There is sheet we are at bottom
#subtlety
clever delta
vestal escarp
Lmao
sly shore
Yeah we are totally not performing as one of the best classes in raid rn
nope
not at all
fight design is really, really good for sub rogue rn
clever delta
Just wait for two more weeks when other ppl gear kick in
haughty mural
rain stratus
How big is the optimization?
sly shore
0.5%
barren wolf
There is sheet we are at bottom
in terms of tier?
these are the numbers for zenith token
the 12% is prot warrior btw
sly shore
barren wolf
stop smoking
clever delta
these are the numbers for zenith token
It's from old to set to new set
clever delta
We beat only evoker
tribal blade
Any backstabbers in the chat?
i keep forgetting to do it
sly shore
bro the set is fine ur just an idiot, straight up
clever delta
No
barren wolf
why do you bring up old set
vestal escarp
i keep forgetting to do it
Good
clever delta
You compare from old 4p to new 4p
wild vine
I'm hoping for a piece next raid, sitting on 2 catalysts and an omni
sly shore
sub is performing incredibly well in the raid and in keys
what shit do you have to be smoking to ignore that
tribal blade
I'm hoping for a piece next raid, sitting on 2 catalysts and an omni
pray!
haughty mural
tier lists and random sheets 
sly shore
supplying idiots with confidence for years
vestal escarp
Sub godcomp member??????
barren wolf
ww has some dogshit tier set from nerubar. it asks me to drop both 2pc and 4pc for 1 random 652 gear piece
is that better?
than being stronger week 1
vestal escarp
Whats UM for? Who made this sheet
barren wolf
undermine bud
vestal escarp
It's LoUm
clever delta
Sub rogues already max out in raid there is no scaling like others have its always like that
vestal escarp
clever delta
When i sent droptimzer for heroic raid full upgraded there is no real gains
west arch
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
haughty mural
im already maxxed out ?
time to raid log
tribal blade
i knew the day would come sub is finally a meta spec and the channel is on fire
keen dome
I only sim 10k less with the pvp trinket over transmitter. I think I am gong to throw transmitter into the bin.
clever delta
If you have transmitter and crafted dagger than yes
keen dome
Maybe only having a normal transmitter was a blessing in the end
tribal blade
the true meta is decided in the .5 patch
when blizz decides to completely throw everything in the air and see what sticks
vestal escarp
???
barren wolf
sub has its strength assa has its strength
barren wolf
keen dome
sub has its strength assa has its strength
Strong Subs
vestal escarp
keen dome
Strong Asses
tribal blade
nike's right, he was just making an observation
barren wolf
tariffs
clever delta
Was disappointed with fucking one armed bandit, wasted all dmg 0n adds and had ahitty overall thanks to that
vestal escarp
^ me chilling and taking rl flame
clever delta
Hold flag for next set and than it sync
worn cape
-# Me waiting patiently for Hachadino's timing videos.
clever delta
-# Me waiting patiently for Hachadino's timing videos. <:garf_sit:13348894294493...
Just check loggrs everything there
We had only like 3 pulls
So wasn't mastering coins
I think I had lot of them tho
It's cool
tribal blade
my RL will legit kill anyone who tries playing around the coins
how close do you need to be to them
vestal escarp
Cause it's player controlled
vestal escarp
how close do you need to be to them
Close To The Edge
queen kraken
guys what kind of duration are we simming for aoe situations?
tribal blade
Close To The Edge
i might test it, but i feel like i just take the L
because my RL has been stressed af and i don't wanna put him over the edge haha
vestal escarp
Coin doers might just casually grief melees
clever delta
I think you need to kiss coin little bit
vestal escarp
Depending on how the raid moves
tribal blade
yeah if you need it to graze your ass i'm not gonna try
vestal escarp
Thats not an issue really, takes very little to take confidence
The problem is the coins might just not come there 
sly shore
guys what kind of duration are we simming for aoe situations?
dungeon slice
lilac stag
The 20% are the flag windows tho <:skull:1121119354260562100>
So useless on sub.
willow aurora
guys siphoning stiletto is bad?
lilac stag
if you like rng it’s lovely
tribal blade
it's amazing until you hit a shitter mob with it and the proc becomes useless
deep glacier
hello - is it bad to have a 2.6 attack speed weapon in offhand for sub?
sly shore
sly shore
hello - is it bad to have a 2.6 attack speed weapon in offhand for sub?
use daggers only
barren wolf
fish and chips,mayo and a cold beer
mayo fucking sucks
sly shore
you probably should have tartar sauce with fish and chips, yeah
hollow raft
dance stacks and use of sec tec? any number you want before you send it?
keen dome
I could go for some fishie chips, damn
barren wolf
ive had fish and chips only once, when i visited london
and they were great
but that was cause i went to eat in the morning when they just opened
so everything was freshly made
keen dome
Did you have mushy peas
grizzled bobcat
Is there any WA to know how many enemies i'm hitting with my flurry?
round latch
mayo fucking sucks
cant say what sucks or should but love u bb
tribal blade
Blades now goes before sec tec right with the shadow component fix ?
cast blades before the clones hit
round latch
tribal blade
That works?
yeah it needs to be like roughly 0.4s before the clones hit
because of server tick
realistically you can press blades at any time after you consume premed and before clones hit
any time in that window
is gucci
silent ruin
Ok thanks
round latch
you probably should have tartar sauce with fish and chips, yeah
its a fishsauce according to them,ive ordered,tastes like cilantro with something else,quite tasty
tribal blade
i'm setting up my winning streak WA with 2pc
tested it on dummies
coup has consumed winning streak every single time
cringe
tribal blade
less cringe when i get 4 set 😉
keen dome
coup has consumed winning streak every single time
😭
tribal blade
pretty excited to get 4 set
vestal escarp
2p alone is ragebait
rain stratus
pretty excited to get 4 set
Any chance you'd share your 2p WA?
