subtlety

[hazy breach]

House of cards is better when its like 15-20 ilvls higher

[shrewd lantern]

Wait is the delve loot pool the same in s2

[upper narwhal]

Transmitter has a minigame attached so it should be better at same ilvl

[leaden prairie]

ye and thats an issue idk

[leaden prairie]

ok well

[alpine wraith]

there are some extra items

[naive zodiac]

i simmed my ptr guy and 639 transmitter = 665 house of cards

[alpine wraith]

but many of the good loot is same

[naive zodiac]

roughly

[leaden prairie]

transmitter minigame can go suck my coacka

[shrewd lantern]

But we back to fishing for knife

[alpine wraith]

correct 639 transmitter is around max hc house of cards

[upper narwhal]

exactly, which is why it has to be overstatted to compensate

[alpine wraith]

so likely we pass that one up to other people

[leaden prairie]

hell no lol

should be the oposite

[delicate steeple]

so the whole spamming rupture thing at 25s before cds come up is just for the new tier right, shouldnt be any gameplay changes before we get it?

[hazy breach]

Before the tier set nerf it was better than max ilvl house of cards too

[alpine wraith]

you and me about to get the kiss of death first vault

[leaden prairie]

if the item is cancer you make it shit

not good

[alpine wraith]

and all the other loot sucks

[gleaming imp]

Nerf transmitter to the ground, Garbo concept of a trinket

[hazy breach]

Not a thing since they nerfed tier

[rugged condor]

....LMFAO

[upper narwhal]

if a trinket has conditional usage it should be better when used correctly, that's game design 101

[bleak night]

maybe we just shouldnt make trinkets with shit ass minigames

[shrewd lantern]

I don't even know what spec im playing

i have read 0 about the patch

[hazy breach]

But ye theyll nerf transmitter

[leaden prairie]

no i disagree

you make a meme trinket

keep it for meme content

make it shit

[hazy breach]

Because they need to nerf spymaster again anyway

[leaden prairie]

and have open worlders use it

[dusty totem]

true

[leaden prairie]

they happy

[shrewd lantern]

Is this a real sub season

[leaden prairie]

they do their minigame

funny trinket haha

[upper narwhal]

im not saying I like the minigame I'm saying it's correct design, otherwise it's pointless making the trinket at all

[leaden prairie]

let me use normal shit

[shrewd lantern]

i assume so since this chat has activity

[vestal escarp]

no

[valid turtle]

Anyone keep getting disconnected from servers 😦

[leaden prairie]

brother half the trinkets in this game are pointless

wdym

[vestal escarp]

yeah why is here so spammed

sin still busted

[upper narwhal]

Sub is looking like the best rogue spec so the fotm swappers are here

[vestal escarp]

bleed build

[leaden prairie]

yes me

[void walrus]

Sub Hype bois

[vestal escarp]

Arterial precision

[leaden prairie]

im fotm swapper

hi

[west tide]

im here

[dusty totem]

nahh sin is cooked

[west tide]

me too im fotm

[leaden prairie]

hi omar

isnt omar the fish things

you eat

[hazy breach]

Couldnt be me

[leaden prairie]

i never ate an omar i think

[west tide]

i can play rogue for 10 years + but whenever i play a spec that i didnt play last tier im fotm

[leaden prairie]

homar

homer

thats the yellow dude

[west tide]

thats the simpson

[dusty totem]

real shi

[gleaming imp]

Last time I touched sub was beck in SL

[leaden prairie]

guys

when i wake up toimorrow

i want pictures of your cars

[vestal escarp]

no

[shrewd lantern]

I mean SL wasn't even much of a sin expansion

until s3

[gleaming imp]

But hey nothing much changed since SL

Flag is still a thing

[shrewd lantern]

and you still played sub on the actual bosses

[lucid jackal]

OMG

COUP HAS A SOUND EFFECT

GUys

[tranquil garden]

trinkets are too boring so we made you solve a captcha with our next active trinkets

[lucid jackal]

ARE WE BACK?

[vestal escarp]

yikes

clip?

