subtlety

[alpine wraith]

pog

[plush roost]

Yeah if you're rich kekw

Sale cuts are bad rn madge

[alpine wraith]

just flip and craft on your free time

get some enchanters going

[plush roost]

If only i had such free time

[alpine wraith]

just let your pc on while you scrap through 1000000 scrap

[oblique grove]

I've been doing shuriken storm in aoe situations after secret technique during shadow dance

Is that a stinky idiot thing to do

[cinder axle]

we talked about it a moment ago seems legit

but just once and then shadow strike

[oblique grove]

Yeah I'm at work and just thought about it so I didn't want to forget

[short radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6UQBFU39Z3W2BNF3qkRLUv

can someone tell what i'm doing wrong with my sim that it's showing a non enchanted ring is a better combination than everything else?

i have replace existing gems/enchants ticked as well as both mastery and vers rings

[cinder axle]

Somone here plays with first dance and struggles to get the second sec Tech into the 15 sec Trinket window cause u cant activate Dance again because the first one is still runing? I always use tech without the trinket buff then...

[short radish]

gotta activate trinket just before your 1st sectech

then you into dance and it's basically your first global in the 2nd dance

but yes

it can be a struggle

[cinder axle]

y but the tip is to macro it with shadowblades or if u still use transmitter the task always Fs me

[short radish]

macro it to flag

is how i do it

and you kinda try control when you activate it

[cinder axle]

with the transmitter y but if u get house of cards it would be bad

[short radish]

yeah but then you change what you macro it to

if you have house of cards then yeah sure macro to sblade

fuck i want house of cards

that'll make life so much easier

[cinder axle]

y i guess the task is just anoyin and i pray for a house trinket asap

[leaden prairie]

@vale pine when doing the bs in dance thing, any reason why we even sod first gcd

if i were to dance bs sod

so that sod still buff the good builders

[alpine wraith]

you sod after the stab if you have rotten talented

that one has finality

[short radish]

yeah it's like .3 difference between mythic transmitter and heroic cards

[leaden prairie]

oh ok ye

[short radish]

i'll just take the .3 loss

[leaden prairie]

thats what i was wondering

[short radish]

and save the macro issue

[leaden prairie]

thats a lot of brain rewiring i have to do gg

[short radish]

you only want to do that with 4set right?

new 4set

[vale pine]

your 2nd symbols cast would be delayed if you delay the first one

[oblique grove]

Am I damaged for liking backstab in shadow dance

[short radish]

old 4set is kinda whatever?

yes

[oblique grove]

I like how it feels like a combo

[short radish]

you are

[grave delta]

need a womp womp every time i lose tier set 8 stacks @sly shore

[short radish]

please see a doctor

we're worried about you

[oblique grove]

I'm just a silly goofball

[short radish]

bit of a silly billy

nah tbh i dont think i mind it

especially if it's ol first global thing

[oblique grove]

I hit a fat 98 parse on heroic King Kong Godzilla and that was cool

[short radish]

yuge

[oblique grove]

Otherwise my head only hears the sound effects of sub rogue

[quick latch]

hello peepos , kinda new to sub and trying to learn to rota/opener , i kinda got into it now thanks to the wowhead guide by fuu1 but now i watched a video by DalaranGaming and his explanation is completey different , is there rly a "right" opener or is it flex? https://youtu.be/LdiQ0j6WtrE?si=MdevgKBSPbxnwNb6&t=729

[alpine wraith]

things change a bit i also havent done the full guide for that reason

the backstab thing is there now too yes

[split shore]

backstab is back in the opener? im so confused

i mean, dance rotation

[alpine wraith]

not a huge win but a win nonetheless

[quick latch]

oh so the wowhead rota is not up to date?

[alpine wraith]

the other way around

[quick latch]

so the vid? 😄

i tought its the current rota now cus he uploaded it 2 days ago

[vale pine]

huh?

[alpine wraith]

wowhead is up to date

[vale pine]

ohh

[alpine wraith]

video has unluck timing

[vale pine]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[alpine wraith]

reason why i also was not doing the whole update yet

[quick latch]

nah sorry i was confused because he said some things changed and the video was freshly updated like 2 days ago , thats why i tought wowhead isnt up to date

[vale pine]

yes, the opener

we just recently

[quick latch]

yes thats what i learned yesterday

[vale pine]

1. simplified it (so no more vanish-strike)
2. added backstab in dance

both is fairly new

[quick latch]

after i saw the dalarangaming video i was confused , because he explained it completly different

[vale pine]

so possibly not in video guides

[quick latch]

got u thank you

[vale pine]

i tried to explain each step in the "explenation" tab as well as have a "optimization" section

but if you get confused please ask

it can be that i made a mistake, or can re-write something if its not easy to understand

[quick latch]

your guide was top , i checked every explenation , the video got me confused 😅

[vale pine]

ahh ^^

well neverless, discord is always a good way to ask questions if something seems off or needs more explenation

[quick latch]

thats why im here ❤️

thank you for the response

[fair raptor]

oo no more vanish

I was just learning it with vanish lol

[lilac stag]

@vale pine did you push the apl for the opener and the backstab yet?

[steep raven]

@vale pine Please explain why vanish>strike got cut

[vale pine]

not yet

[vale pine]

it was simpler, there is no diffrence in output iirc

and simpler = better

[steep raven]

Ok, thanks. Frees up vanish for utility

[oblique grove]

Do you just kinda send it whenever you have no points for cdr or if a root will happen

[short radish]

How do you rupture after the flag

[vale pine]

vanish is low in impact so if you can cheese mechanics with it, i would recommend doing that

[short radish]

Wait nvm I'm stupid

So you just delay snd for a bit?

[vale pine]

yes

[short radish]

Ez

Thst makes mugzee so much easier

My 2nd sectec was cutting it so close

On opener

[oblique grove]

Mugzeez nuts I'm afraid

[short radish]

Gottem

[vale pine]

btw. a tip for rick

i haven't tested on heroic+

but you can evasion the ground pound

so can cheese uptime with evasion when you else would need to run out

[short radish]

I thought as well with symbols, you don't want to consume backstab with it with rotten

[quick latch]

is transmitter from s1 rly that good? i have it in my bank but i hate to play with it

[short radish]

If mythic yeah

[shadow sluice]

I think I saw exile do that on rik earlier

[quick latch]

hero 6/6

[fallen depot]

whats the strongest spec rn ?

[short radish]

Not as strong but still bis until you get cards

[vale pine]

its a trade off

but its worth it

[short radish]

Simple = better?

