week 2 10% aura buff and we would be so back
#subtlety
dusty totem
chrome palm
might see sin on one armed and mugzee in the race but probably sub outside of that
pure jay
might see sin on one armed and mugzee in the race but probably sub outside of th...
why not outlaw? siming higher in general isnt it?
rugged condor
with the sin buff+sub nerf, sin finally ahead of sub in execute
before that, it was pretty much equal 
dusty totem
why not outlaw? siming higher in general isnt it?
Have u ever played outlaw on prog????
pure jay
Have u ever played outlaw on prog????
I think I did on some in voti
chrome palm
why not outlaw? siming higher in general isnt it?
sub has burst, sin has execute, outlaw has sims
night rampart
dont tell him 
rugged condor
i think this will be outlaws best tier in awhile tbh. adds on a bunch of bosses. the problem is that outlaws dps profile sucks, and it needs good uptime
pure jay
sub has burst, sin has execute, outlaw has sims
thats fair
brave moth
why not outlaw? siming higher in general isnt it?
Outlaw always sims higher
hard trellis
i guess its a little confusing
brave moth
it is sim bait
hard trellis
dont i want symbols going for the full duration of dance
chrome palm
trickster outlaw gonna be the star of the race for sure
pure jay
Outlaw always sims higher
I didn't think it was for palace, might've just hard comitted to sin and ignored them then
rugged condor
trickster outlaw gonna be the star of the race for sure
fr
brave moth
I didn't think it was for palace, might've just hard comitted to sin and ignored...
For Palace idk I ignored it then, but last 4 tiers I simmed it, it was always top sim.
rugged condor
dont i want symbols going for the full duration of dance
nah that doesnt matter, you want symbols for sectech. symbols+dance will naturally overlap because of that
brave moth
It is kinda fun to play but you need 95% uptime or more
quick swan
FB Sin just sitting on the sidelines never getting a second of playtime lol
pure jay
It is kinda fun to play but you need 95% uptime or more
for sure
brave moth
and if you die with KiR you are useless. Better die again and wait for wipe
rugged condor
is fatebound sin still +/-10% dps variation
hard trellis
nah that doesnt matter, you want symbols for sectech. symbols+dance will natural...
so basically i just symbols before i sectec
thats all
night rampart
95% uptime is the doable part, the hindring part is that nagging feeling in the back of your head when you have to play mechanics
quick swan
On top of the fact FB is just worse defensively too yes
dusty totem
It is kinda fun to play but you need 95% uptime or more
And even with 95% it will be bad is closer to 99%
pure jay
and if you die with KiR you are useless. Better die again and wait for wipe
felt that way with deathmark haha
hard trellis
at that point why not macro symbols into sectec then
brave moth
felt that way with deathmark haha
DONT START ME ON THAT SHIT
night rampart
at that point why not macro symbols into sectec then
we already told you. scroll up
rugged condor
so basically i just symbols before i sectec
depending on which part of the rotation you're in. its either symbols-sectech or symbols-evisc-strike-sectech
molten citrus
it is sim bait
its not bait if sims were never meant to provide that kind of information to begin with
brave moth
And even with 95% it will be bad is closer to 99%
I wanted to say you need 100% ish uptime but didnt want to overshot
brave moth
its not bait if sims were never meant to provide that kind of information to beg...
That is why it is sim bait
pure jay
i need jpc to come back so I know what to do. 
twilit phoenix
He was posting in here earlier
brave moth
We need JPC in a call with Top 1 Chinese outlaw rogue and a translator 
pure jay
We need JPC in a call with Top 1 Chinese outlaw rogue and a translator <:kekw:61...
dont the chinese have less rng and more gurantees with their buffs
rugged condor
night rampart
that goes against the spirit of their love for gacha
hard trellis
!guide
molten citrus
pretty sure they play the exact same base game as us
night rampart
didnt they not have skeletons?
brave moth
dont the chinese have less rng and more gurantees with their buffs
True, government had to step in to fix outlaw
brave moth
didnt they not have skeletons?
Not much death things shown
pure jay
its the whole gambling thing
molten citrus
graphics and mounts n shit are different
pure jay
and how its not allowed in ANY aspect of their day to day
brave moth
That is why they are top spenders on Gatcha mobile games
molten citrus
sounds untrue afaik
brave moth
Yoo where is Ramfam I forgot about him
paper iron
he gone
twilit phoenix
Trickz is a CCP asset
paper iron
Left when aug released
brave moth
he hasnt been streaming since s2 of DF, yes?
twilit phoenix
We’re getting ramfam’s life story in 2/3 rogue channels
paper iron
"i ve to do stuff in real life and i wont make any comeback as long as aug exists for sure"
brave moth
I think I saw him here some time ago
paper iron
i swear
twilit phoenix
Go tell everyone in sin
paper iron
i m going
brave moth
"i ve to do stuff in real life and i wont make any comeback as long as aug exist...
So he might comeback soon ??? Aug dead !!
solemn lance
I'll have to sim. I only have a heroic transmitter and a bunch of other mythic trinkets. I assume it'll still be trasmitter
paper iron
but the current state of aug is just bullshit
molten citrus
I'll have to sim. I only have a heroic transmitter and a bunch of other mythic t...
until you get a decent s2 trinket ye prolly
twilit phoenix
Still in transmitter jail until cards
You’ll probs take a heroic cards sooner now if I had to guess
molten citrus
ye think so
especially if your transmitter is only heroic
pretty sure even mythic transmitter is replaced by heroic HoC now
pure jay
You’ll probs take a heroic cards sooner now if I had to guess
is cards good? thought nerfs were making it worse?
maybe im mixing it up with eye
brave moth
HoC are good but there will be 10 people before I get it
twilit phoenix
Loot it in first vault ez
cunning elm
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lyric venture
i think i broke my sim
lucid jackal
Sword in main hand
lyric venture
yep
spark plinth
New meta
twilit phoenix
How the latam players in my keys be playing
polar sentinel
Is there any decent S2 trinket in M+ to replace transmitter?