[leaden prairie]

Guy wrong chat

Wtf you doing here

[hazy breach]

It had before, but only if you did the charge

[upper narwhal]

Hero talents have SOUNDS? We're spoiled

[swift tinsel]

Undercoins and keys didn't reset so no farm

[alpine wraith]

yea you flail your arms a bit

[hazy breach]

But maybe its a new sound

Idk

[shrewd lantern]

Idk

[vestal escarp]

@hazy breach gatekeep more pls

[shrewd lantern]

i made the mistake of playing shaman hero talents last month

Then I come back to rogue "hero" trees

[leaden prairie]

I swear that sound was always here

It didn't hit me on ptr idk

[lucid jackal]

AND They fixed rupture bug

Guys

we are so back

[gleaming imp]

My car is a blacked out stage 2 tuned golf mk7

[shrewd lantern]

Meanwhile fatebound players

[leaden prairie]

Guy just woke up or what

[swift tinsel]

did anyone log sub keys as trickster on ptr

[shrewd lantern]

have a chance for your capstone to never proc

[hazy breach]

Guy is agressively positive in a way these doomer lookin ahh andies cant handle

[vestal escarp]

you fate wast good enough

[west tide]

guys when it says sod before pull how long before does it mean guys

[shrewd lantern]

I have no clue what spec im playing this ssn ngl

[lucid jackal]

Sub is fun and also the best spec

[shrewd lantern]

prob not outlaw since devs have a hateboner for it

[lucid jackal]

Literally what can you even complain about

[vestal escarp]

sounds like cope

[rugged condor]

no outlaw this tier?

[leaden prairie]

Sod is 30 s cd

[gleaming imp]

All rogue specs are cooked, the fotm really doesn’t know

[alpine wraith]

there are 2 lvls of sod before pull

1 is just to get supercharger

other is to also get rotten

[leaden prairie]

Supercharger is infinite btw so

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah idk from what i saw of patch notes

[leaden prairie]

Can press after a wipe

[alpine wraith]

one is whatever you respawn

[dusty totem]

What was the rupture bug?

[hazy breach]

25s 🤓

[shrewd lantern]

rogue is looking kind of mid this season.

anyway

[hazy breach]

Because we spec reduced symbols cd

[leaden prairie]

Nvm

[alpine wraith]

the other one is when there are around 20-17 secs on pull timer

[west tide]

sickkk ty

[alpine wraith]

to also get 2 free strikes crits

[vestal escarp]

too bad target on pull is not fazed

[leaden prairie]

Well you get wiped to 2 supercharger on pull so if you are gonna do that

[gleaming imp]

It’s okay, if rogues a scuffed, we can get a little bit of rogue vibe if we play feral

[leaden prairie]

Is that real btw

[tranquil garden]

next season's overpowered trinket will require you to solve one of those delve puzzles when you use it

[alpine wraith]

yea always worked

[swift crest]

cantr login

[leaden prairie]

It's a gain with a 15 s timer I mean or

[swift crest]

iv been banned or sumit

[leaden prairie]

Not for supercharger, I mean the other thing

[alpine wraith]

15 secs too close

[hazy breach]

You dont lose the rotten buff on pull no

[leaden prairie]

Well doesn't exist then

[alpine wraith]

has to be 20 to 17 or so

[hazy breach]

So you can sod at 25s before pull and have it up

But like

it doesnt really matter

[leaden prairie]

Ok it's not real

[alpine wraith]

2 crit strikes on a whole fight is whatever

we still do 20 secs pulls

god bless america

[leaden prairie]

We don't

No one does that

[alpine wraith]

weak

[leaden prairie]

[alpine wraith]

need worse people so they need more time

[leaden prairie]

I remember when outlaw needed 30 s pull timer on god

[vestal escarp]

dummy at bosses

[alpine wraith]

aff needed 33 secs once upon a time

[vestal escarp]

logs invalidated

[alpine wraith]

or was it 23

[dusty totem]

25sec pull timer was golden days

[west tide]

i just asked my guild rn what abour 17 sec pull timers and they almost killed me

we doin 12 secs guys

gg for me

[short radish]

someone post the cursed shadowlands tech where you needed to swap talents and gear set

[alpine wraith]

i mean think you can live without 2 crit strikes

[shrewd lantern]

ahh

[west tide]

its over for me man

[short radish]

parse = ruined

[west tide]

so i just do the respawn sod in that case and im good ?

