subtlety

[random hare]

ya*

[leaden prairie]

You only die in 19 actually

Iirc

[mint swift]

Zac how high do you push

Do you play wow or do you just talk abt it

Curious

[random hare]

idk

but when i did 16

16 was a 1 shot

from full hp

so we pre feinted that key

[leaden prairie]

I was rank 3 rogue before I stopped playing live to train in tournament realm

Now I'm r7

[alpine wraith]

zac pumps

[leaden prairie]

But the Chinese are all cheating tho

[random hare]

i need to look for a team

for s2

[leaden prairie]

Same

[mint swift]

I can be the cheerleader

[leaden prairie]

[mint swift]

On the sidelines

Like an Aug but I don’t buff anyone

I just dance and scream

[random hare]

ngl i'll blast s2 rly hard

[sand ore]

I gotchu

[random hare]

i find the dungeons easy to play around with

[random hare]

what ranks are u guys going for

[alpine wraith]

only dungeons im scared is darkflame cleft

[sand ore]

Sorry I was lying

[swift tinsel]

Kinda hope they just delete it and we have 7 dungeons

[mint swift]

No need to be scared if you have candle

[alpine wraith]

and priory but i think that one already got some nerfs

[mint swift]

Candle protects you from dark!

[random hare]

2nd boss is fucked up

[swift tinsel]

we should be invincible in shadows

[random hare]

most fucked up boss in the entire game

[swift tinsel]

imo

[random hare]

dude

his melee range

is like

almost 0

im not even kidding

[mint swift]

I haven’t played any S2 dungeons yet

[random hare]

if tank doesnt use his util well

[alpine wraith]

yea happens sometimes

[random hare]

and gets knock

u wipe

[alpine wraith]

he is a twink ass mfer

[mint swift]

No u

Idk who we are even taking abt

Big wax dude

[shy orbit]

on 6 enemies and less, this button should be pressed whenever weakness is about to drop correct?

[mint swift]

Right

[hazy breach]

No, you use it to build outside of dance

[shy orbit]

but inside dances ignore it?

[mint swift]

Where’s shruiken tsunami

[hazy breach]

Yes

[mint swift]

Much cooler name than shuriken tornado

[leaden prairie]

Zeross

[leaden prairie]

You should tank

[glossy turtle]

are 10s doable in the first week? never transitioned from one seaon to another, so have no real clue.

[alpine wraith]

PoV he trucks

[full wyvern]

Hey, did we confirm from raid testing if the raid wide anti-parry from trickster is still a thing?

[leaden prairie]

If you wanna get an easy team

[alpine wraith]

yea still works

[leaden prairie]

Good tanks also hard carry imo

[steel zinc]

This boss has 0 melee range

[steel zinc]

Yes if you are a mythic ce raider, normal m+ Andy they are np first week

I wouldn't pug though

[steel zinc]

Yes it still works

[glossy turtle]

im a 3,2 pug dude. got some friends who also play well. not that big of a gamer though. no title typa dude yet

[alpine wraith]

the problem is not doing the keys+

is getting to them

[steel zinc]

Yeah then np

[alpine wraith]

you wont get invited as a rogue

[lethal breach]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense geode]

when do you use 2m orc racials?

[steel zinc]

Already spreading sub is meta

[hazy breach]

With blades

[alpine wraith]

you just use it on pull then 3 mins etc

[steel zinc]

Like early on sub is insane

[alpine wraith]

yea but you have to change the mind

[steel zinc]

And also rogue is meta rn

[dense geode]

so you just hold it with every other?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[dense geode]

ok ty

[leaden prairie]

Think sub might be in a decent spot in s2

Strong meta contender

[swift tinsel]

we do what, 85% of our damage in flag windows?

[chilly falcon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glossy turtle]

if main target already has rupture on it, do I just use flag into symbol+dance into normal aoe? or is there a point to using a finisher right after flag, and before popping cds?

[leaden prairie]

You use flag before a finisher cause flag builds up with finishers

[chilly falcon]

just get 30 stacks

[leaden prairie]

So using it before a builder is one wasted GCD

[glossy turtle]

ah ok, so in that case I would just use flag evisc?

[hazy breach]

Nah its more like 75%ish

[leaden prairie]

Or BP idk depends the situation

[glossy turtle]

cause idk can you control replicating shadows? like what target they go on?

[swift tinsel]

ah, yeah that sounds way more accurate. couldn't remember off the top of my head

[hazy breach]

It was upwards of 80% before with ptr tier

But tier nerfed so

[glossy turtle]

after gaming some sub its hella fun, didnt like when we had to use bp like 90% of the time, now evisc feel much better

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that makes sense

[alpine wraith]

i mean sub had same problem as surv and feral a lot of the times

[swift tinsel]

I've had to explain to a few guildmates why our damage is so high rn

[alpine wraith]

you have to CONVINCE PEOPLE

that the spec is good

like really

[leaden prairie]

That's untrue

[swift tinsel]

"because they needed to balance around gutting 4pc by 66%"

[leaden prairie]

Everytime sub was meta it was meta

[random hare]

are we playing windsinger or legendary @hazy breach

[leaden prairie]

It has been the spec a few times in m+ since I started playing

Like most of sl

S1 and S2 df

[alpine wraith]

i mean rogue is meta because lots of good players play it but i cant imagine a season where sub was best

[hazy breach]

Legendary is just better

[leaden prairie]

Best rogue spec

[alpine wraith]

even on those aug came back with a vengeance

[leaden prairie]

Happened a lot

[hazy breach]

Unless everybody else has stopped using the ring

[alpine wraith]

and kicked us out

oh best rogue

[leaden prairie]

Yes

[hazy breach]

But ideally you just get a high ilvl ring and toss circlet in the bin

[leaden prairie]

But this season it looks good

[random hare]

idk everyone is playing windsinger

in ptr

[swift tinsel]

theyre also playing tea

[random hare]

should i stop using legendary if so?

