subtlety

[paper iron]

who else wears mastery vers?

[warm marlin]

the boe ones are vers mast i think though

[paper iron]

Brewmaster, sub, who else?

[warm marlin]

at least there's that

[lilac stag]

Heroic max Gobfathers is an upgrade over crafted

[modest river]

what are the 3 citrine gems to use for st and aoe?

[warm marlin]

ick

[lilac stag]

It’s 6k mastery. Ick what.

[warm marlin]

icky haste

[lilac stag]

wahwahwah learn to use droptimizer

[warm marlin]

more realistically ick because unlikely to get that

[lilac stag]

Or just make your mythic neck and call it a day

[random hare]

oh btw

i think

this fucking boss probably has different ball rules

like

i see them trying not to crash adds and players at all

[polar schooner]

is there any macro that would stop a double press of SoD? LOL

[slate lantern]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[random hare]

@hazy breach

any way to proc the 2nd unseenblade on key start instantly?

before 1st sectec

i swear i do like 5m less dps if i dont

[hazy breach]

Nope

it resets

[random hare]

like i do proc it sometimes

and sometimes i dont

[hazy breach]

Yeah if you dont it sucks

Because your sectech gets delayed because no coup

[random hare]

its just rng or can i sectech pre key?

[hazy breach]

So your second coup isnt in dance

[random hare]

did u try htat?

[hazy breach]

I have not but i'd expect that to reset, maybe im wrong

Go ahead and try

[random hare]

im 100% sure i had 2 unseenblades before some of my 1st pull keys

trying to figure out what triggers it

[hazy breach]

I mean its just rng

Its 4.5 rppm and you have like 10 seconds to proc it

[random hare]

what are the chances to proc the 2nd unseenblade

[hazy breach]

Often its gonna happen

[random hare]

because 1st is guaranteed right?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[random hare]

and 2nd any % on the odds?

ph

oh

[hazy breach]

4.5 rppm

[random hare]

i see

so i kinda need to pre key snd

to kinda hope it resets

wait so pre key snd is way bigger than i thought

holy shit ok

[hazy breach]

Can open with a evis also since most pulls arent instantly grouped

Its not really big no

[random hare]

ye open with evis true

[paper iron]

Zero dont bring prepull sheningans to sub

[random hare]

i bring prepull shenanigans to all specs

[hazy breach]

Zeross

What do you think of this

[paper iron]

LOL

[random hare]

this shit is cooked tho

it got nerfed

in ptr

it was MEGA op

[paper iron]

u irl zero

[random hare]

yea

thats me

real and true

i had 3 red bulls today actually

and 1 pour over v60

20g coffee

kinda mega high on caffiene today

[hazy breach]

Well its still simming as good as 678 eye of kezan and pacemaker so

[random hare]

wait is it

[hazy breach]

For ST

[random hare]

wtf

it wasnt simming that well for me vs pacemaker in dslice on ptr

might have to resim

getting that shit on hero track is wild tho on week 1 lmao

[paper iron]

Eleem said ST

[random hare]

mastery tends to not be that insane on st as aoe i could be wrong

maybe its just a sin thing

[paper iron]

sub likes mastery, and it s good that s an agi trinket WITH a mastery passiv

Sounds all that sub wants tbh

[random hare]

HIOKLY

SHIT

LMAO

OMG

@hazy breach

IT WORKS

AHAHHAAHHA

ITS OVER DUDE

[hazy breach]

[molten citrus]

damn so thats a huge delve trinky

[hazy breach]

Probably because its a hidden buff and not an actual buff

[random hare]

ye

[molten citrus]

that and pvp trinket

[hazy breach]

My delve luck is unholy as hell

[random hare]

ok

[hazy breach]

I got knife first map last season too

[paper iron]

So tell me zero, what s the strat?

[hallow sigil]

what works

[paper iron]

[molten citrus]

i think i'm going to buy pvp trinket asap

[random hare]

nothing works

stop @ ing me

ty

!

[hazy breach]

I mean its not really insane

[random hare]

it actually is

it moves ur dps big time for 1st pull

its crazy

[hallow sigil]

what is

[random hare]

u always get lust so u get shadowcrafts alot

[hazy breach]

Using sectech before starting the key

[random hare]

which is really bad to proc that last stack

[paper iron]

i mean we were prerolling 6 die back in DF, which was meaningless but we were stacking them for minutes before key

[hazy breach]

Without using the unseen blades from disorienting

[molten citrus]

you can scroll up and see, js

[cinder axle]

which embellishment do we use on dagger?

[random hare]

i have a pre key tech for every new spec i start playing

kinda tried to get that too for vdh but it was mega fried

that spec's coding is fucked out the wazoo

[hazy breach]

Short answer: Focusing Lens
Long answer: It doesnt matter because theyre all piss weak and the difference is so negligible sims have a hard time differentiating them so do whatever you want

[hazy breach]

Take'em by surprise worked for prepull in DF, moreso for raid rather than prekey though

[paper iron]

!prekey

[twilit phoenix]

!precum

[hazy breach]

If you swapped spec while dance or subterfuge was up you'd get 20s of the haste as assa or sub too

[paper iron]

oh yea i remember that

i bothered like, one afternoon

[random hare]

ok

i found a more degen

prekey

than that

holy shit this one is demonic tho

[honest grail]

Is it normal that my dmg is low on 7+

[bleak night]

[random hare]

holy shit this is actually op

[honest grail]

As soon as I hit black power it feels like someone is pulling my nails out

[strange chasm]

What's the tech

[random hare]

@hazy breach does 4 set still not benefit shadowdmg on sectech?

blizzard likes fixing big shit gonna leave that to my meters popping off

[strange chasm]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[alpine wraith]

it works on sec tech they fixed it

[random hare]

and

15% is still 30% ? @alpine wraith

[oak grotto]

https://gyazo.com/f99d786598baf119a14b05ae8718d87f Would this see any play as sub?

[random hare]

or did they fix that to be 15% only?