[short radish]

[alpine wraith]

and also hero for theotar tech

[shrewd lantern]

the vanish prepull of SLs2

[west tide]

thats kinda comfy though

we up

[hazy breach]

yep

[alpine wraith]

yea just respawn sod

[shrewd lantern]

deathly shadows prepull

Stuck with 190 legendary because someone pulled early

[alpine wraith]

that is why you crafted it to max anyway

[west tide]

bro i remember doing 5 macros and using talent changer items

[alpine wraith]

just in case

[west tide]

to swap talents like 4 times prepull

[shrewd lantern]

Can we talk about

why tf 9/10 times

it was a boomkin

pulling early

[short radish]

gotta cast wrath at 4 seconds pull timer exactly 40 yards away

[shrewd lantern]

Genuine question

How much dps do you even lose

not precasting wrath

[upper narwhal]

Boomkins love pulling early cuz of the slow ass travel time on wrath and the slower brains of boomkin players

[short radish]

and based on the air velocity of an unladen swallow

[shrewd lantern]

We need to bring back bosses like fyrak.

That instant kill ranged who pull early

[short radish]

💯

[delicate steeple]

okay thanks

[small juniper]

np

[worn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-minecraft-gif-5754025236392587692

[swift tinsel]

Just logged a dungeon quick and it looks like party anti-parry still exists, gonna do a bit more investigating

[hazy breach]

Dungeons doesnt have parry either way

[swift tinsel]

I thought that was just for tanks

[alpine wraith]

mob needs to be skull to parry

dungeon mobs are just +3

[hazy breach]

No

[west tide]

guy sis shadow dance on the gcd it feels weird...

[hazy breach]

Dungeons just dont parry

Its only raid bosses

[swift tinsel]

to lfr we go

[west tide]

im pressin shadowdance and its not striking bro i think i got a doodoo macro

[alpine wraith]

some still do but not recently

[swift tinsel]

ah I thought it was still any mob can parry as long as you attack from the front

[alpine wraith]

so now just raid bosses

since they took expertise off

they made some changes

specially to not fuck over tanks

imagine you charge and first shield slam gets parried no fury gg

no re

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I knew they took it away from tanks a while ago but didn't know dungeons in general just don't

[sullen hare]

Sounds like it.

[alpine wraith]

they broke that macro years ago

it just does not work reliably

[lilac stag]

Many moons ago

[alpine wraith]

some people say it works

[lilac stag]

macro nothing

[alpine wraith]

but not me

[lilac stag]

They lie

[fallow nimbus]

It works if pressed 2 times

[west tide]

ok ok no macro

[alpine wraith]

even if you spam it uses it way to late for comfort

[west tide]

i was usin this

[alpine wraith]

i dont want to strike 0,6 secs into dance

what am i a 70 year old

[swift tinsel]

life comes at ya fast

I turn fuckin 35 next week

[fallow nimbus]

That macro is even worse

[swift tinsel]

basically dead

[fallow nimbus]

Can cast bs sometimes i think

[vagrant fulcrum]

just have dance bind on same position as shadowstrike on stealth bar

[west tide]

ok i removed the macro and put backstab and shadowstrike on the same button when i stealth..

