most of them are playing sub now lol
#subtlety
swift tinsel
fickle mason
Is secret techniques always first finisher after shadow dance, its always gelt better to get it sooner but I read somewhere that you want 3 stacks of Danse Macabre
vale pine
rly good that the new zone is not lagging at all
swift tinsel
Is secret techniques always first finisher after shadow dance, its always gelt b...
wanna use it first
we don't play around Danse anymore
mint swift
rly good that the new zone is not lagging at all
Bro it happens every single laucnh
swift tinsel
getting sectech on cooldown during dance is important
procs fazed and makes our next 2 strikes ignore unseen blade cooldown
and make it so we can fit 2x in our big cd windows easier
and does lots of damage and grants more flawless form
(sectech big button)
proven plover
@vale pine idk if its a wowhead bug or somehow fixable by an editor, but on the rotation page if you swap the tab from opener to explanation, the contents get stretched outside of the box
vale pine
on mobile?
proven plover
no on web
vale pine
i can look later
proven plover
idk if its the same on mobile, havent checked
proven plover
as a web dev I can confirm that building sites for mobile, which were not designed for mobile from the start, is fucking hell
swift tinsel
yeah I wouldn't wish that on anyone
proven plover
using chrome
vale pine
maybe its browser dependent
solid vale
sending naked symbols still a thing? or no
proven plover
on edge its the same for me.. but I have a 3440x1440 monitor, maybe its my resolution
vale pine
only with secret
proven plover
that fucks with the code
swift tinsel
it does it for me too on chrome
left ledge
as a web dev I can confirm that building sites for mobile, which were not design...
This is why you build for mobile first
swift tinsel
vale pine
no
edge has the same issue
ill see if i can fix it
(currently doing the new zone with my gf, so can't look immidiatly)
latent finch
i just was so happy that i got mystic transmitter in vault till i realized i cant upgrade it 
vale pine
looks like a formating problem of the section because other sections work
hybrid wave
WTF is this damage
void hound
this trickster spec.......might be good
serene moat
Okay subtlety feels really cool, but aligning those cooldowns, and knowing when and how to stagger their usage instead of full send is quite difficult😅
Like staggering flagellation and shadow blades in our opener, do I still stagger them after the opener or send both together when they come off cd?
hazy breach
Okay subtlety feels really cool, but aligning those cooldowns, and knowing when ...
The same way you do in the opener ye
subtle jay
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subtle jay
God save the Fuu
serene moat
The same way you do in the opener ye
Would it be a noticeable loss of just macroing flag and sb together and just sending both, or is the staggered use recommended?
swift tinsel
this trickster spec.......might be good
trickster supremacy 
they have different durations so you want to stagger them
better to end at the same time than start
hazy breach
Would it be a noticeable loss of just macroing flag and sb together and just sen...
Yes it would be a noticeable loss
lucid trail
sub eating good atm bois
swift tinsel
white thunder
is there a way to get a spark this week?
mighty citrus
team is there a certain cartel we shall pick or is it whatever?
stoic granite
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oak rune
proven plover
why does this talent exist
hexed dagger
is it critical to hit SB before initial hit of sectech, or can i hit it off gcd before the clones?
hazy breach
As long as its up when the clone hits (1s after sectech cast) its fine
It doesnt matter if its before or after sectech
void hound
but the initial hit does benefit from shadowblades now
hexed dagger
kk ty
void hound
or does it not?
hazy breach
It did before too
lethal gale
is it better to cb the first sectect or 2nd?
hexed dagger
is there a tldr somewhere about target counts and storm/bp?
just want a condensed rule list
hazy breach
7 or more bp
glossy turtle
casual said to bp at 7 and above targets. is the right thing to do? now? I thought it was 5 and above
hazy breach
is it better to cb the first sectect or 2nd?
second in blades always
hazy breach
casual said to bp at 7 and above targets. is the right thing to do? now? I thoug...
Yes, then they buffed nimble
And now its 7
hexed dagger
and storm inside dance only as second builder with rotten talented. or outside dance with 2+ targets?
hazy breach
At 7 or more you would do the one storm in dance yes
molten citrus
is there a tldr somewhere about target counts and storm/bp?
check out the wowhead/iceyveins guides
glossy turtle
looks like jpc coming back
hazy breach
Outside of dance its just always at 2+
molten citrus
void hound
looks like jpc coming back
damn
hexed dagger
and then in terms of new tier. are we completely not tracking stacks as of new changes?
or are we trying to game it a little
lethal gale
leaked
glossy turtle
ye haha
swift tinsel
casual said to bp at 7 and above targets. is the right thing to do? now? I thoug...
its 7 after 11.1 with the buffs we got
swift tinsel
and then in terms of new tier. are we completely not tracking stacks as of new c...
you don't have to track, its worth playing around in some scenarios but you're by no means forced to
like important add spawns that line up with our cds, end of m+ packs, etc
proven plover
during shadowdance outside of SB if the SS doesnt build 6 cps, can I finish on 5 or do I have to send second SS
hexed dagger
yeah I mean if it will help to track it I would like to for sure, just catching up on news and discussions since Ive lived in the sin channel this whole tier
hoary bloom
!guide
random hare
swift tinsel
yeah before the tier set nerf it would have been a good idea to know at least when you were at max stacks but post-nerf its not as big
random hare
💀
swift tinsel
personally I haven't decided yet, might have an icon when its at 10 but it'll be small
tepid trellis
during shadowdance outside of SB if the SS doesnt build 6 cps, can I finish on 5...
build again
vocal salmon
anyone else having bug with stealth bar? or just shadow dance?
swift tinsel
what kind of bug?
rough rivet
dont see anything in the pins - is escalating blade bugged(again)? its perma on 4 stacks for me
molten citrus
dont see anything in the pins - is escalating blade bugged(again)? its perma on ...
relog
lag can bug it out
vocal salmon
ex i start from stealth with shadow strike and my bar does not change to "normal" where i have my backstab
rough rivet
ty
molten citrus
ex i start from stealth with shadow strike and my bar does not change to "normal...
subterfuge?
vocal salmon
nope
swift tinsel
are you in Undermine zone?