[vale pine]

yes

less steps is always nicer

less to remember

[short radish]

Agreed

[vale pine]

and you go faster into your big cooldowns

[short radish]

I'm all for less piano playing

Can't wait to get card so I can macro into blades

[vale pine]

i still have transmitter macroed to flag

[short radish]

Same

[vale pine]

[short radish]

But its such a pain

[umbral relic]

I’m 100% macroing backstab with shadow dance

And sectec with shadow blades

[paper iron]

when i press house of card i still jump 3 times

[final holly]

I'm still annoyed at myself for disenchanting transmitter. I hated it and thought it wouldn't be good next season and wanted the catharsis of destroying it. It was only heroic but still would be really good

[paper iron]

cant wait to lose the habit

[hazy breach]

You can restore it

If it wasnt over 3 months ago

[vagrant fulcrum]

use your lack of a transmitter as leverage to get house of cards

[final holly]

It was indeed not 3 months ago

[paper iron]

Can u still restore disenchanted item? Thought it was just sold / deleted items

[twilit phoenix]

Yeah you can

You just need to have the mats

[random hare]

good

morn

ing

[hazy breach]

yes

You just need the materials you got from disenchanting

So if you get the weekly knowledge point you might need to wait a week

[tawny plume]

What trinket should i use before i get the card if i dont have transmitter

[subtle jay]

does vanish-strike provide any +%?

[hazy breach]

Pvp on-use or just a passive

[tawny plume]

Ok thanks wish i got a transmitter now

[tepid trellis]

@tribal blade

[tawny plume]

In M+ is it basically pick the prio target and passive cleave the rest with nimble?

[lucid jackal]

Yep

[vestal escarp]

post nerf

[wheat elk]

why bnet download speed is like 5 kbs?

[vale pine]

for the opener, no but it also does not lose you damage doing so

[iron hare]

going 2p / 2p is not worth it right now right?

[vale pine]

not using vanish in the fight is ofc a small damage hit

2p2p is weak

[quick latch]

lemme see the season mount pl0x

[vale pine]

you want the 4p

[iron hare]

aight

I've seen a 100 parse rocking 2p/2p hence i asked

[grave delta]

do u send the 2nd cb on a random evis 45 sec in or just hold and wait for 2nd sectec on 2nd set of cds

[subtle jay]

aight, gotcha
i've just got used to vanish-strike so backstabbing just really ruins my muscle memory xd

[lilac stag]

Wait. If it’s not right at 45 you’re gonna hose yourself later

[grave delta]

what if u get the perfect lineup for a Coup de Grace at 45 sec tho...

[subtle jay]

current logs arent safe to relate rn

[lilac stag]

glhf

[grave delta]

I'm a believer

[paper iron]

i mean u can press it absolutely on cd, but make sure it s ready for all set of CDs

which can be a pain

[mild skiff]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[iron crane]

Guys, what the heck am I screwing up here!? I just started trying to do arenas, and in every round my damage is 2-4 times lower than the other DPS. Even the HEALERS sometimes get close to me in damage!

[wheat sentinel]

Dusting off the rogue, does tank brann help with some of rogue's delve problems or nah

[iron crane]

My current rotation and strategy (let me know if anything looks off):

Shadowblades/symbols of death/thistle tea macro button before attack, then Cheap shot, then shadow dance, flagellation, secret technique, goremaws bite, kidney shot, shadowstrike, eviscerate.

If I don't have shadow dance, I use combo point generating moves and eviscerate back and forth, interrupting as much as possible too.

[keen dome]

Try the PvP channel

[fallen fable]

Is some1 have the addon who say ' frontals , Fixate and other shiet in M+ ' please

[dry belfry]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[lilac stag]

Nah

[jade urchin]

so we are back to backstabbing for danse macabre?

[lilac stag]

ye

[vale pine]

yes

[jade urchin]

rip my distract keybind

[lilac stag]

footpedal

[vale pine]

i don't know of an addong but GTFO has a lot of audio queues

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[vale pine]

^ you can use this macro

no extra keys needed

[void ocean]

lol what a Meadery key, looking at my TFD talent and crying while tank chainpulls pack into pack into boss 😄

[jade urchin]

big

[tawny plume]

Wow so many good macros i didnt have

Also i dont usually enjoy sub but for some reason learning it feels really fun

[jade urchin]

backstab is always first builder after dance i assume?

[lilac stag]

ideally yes, until you accidentally strike out of habit

[jade urchin]

obviously im never gonna press that

muscle memory too strong

[lilac stag]

haha

[jade urchin]

so wowhead rota is up to date

was confused looking at it earlier

[lilac stag]

simplified opener is nice

[foggy egret]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[tawny plume]

Is the shadow technique straight away when we have 4set only?

[tepid trellis]

no

sectech is almost always first finisher

[fickle hawk]

Hello,

Oups, hello, I'm thinking about crafting. Is it ok to craft 675 cloak already today as advised by icy-veins or wait some time ?

[void ocean]

whats ur MH?

[hollow flume]

I always do MH first. It also Sim way higher. Check yours.

[fickle hawk]

655 atm, but since i do mythic i thought i would fast get weapons but it's a bet..

[void ocean]

well Id sim but cant imagine cloak being better gain than +20 ilvl on MH

[fickle hawk]

of course not, just thinking about mid term

[tepid trellis]

crafted cloak is wasted, early on

it almost gives you nothing

[jade urchin]

mid term should be fine too

[tepid trellis]

9/10 times

[jade urchin]

u can put focus lense on weapon too

[tepid trellis]

you wanna craft a dagger

[fickle hawk]

alright thanks for input

you're right, i'm just being greedy

[tawny plume]

What goes on the dagger my s1 has ascension

[winged vale]

does nimble flurry radiate from us like bf or from the target? and what is the range?

[tepid trellis]

yes its like BF

[smoky vault]

A stabber, not a "dagger" or you end up with stamina

[jade urchin]

the way i just rechecked my dagger

[tepid trellis]

lens

[tawny plume]

Ok so i need to swap

Thanks @tepid trellis

[void ocean]

I crafted neck from my free runed crests cause i got 658 dagger and neck was +37k dps 😄

[tepid trellis]

[hearty orchid]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[iron crane]

for trickster?