[tepid trellis]

see you back when you backstab during dance o7

[west tide]

FUCK

[tepid trellis]

dont rely on bar swapping

[rugged condor]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[tepid trellis]

it sometimes has stance delay

[sly shore]

now I track tier buff are you happy

[tepid trellis]

which will fuck you over

[swift tinsel]

"That ability requires Stealth"

[sly shore]

stupid ass dog shit fucking tier

[swift tinsel]

[west tide]

i ussed to always do it like that before on sub maybe the change fucked it now

i gotta find a new button 😦

[tepid trellis]

stance macros

was always fucked

[alpine wraith]

i will make a wa that insults you when you use a finisher outside dance at 8 stacks of win streak

[swift tinsel]

cata arms warrior

[alpine wraith]

just because

[swift tinsel]

where every bind is a stance macro

[west tide]

ok what if i dont use the macro but keep the buttons in the same spot

bstab and sstrike

[tepid trellis]

same issue

its a stance swap

[west tide]

i see ok ok

[small juniper]

just have shadowstrike on normal bars

not hard

[tepid trellis]

yup

[fallow nimbus]

You need to have your own key

[tranquil garden]

You can do what I do too. Use that stance macro, but have a designated button you use when popping off

Sure, would be nice if the stance macro worked 100% of the time though

[west tide]

i need to find a comfy button t press now lemme go in the lab

i have a free button in stealth now too..

[fallow nimbus]

/cast dance /cast strike works if you just spam that button a tiny bit

Like nobody here perfectly uses dance when gcd is over, it's always a tiny bit before that and that is enough for the bar/stance switch to register the strike in dance macro

[small juniper]

u get 7 globals in dance anyway

doesnt matter that much

no need to over complicate

[fallow nimbus]

It's 8

[proper river]

im ready

[small juniper]

8 right

[fallow nimbus]

Bs/strike macro fails pretty much when you dance and hit that macro too fast like dance on mouse and macro on 2

[small juniper]

https://gyazo.com/54f0b6a32abfe38fb3e03a3c30f7386b

[fallow nimbus]

I hit bs with the middle finger because fuck backstab

[small juniper]

easy fix

[tepid trellis]

nah they need to be swapped around

[fallow nimbus]

You clicked dance, didn't you?

[small juniper]

nah just went stealth

[fallow nimbus]

Bs on 2 to give it the 🖕

[small juniper]

stealthi presses 2 with his index finger

[tepid trellis]

middlefinger and sometimes ringfinger

to be exact

[pure dust]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[pure dust]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[pure dust]

anyone have a good enemy count and combat timer wa?

[swift tinsel]

https://wago.io/RWC7kktc5/1

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ/16

[edgy zenith]

think SnD coup bug is fixed

Coup applies SnD

[swift tinsel]

it is

[edgy zenith]

nice

[swift tinsel]

applies and extends

[west tide]

i dont have enough fingers omg guys

playin piano

[swift tinsel]

skill issue, get more fingies

[lilac stag]

Foot pedals

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-almighty7-jim-carrey-laugh-smile-gif-16122443

[placid tendon]

let me introduce you to a macro

[west tide]

true i would use a foot pedal for this

everyone is so anti macro ...

[swift tinsel]

for a reason

[lilac stag]

because nothing lines up at points.

[placid tendon]

tbf the transmitter isnt actually pressed there

[swift tinsel]

and you'd need as many or more macros than just natty binds

[placid tendon]

you just complete the tas

k

[west tide]

i see so u complete the task at that point we up ok one less finger required

[lilac stag]

weakness macros it to flag. Chad had a bind for it.

[tranquil garden]

feel free to macro that shit together for that button press though

[tepid trellis]

you complete the task when you fire sectech

[tranquil garden]

just only use the macro at burst time

[pure dust]

thanks so much

[swift tinsel]

haven't been in lfr in so long I forgot queues are like 30mins

[hybrid prism]

is it a huge loss to keep gloomblade over replicating shadows?

[tepid trellis]

0.4% or so

[hybrid prism]

for ds

[tepid trellis]

ds plays gloomblade no?