molten citrus
swift tinsel
lag pit of hell
vocal salmon
are you in Undermine zone?
yes
hoary bloom
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.could be lag bc that zone is awful rn
vocal salmon
could be lag bc that zone is awful rn
well i hope this is the cause
swift tinsel
try in org or somewhere else
cedar willow
hey, do we know what's our best bet for tier early? Do we keep old tier?
swift tinsel
New 4pc asap
proven plover
fortunately we seem to have the highest gain from our tier on our token as of now
which means we should get it very fast if your guild considers that
glossy turtle
inside dance we also still use shadowstrike as builders right? and then shuriken storm outside of dance, right?
vestal escarp
swift tinsel
now they just gotta make it purple
void hound
inside dance we also still use shadowstrike as builders right? and then shuriken...
you can storm once as second builder in dance
if you intend to BP
hushed pendant
What is the stagger duration for flag then blades? is there a duration or is it just once you 7 stack cps and send a finisher
swift tinsel
no more than 8 seconds between flag and blades ideally
hushed pendant
cool cool, thank you.
hazy breach
But you usually just go flag > rupture > send dance+symbols
Only exception being if you dont have slice and dice up (aka in the opener), then you do an eviscerate first
swift tinsel
how much of a diff is it to skip the evisc (its .007% worse, neat)
and get snd from the evisc in dance
bc you get ub from first strike, then 2 more from the 2 strikes after sectech
so 1k cuts doesn't really do anything unless you highroll
tulip galleon
so sub no longer has vanish CDR rotation/talents?
worn cape
Nope
small epoch
Im struggling so hard on the opener O_O
how do we manage all the ogcds with situational cds
like secret tech+coldblood
since we dont want to macro it together
swift tinsel
so you can macro it together, but you'll need a regular secret technique bind
otherwise if you're still working it out its fine to use the macro all the time
and adjust to the 2nd cb only once you're more comfortable
slate lantern
how do we manage all the ogcds with situational cds
practice and knowledge
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> idk if its a wowhead bug or somehow fixable by an editor,...
It seems like the default size messed with it, i did remove it and lowered the box size, it now renders correctly in edge for me.
vale pine
gl with anything on wowhead mobile
It improved, e.g. the rotation guide should work well on mobile, but if you have problems let me know so i can try finding solutions for it.
swift tinsel
I just mean wowhead in general on mobile
idk if I've looked at any of the guides on my phone
swift tinsel
ah, interesting
vale pine
ill show you what i mean
swift tinsel
I didn't know that was something you could do on your end
thought that was all wowhead's own backend stuff
swift tinsel
Oh wow yeah the rework looks way cleaner, I dig it
looks a lot closer to the desktop version than I'm used to seeing pages
crystal rain
!fuu
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snow vapor
is two passive trinkets really bad for keys? I dont raid and 2min trinkets seem very awkward
seaforium + motherlode/knife for ex.
dark pine
hey all, new to sub; something im struggling with is im holding a charge of SD because SB/Flag is coming up, but i ST comes up and i feel like im sitting on it for way too long. is the play just to use that ST and then use SB/Flag when ST is back up?
swift tinsel
hold sectech when flag cd =< 20 sec or so
dark pine
sweet, so it is actually fine to hold it, thanks
swift tinsel
yeah, its fine to hold things a little bit to ensure you get 2x sod/dance/sectech in flag+blades
most important part of our damage are those cooldown windows
the dances/sectechs in between are just kinda there
dark pine
yeah gotcha. and is it 1 charge of SD when flag is at 40?
swift tinsel
1 dance + 1 with 30-40sec left on its cooldown when flag is up
and you're safe to send
and 1 sod charge + 1 with 8ish sec left on its cd
dark pine
so you're playing more wait til flag is up and then see what you have, rather than saving shit in advance for flag?
hazy breach
No you want to send flag asap
its more a question of
"will i be able to do this and still have 2x symbols, 2 dances and 2 symbols in flag?"
!cds
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Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.
swift tinsel
so you're playing more wait til flag is up and then see what you have, rather th...
its more "wait to see what you have for sectech between flags and save things in advance for flag"
dark pine
gotcha okay, and i guess because of the CD reduction mechanic theres no hard and fast rule for when flag is at X seconds you start saving SD?
swift tinsel
like eleem said, flag is way more important so you play around that and having 2x of each for it
correct
cdr can be variable
well, mostly correct
hazy breach
Usually 30 but if youre in a situation where you have 2 charges of dance and 30 seconds left of flag for some reason then you could still send a dance
Since youll still be able to use 2 during your next flag
swift tinsel
usually when I send dance when flag is <40 I run into a gap between the double dance
might be a skyfury diff tho
dark pine
awesome, thank you both so much
swift tinsel
Eleem did you piss someone off at youtube where your channel is impossible to search for
lol
swift tinsel
I'm subscribed and it still doesn't come up lol
hazy breach
near stratus
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proven plover
It seems like the default size messed with it, i did remove it and lowered the b...
Nice, thanks a lot for your work
swift tinsel
awesome, thank you both so much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUltGUGtuVw here's his video on how to handle your cooldowns, very helpful
vale pine
is two passive trinkets really bad for keys? I dont raid and 2min trinkets seem ...
you typically want transmitter or once season 2 starts house of cards
these trinkets basically line up perfectly with our 1 minute 30 window
does not mean you can't run other trinkets, but you get the highest benefit from them
void hound
@hazy breach cute thumbnail
snow vapor
yeah, just wondering if it's THAT far behind, I'll probably get house of cards on dinar after
dark pine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUltGUGtuVw here's his video on how to handle yo...
goat thank you
swift tinsel
practice with that and the timeline I linked a bit above and that should help sort things out hopefully
snow vapor
if I should stick it out with 2 passives or face the awkwardness of 2min (signet or smth)
swift tinsel
sub benefits from on-use because its a controlled stat boost during our cooldown window
vs potentially not having a passive proc during it or the part of our cooldown window when we do the most damage
so you're not totally inting by running double passive, but you're losing potential damage as opposed to if you're using a 2min trinket in every other flag window
snow vapor
2 on use angle, lmao
vale pine
2 on use is not bad
you have a lot of downtime
but you never rly want two on use trinkets with stats
so we don't want to mix house of cards with transmitter
glossy turtle
these stats are pretty decent for sub right? have in mind i have a vers flask on rn, giving me 2,6k vers
vale pine
you want a lot of mastery and vers
so looks good, can trade off some crit for more mastery/vers if you have spare gear pieces
glossy turtle
nice. we are pumping btw. and not having to press bp that often feels soo good
how good is the current tierset compared to the next one?