[alpine wraith]

reset works as intended on sec tech

[hazy breach]

Its not good no

[alpine wraith]

yea we use 1:30 min trinks

[random hare]

what

[hazy breach]

90 second cooldowns do not line up with a 120 second cd

[random hare]

like u mean

15% x 3?

[alpine wraith]

what no

sec tech only can reset stacks on cast

[random hare]

and blackpowder is x2 15%?

[alpine wraith]

it was coup the one that was tripping

bp also got fixed iirc

[oak grotto]

https://gyazo.com/c8a4daa0080b68690420ac95821ffaac So I guess I'm using this for the entire season more or less

[alpine wraith]

yea for a long time

at least until hc house of cards full upgrade

[random hare]

i need house of cards asap

fuck that trinket man

[molten citrus]

pretty sure you could replace this with pvp badge

[random hare]

dude

ngl

[molten citrus]

would have to sim it

[random hare]

sub is actually crazy once u know alot of shit

in m+

it scales way too high with knowledge

[molten citrus]

you are just growing out of noob mode zeross

[random hare]

when are u guys gonna make a guide in the faq btw

[molten citrus]

ascending

[random hare]

because like

in

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[random hare]

idk what im reading here

3 different guides

[alpine wraith]

yea knowing when to get chargers and tfds is good in m+

[random hare]

which one is even the best one

[alpine wraith]

there is no best one just diff people writing

[steel zinc]

that trinket still broken?

[alpine wraith]

that trinket is very good

as a passive

[random hare]

wtf is tfds

[alpine wraith]

the first dance

[random hare]

ah

and chargers

whats that

[alpine wraith]

supercharger

same as in raid combat in some downtimes

you can use symbols

[random hare]

ye but what are u gonna do with supercharger

[alpine wraith]

to get extra powerful finishers

[random hare]

yea i know but

whats special about it

that u need to know for m+

[alpine wraith]

like from ToP from side to side

[random hare]

ah

ye

[alpine wraith]

you can get 1 symbols and on workshop on the stealth thingy

or when the robot takes you to the last part

[random hare]

idk probably just top

[grizzled wharf]

Are we supposed to send a naked symbols in between blade cd? I feel like I’m getting to my second set of blades and I only have 1 dance available, am I doing it wrong?

[random hare]

cuz u usually just rupture and supercharged rupture isnt that strong is it

can be decent i guess

[alpine wraith]

rupture is the most damage per cp if mob survives

[random hare]

it scales per cp yea?

[alpine wraith]

duration

[steel zinc]

no duration

[alpine wraith]

a 10 cp ruptures lasts like 40 secs almost

that is very big damage

[steel zinc]

that on prio target its well over

buit nothing lives long enough for 40 sec

[alpine wraith]

you can also just strike flag then go into cds

[random hare]

my rupture is lasting 58 seconds

[alpine wraith]

and you get 2 extra powerful ones or 4 depending on downtime

[random hare]

not bad

that rupture probably ruptured someone's ass

holy shit 58 is long

didnt know it can go up that high

[paper iron]

@random hare u dont have house of cards?

loser

[alpine wraith]

unless you have a giga split rogue wont get house of cards

everyone gets some wins

we need a M one and the win is not even that big

[paper iron]

no splits big win because everyone else wasnt sure about it

Also i had a 629 transmitter and i said i will replace it only with mythic house so that s sure not lost

it s cozy to not have to do tasks anymore

[alpine wraith]

big

stole that one under their noses

the little shits

[paper iron]

i deserve it

i havent seen a single transmitter

[alpine wraith]

true

[paper iron]

until last vault of the season

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072566287638728786/1346770405255413800/image.png?ex=67ce026e&is=67ccb0ee&hm=327099db89987627b2aebec1d4f9808675e2fe0833c1c34b0a6e96ab3aae8723&

so i couldnt even upgrade it

[ornate quest]

fun

I still havent gotten rid of my transmitter

[thorny zodiac]

is there any WA or addon that can tell you how many enemys ur currently engaged in/in combat with?

[frigid prawn]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[celest night]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[brisk raptor]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[delicate rover]

Okay am i blind? im reading the sub guide and im not seeing anything about using shuriken in single target were y'all just talkin out your butts or somethin?

[hazy breach]

I dont think anybody has mentioned that

[delicate rover]

it was being talked about yesterday

[civic oyster]

would neck be a good second craft since there aren't any vers/mast options that I'm seeing?

[delicate rover]

oh disregard that was me misreading fuu lool

[molten citrus]

That is something unique to Deathstalker and I’m not sure that sub even does it or not but assa does iirc

Sub just isn’t playing Deathstalker at all rn anyway

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker does indeed do it, but its only outside of symbols so its not that often

[delicate rover]

Nah i was talking to Fuu yesterday about it and didnt see they mentioned 7+ in their response, Im kay with this.

[molten citrus]

Ahh

[delicate rover]

Trickster feels better anyway ^-^

[brisk raptor]

anyone have a coup de grace weakaura?

[worthy relic]

i just had TFD start counting after i entered combat, so i had the long dance for 2nd shd in flag window. happend twice in the key, is this a known thing? if it is is it reproducable?

[delicate rover]

i am a firm believer that AOe should only be used for aoe. The second its being used for single target stuff, something is wrong with your spec

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

I do not know, but TFD is just incredibly wonky in general

It often takes like 4 seconds or so until it even starts counting

[worthy relic]

im making a clip of it to see if we can find out whats happenign, gonna upload the log too

but my guess from seeing it is that i entered combat the same time it actually started counting

or like reset the count (that count reset is rly annoying sometimes)

[hazy breach]

Ye i know it happened a lot on first boss in grim batol, but he was weird because you could also meld>stealth on him

[alpine wraith]

there are many weird things

[hazy breach]

Theres probably some timing to make it so you get the timings with vanish on non-bosses

[alpine wraith]

depends on your allies too

[spark tusk]

What do you mean?