tribal blade
yeah the 2pc is garbage
valid vault
should we be running ascendance or just focusing lens for prog?
tribal blade
Any chance you'd share your 2p WA?
i found this https://wago.io/OVo0EGaAv and modified it
but this one is set to only show on max stacks
vestal escarp
I asked LE to make a very degenerate 2p tracker but they rightly refused
tribal blade
you can prob just use the preset function in WAs to make one, it's not too difficult
tribal blade
I asked LE to make a very degenerate 2p tracker but they rightly refused
hahaha
rain stratus
Thanks!
tribal blade
i modified it to look like this
tribal blade
so it matches LE's was
random hare
except resto
radiant shore
random hare
pure st 
radiant shore
soimeone explain this shit to me
it did nothing in a dungeon, but sims really high ?
so only good in st?
hard wren
which lvl delve gives max ilvl now
random hare
resto is skyfury
tribal blade
omfg
sly shore
so only good in st?
it's not great it just has main stat too
tribal blade
bar too small = doesn't exist
keen dome
goodbye forever, you terrible fucking trinket.
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
keen dome
What are people planning to do with HoC, btw? macro to blades or manually push?
hollow raft
its 1,5min aswell isnt it?
keen dome
Yeah
hollow raft
i would just bind it tbh
tribal blade
yeah can just macro to blades
keen dome
That was my thinking, Prophet but wanted to see what others thought 'cos I might be missing something obvious
sly shore
blades is ideal
vestal escarp
Id macro to blades too
vestal escarp
Cant think of reasons not to
keen dome
Hell yeah
umbral topaz
goodbye forever, you terrible fucking trinket.
Man one day that will be me, untill then... JUMP THREE TIMES
hazy breach
Yep macro with blades
keen dome
Rad
tribal blade
yeah there's 0 downside to macroing to blades i can think of
keen dome
Ditto but best to check. Rad, thanks everyone 
hoary coyote
hey guys
after new transimiter nerf is the mythic transimter better than hc house of cards?
vestal escarp
Might not at 6/6, sim it
flint widget
guys how much secondary stats does maghar racial give
wild hornet
For vexie on mythic, do you save cds for the bikers after doing the opener or fo you just full send and get a sectec off if time allows
lilac stag
6570
plush roost
Idk what that means
tribal blade
haha scath was responding to daethiel i think
plush roost
Oh small brain
vestal escarp
6k highest?
tribal blade
also i think mehdi was asking about the 10% nerf to transmitter last reset
flint widget
Idk what that means
sheesh
plush roost
Oh okay so mythic transmitter still BiS af then cool just checking to see if im stuck with this stupid trinket
Had the orb fly into gallywix hole during splits
Xd
tribal blade
i just had the orb go under the table on the last boss of cinderbrew and i couldn't pick it up
plush roost
Omg same
tribal blade
can't wait to take off this piece of shit
plush roost
I wont be until it gets nerfed, or a vault slot with nothing good in it pops up for me later in the season xd
west river
what talent build are people running for m+? never played sub but looks sick
plush roost
Check the pins
plush roost
Basically, single target build with TFD, Rotten, and Improved storm
west river
tribal blade
i accidently did a floodgate with my raid build
it was only -15k ish dps than the M+ build give or take
keen dome
i just had the orb go under the table on the last boss of cinderbrew and i could...
Hahaha
tribal blade
was so confused when i was spreading rupture and it wasn't spreading until i realized i'm dumb
keen dome
This trinket is a curse.
tribal blade
This trinket is a curse.
it's so bad
tribal blade
yeah it's crazy good for sub
keen dome
Def a blessing for me to only have the normal one
I get to throw it in the bin and use the pvp trink
tribal blade
I get to throw it in the bin and use the pvp trink
oh nice
can you link what you're using
keen dome
It's something like 800~ agility less than a NOrmal transmitter
About a 10k difference on the sim
jaunty umbra
worth it, fuck transmitter
vestal escarp
11k is better than normal radio?
tribal blade
def not
but it does have crit stat stick instead of haste
which gives it a slight bump
keen dome
11k is better than normal radio?
Normal radio is 12kish
tribal blade
oh i'm stupid i didn't read you said normal radio
tribal blade
my brain read that like "normal" as in myth track
keen dome
My curse turned into a blessing
I imagine if you have a Heroic or better the difference is considerably more than 10k
tribal blade
the thing is if that pvp trinket was a 1.5 min cd
the main stat would be bumped up
and it would probably be great for us
keen dome
Yep
As it is, it's still a fantastically accessible alternative until HoC
(If you have a Normal transmitter and don't care)
keen dome
I'm 99% sure I'm gonna gain more than the 10k difference haha
latent parcel
I'm 99% sure I'm gonna gain more than the 10k difference haha
Fastest way to cap conq if ur not a pvper?
keen dome
Weekly quests.
1.5k honour, 4 battleground wins, 100 sparks. That's about 500~ conq
And then just do war mode boxes or random bg's etc
Took me maybe an hour to grind it out this morning.
Oh, also the brawl victory quest if you get lucky in a good group
void hound
has anyone fucked with finality instead of rotten for m+?
trail furnace
Hey guys, I’m new to the disc, I posted on the forums for help but didn’t receive any responses, I just want to make sure my aoe rotation is correct because my damage during large pulls is SUPER low (below the tank) almost every time. My current aoe opener (for raids and m+) is Stealth > Shadowstrike priority target > Shadow Dance + Symbol > Shuriken Storm > Black Powder (Repeat storm + powder).