[leaden prairie]

Ye cause no one is playing legendary

So if no one is playing legendary you can't play legendary

[glossy turtle]

do I wanna track flawless form?

[swift tinsel]

I'm hoping to ditch the ring asafp

[leaden prairie]

It's funny cause it's a circle

[hazy breach]

I mean if its on ptr

Just use another ring

[leaden prairie]

Ptr is done I think isn't it

[swift tinsel]

I thought they're prepping 11.1.5

[hazy breach]

Circlet is like ~670 ilvl last i checked for sub

[leaden prairie]

[swift tinsel]

fuck it, crafting ring to get rid of it

[hazy breach]

And other rings are gonna have more vers and stam so

[vale pine]

circlet is slightly behind the 2nd best ring on mythic difficultly

so its worth using for a while

[swift tinsel]

I shouldn't have maxed circlet so I could ditch it faster lol

[vale pine]

as eleem mentioned, many will still use it so legendary is nice

[leaden prairie]

Loses in AOE maybe no?

For outlaw it does but

[vale pine]

i mean its not bis

[leaden prairie]

Outlaw was always worse

Cause it's not stats for us

It's a damage proc

[alpine wraith]

circlet is kinda neat for surv

same as diurna ring

was

but this one tho

6300 mastery pog

inject it into my veins

[uneven scarab]

When it drops with vers mastery

im going NUTS

[alpine wraith]

that works too

but i likemastery more im a simple man

[hazy breach]

Big mastery with small vers is likely to be more contested by others

[alpine wraith]

i might also be the only one that will craft engi helmet and wrists not remorse

[hazy breach]

But ye either way were good

[alpine wraith]

they can contest deez nuts but yea

[uneven scarab]

Any combination of the two and im happy

Frfr

[slate lantern]

thats why i save my money, to bribe my RL

[glossy turtle]

do we wanna play around flawless form? so like its when we have the most overlaps we use cds?

[swift tinsel]

you don't plan your cooldown useage around form

[west tide]

guys signet of the priory does not sim high for me …

gg..

[swift tinsel]

you get stacks in your cooldown windows

[hardy snow]

It seems tier's shadow damage buff is not working correctly on SecTech? like around 7% below expected amount

[hazy breach]

2 minutes is not the same as 1.5 minutes im afraid

[slate lantern]

yus

[glossy turtle]

so is there a reason to track it?

[hazy breach]

To track the amount of stacks you have? No

To track if its up for nimble could be situationally useful yes

[swift tinsel]

I'm debating if I want to take it off my main aura bar and have an icon when its not up and target count is above 6 or so

[glossy turtle]

can you elaborate? wym nimble? nible is always up. would it change gameplay if you didnt track it?

[swift tinsel]

nimble is up when flawless form is up

[glossy turtle]

oh really

good to know lol

but what is the uptime of form, in a dungeon?

[hazy breach]

Like 90%

[swift tinsel]

and sectech grants flawless form

[sand ore]

At least 1%

[muted plaza]

shuriken toss is never used right?

[sand ore]

It’s my entire rotation

[uneven scarab]

Pressing it at all is probably a dps loss unless you are 100 feet from the boss for whatever reason

[glossy turtle]

so what was the benefit of tracking form? 🙂 I didnt quite get your explanation eleem

[swift tinsel]

so you know when you're cleaving

[hazy breach]

If its not up you can toss out a BP instead of evis

But its like out of cd damage

So it doesnt really matter

[glossy turtle]

ok i see

[swift tinsel]

but since uptime is so high its probably more beneficial to track when its not up

[gray cradle]

Hey guys, I have a macro for Cheap Shot like this:

#showtooltip
/use [stance:0] Shadow dance
/use Cheap Shot

It used to work but it doesnt anymore. When Im not in stealth or dance and I try to use it to stun someone it just says 'Must be in stealth'. Does anyone know a way to fix it? Ty in advance.

[glossy turtle]

yeah, ok. ill add it.

[prime ice]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[hazy breach]

Nope it just doesnt work anymore

Theres a few milliseconds delay between pressing dance and actually getting into dance

[gray cradle]

why did they change that

[hazy breach]

So the macros wont work

Probably not intentionally

[gray cradle]

thats disappointing

[vale pine]

The macros broke with one of the last patches

kinda annoying

[gray cradle]

yesss

[vale pine]

but we don't rly use dance + spender macros

[flint umbra]

hows the sub rouges single target in 11.2 ?

[swift tinsel]

futuristic

[sullen hare]

very very purple

[mint swift]

I mean

Nearly as good as it is in 15.1 against high e-

Oh wait

Forgot rules of using a time machine

[shrewd shadow]

[shy orbit]

when flagellate comes back in aoe, do i also eviscerate just like in the opener?

[swift tinsel]

the opener evisc is for slice and dice

so you don't have to if its up

[rocky wolf]

you want to use a finisher but it usually evis or rupture

[mint swift]

Oh my god remember manual slice and dice casts a month or so ago?