shrewd grail
how you guyz farming crest RN ?
vale pine
I don't
glossy turtle
we dont really do that
white thunder
anyone gotten spark fracture?
keen dome
That's next week, I believe.
swift tinsel
you can get some crests but not really worth it atm
vale pine
i spend some quality time doing the questline in the zone with my GF and had to smile a bit every time she drove into a wall complaining how bad the car controls are.
shrewd grail
quality time with those lagg
keen dome
You can get a load of crests just doing TWW weeklies (Machine, Azj weekly, the four fire things, etc) but it's just the 645 max crests so it's very whatever.
vale pine
we did most of the quests in the zones quest
also... ||Why... How.. did we end up in zuldazar during the questline, this makes no sense..... ||
glossy turtle
any prekey stuff we can do?
vale pine
atleast its not lagging there
id did
vale pine
any prekey stuff we can do?
you can do the new delves, but they still reward season 1 stuff
swift tinsel
the one I did so far in the new zone has a pretty neat layout, I dug it
shrewd grail
time to play BnS
swift tinsel
didn't love all the fungalmancer ones
flint umbra
How’s sub feeling? Still completely horrid outside of cds?
vale pine
like, in a good way
swift tinsel
was it the gold monster one?
vale pine
it looked like you wouldn't spend 20 minutes in it
swift tinsel
where you're sewer crawling
vale pine
ye
swift tinsel
yeah the one I did was like 5 mins if not less
keen dome
Both of the new ones felt good to me 'cos they're so small and quick.
cyan pier
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swift tinsel
at an 8
keen dome
Just and quick in'n out and not getting angry at Brann for once.
swift tinsel
i'm excited to see how they fare at 11
hazy breach
How’s sub feeling? Still completely horrid outside of cds?
yes but thats on purpose
vale pine
How’s sub feeling? Still completely horrid outside of cds?
i would say "relaxed"
hazy breach
In CD feels real good, plays exactly like it did before
vale pine
sounds a lot more positive
swift tinsel
when you pull or strike and he's tanking the mobs instantly leap to him
clever delta
this week is realyl weird
swift tinsel
so you gotta be pretty close or you're doing the awkward runback or having to step to them
clever delta
nothing to do ingame no raid
swift tinsel
Its nice
and relaxed
I'm personally a fan of having a cool-off week of getting to explore with no pressure
just enjoy the fun of the zone for the fun of it
flint umbra
Is sub going to be any good in m+?
swift tinsel
I think the vibe of Undermine is stellar
keen dome
Sure
keen dome
I think the vibe of Undermine is stellar
Same.
flint umbra
Rogue had nothing happen for them for s2… it sucks because I really like rogue
keen dome
I do think they should've had M0's at S2 level but otherwise it's chill. Nice to just let people do stuff.
swift tinsel
and Drive is gonna be awesome once I'm more used to it and get more customization options
flint umbra
Do they plan on taking a look at rogue at all? This is assuming there are even devs working on rogue 
swift tinsel
idk, maybe if they drop 636 gear but you can't upgrade it until next week wouldn't be awful
keen dome
Rogue is pretty good right now, though.
flint umbra
Rogue is pretty good right now, though.
Performance wise?
hazy breach
Both
keen dome
idk, maybe if they drop 636 gear but you can't upgrade it until next week wouldn...
You can get some 645 pieces this week via renown / RNG anyway so it's still whatever.
marble ledge
Alchemical Chaos or Tempered Versatility? Two different answers between WoWhead and Icy
hazy breach
Alchemical Chaos or Tempered Versatility? Two different answers between WoWhead ...
It doesnt matter
swift tinsel
You can get some 645 pieces this week via renown / RNG anyway so it's still what...
Didn't know about this!
flint umbra
Not exactly tuning, I just think there should have been some qol changes and bug fixes
Mainly an outlaw thing
But still
marble ledge
okay ty
keen dome
Didn't know about this!
I got Renown 7 today and bought the boots, took them to 645 'cos it's the easy crests that are worthless haha
swift tinsel
Not exactly tuning, I just think there should have been some qol changes and bug...
we got many bugfixes
marble ledge
Radiant Power or Authority of the Depths for M+?
swift tinsel
some of them are buffs
keen dome
Vet caps at 645, for context.
haughty mural
There were many fixes
flint umbra
Trickster? Is it finally completely fixed?
swift tinsel
they just didn't list a single bugfix in the patch notes
trickster is in a very good spot bug-wise
flint umbra
they just didn't list a single bugfix in the patch notes
Yeah it’s why I assumed they just didn’t do anything
flint umbra
trickster is in a very good spot bug-wise
The blade flurry thing is functioning perfect with shadow blades and all that?
Oh
💀
Top of the list
swift tinsel
I personally don't think that's a bug
unless it worked at one point
because blades damage is its own thing outside of melee/evisc/strike/etc
swift tinsel
I'd like it to for sure
keen dome
Ye
flint umbra
Idk.. feel like THE damage cooldown should be affected by the thing that supplies our aoe in trickster
swift tinsel
but the way its designed its just adding damage into its own pool of "Shadow Blades Damage"
haughty mural
THE damage cooldown is flag
keen dome
And SecTec
flint umbra
Flag is nothing without SB
swift tinsel
ehhh debatable
hazy breach
On Aoe it is
flint umbra
Sec technique isn’t really a cd imo, it’s up early enough to be used many times in a rotation
Sec tech is the reason I like sub tho, feels good to press
acoustic lodge
Sec Tech is the best ability for rogue. Sick animation
flint umbra
Yessirrrr
swift tinsel
the way we orient our damage around it is definitely cooldown territory
and how it affects trickster especially
slate lantern
any reason why this isn't groovy? i found myself only casting them together so figured just do a macro
flint umbra
the way we orient our damage around it is definitely cooldown territory
That’s a good point, you set up everything around making it hit as hard as possible
swift tinsel
if it didn't have all the extra implications with it I'd totally agree with you
its just a very loaded button
vale pine
i use a macro for flag + transmitter
steel zinc
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vale pine
think its nice
flint umbra
Transmitter… thank god it’s gone
slate lantern
i use a macro for flag + transmitter
yeah i meant more just why its not working lol, i triple checked the spelling on Flagellation
slate lantern
Transmitter… thank god it’s gone
lol for who
dry plank
Sec Tech is the best ability for rogue. Sick animation
sick animation has trinket contract from Kyveza boss and thats unfortunately
flint umbra
Jump 3 times 🤖
acoustic lodge
Should you macro SoD ?