Is there anything im missing? My single target damage is pretty decent it’s just aoe that I’m struggling with greatly in terms of output
brisk raptor
When playing sub I notice some guides mention sending an evis before ST while in shadow dance. In others, it’s reversed. Any comment on why or it just doesn’t make enough difference to matter? I dunno why you wouldn’t want the extra finisher damage on ST every time
wise pilot
!wa
wicked joltBOT
wise pilot
someone know a wa for track the winning streak ?
trail furnace
Spreading Rupture increases dps by a lot? I normally just applied rupture during downtime but I guess it makes sense
I read the icey veins guide before but just looked at the wowhead one, seems a lot easier to understand
latent parcel
Spreading Rupture increases dps by a lot? I normally just applied rupture during...
From what you wrote first, rupture is not the solution
celest night
!up
wicked joltBOT
keen steppe
in df there was a WA that shows the mobcounter in a pull this wa still exist?
void hound
Spreading Rupture increases dps by a lot? I normally just applied rupture during...
rupture is decent dmg
and the best finisher to use when the tank is pulling stuff together or you arent in CDs
sinful marten
what does 2+4 piece mean
hazy breach
Both 2 and 4p
ie not only the 4p
So its not 3+11
its 3% for 2p, and 11% for both
sinful marten
how can you have 4p and not 2p?
hazy breach
You cant
sinful marten
isnt 2p implied when you say 4p
hazy breach
well i could write that the 4p is worth 8%
And since 2p is worth 3%
It would be 11% total
hazy breach
Yes its good
void hound
its really good
sinful marten
is there any farmable alternative to it
hazy breach
Pvp trinket is not too bad
But not really otherwise no
90s is just too good
And the only options are transmitter or house of cards
void hound
@hazy breach if i want to use the backstab tech i imagine i go dance - backstab - symbols/sectec
so i dont waste rotten on backstab or is it whatever?
hazy breach
Its whatever
void hound
its not too bad honestly
void hound
i have it macrod on flag
and make sure to spawn the task in a good place
since it always spawns north east from your character
sinful marten
i have it on flag as well but i hate losing uptime during flag
void hound
you dont lose uptime tho
sinful marten
if i get the circle and the target im hitting moves
void hound
you complete the task during your rotation
sinful marten
yeah but the targets are moving and i have to sit in that shit for like 2 seconds
void hound
thats why you hold on for a while
and spread rupture
until the pack is pulled together
alternatively, spawn the task in the direction the pack is moving
that works too
dusty totem
I know aug is bad right now but how well does sub work with aug in keys? I assume pretty good because of high burst but i am not sure
void hound
furthermore, its not a huge deal not getting every flag global in in the beginning since the main benefit from flag is the mastery buff
so as longs as you dont lose dance globals
its fine to complete the task for a second or two while flag runs
void hound
there is easier burst in the game for sure xd
but thats what you signed up for with sub
sinful marten
like sometimes i dont get 2nd sec tech during transmitter buff and i get pissed
it feels like if i had a normal trinket it would be 10x more consistent
tribal blade
dw a lot of people feel the same way
keen dome
Boss 1 of ToP is a dream.
void hound
that sucks but happens sometimes
civic lava
Is there any particular Delves you guys would recommend as rogue to levle up fast ?
tribal blade
it's gonna be very hard to pass up whatever myth track pieces i get from vault this week
i gotta just eat not getting house of cards for a while even if it ends up in vault
sinful marten
btw does anyone know how good are tiersets for classes that share tierset tokens with us
who is prio on it
brisk raptor
Is 4pc last tier simming better than 2pc / 2pc in m+ and raid for everyone else too?
tribal blade
Is 4pc last tier simming better than 2pc / 2pc in m+ and raid for everyone else ...
yes
the new 2pc by itself kinda blows because it has no dance protection so it's just perma dropping
sinful marten
btw are anyone simms really low for some reason
my biggest upgrade in heroic raid is like 1.5%
tribal blade
btw does anyone know how good are tiersets for classes that share tierset tokens...
iirc we're amongst the highest benefit out of the zenith token
sinful marten
and im comparing it to 665 item lvl
zenith egret
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sinful marten
iirc we're amongst the highest benefit out of the zenith token
nice
my whole guild is simming like 4% and 5% on many items in raid
and my highest upgrade is like 1.5% eye of kazan
tribal blade
yeah we're not gonna scale as much as other classes
sinful marten
how is assa and outlaw gonna scale?
tribal blade
i honestly have no idea, but i imagine the same rate
tribal blade
i'm just trying to stack as much vers as possible atm since it's a new tier
more dr better
tough bronze
does somebody know why Capo's Molten Knuckles wont show up on sims?
lilac stag
btw does anyone know how good are tiersets for classes that share tierset tokens...
Arms = Sub >> everything else
sacred magnet
What would be the best race for raiding and m+? I know maghar sims the best bust isnt dwarf the best combination for both content?
lilac stag
does somebody know why Capo's Molten Knuckles wont show up on sims?
We don’t get 1h so they won’t show in droptimizer
unless you hit offspec toggle
trail furnace
From what you wrote first, rupture is not the solution
Then what’s the solution? From reading the wowhead guide it seems like the only thing I’m not doing is spreading rupture
frail path
Is there any particular Delves you guys would recommend as rogue to levle up fas...
Tak'rethan, can stealth the whole dungeon, killing only the boss. Takes 2 minutes to get to him.
Edit: today in EU, that is
jaunty heath
Is 4pc last tier simming better than 2pc / 2pc in m+ and raid for everyone else ...
For some reason it sims higher for me by like nothing (3k) but id guess it has way higher variance so ill prob hold off until 4 set
full acorn
When is it worth switching tierset
jaunty heath
When sims tell you, most likely 4 set
So far I haven’t seen anyone besides myself sim better with 2pc 2pc
Probably if you have veteran old 4pc and hero new 2pc then ye
Idk why mine does I had mythic 4 pc 
brisk raptor
When playing trickster in M+ I’ve found it difficult to know when to use black powder. I find myself using evis 99% of the time. Is there a target count that makes it worth it? Is it ever really worth using during dance?
keen steppe
Tak'rethan, can stealth the whole dungeon, killing only the boss. Takes 2 minute...
which delve is it?
nvm found it x)
tribal blade
When playing trickster in M+ I’ve found it difficult to know when to use black p...