One of those changes that, i cannot think how it was without it, despite playing with it for a while

[turbid prairie]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint swift]

Same with off CD fient

[uneven scarab]

i liked my ceremonial snd press

[swift tinsel]

SnD Tax

[uneven scarab]

but i dont really mind it now either way

[swift tinsel]

pay tribute to the attack speed gods

[mint swift]

The hell is snd again

All that comes to mind is seek n' destroy

[muted plaza]

its correct to never backstab from hide right?

[uneven scarab]

Slice and Dice the thing u just said

[mint swift]

oH

[swift tinsel]

[uneven scarab]

[tepid trellis]

dentge

[misty estuary]

realz is cookin a rogue update for 13.1

[mint swift]

You mean from stealth

If so then yea you always shadow strike in stealth

[muted plaza]

yes

[leaden prairie]

He burned all 3 tier sets

And that was like 3 lines

They probably need 4 expac to come up with decent rogue stuffs now

[smoky vault]

" Rogue is hot, don't touch it , one line of code and they are after us if it breaks core design or create problem" must be the class game designer philosophy amongst his team

[pliant topaz]

hey now mr zacerooo why you have to be mad

simply join me

and youll feel better

[alpine wraith]

make a tier set

nerf it

[vale pine]

depends on the target count, if you noticed there are 2 pictures one for lower and one for higher target counts

[alpine wraith]

buff builders

[pliant topaz]

the sub cycle

[alpine wraith]

the ourobos of sub rogue

[muted plaza]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[pliant topaz]

to be fair it is kinda funny that everytime they make a tierset that focuses on damage in cds, and finishers

we end up spamming rupture outside of cds

and then they nerf the tier

[alpine wraith]

and then they nerf it

and buff builders

[void mesa]

whats /cqs in that macro?

[pliant topaz]

almost like something fundamentally is broken with the spec

[vale pine]

well that optimization is not worth anymroe

[pliant topaz]

but im not a designer, so i surely cant know

[misty estuary]

builder only spam build inc

[pliant topaz]

yes but it was and thats the whole point.

[vale pine]

if you mean the "stop using evis/bp"

it makes sense

[pliant topaz]

10.2 tier, rupture spam -> make it unique and not stackable

[vale pine]

if all damage is in cooldowns

you want to make sure to do damage in cooldowns

[pliant topaz]

11.1 -> rupture spam -> nerf the tier so its not worth it

[vale pine]

haha

its like

[shy orbit]

i'm talking about the second set of flagellate, someone already answered. after the second flag i need to use a finisher regardless if its rupture or evis/powder

[bleak night]

remove rupture

[vale pine]

history repeats

[vale pine]

👍

[fathom adder]

is there a big difference in "feel" between having no shaman buff and having it? does having it mean you got more sd cd reduction because more cps ?

[pliant topaz]

yes

if u dont have a shaman, u immediately on pull feel like somethings wrong with your spec

you can get used to it though

[uneven scarab]

You can entirely feel it yeah

[sick plank]

anyone else getting the infinite shadowstrike bug or is it still just me today lol

[random hare]

@leaden prairie what saving all ur cds and all ur procs and dmg and charges for the boss does to you as a sub rogue

@hazy breach

last boss motherlode

[leaden prairie]

did ylu stop playing

[smoky vault]

They just need to get into white page thinking while separating "what is clearly the identity of the class / specs and make it so that they are in line with correct sustain definition". Or do they already ? ... I'm afraid they are not that effective then

[vale pine]

nicu

[pliant topaz]

yepge

[leaden prairie]

nice

i stopped playing outlaw i think

[pliant topaz]

ill probably be back i3.1 or some shit idk. thats how the cycle works

you play league -> quit to play wow -> quit to play league -> quit to play wow

[random hare]

@leaden prairie 1st bos smotherlode

1st boss*

[leaden prairie]

[random hare]

motherlode

how can i not link

pic

[leaden prairie]

i tought ptr was down

is it not

[random hare]

oh

was lagging

[swift tinsel]

I don't think you've linked it enough

[random hare]

tried to link it 100 times

xdd

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[random hare]

i think i can do way more i was lagging i forgot to disable bartender

[leaden prairie]

did you get the addon i told you

zeross

for the bars

so you dont need bartender

[fathom adder]

@pliant topaz ty. could be that or me being bad having trouble to fit 2 sd/symbols between my first two cd sets like the guide suggests. But cannot finish more than i did i guess

[smoky vault]

"I'm great they didn't see enough of me. Let's pretend I'm lagging"

[random hare]

yea zac

using it in live

[hazy breach]

Im in the middle of carrying a world of warcraft keystone, we are on the last boss and my class dev brings me a 18% buff (not asked for) as i do double the other classes boss dps.
So how is your day going?

[warm marlin]

not the ninja tweet

[steel zinc]

sectech proccs

[random hare]

he has amp

[pliant topaz]

that sounds like an issue that could get more or less solved with practice. shaman buff isnt needed to get the sd/sods in flag. you can easily do that on a target dummy without shaman buff. keep practicing and youll get it

[granite river]

@random hare how are your stat weight on ptr

[fathom adder]

just to be sure there is no misunderstanding, i do not mean the 2sd/2symbols in Sb/flag combo every 1:30

i struggle to fit 2 dances + 2 symbols between those 2 big cds right now

guide suggests 2 between cds -> 2 between -> 1 and repeat

or am i understanding it wrong

[uneven scarab]

Sounds like ur not getting nearly enough cdr

[hazy breach]

2 between > 1 between > 2 between

But also if youre on a dummy you'll be having noticeably less cdr than in raid since youre missing skyfury

[slate lantern]

General guide about when you can pop what

[swift tinsel]

yeah without skyfury the 45-55 dance might feel iffy

[pliant topaz]

what eleem said. its more so 2 between > 1 between > 2 between. the cdr on dance isnt high enough to sustain 2 between every time.

