subtlety

[short radish]

/lust timing etc

[void ocean]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[untold reef]

Who are some good sub rogues on youtube? I'd like to watch some stuff on 0.5x speed, which is not possible on every twitch stream

[short radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUltGUGtuVw&ab_channel=Eleem

also @alpine wraith

[untold reef]

Thanks!

[short radish]

no wokkas

gl

[midnight folio]

anyone has any clue why 1st tick is 5 mil? (last boss floodgates)

[paper iron]

it s like lot of dot this game

u got the initial hit + a dot

oh if that s the intermission

dont be middle of him

gues that s what happened there

[hardy agate]

Do you guys craft weapon this week or wait your vaults?

[alpine wraith]

craft weapon

150k dps aint waitin for no one

[midnight folio]

guess shadowstep is close enough or i pressed "w", could ve at least stated it like somewhere

[paper iron]

i crafted weapon as well first, guess i should have wait to see if first boss mythic dropped one but w/e it s helping rn

[hollow spear]

Putting it in OH eventually would have been my play anyways

Just like last season

And since trinkets are meh this tier, I'm not going to lose sleep over using 60 gilded crests anyways

[paper iron]

exactly my thought process, off hand in worst case, in the meantime it s just a great help for m+ / early raid

[alpine wraith]

also blessed grip is very good for my mastery addiction

[paper iron]

Not a wasted craft w/e happens

[hollow spear]

My sim doesn't like blessed grip

Dunno why

Even tho I should scale well with mastery thanks to transmitter (which also means I'll never get hoc anytime soon)

[alpine wraith]

well all embellish are whatever and you only really change if you took off the writhing patch piece

otherwise asdendance+patch is better

also lens should be better st

just on raid an m+ only 1 fight is full st

i might go back to 2 radiance depths is not doing as much as i though

[tribal blade]

i actually just put on 1 depths 1 radiant power

to get the best of both worlds

when i simmed that it's basically like gaining +0.5% dps to ST from x2 radiant power

[frigid prawn]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[alpine wraith]

i kinda dont like how depths has 3 layers of rng

it proccing it staying at 3 stacks then crits

[tribal blade]

and losing 0.5% dps in dslice from x2 radiant power

yeah it's weird

[alpine wraith]

im very unlucky

[tribal blade]

BUT radiant power has big rng too about getting it to proc in cds

[alpine wraith]

it hits hard now too for some reason

[tribal blade]

they did buff the inital dmg by something like 20%

[alpine wraith]

on my m+ radiance was doing 1% and depths like 1.2% to 1.3%

so idk

maybe i just close my eyes and accept that both are whatever and the main stat from radiance can also proc whenever

[empty oyster]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gHC29XC28zZo26YN5vpVG8
Is this ilvl diff?or i am simming wrongly
sim telling to go 2pc 2pc instead of old 4pc

[alpine wraith]

yea with high ilvl new set is fine

[dapper stirrup]

In m+ do we always wait for dance to be ready before we use ST?

[jaunty heath]

Alo question, do I remember correctly is backstabbing once in every dance neutral to backstabbing once in cds

[alpine wraith]

backstabbing once is 0.3% to 0.6%

without tier and with tier

[jaunty heath]

Nah but I mean backstabbing once in every dance vs backstabbing once only in cds (flag)

I think that was neutral iirc

[molten citrus]

the main focus is symbols+tech

[swift tinsel]

with my current gear, will check with new

[lucid jackal]

Huh

[subtle jay]

well

7th boss was easier than 6th on HC

[alpine wraith]

mug is a numbers check kinda

so if you went first day 640 ilvl it was kinda diff but now it falls easier

[keen dome]

Only rogue on a heroic Rik pug kill and a dagger drops

[alpine wraith]

eeez

[keen dome]

da big luck

[alpine wraith]

i was also the only rogue in ridk lfr

[subtle jay]

got dagger from rik but mug dropped literally shit

[keen dome]

rip

[subtle jay]

unlucky as fuck

[smoky vault]

Mage trinket

[subtle jay]

however our hunt got 6 tokens from 1st split

[smoky vault]

Mage tiers proven

[subtle jay]

literally everything

[swift tinsel]

me, with one normal dagger and gloves I can't equip

[keen dome]

I have been blessed this week

[swift tinsel]

meanwhile our dk who has THE most insane loot luck I have ever seen got natty 4pc

we've done 10 bosses between normal and heroic and he's been getting showered in loot

[keen dome]

haha damn

[swift tinsel]

he's gotten every super rare mount drop on his first or second kill for most of them, his luck must be studied

and I'm pretty sure he just started playing in late SL or early DF

[keen dome]

heroic stix looks vile, geez.

Pug killer wall boss.

[swift tinsel]

Yeah there's a fair bit of personal responsibility that might mess with a lot of people

[keen dome]

yep

[calm rose]

What are you guys doing for necks this tier?

[vale pine]

mythic looks extremely tough this time around

heroic too

[calm rose]

darkflame cleft neck or is crafting one a good idea

[jolly pasture]

i hope its just RWF difficulty and as soon its done they come in and make the raid for everyone else

[swift tinsel]

it usually is

[vale pine]

^ very likely is

[vale pine]

did you use the lines i had in #1065728795455266888 ?

[swift tinsel]

bc some of those bosses as-is in RWF are unkillable

[jolly pasture]

thats for mythic, hc is just extremely overtuned

gallywix being 8 healded by rwf guilds is xdd

[vale pine]

Heroic def. feels a bit too hard

[swift tinsel]

actions.build=backstab,if=buff.shadow_dance.up&buff.premeditation.up is in the base APL I'm using

[vale pine]

ah perfect

[swift tinsel]

then added &buff.flagellation.up and &buff.shadow_blades.up for each of the others

[subtle jay]

game went toxic on me

[swift tinsel]

I was checking if its worth w/ rotten to dance-stab-sod-sectech but it was making sod do funny things but now that my coffee is kicking in I might look a bit more

[vale pine]

i just was not sure becuase it was all similar for me when i tested

but gear was diffrent

i used the tier profile

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's with my current retail gear which is not great

[subtle jay]

fuck dat dude

[alpine wraith]

yea the less mastery and mastery things you have the less stabbing in dance is

[jolly pasture]

0 rogues in rwf comp man

[swift tinsel]

I think I'm at 94% unbuffed mastery

[vale pine]

that guy looks sus, with that smile on his face

[alpine wraith]

damn that is weird then

are you running tfd?