7+ targets start using BP
supple river
guys anybody know when to get rid of old tier set? or just siming?
paper iron
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
indigo steppe
is it worth it to craft weapon if i have 60 gilded?
haughty mural
absolutely
indigo steppe
bet thanks
haughty mural
weapon is big
paper iron
👍
oops
that s not this paragraf
but yea anyway, weapon as a melee is 99% of the time just the play
indigo steppe
last season i was getting into game and crafted siphoning stiletto and now im so scared to waste shit lol
haughty mural
well that was because stilleto is bad
not because weapon is bad
craft regular dagger
indigo steppe
was thinking of that but i dont think im gonna be able to do a 10 haha
hollow spear
If you can't make a 10 happen this week or kill first boss mythic
Weapon has to be the play imo
Maybe if you're new and don't have transmitter you could argue waiting for a heroic hoc in vault
indigo steppe
thankfully i have transmitter was one of the only mfs to play sub in m+ last season hahahaha
wild hornet
Im still considering if i should bother crafting a weapon and embellishments
Got myself two champ daggers
frigid prawn
!wa
wicked joltBOT
hidden jetty
hi guys, can someone recommend me a decent guide for M+/raiding Sub after latest reworks? last time I played it was during S2 of Dragonflight
lilac stag
!guide
hidden jetty
thanks a lot!
lilac stag
all three are fine. Method and Iv slightly more up to date.
manic ivy
guys is it ok to craft cloak + boots if I have 2 hc daggers?
lilac stag
You can sim it. Likely not. You want mythic MH
Embellishments are shit compared to mh dps
hidden jetty
I'm currently still playing Sin spec (639 ilvl with heavy mastery and crit), should I perhaps wait until I get the new tier set before trying to re-learn sub or rather try and jump right into it?
clever delta
Any smart ppl around, what's the tier set bug dps loss
lilac stag
whatever makes you happy. Both specs are fine to play.
tepid trellis
@alpine wraith is this okay?
lilac stag
sonic hamlet
is it verse & mastery on crafted dagger?
lilac stag
Yes, but you can sim it as well
vale pine
is it verse & mastery on crafted dagger?
always vers mastery for sub
keen dome
It's been however many years since BfA and I still immediately mess up the stupid stealth bit in Workshop. 
keen dome
So long ago.
swift tinsel
and now we get Horrific Visions and Corruptions again
keen dome
Finally I can one-shot myself on a raid boss.
"Watch this"
Sectec -> crits self for 60m damage
brisk raptor
7+ targets start using BP
Thanks. On 7+ targets is it still useful to use shadowstrike as your builder during dance?
sly shore
bfa released in 2018
the amount of years between now and 1990 is the same as between 1990 and 1955
swift tinsel
I didn't need that on my birthday dude
keen dome
swift tinsel
rude
keen dome
I'm too old.
jaunty heath
I didn't need that on my birthday dude
Happy birthday 
swift tinsel
I was born in 1990 today
swift tinsel
lmao
vale pine
I didn't need that on my birthday dude
happy birthday, welcome to the ancient club
swift tinsel
keen dome
sacred yarrow
happy bday dave
jaunty heath
I‘m a 99 Dave so I can’t relate yet but my back feels like it’s from the 70‘s so maybe that counts
jaunty heath
Guys I have a question
Whoever this dude called Dave is that this girl knows
Should we be concerned
Hiding in the bush n shit
ivory quarry
looking at my logs i noticed my nimble is substantially lower than my secret technique and looking at logs by top rated player it should definitely be the other way around, suggestions? clues on why or what i might be fucking up?
swift tinsel
Should we be concerned
nah I'm more concerned about Jane
ivory quarry
i suspect my uptime on flawless?
frail path
Easy to forget when aoeing, good to track if you don't and have to weave a backstab in
ivory quarry
(it sits at 80% on that key, should be ok considering a couple fo deaths)
worn schooner
are there any symbols macros I can bake into the rotation? Like can I macro it with dance or anythign else?
dense stream
can we use 2pc and 2 pc ?
tepid trellis
looking at my logs i noticed my nimble is substantially lower than my secret tec...
depends on how many shitters you hit with sectech
to extra pad
twilit phoenix
Also, won’t your nimble damage naturally be lower if you’re bp’ing more?
paper iron
Stealthi how the 4p feeling on keys? And by feeling i mean numbers 
tepid trellis
Stealthi how the 4p feeling on keys? And by feeling i mean numbers <:happy_holid...
its fine, a bit hard to see how much dmg i actually do when ive got a 4p Ret and a 4p warrior in my group
shit dies
very fast when we have cds
paper iron
yea quickly watched, i heard ret 4set is just "hey u dont spend any holypower just smash"
dense stream
what gcd opener u do for aoe
fathom gazelle
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fathom gazelle
All like .1 of each other
all u mean even dusk? coz im leaning always towards more vers
lilac stag
Sure. They all suck.
lilac stag
Welcome.
haughty mural
when i craft my gilded weapon i'll probably just slam ascension on it and be done with
or lense
lilac stag
Tell your healers to get better
haughty mural
True and based
uncut hinge
!wa
wicked joltBOT
subtle jay
am i correct with macro?
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/use 13
/cast Shadow Blades
/use item:212971
/use item:212265
mighty citrus
the stiletto dagger counts as a normal emb so i would have to delete one of my other two correct?
mighty citrus
the thing is i thought i would not have time this week so i crafted hc dagger
now i had time and could farm gilded
and wonder what to do with it
i thought about something like this
wrong build though, as it is mplus
subtle jay
ele focus lens in crafted dagger + 2nd crafted piece
paper iron
am i correct with macro?