[worthy relic]

https://youtu.be/WQ_xk3P8T6o

(dont shit on my ui)

[paper iron]

ew what a shitty ui i wont even try to open this clip i cant look at this

Just messing with u, all g everyone use what fit them

[hazy breach]

Ye its really odd

[worthy relic]

been trying to replicate it on a dummy but no success

[hazy breach]

Seems really annoying to setup a controlled environment to test it as well

[tawny thunder]

do you realistically ever black powder in m+ since there is almost always a mob that needs to be killed first in most pulls

[alpine wraith]

bp does a lot of dmg even in st

just remember to use coup even if there are a lot of targets

[tawny thunder]

i see, you still only bp on 7+ correct

[honest grail]

Just had a task that told me to stay on the rails in darkflame first boss

Guess what I did

[paper iron]

you did a good job and didnt greed at all to get your buff afterward i m sure!

Or u learnt and you preplace yourself to make it pop on a safe spot next uses !

Cause we rogue we smart, right?

[leaden prairie]

@hazy breach

all 3 coups hit can trigger the cp refound right

[hazy breach]

Ye

[hardy gull]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[leaden prairie]

ye that shit is seriously annoying me

[alpine wraith]

yea it takes a bit to get used to

you can put a wa like the tornado one for it

helps a bit

[leaden prairie]

I cant get used to it i feel like the rupture talent thing bug is still there

its so annoying idk

[alpine wraith]

yep only annoying thing left

[tidal copper]

Does Black Powder do its damage 8yards from your player or 8 yards from your target?

[valid vault]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[alpine wraith]

on yourself

[tidal copper]

ty

does Shadow

Does Shadow Blades increase the damage of Secret Technique?

[swift tinsel]

Yeah

as long as you cast blades before the clones hit at 1 and 1.3 sec after phys hit they benefit from it

[tidal copper]

ok, so you don't HAVE To press shadow blades before, it can be right after also?

[swift tinsel]

Yep!

[tidal copper]

sometimes my fingers seem to mix them up

[alpine wraith]

the ideal situation is you press it a bit after

[swift tinsel]

you're safe to send it before, with, or after as long as its within the window

[alpine wraith]

so you can fit 1 more gcd into blades BUTR

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[alpine wraith]

if you are not confortable

just ust them before

[tidal copper]

so i'm accidentally doing it the right way

[swift tinsel]

hell yeah

[alpine wraith]

you do have to use it at least 0.4 secs before 1 sec

so you 0.6 or so

[tidal copper]

0.6s after pressent SecTeq?

Shadow Blades is off the GCD right?

[swift tinsel]

Yeah

its off the GCD

[brisk raptor]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[alpine wraith]

brooo stix has 6:30 enrage

[robust igloo]

!WA

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[paper iron]

valeera on her 9381th winstreak

[robust igloo]

where is it?

[paper iron]

secretly hidden in a hidden spot hidden inside the non hidden area of dornogal hidden somewhere in azeroth

(The Corridor, a, well, corridor on north of dornogal. There is a door that open as a rogue that brings u to this hideout)

[robust igloo]

OMGGGG thank you

[ornate heron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8BphxU8Tj2kG62Eaqh79BK

can anyone tell me why 639 skardyns grace is outsimming 655 signet of priory?

doesnt signet do the same thing but better? i dont get it..

[zenith magnet]

cause its better

guess codeword is uptime then

[ornate heron]

but signet gives MORE mastery on same 2 minite cd?

it literally makes no sense

[honest dome]

it gives haste within lust

in the sim

[ornate heron]

ohhhh

does it do that in game as well?

[honest dome]

somehow the trinket doesnt take the highest "stat" but highest %

its weird

[ornate heron]

even in game?

[paper iron]

oooh

didnt know that

so during lust it gives u haste i guess

unless u prepull house of card

or priory for this instance

[kind bluff]

My mastery % is 110 my haste us 4% so that doesn't make sense even running on % haste will never catch mastery

[paper iron]

Try to disable bloodlust in the sim settings maybe

[kind bluff]

So it has to run off raw stat not %

[honest dome]

but bl doesnt give raw stat but %

[ornate heron]

wait.. during lust i have 34% haste and 98% mastery

[alpine wraith]

you need to have enough mastery

but idk

[honest dome]

as i said, its weird

it shouldnt work like that

[kind bluff]

For sure

[ornate heron]

i turned off lust for sim

and its still simming much lower than skardyns

[unkempt basin]

i turned off lust
Wish I knew how to do that

[ornate heron]

its a little check box at the bottom

[alpine wraith]

are you simming it first slot

or second

[ornate heron]

hmmm im really curious why this trinket sims worse even though numerically its just pound for pound better?

[alpine wraith]

maybe it is trying to put it on second slot

[ornate heron]

ok i will swap it

[alpine wraith]

but yea trust it is better

[tidal copper]

Why is Cold Blood ideally used with the 2nd SecTeq during CDs?

[alpine wraith]

just weird

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[alpine wraith]

kinda sameish

you have more flawless stacks and flag stacked up

[fallen fable]

can some1 link me talent M+

is the talents on the guide are the good ?

[tidal copper]

ok, just more stacks

[fallen fable]

for push

[alpine wraith]

also tier set

talents should be same as before

[fallen fable]

i didnt play i was assa

[fallen fable]

thank you

thats for M+ ?

[alpine wraith]

ye

[fallen fable]

thank you hacha

[alpine wraith]

also works for st if fight is not super long

[fallen fable]

whats the point on sub atm ? i readed guide wowhead but there is not prio rota

i mean

not explained

[smoky vault]

Actually the "last" template on top is without cold blood in M+

with vigor and tea ...

[alpine wraith]

you just do your single target rotation unless there are more than 7 mobs

[ornate heron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vRP5DS9SGpA975X14qgY4D

[alpine wraith]

then you weave in a storm

[ornate heron]

still doing it in first slot ... so weird..

[alpine wraith]

then do bps

yea weird trink

[smoky vault]

and vigor + tea feels really smoother on dungeons

[fallen fable]

is it like DF s1

rupture rupture rupture in aoe

then spam technical ?