[swift tinsel]

I see some builds with and without

[tepid trellis]

soonTM DS is dead af tho

[hybrid prism]

not anymore according to wowhead

[tepid trellis]

god bless

[swift tinsel]

I always thought it was locked in for st ds

[hybrid prism]

how much better is trickster? I wanna stay ds :((((

[lilac stag]

play whatever you want

[tepid trellis]

3-4% last i checked, could be a bit smaller now

[swift tinsel]

they're almost equal with current gear in 11.1, was like .7% in favor of trickster

[proper river]

I played in right

[swift tinsel]

but higher ilvl trickster pulls further ahead

hell yeah we did it chat

capped

[west tide]

guys u cant upgrade anything from this vault lol

imagine someone who gets a mythic transmitter but its stuck

[boreal finch]

are heroics and m0 out yet?

[swift tinsel]

nope

[boreal finch]

and can we do delves all the way up to 8+?

[pure dust]

dont think so

not much to do this week lol

[boreal finch]

so im basically stuck at whatever ilvl i am now?

can't even upgrade old loot

[pure dust]

yeah

[swift tinsel]

delves are still s1 level-wise

[boreal finch]

feelsbadman🙃

[novel plaza]

has rotations changed?

[swift tinsel]

not really

[fallen crescent]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tidal beacon]

Where can I find the DS sim for comparison?

[tepid trellis]

by simming it yourself, there aint one in the sheet atm

[slate lantern]

All the homes HATE ds

[swift crest]

anyone elses bartender not working

[slate lantern]

Yes disable

[swift crest]

is there something better than bartender

need a guy who can update their shit on day 1

[slate lantern]

Stock blizzard bars

[restive venture]

Stock bars are literally the same as bartender with like 1-2 less things if I recall

[swift crest]

we go stock

[restive venture]

They good if you set em up

[swift crest]

actually they dont have profiles prob

[restive venture]

They do

[hazy breach]

They do

[swift crest]

for multi class stuff

oh

[restive venture]

Yeah bartender still being used kinda boggles my mind

[jaunty umbra]

can you hide them ?

[swift crest]

cant mouse over fade by the looks

but can hide

[teal hemlock]

Didn't play sub all first season. What applies "fazed"

Is it only Sectec?

[hazy breach]

Unseen blade

And sectech

[indigo steppe]

you can get BT to work btw

[swift crest]

ok how

[indigo steppe]

gotta click on versions and do this

i don't use backstab on action bar 1 so it fucks with my shit really bad because i don't think you can make a different one use stealth bar without BT

[dusty pagoda]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift crest]

oh

yea that works nice @indigo steppe

blizzs dont have mouse over unhide/fade so its inferior

[indigo steppe]

shoutout to whoever figured this out in the BT addon comments!

[tacit aspen]

why dont we want to macro cold bklood and sec tech

[tepid trellis]

you can but you need one sectech bind without it

so you can coldblood your 2nd sectech in cds and not the first

[tacit aspen]

oh that makes sense

[hazy breach]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[tacit aspen]

fucks sake

[swift crest]

this spec may require a raza naga

[lilac stag]

Nah

we don’t have that much to worry about bind wise

[west tide]

what the HECK now i cant bind sectech and cb omfg

[lilac stag]

nope

well you can and be suboptimal

[west tide]

does this mean the opener cb should be delayed to the 2nd sec tech as well?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[west tide]

cause currently on wowhead its used on the 1st

ok ok

[hexed dagger]

btw do all the updated rotational things for 11.1 apply before and after tier acquisition? or only after we get new 2/4 piece

[tepid trellis]

it always used on the 2nd one

[west tide]

gotcha ty

[lilac stag]

There is an advance section

[tepid trellis]

nah

or rather yes

they apply now

[hexed dagger]

tyty

[small juniper]

np

[west tide]

ok im readin it now

[lilac stag]

With as confusing as the spec is fuu went with a good for most everyone and an advanced for the hard core

[cedar eagle]

in the AOE opener why do we use BP after flag instead of just flagging before the final rupture?

[small juniper]

is it weird to think the spec has played the exact same for multiple expansions now

with minor tweaks ofc

[lilac stag]

and some how it gets more and more confusing for most players.

[solemn creek]

ooph, imagine getting transmitter today

cant even upgrade

Reee

[lilac stag]

I got the rare neck. Ready for assa arc next week. Hah

least thet was 639

[west tide]

we still do naked sod with supercharger ?

