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oak rune
oak rune
thats not bad
keen dome
You need to time 5 +7s for a mythic craft afaik
I think it's 6? 10 gilded per, iirc.
hollow spear
Could be
I only saw the old list which started gilded at +8
And that had 12 for +8
Maybe they scaled +7 to 10, yeah
keen dome
I think that's what I recall when I worked it out. It's like 5 10's or 6 7's for a Mythic craft
lilac stag
They scaled everything up, but also made non vault keys more attractive to run
keen dome
Yeah
lilac stag
A 7 is a current 9
keen dome
7's seem like they'll be a sweet spot
keen dome
Yes, 90
raw wadi
@alpine wraith what do you think? When will be the maintenance window for EU?
fathom adder
what would you do in the folling situation during aoe in m+. You use your 2 dances on pull + blades and flag. Use 2 charges of dance in between your blades. Now i am there with like 30/40 seconds left on blades/flag and building back dance charges with just storm -> bp (or rupture if it lives that long), but my sectec gets off cd. Do you let it sit for the big burst or use only a symbol + sectec?
oak rune
thats weathered
hazy breach
Its 60 for the mythic craft
spark tusk
I mean you're supposed to be using it as soon as you can so it fits into transmitter
oak rune
k
spark tusk
So yeah
digital aspen
keen dome
But still 60 for the craft?
Yeah
alpine wraith
<@131174440183529472> what do you think? When will be the maintenance window for...
last time it was up at like 7 am but who knows
we could get the NA treatment
keen dome
We could, but hopefully not
I want to roll outta bed, do dailies, slam the raid, have a despair session, win prizes.
steel zinc
unless you need the player power I wouldnt craft first week
I would just wait for my vault
I would pretend in the first week there is nothing and just send it then after your first raid 2nd week
hollow spear
Yeah, that's a very individualised topic
If your guild doesn't even go for mythic first week
Might as well craft the dagger imo, but even that is very subjective
tribal blade
if you're on a raid team i would ask your RL what the best thing to do is
(i'm taking for granted you have a RL with a brain)
swift crest
I would just wait for my vault
can you piut a emebel on a non crafted weapon
or is focus lens confirmed bis
oak rune
Crafting the hc dagger makes the most sense
Can always use as oh and u get a quick boost for m+ and raid
I think
swift crest
oak rune
I mean most of us can just recraft our old dagger
hazy breach
Its embellishments, they cant possibly be important
swift crest
they didnt get buffed?
hazy breach
No
swift crest
noticed my focus lens was doing nothjin
hazy breach
Theyre worth like 10 ilvl on bracers
oak rune
Do you guys just send cooldowns?
swift crest
for world content
oak rune
On quest mobs
swift crest
i did all of new zone shit in outlaw and it made it not so bad
patent crystal
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hazy breach
Do you guys just send cooldowns?
yes
swift crest
subs gunna feel aids everywhere but raid prog i think (rogue noob)
tribal blade
well it's a good thing world content isn't that important 😉
if you really wanna have a better sub experience in open world can swap to DS
wild hornet
i did all of new zone shit in outlaw and it made it not so bad
i mean
i always just use one sod
and its enough to kill the mobs
wild hornet
to be completely fair i never tried outlaw for random outdoor content
wild hornet
yeah doesnt sound like a bad idea
as a little refreshener
after my friend was torturing me with teaching me assa rotation
oak rune
Sin is good in world- outlaw u have to change weeps
swift crest
well it's a good thing world content isn't that important 😉
will be for abit
delves and such
wild hornet
i still have some 1h heroics for outlaw
swift crest
a good month then its m+ and raid loggin
wild hornet
from s1
tribal blade
will be for abit
oh delves are instanced content
and stuff doesn't die instantly in delves
solemn lance
Do we thi k they will nerf transmitter again soon. Then what do we do?
swift crest
switch to sub for bosses def
swift crest
but i think outlaw will gap sub in delves up until final boss
solemn lance
Maybe we gets a little buffy to compensate
solemn lance
https://tenor.com/view/delete-gif-20182596
Lol
oak rune
Sub feels great in delves
swift crest
how
solemn lance
I liked it now that the dwarf can be a tank
swift crest
hook is so fast
swift crest
why delete when u can hook and vanish and stealth around
tribal blade
maybe this is a gear thing, i just literally walk through delves and delete everything
swift crest
iv done 2 of the new zone delves at level 11 in outlaw and it seemed fine
but theyre getting buffed next week so idk
tribal blade
0 issues
oak rune
With sub u can hit 5m aoe just round up and delete 4 packs at any lvl
Then get a sandwich come back
oak rune
More experience I have no idea what to do once I’m outside of opener rotation
swift crest
this is cool
oak rune
Just stand there
swift crest
kinda
swift crest
endless apm with outlaw, shit dps but fun for delve awefulness
and the world questing we prob have to do
oak rune
Dps isnt the issue with outlaw - its ks uptime and mob cap
hollow spear
I just use the assassination bleed build for open world stuff
swift crest
what is ks
oak rune
Killing spree
wild hornet
what is ks
kil lspree
humble flower
yo king can u dm me this wa also
somber ether
Is there a world in which we don't craft a dagger day 1?
wild hornet
no
oak rune
Do you use your gigacrests to max that?
alpine wraith
you could farm m+ like a madman or maybe get a mythic one
wild hornet
just 1?
somber ether
I mean you can make 2 but you need 2 sparks
alpine wraith
but then you would need to use crests to upgrade the hc one
instead of using those crests for other items
alpine wraith
idk 100 or 200
somber ether
It's not that many
wild hornet
I mean you can make 2 but you need 2 sparks
i meant if theres different dagger options
or ifts just 1 "everforged dagger" type thing
this season
alpine wraith
but keep in mind
even if you drop the dagger you need to use crests on it
instead of other gear
somber ether
You need to do like 6x+7
alpine wraith
so same thing
somber ether
Yeah that's my plan
swift crest
wait abit and see whaty u get
somber ether
Craft a dagger when I get the crest
hazy breach
i meant if theres different dagger options
There are 3 daggers: One baseline with agility that you can put embellishments on, one baseline with intellect (which is obviously horrid for rogues) and one thats a special embellished item that sucks real bad
somber ether
Don't want to waste m+ time running campaign
oak rune
I think craft the hc dagger don’t upgrade it, craft myth dagger and upgrade it
somber ether
Cant upgrade crafted items
swift crest
finishing the campaign gives hc crest?
somber ether
finishing the campaign gives hc crest?