[alpine wraith]

vigor+tea is less dmg but not a lot

you put ruptures after cds kinda

[smoky vault]

The top sub in M+ according to wclog run this

[alpine wraith]

unless pull is going to be long

maybe he just likes tea

[smoky vault]

I tried, and it's more fluid

xD

[alpine wraith]

well there is nothing wrong with doing less dmg

i also like stacking mastery

no one can stop me

[fallen fable]

hacha did u make an video for the rota ?

or did you see it explained somewhere ?

[alpine wraith]

i did an early one but didnt want to commit for the full one yet

[fallen fable]

didnt played sub for 5 season now

[alpine wraith]

im making it tomorrow

you can check the sheet

it is not as long as a full one

[ornate heron]

i found it guys..

why was the sim written like this?

it uses the trinket at the normal time for skardyns sim at 6 seconds with blade

but on the other sim, it pops it after all the cds wear off randomly at 22 seconds

why would it randomly do that just because i swapped trinkets?

[bleak wind]

if you have 2 on-use trinkets it will use the top one first

[ornate heron]

i have one trinket in both sims

other is passive

[tidal copper]

is it in the same slot in both?

[bleak wind]

link the sim

[tidal copper]

sometimes that messes things up

[swift tinsel]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[ornate heron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ubQWZvKmZja6FjGXuaQNTV

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qzBaCmdsoMqNNRaz5ac6LV

there are the two sims

first one is with signet of priory

and the second one is with skardyns grace

identical talents and rest of gear

only difference is the trinket

[quaint verge]

you guys playing sub or assas for higher keys

sub feels good but not sure if the damage is there

[molten citrus]

the damage is there

[alpine wraith]

looked a bit seems like it is treating pacemaker as an on use

[quaint verge]

kk

[alpine wraith]

when it is passive

dont know how to unkrangle it tho

[bleak wind]

ye looks weird, best guess is something is off with that trinket implementation

[ornate heron]

its just really weird becuase it makes the signet look like a bad trinket

[alpine wraith]

@vale pine @hazy breach when you wake up if you can look at the krangling with priory+pacemaker seems like pace is making the sim use priory at 20 secs or so

[ornate heron]

when its not as bad as the sim says it is.

[chrome palm]

Is the pin updated with regard to backstab in dance? I’m not seeing top logs doing this

[jaunty heath]

Pacemaker is fucked on a lot of specs apparently

Dh fixed something today too

[molten citrus]

They either don’t know or don’t care most likely

[fallen fable]

can we macro shadow blade / dance / and symbol ?

[alpine wraith]

bad idea

[chrome palm]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[alpine wraith]

at most you can macro blades to house of cards

and it is not that one it is one hmm

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[fallen fable]

we keep using Dance with sylbol same time

or we symbol on cd

for energy

[alpine wraith]

you usually use symbols with dance but we move things around sec tech now

[tribal blade]

am i crazy or is the RS bug still there

[alpine wraith]

havent had it once

[bleak wind]

pretty sure coup is on hit as well and it can delay it so maybe thats what you are experiencing

[tribal blade]

mmm maybe, it could also be that i play with ~200 ms

but it definitely to me still feels like i have the RS bug

[tidal copper]

How often is Shadow Dance used outside of Flagellation windows?

Is there something that reduces its CD?

[bleak wind]

yes, spending combo points reduces the cd

[molten citrus]

finishers

yep

[tidal copper]

ok, so I can't just ONLY use it during the big CD window then

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, there's a big of a rhythm to how many dances you can send between flag windows

usually its 2 between first and second flag, and one between second and third, then repeat

[tidal copper]

i just noticed the APL doesn't have any condition to keep an eye on Flag, but it didnt feel like I was doing many flag's without getting 2 dances

[molten citrus]

there's some seconds rules for them

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[swift tinsel]

there kind of is in the "secret" variable actions+=/variable,name=secret,value=buff.shadow_dance.up|(cooldown.flagellation.remains<40&cooldown.flagellation.remains>20&talent.death_perception)

[chrome palm]

Why does the bot not do it then?

[tidal copper]

ah, that explains what that is

[molten citrus]

might not be implemented yet? idk

[swift tinsel]

so using sectech as the send condition for symbols/dance between flags accounts for the flag benchmarks

[molten citrus]

they would not pin a new rule for no reason

[spark tusk]

It's 0.5% and as a player I cba to think about that shit's annoying

just go

[tidal copper]

that explains things then, ty

[swift tinsel]

np np

[tidal copper]

we dont really use any variables like that for WW so I wasn't familiar with how they work

[swift tinsel]

ah, yeah current sub has a ton of if/thens to keep track of that are a bit buried in parts of the APL, just been digging into it myself the last couple weeks

[chrome palm]

Appreciate it I was just confused

[molten citrus]

np, wish i knew more about the raidbots implementation etc but yep

[swift tinsel]

the guys that do the sub APL are actual wizards and come up with some really elegant ways to make the diff parts work

if you wanna add the backstab stuff to the apl its pretty easy

[alpine wraith]

flag is used on cd and conditions are made for other things around it

that is why it does not have lots of things onto it

[swift tinsel]

yeah I could imagine it would get really tough to navigate conditions if they're all baked into one big call

[stoic forge]

a question is the priest PI bad in the rogue subt ?

[lucid jackal]

yep

[bleak night]

would be hard to find a worse target

[lucid jackal]

law

[bleak night]

yeah but who ever sees an outlaw rogue out in the wild

[swift crest]

@lucid jackal question

Considering the temporal synchronization dynamics, has anyone quantified the precise energetic resonance achieved when aligning Symbols of Death and Shadow Dance within the Flagellation debuff window, particularly regarding the measurable impact on combo point generation velocity and subsequent rotational coherence for Subtlety Rogue

[bleak night]

yes

[surreal solar]

some rogue sutly to ask him some things but in Spanish

[uncut juniper]

can I macro dance with symbol? and have another button for manually symbol

[swift crest]

You can indeed employ a unified macro encapsulating Shadow Dance and Symbols of Death, creating a synchronized activation sequence. However, empirical rotational dynamics favor maintaining an additional isolated binding for manual Symbols of Death activation. This approach preserves temporal flexibility, allowing for deliberate energy-phase alignment and optimal cooldown entropy management during rotational variations.