[swift tinsel]

sec

[vale pine]

i mean you need a rogue for our raid buff

[alpine wraith]

only if dmg intake is a problem

also stix drops nothing for rogues

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that build has TfD

[alpine wraith]

so even if they were useful they dont want to waste loot

[swift tinsel]

I'll rerun with WM instead and see what happens

[vale pine]

loot is def. a good point

[subtle jay]

he's easier than 6th and 7th bosses on HC

so hopefuly we'll get him 1st pull

[vale pine]

🙏

[subtle jay]

but im too frustrated and distracted to listen to rl xd

[swift tinsel]

WM instead of TfD

[jolly pasture]

its wild to me how rwf guilds knew so well how hard this raid will be in advance (i assume thats why so many splits)

the most splits ever perhaps? feels like it to me

[subtle jay]

well, NP raid was harder than this one

[jolly pasture]

i didnt watch rwf then

[subtle jay]

saying just from my own experience

[molten citrus]

idts

[subtle jay]

didnt watch rwf either xd

[molten citrus]

they almost always have a shit ton of splits

[jolly pasture]

isnt it also too early to say which was harder?

[subtle jay]

in terms of 1st week NP was way ahead

[jolly pasture]

yeah but this many? i think max even said they are usually in mythic right now while they were still doing splits

[subtle jay]

on HC and NM

mythic is literally another level of understanding

[jolly pasture]

oh idk about hc and norm

normal has been piss easy since i can remember so its hard to judge 1 piss easy raid vs another piss easy raid

hc is insane this time around, and i came into NP very late so cant compare there

[shadow lance]

NP was harder cause we were lacking stuff

[molten citrus]

i think any time they expect a raid to go into next reset they do about this much

most races have had less, but i think we've seen this much before

idk tho just going off vibes

[jolly pasture]

i guess NP might be harder considering the fact they had entire HC week to do as many splits as they want, as weel as a reset so presumambly they went into mythic way more geared

[jolly pasture]

same

going off vibes i never saw 4th boss be a wall basically

thats why it seems like this one will be super tought, but bosses look very fun so its aight

[jaunty heath]

This boss ain’t a wall yet

Both guilds are on their first day - liquid finished their day and echo are on it, calling it a wall might be a bit of a reach still

It certainly can be

But I wouldn’t call it a wall yet

Also @swift tinsel thanks for the sim I appreciate it

[swift tinsel]

happy to help!

[jolly pasture]

considering the discrepancy between 3rd and 4th boss its a wall in my mind

[jaunty heath]

Eh, it doesn’t necessarily have to be the 4th boss

Max said yday he thinks sprocketmonger is actually decently easier than stix

But swapping would be dangerous if they don’t kill it they showed 2 bosses on stream

So they kept going stix

[jaunty heath]

I‘m just thinking about the SD/Bs macro looking for a downside to just doing /cast twice since SD isn’t on the gcd

Only issue I’m currently seeing is the second dance if ur already at full co

Cp*

In cds that is

[primal lily]

question, im trying to go sub but no daggers dropping. is it viable for me to craft my dagger, and just have a fist in the offhand?

or is it a big diff

[alpine wraith]

big diff

[primal lily]

gosh dangit

[alpine wraith]

buy a green dagger from ah to put on off hand

[spark tusk]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[primal lily]

roger

ill keep grinding

[alpine wraith]

you can get a crafted pvp dagger that is 636 ilvl too

[primal lily]

TRUe

ty

[subtle jay]

DKs are stoopid

like

literally dumbest tanks

[alpine wraith]

i like them actually

they move mobs

[grave delta]

[solemn creek]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[grave delta]

farming the sockets took longer than the neck tbh

[molten citrus]

yeah the pvp sockets take a bit

really wish they'd let us buy our jewelry sockets with gold too, its so lame

[vagrant imp]

Tried to reroll warlock and returned to rogue just because that discord is the best class discord in the game

[grave delta]

now I just need any +10 neck to send it to 655

[fallen fable]

is order dmg correct

on TOP 10 ?

@vale pine

[vale pine]

if it was a big pull

then it misses BP

[oak grotto]

Is it worth to use SecTech without CB

Aslong as I always use SecTech in Shadow dance

[vale pine]

yes

you will use secret a lot without cb

[weak magnet]

Seeing Perfecto doing pvp. Is the Pvp trinket an Option for sub? Or what am I missing?

[oak grotto]

But never without Shadow Dance?

[solemn creek]

Is the backstab trick to use it as first gcd of dance?

[swift tinsel]

with premeditation buff

so usually

unless you have full cp going into dance

[vale pine]

extremely rare yes

can think of it as always during dance

[tribal goblet]

Why in the opener can you not use dance, symbols, and blades together?

[molten citrus]

yep

[molten citrus]

you would much rather end up holding CB compared to holding Tech

[clever delta]

FINALLY

hate the old dungeons with 12 loot pool

[vale pine]

gz

[molten citrus]

you sorta do, give or take a global

[tribal goblet]

Okay that's what I figured, if you hold it until after backstab you're just gaining a global of blades duration

[hollow spear]

you are still not supposed to macro them together

[strange chasm]

Wait no evis to start slice n dice?

[vocal lantern]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[swift tinsel]

you get it early enough in opener dance to not worry about it

the snd uptime loss is very minimal

[strange chasm]

Interesting that's quite nice. Opener is a lot more simple

[swift tinsel]

yeah, realistically you miss one potential UB proc but unless you get extremely lucky and get a Thousand Cuts reset for it you don't lose anything

you just end up moving the vanish to after your cooldowns

[keen dome]

Stix in pugs is painful, geez.

[native zodiac]

just farm priory instead

same ring p much with less items

[echo pendant]

!cd

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[alpine wraith]

ring from priory has diff spread

but still decent yes

[hoary bloom]

!craft

[golden totem]

how close is bubblin wax to stone nowadays

[clever delta]

everyone farming prio iits harded to get in tbh

and i cba hate that dungeon

[swift tinsel]

I had our holy paladin say "get this shit out of my bags" when I asked if I could get the priory ring from him lol

[proven plover]

Btw dont forget m0 guys, it drops normal Track items

And is cheap to upgrade

[surreal wigeon]

would you guys consider catalysting a champ piece to get 4 set? Or just grind it out for the 4th hero piece?