[split shore]

thanks for clarifying on the backstab additon to the opener or during dance

[sturdy flume]

does the cold blood with sec tech still work?

the macro

[void ocean]

yes

btw what was that optimization with finality, is that still on, what do we drop instead

[sly shore]

[grave delta]

making it like a minute and half into the fight without the stacks ever falling off

is new level of dopamine I think

[keen dome]

Need a modular WA that plays a louder womp womp thelonger they've been on

[gritty gorge]

Hello everyone, i got two questions (out of convenience playing the spec - so i know it is NOT recommended): 1. How big of a dmg loss is it to use dance and symbols in cooldowns always together but still wait so we get a supercharged Sectech? So the real question would be how big is the dmg loss to delay the 2nd dance in CDs for 1 or 2 GCDs? 2. I know everything about the optimazation for CB and the 1% dmg loss if you macro. How big would the dmg loss be to always use it for the first sectech in CDs? cause sometimes in M+ i cant get the 2nd sectech out in time of flag or sb because of downtime (anti - meele mechanis). - sorry for the textwall

[lilac stag]

It’s awful

Just take the time to learn to play it properly

Sub isn’t a “convenience” spec

[wild vine]

convenience

ig

[wide fiber]

short question at what add number is shuriken storm and black powder better?

[alpine wraith]

you use storm once

at 7 targets+

[hazy breach]

In dance once at 7+ targets

Outside of dance 3 for storm

[wide fiber]

thanks

[hazy breach]

But dont BP until 7 or more outside of dance

[alpine void]

if there is a pack with big prio mob that needs killed still may be better to sacrifice overall to evis into prio tho right

depending on comp

[marble ledge]

Does anyone know if keeping your S1 hero 4pc tier set is better than S2 champion 4/8 gear?

Even worse question how do I do that

Check pins lmao

[hidden oar]

Is old 4set better than 2p old + 2p new? I am simming and it is dps loss xd

[lilac stag]

jesus lizards already

[lilac stag]

Our 2p is shit. Play assa for 2+2. Read the pins.

[sturdy moat]

a bit unrelated but for anyone who is herb and alch what should i respec my knowledge points and put them into?

i went with thaumaturgy early on in the xpac, wasnt a good choice

[lilac stag]

asking in the least active spec channel. bold move

wow-professions has what each tree does for you. perhaps read over that.

depending on what you want kinda thing

[void hound]

anyone have a weakaura for the tier set?

[quaint lodge]

Id wager all of the weakauras have one built in

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lilac stag]

make one with WA templates. It’s just a buff to track. .

takes no time at all. Something everyone should be able to do.

[quaint lodge]

idt people care that much about WoW to be able to do it themselves

agree if u do care, but the vast majority barely know how theey work

[swift crest]

Given the quantum-like mechanics governing cooldown interactions, can anyone clarify if activating Symbols of Death immediately prior to Shadow Dance produces a measurable phase shift in energy regeneration intervals, potentially altering the rotational entropy of a Subtlety Rogue's opener

[lilac stag]

if you’re raiding you should have basic WA knowledge

Template is basic of the basic.

[quaint lodge]

have u played with the average WoW raider, they barely know how to move the weak auras around

[lilac stag]

average don’t last long in this channel

[sacred path]

You can move them?

[lilac stag]

They go back to ret

[void hound]

actually luxthos has it built in

rare luxthos W

[sweet marlin]

the ego lol

[tawdry cypress]

Why don't sub rogues simply play ww or dh

Are they stupid

[lilac stag]

it’s no ego, it’s facts. People rarely survive learning this spec and crash out after 2 weeks or as soon as assa gets a buff

you actually have to enjoy playing this spec

[tawdry cypress]

Rogue just has been meh for a few tiers

Make it fotm and ppl will play it agane

[lilac stag]

lol all three were at the top for raiding

Just last season

assa was as close to meta for keys as you could get as melee not being named enhance

[tawdry cypress]

For keys assa was good

Early season was 100% hard fdk and warrior meta

For raid

[hazy breach]

If all you care about is the warcraftlogs statistics sure

[lilac stag]

add pad makes specs go burrr

[cedar willow]

for those without deck of cards or transmitter, this thing works well.

[tawdry cypress]

And for progression

[lilac stag]

Warrior got gutted quickly and was there just for burst aoe

[tawdry cypress]

The first hard wall was brood which was insane tuning

And got hard carried by fdk/fury/pres

[hard trellis]

did sub get nerfed yesterday?

[tawdry cypress]

Then Nexus which sub was mediocre on

And last 2 rogue was just meh

Current raid you'd run 0 rogues if it weren't for poison

[lilac stag]

You ran sub on nexus because you required no attention from healers. Nexus was a healer check

[naive zodiac]

that’s just not true

feint didn’t work on regicide

[random hare]

thats actually not too bad

[tawdry cypress]

You ran one rogue for poison

[tepid trellis]

pre nerf kyveza was a monster lol

[lilac stag]

Vers sure has hell did

[tawdry cypress]

Early Nexus was sin

[lilac stag]

odd it was sub in rwf

[naive zodiac]

no it was sin

[quaint lodge]

cant really dispute the guy who played the race

LMAO

[lilac stag]

one one side

[tawdry cypress]

There is 0 reason to play a rogue this raid besides atrophic too

[lilac stag]

then don’t play it

be like kush. Hop on the DH

[tepid trellis]

[random hare]

what do u know about rwf

oh wait

[tawny plume]

@naive zodiac how was the sleep today?

[random hare]

gl in race cuh

[naive zodiac]

morning shitposting

[tepid trellis]

CANT GET A FCKING TRINKET MAN

[random hare]

ur gear

is geared out the wazoo

holy shit

[naive zodiac]

what you trying to get

[tawny plume]

24% haste mans fast as fuck

[tepid trellis]

floodgate/motherload

[vale pine]

remote control goes brr

also transmitter is great

[tawdry cypress]

Getting 650+ pretty easy if you spam keys and do a heroic split

[uncut juniper]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[spark tusk]

you don't even need a template

It's literally

Buff on player with stacks text

is the default aura if you click create aura

[wild vine]

can you even get that one fast

[spark tusk]

you only need to put in the winning streak spell

[pale python]

Hey, Recommended enchant for Raid is Authority of the Depths, however I see some pro rogues running with Authority of Radiant Power, whats the main difference?

[lilac stag]

that's ok. apparently easier to download luthox and deal with that lol

[lilac stag]

1-2 hours

[uncut juniper]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[wild vine]

actual arena or bg quests n stuff?