Yessir
oak rune
Jk just craft hc then myth
keen dome
Crafted items are set ilevels.
swift crest
do that morning of the 2nd day maybe
somber ether
But that's 658 if I'm not mistaken
oak rune
Yea I’m forget
hazy breach
finishing the campaign gives hc crest?
It has in the past yes, but were not entirely sure if we'll be able to finish all of the campaign next week
keen dome
It was weird with Ansurek, after all
oak rune
Hopefully it’s kill gallywiz in scenario
keen dome
Yes, that's typically where the free crest comes form. It is meant to have a solo mode but it's up in the air if that'll be live on reset, or if the kill raid boss will be even active. Ansurek took a week to show up.
wild hornet
ah yes
oak rune
oak rune
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125610007694688300/1345498646770356334...
Someone linked the and it’s in wow head font so it must be true
swift crest
i aint wakin up and loiggin in for some campaign
swift crest
depends when my tank gets on ig
so craft dagger and what else
or wait and see
daggger and x
vale pine
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
vale pine
you always want to use a dagger
swift crest
i need to read the wowhead guide
vale pine
*2 daggers
swift crest
craft 2 daggers first?
keen dome
OH doesn't do much for damage. It's more of a statstick. so not really that important.
hazy breach
no
keen dome
You also can't craft another item for two weeks after the first spark anyway
steel zinc
craft 2 daggers first?
no you craft one at rank 4 then craft r5 and can upgrade the offhand with 0 crests
keen dome
So better to just wait and see.
swift crest
oh yes
gotta remeber how easy it is now compared to early s1
with crests and stuff
keen dome
It's more or less the same.
random pine
no transmitter how cooked am i 💀
keen dome
Live in a happy world of not having to experince the dumb minigame and get better trinkets happily in S2.
The blessed existence.
swift crest
i thought sub feels easiest cause u have downtime waiting for cds
different for other melee who always have to be hard pressing boss
oak rune
Now u have to come crawling back
swift crest
we can spend a few seconds finding a ball amonst the chaos
random pine
Live in a happy world of not having to experince the dumb minigame and get bette...
better trinkets in question
oak rune
Some people like high apm. It’s like playing ranged u fall asleep
fallen crescent
keen dome
better trinkets in question
Kezan got nerfed iirc, and if you don't have transmitter you've probably got a lot of options
fallen crescent
there is no other 1.5 min
sand ore
Kezan got nerfed iirc, and if you don't have transmitter you've probably got a l...
i WILL be getting the goon squad
fallen crescent
apart from hoc
keen dome
i WILL be getting the goon squad
Blessed.
steel zinc
eye isnt bis anymore
random pine
real?
sand ore
But yeah, I'll never get a myth house of cards so I'll kind of have to evaluate trinkets as i go
as someone without a transmitter
steel zinc
goon squad is bis
sand ore
they called me the goon squad in high school
sand ore
knife?
keen dome
goon squad is bis
Best news all day
swift crest
was my daily driver all s1 in m+ cos the db trinket never myth track dropped from vaullt
sand ore
i'm running myth sac + hero anub'ikkaj rn
swift crest
this has seen some shit
oak rune
How is skarydn not good is my question
sand ore
2min
oak rune
Hate
random pine
xd
keen dome
That's basically it,r eally
swift crest
dont line up
hollow spear
It becomes a 3min trinket basically
swift crest
cti capping
sand ore
for what
swift crest
for 2 min boss fights
sand ore
ah
swift crest
and m+
wild hornet
We can only play for a myth track ritual knife
sand ore
We can only play for a myth track ritual knife
lol
oak rune
Has wow said anything about upgrading old items ?
hazy breach
You cant
sand ore
Has wow said anything about upgrading old items ?
you can't and it's intended
oak rune
dude I saw that ritual knife 10000 times in vault no problem
swift crest
youl be dong 8 delves a week until it drops
sand ore
you can't get myth items from delves no?
swift crest
i got it early thank god
keen dome
you can't get myth items from delves no?
Nope
hazy breach
Best news all day
Realistically theres like 8 trinkets that are all "bis"
keen dome
Realistically theres like 8 trinkets that are all "bis"
BEST NEWS. ALL DAY
sand ore
and then house of cards
swift crest
it was 2nd bis to mytch track db crytal
hazy breach
Most trinkets sim pretty much the same
keen dome
Hell yeah
hazy breach
So nothing really matters
keen dome
That rules.
sand ore
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sand ore
the real BiS is the friends we made along the way
keen dome
Don't forget the change to Maps in S2 means you can, realistically, only have one chance at a hero knife drop in a Delve a week. And then it's vault praying.
swift crest
what change to maps
swift crest
oh ffs
keen dome
One a week.
oak rune
Ah
keen dome
They could drop in a non-bountiful too. Just rare.
oak rune
But it’s still only hero track
keen dome
But I assume this means they are more likely to drop for people, but also one a week maximum.
hollow spear
the knife is quite competitive, even on heroic track
keen dome
Some people didn't get any. Some got +10
oak rune
Are there any great m+ trinkets for sub?
sand ore
Are there any great m+ trinkets for sub?
bomb from floodgate is good
hollow spear
Am I blind or is it really not an option to add a glow to your element in conditions? I only find the option to glow an external element.
keen dome
It's a very good static trinket, yep.
hollow spear
cloaking the debuff is kinda int imo
keen dome
cloaking the debuff is kinda int imo
ye. It's pretty w/e.
esp as it can roll haste. who cares.
swift crest
altho with assa and if the trinket debuffed ur vers and ur vers was 2k
u had negative verse and couild easily die
might not bbe as bad with sub
hollow spear
I like to think that there's better uses for my defensive than getting rid of the knive debuff for < 30% of its duration
keen dome
Yeah I don't think it remotely matters.
keen dome
At higher key levels you'd want the defensive and at lower it's not going to matter imo.
swift crest
big dam is fun
whole abyss
@alpine wraith thank you for your updated shorter video guide! Looking forward to your longer video release soon!
stone robin
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.hello quick question.
when i use vanish in my opener, it is not ready when flag comes up again, should i wait for vanish or still flag without vanish?
hazy breach
Skip the vanish and the eviscerate
alpine wraith
<@131174440183529472> thank you for your updated shorter video guide! Looking fo...
np tbh not much changes from last season si
the longer one is for also gearing etc from 0 so likely you can skip it if you already know the spec
fresh oyster
sry to butt in but quick QoL question, is anyone macroing symbols into their shadow blades, or symbols into their dance or are yall just playin the piano frfr?