[keen dome]

Def hero

Or wait for reset to see

[random hare]

im about to do some illegal damage

sheeeeeesh

[keen dome]

You better do a 60m sectec

[random hare]

33m sectec last boss rookery

could see the boss just drain 5% of his hp from 1 gcd

[keen dome]

lmao, yeah, it owns

I was helping a friend doing a 4 earlier and set it up perfectly and just watched the boss HP bar drain

[devout quarry]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

Lockensprocket is hella chaotic but what a fun fight. Very reminiscient of blackfuse which I assume is the idea.

[formal flame]

hello, shall i craft Everforged Dagger? Or maybe another one for mainhand?

[keen dome]

A dagger craft is very good but you want to make sure it's the Everforged Stabber, as the dagger is an Int weapon.

[random hare]

2nd boss rookery dps

[formal flame]

of course stabber my bad 😄 shall i use Elemental Focusing Lens for it or maybe something else?

[keen dome]

Sim it but whatever really

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-driving-serious-cat-driving-focus-driving-gif-15519638

[random hare]

need 4p need 4p

asap

!

[vale pine]

then luck on your drops

[round latch]

btw im here to call again Sub's gonna dominate the tier(called it more than a month ago)

thats all

plz continue

[vale pine]

not following

but continue, i like where you are going

[hollow condor]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[random hare]

DUDE

THIS WAS 2 SET

NOT 4 SET

NO WAY

2.14m with this gear

forgot to fix gear

[round latch]

gonna test bleed/hybrid sin specs before testing sub.Sub feels enormous atm

played my mage a bit

[random hare]

ngl sub can do crazy shit in m+

[vale pine]

i am actually not sure how strong rogue is

[random hare]

o fyi we didnt pull adds on the 2nd boss too

in m+ it has SUPER crazy st

[vale pine]

we have good burst but at least going from sims

not that great st

so we will see

[keen dome]

Yeah, Sub has some silly numbers in M+ atm. Amp bosses, first boss ToP. Some of the big pulls. It's great.

[random hare]

i did 5m st end of fight on ptr 1st boss motherlode without the goon trinket and no lust

[proven plover]

idk st is insane

in m+

[round latch]

i think sub is stronger than mage atm,least in the low keys,like 8-10s

but everythinng dies silly fast

[proven plover]

I havent seen a single person outdps me so far

[random hare]

mage is super op in higher keys

[vale pine]

i think sub is good in keys atm ye

but also in part because people have shit gear

[random hare]

i never waste my coldbloods anymore in m+

[vale pine]

and transmitter is rly strong still

[random hare]

took me a while to do this well

[vale pine]

looking at some tier sets

20%+ dps gains

i fear this will over the long run have impact on whats considered strong

tho sub bursts, has great survival, brings no parry for the group and a speedy shroud

[proven plover]

and we will get a nerf next week

[granite river]

Sometimes it doesn’t line up in between blade windows no?

[round latch]

there will be more tuning,thats the only thing i actually am afraid of.Blizzard is famous of doiing weird stuff

[proven plover]

u just dont use it

outside cds

[random hare]

it always lines up with blades if u know what ur doing

[sick sand]

can someone link me eleem's thread from tc research I think where he explained all the rotational things

[granite river]

Yeah but in between

[sick sand]

I can't find it

[granite river]

You wouldn’t consider that a waste?

[random hare]

i think sub is very hard to actually fix in m+

i think if u played sub a bit you'd know what i mean by fix

things just dont align well playing randomly

u just have to get ur dances/symbols and cds correctly

[oak grotto]

Is there any substitutes to Augment Rune?

[random hare]

sub is the most fun i've had since s3 DF

in m+ its super fun

like

[proven plover]

its a waste to not CB beefed second sectec in flag sb window

[random hare]

the better u get the crazier it becomes

[proven plover]

so yes

[granite river]

Yeah ik this one

The one in between I skip sometimes bc I don’t want to delay blades in the future

[proven plover]

like it has to be perfectly 45sec after cd window

otherwise its almost impossible to line up

[granite river]

Yeah so sometimes just skip

[round latch]

sub is even crazier in pvp but im not gonna make any spoilers

😅

[proven plover]

I have a strong hunch we will get nerfed next reset

[barren wren]

Crazy good or crazy bad ?

[round latch]

good

u can cheese ppl

alot of burst

[rancid finch]

I wanna switch between Sub and Ass. When crafting a dagger, what stats would y'all recommend?

[proven plover]

mastery versa

[molten citrus]

until reset :/

[round latch]

[rancid finch]

ty

[round latch]

sin doesnt care about stats,u build vers/mast,can play both

[hazy breach]

Whispyr literally sent his craft without missive

[paper iron]

sub got a nerf in pvp recently nah?

[hazy breach]

On reset its getting nerfed in pvp yes

[paper iron]

Like nerfing burst damage by kind a lot but buffed on out of cds burst

[molten citrus]

out of cds burst does not exist

[round latch]

i think its justified

the nerf that is,in pvp

[paper iron]

Assa players smh, whispyr no missives, zerocool intel dagger. Not gonna say more or else i ll get banhammered

[molten citrus]

i think half of it is ok

the other half is dumb as fuck

[round latch]

yup

[hazy breach]

Well moreso because it just doesnt matter rather than it being a mistake

[molten citrus]

didn't someone in rwf craft an int wep this week

[paper iron]

REALLY?

AHAHAHHAAHA

[molten citrus]

ya

[round latch]

zerocool vibes

[molten citrus]

ah nono

it was a healer

they crafted agi and not int

same shit

[paper iron]

hope it s a druid

so he can go feral or something

[molten citrus]

mw

[paper iron]

[proven plover]

lmao

[paper iron]

great

[bleak wind]

has anyone done the underpin ?? difficulty, is that just straight up impossible

bran is dying to air

[paper iron]

havent tried

but already in ? he was dying in 10seconds

[swift tinsel]

I'm probably not gonna give ?? a go until I'm like 650-660

[bleak wind]

don't think gear is gonna do much

he hits you for 2.5mil

[paper iron]

and i cheesed ? , i just keep backpedalling, havent done a single mecanic of the fight

[swift tinsel]

by then Brann should be 20 levels higher and hopefully less paper

[bleak wind]

you need brans potions to live but he dies to literally anything

[keen dome]

bad news

[random hare]

we didnt pull adds on boss+ i was only wearing season 1 2 set

nice pump

[tepid trellis]

now imagine that with warr + shaman buff

[random hare]

the boss is rly bad with downtime

[keen dome]

Yeah, he's so annoying

Blizz let us kidney shot him

[random hare]

whats ur gear looking like stealthi

[tepid trellis]

sending crests in like 1 hour

[random hare]

holy shit

[paper iron]

transmitter user

[random hare]

wtf

[paper iron]

looser

[random hare]

ur stacked out the wazoo

[fallow bone]

Are we not using vanish in the opener any more?