I checked Fuu's guide, but there's no usable trinkets except HoC.
swift tinsel
That’s pretty much it
Honeybee one I think sims pretty well
Remnant wasn’t bad
We aren’t exactly spoiled for choice with trinkets this season
polar sentinel
If I get Heroic Pacemaker, then is it better than transmitter even it's not usable one?
@swift tinsel I will check them, thx.
cunning elm
Hey where was that sub spreadsheet?
I thought it was the !fuu but thats a different one
slate lantern
Hey where was that sub spreadsheet?
cunning elm
ive been getting mixed answers on the Bp vs evis in 5+ targets
On the sheet it says 5 targets is that still correct?
molten citrus
pins
cunning elm
Ive heard 5 ive heard 7
molten citrus
its 7, as written in the pins
slate lantern
On the sheet it says 5 targets is that still correct?
i would say that the guides and pins here are going to be most up to date than the sheet
cunning elm
its 7, as written in the pins
Thanks bud as I said I heard differnt answers so im seeing if that is updated 🙂
cunning elm
i would say that the guides and pins here are going to be most up to date than t...
Excellent a real thought out answer thank you ❤️
Last question. I observed some rogues on the PTR opting to go 1 pt in finality instead of first dance. As well as Improved storm instead of rotten. Thoughts? Im assuming the sims say first dance is better but it doesnt seem to be very practical in keys. Any ideas?
That was 2 questions
cunning elm
oh my lord
molten citrus
tfd should be fine on practicality in keys
it's strong
even if you aren't getting constant restealths it's fine
modest delta
Are there conditions where we dont bp at 7 or more targets
or always? even in dance etc (obv without sectech)
tribal blade
if you want more prio dam
tribal blade
should you be using symbols for BP?
i don't fully understand what you mean
modest delta
maybe for some big ahh pulls that live long? or only sectech still
tribal blade
symbols should (almost) always be used paired with dance and sectec
modest delta
like if you have a huge first pull and you already sectech n now ur bp spamming, should you ever symbols BP at all?
molten citrus
symbols supercharges your next 2 finishers
modest delta
ya
molten citrus
so you can use it on a BP and a tech
but symbols should always be paired with a tech
tribal blade
if you're going to use a symbols you want to use it when sectec has 10 secs or less on cd
modest delta
does it matter if u use sectech on the first anima charge or second? or just irrelevant?
molten citrus
doesn't matter
modest delta
kk
hard trellis
!guide
molten citrus
each charge just adds the combo points to the next finishers
dense coyote
ok so .... I have the opener and rotation down significantly more from yesterday thank goodness
austere zodiac
kk
bro if you have a team doing 2m dps overall and each player gets a 1% dps overall buff the total dps increase isnt increased by 1%
modest delta
ah, a fan
honest saddle
how much worse is it to finish at 5+ in dance and 6+ out?
I'm pretty sure it used to be that
but guide says 6+ now
obtuse shard
Feelingcraft, it feels bad when you need to send another shadowstrike at 5 cp in dance
honest saddle
each charge just adds the combo points to the next finishers
that's kind of true, but inside flag blades you need to go secret tech first so you have the cdr for the second tech, and outside cds you would want to sec tech second so you get the macabre stacks from eviscerate.
swift tinsel
aw hell yeah transmitter nerf
honest saddle
Feelingcraft, it feels bad when you need to send another shadowstrike at 5 cp in...
I mean it used to be optimal to go 5+ in dance. I wonder when that changed
swift tinsel
I can replace mine at 649 with current gear
shell wyvern
is there a reliable method/WA to know when my next finisher is going to backfill from shadow techniques?
i know how it works in principle but really struggling with it
shell wyvern
hmm okay, ty
swift tinsel
so if you use any kind of combo point tracking weakaura and you want it to be more obvious, you can add conditions to change its color or play a sound or whatever when you have 7 during symbols
or if you track sht stacks
royal swallow
Is there still the bug where ST is on cooldown but not showing on cooldown?
lilac stag
No
royal swallow
yeah I figured out my problem, mb team
honest saddle
if transmitter is down another 10%
does this mean queens or skardyns is better?
I doubt.
yeah, I don't think that even moves the needle on us using something else
it's just a flat our nerf to us then, and the only thing it changes is that we can take a heroic house of cards (which every body else needs more than us) instead of a mythic and have it be an upgrade.
tacit aspen
so if you use any kind of combo point tracking weakaura and you want it to be mo...
got a reco'd WA?
dense geode
house of cards will be the biggest upgrade for sub rogues in wont be close
still quartz
!wa
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rocky ocean
gamba
tacit aspen
i use LE's and I don't see where it tracks your shadow techniques stacks
swift tinsel
I have my own combo points with colored rings for 1-7 and 8-14
tacit aspen
oo
honest saddle
house of cards will be the biggest upgrade for sub rogues in wont be close
that doesn't help us if we already have transmitter
we won't get the trinket ever
rocky ocean
jump three times
dense geode
if its the biggest upgrade
you will get it.