solid yacht
It’s a dps loss to macro them together
glass jasper
I macro trinket to blades, other than that it's full piano mode
fresh oyster
It’s a dps loss to macro them together
even though rotationally were always putting symbols with dance?
alpine wraith
we are not
solid yacht
But need a dry sec tec to do before the cb sec tec
alpine wraith
second dance in cds does not use symbols together
fresh oyster
second dance in cds does not use symbols together
that... actually explains a lot
glass jasper
About how much is theoretical max mastery from flag assumin perfect execution??
hazy breach
It caps at 30 stacks, which is really easy and fast to get
glass jasper
Thanks! Never paid attention to how it works tbh
I'm a simple man, i press buttons
If I assume mastery from flag ignores DR, am I correct in my assumption?
hollow spear
still don't get how DR would apply differently?
a stat gets relatively worse the more you get of it
jaunty heath
Theres mastery per point
hollow spear
there's nothing like a "hard cap" if you're not talking about something like haste for outlaw
jaunty heath
At some amount of points it gives less stat per point
hollow spear
so something like logistic growth?
hazy breach
It doesnt really matter, but +2000 crit from gear can get DR:ed
+10% crit from a buff wont
Sim already takes it into account
hollow spear
Interesting
I'd personally call that a soft cap, if they actually stop (gear) stats from scaling linearly when hitting a certain threshold
diminishing returns should just happen naturally due to stats competing with each other
but I guess that's nitpicking (or wrong 😅)
past marlin
guys, assa will be better than sub in m+?
hollow vortex
doubt
alpine wraith
no idea
swift tinsel
diminishing returns should just happen naturally due to stats competing with eac...
DR's help stats not become insane at higher/end gear levels
imagine if vers didn't DR and you could have like 20-25% damage reduction and 40-50% damage
at the end of an xpac
covert storm
nocturne scroll
Were we swaping a gem in the circle ring with the change or we keeping everything the same
cerulean stream
on our opener we slam CB/sectec or hold cb for the 2nd sectec? i read it's a minor gain but just wondering if that's after our opener or our other rounds of big cds like flag, etc.
swift tinsel
holding for 2nd is a gain in any flag/blades window, not just opener or afterwards
cerulean stream
ok thanks
rain stratus
Were we swaping a gem in the circle ring with the change or we keeping everythin...
Look at pins, 1st message
nocturne scroll
Look at pins, 1st message
My bad didnt pres the pin msg on mobile thx
rain stratus
NP 🙂 TLDR: we swap Legendary to Windsinger
full acorn
Right now i got 16k-16k Mas-Vers should i use windsinger to get more mas or vers or is this best
tidal marsh
upbeat oracle
is there a way to fix shadow dance being pressed somehow after vanish instead of shadowstrike? i have them on the same bind, shadowstrike is there when stealth is active, but for w/e reason sometimes dance is activating when i press it after vanish in opener
swift tinsel
Right now i got 16k-16k Mas-Vers should i use windsinger to get more mas or vers...
you can always sim and find out if its worth to switch for you
swift tinsel
sims will tell you what's best for your gear
you don't look for "X mastery and Y vers and Z crit" etc etc
stat caps are a thing of the past for most specs
twilit phoenix
Would sim c pick up on windsinger changing to vers or mast if I move some stats around?
swift tinsel
it should
twilit phoenix
Aight ty king
spice matrix
!cyrce
twilit phoenix
damn I'm like 4k vers ahead of mast
verbal turret
!wa
wicked joltBOT
twilit phoenix
basically locked in
vale pine
damn I'm like 4k vers ahead of mast
not bad
hollow spear
I am also like 3.5k ahead with mastery
but my sims like mastery better still
the longer a fight takes and the more cleave you get, the better it likes mastery
at least based on my current gear
placid tendon
does the rotten increase unseen blade damage?
placid tendon
tooltip says "backstab and shadowstrike now also strike with an unseen blade", so it sounds like its part of the builder
lucid jackal
It is, buit its a separate hit, that isn't a builder
hoary lotus
lucid jackal
Nothing I hate more than rogue having multiple fun specs to play
placid tendon
too bad if it doesnt work. was thinking that you could delay symbols until after first shadowstrike, and then get the rotten on the two "free" unseen blades after secret tech
old venture
Nothing I hate more than rogue having multiple fun specs to play
same
swift tinsel
too bad if it doesnt work. was thinking that you could delay symbols until after...
the only thing with that would be you'd strike to proc unseen blade, so even if it did affect it you'd only get it on one
but strike does a ton of damage so boosting that with Rotten is very nice
bleak night
old venture
placid tendon
the only thing with that would be you'd strike to proc unseen blade, so even if ...
i think if you symbols at the same time as shadow blades, it would unseen blade on the next two shadow strikes, where you have the rotten.
placid tendon
why did it start showing node and entry id again smh
fathom adder
what makes the shaman buff so important for sub? do the extra hits procc shadow techs and give us energy or whats the reason?
swift tinsel
it's a unique damage hit so it would consume both stacks per strike+UB
lucid jackal
more shadow technique procs
distant plinth
hey chaps, during the opener after the rupture, do you guys use a macro to cast all cds at once? or do you go piano mode as well there?
swift tinsel
Piano gang
swift tinsel
convenient binding to access multiple presses comfortably > needing a bunch of situational macros
I do the same keyboard/mouse button splitting
distant plinth
I see, guess I need a bit more finger practice
simple garnet
Tifa needs fingering practice haha
glass jasper
what makes the shaman buff so important for sub? do the extra hits procc shadow ...
What shaman buff?
swift tinsel
skyfury
grants us extra auto swings which can proc shadow techniques
plus the mastery is a bonus
but mostly the AA thing
tldr never play sub without one
fathom adder
thank you
did the recommended m+ build change a little from first dance to weaponmaster on wowhead? when i did copy it it had first dance
alpine wraith
first dance is better
lyric thorn
i think i saw a sim with all the difference of the trinkets in here at some point, mby im tripping but if someone has a link for that would be greatly appreciated
calm linden
!guides
hazy breach
Fwiw on 8 target cleave the fight needs to be 12 minutes long to for weaponmaster to catch up to TFD (as in a single use of tfd)
Weaponmaster does nothing on aoe
bleak night
good to know
uneven scarab
Fwiw on 8 target cleave the fight needs to be 12 minutes long to for weaponmaste...