[jade urchin]

700 conquest iirc

[lilac stag]

my morning. do the daily, do the weekly. and the specials wins. chests are easy 60 conq

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

Best trinket

[wild vine]

its certainly worth taking the small loss over dealing with transmitter

[lilac stag]

.2% loss to drop heroic transmitter. ez choice

[spark tusk]

I'm not expecting anyone to make fancy condition WAs or anything involving multiple triggers or conditions, but if you ask for an aura that's literally for an aura on player and nothing else it implies you did not even try to make something

[graceful rock]

I had to help someone make a cast bar in classic

[quaint lodge]

Agreed, because why try to make something when everything is made for you 99% of the time

[graceful rock]

it was good

[quaint lodge]

The average WoW player really does not give a fuck to look at these settings and doesn't need to either

[lilac stag]

then asks why they get 20 fps in raid

[quick latch]

do i use secret technique ALWAYS with shadow dance?

[quaint lodge]

Yes

[spark tusk]

you get 20 fps in raid because you have 8348 weakauras that all do the same thing and use elvui

I get 20 fps in raid because my machine is a laptop from 2015

We are not the same

[tepid trellis]

transmitter can die in a fire

fuck that trinket

[lilac stag]

I think we are the same fuck elv

[vale pine]

hope you get cards soon then

[naive zodiac]

transmitter stays insanely good if your char has tons of mastery

i’m pretty sure i wouldn’t even equip mythic house of cards

30k mastery wahoo

[quick latch]

imagine needing to run behind a orb while everyone else is bursting

[lilac stag]

Just jump three times

[keen dome]

I refuse

[spark tusk]

Sweatily dips in and out of fire, screaming at monitor because the circle isn't collecting before sectec goes off and you're going to die in this fire, nam memories flashing back to you falling off the edge of the world chasing last pull's orb THIS TRINKET IS INSANELY GOOD I PROMISE I'M HAVING SO MUCH FUN

[astral minnow]

for me the circle spawned inside Sprocketmonger magnet

[tepid trellis]

i wont

cuz its technically not an "upgrade" numbers wise

just neutral

🙂

[vale pine]

maybe in vault

[alpine wraith]

always planned

ez mastery stack

[hoary night]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[midnight geyser]

so

what are rupture min maxes

target count

etc etc

[hollow spear]

Legit killed myself on last boss cinderbrew because I greeded for the circle

[hazy breach]

Ye but assa demolished boss dps on brood

[hazy breach]

If it lives for 10+ seconds and youre not in dance.

[midnight geyser]

gotcha

even in like big pulls

8+ targets

and in pulls like that how many times should i click rupture before going into big dance burst

[hazy breach]

Yes

Dont delay flag or blades for ruptures

[midnight geyser]

so i should do 1 maybe 2 ruputres on big prio mobs

and then spread if things will still live after

[hazy breach]

You do no damage outside dance anyway

[midnight geyser]

yeah

[hazy breach]

But if you apply ruptures, those will last through dance

So you get "in dance finishers" without being in dance

[midnight geyser]

do any of our big cd's amplify rupture

[hazy breach]

All

[midnight geyser]

so they amplify all of our ruptures? or only on the mob im targeting

[hazy breach]

All of them

[midnight geyser]

gotcha

so worth ahving up

last thing

you know hwo backstab in dance was simming 0.5% ahead

[vale pine]

because you get slightly higher benefits from danse macabre

[midnight geyser]

yes

so what should my usage order be in aoe and st? (Checked wowhead it isnt on there yet)

st: backstab then ss
aoe (7+) : backstab, then shurkien storm or ss?

or does it not matter (assuming i spend inbetween each builder)
edit; checked wowhead and found it under optimization
looks like 2 targets is the breakpoint? so only worth in pure st, maybe 2t

[warm marlin]

the wowhead guide saying to do dance+symbols into backstab and use rotten on it, is that a simplification or does saving symbols for after bs not matter

[stark belfry]

Doe rupture snapshot all the amplifiers or does it update dynamically?

[hazy breach]

Dynamic

[ashen terrace]

pvp actually has a lot of decent upgrades..

[uncut juniper]

do you always use SOD with dance?

[lilac stag]

No

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[tawdry cypress]

So did fdk

And boss dps wasn't rly the check so you'd run 1 rogue for atrophic

[hazy breach]

Definitely didnt

But yes parasites were more important

But after nerfs when most people got to the boss, killing it before the third platform was a very real check people were going for

[tepid trellis]

pre nerfs the boss dps was also very much a thing you needed

[delicate rover]

so say I have HORRIble luck with weapon drops historically would I be better off just making my second crafted the everforged stabber as well?

[hazy breach]

Idk saying rogue was bad in amidrassil and nerubar is just wild

[tepid trellis]

no

[delicate rover]

D:

[hazy breach]

Craft literally anything else

And you'd get more damage than crafting an offhand

[tepid trellis]

saying it was bad in amirdrassil is a wild take

[delicate rover]

Oh good to know the offhand isnt as important

[young mural]

youre 100% dumb or misinformed if you actually think that

[fallow nimbus]

BS back in dance

[young mural]

sub rogue was ridiculous during amirdrassil s3 DF

[hazy breach]

"last couple of tiers" was the qoute i responded to

[midnight geyser]

assass was broken in amid

[tepid trellis]

[oblique grove]

is there any preferred way to spend runed crests or is it just weapon > trinket > big stat pieces

[vale pine]

thats a good rule of thumbs

[hazy breach]

So was sub

[worn cape]

Anyone else having problem with flag feeling unresponsive? I sometimes feel like I have to mash the keybind 5-6 times before it goes off.

[hazy breach]

Assa just looked completely insane early on because nothing it did worked with aug on logs so it yoinked like 50% of augs damage

[delicate rover]

Aug+PI ?

[tepid trellis]

yep

[delicate rover]

thatll do it

[paper iron]

assa was real good in amid

but then nerfs + smolderon + trindral + fyrrak was sub realm

[minor void]

There a list of known bugs for sub?

[hazy breach]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[delicate rover]

Sub i find more fun anyway Assassination is just dot play and thats eh

[minor void]

ty

[rustic mortar]

Wenn kb had 100 Stacks and Not just 50

[oblique grove]

I cant enjoy assassination

crackshot and shadow dance hit like crack

[delicate rover]

I wont play outlaw until killing spree is fixed sadly

I love that ability

[oblique grove]

I like killing spree because I get to gamble my life

[delicate rover]

https://tenor.com/view/teleport-fight-gif-13396018

[plain geode]

So whats your prediction guys for m+? should I play sub or can I continue playing assa?