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/use 13
/c...
i would probably put trinket into flag, but idk if that s a thing with house
hexed sluice
Stiletto gaming let's go! I'll probs be doing the same
vale pine
am i correct with macro?
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/use 13
/c...
looks fine, not sure about the item id's
swift tinsel
i would probably put trinket into flag, but idk if that s a thing with house
You'd want house with blades bc same duration
subtle jay
looks fine, not sure about the item id's
item id's are tempered potions
swift crest
how to get 2nd crafted piece after using a spark?
paper iron
You'd want house with blades bc same duration
i see
subtle jay
one fleeting and another is default
vale pine
oh okay
vale pine
how to get 2nd crafted piece after using a spark?
i think you can only unlock one crafted piece this week, at least on higher item levels
inner pollen
are people crafting the dagger or something else?
vale pine
using id's is smart, it means you can't be wrong
swift tinsel
I started using them when my flag+pot macro wasn't potting lol
subtle jay
also i think i should rearrange stats in my gear a bit
vale pine
are people crafting the dagger or something else?
some wait for their drops before crafting, others just craft a dagger
iron fjord
!fuu
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heady sierra
I didn't need that on my birthday dude
Happy b-day 
fathom gazelle
did they fix the dagger crafting trick?
fathom gazelle
also i think i should rearrange stats in my gear a bit
i heard truestatsvalue isnt accurate on the penalty thing
sly shore
did they fix the dagger crafting trick?
yes
subtle jay
xd
oh, message got erased
gotta pay attention and type /use 13 instead of /cast House of Cards
brain melts heavily
devout basin
do we Shurkien storm once in aoe dance for FW debuff + DM stack if so when in dance do we do that
leaden prairie
did you relog
icy mulch
Ya
leaden prairie
seems fake
icy mulch
Different crafters, different missives
vale pine
this apperently works still
leaden prairie
fake news
icy mulch
Spent like 100k lol
leaden prairie
it will work for me
vale pine
it will work for me
fathom gazelle
fake news
i just did it and didint work for dagger recrafted them for all diff stats :c
icy mulch
Manifest
fathom gazelle
it will work for me
GL gamemaster
night rampart
any way to avoid having to shadowstrike twice during dances to get your cp for the finishers? sometimes im dancing fine with just 1 strike between finishers and sometimes i get cucked
limber relic
So I got lucky and got double hero track daggers from the 3rd boss so you guys think hold off on crafting a 675 dagger or just send it still?
nocturne birch
Would end up with dagger + wrist or cloak probably, so just make your armor item now
limber relic
Thats what I was thinking...still using 636 crafted cloak for embelishment so maybe i just send that
teal island
yo , whats the emb we should craft on the dagger ?
vale pine
ancendence or lence
teal island
Thank you:)
hazy breach
So I got lucky and got double hero track daggers from the 3rd boss so you guys t...
Weapon is going to be way more damage anyway
Assuming gilded craft
vale pine
main hand weapon item level is one of our strongest upgrades
mystic ether
With Focus lens embellishment?
teal island
ancendence or lence
.
tepid trellis
@tribal blade 
limber relic
Hmmmm so im hearing send the dagger anyway....that works then Ill just send some crests to upgrade a hero track OH with it
twilit phoenix
Weapon is going to be way more damage anyway
gz on heroic mugzee
how did that feel on heroic vs normal
we just got up to bandit
tepid trellis
same shit
twilit phoenix
is there a big dps check or anything?
sacred yarrow
sorry if this gets asked lots but do we track supercharger?
twilit phoenix
sorry if this gets asked lots but do we track supercharger?
you don't really track it
just know that you get 2 charges of it when you symbols
and one of those has to be for sectech
analog grove
hey
i kinda fucked up and crafted 658 dagger
and now i can recraft it into 675
Should i do it?
or upgrade other items
twilit phoenix
did you use runed crests to craft it?
sacred yarrow
I'll prolly have to so I dont accidentally muscle memory just press eviscerate 🥲
twilit phoenix
or the free heroic crest
analog grove
or the free heroic crest
i did use the quest crest
proud bramble
How much do u wanna rupture in keys?
proud bramble
kk tyty
hexed bluff
Feck, that's hawt
shell willow
yeah i cant wait to be free of transmitter hell
alpine void
that was my note on rcloot
limber relic
yeah i cant wait to be free of transmitter hell
Can't be in transmitter hell if you never got a transmitter
alpine void
"please save me from the hell that is transmitter"
shell willow
TRUE
hazy breach
how did that feel on heroic vs normal
Like stealthi said mostly same shit, we ended up pushing the boss earlier than we wanted to because we had too much dps so not really too hard
But we got a bit baited by people saying it was hard so we didnt split. Probably couldve
Not the end of the world though
gloomy slate
dat moment when u played sin most of last tier and ur best transmitter is normal and house of cards went to dh 
hazy breach
Unluck
gloomy slate
wish blizz added more 1.5 min trinkets
autumn flame
How long is the burn phase on mugzee
fallen crescent
dat moment when u played sin most of last tier and ur best transmitter is normal...