swift tinsel
no
slate lantern
no
acoustic lodge
RIP my fingers
flint umbra
lol for who
Will be gone at least, need a few more weeks
swift tinsel
it has too many "if/then" conditions
vale pine
I learned recently that you can use spell id's in macros
swift tinsel
the issue with subtlety and macros is you'd need just as many macros as natural binds to cover the different scenarios you'd use those macros
vale pine
i thought about terrorizing people by suggesting macros with spell id's
swift tinsel
so it's not really a benefit
vale pine
slate lantern
I learned recently that you can use spell id's in macros
ah if i press the button before my gcd is up it does the transmitter but not flag
swift tinsel
I use tempered potion item id
bc if I don't it doesn't use it
like in our full clear last night
vale pine
ah if i press the button before my gcd is up it does the transmitter but not fla...
yes, also if you are not in melee you would not flag
flint umbra
Are you guys pretty okay tho with sub for now? Tier set seems decent. Dark brew??
haughty mural
No dark brew
swift tinsel
Sub is poised to be pretty great this season, our tier set is still strong in spite of the nerf
trickster gameplay is incredibly fun
flint umbra
Not worth? Makes sense with trickster at least
swift tinsel
we have a good 1.5 minute trinket
flint umbra
Non annoying trinket?
swift tinsel
idr the last sim I did between db and non-db but it was close
flint umbra
flint umbra
Niceee
swift tinsel
and we have a fair amount of gearing options for our off-tier slots
and near-equal weapons from raid and m+
swift tinsel
and the raid dagger is from an early boss
flint umbra
Yeah I’m planning on playing like 8 alts, if they’re fun enough I’ll probably play it
swift tinsel
so all in all, sub is looking pretttttty cozy
haughty mural
We are vibing
mint swift
Dude how much free time do you have
flint umbra
MMs rework made it super fun tbh
vale pine
Are you guys pretty okay tho with sub for now? Tier set seems decent. Dark brew?...
dark brew can be played in mthic+ but you typically just stick with the rotten talent setup
shy orbit
when i have coup de grace, do i vanish in the opener cause i cant shadowstrike after vanish?
vale pine
are you guys okay with always sounds negative tho
shy orbit
cause i cant shadowstrike after vanish
swift tinsel
dark brew can be played in mthic+ but you typically just stick with the rotten t...
hows db simming for you lately? last I remember it was like .4% diff
flint umbra
Dude how much free time do you have
I mean I’m not grinding each character like a main, i try to at least get weekly stuff done on each
exotic holly
pumped for sub play. coming back to rogue feels good. just gotta relearn it 😛
mint swift
I mean I’m not grinding each character like a main, i try to at least get weekly...
Oh i thought you meant like
Full vault
Raiding on em all
Shit like that XD
vale pine
hows db simming for you lately? last I remember it was like .4% diff
it should be not too far off in dungeon sims, single target a bit more behind
keen dome
About bats
Bats own
swift tinsel
the more time I've spent on here and in ptr the better perspective I've had lately and a bit less doom
flint umbra
Raiding on em all
Yeah I probably have like 3 or 4 that are taken more seriously than the rest, but yeah I just like messing around with all the classes for variety
shy orbit
when i have coup de grace, do i vanish in the opener cause i cant shadowstrike a...
anyone knows?
swift tinsel
it should be not too far off in dungeon sims, single target a bit more behind
should I still be simming in mimiron for now or is it good to switch back to raidbots?
I do have the simc desktop app too but I can never tell if I'm using the right version lol
hazy breach
when i have coup de grace, do i vanish in the opener cause i cant shadowstrike a...
Why would you not be able to shadowstrike
mint swift
Yeah I probably have like 3 or 4 that are taken more seriously than the rest, bu...
Idk if i can focus on 2 let along 4
i wanna play BM and ASSa
especially as assassination can be bleed now
Instead of
vale pine
Why would you not be able to shadowstrike
i think the context is: in a macro
keen dome
I can barely play one character well.
keen dome
Immense power to those who can play multiple. Hell yeah
mint swift
Envenom --> FoK --> Envenom --> FoK --> Mutilate -->Envenom --> FoK --> Envenom --> FoK --> Mutilate -->Envenom --> FoK --> Envenom --> FoK --> Mutilate -->
swift tinsel
try to get 2k rio on like eight diff classes
this season I'm just gonna play my rogue
maybe an alt
flint umbra
Yeah that sounds interesting, ass can be pretty fun sometimes
shy orbit
Why would you not be able to shadowstrike
https://streamable.com/gw5yak
you can see it here
i cant use shadowstrike after vanish in this video
hazy breach
Well coup breaks your vanish
mint swift
Just strike from the shadows ?!?!?
hazy breach
So you can just wait with the vanish
Until coup is over
You dont need to vanish 0.8s before youre supposed to strike
mint swift
Eleem
Random question
LIke completly
"Why would you ever ask this" question
Type of question
What is your fav pokemon beside Raichu
keen sinew
new sub player here - what macros are people using for cds? seems like shadow dance and symbols need to be seperate with the vast duration disparity no?
shy orbit
Until coup is over
ill test this out
swift tinsel
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.Koffgong?
shy orbit
Until coup is over
works
haughty mural
are you guys okay with always sounds negative tho
Wdym ?
teal hemlock
!wa
vale pine
Wdym ?
the phrase "are you okay with" always has a bit of a negative tone is all i am saying
so i did wonder if there is something you disslike ^^
haughty mural
Ohh - you were referring to his message
hazy breach
What is your fav pokemon beside Raichu
Not sure, im not actually that invested in pokemon anymore tbh 
exotic holly
appreciate all the hardwork you put into helping all of us @vale pine ! its nice to jump back into a class i enjoy and have a source to learn from.
hazy breach
Its just a meme among some friends that i never swap pfp and ive had raichu since i created my skype forever ago
swift tinsel
sorry, the answer we were looking for was "Klawf"
mint swift
Not sure, im not actually that invested in pokemon anymore tbh <:KEKW:1095800628...