unless your guild doesnt gaf about sims
and whatever u do
tribal blade
so many specs want it
honest saddle
with transmitter nerf, its maybe a 30k increase for me
so yea, the back of the line man
dense geode
DH sim is fake asf
swift tinsel
I can replace mine with a normal version house 
dense geode
that isnt correct
honest saddle
he may have bad gear, but the other 15 dont.
dense geode
the only perosn its better for so far is evoker
honest saddle
transmitter already exists and is damn near as good even with a 10% nerf
so if you have a transmitter
going to house of cards is not really much dam
but for others its a ton
if you don't have transmitter, then yeah, house of cards probably is an insane amount for rogues
dense geode
theres also a bunch of alternatives those classes can use...
because they are a2m class
honest saddle
tell that to the monk getting 123k from it
you think I am gonna get it over him
NEVER
oak rune
123k?
rocky ocean
10 targets
lilac stag
monk can use 2 mins as well
honest saddle
who knows, he may have a dog trinket
lilac stag
house of cards is still far and away bis for sub over the other specs
honest saddle
I am gonna have to vault it
lilac stag
really depends on how smart your LC is
oak rune
Yea u should report that monk
honest saddle
look how many of them have it listed as bis
lilac stag
and there's one, 2 if you count SV M+
dense geode
well yea its BIS but that doesnt mean much of who it should actually go to
honest saddle
agreed
oak rune
This sub should draft a statement that we can send to the gm or rcloot when this drops
lilac stag
yeah how many are getting mythic HoC.
oak rune
And pin it
lilac stag
which is your bis comparison
dense geode
the only classes you actually fight for is warrior/ret and any other 1m 30 specs
honest saddle
and have to vault HOC
dense geode
anyone else can just farm priory
oak rune
Gm and gm’s gf plays warrior and ret
swift tinsel
lmao GL
limpid spear
i'm new to sub i was just wondering do we hold shadow blades until we get the masteryu buff?
lilac stag
!guide
honest saddle
ok boys, I've got the "secret tech". Instead of wearing 639 transmitter for my droptemizer #s. I am gonna put on a dog trinket like sacbrood or something to juice the #s so I look like the monk
oh shit, did I accidentally sim with the wrong trinket on
still quartz
👀
honest saddle
better give it to me!
dense geode
the monk in that picture doesnt even have a on use btw
paper iron
I can replace mine with a normal version house <:2ez:587982296066424843>
i can replace the one i never got with a lfr house 😎
oak rune
What app dis
swift tinsel
i can replace the one i never got with a lfr house 😎
honestly wish I never got one, the TTS will haunt my nightmares
paper iron
Just dont use a tts
swift tinsel
won't have to soon
potent relic
honestly wish I never got one, the TTS will haunt my nightmares
jump three times
swift tinsel
I use fuu's and added my own so it just says "3" or "orb"
flint widget
!wa
wicked joltBOT
rocky ocean
_jump three times_
COLLECT SPHERE OR MURDER YOUR FRIENDS
swift tinsel
I was watching one of hacha's videos and his orb had like a pillar of light above it so it was way easier to see, was so jealous
bleak night
best drop i never got
swift tinsel
I got wildly lucky and got a warbound champ track one on my mage
then a hero track on my rogue in the next vault
oak rune
Does Tt ilvl matter much?
swift tinsel
dictates how strong it is and when you replace it
honest saddle
What app dis
It's very good for raid planning
steel horizon
a 665 house of cards is currently simming as a 0.2% upgrade over my 626 transmitter. wow
swift tinsel
really?
tight monolith
the nerf not in sims yet
honest saddle
yuhp
swift tinsel
weird, my 626 gets beat by a 649
steel horizon
the nerf not in sims yet
transmitter nerf?
tight monolith
yeah
bleak night
L boso
honest saddle
we will still use the fucking thing
bleak night
bozo even
oak rune
Why won’t monks use it
bleak night
shouldve just been using shit trinkets to begin with
steel horizon
damn man. sub really got fucked on trinkets this patch
bleak night
then its an indirect buff to you since every other rogue got weaker
tight monolith
Why won’t monks use it
can prob use priory
but they will use it
but they do got alternatives
steel horizon
weird...
bleak night
beats my stuff too
steel horizon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u8B8jUqPwGtGcAAGK8YXtC
you dont have transmitter equipped lol
bleak night
oak rune
Turbo drain 5000
bleak night
my nickname in college
steel horizon
Turbo drain 5000
ornate heron
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steel horizon
626 transmitter?
lilac stag
It’ll be fine. Real sub rogues persevere.
steel horizon
yeah so looks like you're keeping that transmitter till you grab a mythic house of cards lol
honest saddle
this isn't taking the 10% nerf to transmitter into account
but even 10%
yeah, its probably still mythic
honest saddle
on it
steel horizon
665 is realistic to obtain early on at least
honest saddle
steel horizon
oak rune
Better qol
honest saddle
100%
oak rune
At lfr tier
steel horizon
Better qol
big true actually
ill almost be happy with the wash in damage as long as i never have to play transmitter minigame again lol
honest saddle
whats the max ilvl of a normal HOC
steel horizon
whats the max ilvl of a normal HOC
658
honest saddle
ok
I bet after the 10% nerf
a 658 is better
or equal
that gives me hope
I can at least tell those mongrels to let me have the normal one
young mural
i need to get rid of transmitter as soon as possible
steel horizon
looool
cunning elm
Hey I have a question. If we are in symbols but without SD, flawless form up, do we use storm to build and then finish on evis? or are we using backstab?
young mural
worst trinket i've ever had to use
cunning elm
or in that case to we finish using black powder?
honest saddle
or in that case to we finish using black powder?