[swift tinsel]

MLG strat

[mental saffron]

This feels pretty good

3 people ties on the 95 roll

[pliant topaz]

Yes

[paper iron]

Gratz on the non jumping and dying to looking for an orb anymore

[paper iron]

did he just jumped off because the mage pulled before him?

xD

[gilded nymph]

how much dps loss is it to macro cold blood to sectec this season?

[lilac stag]

1~1.3%

[remote rapids]

I can't figure out how to get my sims to really do old 4pc vs 2pc + 2pc new/old? I have two items, select each to be cata in sims, but it just doesn't seem to work right. Is mythic old 4pc generally better than 2pc mythic old, 2pc new heroic base level?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/snNPghDbNXvLtEuKkru1CE

[paper helm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

Check the pins. Sub 2pc is shit

[remote rapids]

yeah i knew it wasn't good, but just weird that my sim feels like to me it is not even simming the new 2pc

[twilit phoenix]

chat why is sub rogue so good

[jaunty heath]

because its hella easy 😄

[swift tinsel]

do you have forced 4pc setting on

[remote rapids]

don't think so

i have no clue, when i try to say min 2pc and stuff it says not enough combinations, oh well

oh found it, needed to set the extra cata charge lets see if this works

[lilac stag]

@keen dome moar purple

[hushed pendant]

craft embellishment or not to craft embellishment?

[fallen fable]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate basin]

Extremely new to subtlety, only really played Assas. Is there any reason I would use wound poison in raid?

[jolly pasture]

If boss heals and you need to reduce healing

[kind lagoon]

aka no for 99% of the time

[rocky ocean]

Because dave

[onyx mountain]

Do you think a neck craft is a good move for embelishment?

[dim fog]

can anyone tell me why my Nimble Flurry is so much lower than our other rogue?

me left, him right

[hoary lotus]

not without a log lol

[fallen fable]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dim fog]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/kFAY98qCj3JdGzD2/self?fight=15%2C15&type=damage-done&source=136%2C14

[lilac stag]

How did he manage to have 6 less Sectech casts and do more dmg.

[dim fog]

any help would be appreciated

cuz his Nimble Flurry lol

it's over double mine 😮

I'm sure I'm just fuckin something up but idk man

[lilac stag]

That ain’t nimble flurry mate. That’s Sectech

[dim fog]

oh

you mean more dmg on the casts got it

[hoary lotus]

well your opener is COOKED bud

[dim fog]

what am I fucking up?

[lilac stag]

he did more dmg with 1/3 less casts so without even looking I can tell your you’re not supercharging correctly and just free balling Sectech

[dim fog]

supercharging withi Cold Blood?

[lilac stag]

Stop spamming shuriken storm

Stop spamming rupture

[dim fog]

I do have a bad fckin habit of reapply rups

[twilit phoenix]

ever since I started playing more sub

i started thug shaking more

is that normal?

[lilac stag]

you’re not getting DM stacks. you’re not getting FW on adds. You’re spamming shuriken storm. You’re spamming ruptures.

He’s missing a lot of casts, but playing better in CDs

both have a lot of room to improve

[dim fog]

so quit using storm and rupture as much

[lilac stag]

if that's what you took out of it, sure

even at 635 ilvl your opener should be more than a peak of 3m

[lucid jackal]

Very

[oblique grove]

is there a tier command

[civic lava]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[bright elk]

how much cd left on flag/SB do we want to stop sending dance/symbols and save up?

[young mural]

!gear

where is the gear track thing

!ilvl

!track

!fuckme

[twilit phoenix]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[twilit phoenix]

[young mural]

thank

boutta run them 8s up

delvies

[twilit phoenix]

[molten citrus]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[azure mauve]

it seems energy drink is better than eye of kezan

per ilvl

[dense geode]

why is replicating shadows taken over gloomblade? Is it just numerically stronger

[wild hornet]

[half quest]

how are you getting gloomblade without shadow focus?

[young mural]

NEW BEST FOOD?

COME ON META HUNTERS WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE NEW FOOD META?

[dense geode]

im talking for ST build which just has shadow focus default

[rocky ocean]

you don't need secondary stat if you're dead

[twilit phoenix]

thought this said pocket pussy

[half quest]

The ST in the pin is different

[dense geode]

its the same imp shuriken storm is just for aoe or cleave

[dense geode]

no need for it on pure st is why im asking

[rain stratus]

I assume the backstab optimization is every single time you enter dance right?

[tepid trellis]

yep

[rain stratus]

Feels weird 2nd time in the opener, guess its just a case of getting used to

[ornate heron]

did they figure out why priory + pacemaker was being weird in sims?

[hoary lotus]

if I don't have transmitter from last tier, am I cooked until house of cards or what

I got the honey buzzer but that seems bait as fuck 😮

[rain stratus]

Yes you are cooked until then

[young mural]

youre so cooked

[forest furnace]

has anyone else bugged out in ML where you are constantly being pushed back by wind

[young mural]

yhea, just saw it happen to exile on his stream

[forest furnace]

i think it might have something to do with cloak on the 3rd boss

[keen dome]

Fancy

Glorious big stabber..

[subtle jay]

is there a way to get back in time and stop myself from wasting spark on boots...

[keen dome]

Now you know for next season, at least

[summer peak]

Hey guys is there anywhere I can get a deep breakdown on the mini bursts? Trying to properly understand am I just sending my cds too early and not getting more out of them

[midnight folio]

iirc sec tec doesnt snapshot and dynamically assumes all the "math" after 1 second delay, right?

[vale pine]

thats correct

there is no snapshotting

outside of one exception

cold blood

which works on all parts of the spell

[midnight folio]

thanks!