[random hare]

no

wait yes

but not in cds

[fallow bone]

its just gone from the wowhead guide

[paper iron]

u can, but u can also hold it for mecanics and stuff

yea fuu simplified it

[keen dome]

I guess you could say it.. It vanished.

[fallow bone]

ugh

[paper iron]

basically, doing it or nah is the same

[fallow bone]

by mechanics you mean using it as a step?

[paper iron]

so he d rather keep things simpler

[fallow bone]

etc

[paper iron]

well, as a step, as a dodge, as a cancel, as whatever it could be used

as a big cp generator

[fallow bone]

yeah

[paper iron]

if u dont need to hold vanish for a mecanics, it s fine to keep the habit

[fallow bone]

also if im gonna be lazy and macro my trinket is it better to pair it to shadowblades as opposed to flag?

[paper iron]

which trinket?

[fallow bone]

mythic transmitter

[paper iron]

house of card = blades
transmitter = flag

[fallow bone]

i figured transmitter better with flag

k

legend, thanks

[paper iron]

and since u use transmitter, try to keep the habit of the vanish in pull so u have perfect time to activate transmitter buff as you sectech

unless ofc you ll need vanish for a mecanic or w/e

[dim fog]

any chance you could help me out? What am I messing up on the opener?

[fallen fable]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[forest moss]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[vale pine]

tuning seems always to follow warcraftlogs statistics

which isn't that great of a metric

especially i you consider wcl removing certain damage from fights

[old venture]

god ur so hot

[hollow owl]

how do i regaiin energy on sublety ?

[quaint lodge]

You shouldnt be having energy issues inside sd

[hollow owl]

currently doing campaign and not always use sd

[quaint lodge]

Just a rogue problem then

It doesn't get better

[hollow owl]

shiiit

[quaint lodge]

Yea, doing anything as rogue leveling sucks tbh

[vale pine]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[tepid trellis]

you better watch your mouth, or imma show up at your wedding being the one person protesting against your marriage (im taking you for myself)

[steel zinc]

Hey I have a question since we now cb 2nd sectech i noticed I sometimes see my transmitter buff fall off right before the 2nd sectech. Wouldn't that be a bigger loss then cb first sectech?

[tepid trellis]

yes,

dont fuck up the transmitter

[steel zinc]

So since I ain't perfect transmitter gamer I should just cb then first still

[tepid trellis]

the diff is quite small tho i did some transmitter fuckup sims

[steel zinc]

No joke just seems weird

[steel zinc]

What was the verdict?

[steel zinc]

It's just depending on the task and proccs I won't get it sometimes for my 2nd sectech

[round latch]

yeah thats exactly why im ''afraid''

they gonna see sub pumps ST so we are on the choppin' block

[oak grotto]

What poisons for m+?

[round latch]

its not like sub has many

[vale pine]

instant + atrophic or mind numbing

atrophic typically in higher keys and numbing in the usual ones

[steel zinc]

What exactly is to early. Just meaning don't have the buff for the 2nd sectech right?

What would it be to send sectech with cb first

Like the change to screw up is big imo especially with the floating orb

[vale pine]

the sim iirc uses it with flagellaiton

[steel zinc]

I try to Pop transmitter buff right before 1 sectech but that is not possible all the time

Like in my mind it's better to get the buff then lose a whole transmitter

[forest moss]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[forest moss]

am i supposed to be fitting in 2 dances + symbols in-between flag/sb?

[keen sinew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel zinc]

Yes

You go b2b dance and your 2nd symbols you just send in st to supercharge the 2nd sectech

[vale pine]

yes, you want to use 2 dances back to back during flagellation

[forest moss]

sorry i mean when flag/sb are on cooldown

[vale pine]

you align your cooldowns around secret between the 90 secounds

[heavy moat]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

so typically will use one time symbols-dance - secret

someitmes two times, but most of the time only once

it depends on how much of your cooldowns you have

because you always want to have enough to use 2x symbols and 2x dance during the 90 secound ones

[round charm]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[tame stone]

guys do you craft dagger cuz of the ilv? or boots/cloak?

[vale pine]

dagger

[tacit quarry]

What ilvl dagger do we craft?

[stoic flower]

The best one you have access to (gilded ideally)

[paper iron]

675

cost 60 glided

[tacit quarry]

I thought we could do 675, but wasn't sure and hadn't found the answer lol. Thank you

[paper iron]

something like this if u want focusing lens embellish

[hoary dawn]

repair your dagger

[oak grotto]

Is there any way to fit Replicating shadows into your talents

[paper iron]

what, i dont need to recraft one each time it s broken?

damn u gonna save me some crests

[molten citrus]

both wowhead builds have it

[oak grotto]

Damn

Then why I do not it is my question

Im playing Weaponmaster instead

Damn

[paper iron]

no weaponmaster in m+

[oak grotto]

I see that wowhead uses Ephemeral bond instead of Execution

But is that just personal pref

[paper iron]

where is that

oh, yea personnal preference i guess

[oak grotto]

Below to the right of Shadow Blades

[paper iron]

Kinda like the healing on finisher, it s like leech. Since the healer i run with never target me 😠

and in case, for raid u just do that and you re a happy frog rogue

[tepid trellis]

@random hare sent my crests, im still wearing 3 old tier items, Neck, Wrists and trinket

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2MrnjgQbcCT5XZtTmc3LSR

[paper iron]

Don t welcome my paint skills, i know it s impressive

[molten citrus]

how much healing does that usually do? have been curious. 8% healing rec. inc. is strong

[paper iron]

lemme check

[tepid trellis]

over a +10 priory

[paper iron]

10 darkflame

no tier set so no super empowered finisher

which impact it by a lot i guess

why is my circe in heals

oh that s pala ring apparently, idk why but good

[molten citrus]

And what was healing received looking like

[tepid trellis]

217mil from my driod

druid*

[paper iron]

i didnt take a single heal from an enhance? They dont play AG anymore?