[fathom adder]

thank you guys

so its 2 during cds -> 2 between them -> 2 during cds -> 1 between and repeat-ish

[hazy breach]

ye

But thats assuming full uptime

[vale pine]

it is a bit dynamic too

more targets can also change it

e.g. many of the figths in the raid have adds

[jagged coyote]

What’s the over under on how Sub vs Ass will play out this patch?

[hazy breach]

[pliant topaz]

yeah, you kinda just need to get a feel for how much dance you have at the moment, if you can send 1 and still have 2 for next cd set. if dances timings matter (ex, burn phases, damage amps, ad phases etc making dance more impactful at different parts of the fights)

[hazy breach]

They buff and change things very frequently early on into the patch

[rugged condor]

hey, sim does blades into sectech. is this just the sim being weird or do we do this now

[hazy breach]

But right now sub looks good

[hazy breach]

You can do it before or after, it doesnt matter

[rugged condor]

pog

[hazy breach]

As long as its up for the clones

[jagged coyote]

I’m really enjoying all the changes and hoping Sub is brought to my mythic team over Ass

[hazy breach]

(which hit 1s after the button press)

[fathom adder]

ty again. What changes the sd recovery when adds spawn? just using storm outside of dance or whats the reason? just to understand it

[swift tinsel]

more cp per builder cast

so more finishers per unit time

[hazy breach]

Dance cooldown scales with combo points spent

More adds = more shuriken storm = more cp = more cdr

Likewise less uptime = less cp = less cdr

[serene moat]

Why is Flagellation and Shadow Blades not used together?

[swift tinsel]

different durations

[hazy breach]

Also flagellation does no damage when you press it

So if you had them macroed you would waste atleast 1 second of blades always

But its more optimal to build up some flag stacks before pressing blades

[fathom adder]

but do you not use storm only outside of Sd and always shadowstrike inside dance as trickster? or is being outside of dance and using storm common on the new bosses?

[swift tinsel]

flag wants you to finish right after cast, blades wants you to build

[hazy breach]

Yes outside of dance

Every combo point spent (in dance or outside of dance)

Reduces the cooldown of dance

so getting more combo points outside of dance means shorter cd on dance

[fathom adder]

true, thank you i get it now

[serene moat]

Hmm, after the opener, I press flag on cd, but how long do I wait before pressing shadow blades, with sod+sd inbetween?

[hazy breach]

You do the same thing you did in the opener, except you skip the eviscerate since you already have slice and dice up

So you would need to hold flag for a second or two

[dry plank]

What changes?

[hazy breach]

Flag (at 6+ cp) > rupture > dance+symbols > go

[gray cradle]

Did they fix blades not working on the clones' secret tech?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[gray cradle]

niceee

[serene moat]

Why do I refresh rupture after flag? Even when rupture has 10+ seconds remaining?

[hazy breach]

So you dont need to refresh it later on in your cds

When you have flag stacks, blades and dance up

[glossy turtle]

how much of sub's dmg is shadow?

[hazy breach]

Like 40-45%?

Idk havent double checked but somewhere around there

[glossy turtle]

ok 🙂 and would that be buffed by chaos brand?

[serene moat]

Okay I understand, but lets say rupture hast 30-40 sec remaining, still refresh?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[glossy turtle]

nice

[swift tinsel]

35-40% from nerubar simc

[glossy turtle]

what abt m+? still the same?

[swift tinsel]

kinda hard to see some of the slices

[hazy breach]

If its that long no

[swift tinsel]

but that's also DS

[hazy breach]

But then you refreshed it like 2 seconds earlier

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jagged coyote]

Mostly the .5/.7 changes. Didn’t play much once they came out after we stopped raiding. Finally getting to play them and they feel nice.

[vale pine]

roughly 43% shadow damage

[jagged coyote]

Now just give me back the WoD shadow clone blizzard!

[random hare]

@leaden prairie btw

no way sub doesnt get a nerf

i just burst 7m st

lmao

[leaden prairie]

ok but you do all your damage in cds

that doesnt mean anything

[keen dome]

Can we just log the bits where we do no damage between CD's

And then ignore the bits where we have CDs

[random hare]

ye but

i afked

for 3 mins

still top dps

[leaden prairie]

ok well

[vale pine]

don't play lfr then

[leaden prairie]

you are playing keys

with

monkeys

what can i do

[random hare]

?

playing with gamers rn

[leaden prairie]

no way you said that

i join the stream

[vale pine]

lol

[leaden prairie]

and i see

but ye

sub is good cuh

[vale pine]

also one thing to remember

[leaden prairie]

you are losing overall to tettles tho

whased up or

[keen dome]

Damn, do more damage

[vale pine]

transmitter is a slot you gain close to no damage form the new tier

[keen dome]

Sub number one

[uneven scarab]

Damn nerf boomkin

[leaden prairie]

rogues are such victim players tho ngl

[vale pine]

so anyone that does compete in damage and get a decent trinket gets more from a trinket upgrade