12 minutes LOL
wow
bleak night
so not really any dungeon where you would realistically swap lmao
uneven scarab
Yeah wm some POOP
swift tinsel
not unless it flurried and did 500% damage
sterile nacelle
hey guys, I have kind of a unusual question
when playing with the hero talent "so tricky" so Tricks lasts 1 hour, is there any way to not show the visual indicator for tricks over my character? I mean this red thingy and the ever so often showing of the tricks icon
lucid jackal
By default
sterile nacelle
god damn
fathom gazelle
hi so im using whysper's WA is there an important buffs i need to track?
vale pine
you might want to track unseen blade stacks to know when to use evis in aoe for coup
you might want to track flawless form stacks, its not that important because you will have it up the majority of time tho
thin lion
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tranquil garden
!wa
wicked joltBOT
tranquil garden
weakauras companion is immensely frustrating, feels like there's always a user visible bug
fathom gazelle
you might want to track flawless form stacks, its not that important because you...
for the unseenblade its called escalating blade right?
swift crest
WA companian is data mining
tranquil garden
WA companian is data mining
can you elaborate? is it just collecting download stats, or something a little more sinister?
fathom gazelle
for the unseen blade talent and in the last raw it says occurs once every 20s , does it apply for the fazed target row? or for the coupa de grace stacks?
vale pine
for the unseenblade its called escalating blade right?
yes, the spell id if you need it
final cedar
Is there a reason not to macro shadow dance and symbols together?
wicked joltBOT
Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.basically you don't always use them together
final cedar
But why not since there doesn’t seem to be a time when you’d cast dance without symbols?
swift tinsel
or if you used a macro, doing so would screw up having 2x sod/dance in flag
there are cases where you dont
almost all macros for sub would create more issues than they'd solve
take your second dance in flag
dance it up, sectech has >10sec left on its cooldown
but casting dance+sod would mean you supercharge 2x evisc instead of evisc+sectech
which you don't want
final cedar
So are you dancing on cd during cd window?
swift tinsel
yes, during flag you dance again as soon as the first ends
and then symbols when sectech cd is =<10
so that you supercharge it
swift tinsel
idk if there are any full 25second pictures of abilities outside of looking at logs
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
final cedar
Lmao
final cedar
idk if there are any full 25second pictures of abilities outside of looking at l...
Good call
Thank you
tranquil garden
WA companian is data mining
hey can you follow up on this? I don't want to use it if it's doing something shitty, so if you could explain what it's doing I'd really appreciate that
void ocean
why am I doing more st dmg in m+ build than in raid st 😄
swift tinsel
are you using TFD and fighting for less than four minutes?
void ocean
are you using TFD and fighting for less than four minutes?
yes and maybe... will try more
tfd is awesome
swift tinsel
it tends to outperform wm in shorter fights
swift crest
hey can you follow up on this? I don't want to use it if it's doing something sh...
i wont go into detail because people have vested interests but ill just say i like a clean pc
keen dome
Pretty sure it's fine to use and I wouldn't worry. You could try searching online to see if anybody actually does go into details but I imagine it would've been pretty known by now if it was actually mining data or w/e.
tranquil garden
is it worth tracking flawless form stacks or does it not change decision making at all?
My WAs don't, but it's easy enough to add if it's worth it, and it's noise if it's not
keen dome
I track it just to see if it's up or not.
rain swallow
how good do you guys think sub rogue will be in s2 m+?
twilit phoenix
🔮
rain stratus
how good do you guys think sub rogue will be in s2 m+?
Yes
fair anchor
I concur
tranquil garden
it will be terrible. worst class in the history of the game. panic and flee now.
keen dome
how good do you guys think sub rogue will be in s2 m+?
Extremely purple. Probably the most purple spec.
rain swallow
dense coyote
so.... am i looking at this all wrong or.... does not getting 6 globals after you blow your cds before your next shadow step just.... throw the whole opener off ?
near obsidian
rogue is dead just unsub man
keen dome
spriest exists
Not. For. Long.
rain stratus
so.... am i looking at this all wrong or.... does not getting 6 globals after yo...
You should probably look up the opener in general
fathom gazelle
yes, the spell id if you need it
tysm
tranquil garden
I've been consuming auras for a while and I have to say Le is a really great designer. layout is perfect for what I need to know and the disappearing icons when things aren't relevant anymore are chef's kiss
hope he or she reads this eventually to know they're appreciated
rain stratus
Tag her in your first msg
wicked joltBOT
keen dome
I've been consuming auras for a while and I have to say Le is a really great des...
Agreed, Lisonna's WA is absolutely stellar.
tranquil garden
designing ux really requires an artistic touch and they have it
wild hornet
designing ux really requires an artistic touch and they have it
only if blizzard could do the same
earnest crane
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.ill read it again but ..... ive noticed if you get any less than like 4 finishers off during the beginning of that burst window then you wont get enough cd reduction on secteq to be able to have it available .... and if you only get 5 globals off then it always messes you up so you cant supercharge your next two finishers properly....
tranquil garden
hey now vanilla ux has come a long way
wild hornet
__Subtlety Macros:__
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Co...
so is house of cards mostly used with sblades or can it also be used with flag?
tranquil garden
they operate with some more constraints too because they have to actually worry about performance
tranquil garden
so is house of cards mostly used with sblades or can it also be used with flag?
use it with sblades! you don't want to waste time on it
uneven scarab
ill read it again but ..... ive noticed if you get any less than like 4 finisher...
Gcds in that window are very important
rain stratus
ill read it again but ..... ive noticed if you get any less than like 4 finisher...
If you do it right, you will get your 2nd SecTech off with 3-4 seconds left on Shadowblades in your 2nd dance
dense coyote
Gcds in that window are very important
right thats what i was tryign to ask/point out.... i feel liek if you DONT get 6 globals off before the second dance you mess everything up
honest saddle
I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the opener in general
fathom gazelle
if shadowblades + flag has like 42s before its off cd , and i got x1 charge of sd , do i send it? or keep
uneven scarab
right thats what i was tryign to ask/point out.... i feel liek if you DONT get ...
You should be able to get every global no problem
fathom gazelle
aha kk ty
honest saddle
you might get lucky and make it sometimes, but other times you wont make it
uneven scarab
But yes its very important to play the blades/flag window properly
Otherwise its all cursed
dense coyote
You should be able to get every global no problem
I always end up missing the last global and i notiticed its dictated by how fast i press the first set of damage cd's and how fast i go into my builders and spenders after i punch all the initial damage cd buttons.... as in ill always feel like ill literally have JUST enough time to get that 6th gcd off
calm linden
i was reading the method guide and it's telling me to stop sending dances and symbols when flagellation reaches below 30 seconds (so that i have 2 charges for cd's rdy). what am i doing when sectec gets rdy during this downtime? hold it for the whole time?
tranquil garden
yes hold it
rain stratus
I always end up missing the last global and i notiticed its dictated by how fas...