[uncut hinge]

I predict you will run your own keys and play what you want

[oblique grove]

sub (unbiased) (biased)

[delicate rover]

Play what you're better at (its really sub though)

[oblique grove]

Is trickster using the first dance now?

or is there a reason to

[dry zodiac]

In dungeons yes

[delicate rover]

from what Im seeing the single target builds dont run it no

[oblique grove]

I ended up finding the reasoning

makes sense

shouldve added in keys but I get it

[void hound]

my god this new tier set

it really makes me want to play around it

😭

[frail fog]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[glacial hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[delicate rover]

I love how close the specs are tbh

This is how it should be

[mint swift]

The closer all the specs are the better the meta

[solemn lance]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[vale pine]

agree

i kind of wish outlaw had a more nuanced niche so there is more incentive to play it sometimes

[steady timber]

The reverse funnel niche

[lunar bluff]

fuu is pro outlaw???\

[vale pine]

i am pro choice

[proven plover]

Outlaw is very fun to play

Minus ks

[vale pine]

see, i tc for subtlety for a long time now

[lunar bluff]

fuu getting political in sub chat smh

[vale pine]

and subtlety was partly in a state nobody even touched it

low tuning and no niche to make it played

[lunar bluff]

but i fully agree with this, there is no niche for law rn

[vale pine]

and this phase could last long

e.g. for the entirety of bfa, you had absolutely no reason to consider sub

[alpine wraith]

niche for outlaw for a long time has been worse fury warrior

[vale pine]

so my opinion is, and remains that specs should have reasons to be played

[proven plover]

The niche for outlaw is actually wanting restealths

[vale pine]

so there is never one spec that does it all

[bleak night]

the reason to play outlaw is adhd

[silk lantern]

is 2 piece/2 piece good?

[vale pine]

leading to a one dimensional decision making

2p2p is not good

[silk lantern]

okay ty

[vale pine]

4p is what you want

likely won't play 2p2p unless higher item level differences exist (and for that throw it in a sim)

[proven plover]

Outlaw niche is bladeflur.. oh wait

[wise vortex]

😂 they gave all rogue specs flurry

[steady timber]

Haven't they given more classes passive cleave in general?

[vale pine]

assassianation: I beg to differ, my blade flurry is not target capped

[vale pine]

yes

[wise vortex]

Yea its just funny they made it a core mechanic of the other rogues

[granite hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[rotund rock]

question. if im in a 7+ pull spammin black powder and shuriken storm should i br reapplying flawless form/unseen blade when it falls off or just keep spamming

outside of dance mainly what im referring to

[thorny zodiac]

does sub have good/any funnel profile? if so what talent is that?

[hazy breach]

Yes'

The hero talents

[leaden prairie]

outlaw doesnt really care about restealths

[uncut juniper]

what causes me to get a full CP after I spend a finisher? new to sub

[tepid trellis]

shadowcraft

[uncut juniper]

oh that one

ty!

[dry belfry]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[radiant shore]

[solemn creek]

anyone did priory in the last hour?

there were no add on last boss, i dont see any hotfix message about that

[glossy turtle]

would I want a weapon embellishment if I mainly play m+?

[dreamy depot]

Hey, does anyone have an aura with target counter ? So i can see a number showing how many targets are in range ?

[vale pine]

embellishments in general are close so you can play whatever

[vale pine]

!wa the very bottom

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[dreamy depot]

thank you !

[vale pine]

to add to this

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

2x dawnthread did sim slightly higher than lense in dungeon slice

but also requires uptime

[glossy turtle]

okay 🙂 what about weapon enchants. I saw authority of depths and radiant, on icy veins. but if most of the dmg is cleave dmg, is authority not the best, or?

[vale pine]

radiant power is quite good in m+ and cheaper

^^

[glossy turtle]

ok great

bought that one, and checked the guide afterwards. 🙂

[jaunty umbra]

I just did, there was adds

[vale osprey]

I have been assigned to do 2nd bomb of P1 Sprocketmonger. Do I:

a) Hold CDs until approx ~25 seconds into the fight when my 2nd bomb is done.
b) Send them on pull and try to sprint + SS back to boss so I only lose a few seconds of downtime about 25 seconds into flag window
c) Cry to officers and ask to get changed

[fallow nimbus]

C

[hoary lotus]

Why waste crests on a ring

[fallow nimbus]

Boss should be near bombs 1 and 2

Ranges do 3 and 4

You need 2 bomb teams for the whole fight

[dusty pagoda]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[radiant shore]

fun

[oblique grove]

Outlaw is for when you relaspe into gambling like I just did

Thats its niche

[vale osprey]

Yeah it will be, but it's still riiight in the middle/middle-end of the flag window haha

[fallow nimbus]

Get 2nd set first bomb

[shell willow]

Lol im first set 1 first bomb

[ashen terrace]

It’s like 1 step off the boss

[bleak night]

just have the tank stand on where its gonna be and insta pop it lmao

[ashen terrace]

Can do it mid gcd

[shell willow]

i just SS tele back if necessary

[radiant wave]

New, trying to understand this part of the rotation, how do you ensure Fazed is up for coup de grace? Doesn't it just happen?

[bleak night]

where tf are you tanking the boss that you have to ss back to it from the very first bomb

[shell willow]

lol ask my tank bumbafuck

[bleak night]

i would but i dont have a wardrobe to get to narnia

[vale pine]

it should be up most of the time, but its a debuff on the target

[radiant wave]

Gotcha. So no need to delay casting to ensure Fazed is up? Or it's just so rare as to be a non-issue?

[vale pine]

you would not cast coup if you don't have fazed up so would delay the cast

or e.g. cast secret first if in dance

[radiant wave]

Cool, thanks!

[spark tusk]

Wondering why requests for this have skyrocketed right now. I feel like in season 1 it didn't come up much unless I missed it

[chilly tiger]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[spark tusk]

but feels like every day there's been a handful of people asking for one

[vale pine]

same

the weakaura exists since 2017

but the interest seems higher now for some reason

[swift tinsel]

Probably people overthinking the 7+ breakpoint

Vs just 5 before

[paper iron]

Well i personnaly disabled it back in DF when it started to not work because blizzard changed some stuff. Was outlaw, then i just played outlaw assa by feeling. So that helps me figuring out sub range and also easier to count mobs

[graceful mural]

are we playing 2p+2p or keep 4p s1

[midnight folio]

do i care about coup de grace in 7+ aoe?

[tepid trellis]

yes

consume whenever its up

[midnight folio]

thanks!

[lavish girder]

don't do what I did and craft an int dagger with your first mythic crest

just don't

imma crash out now

[slate lantern]

RIPPPPPP

[keen dome]

Man, some of the big blast pulls in Cindermead go hard

[broken swallow]

Shouldn't the wowhead guide be updated to use Wind Singer's Runed Citrine post nerf of skippers?