[granite river]

AG gone brother

[paper iron]

WHAT

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[paper iron]

shaman is dead

the only class below rogue in healing done now, gg

[tepid trellis]

🤏

[keen dome]

I'm gonna catch up. I'm gonna get you. In three weeks.

[placid tendon]

show equipped 😄

[keen dome]

We will not be discussing my equipped iLevel today.

[placid tendon]

equipped is 5 levels lower for me atm, you?

[keen dome]

Only 3, haha

[molten citrus]

Same

[keen dome]

Damn, big bag

[paper iron]

u guys op

[hazy breach]

generally the increased healing is better in raid and the shield is better in m+

[keen dome]

I keep getting slots I either can't use, or slots I don't want

[paper iron]

but also u guys jealous

[keen dome]

Damn, heart of the cards

[hazy breach]

Nimble doesnt proc it, but whenever you BP the shield is insane

[molten citrus]

Yeah they actually look pretty well balanced against each other

[paper iron]

oh it procs on all the bp hits?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[paper iron]

i would think it was proccing only on a single bp hit

for some reason, i assumed blizzard did it this way

[hazy breach]

Not on nimble though, only the main evis

[keen dome]

I didn't realize it did it on all the BP hits, that rules

[haughty mural]

Got an hc track mecha-core amplifier
Procced haste during cooldowns

[median nacelle]

hey realz, can u make aoe blind work if used on one of the affix targets too? thanks and thanks for fixing the other bugs too, appreciate u, talk soon

[paper iron]

Hey realz can u uncap and 50% aura buff outlaw at the same time? Than you for fixing the spec, love u, hope you ll come back one day

[placid tendon]

asking for a bit much now

[paper iron]

the part when i hope he ll come back? Yea that s a bit too much i know 😔

[haughty mural]

Rework KS for you guys not more important than uncap ?

[placid tendon]

how about a tap of the wrist nerf?

[quiet smelt]

what is the backstab cast for after cd dump ?

[paper iron]

KS must be deleted and trickster totally rework for outlaw, it s just pain of a concept in modern wow

[paper iron]

that s for macabre stack, its does amplified most of the finishers in dance so that s a win

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[haughty mural]

Me thinks trickster is fine - it’s just ks which kills it ..no?

[placid tendon]

danse macabre stacks

[keen dome]

Can I introduce you to a concept called: posion toggle. The real trouble gripping the modern rogue today. In this ted talk I will

[quiet smelt]

i see thanks

[paper iron]

i mean, trickster is still weird cause coup lock u for 1s gcd, meanwhile the specs works at 0.8s gcd. It feels bad

[haughty mural]

Ah true yea

You have that going

[quiet smelt]

is the rupture normall worth as first finisher in aoe like this or better to use evis then vanish ?

[haughty mural]

I hope they will make you guys great again

[molten citrus]

Just press it again 🤓

[vale pine]

it is for a stack of DM

[paper iron]

but yea, KS doesnt work in modern wow, and with current outlaw iteration which is apm apm apm, it kills the flow of the spec, as it also kills u but enough pirate talking, this is hiding in a bush talking

[keen dome]

KS should be a button that uncaps and buffs your AoE.

The "This is my final form" button

[haughty mural]

One last thing: wouldn’t it work to replace ks with bladerush ?

[paper iron]

KS should be replaced with Gankplank ult from league, that s my thought

[median nacelle]

yoyo, what embelish for dagger craft

[keen dome]

Okay but only if they bring back cannon barrage

[median nacelle]

m+ only

[haughty mural]

Wait till Legion classic then you’ll have it

[median nacelle]

ascension?

[paper iron]

not really, it doesnt generate cp/spend cp, which is the core thing of outlaw rn cuz of cdr and adr uptime. Also br does no damage (even tho it s uncapped)

[placid tendon]

play int trinket from cinderbrew, so you can e as well

[spice saffron]

is it worth telling my team to delay 2nd damage amp on last boss rookery for flag. or do we just send 2 dances into the 2nd and flag 1st and 3rd?

[paper iron]

yo actual genius, lemme auto my barel

[haughty mural]

Reworked as a finisher like ks is ofc

[paper iron]

either that or u can also send cd on pull, and hold for 2nd phase. In 10's with a guild group (which is kinda stack i admit) we 2 phase it

[paper iron]

it would work gameplay wise i guess, should increase the range of it and delete the charge animation. Idk if it would feels great to press tho

[haughty mural]

I see

[placid tendon]

great idea honestly, then we can start complaining about tanks moving mobs out of it

[paper iron]

as long as crackshot is a thing, and god it s so good that it exists it s just the best asmr ever made on the internet, idk if we would like to press another thing than bte / dispatch

[molten citrus]

You kinda want Duskthread linings for m+

Not that embellishments matter either way

They’re all garbanzo

[midnight folio]

i remember we had a string before to sim all the consumables, is the relevant version somewhere around?

[foggy egret]

hey guys with CB, whats the reason you dont just macro it anymore and use it for second sec tech? 4 piece stacks?

[hazy breach]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[paper iron]

So many good commands in this channel

[foggy egret]

so it will be more of a decision depending on cds and flawless form rather than just always second sec tec

[paper iron]

during cds

it s always 2nd tech

u prepare everything for it

[tired hound]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[paper iron]

and u dont really press cb outside of CDs, unless you re sure it will be ready for next set of cds

i preshot that, it s a lot asked

[median nacelle]

does any1 know when we replace the siren isle ring

i have hero track rings

[jaunty heath]

When sims tell you to replace it

[delicate rover]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[copper dove]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[full acorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn tulip]

better Ironclaw Whetstone or Bubbling Wax for m+?

[vale pine]

both is about the same

but whestone is more consistent and don't need to be farmed

so most people prefere it

[bright elk]

think sub is gonna get nerfed? Im 641 equipped with low ilvl season 1 tier and im pumpin in m+

feels like its pretty strong

with no on use^

[alpine wraith]

well if by strong you mean doing 200k less than others kinda

we are very strong vs tanks

but also VERY DECENT

at that ilvl bracket

more nerfs are not likely

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

don't see why sub would get nerfed

the nerf they did already felt weird

[keen dome]

Maybe they'll buff us.