Fiar
Mines hydriegon
Love that guy
swift tinsel
shiny klawf is op
hidden oar
is it true that we want to use black powder with trickster only when 7 or more targets?
swift tinsel
Yep
haughty mural
No fake news here
mint swift
I mean
David just gave a bad pokemon opinion
So like
Fake new
JKK
Klawf is ballin
Also oh boy
My 4th NW in a ro
exotic holly
@swift tinsel also for some weird reason your pfp gives me like EARLY newgrounds videos vibes lol
exotic holly
LMFAOOOO
swift tinsel
whoever made it is the real mvp
exotic holly
this is good
mint swift
The fuckin ww icon
swift tinsel
yours makes me afraid of really big feet
bleak night
the dented head for fury lmao
swift tinsel
Holy priest looks legit sad like anyone who tries to lfg as holy priest
swift tinsel
Ele
mint swift
It took em a while to notice what Destro was
hollow spear
And who is handsome squidward
swift tinsel
Frost dk has a mini santa hat
swift tinsel
And who is handsome squidward
Demo
summer peak
Guys is there a reason rupture is used directly after flag
hazy breach
So you dont need to refresh it during the later parts of flag
Where you have more stacks and shadowblade/shadow dance active
keen sinew
anyway to get around accidentally backstabbing after pressing vanish?
dawn hinge
boys, the catalyst charge we got this week, that's a s2 charge, yes?
brisk citrus
Sorry if this has been asked before: a CB + SecTech macro is fine as long as I have a regular SecTech keybind right? Nothing else I'd ever want to CB?
dry jacinth
!wa
mint swift
Had a mw healing like 400K on a 15
Also group damage was uhh
Keep in mind im playing bleed build X)
cunning turret
Hi guys, in the opener, SB and Flag are split slightly (by a gcd or two). should i be sending each of em on cooldown, or wait for them both to be up before sending on 2nd set of cds?
swift tinsel
They should come up close to each other
Because they’re both 1.5min cds
So you’ll send flag first because it has a longer duration
And blades should be pretty close behind by a few seconds
As long as blades is cast before the first set of Sectech clones hit (1 second after the cast/physical hit)
dry jacinth
anyone who uses luxthos WA. Do you know how to reduce/increase the transparancy of "utility" icons when they are OFF CD?\
swift tinsel
Like most of our cooldowns, you don’t need every single one to be 100% up before you start the window
bleak night
is this from a larger sheet?
swift tinsel
Which is an adjustment for people who are used to specs that just send everything as soon as it’s up
bleak night
if so can i steal a link
swift tinsel
is this from a larger sheet?
Hachadino’s
cunning turret
Thanks dave, you've answered me a couple of times, always with solid advice. it's much apriciated whilst i get back into the swing of the spec after multiple expacs healing 😄
swift tinsel
Happy to help! It’s a weird spec to get used to and a lot of the moving parts don’t make sense out of the box
slate lantern
if so can i steal a link
haughty mural
Keep in mind im playing bleed build X)
St is kinda ass with it no?
slate lantern
dont steal it its free
bleak night
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uQH2cyFpJH9eVS_GC58EHYylpZM7Qtqt-CfHCF-p...
ty
been playing sub while questing and stuff but time to learn more than the first 20 seconds of combat
swift tinsel
The first 25 are arguably the most important lol
mint swift
St is kinda ass with it no?
Yep
VERY ass
like
Holy shit you canno't do that much levels of bottom
And i was still top dps in the first 2 bosses
PLEASE ignore how those 2 are 100% ad fights
swift tinsel
Also, I pulled all of the snd logic out of the apl for fun and it only simmed .004% worse so you can jump into cool downs in the opener even faster if you ever need to
cunning turret
i've officers asking about uploading for wowaudit. should i wait a while for APL to update or should it be okay sending it now?
swift tinsel
That’s a fuu/Eleem question, I’m still just tinkering for fun lol
hazy breach
i've officers asking about uploading for wowaudit. should i wait a while for APL...
So you can send the wowaudit
cunning turret
Brilliant, thanks!
small juniper
np
haughty mural
Holy shit you canno't do that much levels of bottom
I like that we don’t loose st 
mint swift
I mean I’m playing BM and assa
BM became easier because we lost 2 buttons and gained one
And by gained one
haughty mural
mint swift
I mean that button is LITERALLY the lowest possible point in prio list
haughty mural
Ye true
fallow nimbus
What button was it?
fallow nimbus
And what's gone?
mint swift
I guess cobra shot with no boar stacks is lower?
mint swift
And what's gone?