[vale pine]

2p2p is likely weak, but can still be good if your item levels are high on gear (so sim it)
new 4p is definively better, so get it if you can

[warm marlin]

where does it not say windsinger

[keen dome]

Also, did you know that when you run Cindermead+10 No Leaver, there are 4 people stuck in the dungeon with you and you can make an infinite amount of bee puns?

And there is nothing they can do about it

[shell willow]

@keen dome lol the torture

[keen dome]

You want this weekly vault you will suffer my puns

[uneven scarab]

Im the new B E O of this place!!

[fervent spoke]

is there a known location for a premade macro for symbols and shadow dance, where you dont accidently use multiple symbols?

sorry, newer to sub

[uneven scarab]

the bee puns are slowly crumbling my mental i cant lie

[keen dome]

It's so good

Embrace them.

When you wipe? "I can't beelive that happened"

[shell willow]

Beeutiful

[brisk raptor]

In AoE situations with 7+ targets should you be pressing shuriken storm or shadowstrike as main builder?

[analog grove]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[brisk raptor]

I feel like I see conflicting things on it. It looks like people are using shuriken storm to apply find weakness to multiple targets but then other people saying just always shadowstrike

[paper iron]

Well

[tepid trellis]

you storm once inside of dance for FW otherwise you Strike at 7+

[paper iron]

This is aoe, i had to read multiples time to get it, but once you understand how it flows with trickster it s kinda easy

[brisk raptor]

What if it doesn’t crit? Cause doesn’t it have to crit to apply FW?

[lilac stag]

@keen dome Stupid pvp trinket made keys a lil less stressful

[paper iron]

Dont we have a talent that make it crit 100% after a stealth / dance / vanish ?

[broken swallow]

I apologize, I had looked yesterday, but maybe I misread

[lilac stag]

Rotten. Dance only

[upbeat sorrel]

What does 2+4pc being 11% mean

[lilac stag]

storm eats both charges

[upbeat sorrel]

We can use two tier sets?

[lilac stag]

season 2 4pc is 11%

[upbeat sorrel]

Ooooh

[keen dome]

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tepid trellis]

you have a talent for that

[sudden breach]

does applying AOE fw increase dmg to nimble fury?

[hazy breach]

Yes

But not enough to warrant using storm in dance

[bright elk]

does aoe blind only clear the affix if its targeted on a non affix mob?

[hazy breach]

Yep its very silly

[brisk raptor]

Thank you. When it crits does it apply to all mobs around you?

[hazy breach]

No, only to the mob it crits on

[midnight geyser]

is kujo trinket bad

[delicate rover]

Huh so it’s implying no single target shuriken storm good to hear tbh

[midnight geyser]

i know "sim"

but overall in comparison

[paper iron]

i repeat

this is aoe rotation

not single target

[delicate rover]

F

[paper iron]

for more, check wowhead, fuu spent time writing an excellent guide

[delicate rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-22252869

[keen dome]

I'm 99% certain the only reason I have such a good Vexie parse is 'cos of swapping to it, haha. It's made everything better

[delicate rover]

Yeah I’ve been inhaling the guides

[brisk raptor]

So if it only crits one target what makes it so worth it vs using just shadowstrike to apply it? Just useful for danse macabre stack?

[hazy breach]

Well it can crit more than one target

You have The rotten, which makes guarantees the crit

[brisk raptor]

So is it worth pressing it more than once during dance when target count is high to spread FW to multiple mobs for black powder spam?

[hazy breach]

No only once with rotten

[midnight geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gmSBsc2M9ZVQyofvgYetCp

bro this trink is fucking ass

LMAO

[hoary coyote]

hey guys

need some help

can not found winning streak wa tracker in wago

[sudden breach]

What would you do during 4-5 target situations wih no blades, during dance (no premd)
2x shadow strike for 7 CP or 1 storm for 7 cp?

[hoary coyote]

does anybody has one?

[midnight geyser]

shadow

sometimes it gives 7

[hazy breach]

Its less than 7 targets

Thus you would singletarget

[sudden breach]

cool cool ty

sometimes just feels weird to SS twice

[brisk raptor]

@hazy breach so the rotten guarantees every target gets crit my shuriken storm after pressing symbols. I see now.

[granite river]

You want to track stacks?

[brisk raptor]

But that is only worth using on 7+ targets? Seems like it could be good to apply FW on less mob count before sending shadowstrikes eh?

[hexed dagger]

we out here

[hazy breach]

Its only worth for BP

[lilac stag]

I really wonder how much slightly missed transmitter timings drops dps

[hoary coyote]

yes plz

[keen dome]

Would be an interesting thing to know. But it's just so nice to pop blades and blammo, big hit.

Also just the extra load in looking fo rit, etc.

[lilac stag]

Yeah

Gonna farm up more conq for a ring

[brisk raptor]

Thanks for all the clarification! Very helpful, I think I get it now.

[keen dome]

High5, I did the same thing

[jaunty heath]

Theres a delve where you can apparently stealth to boss so its super fast? Anyo Delver that can confirm?

[sudden breach]

Made a macro for sub opener for any lazy boomers that fumble keybinds (dont use this mid fight, openers only)

/castsequence reset=20 Shadowstrike,flagellation,eviscerate,Vanish,Shadowstrike,Rupture,Shadow Dance,Symbols of Death,tempered potion,backstab,Shadow Blades,secret Technique

[bleak night]

[vale pine]

time to re-write it for the updated opener^^

[worthy pulsar]

!backstab

[vale pine]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[sudden breach]

ah right, thats with 4pc tho right?

[vale pine]

even before

[sudden breach]

cool cool

[iron hare]

Can i just transmitter on flag or is it too early?

[vale pine]

yes absolutely

you want to transmiter erlier so you have time to solve the task

[brisk raptor]

Skip vanish intentional?

[vale pine]

yes

[void hound]

@vale pine do you have an opinion on doing dance -> backstab -> sob/sectec
to save the rotten charge

[vale pine]

I did only quickly try it in apl but did not get it to be a damage gain

so would need to spend more time to give a definitive answer

but intuitively don't think it makes a big diffrence

[brisk raptor]

Hmm why skip over vanish? Just isn’t worth it dps wise? I’m so used to using it hard habit to break I guess lol

[vale pine]

it is simpler, you have a shorter opener which is easier to fit, memorize and perform

you can do the vanish-strike if you feel more comfortable doing it

[limpid vessel]

do we use 2 Shadow dance in flag + secret blade CD?