Sixteen thousand damage to the purple rogues

[bright elk]

Im just feelycrafting, in M+ im outdpsing people 8+ ilvls ahead of me with 4piece

or keeping up with them at least

feels like nimble flurry is op

[vale pine]

surely

[keen dome]

I want MORE crits

[hazy breach]

I think the best case scenario for us is that theres some nerfs to other classes

[alpine wraith]

in m+ we do have more leeway but also it is very skill dependant

on where you use cds

[long swallow]

!dance

[hazy breach]

I honestly dont think theyll change anything more about sub, but i could be wrong

Tuning wise this tier/race

[tepid trellis]

ret needs their AoE dmg tuned down

that shit does UNETHICAL

[keen dome]

I'm curious how we feel in 3 - 4 weeks as more people get gear. But I am extremely happy with my own performance so far. Absolutely blasting is so much fun

[tepid trellis]

amounts of dmg

[valid flame]

if I have a coup proc up when I press symbols/dance do I hit evis first and then sect tech?

[tepid trellis]

normal dances yeh

cd dances you wanna sectech first

to fit two inside of transmitter/blades

[valid flame]

ah makes sense, ty!

[hollow spear]

Yeah, don't think we'll get nerfed

And anecdotal evidence of pumping harder than others might just be them being shit or you being a pumper haha

[hazy breach]

Ye i havent really played with many good players besides fire mages so im not entirely sure whats poppin

[hollow spear]

And our scaling is actual ass

[hazy breach]

But sub definitely feels really solid if youre route is not awful

[tepid trellis]

shit has dmg 24/7

like he wont do my peak dmg

but while im doing 12-13mil

on big pulls

he does 10

[hollow spear]

They always melt the shitters crazy fast

[tepid trellis]

and when im out of cds doing like 5

he does 8

its wild

[bleak wind]

I've seen them do 4.1-4.2mil in cinderbrew its disguisting

[tepid trellis]

cinderbrew is good ret key aswell

they do insane low target cleave dmg

[hazy breach]

Sub def feels a bit oof on bigger pulls. Or rather it feels like its way stronger when you can just nimble

[tepid trellis]

and they dont have to care 1 bit about routing at all

they just perma blast

[alpine wraith]

at least on big pulls you feel immortal

thx to ruptures and bps with exhil

[molten citrus]

Those people could just be… not great

[alpine wraith]

nothing like getting hit with toll for 5m then healing it all in 2 bps

[hollow spear]

Maybe im elitist, but I feel like a class that simple shouldn't be pumping that hard

[tepid trellis]

yeh, thats ehm

[alpine wraith]

well ret is also very tanky

[keen dome]

I've seen a lot of rets who don't pump hard at all. I think it's fine that people can play it well and do big dam.

[tepid trellis]

tbf like to minmax ret in keys

to actually do insane dmg

is not "that" easy

[hollow spear]

True

[tepid trellis]

needs perma combat

[hollow spear]

But compared to sub

If I make a wrong decision about sending

[tepid trellis]

its like the worst group i couldve done m+ with

[alpine wraith]

yea i was talking with some people and it is going to be a very sad season

[tepid trellis]

we are both upfront bursters

[alpine wraith]

everyone wanting to be in combat 24/7

[tepid trellis]

so small shit dies instant

[alpine wraith]

because of kezan and house of cards

[tepid trellis]

and id like to get TFD resets for cds

[hollow spear]

Kiss your tfd good bye guys

[tepid trellis]

but he doesent want combat drop so we perma chain, and in some dungeons its fine

[hazy breach]

Thats why you have vanish

[tepid trellis]

if we can constant pull like 6-7 mobs

[alpine wraith]

it is still good

it is just so sad

[tepid trellis]

but in cinderbrew its garbage

[swift tinsel]

started gearing my dh and its obscene fun, I feel guilty lol

[keen dome]

Well I guess they are purple..

[vale pine]

ret always had some rly strog parts/tuning ever since the rework

it is part of the expectation by now

[hollow spear]

And now they buffed bm, so even the ranged rets get to have fun

[tepid trellis]

also i will note that the ret im playing with 656

and has 4set

[vale pine]

keep in mind that we by now have like 1/3rd of the melee dps on ret or so

[tepid trellis]

so he is geared to the teeth

[molten citrus]

It feels so weird going from a few hrs on DH to a non double jumping class

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah I spacebar and think my game is lagging lol

[alpine wraith]

but he does not even have M weapon yet

[vale pine]

like

[alpine wraith]

aaay+

[swift tinsel]

jeeeeeez

[molten citrus]

I swear that shit makes me want to go dracthyr

[vale pine]

ret has double the amount of players of the 2nd most palyed melee

[alpine wraith]

popular spec

helps they also can tank and heal

[tepid trellis]

he has 2x super rare items

[vale pine]

subtlety in comparison

[swift tinsel]

and have crazy utility with blessings

[tepid trellis]

wep + ring

[alpine wraith]

for real lul

[molten citrus]

Ooh havoc getting more popular now too?

[alpine wraith]

dh is very good now ye

[vale pine]

i am actually surprised how high rogue is

[molten citrus]

Wasn’t its representation low last tier

[vale pine]

in terms of player count

[swift tinsel]

havoc with new inertia trigger is actually quite fun

a lot more predictable which some might not like but it makes gameplay feel pretty smooth

[crimson ember]

Stupid question, but outside flag, how many Shadow Dance + Symbols of Death can / should you weave in? Or does it not matter as long as you have two ready for Flag?

[umbral topaz]

!sd

[tepid trellis]

depends if its AoE or single target

[hollow spear]

Probably helps that subtlety pumps with low ilvl

[crimson ember]

@tepid trellis ST

[tepid trellis]

2-1-1-2-1-0-2

1s and 0s being your dance + SoD

2s being flag+blades

[hollow spear]

Scaling is so meh tho, if you droptimize on rogue compared to warri you get very sad

[tepid trellis]

wdym hc is great

[crimson ember]

@tepid trellis So I can weave in 2 Dances + SoD between the first and second Flag/Blades then? If I understand correctly? And only one between the second and third?