Dire beast and kill shot / dark arrow
We still have kill shot talented but that’s cause you can’t un talent it
And in ST idk if you even run ES
So ST
All of the buttons we use are:
cobra shot
Barbed shot
Kill command
Beastial wrath
Call of the wild
I think that’s all the buttons you’d use as BM in a patchwork fight
haughty mural
And you can move freely while doing so
mint swift
Yep
And it’s not punishing at all unless you drop frenzy stacks
Which is like impossible w the 4set
Which btw is a like 28% dps increase
haughty mural
Damn almost pre nerf sub numbers
haughty mural
You can track your sht stacks
edgy zenith
"Shadowcraft refund sound trigger" could help
and you can also track shadow techniques
if you have 7 or more in Symbols, it's gonna refund
bleak night
ok
my ping is kinda shit so just reacting to it doesnt work very well
but the sound might help
and i'll track shadow techniques
swift tinsel
I use colored circles around my cp so if I see yellow I know I’m getting a reset
haughty mural
That sounds cool
flint parrot
!fuu
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bleak night
yeah LE's wa has it tracked next to the cps nicely, i just need to get used to it
tacit aspen
does find weakness not impact our BP target count at all? i remember on lauinch of 11.0.5 this being a topic where people disagreed on. the wowhead rotation just says 'bp 7+ targets', so my current assumption is FW doesnt influence rotation at all
hazy breach
On 7 or more targets you would storm once during dance with rotten up to make sure everything has fw
flint parrot
so we still play rotten and no finality
hazy breach
Yes
strange solar
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
hollow coyote
!WA
acoustic lodge
See, it says to macro dance and symbols
hazy breach
acoustic lodge
Eleem, you told me previously to not macro SoD and dance
bleak night
that command very clearly says not to macro dance and symbols
bleak night
proven plover
wise pilot
how much target is required to black powder when playing trickster
valid flame
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jaunty umbra
sub op nerf pls
mint swift
Ret pally
bleak night
finally
mint swift
Right where it deserves
proven plover
sub op nerf pls
Pls no
slate marlin
sub op nerf pls
whats this from¿
mint swift
I find it funny that Aug does more dps than most classes
dense mountain
I use colored circles around my cp so if I see yellow I know I’m getting a reset
that sounds nice was that hard to implement?
night sparrow
!wa
karmic verge
!fuu
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night sparrow
Do you guys use Cold Blood for anything but Secret tech ?
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
night sparrow
Alright I see, thx. I'm totally new to sub, all those lil details are a kinda overhelming ngl
proven plover
Hug the dummy for a couple hours and you will be fine
shell willow
!bugs
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night sparrow
Yeah that's what I'm planning this week before S2 starts; always been sin OTP
shy orbit
is shuriken storm more effective than backstab at 2+ targets?
hazy breach
Yes
sick plank
Tried doing a search for this but haven't found an answer yet.
On action bar 2 (so one that doesn't change based on whether I'm stealthed) I have a keybind for Shadowstrike.
I can hit this in stealth as expected but then as many times as I want out of stealth as well. My details log shows many casts of the ability (not attributed to Backstab).
If I put the same keybind on action bar 1 (the one that changes based on whether I'm stealthed), as soon as I use Shadowstrike the first time in stealth it then changes to Backstab as expected.
I don't have Subterfuge talented. Not sure what's going on but clearly I'm missing something. This is my literal first day ever checking out sub so I apologize if this is silly.
night sparrow
Even if you're playing without find weakness on Shuriken storm? Do you backstab to apply it ?
hazy breach
Even if you're playing without find weakness *on Shuriken storm*? Do you backsta...
Shuriken storm also applies it
shy orbit
Tried doing a search for this but haven't found an answer yet.
On action bar 2 ...
what about in shadow dance?
patent crystal
!fuu
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sick plank
what about in shadow dance?
I was not pressing shadow dance in that example
shy orbit
then it is normal, you dont have subturfuge
rough sigil
Tried doing a search for this but haven't found an answer yet.
On action bar 2 ...
action bar 1 changes based on whether you are in stealth or not. Its been so long since I set up my bars so I can't remember if using Shadow Dance changes action bar 1 to the stealth bar. That might the issue.
molten citrus
It does change it
sick plank
the tooltip says it requires stealth though and i'm neither stealthed nor in shadow dance
shy orbit
if you were in shadowdance it would be shadowstrike
if you were in stealth, it would also be shadowstrike
night sparrow
Is Subterfuge played ? I'm new to sub and every talent tree Ive seen so far do not use it
shy orbit
i just tested it, if you are not able to use stealth abilities it would revert to backstab
hazy breach
Is Subterfuge played ? I'm new to sub and every talent tree Ive seen so far do n...
No, its absolutely awful
night sparrow
Alright, one less thing to worry about while learning sub haha
shy orbit
thats a good idea though, valhalaar.
sick plank
i feel like i either didn't explain it well enough or i'm still missing something
hopefully this clears up what i was explaining
shy orbit
can i do that though without a consequence?
molten citrus
i feel like i either didn't explain it well enough or i'm still missing somethin...
Yep looks like a bug
sick plank
shy orbit
the fuck!
molten citrus
Try relogging
shy orbit
you just discovered a bug
slate lantern
I hate when bars change due to stealth, keep them the same always
shy orbit
If I put the same keybind on action bar 1 (the one that changes based on whether I'm stealthed), as soon as I use Shadowstrike the first time in stealth it then changes to Backstab as expected.
can i do this without consequence btw?
can i just use 1 key for both builders
night sparrow
It's useful for backstab/shadowstrike on the same button. Tho it's doable with a macro I guess ?
sick plank
```If I put the same keybind on action bar 1 (the one that changes based on whet...
this is how it's supposed to work from what i've been reading
and that IS how my action bar 1 works
but when it's on another bar it is infinitely usable (for me at least, at the moment)
night sparrow
wdym Backstab does not get replaced with Shadowstrike when stealth/dancing ?
proven plover
this is how it's supposed to work from what i've been reading
Is that a macro for ss youre using or is that just the spell on your second bar
molten citrus
Where backstab is
sick plank
Is that a macro for ss youre using or is that just the spell on your second bar
i have zero macros
all just the abilities themselves
kindred saffron
Lmao
night sparrow
That's exactly what I was saying lol but thx
sick plank
i feel like i either didn't explain it well enough or i'm still missing somethin...
i'm not crazy i swear
molten citrus
That's exactly what I was saying lol but thx
But you don’t need a macro 
kindred saffron
How can you macro 2 things that are on the gcd together
night sparrow
yup yup
kindred saffron
Hahahaha
proven plover
i'm not crazy i swear
I believe you Im just shocked
molten citrus
How can you macro 2 things that are on the gcd together
You can condition stealth/non stealth
nocturne scroll
any1 has a target count tracker weak aura I'm dumb and cant find one
molten citrus
It just isn’t necessary
kindred saffron
But why not just have it on the stealth bar
night sparrow
Same keybind on bar 1 seem way less complicated yup
molten citrus
Same keybind on bar 1 seem way less complicated yup
It’s the opposite
cerulean vapor
any1 has a target count tracker weak aura I'm dumb and cant find one
you could just use the AE tracker for arcane and repurpose it? 😄
molten citrus
But why not just have it on the stealth bar
My point exactly yes
rancid axle
guys do we know best raid spec for 11.1? or still no sims
ebon oyster
how big of dps diff are we talking if you press cb on cd vs like its recommended in the command?