[vale pine]

you use 2 shadow dances in flag back to back

2 symbols/dances/secret

[pearl swan]

Not needin to vanish in opener is so nice

Bugs out so much

[limpid vessel]

at what cd left of flag do u start holding shadow dances?

[brisk raptor]

One more clarification on opener. Is premed the reason you wait to use shadow blades?

[pearl swan]

Do we wanna backstab at the start of every dance now?

Or just opener

[vale pine]

yes

[vale pine]

every dance

[pearl swan]

Sick

Tyty

[vale pine]

so you either dance-backstab-finish

or dance-finish-backstab

[pearl swan]

Yeye

Like how it used to b in DF

[vale pine]

similar, not that strict

in DF we typically went into dance with a bit hiher combo points specifically to use backstab first

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-ahh-hell-no-wtf-is-that-wth-gif-17151936

[hexed dagger]

best brann setup for the underpin?

[upbeat parcel]

guys is it ok to macro symbols of death into shadow dance?

[terse dirge]

is there a spreadsheet with a feint list yet?

[spark tusk]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[spark tusk]

^ no

[vale pine]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[umbral topaz]

Do we play around pacemaker? As in second proc (that wont be with flag+sb), better to save dance+sod for it, and use naked sod after CDs?
Or just dont think about it?

[nova lodge]

when is the best timing to use shadow blade? should i use it before flagelation ?

[vale pine]

before secret techniques

[nova lodge]

but should i wait 1.5 min to use secret thecnique?

sorry im new

😦

[prime stratus]

luiquid not playing a single rogue on stix

feelsbadman

[vale pine]

no

[hazy breach]

Surely we get buffs

But stix doesnt have any good rogue loot

And they usually opt their comp around loot from the early bosses

[vale pine]

you use secret once every dance

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[prime stratus]

that might very well be the reason yea

[vale pine]

^ if you are new, any of the guides will be a good starting point

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[nova lodge]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[clever delta]

rogue so back

[nova lodge]

lol

nice to use secret once every dance have sence!

[vale pine]

i did a lfr run with my gf earlier

what do you think my raid frames looked like?

[warm marlin]

10 ret palas

[bleak night]

trick question rogues dont have raidframes on

[vale pine]

ill give a tip if you want to not guess

[nova lodge]

lol

[vale pine]

3-4 players in each group ended up being one specific class

very diverse

[devout bison]

in m+, do you guys hold 2 stacks of SoD+SD for your CDs or do you just send?

[bleak night]

ret glow

ret smash

me play ret

(i actually think divine hammer looks fun but im already locked into rogue)

maybe as an alt

[nova lodge]

Fuu, just for recap. is recommended ro aligne secret thecnique and dance right? in order to use secret once every dance

[tepid trellis]

ret that i play with says its very annoying

[oblique pilot]

just an info, when u don't have shadow dance and vanish, and so u cen't have all the stack, is better to use another backstab, or use eviscerate not in full stack?

[tepid trellis]

basically global locked into extending their shit 24/7

[bleak night]

hm

i will have to try it myself

but i can see that being annoying

suffering from breath of sindragosa syndrome

[tepid trellis]

drop combat in m+

= sadge

perma chain = happy ret

[bleak night]

oh yeah i was thinking mainly for raid

for m+ that type of thing is always annoying

unless you can perma chain

[tepid trellis]

in raid its fine i think

[pearl swan]

does anybody have a stand alone winning streak weakaura?

[tepid trellis]

i do, but im not ingame

[nova lodge]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[vale pine]

yes

you use secret during dance

[inner shell]

what poisons does sub rogue use?

[tepid trellis]

instant + atro/mindnumbing

[void ocean]

I use crippling in Motherlode

swap MN for shiv

[acoustic lodge]

we meta

[void ocean]

Kush top dps in Echo, Go Echo xD

[acoustic lodge]

Kush, is 10/10

[void ocean]

i was fine with all 4 of em, Kush, Perfecto, JPC, exile

was switching between their streams always

[void hound]

does havoc play inertia/momentum still?

[void ocean]

havoc rogue? 😄

[strange rover]

Kush plays havoc

[void ocean]

naaa, he will be rogue

[strange rover]

only Perfecto playing rogue atm and will probably get dropped

[acoustic lodge]

Yeah rogue in a rough spot

I still don't understand why and how BM is played. You can cast sequence their entire rotation lol

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/panicking-gif-22262539

[delicate rover]

I got that minute cooldown bomb trinket and it pairs really nicely with sec tec burst

probably not that good because rng but heck its immersive

[solemn creek]

Whats the link to hachadino' guide?

[void ocean]

I mean, Liquid doesnt have arms as well

[strange rover]

they have fury though

[void ocean]

true but arms suppose to be superior

[acoustic lodge]

Probably a survivalbility issue

[clever delta]

love raids w/o single rogue

but ppl say we blast at heroic

smile

[delicate rover]

World first races are not a good example of raid layout imo

[strange rover]

i mean funnyest part is that they nerfed sub when they overbuffed flat damage to compensate tierset nerf

[void ocean]

i honestly believe this patch to be a sub renaissance

[strange rover]

and what a surprise sub was blasting with s1 tierset

[lucid jackal]

If ur not in the RWF, a spec being brought or not brought doesn't matter

[clever delta]

you are right

but

at the same time

[acoustic lodge]

i mean, meta will change in may when the next patch comes out. Till the next meta change

[delicate rover]

Say it louder for the people in the back

[clever delta]

this gave idea to all WR 200 guilds to maybe not bring rogue either

[lucid jackal]

No?

[delicate rover]

play what you like and what you're good at and the game will be bette rfor you

[clever delta]

yes

[lilac stag]

They’re a perfect example of how specs perform with end level gearing.

[strange rover]

if your spec not performing well it affects your game enjoynment directly cuz you are less likely to get invited into grps

[lilac stag]

So when you’re 250-400k behind other specs in ST. Good luck.

[delicate rover]

No they are an example of whats currently broken given the gear and exploits available. Not a true sign of balance

[acoustic lodge]

Oh, boy. the debates are coming in hot

[lucid jackal]

Guys are you aware of what boss they are on

[lilac stag]

gear exploits? kekw

[void ocean]

sub rogue dead. any link to ret discord

[bleak night]

rogue not brought to a single fight where ranged damage is significantly more important, atro is not important because its pass/fail mechanic, and no good rogue loot

its obviously doomed

reroll

[lucid jackal]

Its so stupid

LOL

[lilac stag]

nah. Get brought in for dagger boss incase it drops.