[rugged condor]

like, are we sure they actually nerfed transmitter twice

how is this real

font of power 2.0

[rocky ocean]

agility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mastery

[subtle jay]

do i just upgrade house of cards to the max ilvl before anything else? asking cuz unable to sim rn

[ornate heron]

@vale pine

[slate basin]

Man Sub is rough to learn

So many different small cd's and buffs to spells

My Ele main brain is struggling

[clever delta]

finally looted smg

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[vernal junco]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[midnight folio]

im so tired of farming for it, it just doesnt drop, and like for 0,3 upgrade at 655 over 626 grace is insane

[ornate heron]

if you put this symbols of death macro right under shadow dance will it stop it from casting symbols twice with the macro?

[sleek vine]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

think priory does not count as stat trinket in simc so possibly gets handled wrongly, i will take a look later atm busy

[slate basin]

I've been reading this guide and practicing. Would any of you know of good videos that explain subtlety opening and rotation and general priorities?

[vale pine]

eleem and hachadino both have videos on their youtube iirc

[hazy zenith]

hey guys, i have downtimes with the sub specc, any idea what might cause that? feels like i am loosing a lot of dmg

[tepid trellis]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[tribal blade]

i hit world #18 sub rogue today SHEEEESH

[hazy zenith]

oh, ok thanks 🙂

[hazy zenith]

gz on that!

[tribal blade]

ty!

[keen dome]

Helllll yeah

Team Sub rogue let's goooo

[tribal blade]

team sub all the way

[short radish]

if it helps

the majority of the time

you are just focusing on your sectech

everything else kinda lines up with it

95% of the time

[slate basin]

That's what I've been slowly feeling out. The opener is starting to click a bit more. But I fuck up outside of it a lot when on training dummy. The timing of when things come up and sending smaller CD's too often and not having double symbols or shadow dance ready for flag and shadowblades coming up

[tribal blade]

a super simple rule you can use is completely stop sending everything ~30 seconds before your next cd set

start banking everything

doing slightly less damage during your down time is way better than going into your next cd set without some thing up

[slate basin]

At that point I just roll builders and evic to keep from capping energy and wait?

[tribal blade]

yeah you farm cdr

just super basic maintain rupture and build>evis/bp

[slate basin]

Is it fine to send sectech less then 30 seconds before CD? Since it gets reduced pretty quickly

[short radish]

if you send with a symbols yeah

[slate basin]

bp?

[short radish]

if you dont send with symbols probably not

[tribal blade]

yes you can if you know it'll be back up before cd set

[tribal blade]

black powder

[tribal blade]

yeah this is true, you'll have a rough time getting cdr on sectec back w/o having symbols along with it

[short radish]

yeah i just tried sending naked sectech

at 30 seconds

[tribal blade]

unless you're in aoe, then you're farming cdr fast

[short radish]

and i was in struggle town

[tribal blade]

in aoe you can be much more aggressive with sending stuff

[slate basin]

Why does Symbols lower the cdr so quickly?

[tribal blade]

you gain more CPs+energy

because of shadowcraft talent

[slate basin]

The secret technique gives that much difference?

[tepid trellis]

twice the amount of ShT stacks

and it gives you energy

[tribal blade]

sending a naked sectec is not that big no

[tepid trellis]

and 2x supercharged finishers

[tribal blade]

oh i forgot about supercharger too yeah

[tepid trellis]

4 sec of extra cdr right there

[slate basin]

Oh, the extra points from supercharger count towards the cdr?

That's good to know

Cold blood should always be used for sectech right?

[tepid trellis]

yeh in the 2nd dance during flag/blades

[slate basin]

Do we not use it during the first for some reason?

[tepid trellis]

more dmg to delay it for the 2nd

higher flag stacks and flawless form stacks

[slate basin]

Gotcha, I think I might stick to just using it macro'd to sectech for now, while I get used to the spec more. I'd imagine getting the other parts right is a bigger deal then using it second? Or maybe I understimate the difference in making it crit with like 20% more damage from flag mastery and flawless dam%

[tepid trellis]

its like 1%

so can def just keep it macro'd for now

[slate basin]

Okay, thank god. Also how do I handle major cd's on 1.5 minutes with a trinket like Skardyns grace on 2 min?

[tepid trellis]

act like skardyns is a 3min cd

[slate basin]

So I just sit on it for a whole minute, lol

[tepid trellis]

yup

[slate basin]

That's horrible, lol

[tribal blade]

you do very low damage outside cds

so it's worth holding it

[slate basin]

I need me a house of cards apparantly

Bad

Would it be worth trying to go farm Princess for transmitter?

Or is that trolling

[tepid trellis]

like mythic transmitter is better than HC House or cards

so do with that information as you will

[slate basin]

Looking at the dungeon agi trinkets, they all seem kind of bad

Signet I guess is a decent on-use

But two minute CD

[keen dome]

You could get the PvP badge trinket as an alternative.

It's a minor loss to a transmitter but if you don't have one then it should be the best choice until you get a HoC?

[slate basin]

How hard is it to get a pvp trinket? I haven't touched PVP in years lol

[keen dome]

Not hard. Just do the weeklies. It's 700 conquest. You can also just farm the boxes in warmode slowly.

[obtuse shard]

this is loss to heroic or mythic transmitter?

[frigid prawn]

I have macroed SoD + SD cuz Im new to the game and it felt its easier to manage like this. Is it possible to use that SoD macro that it can't be used twice in the SoD + SD macro or shall I just learn to have two different buttons for that?

[keen dome]

Normal, Heroic and Mythic but it's not much to even heroic. Just sim yourself to see if it's something you wanna swap too

I personally much prefer it

[short radish]

r4 H mugzee and 0 tier

sub is feeling so fucking good

[keen dome]

Yeah, it does

[short radish]

thanks @vale pine for the new opener

skipping evis is actually so huge

[vale pine]

its a nice qol

[tribal blade]

oh what's the new opener?