Hoc and eye of kezan went to an undergeared priest
twilit phoenix
Like stealthi said mostly same shit, we ended up pushing the boss earlier than w...
ya I think they're doing some extra days this weekend for mug and potentially gally
but i'd rather key tbh
and keep my vault with just first 6 loot to fish for cards
keen dome
Dreaming of a heroic drink.
twilit phoenix
Who needs kezan anyway <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
haha not like I'd be getting it
autumn flame
Imagine
hazy breach
First map last season: Knife
First map this season: Energy drink
My delve luck is unholy
keen dome
Blessed
subtle jay
I tried this week and it didn’t work either
however they didnt fix circlet ring abuse yet
that lets you upgrade rings to 658 for free
fallen crescent
Do delvers bounty only drop in bountiful delves in s2?
twilit phoenix
however they didnt fix circlet ring abuse yet
nah they didn't
siren isle was poppin last night
did they fix crafting too?
subtle jay
nah they didn't
well that's what im saying xd
subtle jay
did they fix crafting too?
craft is fixed it seems
twilit phoenix
rip
brisk raptor
Anyone have an easy way to track mob count to know if should use black powder or not
fallen crescent
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
subtle jay
**Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:**```#Showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast [bonusbar:1] ...
explain why someone would use it please
im too braindead rn to understand it myself
subtle jay
thx
sacred yarrow
thank you
twilit phoenix
it's like .5%
sacred yarrow
explain why someone would use it please
I have my keys to repeat once per second so I just press dance so it also does backstab for 1 stack DM and then release
chilly kite
i just macro it into the dance itself is that not optimal?
hard trellis
seems sus
sacred yarrow
I assume the macro only does backstab if its on your stealth bar.
into the dance itself it will always cast backstab, even if dance not up/no charges. For energy optimization its prolly not for the best
chilly kite
i have backstab on the non stealth bar where my shadowstrike is, so if stealthed i shadowstrike if non i backstab, i only have the backstab macroed into the backend of the dance macro for key simplicity, i had rupture but it seemed a waste of cp's
hate not having something that uses a gcd on a non gcd key
lilac stag
Anyone have an easy way to track mob count to know if should use black powder or...
Your eyes. 7 nameplates? BP. Not sure? Just evis
sacred yarrow
even though there should be a broker out there for that amount you'd probably have to do it yourself
chilly falcon
!macros
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Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
quaint lodge
Anyone have an easy way to track mob count to know if should use black powder or...
mob count weakaura tracker
tells u how mant movs are near you
chilly falcon
macroing Dance symbols is not that good now right? sometime i use symbols to gain a bit of energy to use a finisher to have dance up and then i use dance with symbols cos its macroed and i lose 1 charge of symbols
vale pine
!bs
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
lilac stag
You’ll run out of energy out of cds.
vale pine
this macro can help too if you want to optimize backstabby
lilac stag
Just accept healer dps
mint saffron
What embellishments do i go for sub if i mainly focus on m+? is it still Lens?
twilit phoenix
this macro can help too if you want to optimize backstabby
someone asked earlier, but I wasn't clear on the answer. Will the macro lead to potential losses, or is it one of the acceptable ones?
Finally got used to unmacroing CB + ST
icy mulch
Raid loot this tier is sick, so much mastery and vers gear that nobody else wants
lilac stag
What embellishments do i go for sub if i mainly focus on m+? is it still Lens?
Ascension likely your best choice. The real answer. It don’t matter. They all suck.
chilly kite
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mint saffron
Ascension likely your best choice. The real answer. It don’t matter. They all su...
Thanks - Will go for ascension then 😄
pure jay
Finally got used to unmacroing CB + ST
Why unmacro these?
twilit phoenix
Why unmacro these?
because you want to cold blood the 2nd sectech in your cooldown window
instead of the first
pure jay
Hmmmmmmmm
twilit phoenix
its buffed by more flag/flawless stacks
pure jay
Fk
night rampart
i mean you can macro it, just have a nonmacrod sectech for your first during flag
twilit phoenix
yeah you can do that too
night rampart
its easier for me that way, may be for others aswell
is it normal to sometimes have to strike twice during dance windows to get to your 5cp?
tepid trellis
you wanna finish on 6 but yes
night rampart
i meant 6 yea
i cant count
i just send when 1cp is missing
it just feels so bad to end on 5 and have to strike again but then i cant fit an evis into dance
ebon oyster
!GUIDE
lucid jackal
ebon oyster
wdym
i type guide in every channel whgenever i wanna find out sth
or i tag @empty hornet 
cedar eagle
Ascension likely your best choice. The real answer. It don’t matter. They all su...
Ascension no good in keys
white thunder
does the opener change with new 4p? ran a few dungeons with it and completely forgot those stacks even existed
vale pine
i type guide in every channel whgenever i wanna find out sth
its not bad
clever delta
Are you guys playing around tier set in m+
It feels giga annoying
Sometimes it dosnt even fully stack in cds
vale pine
you play just as much around tier in st as you do in aoe
white thunder
anyone have WA for stacks?
swift tinsel
I had some early tier tests that only stacked up to 2 in cooldowns
truly cursed
thankfully was only ~1-2% of the time
rancid axle
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lilac stag
Ascension no good in keys
It’s fine in keys. It literally doesn’t matter.
They. Are. All. Shit.
vale pine
technically
silken is better in aoe
but also its very close
well danthread is what i mean
hollow snow
Cloaking offensively= profit
shy scarab
!sod
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Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
winter oxide
what triggers getting full combo points after using a spender?
sacred yarrow
shadow blades stacks
hollow snow
I think he means the refunds
winter oxide
ah yes I mean the refunds
twilit phoenix
ah yes I mean the refunds
check the WA packs in here that have a specific tracker for their stacks
helps a lot so you can anticipate resets
!wa
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hollow snow
Yeah the refund sound is bis
oak grotto
https://gyazo.com/2b4c47577cabf8ae5b35a9114a1badc7 Would it be worth to just pump this to 8/8 Champion asap?
I dotn really raid so I dont think I'll be able to get the passive raidtrink
cinder surge
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cedar eagle
It’s fine in keys. It literally doesn’t matter.