[leaden prairie]

only rogue players would get gapped

by a boomie

come in the rogue discord

and say they are going to get nerfed

[alpine wraith]

rogue players are so funny only class that always expects and wants nerfs

[leaden prairie]

(the rogue)

(not the boomies)

[alpine wraith]

boomies wants more buffs

or maybe another rework

[swift tinsel]

was gonna say, boomie will complain they're not leading by more

mage-coded

[slate lantern]

enha same

[leaden prairie]

actually i do find it quite crazy boomie is doing st now

whats up with that

can we delete boomie

another boomie season

[swift tinsel]

Our boomie is the only one who gets close to me on openers

[leaden prairie]

at least this time we can be third dps

no more aug

[hazy breach]

Aint no way boomy is good yet another tier

Who couldve possibly known

[leaden prairie]

boomie is funny

[slate lantern]

And then in shambles in raid right

[leaden prairie]

cause it sucks in low keys so hard

it never getr nerfed in high keys

[random hare]

stop

baiting

xd

[leaden prairie]

its like the opposite of outlaw

[leaden prairie]

what

[leaden prairie]

you are losing overall to tettles my dude

[uneven scarab]

Zeross baiting saying sub op

[leaden prairie]

saying sub is going to get nerfed

[uneven scarab]

Losing to tettles

[leaden prairie]

[dry plank]

wtf this dh damage on steroids or what?

[worn cape]

Next Bench Podcast: Why they should nerf sub

[uneven scarab]

Thats vengeance for u bruh

shit is cracked

[swift tinsel]

Tettles, the cooked take connoisseur

[leaden prairie]

tanks do crazy damage now

[uneven scarab]

ye

[leaden prairie]

let me tell you something

if you play outlaw

you will spend half the packs

under tanks

[uneven scarab]

Outlaw getting gapped by every tank now

[leaden prairie]

and you will like it

[uneven scarab]

not just prot

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[swift tinsel]

inb4 outlaw tank spec

[vale pine]

is outlaw rly that bad?

to be gapped by a owl?

[uneven scarab]

in big pulls ya

it’s terrible

[median nacelle]

is 4/6 chapters max atm?

[keen dome]

Yep

[median nacelle]

campaign

[leaden prairie]

wdym by owl

[median nacelle]

ty ty

[leaden prairie]

it will get gapped by tanks

any tanks

in keys

[wispy cedar]

at least we have kmspree

[random hare]

i was saving cds

for 2nd boss

[young mural]

No you didnt

7m st lmao

liar

[leaden prairie]

the whole key?

[random hare]

?

[uneven scarab]

Definitely doable

[random hare]

u linked 1 boss fight

[leaden prairie]

?

[random hare]

are u dumb

[leaden prairie]

thats the overall

wdym

[random hare]

im talking about this

[leaden prairie]

ye tettles was also holding cds

[random hare]

which is clearly when i sent

stop baiting

[swift tinsel]

Lol I can show 9mil from a raid log, 7mil is 100% doable in key

[random hare]

maybe u cant read

[mint swift]

Imagine getting out dpsed by tettles

[random hare]

idk

[mint swift]

Zac is a noob, not a baiter

get it right

[alpine wraith]

boss damage is cool for sub

[leaden prairie]

tettles also held a 2 min cd

[random hare]

?

[mint swift]

Im gonna fucking kill myself

[alpine wraith]

but other things are also important

[leaden prairie]

so idk what you r point is

[random hare]

u can burst higher in m+ than in raid

zac idk if ur baiting

[young mural]

sure

[random hare]

or trolling

because 1.5m st is trash as fuck

even outlaw doesnt do that low

[leaden prairie]

sin does 1 min in st with aug

[random hare]

why are u talking about s1

[random hare]

[swift tinsel]

literally two days ago

[leaden prairie]

i mean we arent gaining 200 % dps in s2 either idk

anyway

i just said boomie st looked better

[random hare]

cba

[leaden prairie]

than in s1

i also said

you came in here

saying sub is op

and will get nerfed

while getting gapped

by a boomie

named tettlestv

so

[shrewd shadow]

Boomies go boom

Or something

[random hare]

ur dumb

its crazy

[keen dome]

Can't believe an Owl is stealing our purple.

[random hare]

how stupid u are

[swift tinsel]

bro if I see purple owls before purple rogues

[leaden prairie]

and you got gapped by a tier list maker

[uneven scarab]

my brain cells are deteriorating

[random hare]

never seen u act that dumb in ages

[young mural]

im with you @leaden prairie

[uneven scarab]

Rapidly

[leaden prairie]

what does that say about you

[keen dome]

Actually that'd own

[shrewd shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[random hare]

its not like ur gonna do more dps

ur way worse on sub

lol

[leaden prairie]

you got gapped

[random hare]

ur the dumbest person i've ever spoken to

in 2025

ngl

[leaden prairie]

why you are asking for sub nerfs

[mint swift]

Can you two just fuck eachother and make up

[young mural]

1000% agree with zacro, you cant come in saying stuff like that while getting gapped by "ttvtettles"

[random hare]

im playing around boss dmg

[swift tinsel]

its bc you're not Zeross the Third like Tettles

[leaden prairie]

while getting gapped

[random hare]

and ur just reading details

[leaden prairie]

i dont geti it

[random hare]

like a 1k rio dumb fuck

who cares about

keystone hero mount

[leaden prairie]

[random hare]

[young mural]

how did you do that

[random hare]

btw dw

you'll be playing like me in season 2

[swift tinsel]

go to a log, check summary of character

[leaden prairie]

[uneven scarab]

Warcraftlogs

[random hare]

because nobody's inviting sub rogue

for overall dps

idiot

[leaden prairie]

[random hare]

[leaden prairie]

i love talking to zeross

[mint swift]

Who doesn't

[uneven scarab]

pls buff outlaw dawg cant take zeross being in here

[leaden prairie]

🤝

[young mural]

zeross completely pissed

[mint swift]

Dude outlaw needs a nerf

[uneven scarab]

[mint swift]

Idk what you mean

[young mural]

zeross triggerd out of his mind

[mint swift]

cap blade flurry to 3

[keen dome]

No way, please buff Outlaw

Please make Outlaw the meta spec.