!cb
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
molten citrus
how big of dps diff are we talking if you press cb on cd vs like its recommended...
.6%
molten citrus
guys do we know best raid spec for 11.1? or still no sims
Sims aren’t meant for picking a spec
rancid axle
I mean, I have to play the best spec for my guild progress so.. I'd like to know which one is the best for raid (or st) if we have info about that
molten citrus
I mean, I have to play the best spec for my guild progress so.. I'd like to know...
That isn’t what sims are used to decide
A spec simming higher does not mean it will do more damage in raid
kindred saffron
My point exactly yes
kindred saffron
Sub feels most rewarding
night sparrow
It’s the opposite
I might be dumb sorry lol. At the end do you put backstab and shadowstrike on the same keybind on bar 1, respectively no stealth and stealth bar ? Your "that's the opposite" confused me
rancid axle
I see, and do we have any info about specs from raid tests or these were long time ago?
kindred saffron
I might be dumb sorry lol. At the end do you put backstab and shadowstrike on th...
Just have them on same keybind but one being stealth and non stealthed
molten citrus
Unless you are WR20 the best spec right now won’t matter
rancid axle
aight, thanks
night sparrow
Just have them on same keybind but one being stealth and non stealthed
Alright that's what I did ty
short radish
yeah damage doesnt matter, being alive doing mechanics matters
jaunty heath
!fuu
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molten citrus
I might be dumb sorry lol. At the end do you put backstab and shadowstrike on th...
Yes exactly 
proven plover
I see, and do we have any info about specs from raid tests or these were long ti...
Play what you like and reroll Fotm after the first couple rounds of balancing if you wish to play the "strongest" spec
molten citrus
The rest of your stealth bar can be exactly the same as your non stealth bar
night sparrow
Alright gotcha thx ❤️
molten citrus
Just having backstab swap to strike
night sparrow
I'm trying to learn sub after countless hours playing sin. I have the feeling that I'm doing that for nothing and will end playing sin S2 anyway 
unless there's like 20% dps diff on certain boss encounters
short radish
I'm trying to learn sub after countless hours playing sin. I have the feeling th...
play what you find fun. sub and sin will likely be in a very similar spot as per usual
night sparrow
I know ~everything about sin so kinda bored to play it, but sub seems kinda overhelming when you never touched it although it seems pretty fun
hazy breach
The burst windows are fairly scripted, so once you get used to them the main thing you need to worry about is the timing of them
hazy breach
how big of dps diff are we talking if you press cb on cd vs like its recommended...
1.2%
And thats assuming you never use it outside of blades
hazy breach
(which you can do, but you need to use it pretty much immediately when it gets of cd otherwise you need to delay flag, which is not good)
hazy breach
oh did it grow?
Ye because tier buffs sectech
mb
short radish
I know ~everything about sin so kinda bored to play it, but sub seems kinda over...
check the new guide that fuu put up
explains the opener really well
!guide
hazy breach
I heard the icy veins one is alright too 
cedar eagle
why is my evis glowing 24/7
i have been in and out of combat for over an hour and it wont stop glowing
molten citrus
i have been in and out of combat for over an hour and it wont stop glowing
relog
void walrus
inb4 we get nerfed because of pre-patch numbers
Usually nobody cares about prepatch numbers. Tuning is based on next content so just enjoy
drifting fable
inb4 we get nerfed because of pre-patch numbers
probably will
small juniper
inb4 we get nerfed because of pre-patch numbers
show 95th or 99th percentile pls
rugged condor
they shouldnt nerf for prepatch numbers
but blizzard did nerf warrior week 1 of 11.0
so
we'll see xd
molten citrus
Any bugfix on ptr?
Nope just more of them
Mostly Coup lag bug that we’ve seen for a while
swift tinsel
that sounds nice was that hard to implement?
Nah it was super easy, you just use some of the built in circle textures and set the trigger to be the specific shadow tech stack
hexed dagger
this lag is unreal
jaunty umbra
nah it's real
bleak night
rain swallow
i feel like i either didn't explain it well enough or i'm still missing somethin...
whats the weakaura showing ur stealthed at the top?
rancid axle
!wa
plain quest
!sheet
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willow fox
!sims
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
plush roost
is RS fixed on live now?
slate lantern
ya
plush roost
lets goooo
dusky ingot
!fuu
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shy orbit
this is how it's supposed to work from what i've been reading
for me on another bar its not infinitely usable btw
swift tinsel
What’s this new/old bug people are talking about?
brisk onyx
wdym
austere spindle
Is it advised to macro Fireworks Hat with Transmitter to get some firework for the jumping quest?
sweet hawk
sorry if this is a dumb question but im just getting back into rogue this patch, does the supercharged combo point work the same as shadowlands where i have to land on it, or does it work if i just use full combo points
uneven scarab
sorry if this is a dumb question but im just getting back into rogue this patch,...
Your next 1-2 finishers after using symbols will count as having bonus cp from supercharger
idle aurora
so are we not using killing spree?
i thought everyone was freaking out we were using it but i see it in no builds
bleak night
it might be hard to use killing spree as this spec
slate lantern
i thought everyone was freaking out we were using it but i see it in no builds
this is purples
swift tinsel
Maybe we should steal killing spree from the pirates too
velvet linden
Who does the sims?
slate lantern
!fuu
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velvet linden
Ty
rancid axle
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
double focusing lens?
Yes
But embellishments are very weak overall and dont matter much at all
rancid axle
is shadowdance + symbols of death macro so troll?