[tepid trellis]

you can

it doesent matter

[lilac stag]

Only if it won’t screw up timings for flag window

[tepid trellis]

sometimes yeh

[tepid trellis]

its great

[cedar eagle]

kk ty, other question maybe you can help is in that AOE opener the 2nd part how are we supposed to get Coupe De Grace by that point? Im doing it on dummies and i dont have enough stacks by doing that rotation

[tepid trellis]

its rng

[cedar eagle]

ohh okay so its not a verbatim rotation necesarrily

[tepid trellis]

yeh, you cant really control coup

[cedar eagle]

do you ever hold coupe or just send it (assuming target is fazed)

[tepid trellis]

send

[cedar eagle]

ty king

[west tide]

in the advanced section it says u can hold coup in order to fit it in ur sblades windows if its within 25 sec by using black powder in st!

hehe

im educating myself..

[tepid trellis]

thats old

shouldnt be a thing anymore

unless its being added back in @hazy breach ?

[west tide]

oh lorddd

ok ok ill wait 1 week before i read more

[hazy breach]

You can if you want, it doesnt matter

Sim doesnt do it by default

But its not a huge loss

Wouldnt recommend though

[west tide]

is it bigger than 0.2%..

u can lie to me

[hazy breach]

Its not a gain to hold it

[west tide]

oh wtf ok

easy!!

[teal night]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

CB is the biggest (or should be) gain of the advanced stuff

[rain swallow]

switching from outlaw to sub boys 🫡

[hazy breach]

Have fun

[lilac stag]

wish I had a dollar for every outlaw announcement.

[rain swallow]

got any recommendations for learning sub ?

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

Get to reading

[rain swallow]

tyty

See you guys soon in azeroth

[lilac stag]

Cheers

[jaunty heath]

We love having more parses

[small juniper]

gonna be fun to not get either r1 or a green log

been a while

[west tide]

i am here to get purples and oranges

[lilac stag]

I think most are gone as soon as assa gets a bit of tuning.

[west tide]

and maybe a blue

[small juniper]

oh god yeah

wait till they get a mechanic during cds

[bleak night]

is anyone else having coup just decide to never proc after the patch

i get 4 stacks, evis gets stuck glowing as if coup is supposed to be there, but it just never procs and im stuck at 4 stacks

[hazy breach]

Relogg

[jaunty heath]

Try alt f4

[lilac stag]

Reload

[jaunty heath]

Unironically

[bleak night]

yeah relogging fixes it

but it happens constantly

lmao

[hazy breach]

Its probably due to lag

[lilac stag]

are you spamming attacks?

[bleak night]

probably

undermine is not a fun place to be atm

[hazy breach]

Thats whats been causing it in the past

[lilac stag]

Bwahaha outlaw really is a budget fury warrior now. None of the CDs do anything.

[slate lantern]

Don't kick us while we're down

[hazy breach]

Youre always down though

Kick immunity

[tribal blade]

did anyone figure out the new proc rate on thousand cuts

[hazy breach]

Ye its just 4.5 rppm instead of 4

[swift tinsel]

slight increase indeed lol

[tribal blade]

ok i'm just convincing myself i can feel the difference

[jaunty heath]

I mean it’ll proc more than 10% more

Even if it’s 10% of nothing

[small juniper]

what embellish for new tier @hazy breach

[jaunty heath]

[tribal blade]

TRUE

i am not math person

[small juniper]

easier to ask

[hazy breach]

np

[twilit phoenix]

Which outlaw cds?

[small juniper]

what about for aoe

[twilit phoenix]

There’s literally no cds

[small juniper]

and what about 2 targets

[hazy breach]

Pretty much any of them, since they dont scale with ilvl its even less important than in s1

[twilit phoenix]

Ar is essentially a maintenance buff

[small juniper]

doesnt lens scale w ilvl

[hazy breach]

Barely, but yes

The stat ones dont though

[lilac stag]

Fury as well. Capstones? More like nopestones.