[mint swift]

and also nerf BtE

[leaden prairie]

[uneven scarab]

Please make outlaw meta

[mint swift]

No

[uneven scarab]

I beg

[mint swift]

Nonono

Nononon

[keen dome]

I feel like it would make both Zac and Zeross way happier.

[mint swift]

ass and sub

[swift tinsel]

for when you need to question him

[mint swift]

nonononnononono

no outlaw

[shrewd shadow]

Just delete rogue and make us all play shamans

[mint swift]

To be honest

yes

[keen dome]

You'll never take my purple from me

[leaden prairie]

guys

[mint swift]

That will solve rogue

[leaden prairie]

waht if

[mint swift]

No problems to fix

[leaden prairie]

we nerf sub

[muted frigate]

outlaw will never ever be meta with its current design 🙂

[mint swift]

Fuck off zavc

Actually yea

i agree

Nerf sub, make assassination FoTm again

[shrewd shadow]

What if we move the damage from sub to shaman

[mint swift]

But make it bleed assassin

[uneven scarab]

Only if they accidentally nerf assa and outlaw in the process

[mint swift]

So everyne is happy

[shrewd shadow]

They need a boost

[leaden prairie]

iidk how you could nerf outalw rn

[misty estuary]

you have no faith in Realz, hes got something great for the Last Titan

[keen dome]

I've been through the BfA-era of Sub.

I can survive anything

[swift tinsel]

funnel sin and outlaw damage into sub

[mint swift]

Hey

Zul

[keen dome]

[leaden prairie]

is zeross still mad

@random hare im sorry i was only joking cuh

[uneven scarab]

[mint swift]

I think he is trying to beat tettles

[leaden prairie]

i dont think he can

look at that pack

[swift tinsel]

he's locking in

[leaden prairie]

boomie pack

[shrewd shadow]

@random hare push the buttons harder and you’ll win

[keen dome]

Make a joke that'll cause the other DPS to laugh and thereby give you more time to DPS

[mint swift]

Murder the other dps

[young mural]

Eleem peaked at 6.2m with a 99 log on 1st boss, how are you doing that?

[mint swift]

Because he is fucking Eleem

[keen dome]

Actually I change my suggestion to agree with you

[leaden prairie]

wait

[hazy breach]

I played horrible

[leaden prairie]

who is fucking eleem

[hazy breach]

I got stunlocked because i wasnt in stealth on pull

[young mural]

hey i love you dude

[mint swift]

Eleems brother

[leaden prairie]

can i fuck eleem

[lilac stag]

Push your buttons correctly.

[uneven scarab]

its true

[mint swift]

can i fuck YOU

[leaden prairie]

first boss dps is bugged

you cant look at it that way

cuase it has downtime

so the numbers are weird

can only look at overall dps

[mint swift]

Zac what is your fav french meal

[young mural]

@lilac stag im asking @swift tinsel how he peaked 9m on ST when a 99 log of one of the best sub rogues around peaked at 6m, thats all

[leaden prairie]

rn?

[mint swift]

Yea

[leaden prairie]

hm

french tacos

[lilac stag]

Rng gonna rng

[uneven scarab]

He probably played to max out dm stacks

For big burst

not that thats correct but

[alpine wraith]

overall dps is not highest burst

[young mural]

busted

[mint swift]

Yo looked em up

They look lovely

I would wanna try one for sure

[young mural]

yhea i know, but was wondering how this dude did that lmao

[mint swift]

Look unhealthy tho

[alpine wraith]

i can log in with my 22k mastery set and use sec tech at 10 stacks with DM

[mint swift]

But tasty

[alpine wraith]

for some cool 43m sec tech

pig

[mint swift]

Pig?

[keen dome]

I could go for some french tacos tbh

[mint swift]

Oink

[young mural]

lmao

[alpine wraith]

yea pog but pig

[young mural]

dude called me a PIG

[keen dome]

Maybe with some swedish hotdogs too, the weird ones

[mint swift]

Piggers!

[swift tinsel]

check 11.1 logs

[young mural]

hey @leaden prairie and @random hare please go back from where you came from

[leaden prairie]

ye for sure

[young mural]

ooo

[leaden prairie]

who are you

[young mural]

1 sec

[leaden prairie]

i will fight you

david

[young mural]

duel me

[swift tinsel]

wcl is default showing 11.0.7

[leaden prairie]

ok

[swift tinsel]

and we got buffed

[mint swift]

zackies is gonna fight

[leaden prairie]

im waiting in front of

orgrimmar

[keen dome]

He's David Shadowdust, says right there. He's gonna reset this conversation by 30 seconds every 2 minutes.

[swift tinsel]

what a flex

[leaden prairie]

i will reset you

[young mural]

i fucking miss shadowdust

[keen dome]

I bet I could 1v1 you Zac.