Looking the the breakdown you sent, your sequence of spells is all over the place
tranquil garden
it's more valuable to hold it so you get it during your burst window, than to get the extra cast and possibly miss it
uneven scarab
I always end up missing the last global and i notiticed its dictated by how fas...
Its really important to pay attention to sht refunds in the window as well, as thats were alot of the fast paced cdr comes from
rain stratus
i was reading the method guide and it's telling me to stop sending dances and sy...
You can send a naked SecTech with 30sec left on flag, anything under 25sec gets hard to make tho
dense coyote
Looking the the breakdown you sent, your sequence of spells is all over the plac...
I think I explained it relatively well actually to mention my concern
dense coyote
Its really important to pay attention to sht refunds in the window as well, as t...
yes but i suppose what im asking is , is it normal to feel like you have just enoughf time to get 6 globals in before the first shadow dance you do runs out ? or shoudl that not be happenning ?
rain stratus
I think I explained it relatively well actually to mention my concern
Let me reiterate for you. If you do NOT do your entire CD windows with Sblades up the entire time right, you WONT get enough finishers in. Hence you should take a look at your opener
fathom adder
how would you play in this situation, aoe pull in m+. I open with the normal 2sd 2 symbol + sb/flag opener. inbetween the Sb/flag i aim to use 2 sd + symbol. ~ 30 seconds before blades come back i am just using storm + bp getting that sd cd down, but sectec is off cd. Do you just hold it with like 20 seconds on your cds or do you do only symbol + sectec and the big cds as they come?
tranquil garden
press and hold casting is hella unreliable. I have some trouble getting the cadence right with gcd; is there a WA for GCD timing flashes? I wish press and hold was more reliable...
I can't really spam click for a11y reasons
swift tinsel
how would you play in this situation, aoe pull in m+. I open with the normal 2sd...
better to hold sectech to ensure you can do your burst window correctly
but if flag is 30 seconds out you should be safe in aoe
rain stratus
how would you play in this situation, aoe pull in m+. I open with the normal 2sd...
With 30sec you are fine even in ST scenarios
pliant hill
hi guys i was wondering which spec loses more when there is uptime loss assa or sub?
swift tinsel
can always send a naked sectech
honest saddle
I can't really spam click for a11y reasons
hmmm, there are gcd weak auras out there. But you also might want to fiddle with the spell que window to see if there is something there that might be more comfortable for you
fathom gazelle
is macroing symbol to sec wrong? since u always allign them for the supercharge?
tranquil garden
thanks! didn't even realize you could mess with that window~!
swift tinsel
but as long as you have 1x sod ready when flag is 30 seconds on cd you're fine bc its cd is 25
tranquil garden
is macroing symbol to sec wrong? since u always allign them for the supercharge?
you just want to ensure sectech is supercharged, you'll likely lose damage if you do that because you do wanna press sectech independently to get that sweet damage buff
rain stratus
is macroing symbol to sec wrong? since u always allign them for the supercharge?
Yep, dont macro Symbol to anything
dense coyote
Let me reiterate for you. If you do NOT do your entire CD windows with Sblades u...
ive already analyzed exactly how many globals i need to do it correctly thats what im trying to say im literally like a step ahead of you in your response..... my question is me asking if its normal to barely have enough time to get those finishers sent out to ge the cd reduction you need before the second shadow dance..... i dont know how much more easily i can explain it
rain stratus
I give up
near obsidian
so like why is macroing cold blood to sec wrong now
swift tinsel
!cb
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
tranquil garden
it's not, so long as you can do it unmacroed
near obsidian
o
honest saddle
ive already analyzed exactly how many globals i need to do it correctly thats wh...
what do you mean before the second shadow dance?
you dont have tech up before the second dance
near obsidian
i wish there was a list of bot commands somewhere xd
dense coyote
what do you mean before the second shadow dance?
let me screen shot one sec
tranquil garden
something like
/cast [mod:ctrl] Cold Blood; Secret Technique
/cast Secret Technique```
would be finethe issue with tech and symbols being macrod together
is that in non cd windows
you want to sec tech second
and evisc first for macabre stacks
small optimization, but its there
tranquil garden
sub rogue outside of cds is so not-busy that I can finally drop my weakaura that blares a foghorn at me when my cooldown's about to come up. my gameplay is now significantly less nautical.
honest saddle
sub rogue outside of cds is so not-busy that I can finally drop my weakaura that...
I would blow your mind if you watched me play
I have a wa that cash registers every time I am at 6+ combo points
glossy turtle
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tranquil garden
hmmm, there are gcd weak auras out there. But you also might want to fiddle with...
hmm, I can't find this window in the game options -- is there somewhere else I should be looking or am I just blind
dense coyote
what do you mean before the second shadow dance?
ok so here is the example .... do you see how there is 6 globals between my first secteq and the second shadow dance ?.... ive always noticed for me to be able to do the opener correctly and for it to work fluently to get the amount of cd reduction i need for the next secteq to line up perfectly with everythign i need to get 6 globals off after that first secteq and before the second dance... but somtimes or orften time i BARELY have enough time befoer the first shadow dance runs out... is that normal ? in this example i missed it by 1 gcd...
clever delta
who were saying that there not good leather feet
this look pretty ok to me
and stats so bad for others than they wont be that expensive
honest saddle
hmm, I can't find this window in the game options -- is there somewhere else I s...
macro spell que console command
you have to type it in
tranquil garden
oh, console command! thank you
jaunty heath
and stats so bad for others than they wont be that expensive
Man I love seasons with good boes
+1 slot I don’t have to wait in vault for
swift tinsel
yeah we don't get a vers/mastery neck so you can either go with flickering glowtorc or craft one if you really want
honest saddle
@dense coyote you have to be doing something wrong later on in the sequence
because that doesnt matter
open vortex
ok so here is the example .... do you see how there is 6 globals between my firs...
Are you doing this on dummies without skyfury
swift tinsel
we have so much mastery with s2 gear that getting heavy vers and some crit is pretty solid
honest saddle
it doesnt matter if he has skyfury or not or lust, you still have time to symbols and get tech out in the flag blades window
dense coyote
Are you doing this on dummies without skyfury
skyfury ?
keen dome
yeah we don't get a vers/mastery neck so you can either go with flickering glowt...