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
fickle mason
!guide
solemn creek
wait, arent we suppose to get 1 item from the 1st 2 pinnacle chest?
got no item on my 2nd chest XD and it was a pinnacle one
dawn hinge
some of my chars only got one as well
velvet linden
Whats the chances of getting a vers/crit Roulette ring from the one armed bandit
bleak night
some of my chars only got one as well
some of your characters got 1 and some got 2?
velvet linden
Cuz I cooked a higher sim
tribal blade
rank 1 silken court parse means something this week right
surely it's not clown fiesta
swift tinsel
haptics are you the one who is capped on all the stones and crests already
Got 105 weathered and 30 carved
And got like 1200 valorstones from raid and other stuff
slate lantern
oh i thought one of you teal bois had like 100+ in both but maybe im trippin
swift tinsel
Haven’t done any pinnacle chests yet, just got home from work
bleak night
definitely possible to get 100 in both
swift tinsel
Ye
bleak night
most of mine are just from weekly chests
and i think lvl 6-7 delves should be giving carved
but i havent done it myself
swift tinsel
I don’t think so, I did an 8 and didn’t get any
Just valorstones and a 603 or 608 champ piece
bleak night
the carved crests specifically say 6-7
swift tinsel
Idr what ilvl
bleak night
is why i think people arent getting them on 8
bleak night
havent tested it myself yet though, will try in a bit
swift tinsel
Is it just pinnacle chests from undermine that can give 645 gear or any
solemn creek
Is it just pinnacle chests from undermine that can give 645 gear or any
so far thats the only one that gave me item
the 3 delve pinnacle gave me nothing, same for other guildie
bleak night
i also only got gear from the undermine weekly
swift tinsel
Ah I figured all the regular zone events are still s1 coded
And I don’t think you can leave them and open next week
I can’t remember if they made them loot-locked when you get them or open them
runic sinew
definitely possible to get 100 in both
how?
swift tinsel
And loot fiesta next week
I wanted to do that and get a bunch of bountiful keys but not doable
solemn creek
scratch that, its random
friend of mine just got his 2nd veteran item
from the 3 delve weekly
bleak night
so did i just get scammed or something
i hate blizzard
also a 6 did not give crests, so i think the only source of carved crests is weeklies
rain swallow
Can someone explain to me why at step 13. you spam shadowstrike into black powder and not shuriken storm into black powder?
hazy breach
Nimble flurry
Strike does significantly more damage than shuriken storm, and procs unseen blades for coup
rancid axle
guys I have a question, I'm practicing the st rotation and sometimes my cp are refounded back, why is that? I was reading talents and didn't see anything
hazy breach
guys I have a question, I'm practicing the st rotation and sometimes my cp are r...
Shadowcraft, talent
rain swallow
ahh oke makes sense thanks!!
my weakaura makes a noice when the cp are refunded very nice
rancid axle
Shadowcraft, talent
Oooh, okay I didn't know that prios the shadowcraft cp first
tribal blade
if your shadowcraft CPs are at 7 or higher you'll get a refund
rancid axle
ok but then if we use SoD prepull we don't use shadowstrike after vanish no?
on opener I mean
hazy breach
What
fervent spoke
Anyone know if Ptr keys still live, or did they take them down this time
rancid axle
I mean, this is on wowhead, we use symbols of death on prepull no?
hazy breach
Ye like 30+ seconds before
All the prepull does is to make you have 2 superchargers on pull, its not a big deal
rancid axle
oh, just for the superchargers
okok I get it now, I was doing the opener using SoD on prepull and I was like wtf, why would I use SS there if I'm already 5cp
hazy breach
But it wouldnt matter much either way
rancid axle
7*
swift tinsel
vet track haste/mastery legs, barf
bleak night
mine was shoulders i cant use bc tier
good times
its not like i desperately need gear bc i didnt play at all s1 or anything mr john blizzard
swift tinsel
gonna save for emergency catalyst
brisk onyx
!fuu
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granite river
Anyone know if Ptr keys still live, or did they take them down this time
Ptr died
crystal blaze
if i absolutely had to run vigor (or at least with 1 point of it) what talents would be safe to drop
swift tinsel
if i absolutely had to run vigor (or at least with 1 point of it) what talents w...
depends on what else you're talented into
hazy breach
if i absolutely had to run vigor (or at least with 1 point of it) what talents w...
Cold blood
Although its absolutely not recommended
swift tinsel
I thought you were memeing for a second
hazy breach
Vigor + 2 lethality does sim better than tea
crystal blaze
i hate feeling energy starved
hazy breach
Ye vigor aint gonna do shit for that
solemn creek
and didnt get a 2nd one
hazy breach
!design
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
tepid trellis
if it aint your thing, then yeah
crystal blaze
i like most everything else about it
hazy breach
The backstabs practically do the same damage as auto attacks anyway
edgy zenith
you are quite literally afk for 30s every 90s
alpine fossil
!wa
teal aurora
!bugs
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random hare
@tepid trellis yo cuh
Do we know how many seconds of finishers does first dance give? combat vs being in combat finishing for cdr?
Like how big is the value of first dance? Should be bigger than being in combat proportionate to being out of combat 
Or?
tepid trellis
1x finisher at 7 cp is 3.5sec cdr
but almost all of your dmg is in dance
so its not that simple
sick plank
whats the weakaura showing ur stealthed at the top?
it's just a custom one checking for the spell id; i haven't published it but i could give you the import string if you want
random hare
So vanishing to leave combat while mob is 5% hp I have nothing to press
To get first dance on the next chain pull
Worth?
tepid trellis
potentially could be
random hare
Ok ok cuz that’s what I do
It’s mandatory sometimes
But sometimes it feels “ok”
Depends on how aggressively I used my dances
Idk what else to minmax now
I might be in the phase where I optimize my rotation well only
granite river
damn thats def worth tbh
random hare
Ofcourse
granite river
even if was technically less dam, dam on 4% end of mob pull doesnt matter. more dance dam on next pull
granite river
for first dance into boss you mean ?
random hare
Why am I sharing what I do in keys I need ppl to suck so I can gap ppl
random hare
for first dance into boss you mean ?
Yea
granite river
yeah fs
random hare
What’s fs
granite river
for sure
granite river
Why am I sharing what I do in keys I need ppl to suck so I can gap ppl
and bro we not going to be in same key, no one taking double sub
even tho you did play with my tank friend on ptr a bit