[mint swift]

Fucking David shadowdust

Up there with John rogue

[young mural]

DAVID SHADOWDUST

[mint swift]

and steven crackshot

[keen dome]

Buddy cop comedy show

David Shadowdust and Steven Crackshot: Crime Solvers

[uneven scarab]

Garrote Garry was pretty good too

[mint swift]

Yea

Pissing peter is my goat personally

[young mural]

crackshot is such a fucking good skill name

[mint swift]

Sytematic faliure steven

What a gamer

[young mural]

Sudden Demise David is also me

[mint swift]

Lightweight shiv chicane

[swift tinsel]

Shane was right there

[mint swift]

I tabbed out to look something up

This is what i come back to

[young mural]

get kilt ididot

[mint swift]

Shush david

Shadow dancin' david

[bleak night]

dude let his guard down in an undermine back alley

not made for it im afraid

[swift tinsel]

is this what sub is going to be like the next few weeks

[mint swift]

No im just here and i ruin every conversation im a part of

Also my raid day is the longest day of the week

[young mural]

hey guys should i go warlock so i can be pussy and log easily or smash my head against my keyboard trying to log as sub?

[kindred saffron]

Wouldn't of happened if you had 2 monitors

Thats the real issue here

[mint swift]

Leave home at like half 7, get back at half 6

[mint swift]

See the problem is i do

which means i need a third

[kindred saffron]

[hollow spear]

Logging as sub

[young mural]

Could you maybe write me a minimum 100 character response detailing why logging as sub is a dank statement?

[bleak night]

no

[mint swift]

As we all know clowns play sub

Not like metaphorical clowns

Like

literal clowns

Like the ones that work at the circus

[hollow spear]

My days of word minimum essays are over

[mint swift]

Fcuk you you just reminded me i have like 4 assignments

[bleak night]

just dont do them

[hollow spear]

You're welcome

[bleak night]

play wow instead

[mint swift]

Yea, ill ask my proffs about that

[hollow spear]

He's not playing wow obviously

[bleak night]

buy another new bundle from blozard

[mint swift]

Bro im not using my study week to study are you crazy

[hollow spear]

Or he wouldn't die in some back alley

[mint swift]

A wow patch came out this week

[serene moat]

God I do enjoy sub playstyle, it’s just so hard, half of me says stick to it and practice practice practice, other half says go back to assa😅

[keen dome]

Keep at it!

[mint swift]

Well im hard but people don't enjoy my playstyle

[keen dome]

Think of the BIG CRIT

[mint swift]

So im sad

[young mural]

Eleem please how much gold for subtlety classes?

[swift tinsel]

BIG CRITTTTTTTT

[lethal thorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint swift]

Wait so did the stat prio change

You now crit/mast or smtyh

or still mast/ver

[hollow spear]

Yes, haste is bis now

[alpine wraith]

vers mastery still

[keen dome]

I hope not, I love my Ver/Mas

Gimme the big crit and the big living all damage

[hollow spear]

I got so much vers mastery

It wants me to replace vers with crit

[mint swift]

I got 4% vers lol

[hollow spear]

Dang

[uneven scarab]

Gotta pump that up

rocking like 23%

[hollow spear]

That ain't even rookie numbers

[mint swift]

I mean i have 43% mastery and got told to leave outlaw char

[mint swift]

*chat

[alpine wraith]

i mean crit is not that bad

[mint swift]

i also have near 20% haste

[hollow spear]

Duuuude

Leave sub chat too pls

[mint swift]

Ok

[slate lantern]

[hollow spear]

(your assignments will thank you for it)

[young mural]

are we getting another dumb on-use trinket or something normal this season?

[hollow spear]

Hoc is quite straight forward

[alpine wraith]

house of cards is normal

[keen dome]

We push it and we get mastery

[uneven scarab]

Yeah youll just macro

[keen dome]

that's it. it's glorious.

[uneven scarab]

And ignore

[alpine wraith]

but annoying because it has some rng

but that is sub nowdays anyway

[hollow spear]

I feel like the rng is minimal

[tranquil garden]

rng in the casino raid should be considered both normal and expected

[hollow spear]

Did they nerf transmitter again?

[tranquil garden]

I'd be offended if there wasn't any

[alpine wraith]

not again

[hollow spear]

Or still only mythic hoc?

Heroic hoc sims 0.9% below mythic transmitter still

[young mural]

are you guys ready to get fucked?

[hollow spear]

Anytime

[tranquil garden]

transmittter will absolutely eat another nerf in a tuning pass

[pure dust]

good

[hollow spear]

3% aura nerf for us before we get hoc

[pure dust]

hope its dead, never feels good whena previous season trinket is bis

[clever delta]

is stats from egg so much better now than the contract

[mint swift]

Real talk once i finsih this area and do some work on BM keys

Ill

Ok nevermind my idea was broken because i saw sometrhing rlly funny

[keen dome]

Fitting, imo

Seagulls'll fuck you up

[mint swift]

But yea ill do my assigments soon

Tbh they aren't hard

2/3 of them i can do with ease

the other isnt due until

May

And i've already done like half of it

I would work on it more but idk if what i've done is good so far and my prof is on anual leave atm

???????????????????

[spark tusk]

I KNOW

IT WAS THE FIRST THING I DID

LIKE WTF

[bleak night]

lmao

[mint swift]

Of course it was liso

[sand ore]

Tuah

[young mural]

i fucking hate sub rogue

[spark tusk]

then why are you here

[spark tusk]

Did you get your mail back yet?