[vale pine]

you can just skip vanish-strike in the opener, which is overall simpler

[tribal blade]

ohhhh ok yeah

the queen opener

[hazy breach]

Its not better numerically, its the same just simpler

[keen dome]

I do like simpler

[tribal blade]

yeah yeah cool that's the opener you get to keep vanish with

i do this opener in M+ always

[obtuse shard]

this one wasted 1 charge of supercharge tho

[tribal blade]

nah it doesn't

the prepull symbols is basically back up by the time the pull starts

[obtuse shard]

prepull give you 2 charges

u used one on rupture

[tribal blade]

oh yeah but that's fine

[obtuse shard]

the sectech is the new charge from new sod

[tribal blade]

because you're buliding flag stacks

[hazy breach]

So did the old one

You need rupture up

[tribal blade]

building flag stacks faster in the opener is good

[obtuse shard]

old one you spent 1 on evis right

[tepid trellis]

you can have more than 2 supercharged up tho so it doesent "waste" them

[tribal blade]

1 on evis 1 on rupture

you will always be supercharging your rupture on opener no matter what

[obtuse shard]

but yeah it doesnt matter

[vale pine]

you can have up to 7 supercharger combo points

[tribal blade]

the 2 superchargers you have on pull are "free" anyways

[obtuse shard]

I see

[vale pine]

the 2 pre pull are "only" 2 because every one above would reset on a boss pull

[obtuse shard]

i thought using new sod just remove the old charges

[smoky vault]

You gain two gcd which reduces probabilities to get fucked during the first 20 sec of a boss and you keep vanish in case of mechanics putting you away

[obtuse shard]

I see

[round charm]

Both backstab and shadowstrike generate 2 stacks of macabre? Thought its only shadowstrike

[gentle gyro]

HI
How do you play around Fazed\CtG?
You hold going into bursts even if it means overcapping on SD\Sectec to apply Fazed ?
how long do you hold CtG regarding the same scenario?

So bursts after opener only if I can apply fazed and have CtG up?

[tepid trellis]

every unique ability gives you 1 stack

dance itself gives you 1

[hazy breach]

They should just make backstab turn into strike when you enter dance, but alas that is not how it works rn

[round charm]

Oh okay, was it 2 for shadowstrike in dragonflight? I might be remembering wrong

Thanks though, makes sense to backstab first in dance now

[echo tapir]

Yo yo, new to sub here. When we're spending combo points, do we want to do like we do with assa where 5 is fine (outside of re-activating our Mark) or do we want to spend as high as possible without overcapping to force Sec Tech off CD? What is more efficient?

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[tepid trellis]

nah it never was

[tepid trellis]

6+

[echo tapir]

oh I must've missed that section! thank you!

[short radish]

np

[echo tapir]

I got caught up reading other stuff I suppose

[short radish]

yeah theres a lot there

[echo tapir]

appreciate y'all

[short radish]

👍

[cinder axle]

is it a dps loss if i change 3 and 5? Its just a comfort auto pilot thing that i always Shadowstrike after dance xD

[slate basin]

Huh, there aren't a lot of bis stat items from dungeons this season huh. Rings and weps?

[shy ermine]

if i have cds and coup ready during the fight do i still sectec first finisher in dance before coup? i've been using sectec first because i'm used to deathstalker timings but i'm thinking coup first is probably fine given we get more cdr?

[cinder axle]

Use tech first because coupe gives u more cd back on tech

But if u are not in ur big cd window u can altho use coupe first so u get more stacks of flawless form for a big tech hit

but dont know if its better then the cdr tbh

[shy ermine]

i use coup before sectec in dances without cds

[keen dome]

Surely you'd want to use coup first regardless because of the flawless stacks, and you'd be wasting unseen blade from the SecTec.

[shy ermine]

but idk if the cdr on sectec is worth in cds anymore

[vale pine]

yes, you want to use backstab with premediation

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter that much but generally sectech first. A lot of the time you wont have fazed so you need to sectech

But even when you dont you want the sectech cdr for more unseen blades in dance

[cinder axle]

makes sense

[keen dome]

oh, that makes sense

[fading whale]

!tier

[polar haven]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[inner pollen]

is it worth cata 2 set?

[tepid trellis]

not really

[cinder axle]

Best to wait for first vault, if u cata and get the set in fault ur mad

[inner pollen]

thats true

[tepid trellis]

dont show sap this

[jaunty umbra]

they know of your plans fuu
it's over

[hazy breach]

What ilvl is the pvp craft

652?

[fallen fable]

TOP + 9

is overall should looks like that ?

[hazy breach]

Sims pretty much exactly as much as you do on dummies

[molten citrus]

632

[hazy breach]

Oof

Even the conquest one?

[molten citrus]

i'm saving this and framing it :D

[hazy breach]

That were 610 last season

[vale pine]

we don't sandbag on rogue

never did

[keen dome]

636 for the conq one, I think?

[molten citrus]

i think the highest quality might be a bit more

[tepid trellis]

im buying the conquest pvp neck

its like 22k dps upgrade

[hazy breach]

Ah makes sense

[molten citrus]

the conquest and the bloody token gear is good

many vers/mast pieces

[keen dome]

Ye, it's really nice

[tepid trellis]

also wtf is sub in pvp

im just 1 tapping people

left and right

[keen dome]

haha

[umbral relic]

hey, since bubbling wax scale with ilvl, is it stronger now?

[keen dome]

It owns, big explosions

[hazy breach]

Ye so thats useless for me that could just use S1 crafts

[molten citrus]

regular BGs are noob town @tepid trellis

[keen dome]

Yep, pretty much

[tepid trellis]

nah but i mean my evis does half of somebodys health

[molten citrus]

yeah undergeared ppl

[tepid trellis]

dunno the ret had 9mil hp

and i hit him with a 3.4mil evis

[molten citrus]

well yeah 1/3rd can happen

with darkest night and everything

bloody token pieces

[keen dome]

I think I'm running two of those atm, they're such good slot fillers

[molten citrus]

i want to use my conquest on a pvp trinket for pve but i need tier for pvp :|

[worthy ginkgo]

why thunder lord gem no good o(-(

[void ocean]

anyone seen that video where Dratnos and Max predict pull counts and predicted 2-5 pulls for Stix M 😄

[spark plover]

hey i am new to sub; does 2 trinket on use are ok ?