[tepid trellis]

third should again be 2

it repeats itself

[hollow spear]

I hope the scaling issue becomes apparent before 11.0.5 hits

[crimson ember]

Ah my bad, the 0 confused me. @tepid trellis Is there any sort of "timer" to keep in mind? For when to optimally use the Dance + SoD outside Flag/Blades?

[tepid trellis]

just comes from muscle memory really

[rugged condor]

Don't you have to send 3x dance 4x sod on your 2nd cd usage, then back to 4x dance 4x sod

Or just 4 all the way

[hazy breach]

Classes dont really "scale" different nowadays, thats mostly a meme

[crimson ember]

@tepid trellisThanks for the help.

[vale pine]

haha yes, turns out that buffing baseline makes us good early on ^^

[keen dome]

Can they do it again

[vale pine]

scaling in the traditional sense rarely matters

[keen dome]

Just every few months "hey we buffed Sub by 10%

[alpine wraith]

not scale per se but we just begin higher then they go higher

[shell willow]

Typical for a vers class. As long as blizz is aware and tunes accordingly no concerns.

[swift tinsel]

it they waaaaanted to turn our Streak buff to 3-4% per stack I wouldn't be mad

[hazy breach]

No

[vale pine]

what is "scaling" now is things like:

• How much gain from tier set
• How much upgrade from weapon upgrades
• How much damage gain from special effect items
• How much gain from trinkets

[patent surge]

Is this any good campared to tt？

[vale pine]

pure stats are rather whatever

[hazy breach]

Way worse

But better than 2 minutes

[patent surge]

Thanks

[molten citrus]

isn't it barely behind heroic transmitter?

[alpine wraith]

at 658 it is barely better than 619 transmitter

but guess what it is better than priory/skardyn

[twilit phoenix]

does sectech not hit the first boss rook

when he/s in the middle

[alpine wraith]

yea

[warm marlin]

have you seen the new raiderio m+ stats

[alpine wraith]

it hits

[keen dome]

My 658 PvP trink simmed 10k~ worse than my TT at 619. And I think Scath said it was something like 0.2% worse than Heroic? (They're so close in Agility anyway)

[alpine wraith]

that is a bit more than double

[keen dome]

But I imagine Mythic is just way stronger

[vale pine]

i mean i did a lfr with my gf

and 3-4/5 classes in each group in lfr ended up being paladin

[warm marlin]

ya that spec has an absolute chokehold on the lowertier population

[shell willow]

its easy, flashy and the mogs are dope cant blame them

[keen dome]

Yeah, every heroic pug I was in today had 5 - 7 Paladins lmao

[molten citrus]

the paladin and priest cabal

[keen dome]

I don't think I've seen another rogue in the raid since day 1 on normal

[molten citrus]

i lost a tie roll to one

💀

[keen dome]

damn.

rip 😦

[vale pine]

rogue is the usually least populare class

outside of probably evoker

but evoker is out of the comparison because its too new

[keen dome]

And was also 1 per server for an entire? expansion

[jaunty umbra]

nobody touches aug anymore

[swift tinsel]

and now that aug is in the dirt it'll be even lower

[vale pine]

the fun thing about rogue is

we have occacionally new rogeus in our guild

but not one time was the new rogeu subtlety

[keen dome]

S A M E.

It's always Assa here and they never stick around.

[viral phoenix]

TRUE

[vale pine]

outalw too

i think all 3 rogue specs have their appeal

[keen dome]

Yeah

I like it whenn they're all competitive

[vale pine]

outlaw is kind of in a bit of a dire spot with lower chances of getting played currently

[proper latch]

How do you open on Rik Reverb?

[vale pine]

it could benefit of having a execute like warrior

[keen dome]

evasion

[mental kettle]

just give outlaw long arms back

ill even play KS trickster shit

i beg

[vale pine]

you can evasion the ground bound on rick, easy cheese fight

[keen dome]

Yeee

[vale pine]

apperently tier set bug was fixed

[viral phoenix]

outlaw's rlly fun rn ks trickster is fun if it doesnt kill you or make you nauseous

[vale pine]

so no more detection spam in intermission

(i am happy about that)

[proper latch]

You mean I can evasion amplifier hit?

[keen dome]

Yeah

[mental kettle]

idk, with KS you need to track more shit to use it properly

im not a fan of min maxing ks

[viral phoenix]

i get that i find it satisfying sending a coup before a fat BTE window

[twilit phoenix]

did wow just bork for anyone else?

[swift tinsel]

fine for me

[warm ibex]

whats good overall dps for 8-9s

[mental kettle]

are you meant to track CDG?

[split tide]

I am new and back to sub rogue and having difficulties ending 1.7M at mythic dungeon with item lvl 644 no set items. My question is do we have very different dps when we got set items ?

[sick sand]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal finch]

Anyone know of some good m+ sub players to watch?

[split tide]

casualaddict

[viral phoenix]

i believe so its a gain to send coup before bte window for flawless stacks

and something like dont use vanish if ks is 30 seconds or fewer away (assuming no ar drop)

outlaw and sub bis trickster just fun

[delicate rover]

Woo managed to get gallywix down last night

Normal but still I’m an old fuck and I rarely get to do modern content

(Last raid I did when appropriate was black rock foundry mythic lmao )

[gleaming geyser]

Grats! Taking our first bash tonight 🙂

[delicate rover]

Suggestion: have one person be in charge of the bomb and toss the rest
It’s easier for everyone on normal at least

[random hare]

got 4 set

we are unlocked bois

[split tide]

does set items give us very different dps ?

[delicate rover]

I’m hoping to get a tier piece on Tuesday so I can upgrade my heroic piece into a four set

[alpine wraith]

big 4 set you will notice

remember to stop inting bps/evis at the end of pulls

[vale pine]

XD

still have a lot of that stuff

[hollow spear]

I mean, they obviously do. You can argue if that's "scaling" in the traditional sense or give it a different name.

[oak grotto]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[hollow spear]

But if classes perform almost on par before they get ilvls/new items and end up 10% apart from each other when in full BiS, what would you call that?

[oak grotto]

Is there any macros or anything that prevents you from doublepressing Symbols of Death

[viral phoenix]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[viral phoenix]

ah

what is it!

[hollow spear]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[dry plank]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[hazy breach]

What makes you think they perform on par before they get ilvls

Havoc and warrior were higher before that too

Since i assume youre talking about sims

[void ocean]

lol this pvp trink can be upgraded with crests 😄

[viral phoenix]

what is the backstory for this macro? season 1 backstab in shadow dance rule?