[keen dome]

It's bullshit. They are evil.

[bleak night]

nope still bugged lmao

[spark tusk]

Same

[bleak night]

[twilit phoenix]

[lilac stag]

One more week of meta chasers or two? Will the raccoon see its shadow.

[vale pine]

lol

[mint swift]

I think they will look at the balance

And nerf warrior

Idk if it’s even good

But when in doubt, nerf warrior

It’s like a coping mechanism for blizzard

[lilac stag]

They’ll nerf Bm before that

[spark tusk]

I mean I'm mostly playing assa in open world questing because if you don't use cds as sub you do negative damage and if you do use cooldowns you kersplode whatever you're attacking in 2 globals

[twilit phoenix]

Nerfing off of preseason stats would be crazy

[young mural]

[mint swift]

:(

Love my bm

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[young mural]

id love to know what do you love about pressing 2-5 buttons

[muted plaza]

hey gus, im reading the guide on wowhead for m+ rotation, i dont really understand the usage of rupture, do i just rupture one mob or do it rupture multiple targets?

[lilac stag]

They can spam text both assa and sub channels while playing their rotation to near perfection.

[young mural]

lmao

[candid raven]

Can I somehow track if my next backstab/shadowstrike is gonna proc unseen blade?

[spark tusk]

No

[hollow spear]

No

[candid raven]

😦

[spark tusk]

You can only estimate the cd but you cannot actually track it

[mint swift]

Hey!

[hollow spear]

How can I change the kir icon to trickster btw?

[spark tusk]

If mobs will live a long time rupture them outside of dance, primarily spread ruptures as the tank is gathering the enemies

[jaunty umbra]

it's not about the number

[spark tusk]

Yes I wrote a custom WA to estimate the CD as well.

It's still an estimate

[young mural]

you didnt write it dude

[spark tusk]

The SnD talent makes random resets which are completely untrackable

[mint swift]

But yea most of it is the class flavour of controlling and commanding a ton of beats to kill shit

[spark tusk]

I said "As well", and I didn't say I wrote that one

[mint swift]

Also it’s fun every now and then to have a chill, easy to do rota

[lilac stag]

Just spitting 📠

[young mural]

you didnt write the one you use too

you clicked a few buttons

[spark tusk]

?????

[hollow spear]

Are you here to troll mate?

[swift tinsel]

yo don't talk shit to LE

[young mural]

sorry

[molten citrus]

[young mural]

sorry dudes with stealth profile pic

[spark tusk]

You're saying I didn't write this?

[young mural]

sorry LE

[hollow spear]

Or are you just always that annoying 😂

[young mural]

Yhea i got fucked

you actually wrote code for it

nice work

[lilac stag]

love me some sub fotm shit heads

[jaunty umbra]

[swift tinsel]

who come in and say they fucking hate sub

[hollow spear]

[young mural]

well i fucking hate it

[lilac stag]

Tbf me

[mint swift]

I know i know

[young mural]

and still play it

[mint swift]

But truth hurts

[candid raven]

Is this that hate/play thing that happens in League all the time aswell?

[young mural]

@hollow spear and @swift tinsel confirmed to be 50+ y/o

[hollow spear]

Scath is the resident sub hater

[young mural]

sorry ill stop

[leaden prairie]

why do you always ping 2 guys at a time

[lilac stag]

No. The hate comes from the core of the spec still having issues. Tricksters bandaids it. We’re a BP buff away from misery.

[leaden prairie]

always grouped

[sand ore]

Are you talking to me

[young mural]

dude go back to your thing

go to #outlaw

[leaden prairie]

im a sub main

[slate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/2chicksatthesametime-officespace-lawrence-gif-25457711

[young mural]

How close am i to getting banened?

[hollow spear]

I thought you were a sin main now?

[leaden prairie]

no i changed

[hollow spear]

Dang

[lilac stag]

Not. Zac trolls more than that.

[young mural]

nice. still got some wiggle room.

[molten citrus]

Barely

[lilac stag]

Accurate ^

[leaden prairie]

i dont troll

wdym

[hollow spear]

Good one

[keen dome]

At least Zac has a cute profile picture. I just imagine it's that bear saying those things.

[leaden prairie]

tbf scath hates me

idk why

but its ok

i dont mind

[young mural]

scath seems mad all the time

idk why

[hollow spear]

Did mods mute Zeross in here?

[candid raven]

I wanna macro Dance with Symbols in such a way that it uses both all the time, but only uses Dance if I press shift on it. Can somebody tell me how?

[vale pine]

Hey, why are you linking my code there (its a joke)

[leaden prairie]

ye only in this channel tho

[molten citrus]

[lilac stag]

Nah. I’m just sarcastic and it doesn’t translate well over text with multilingual peeps.

no time for hate

[leaden prairie]

you use .

[spark tusk]

This has happened before and will happen again

[leaden prairie]

you are either 50 year old

or mad

[young mural]

exactly, its crazy

LMAO

fuck you zac

[hollow spear]

He was omega yapping for two days straight and now there's no more Zeross

[leaden prairie]

why

are you 50

[jaunty umbra]

did you drop the spear scath

[vale pine]

tbh its the beauty of weakauras, you can joink someones else work if it fits your task

[leaden prairie]

its ok you can be 50

you are in the right channel

[swift tinsel]

what the fork!

[young mural]

(beauty of programming)

[leaden prairie]

i stole your envenom bar

[young mural]

im 22