I'm just gonna craft mine, I think. -3 ilevels so it's pretty whatever.
swift tinsel
Probably same, unless it shows up in my vault as the best option randomly
cba farming DFC
naive zodiac
skyfury can change how your cdr lines up quite a bit
dense coyote
<@333061342976278560> you have to be doing something wrong later on in the seque...
and possibly
honest saddle
not having skyfury wouldnt change whether or not you can get your second tech in the flag blades window
yeah
swift tinsel
yeah unless you totally scuff your opener skyfury is going to make or break it
honest saddle
how are you feeling exile? excited for race?
swift tinsel
first spark is dagger tho, then probably cloak or boots for me unless something surprising shows up in sims
keen dome
High5, same.
swift tinsel
or I snag boe boots and recraft lens to wrists
but that's a gold and robot question lol
I also need to stop playing totemic enh bc I'm having too much fun with it lol
bleak night
lmao
swift tinsel
its still like 25ilvls behind my rogue but blasts so hard
and you get the instant gratification whenever sunderings go out and you feel like youre trucking stuff
naive zodiac
how are you feeling exile? excited for race?
i get excited once splits end 
but ya bosses look neat
well c
bleak night
and you get the instant gratification whenever sunderings go out and you feel li...
thats me whenever i play ret tbh
swift tinsel
but splits are the true endgame content
bleak night
pop wings, summon a giant hammer from the sky, feel like you're doing massive damage
swift tinsel
how many rogues you got prepped?
bleak night
even if you might not be
rain stratus
19
naive zodiac
10 i think
wet atlas
Noob question from returning player here: when do i use shurriken storm with trickster? do i really only use it in dance as second builder once?
swift tinsel
Noob question from returning player here: when do i use shurriken storm with tri...
once in dance at 7+ targets
keen dome
That's a lotta rogue. May you have good loot rng and many houses of cards.
swift tinsel
with 2nd charge of Rotten
wet atlas
oh only at 7 targets +?
naive zodiac
That's a lotta rogue. May you have good loot rng and many houses of cards.
transmitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
JUMP 3X
keen dome
Hahaha
wet atlas
so outside of dance i wont use it?
swift tinsel
outside dance you use it instead of backstab
keen dome
I am going to be so happy to get rid of that stupid trinket
swift tinsel
bc its better cp gen
shy ermine
Rogues aren’t seeing house of cards unless transmitter gets nuked
bleak night
me when i never got transmitter to begin with
swift tinsel
I'm not bound by loot council, owned
swift tinsel
does sus drink come from a wq? or did you get it from a chest
keen dome
Rogues aren’t seeing house of cards unless transmitter gets nuked
I am 100% using house of cards because fuck transmitter. Thankfully I live in the wonderful realm of Heroic AotC chasing and not Mythic. I am blessed.
bleak night
does sus drink come from a wq? or did you get it from a chest
i got it warbound from a rare iirc
swift tinsel
I'm replacing a 626 transmitter so I can ditch it early
keen dome
I also never got a heroic one so lmao
swift tinsel
lmfao true freedom
keen dome
Maybe we revisit this in five months and I'm still using the normal transmitter 'cos hoC never dropped for me.
bleak night
!remindme
swift tinsel
I just know I'm the only res on Zee's so its mine if it drops in heroic ever
GOON SQUAD RISE UP
bleak night
im trialing for this guild so uh
swift tinsel
plus I get 100% of daggers
honest saddle
10 i think
slacker.
bleak night
im looking at m+ trinkets lmao
swift tinsel
every kyveza kill we've ever had has dropped at least 1 Regicide so I think I had 5 in my bags at one time
keen dome
every kyveza kill we've ever had has dropped at least 1 Regicide so I think I ha...
Yeah, haha
I always invited a low iLevel rogue to my heroic pugs so daggers didn't get wasted
Same as a hunter
bleak night
shy ermine
My guild are transmog heavy so I think I only took 1 regicide
swift tinsel
Pretty sure I'm still the only 80 rogue in the guild that isn't an alt someone leveled and never played. 3 80 rogues total lol
we went from zero hunters last tier to 3 this tier I think
but we have I think three or four paladins, four warriors
two windwalkers and a mistweaver
no dh I'm pretty sure because both of ours quit
all four specs of druid too
might ask for Innervates just so they don't go to waste
tranquil garden
!wa
wicked joltBOT
steel zinc
who were saying that there not good leather feet
also headpiece for catalyst
mild skiff
!wa
wicked joltBOT
serene owl
Is black powder more damage +7 mobs then eviscerate is even though it’s capped? Thought still would do more damage or I’m bugging
fluid hornet
Hello guys, just quick question.. Why is every rogue now playing maghar orcs? is something broken about that or what?
swift tinsel
Hello guys, just quick question.. Why is every rogue now playing maghar orcs? is...
you basically get a free 2min trinket that gives mastery or vers
so we can use it for every other blades window
grizzled bobcat
Heya, i just came back to play rogue, we just use SoD and Dance when Sec Tech is ready right?
swift tinsel
outside of flag/blades, yes
fluid hornet
you basically get a free 2min trinket that gives mastery or vers
aah makes sense.. so its great for almost every spec of rog i guess
flint spire
!wa
wicked joltBOT
swift tinsel
especially so for sub because we condense so much of our damage into those burst windows
steel zinc
Hello guys, just quick question.. Why is every rogue now playing maghar orcs? is...
it doesnt matter what race you play
like really
its within 1% or less
swift tinsel
Is black powder more damage +7 mobs then eviscerate is even though it’s capped? ...
black powder is soft capped vs nimble flurry which is hard capped
fluid hornet
it doesnt matter what race you play
yes, you are right, not gonna argue.. i was just curious why almost every player i know switched 😄
steel zinc
yes, you are right, not gonna argue.. i was just curious why almost every player...
also current deal in the shop
people like to rance change and look whats "best"
jaunty heath
yeah we don't get a vers/mastery neck so you can either go with flickering glowt...
holy fuck neck decent too???
steel zinc
I for one could never play Tauren Rogue that is a total meme for me
Lets go stealth as a cow
jaunty heath
Vibing vibing vibing
steel zinc
holy fuck neck decent too???
ist crit mastery
fluid hornet
i mean im playing classic orc and really not gonna switch to brown orc XD
jaunty heath
That’s okay
swift tinsel
crit vers
jaunty heath
Allows to flex sin too
swift tinsel
from bis list, unless you're talking about boe
jaunty heath
Talking about boe
swift tinsel
ah I never look at those normally lol
I figure crafting one at slightly lower ilvl is a lot cheaper
paper iron
Guys, do we use coldblood only during big cds? 