[acoustic lodge]

Sub will be meta on gally. That's all that matters

[clever delta]

pinky promise?

[hazy breach]

NO STOP BRINGING CRITICAL THINKING INTO THIS

This is strictly a dooming session

No logic allowed

[delicate rover]

https://tenor.com/view/tonight-doom-gif-19873326

[void ocean]

its a trash boss and sub is not trash, ergo not picked

[lilac stag]

chris cross applesauce pinky promise.

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-doom-gif-20941238

[keen dome]

Not purple enough

[void ocean]

I swear TFD in m+ is just too op

if tank is not a fckin chain puller, that is

[clever delta]

its good but i experince lot of chain pulling this season

[spark tusk]

re-ROLL?? LIKE THE TRASH BALLS ROLLIN INTO THE BOSS? NO THANKS YOU

[vale pine]

https://tenor.com/view/katamari-katamari-damacy-we-love-katamari-gif-1240111969308469290

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/katamari-gif-25794846

fukc

[keen dome]

If you have the trashmaster title on then you are the master of trash

[vale pine]

they def. influenced their design from theis game

[bleak night]

now i want to play katamari again

oh its 100% based on it yeah

[void ocean]

got it today

[delicate rover]

I hear people dreading getting the katamari bomb trinket

[terse dirge]

is the sim correct for new tier sets? swapping my old 4 set out for 2 set 2 set is like 6k less.

@vale pine

[vale pine]

2p2p is bad

so posisble

the 2p after nerfs is kinda meh

the 4p is what you want

[terse dirge]

alright thats all i needed to know. i wont waste my time trying to farm top for the chest then.

i was thinking it was going to be a powerspike so ive been spamming for a piece to catalyze before reset lol.

[smoky vault]

But tbh this is very bad design, sitting here with 20+ ilvl set part or convertible ones doing less DPS if 4p S1 broken

[dim stream]

i cant see elemental focus'es damage on details

anyone knows why?

[smoky vault]

Blizz is very shitty on this

[bleak night]

i mean they would just nerf old 2p and we'd be worse until we get 4p

wait wrong channel im dumb

funny how sin and sub are exact opposites about 2+2

[tepid trellis]

exile sat himself on it, cuz its useless to bring a rogue on it (as in the gear that drops there) and it makes more sense to just bring in another WW or warrior or smth like that

[swift tinsel]

What a mensch

[lucid jackal]

How can I make this about me being a victim though

[tepid trellis]

ehmmmm,

[swift tinsel]

“Exile sat himself bc sub is doomed”

[tepid trellis]

"Windwalker does what rogue does but soooo much better can blizzard please fix their shit"

does that work?

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342596269193039943/9l2o5h.gif

[lucid jackal]

you forgot the part where all guilds in the top 200 range are now thinking about not only benching, but kicking their rogues from their guild

[mortal snow]

Good evening everyone, will we get a Catalyst charge on Tuesday or only the following week?

[swift tinsel]

And also making them delete their rogues from their account

[tepid trellis]

true lemme fix

[swift tinsel]

And dagger drops from raid are replaced with disenchanted daggers

[tepid trellis]

"Windwalker does what rogue does but soooo much better can blizzard please fix their shit, now my RL tells me to reroll BM hunter cuz im too stupid for critical thinking"

[sullen hare]

My raid got double reverb daggers and I was on my healer. Suffering

[bleak night]

nice, now im a victim and bm hunters get shit on

its perfect

[tepid trellis]

best i can do while watching solo leveling

[swift tinsel]

Shit I still gotta catch up

[smoky vault]

Not bringing evoker too and yet they perfrom well so ... they have their reasons

[tepid trellis]

nah class dead

Dev evoker was too hard for them to play

and aug is dead

so back to the bench they go

unfortuate

[swift tinsel]

I tried dev and the complexity broke my mind

[fathom gazelle]

how ? my sec tec always doesnt come before the 2nd sd

[tepid trellis]

you arent meant to use two inside of 1 dance

[fathom gazelle]

wait what

isnt 1st sd sec 2nd sd cold and sec?

[tepid trellis]

1 sectech per dance

and the 2nd dance in cds

has the CB sectech

[fathom gazelle]

yeh whats what i though but this is a log from top rogue here , and he is using sec inside flag window and the other sec before the 2nd sd and without cold hmm

[thorny zodiac]

my 1h tricks is only 30sec??

[tepid trellis]

proc it

[swift tinsel]

The initial buff is

[tepid trellis]

go hit something

[paper iron]

i love the dooming on the no rogue for one boss progress

sub kinda becoming outlaw channel slowly

[random hare]

this boss is bad for rogue

and u dont need the poison dr here

its literally just bombs management

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-put-that-evil-on-me-michael-clarke-talladega-nights-take-that-back-dont-do-that-gif-21688874

[scarlet radish]

What’s the benefit of using backstab in a macro with shadow dance? Is it a talent or does Exile from liquid just do it

[paper iron]

yea i mean it makes total sens to not bring a rogue, but people are just going crazy

[random hare]

idk never saw anyone going crazy

xdd

[tepid trellis]

just a small dmg optimization

[random hare]

besides

[paper iron]

What is the main difference between mythic and heroic on that dude?

[random hare]

i think sub will do one of the highest add dmg in the game if it was on that boss

[scarlet radish]

Does it just go off in the same gcd or something?

[random hare]

its just that sub wont do boss dmg at all if it focuses adds only

[tepid trellis]

no clue i dont use the macro, i just do it manually

[random hare]

honestly from the looks of it u dont even need deep adds dmg

just consistent add dmg is good

[scarlet radish]

Hmm

[random hare]

outlaw could've worked well here if it wasn't insanely horrible

good outlaw boss for sure

[smoky vault]

Maybe with more gear level, but for the start of WF it could be challenging

[random hare]

i mean ofc

it does look like a super easy boss tho

legit nothing new

[paper iron]

until u get targetted by the ball thing and lose all your uptime

[warm marlin]

only usable neck in raid + key loot rotation at 6/6 hero is a loss over my 636 crafted neck?

[paper iron]

no main stats on neck does that sometimes

[warm marlin]

looks like the crafted amulet is sticking around for a while

[hazy breach]

Boots are even more unholy

[warm marlin]

yea every single one having haste is rather cursed

2/33 items in dungeon pool being vers mast is an interesting choice

[hazy breach]

Crit+mastery is mostly fine