[granite river]

should dance not be first in the macro ?

[spiral needle]

Why do people cast secret tech before shadow blades?

[granite river]

theres a delay between pressing sec tech and when the clones hit, so you can min max that by not pressing blades till after, allowing more globals in blades window

[hollow spear]

iirc the relative performance delta opened up quite clearly when comparing at baseline 639 and then again at 678

might be wrong though, I haven't simed for a while

Talking of sims: this at 658 seems to be simming on par with the two best passive M+ trinkets at 665

My brain just can't handle the thought of getting 4k haste 😅

[hardy agate]

Does it make sense to catalyst 2 piece if we got a tier piece out of raid? Or should we wait wednesday vault

[hollow spear]

4pc or bust

I'd just hold

[hardy agate]

^good call

im in holiday for a week anyway, but im greedy 😄

[jaunty umbra]

there's no point of catalyzing this week, unless you're pushing mythic or smth

[warm ibex]

just play how you want. youll have a few months to push whatever you do

[spark tusk]

That's how I treat all of my stuff

[dim stream]

how elemental focus embelish is working
and i am playing sub mostly for m+ which weapon embelish is good ?

[spark tusk]

I don't catalyst until doing so completes at least 4/4 hero track tier, andI don't use valorstones to upgrade unless I'm basically capped

[dim stream]

i cant see it's damage on details

[molten citrus]

do you have a stat gem socketed?

[dim stream]

i have 1 primery and others are versa-mast

[molten citrus]

oh so you have vers/mast gems

then it should proc ye

[dim stream]

idk i cant see that on details as a damage

[molten citrus]

it would just be under Elemental Focusing Lens

on details

[frigid prawn]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[dim stream]

no there is none

[molten citrus]

well

the embellishment def works, dunno what the issue could be

[dim stream]

versa mast gem says earth sapphire

[pastel rampart]

are u using current expansion gem?

[dim stream]

y

[pastel rampart]

whats it called?

[dim stream]

is it wrong?

if it is i feel very bad

[pastel rampart]

that is a dragonflight gem

[shy scarab]

With the new 4set we want to use a naked SOD with secret to get the 4set buff longer at cooldowns right? At 1min mark ish

[molten citrus]

[pastel rampart]

current mast/vers is "versatile onyx" and reverse is "masterful sapphire"

[dim stream]

hahahah

bro it is a shame

sorry for that guys, thx for info

[left ledge]

Dw bro I need to ask the name of the gems and enchant every single time

Don’t be ashamed these names not memorable at all

[mental flume]

!FU

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[whole abyss]

for cyrces ring, is what the guide says for the 3 stones bis for ST and M+? ( stormbringers, fathomdwellers, and windsingers)

[vale pine]

yes

2nd pin has simulations

[limpid vessel]

is shadow dance always used after symbols ?

[vale pine]

but we will replace the ring once we have a higher item level

[vale pine]

yes

or well

not always technically

because in the 90 secound window you will use the 2nd dance back to back

and symbols after the 2nd dance charge

[limpid vessel]

oh so during the burst its insta dance back to back instead of waiting for symbols

[slate basin]

Anyone have a WA to remind them to prep supercharger after a rez?

Cause I am forgetting until pull timer a lot

[shy scarab]

@kindred olive With the new 4set we want to use a naked SOD with secret to get the 4set buff longer at cooldowns right? At 1min mark ish or?

[alpine wraith]

you can drop set with secret

so what you said makes no sense

[strange chasm]

I dont think 4set impacts rotation or gameplay

[void ocean]

so guys about this pvp trinket, do we use it on cd and have it for every 2nd flag/blade or we delay it?

[shy scarab]

Thought i read somewhere you send only sod+secret due to 4 set

[vale pine]

yes, wrong fuu ^^

[shy scarab]

So you can extend it longer

[tame stone]

does anyone play with something like

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Backstab

for the dance macabre? i always forget to use backstab

[vale pine]

but you rarely want to use symbols blank

[shy scarab]

Ahh pkei thought i read it somewhere..

[rough rivet]

would the random stat ring be better than the top ring if it rolls high vers/low mastery?

[void ocean]

anyone?

[open coral]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7fnX1VjNYRQ7kknRbDr65Q this cant be right, right?

1k less agility on use -90k st dmg

623 transmitter vs 655 pvp trink

[lilac stag]

Blades only unless it’s up and you won’t have another blades before boss dies.

[void ocean]

tnx

[lilac stag]

Our none blades cd windows aren’t “worth” missing a blades window

Np!

[molten citrus]

Delay

[old kayak]

sometimes ork racial not pops with my blades macro because of lag

[random comet]

I’m a bit sus about the ovp trinkets too, on paper a big agi buff should be really nice tied in with kingsbane for assass should be good but it sims way behind

[old kayak]

did happens to you guys ?

[molten citrus]

What scath said

[rough rivet]

just because i looked at your sim... you can upgrade your second ring "for free" - get the gems out of circlet, delete it, buy a new circlet put that on ringslot 2 and you can upgrade your ring to 658 for valorstones

[molten citrus]

It doesn’t work with assa properly afaik

In sims

[open coral]

i did that, and i got it back to first week ilvl

and i had to item restoration

[random comet]

Ok, thought I was going nuts

[open coral]

and didnt work to get free upgrade

[void ocean]

wait... WHAT

[rough rivet]

oh, i did not unlucky i guess 😄

[molten citrus]

Iirc whispyr said it was only sending trinket with DM and not with KB on 1minutes inbetween DMs

[open coral]

its fixed

doesnt work anymore

[rough rivet]

ah didnt know that mb

[random comet]

It’s pretty easy to farm the conq so maybe I’ll grab it anyway

[molten citrus]

You sure about that?

[open coral]

from multiple guildies atleast

[molten citrus]

They fixed crafted daggers/rings but circlet trick was still working yesterday

[open coral]

some ppl say its rng

it works for some, and others not

[rough rivet]

worked for my entire guild yesterday

[open coral]

did not for me 😦

same with weapon swap, its also fixed

[void ocean]

maybe its some NA/EU thing

[mint swift]

This raid looks fun on sub

[shy ermine]

Weapon swap is definitely fixed

[molten citrus]

We’re not talking about crafted ring

[open coral]

i know