how many targets
cunning elm
( in aoe)
cunning elm
how many targets
that was going to be my part 2 question. is there a target count that changes that answer
swift tinsel
are you simming on Nightly or Latest
cunning elm
I get when to use evis vs BP in aoe in CDs but I was wonderif that changes if in symbols but no dance with flawless form up
honest saddle
?
swift tinsel
it is
honest saddle
swift tinsel
there's a notable diff in % between nightly and latest
cunning elm
like do we use backstab to build or is it ok to use storm?
honest saddle
there are you final #s (Nfinity is 639 transmitter)
tribal blade
Hey I have a question. If we are in symbols but without SD, flawless form up, do...
storm to build, evis or BP to finish depending on target count
you generate WAY more CPs using storm
cunning elm
storm to build, evis or BP to finish depending on target count
and then back to SS with SD up
tribal blade
and then back to SS with SD up
yeah exactly
cunning elm
is there a time where we just do the old storm black powder spam?
or is that totally gone
tribal blade
yeah outside dance in aoe you can do that
swift tinsel
nightly vs latest for my gear
cunning elm
so regardless of target count we always use SS to build, but the finisher changes depending on target count
honest saddle
@swift tinsel that means were fucking stuck with this thing until they either buff the others, or we get Mythic HOC
swift tinsel
I can replace mine with a champ or hero track house
tribal blade
so regardless of target count we always use SS to build, but the finisher change...
strike first builder in dance, then storm, then strike the rest of the time if you're using BP
swift tinsel
since its 626
honest saddle
god bless
cunning elm
strike first builder in dance, then storm, then strike the rest of the time if y...
and thats to get the extra macab stack?
tribal blade
and thats to get the extra macab stack?
it's because rotten is bugged and will consume both charges with the 1st cast
lilac stag
via Rotten talent
cunning elm
oh they havent fixed that okay
tribal blade
and yeah you want to use rotten to apply FW to all targets for more BP dam
cunning elm
okay gotcha. So 7 targets or more we forget flawless form and nimble and just do the old Bp spam but throw in the SS first to use that rotten stack
tribal blade
you can ignore using storm if you're going to be evis spamming on less than 7 targets
swift tinsel
alright time to swap to jundies plater and tweak the shit out of it
ornate heron
are fuus sims not accurate for bis trinkets in the coming patch?
swift tinsel
they just nerfed transmitter so it might be different
but you can sim yourself and find out using the Latest simC version
ornate heron
❤️
tribal blade
okay gotcha. So 7 targets or more we forget flawless form and nimble and just do...
make sure in dance you're only casting 1 storm, rest strike
warm folio
is the new tier set worth tracking?
honest saddle
is the new tier set worth tracking?
not really, unless youre at 8 stacks with 10 seconds until flag and blades, maybe do a rupture and chill
warm folio
you can if you want to though
i kind of want to for completion's sake but if it doesnt change anything i dont see why adding more visual bloat helps
swift tinsel
that's my reasoning, yeah
swift tinsel
the stacks I have won't change my gameplay, the implications of losing any amount would
oak rune
Hoc scales better with agi though?
swift tinsel
I alway sim Latest bc of how often things change
lilac stag
626 transmitter vs mythic, heroic, normal (639 SG for giggles)
swift tinsel
I'm so happy I can replace it sooner
ornate heron
thats not a transmitter?
lilac stag
current gear is
ornate heron
oh ok
swift tinsel
if I nab one from normal tomorrow I'm taking a video of me not just vendoring, but deleting Transmitter
lilac stag
idk how BIS mythic transmitter guy is simming lower than me
honest saddle
I mean if nightly is showing my 639 as better than a 678 HOC
then it needed a nerf
lilac stag
it be what it be
honest saddle
I have a 626 void reaper
and im running improved shuriken storm
and I am a tauren
that might be the diff?
lilac stag
there's some life choices right there
honest saddle
yeah
lilac stag
yeah imp storm is whatever
honest saddle
whats your race?
bleak night
idk if you can ask that
lilac stag
only one worth playing on sub
tacit aspen
Hey I have a question. If we are in symbols but without SD, flawless form up, do...
if youre 3+ targets AND not in shadowdance, even in symbols you want to storm.
backstab and storm are whatever damage, and storm provides better combo point generation
oak rune
Only 20$ for 20k dps
lilac stag
priceless to not be a cow
mint lodge
trickster or DS?
honest saddle
I went cow when it was best in DF
lilac stag
never DS
swift tinsel
Trickster only
honest saddle
and havent swapped back
tribal blade
if youre 3+ targets AND not in shadowdance, even in symbols you want to storm.
...
2+
mint lodge
copy
molten citrus
tribal blade
trust you want to use storm on 2+
lilac stag
you're welcome
tacit aspen
trust you want to use storm on 2+
Whys that? it turns out to be better combo gen per energy point?
honest saddle
oh oh
swift tinsel
aw fuckshit, I have a 619 contract
honest saddle
swap them @lilac stag
random hare
Wait
honest saddle
make transmitter #1
tribal blade
Whys that? it turns out to be better combo gen per energy point?
more cdr
random hare
tribal blade
you generate more CPs using storm
lilac stag
i dont have a 639 transmitter
tacit aspen
you generate more CPs using storm
thats what i asked indirectly
random hare
What if x2 on use was the best all along
lilac stag
it's only .6 with heroic first
tacit aspen
you generate more CPs using storm
so why do some people, such as fuu, say to do it in 3+ targets?
