it first

in mplus

[tepid trellis]

just kinda depends on the pack

if u got a pack where all 8 mobs have like 120mil

you can get 2x sectech out fine

but if its a pack with like 1 mob at 220m and rest 100 and some 50

then id rip it first

[clever delta]

Yeah I'm doing same

[naive tapir]

Which cyrces gems do you run on sub?

[clever delta]

Man i still refuse thwt backstab in dance, is it aoe optimization only or for st too ?

[tepid trellis]

ST and low ish target counts

[clever delta]

What kind of % is it at st?

[jaunty heath]

sir making me nervous on stream

Idol watching me ride waves in cinderbrew

[fleet acorn]

!rupture

[jaunty heath]

ICANT

[wicked jolt]

When to apply rupture:
Rupture is used on enemies that survive for ~12 seconds but not during Shadow Dance. You always apply Rupture to all targets that fulfill this condition if you optimize for dps. Replicating shadows spreads Rupture to the closest target to your character and makes correct positioning relevant.

[naive tapir]

thank you my favourite dooley abuser

[clever delta]

Is it like 0.5% backstab tech or more

Will need to but backstab in stealth bar again

[void hound]

revert tier set nerfs 😭

[vale pine]

🤖

[cerulean moat]

Heyo guys, I’m new to sub rogue and it seems like I’m getting combo points refunded after using a spender some times, I can’t for the life of me figure out what is causing this to happen. Does anyone here know? I want to see if I can play around it

[tepid trellis]

shadowcraft

bottom talent

[tame stone]

do you guys use a WA for shadowcraft or you get the feel of it eventually?

[tepid trellis]

just a sound queue when it refunds

[cerulean moat]

Ah I see, I wonder if I can make a weak aura track it