[twilit phoenix]

Lmao yeah it feels bad

[jaunty heath]

Scath what are you playing this tier

[lilac stag]

for the last 3 weeks. Haha

Ours went mia

[hazy breach]

Like weapongrip, lining, lens and ascension all seemed pretty much the same

So since 2x lens is like 0.2% ahead in ST just recommend to use that

But people will prob swap to grip and 1 lining or something late season m+ push if i had to guess

[lilac stag]

I’ll be back to rogue after Thursday.

[jaunty heath]

Sick

[tepid trellis]

time to full time wow again

my class just got left in the dust in lost ark

[lilac stag]

progged court at 622 ilvl arms. Feared for my life the entire time

[tepid trellis]

o7

was a good run

[lilac stag]

rip

[hazy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-login-loginwow-login-meme-gif-12215928468343350012

[swift tinsel]

this new zone is fucking imploding lol

the aesthetic is so cool tho

[teal prawn]

Welcome back

[hard trellis]

!talents

[bleak night]

yeah i kind of gave up on it for now lmao, its so fucked trying to do anything

the car is pretty fun though

[lucid jackal]

SUB IS SO BACK

TRICKSTER

HOLY CHILLS

FULL BODY CHILLS

[swift tinsel]

we never left

[lucid jackal]

ATTENTION: THERE IS A MAJOR CHILLS WARNING ON THE UPCOMING TIER. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

[swift tinsel]

cryptic

[fickle mason]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate lantern]

Guy is busting a nut

[swift tinsel]

same boat tho I'm hyped as fuck

[hazy breach]

If the chills persist perhaps try a hoodie or some hot chocolate to warm you up

And If they persist longer than 4 hours contact your doctor

[atomic girder]

does sub symbols on cd or oly w dance

[hazy breach]

Kinda neither

[lilac stag]

Would suggest reading an updated guide.

[hard trellis]

!talents

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[slate lantern]

!boogie

[tribal blade]

vibes in the new zone are immaculate

[swift tinsel]

tank brann gets fucking owned

jeez

[vagrant fulcrum]

@vale pine in the sims does signet of the priory count as having any extra people in the raid using it or is the sim just you alone using it / no one else has it

[jaunty heath]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

i heard brann's bugged right now

can't use any abilities but auto attack

[swift tinsel]

his abilities are working for me, he just gets trucked

every pull he ends up at like 15% hp lol

well, his offensive abilities at least

[tribal blade]

backstab might actually kinda be trucking a bit now

at least more than before

[kind bluff]

Are we just living in delves?

[swift tinsel]

they don't drop anything relevant

[kind bluff]

Ah

So just kill time?

[swift tinsel]

wanted to see how tank brann handles

[kind bluff]

Keys feel flimsy as hell just 3 chested the 12 practise key we wanted to run with a brand new healer.

[swift tinsel]

the adjusted the scaling

so I'm not surprised

[kind bluff]

14 felt like a 10

Ahhhhhh

That makes sense

[hard trellis]

my shadow blades is runnign out before my 2nd sectech with coldblood

[swift tinsel]

old vs new

[tribal blade]

am i high, is coup giving snd now

[hard trellis]

anyone have a weak aura for fazed like nightstalker mark

[sinful depot]

make a special buff in plater I reckon Ara, that's what imma do

[tranquil garden]

the wa pack I'm using (can't remember which since I'm on a different char) does it for your current target in your HUD

[lucid jackal]

@hazy breach If sectec is on blades now

do U blades in opener now

and dont wait to use it as a generator

[tribal blade]

you can use it the same way as before

right before clones hit

[lucid jackal]

SECTEC\

[tranquil garden]

yall have fast fingers or some shit. I'm just macroing it to secret technique

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't do that

[tranquil garden]

why not?

[swift tinsel]

bug is fixed

[hexed dagger]

can someone give me a quick tldr of target count rules with storm/bp

[tribal blade]

thought so, was hard to tell with the world lag

[tribal blade]

say you need to hold cds for something

[tranquil garden]

I got more than 1 key on my keyboard

[valid flame]

anything to do this week besides quest?