vale pine
Guys, do we use coldblood only during big cds? <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
you can if you have very good timing use it between too, but its extremely tight and its better to just use it during big cd's
paper iron
yea that i got, but just watching quick sims it does use it only during big cds
yea i can see that fuu, okay
jaunty heath
I figure crafting one at slightly lower ilvl is a lot cheaper
It’s cheaper but the faster I can raidlog the better my mental
So it’s worth the gold for me personally
swift tinsel
lmao fair point
jaunty heath
swift tinsel
I think the last BoE I bought was Apparatus of Khaz'goroth
random comet
later in the season you can pick them up cheap for alts but
gotta be $$$ to buy them when it matters
vale pine
yea that i got, but just watching quick sims it does use it only during big cds
the sim only uses it during big cd's
random comet
that neck is gonna be crazy pricey
alpine wraith
it is super fucked to change apl to use in the middle then use it right after
i could not manage
to make it more than neutral
because it krangled things sometimes
grizzled bobcat
outside of flag/blades, yes
thx a lot
jaunty heath
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
random hare
random comet
easy buy
cedar eagle
So with orc/maghar racials showing as best, those are 2min but flag/blades are 1.5min, do you just macro it and let it lineup when it does?
alpine wraith
neck is quite good
fallow nimbus
Trickster likes some crit so neck is ok
cedar eagle
I love some neck
swift tinsel
So with orc/maghar racials showing as best, those are 2min but flag/blades are 1...
yeah its up for every other blades
cedar eagle
yeah its up for every other blades
Makes sense ty
void hound
whats our best m+ trinket? kezan is probably ass right
willow pawn
How much of a dps loss is it to enter shadowblades with one shadow dance available for the duration?
swift tinsel
whats our best m+ trinket? kezan is probably ass right
there's a few that are pretty decent
void hound
there's a few that are pretty decent
give me the top 3
bleak night
no
swift tinsel
yeah that's a lot of work
bleak night
alpine wraith
heart of azerokk remnant of darkness and pacemaker are the easy ones to farm
swift tinsel
magnet
void hound
heart of azerokk remnant of darkness and pacemaker are the easy ones to farm
are they all m+?
alpine wraith
although maybe you can play proccing it at low stacks it does some aoe
swift tinsel
it wasn't doing much aoe when I was trying it out a bit ago
at least not worth writing home about
alpine wraith
yea they are from motherlode darkflame and liberation
alpine wraith
it wasn't doing much aoe when I was trying it out a bit ago
it has agi main stat i think so the dmg will be low anyway
swift tinsel
yeah and stacking takes like 2mins+
I just remember it showing up in sims but those might have been the st ones and I forgot
I did trinket sims for a bunch of fight lengths starting with 2mins so they're a blur
alpine wraith
when you use it it does like a little dot on aoe
so maybe on aoe you just use on low stacks
swift tinsel
yeah and just go for quantity hits
serene owl
black powder is soft capped vs nimble flurry which is hard capped
ahh okay thank you so big pulls like necrotic wake start for example better to use black powder
alpine wraith
as the aoe thingy does not care about stacks
tbh will need some testing
will be quite good for the bosses that have phases where you can stack at least
swift tinsel
I wish the ratfang one did damage outside of the 1 damage hit bc it stacks instantly but does literally nothing until you press it every 1.5mins
alpine wraith
like you can take the dmg from a non important part to another
swift tinsel
yeah that might not be a bad idea to check out
probably not making it bis but an interesting alternative
kinda like Scythemaxing as DS
sharp knot
hello, new to sub here, might be a dumb question - does Rupture snapshot the % damage increases from Danse Macabre and SoD?
swift tinsel
rupture doesn't snapshot, no
the only damage increase it specifically gets is from Finality
we tend to avoid casting rupture in shadow dance
sharp knot
ahh kk, ty
steel zinc
Guys, do we use coldblood only during big cds? <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
if your starting out yes
sharp knot
another dumb question - can we just essentially macro Shadow dance and SoD together - from what i see there's zero reason to ever use them apart
swift tinsel
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
swift tinsel
not a dumb question, actually very common
rain stratus
Yeah we try to stack 2nd SecTech with CB, Rotten and Supercharger
sharp knot
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to ...
thank you very much , that makes sense
swift tinsel
Moroes works hard
shadow lance
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
potent schooner
!wa
wicked joltBOT
vestal escarp
!sub
bold urchin
why do you press sectec in cds as first finisher and outside of cds as 2n finisher? Because of cdr in burst window? and outside cause dance macabre stacks?
swift tinsel
easier to fit 2x in flag, plus grants 2 unseen blade hits
which enables coup before 2nd sectech for bigger flawless form stacks which = bigger 2nd sectech with cold blood
outside big cds it doesn't matter as much
so you can cast dance/sod when sectech has 10sec left on its cooldown
barren wren
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.Na just first all the time
meager apex
do you ever hold sec tech ? like if I have it ready but my CDs are coming back in 20 sec do I just send with a Symbols ?
lucid jackal
U only sectec with symbols up
hazy breach
do you ever hold sec tech ? like if I have it ready but my CDs are coming back i...
You generally dont send anything when flagellation has like 20s left
bold urchin
hmm okay, when i test on dummies pretty sure its wrong my 2nd sectec is always rdy before i press second dance
so nothing with 10 secs left
hazy breach
What
swift tinsel
in flag?
bold urchin
y in flag
hazy breach
Your second dance should be immediately after the first one
bold urchin
y
hazy breach
Your second sectech is absolutely not ready before the first dance ends
swift tinsel
unless its your 2nd flag and you messed up earlier
bold urchin
hmm maybe with this sit in stealth and you dance lasts longer stuff? dunno will take a look again
swift tinsel
would your 2nd dance not be ready to send right after first
mighty citrus
do we have kind of a graphic which shows me, how far my trickster aoe evis hits around me (or target) not sure
hazy breach
For that to happen you would have to have spent 47 combo point in 7 seconds of dance
swift tinsel
do we have kind of a graphic which shows me, how far my trickster aoe evis hits ...
its ~8yards around you
mighty citrus
okidoki
bold urchin
ah i guess thats the point i imported aoe talents with the first dance or how its called so my dance is what 11 seconds?
hazy breach
12, ye
lilac stag
i shouldn't macro any cooldown?