lilac stag
swift tinsel
the true min/max is finding a way to play house and transmitter for a full tier
honest saddle
oak rune
Double on use - you guys found a way to make this worse
honest saddle
👀
tribal blade
so why do some people, such as fuu, say to do it in 3+ targets?
not entirely sure, sometimes things aren't updated
lilac stag
it's my goal in life to send outlaw enjoyers back to the void
tacit aspen
not entirely sure, sometimes things aren't updated
makes sense. thanks
swift tinsel
it's my goal in life to send outlaw enjoyers back to the void
sending outlaw enjoyers to the void casts Dispatch at 80% effectiveness
lilac stag
so the real play is use a 626 2nd trinket and then double swap trinkets once you get mythic HoC
they'll never see it coming
pow pow
what other problems need solving?
rustic geyser
kek
honest saddle
and it's S T E A M Y
tribal blade
is nightly actually updated with the nerf? my sims barely changed
tribal blade
ah ok
lilac stag
nightly has a standard push time afaik
tribal blade
oh i see ok ok
it did change and still barely on latest
unless transmitter is still just that good
lilac stag
it's broken on sub
pure jay
it's my goal in life to send outlaw enjoyers back to the void
Sub should go back to strictly pvp spec 😦
lilac stag
this shouldnt be a surprise
pure jay
Looks like I'll be learning sub though again
rose pond
will S1 tier sets stay active after S2 starts?
honest saddle
yes
chrome palm
is nightly actually updated with the nerf? my sims barely changed
i simmed it with current gear against a 626/629 transmitter which is where a nerfed 639 transmitter sits, and its about 6-8k less than 665 house of cards, a 15-17k loss in overall compared to before
odd fox
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tribal blade
i simmed it with current gear against a 626/629 transmitter which is where a ner...
oh good thinking
odd fox
When do we swap to new tier? Need to answer a question for our loot spreadsheet for raid tomorrow.
honest saddle
asap
molten citrus
When do we swap to new tier? Need to answer a question for our loot spreadsheet ...
!fuu
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molten citrus
There’s some comparisons in the sheet and in the pins
You’ll have to sim for exact answers
odd fox
There’s some comparisons in the sheet and in the pins
I saw those, tbh don’t totally understand them
molten citrus
Sim your gear VS normal/heroic/mythic tier
honest saddle
I mean normal caps at like 658, so yeah, even normal 4pc is better than our old 639 4pc
molten citrus
Ye ofc
But if you’re looking for exact percentages for loot council
Kinda have to run a couple sims yourself generally
honest saddle
I know that there isnt anyone on zenith token that is as good as sub bonus this tier
lilac stag
4pc sub still one of the highest percentages of all dps
molten citrus
ye i'm not saying it isn't or anything, just that some guilds want to know the numbers
raid tuning 
honest saddle
Nerf bm one day before, nerf transmitter 12 hours before
they are on top of their shit
broken swallow
Blizzard's snap decision making history is so bad too.
compact citrus
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fair anchor
There's been more changes to transmitter than lines of changes for rogue as a whole 
honest saddle
because scAth shamed my race
I am moving to Maghar Orc
I hope he is happy.
or should I just go orc
honest saddle
bleeds?
paper surge
while progging if we only have 626 transmitter, will it still be a solid option or only the 639?
chrome palm
while progging if we only have 626 transmitter, will it still be a solid option ...
It will only be replaced by house of cards
chrome palm
Yep exactly
paper surge
unrelated question...how are we supposed to craft 636 gear if they took all our crests lol?
stoic locust
what should my damage spread roughly look like in a dungeon?
red star
unrelated question...how are we supposed to craft 636 gear if they took all our ...
not possible, only recraft :/
tribal blade
i'm gonna see, if it's really as good as yoda says i'll stay dwarf, but if it's not super required i'm gonna swap maghar
gritty quail
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.why is maghar orc so good??
stoic locust
wait it's not recommended to macro cold blood + sectec anymore?
tribal blade
you get an on use every other cd set
tribal blade
wait it's not recommended to macro cold blood + sectec anymore?
you want to use CB on the 2nd sectec in cds, not first
you can use the macro still, just put it on another bind
stoic locust
i'm a bit outdated on sub
tribal blade
so you have regular sectec bind still
stoic locust
haven't played it since the rework early in the season
young mural
you get an on use every other cd set
i wasnt aware of that racial, its insanely good
tribal blade
yeah it's pretty good
thing is if dwarf is as busted as i hear it is might be worth staying it
sour forum
On one hand im glad i dont have to chase a crappy orb anymore
But it will take a while to get a house of cards 
tribal blade
it's gonna be tough trying to get one
stoic locust
thinking of getting back into sub rogue for s2, what are some of the common mistakes y'all see people make that i should watch out for?
tribal blade
thinking of getting back into sub rogue for s2, what are some of the common mist...
make sure you learn how to get the cd rotation down
and also make sure whatever you do you always have enough dance charges and x2 symbols charges for your next cd set
stoic locust
cd set is 2x dance right?
honest saddle
Flag blades 2x dance every 90 seconds
stoic locust
i'll assume thats both ST and AOE.
so for the CD on dance what roughly would i be looking at? like 1.2-1.4 charges?
honest saddle
Probably 1.5 to be safe
stoic locust
👍
honest saddle
Yeah what stealthi said
stoic locust
worth running tornado in m+?
tribal blade
worth running tornado in m+?
not really no
steel zinc
Rip transmitter
hollow spear
Did it get nerfed again?