Look at uptime on it on average, it takes time to ramp, if you were building optimal for keys youd go dawnthread not ascension which was his question. If youre a m+ only player dawnthread sims better and has no ramp time
hazy breach
Sure but "sims better" in this context is like 0.1%
twilit phoenix
but it sims better eleem
muted frigate
are my sims wrong or is House of Cards legit the only better on use trinket im compasrison to myth transmitter?
hazy breach
are my sims wrong or is House of Cards legit the only better on use trinket im c...
Yes
Thats correct
twilit phoenix
it's the only good 1.5 min trinket this season
muted frigate
i dont wanna chase orbs anymore
hazy breach
Theres no other 90 second cd trinket
swift tinsel
Unless you wanna throw a bee at stuff
twilit phoenix
Theres no other 90 second cd trinket
well acktually
hazy breach
The only other somewhat not horrible option is the pvp trinket
twilit phoenix
there's that shitter delve one
hazy breach
there's that shitter delve one
Ye it gives haste 
umbral topaz
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
muted frigate
well ty
hazy breach
Haste is not as bad as people think for sub, but its not good in big bursts, its good for sustained increase cp regen
muted frigate
im glad i got that energy dring trinket from my delve map though hehe
cinder surge
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
hazy breach
im glad i got that energy dring trinket from my delve map though hehe
Same bud 🤝
swift tinsel
I'm hoping my loot/delve luck ramps up bc I've been able to equip 2 pieces of loot so far lol
vale pine
lapis hatch
What’s best way to get delve map? Work up to 8, get it from a random drop?
keen dome
Hey, at least it isn't the literal trash trinket
swift tinsel
I'm still amazed they made a mid trinket worse
muted frigate
What’s best way to get delve map? Work up to 8, get it from a random drop?
if you wanna spend gold or 2000 undercoins that wave item
hazy breach
What’s best way to get delve map? Work up to 8, get it from a random drop?
Work up to 8, buy the wave item from AH and use it to get a guranteed map
hazy breach
It summons the delve boss (like zekvir from last season)
swift tinsel
is the wave thing once per week like buying keys
muted frigate
you spawn underpin or w/e his name is and get map
hazy breach
is the wave thing once per week like buying keys
No but it has a 60m cd
lapis hatch
Ah I see underpin drops
swift tinsel
oh really? so you can force a map, good to know
hazy breach
But you can only get 1 map per week
swift tinsel
is that locked behind delver's journey progress or can you buy it any time
hazy breach
You can buy it of AH
twilit phoenix
is that locked behind delver's journey progress or can you buy it any time
you can buy them on AH
swift tinsel
yeah I figured they wouldn't let you circumvent that
swift tinsel
I'll have to wait for next week
hazy breach
More like 30k, atleast on eu
twilit phoenix
or I mean
swift tinsel
how do people get them to be able to sell?
twilit phoenix
you can use it in whatever difficulty, right?
hazy breach
They drop from delves
twilit phoenix
you just use the map
hazy breach
Or you can buy them for delve coins
swift tinsel
Ohhh gotcha
blissful shore
is it worth getting 4 set now? or should i wait until next week and mby catalyst a myth track item?
hollow spear
what if you got a map already? does that prevent you from getting it from the boss?
swift tinsel
I'll try buying one next week then
I'd assume so
and they made undercoins untradeable in warband so you can't just feed your main to get them easier
hazy breach
what if you got a map already? does that prevent you from getting it from the bo...
Yes
lapis hatch
What’s the item on AH called
bleak night
i bought the item from the ah then the underpin spawned in the next delve i went to
before i coudl even use it
guess its a 12k investment for next week now
midnight tulip
!log
rocky axle
Hey guys I’m returning after a big season 1 break and I’m a bit confused. I’m looking for sub / general ressources :
- is there any fine tuning talent-wise for a few extra % depending on the encounter ?
- is it recommended to save up on crests for crafting a dagger/embellish ? Spent a lot for 8/8 champion chest by accident am I fucked ?
- I feel like my danses/ bursts aren’t consistent. Are we always looking for 3 sectech during bursts ? If so, should we always sectech asap during SB or are we building danse macabre stacks for 2nd danse ?
Ty!
uncut grove
uhh guys
my simcraft says that 2+2p is a dmg loss for me on dslice
am i trippin or thats true?
slate lantern
2p is garbanzo beans
remote rapids
aren't maps guaranteed drop of one per week now?
dry plank
I have 0 maps so
jaunty umbra
they are max 1 per week now
remote rapids
ok, already got mine this week then so guess no need for the map
full wyvern
Is there a bug rn with macros. I'm noticing sometimes when I use my flag macro, it'll just stop after using the trinket but not actually applying flag while in range
vale pine
Hey guys I’m returning after a big season 1 break and I’m a bit confused. I’m lo...
-# 1: You can switch between shadow focus and improved storm for minimal dps diffrences. Most of the optimizations are in your actual play not talents tho.
-# 2: Dagger is the best immidiate upgrade, you can either just craft or wait to see your loot drops or potential vault before crafting.
-# 3: All guides discribe this well, you essentially want to have 2x secret 2x symbols 2x dance each 90 second, and want usually one time symbols + dance + secret between your 90 secound cooldowns. Dance is used back to back in the 90 secound couldowns, you wan to use cold blood on your second secret and secret as fast as possible to generate flawless form stacks.
haha, this is super tiny
keen dome
Teeny tiny whispers of advice
vale pine
aren't maps guaranteed drop of one per week now?
each time you get no map you have a higher chance to get it next time
gritty gorge
When playing with DS - you strike until 5 targets always, correct? Just one Shuriken for safe crit?
vale pine
you can also be lucky and get the new mech guy to spawn
keen dome
I wonder if killing him in his personal delve drops it too?
vale pine
When playing with DS - you strike until 5 targets always, correct? Just one Shur...