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.You don’t want flag and symbols macro’d. Almost all of the CDs have timing variable though out the length of the fight and macros just don’t work.
pale python
vale pine
read below (optimizations)
its explained in the image below or/and the explenation tab
red raven
You don’t want flag and symbols macro’d. Almost all of the CDs have timing varia...
I use a Secret Tech and Cold Blood Macro, is that worth as they line up nicely for each other
lilac stag
I use a Secret Tech and Cold Blood Macro, is that worth as they line up nicely f...
!cb
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
lilac stag
Basically you keep that macro, but have SecTech separate. Use the macro on the second cast of ST.
thorny zodiac
weaponmaster for ST?
vale pine
yes
lilac stag
If it’s 4 mins or less swap TFD with weaponmaster.
alpine wraith
the other way around
placid tendon
would you hold vanish to get TFD up, if there is downtime in a fight?
does that even work?
placid tendon
ok
vale pine
its a weird condition sadly ^^
only talent in the game with this specific requirements
hollow spear
If it’s 4 mins or less swap TFD with weaponmaster.
With my current gear, I have to go to like 2 minutes to make TFD equal
Does TFD scale better with gear to make the 4 minute statement become reality?
hazy breach
Idk its just what i found with the new profile
But thats also for pure ST
for anything aoe its almost always better to be first dance
swift tinsel
replace WM with SL tier bonus and then promptly delete it
random comet
You’d have to sim where that breakpoint is I think
lilac stag
With my current gear, I have to go to like 2 minutes to make TFD equal
My current gear 4 mins is break even give or take 10 Seconds.
hollow spear
Are you guys higher on vers than mastery?
swift tinsel
yeah
lilac stag
No. 22ish vers, 88 mastery
swift tinsel
vers 18k mastery 9k
old anchor
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swift tinsel
I have a few vers/crit pieces so my mastery is lower
lilac stag
WM just meh
west tide
@alpine wraith tyf or new video gonna watch and learn!! u are one of the sub goats like fuu ❤️
swift tinsel
got WM 22 strikes and 37 backstabs from it from the entire reclear we did on tuesday
lilac stag
Juicy stabs I’m sure
swift tinsel
granted ran w/o it on a fight ortwo iirc
lilac stag
alpine wraith
He already had WM. Short fights take TFD.
dont look at wm vs replicating
they cant hurt us!
swift tinsel
hey at least replicating works now!
alpine wraith
man our talents suck
swift tinsel
wm still no flurry
I was looking at our tree again just now and the pathing crosses my eyes
lilac stag
I’d drop WM before Replicating
rustic mortar
is fuu streaming ?
swift tinsel
sub tree is just legit weird
honest saddle
@lilac stag you dont like sepsis??????
honest saddle
I need some official comments on S e P s I s
tell me
IS IT GOOD?
a good CAPSTONE???
lilac stag
Sepsis was fine
dry plank
it was good, no idea why was removed, as well as dust xD
lilac stag
One less knucklehead in here. Perfect.
fathom adder
is it true that the bosses favor our 1:30 cds or was it a meme that it is especially good to have that
honest saddle
never forget, RIP sepsis
honest saddle
is it true that the bosses favor our 1:30 cds or was it a meme that it is especi...
a lot of the fights in new raid are decent for the 90 second window, that is true.
lilac stag
People would enjoy goremaws more if we actually needed energy.
honest saddle
I think they use it in pvp?
honest saddle
yeah
honest saddle
it also makes that warning signs kind of insane that it exists
hollow spear
I would wager the guess that TFD likes vers more
random comet
Or both
swift tinsel
hollow spear
it's a warning sign that they don't understand our spec
honest saddle
iirc, Realz said that because snd scaled with haste, he wanted a haste scaler in the tree
swift tinsel
I don't think it really matters
hollow spear
void pilot
Hey, I'm just coming back and not ready to drop my rogue main. Is sub still performing well or is it back to assass?
hollow spear
Hey, I'm just coming back and not ready to drop my rogue main. Is sub still perf...
back to outlaw baybeee
void pilot
😂
honest saddle
this is really good. I just noticed this Haptics
rain stratus
Outlaw sims highest so it's the best spec 🙂
zealous blade
Outlaw sims highest so it's the best spec 🙂
Wait is this facts or bait
swift tinsel
it often sims highest
rain stratus
One statement is a fact, the other is up for interpretation
zealous blade
swift tinsel
but its damage profile is mostly flat
void pilot
so sub? 😄
swift tinsel
sub is the most fun
void pilot
alr sub it is ty 😄
honest saddle
SUB IT IS
regal hazel
!wa
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night sparrow
Been playing assa my whole life, did learn theory through Fuu's guide + training on target dummy for a couple of hours .. bro sub is so cool to play
still making mistakes but omfg that's orgasmic
random comet
Nothing feels as good as a big sectec it’s true
cursive vapor
still making mistakes but omfg that's orgasmic
keep practicing its worth 🔥
heavy goblet
!fuu
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night sparrow
yep. u guys delay SecTech when there's like ~15sec before 1mn30 burst and obv no Symbols overcap right ? (even tho you're never supposed to be able to overcap Symbols at least on target dummy)
open coral
!guide
chrome palm
yep. u guys delay SecTech when there's like ~15sec before 1mn30 burst and obv no...
You can use secret technique with >= 20 seconds on your burst, if it means you’ll still have symbols with 1 charge and 14 seconds on recharge for the burst. You generally don’t actively need to think about not capping on symbols since you’ll be using it before that happens anyways. You can of course use symbols and secret technique without shadow dance if you need to hold shadow dance for the burst
fathom sun
!fuu
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void ocean
so if I understood correctly, at 7+ targets we dont care about ctg?
chrome palm
so if I understood correctly, at 7+ targets we dont care about ctg?
You still want to consume CTG if you have fazed up for more flawless form stacks
fair kelp
did they already patch the super charger opener?
compact citrus
The Vanish > Shadowstrike is getting annoying as fk
hazy breach
so if I understood correctly, at 7+ targets we dont care about ctg?
You always coup
You just dont eviscerate
bleak night
wait why are people abbreviating coup as ctg
sand ore
just press Nightblade bro
fair kelp
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rain stratus
The Vanish > Shadowstrike is getting annoying as fk
?
sand ore
The Vanish > Shadowstrike is getting annoying as fk
how is it annoying
rain stratus
wait why are people abbreviating coup as ctg
Coup de Grace? I guess its the initials for the words in the ability
random comet
wait why are people abbreviating coup as ctg
Coup The Grace