stoic locust
another 10%
hollow spear
Oof
tulip gorge
Sub can’t take a break from nerfs huh
keen verge
Thank god, cant stand it
tepid trellis
10%
stoic locust
it was a 10% nerf
random hare
That sucks
tepid trellis
good change
random hare
So the old nerf is dismissed
stoic locust
so it's a total of 19% nerf from before any nerfs
tepid trellis
they want to us to now use old trinkets, but instead of buffing new ones, we nerf the old ones instead
stoic locust
200 iq
next instead of buffing talents noone wants to use, they'll nerf talents everyone likes
oh wait, they do that all the t ime
rugged condor
blizzard doesnt want to have us be too strong, so they wont buff new trinkets
hollow spear
So house of cards waiting line it is
fierce cedar
rugged condor
waiting for raidbots to be updated so i can see how big a 665 cards is for me
random hare
It’s like u have a piece of steak with fries on the side, but u have a little amount of fries which isn’t enough for you to enjoy, but the steak is really good aswell, instead blizzard will cut that steak in half to make sure the ratio to the fries is perfect
random hare
I’d rather be excited about the new trinket being good than my old trinket being nerfed when it was good
Like it isn’t even increasing our dps
Barely
leaden prairie
stoic locust
they don't have to make every trinket like that one trinket in azurevault in dragonflight s4
leaden prairie
Banger nerf
stoic locust
but come on
leaden prairie
Fuck transmitter
Can they delete it
Like accidentally
Like you login on release day
leaden prairie
And the item is grey in your bags
random hare
Baradin hold trinket should be back
leaden prairie
And you can't click it
random hare
Gives infinite agility and has agility stat stick 
leaden prairie
That would be cool
hollow spear
No more excuse for not getting your 2nd sectec into trinket buff tho
leaden prairie
random hare
Strongest trinket in history of wow
leaden prairie
No more excuse for not getting your 2nd sectec into trinket buff tho <:garf_sit:...
What
Who
Where
random hare
Baradin hold trinket is 10% ahead of bis trinket for sub
Too op
Wait no maybe for sin not sub
rugged condor
what is this baradin hold trinket
warm folio
does unseen blade damage contribute to nimble flurry?
random hare
And another agi stat stick that procs agi
40% uptime
Broken as fuck
Imagine having 40% uptime on transmitter
But
With agi instead of haste
compact citrus
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tepid trellis
does unseen blade damage contribute to nimble flurry?
yes
tepid trellis
round latch
<:think:678991980155371550>
ild ask u to play ur dh and go rated 2s with my priest but u gonna say again that u dont do pvp so ill just write this to fuel ur brain with just a probability
(boom 2.4 early seaon)
warm folio
Busted ?
that just sounds really good lol. on my character unseen blade hits as hard as a 7 cp evis
tepid trellis
ild ask u to play ur dh and go rated 2s with my priest but u gonna say again tha...
give me 22.49477mil gold then sure
tepid trellis
that just sounds really good lol. on my character unseen blade hits as hard as a...
it should do a bit below half
of an avg evis cast
during a fight
avg hit sorry
its like 70% of a shadowstrike
tepid trellis
dont trust tooltips
we have alot of talents that buff up Eviscerate shadowstrike etc
round latch
give me 22.49477mil gold then sure
for the difference in experience u should pay me but if its 22mil im game 
night sparrow
Hello guys o/ how do you guys manage rupture with Flagellation ? Since its effect last for 12+12sec, I sometimes find myself either having to refresh before pandemic window (before flag btw), refresh during Flag or don't give a F and refresh rupture when all my burst is done. What is the best option ?
tepid trellis
for the difference in experience u should pay me but if its 22mil im game <:star...
i used be glad bud
warm folio
dont trust tooltips
rip
round latch
i used be glad bud
yes and 😛
vale pine
Added the transmitter nerf to the latest pin
tepid trellis
i was perma'd back in warlords for rmting glad boosts
vale pine
👍 thanks blizz for last minute chanegs
leaden prairie
Transistor gone 
hollow spear
Sapzilla already red name again
vale pine
Transistor gone <:WICKED:934132365851246692>
read the pin ^^
round latch
i was perma'd back in warlords for rmting glad boosts
doesnt say anything to me,ive crushed glads even previous season
also there are boosted ppl
tepid trellis
read the pin ^^
he made fun of the name you called it
round latch
like half the ladder
leaden prairie
read the pin ^^
You know I can't read
tepid trellis
its transmitter
leaden prairie
Ye
vale pine
he made fun of the name you called it
haha
leaden prairie
Fucking trinket man
vale pine
somehow always use the wrong word
rugged condor
Im not a pvper by any means, i remember getting 1800 week 1 this tier in solo shuffle, i crush this guy in 20s of the round starting, next round he's on my team and gets on a df glad mount bro didn't even press wall
hollow spear
Blizz transphobic confirmed actually
When does a nerf like that hit sims usually, fuu?
Not that you have a hand in it, but generally
leaden prairie
Immediately
hollow spear
Dang
leaden prairie
Or like within the hour or 2
vale pine
When does a nerf like that hit sims usually, fuu?
when spell data are updated in simc
leaden prairie
If it's like a live thing
rugged condor
@vale pine i noticed the bis gearset has a crit verse neck, is that really better than verse mast?
vale pine
there is a semi automated process, so fairly fast
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> i noticed the bis gearset has a crit verse neck, is that r...
its funny because i did sim it yesterday
vale pine
because i think @steel zinc asked
but i did put the mastery/vers neck in a sim
and the mastery/vers boe
vale pine
and tried what embellishment slot was best
vale pine
funnily enough the raid neck with crit is better
worn cape
Added the transmitter nerf to the latest pin
Is rainboots raidbots or is it some new technology I’ve never heard about?