[tidal salmon]

as long as one of your trinks are house of cards/transmitter its fine

[spark plover]

nay i have pvp trinket and signet of priory

also have suspicious energy drink

[jaunty umbra]

yep i know, ww tc is just clueless i guess

[molten citrus]

isn't energy drink really good

[tidal salmon]

its still fine i guess

[grave delta]

How annoying is it to farm the pvp neck...

[molten citrus]

a crafted one?

[grave delta]

nah the conquest one

[keen dome]

yeah I think so. I really want one

[grave delta]

its champ track vers mastery

[molten citrus]

better get your big boy boot straps on

[shy scarab]

Whats the ilvl of conq neck?

[molten citrus]

just farm war mode crates and do all pvp weeklies/dailies, its easy

[shy scarab]

Hmmmm cant be that hard to get it no?

[cinder axle]

@vale pine do we start our Dance rotation outside of Flag window with Dance - Backstab - Tech - Shuriken - Evis or BP - Strike - and so on? Or is the first Backstab only used in the big cd window?

[molten citrus]

every unrated bracket gives bonus conquest for 1 win per day

[spark plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aa3vXHWWnHgdFrQBsHbBA8 look like energydrink+pvptrink is better

[molten citrus]

this quest this week as well

[tidal salmon]

why the hell we dont play this anymore? should be galaxies better than free cs and shroud talents

[void ocean]

wth are we switching to pvp since no rogues in rwf 😄

[molten citrus]

pvp gear is good

pvp trinket is about as good as heroic transmitter iirc

[shy scarab]

Easier to use aswell

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[vale pine]

you can limit the use if you want

[shy scarab]

No more yolo jump into adds get hit by frontal gg

[vale pine]

there is no damage diffrence

between only doing the backstab during major cooldowns vs. always

[void ocean]

damn now i have to pvp

[grave delta]

558 dfc neck sims as a downgrade in comparison to court neck might as well do some pvp for vers mastery neck

[gritty knot]

What is this PvP Trinket U all been talking bout?

[grave delta]

[spark plover]

look at my simc, you will see the pvp trinket

[cinder axle]

I rather do it always so its easyer to learn xD

[shy scarab]

How much conquest for neck and that trinket?

[gritty knot]

Thx mates. That Trinket Looks indeed nice since I only have HC Transmitter

[molten citrus]

trinket is 700, neck is 525

[shy scarab]

Ouffffff

[molten citrus]

conq cap is 1600 this week

[shy scarab]

12 hour grinding then

[molten citrus]

nah

[keen dome]

You can get all of it in like, 2 - 3 hours.

It's not hard. Just do the weeklies which is a ton of conq.

The brawl also has a weekly if you can win it, too, whihc is another 175? conq. 125? I forget

[molten citrus]

48

or is there a weekly for it

[tepid trellis]

there is a lil symbols cdr talent behind em

[keen dome]

Weekly for it in the brawl. The "something different" quest

[void ocean]

where r pvp vendors anyway

[molten citrus]

idk i haven't seen that one up this week

[keen dome]

It's in the brawl itself

[molten citrus]

in the dummy area of dorn

[molten citrus]

ohh, gotcha

[void ocean]

ah yes, ty

[keen dome]

Automatically given once you load in

[molten citrus]

i never queue brawls that aren't Comp Stomp

[keen dome]

ye, valid

This one is an insane crapshoot if you can win it or not. I just got super lucky.

[tidal salmon]

literally just for a 5 sec lil aah symbols cdr, do we waste that much talents fr? %6 crit on symbols alone seems better to the eye

[grave delta]

Is the crate undermine only in new patch or old zones too

[molten citrus]

every zone, but the spawns are a bit sporadic

you just have to afk in a zone or run around doing WQs til they spawn

i have a horn alert WA for the spawns

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[still quartz]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[fallen fable]

@vale pine @tepid trellis is overall should lok like this ?

top 9

[tepid trellis]

need to press BP a bit i think

how funny would it be if this was sap in the bg i just did

@molten citrus

[molten citrus]

[thorny zodiac]

so if i have SnD already active, i skip any eviscerate in the opener for aoe/st? just go straight into ss>flag>rup etc?

[whole abyss]

On that loot upgrade track sheet, under crafting, what does the Q stand for in Q1, Q2, etc?

[lilac stag]

That’s the opener no matter what

[cinder axle]

what happend to vanish into Evis?

[lilac stag]

simplified. It wasn’t a gain.

[cinder axle]

ok 😄

[whole abyss]

Oh nice

[cinder axle]

I still do it cause of the time u get to fullfill the task from transmitter but will drop asap if i get house of cards^^

[lilac stag]

tldr when there’s a recommended change in here it’s either a dps gain, or a simplification that isn’t a loss

[pastel rampart]

oh god

the backstab is back

[lilac stag]

welcome to last week

[proven plover]

What about sb after sectec

[pastel rampart]

sectech benefits from SB now so

use it before

:D

[cinder axle]

but only the second hit from ur clones

so u could still tech into blades but I macro trinket into blades so I still use it before^^

[proven plover]

There was talk about using it for clones after sectec before shadowstrike

So that u would have it up for one more global potentially

Instead of innitial sectec hit

[vocal lantern]

which trinket would you guys replace your 639 deadeye spyglass and 639 skardyn with

[proven plover]

Whatever i get and bot tells me to

[vocal lantern]

okay

[proven plover]

Sim droptimizer if u wanna target farm

[paper iron]

U can blade as u press sectech its fine

[vocal lantern]

yeh already did

just curious of what other people think

[paper iron]

U can be Juicy and press blade before the 1st clone hit to get another gcd into blade

[proven plover]

Ok was just wondering

Since opener got changed

[short radish]

holy fucking shit did it

with a tank dead for 3 minutes

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, that rules

How was it on heroic?

[short radish]

fucking wild

[keen dome]

haha

[short radish]

it was a lot of adjusting strat