Deathstalker starts using storm on 5 targets in dance, correct
orchid sand
we dont rly play around winning streak anymore right?
or do you want to kinda hold out a bit just before cds?
vale pine
I wonder if killing him in his personal delve drops it too?
did not in s1, so would assume same in s2
gritty gorge
Deathstalker starts using storm on 5 targets in dance, correct
okay quick sime apl on raidbots seems to be a bit sus
bleak night
-# 1: You can switch between shadow focus and improved storm for minimal dps dif...
asmr fuu advice
keen dome
did not in s1, so would assume same in s2
Ditto, might check next week
bleak night
it did not drop on ?
vale pine
okay quick sime apl on raidbots seems to be a bit sus
the sample sequence is from one specific run, can sometimes have edge cases showcaased
remote rapids
the opener on wowhead got updated? no more vanish in opener and no evis then rupture?
gritty gorge
Deathstalker starts using storm on 5 targets in dance, correct
and ty! on 2-4 do you shuriken once? or still no shuriken in dance?
vale pine
the opener on wowhead got updated? no more vanish in opener and no evis then rup...
yes, i updated it recently to reflect the backstab changes and a small simplification eleem found
remote rapids
so vanish is just used ... like whenever outside of CDs?
vale pine
simpler = better in my book ^^
vanish just for the free cp
very much utility spell with small dps impact
i like it
gritty gorge
yes, i updated it recently to reflect the backstab changes and a small simplific...
What is the small simplification? 😄
remote rapids
wasn't it always Symbols > Dance before? but now Dance > Symbols? what effect does that have?
cinder surge
should we not have symbols of death + shadow dance as a macro? even if we have them on two seperate buttons?
vale pine
What is the small simplification? 😄
you can just go into cooldowns
so you strike-flag-rupture-cooldowns
instead of vanish-strike in between
trim wing
Any reason not to macro Secret Technique to Shadow Blades since we should be at full cps when popping those
vale pine
we have no plater profile suggestion sadly nelf
shell delta
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vale pine
!bs
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:#Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
small stream
what are the best talents for M+ for sub right now ?
random comet
is a 1% simdps loss worth being able to throw transmitter away?
(this is mostly a joke)
unless...?
hollow spear
if it's actually only 1% and you struggle with transmitter, you could go for it
random comet
struggle is too strong a word
i gues what im not good at with transmitter is baiting it in a safe direction
dry plank
W8 backstab in dance returned? It first generator in first dance of each burst now?
random comet
like i had the circle spawn in oil puddles on the first boss so i kept sliding past trying to stand in it
chilly kite
that stupid trinket procs haste like 80% of the time for me
random comet
yeah
i reckon i probably get proper value from transmitter 80% of the time
15% of the time i lose uptime trying to get the orb or circle
5% of the time i literally lose it entirely
chilly kite
if i ever got transmitter to drop i'd be using it, but i'm stick with funhouse and suspicious energy drink, energy drink has like 50% up time at least
random comet
and i actually died on lockenstock trying to catch the orb because the suck was going on and i was trying to jump and i ended up mis aiming and jumping off the edge 😂
void ocean
and i actually died on lockenstock trying to catch the orb because the suck was ...
no shadowstep to the rescue
if we wanted to take shiv, what would be the best thing to drop?
m+ ofc
swift tinsel
I drop rushed setup if I need to
random comet
no shadowstep to the rescue
can't remember exactly but they were either both on CD from racing to him in intermission or im just bad and was already mentally overloading trying to get the orb and execute my in-cd rota
i'd try the lens out but it's only that close at 4/6 hero and not sure i want to invest 45 runed into a test
random comet
imagine if it had been one of the other trinkets that's actually good
(my lens, not your drink)
twilit phoenix
did you do the undercoin 2000 thing for the delvers bounty or just lucky boi
i just bought that delve thing off of ah
and used it in my 8
slate lantern
i just bought that delve thing off of ah
BIG SPENDAAAAA
random comet
whats it called?
slate lantern
ya
twilit phoenix
ahhhh wavescrambler
ya just buy it and use it in a delve
random comet
25k on frostmourne
twilit phoenix
kill the dude it spawns, and loot the map
they're like 12k on illidan rn
or at least they were when I got it a few days ago
random comet
im not short of gold, maybe next week i'll throw a few in
slate lantern
pretty easy to price fix tbh, but idk if gambling 25k on the heroic is worth....
slate lantern
im not short of gold, maybe next week i'll throw a few in
its basically just to guarantee a map, so you still only can do one a week to get the heroic piece
slate lantern
ok i got a natty map drop already so
then you chillin
random comet
im chillin until i pop transmitter then it's panic stations
PLEASE BE THE ORB
im gonna be so happy when house of cards shows up in my vault on the last week of 11.1
twilit phoenix
im gonna be so happy when house of cards shows up in my vault on the last week o...
bruh I just want out of transmitter hell
these 30 man raids
with the orb floating around all those spell effects
it just aint it
random comet
that's it man, you can't see ANYTHING
twilit phoenix
wish you could toggle other people's spell effects in raid or some shit
random comet
running around in the midst of it all hoping it's orb and i accidentaly touch it
twilit phoenix
or at least the ones you don't need to see
random comet
wish you could toggle other people's spell effects in raid or some shit
well. i thought you could but
twilit phoenix
i don't need to have ravagers, bladestorms, or remorseless winters on my screen
i'd rather just see the amzs or barriers and shit
twilit phoenix
what does it filter?
random comet
"only show essential spells"
"your spells are always shown"
not sure consecration like a mini sun on the ground is essential
shell willow
lol cant find the orb can't see the pad
just let me jump 3 times unless i get snared then i cant do that either
BIN THIS FUCKING TRINKET ALREADY
atomic girder
chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb chase orb
lilac stag
you all complaining a lot. It’s not changed since s1.
strange rover
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slate lantern
you all complaining a lot. It’s not changed since s1.
still worth complaining about!