steel zinc
because i think <@312625131686068234> asked
What exactly? How much does transmitter Effekt us?
vale pine
oh no
basically what i found was
the dagger in offhand with mastery/vers
is the best slot for the 2nd embellishment
leaden prairie
<@352916297262301194>
I'm at work
random hare
Ye but
leaden prairie
Also what keys
vale pine
even if you include the mastery/vers boots
leaden prairie
Ye but tomorrow I told you already
vale pine
diffrence is like 0.2% tho
random hare
Oh true
vale pine
so if you want, can def. go with neck too
random hare
Nice
leaden prairie
I'm playing from 8 to 00h zeross
rugged condor
funnily enough the raid neck with crit is better
im surprised but whatever the sim wants the sim gets
leaden prairie
vale pine
What exactly? How much does transmitter Effekt us?
basically nothing changes... let me show you what i mean
vale pine
this is the transmitter sim pre tier set nerf
leaden prairie
Most keys done at the end of the day win zeross
vale pine
this is the transmitter sim i did yesterday to update the sheet
with tier set nerfs, etc
random hare
Most keys done at the end of the day win zeross
Because ppl have higher number keys?
vale pine
and this is how transmitter sims with the nerfs
random hare
But u kinda want to go in early get all pieces early too
vale pine
nerfs to tier and transmitter
young mural
wow
hexed dagger
is there time to use another cold blood in the second dance/sod between CDs?
cloud rover
this is the transmitter sim pre tier set nerf
Is dobby finally free?
vale pine
we went from "oh wow transmitter is rly close to bis"
back to "replace it on heroic probably"
cloud rover
Of Transmitter?
rugged condor
Pog
vale pine
so like
leaden prairie
Because ppl have higher number keys?
Wdym
vale pine
whatever we thought about transmitter last week
is the same as this week
only diffrence is, its not bis in m+ anymore
leaden prairie
Like we aren't pushing keys day one, just farming 10s I think
cloud rover
is the same as this week
leaden prairie
So the one with the highest number of keys done win @random hare
Instead of the highest key done
wild hornet
Only if i had mythic transmitter
hollow spear
Fuu, pls manipulate the sims so mastery performs even better. I need to be #1 on wowaudit for hoc. Thanks, appreciate it!
vale pine
<:MonkerS:1001918089358753813> im surprised but whatever the sim wants the sim g...
Crit is not a bad stat, but as mentioned it is extremely close
haha
mastery is already our by far best stat
!sheet
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steel zinc
Rogue is doomed from 2.6 to 2450
vale pine
see
rugged condor
So our bis set just has so much mast verse we kinda just overflow crit
vale pine
So we like crit mastery neck boe?
possible
its only one slot with crit
also again 0.2% diffrence
so extremely minor
can go all in on mastery/vers and don't think
rugged condor
Rogue is doomed from 2.6 to 2450
I mean, yes and no, its hard to say. Pure st sure we're not doing great but also dmg profile and fight timers matter. So it's not clear cut.
Also some fights have adds, nimble flurry is good on those. But also if the adds dont matter then cba
vale pine
Rogue is doomed from 2.6 to 2450
you will bring sub for the burst
not for the sustained st output
but i am wich you
rustic mortar
are u streaming fuu ?
steel zinc
you will bring sub for the burst
What burst. We got that gutted
rugged condor
We def didn't deserve a 3% nerf and sin def deserved more than a 4% buff
vale pine
are u streaming fuu ?
does this answer your question? (my pc setup)
steel zinc
Yes its still good but our 10% buff is now nearly down to like 2%
rustic mortar
so i guess not 😄
leaden prairie
does this answer your question? (my pc setup)
When will you buy a new PC fuu
With all the money from Raven hold
vale pine
i am on a laptop that barely manages to play wow as is, streaming the game is not possible ^^
rustic mortar
what about a petition for some money 😄
vale pine
When will you buy a new PC fuu
i probably need at some point, just can't justify if if my pc still works
leaden prairie
You very much can
rugged condor
also again 0.2% diffrence
The boe is only 0.2% off from the crafted neck?
leaden prairie
cloud rover
i probably need at some point, just can't justify if if my pc still works
No thinking
just buying
easy
Let future Fuu deal with it
vale pine
haha
I mean, i still probably wouldn't stream wow. I don't play competitive enough for anymone to watch that
"world 1000+ guild progressing whiping mythic silken court/queen and missing CE pov"
i don't push keys, zac, zero, etc are all way more interessting to watch for that content
so only niche i could do is simulations/TC or casual non wow games
which from what i know is very niche and does not have that many people interessted
random comet
give us a good spreadsheeting stream
vale pine
i did that once a long time ago
random comet
im sure you'd get some interest
vale pine
peak of maybe 10-30 viewers
its not that interessting to have basically a sim/apl copy/paste stream
think youtube is probably a better place for videos because you can heavy edit things
random comet
true
vale pine
and make things at least remotely entertaining / engaging
because else its just a "just chatting" which heavily relies on people actually asking questions
red star
sounds exhausting
vale pine
which does not work if 8/10 viewers you have are afk
neverless, i think we have some rly nice people doing streams and i expect a lot of streams today in #rogue-streamers
excited to see how people enjoy the new patch
night sparrow
Hey, if you find yourself without rupture during 1m30 Burst or only Dance/Symbols (cause no pandemic window right before), do you always wait for these bursts to finish to refresh rupture ? Also is it okay to refresh it if you land on exactly 5cp (to avoid wasting one filler) ? Thx ❤️
tepid trellis
early refresh before cds
vale pine
There is a Spreadsheet Worldchampionship on twitch sometiems
haha, i could do a coding stream
tepid trellis
if it isnt gonna last all of your cds, refresh it early
night sparrow
Alright thx ❤️
wild hornet
if it isnt gonna last all of your cds, refresh it early
So basically avoiding the need to rupture during sdance sof?
tepid trellis
yes
warm folio
do i need to track find weakness? im building my own WA for sub and have it set up to show when it's not on my active target, but it feels really obnoxious because im not sure what to do if i dont have it on my target besides keep doing my rotation and hope i activate it
tepid trellis
yeh u dont really
steel zinc
its not that interessting to have basically a sim/apl copy/paste stream
Pls do that I'll sub instantly
wild vine
@vale pine not sure if its an intended pun, but your transmitter post says rainboots instead of raidbots 
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> not sure if its an intended pun, but your transmitter post...
oh, i thought i fixed that... haha
rainboots
great typo/autocorrect
fixed, thanks
dusty pagoda
!fuu
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quaint lodge
Anybody know the rough numbers for damage loss for using bp over nimble flurry in 5 target count
like am i completely griefing when i forget that nimble flurry is a thing
haughty mural
Glorious imp telephone nerfs
no that much as one might think
keen dome
So we need more.
tepid trellis
Anybody know the rough numbers for damage loss for using bp over nimble flurry i...
neutral on 6 so not that bad
keen dome
Imp telephone?
Yeah I always imagined it's an imp on the other end
Originally I wanted to make a goofy WA of an Imp in a box on a telephone calling you and telling yout o do stuff but then I didn't get the trinket for months.
viscid urchin
How massive of a DPS loss is it to macro ST and CB together?
sour forum
I miss BP spam rogue
Deathstalker
mint swift
How massive of a DPS loss is it to macro ST and CB together?
5 gorrilian
tepid trellis
How massive of a DPS loss is it to macro ST and CB together?
a bit over 1%
sour forum
1%
viscid urchin
Is that beeg loss like in griefing myself?
hazy breach
Idk its 1%
viscid urchin
Weekly keys, mostly.
mint swift
Oh it doens't matter then
sour forum
Then no
tepid trellis
!wa
wicked joltBOT
keen dome
Yeah you can just be comfy
viscid urchin
Ok ty
mint swift
You could play fucking fatebound sub and be fine
viscid urchin
Idk I like nimble fury it's fun
keen dome
If someone can play fatebound sub I will give them a medal
mint swift
Nono you gotta double dip
In the slot machine
triple dip and play outlaw acc
God i'm so pissed wednesday is the day where i'm away for the entire time
keen dome
rip
sour forum
3 daaays off work bby
keen dome
I've arranged everything so I have nothing but WoW tomorrow. I'm sure the universe will figure out a way to make me sad.
mint swift
My study week was last week
I could always skive tommorow but like
I'd miss so much fucking work
It wouldn't be worth it
keen dome
Wake up. Open palm slam the WoW icon. Do the campaign. Corral some cats. Herd the cats through normal. Despair.
tepid trellis
wake up inhale coffee
mint swift
Cuase it's not like tmmrw is
2 hours of learning and 4 hours of breaks or smth
It's like
I get there, 2 hour lecture, 30 min break, 5 hours of classwork, leave
tepid trellis
spam keys
mint swift
Ah yea lemmie just conjure one up real quick
keen dome
I will either then pursue Heroic, or spam keys. Unsure yet. Depends how easy normal is.
mint swift
Bro how am i supposed to spam BP on assa or beast master
sour forum
Eeeew
tepid trellis
skill issue
sour forum
What are u soing here
tepid trellis
play the right things
sour forum
KEKW
mint swift
DR is unplayable so Bleak powder sucks too
So Black powder is the only one
cloud rover
I've arranged everything so I have nothing but WoW tomorrow. I'm sure the univer...
Me too, i scheduled Homeoffice for tomorrow
tepid trellis
ff 15
keen dome
Me too, i scheduled Homeoffice for tomorrow
🫡
sour forum
Thats dangerous
keen dome
Suepr curious how doable 7's will be for me tomorrow. I think quite, but I am an idiot.
mint swift
I could eat like
sour forum
Im not taking the risk of wfh
fringe mauve
fairly new to rogue spec but a question do i need to change target to spread my rupture ?
mint swift
20 KG of raw chicken
sour forum
What if i actually need to work
mint swift
And then get a reason to not go to uni
haughty mural
Yeah I always imagined it's an imp on the other end
akshually me thinks there are ethereals on the other end
tepid trellis
Me too, i scheduled Homeoffice for tomorrow
i just told my boss that im "unavailable" wednesday til friday
keen dome
akshually me thinks there are ethereals on the other end
they'd not do this to me
sour forum
Server blows up
cloud rover
i just told my boss that im "unavailable" wednesday til friday
Based
sour forum
keen dome
But you are probably correct abotu it being ethereals
cloud rover
Server blows up
Not my Problem
tepid trellis
(she knows what im doing)
hazy breach
fairly new to rogue spec but a question do i need to change target to spread my ...
Yesnt. It applies to your target and 1 other target
keen dome
I would be sad if the servers go down.
sour forum
20 KG of raw chicken
U can get salmonela easier than 20kg of raw chicken, 100g should do it
sour forum
Ure gonna throw it up anyway
mint swift
ok real talk
did anyone ever get the thought like
In school
To drink random chemicals in the lab to get days off
Asking for a friend
fringe mauve
Yesnt. It applies to your target and 1 other target
hmhm so i can just focus it up on one target