[tribal blade]

yeah but if you macro it to sectec

you can accidently use it when you don't want to

[tranquil garden]

I mean, I've got more than 1 key on my keyboard

one key is sectech with tech

one key is just sectech

[tribal blade]

what does sectec with tech mean

[tranquil garden]

means sectech with all the trimmings

like shadow blades

[tribal blade]

are you manually pressing CB

[tranquil garden]

no, got another macro for cb+sectech

[tribal blade]

3 sectec macros

jesus lol

[tranquil garden]

yeah one of those razer mice is kind of nice once I bought it

[tribal blade]

well no big deal if you have the room

[tranquil garden]

I've got an azeron cyborg I'm trying to start using too because of my left hand a11y issues

but I've found it lets me be more intentional about when I want to send stuff as a neat side effect

[tribal blade]

the big thing is the more i used macros as sub the more i just kept having to unlearn bad habits

because of rotational changes

so i'm just reducing all macro usage, only one i have now i think is sectec+cb

[tacit aspen]

do you have a non macro sectec too?

[tranquil garden]

yeah my way probably isn't for everyone and definitely wants either a razer mouse or a cyborg or foot pedals

but having bought those items for my a11y stuff I realized, hey it kinda lets me play a little different

[tribal blade]

yes

[tranquil garden]

I thought I wouldn't be able to play fighting games ever again so honestly it's a cool device

well enough sounding like an advertisement I guess lol

[tribal blade]

nice nice 🙂

[tardy badge]

what gems do i need for this goofy circlet?

[tranquil garden]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[twilit phoenix]

you don't use a prostate activated gamer sybian?

not gonna make it

[tranquil garden]

brother I've had enough of that with exams at the doctor

nobody told me you had to start dealing with that once you passed 36

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/prostate-exam-lube-doctor-finger-ass-gif-9544294

[hard trellis]

i made one just like the night stalker one

[bright sundial]

sry if this was already answer but did anything open up this week?

[hazy breach]

Yes it does

[tribal blade]

huge

[acoustic lodge]

Sub pumps

[tribal blade]

the annoying thing now is backstab doesn't give FW from the front anymore

which is making me mad

[hazy breach]

Yep

It doesnt matter much for dps, but it does feel bad

[tribal blade]

they really need to change backstab to give FW from any angle

[hazy breach]

Gloomblade doesnt either btw

Its also only from behind

[worn ivy]

I see lot of people not tracking fw is there any reason not to ?

[tribal blade]

that's so tragic

[tribal blade]

not really much need

i do track it on my nameplates

but not in WAs

[worn ivy]

Same on nameplates

[swift tinsel]

I have it on nameplates but that's purely for a wa that I'm getting rid of

[tribal blade]

nameplates is enough for me

[tepid trellis]

its up 99% of the time on ST and you force apply it when it matters in dance on AoE

[swift tinsel]

threw together one so it counted how many mobs in 10 yards have it on them

but yeah like stealthi said now that you only care about it in dance and its guaranteed there's no point

I think rupture is the only nameplate debuff I track besides fw

and I have a color change plater mod for that but I need to see durations

[tribal blade]

i reduced the amount i track on nameplates too, makes a big difference in clutter in big pulls

[west tide]

im doin so bad bro idk how to play with 3 charges of sod guys

its too many charges

[swift tinsel]

for sure, I used to have so much extra shit on mine until I blacklisted almost everything

[worn ivy]

Need to blacklist some auras on nameplates in kui

But the feature is not working

[tribal blade]

i would say if you're struggling don't send any naked symbols

just send symbols with dance

[worn ivy]

Probably need to swap plater

[swift tinsel]

I used naowh's plater as a base and frankensteined the shit out of it

oh wait it has fazed too gotta ditch that

[tepid trellis]

its more or less completely static, the way we do it
2-1-1-2-1-0-2-1-1-2-1-0-2
2s being your flag windows 1s being 1x dance + SoD 0s nothing

[worn ivy]

After all these years its really hard to chance nameplates using them since legion

Sometimes if u getting close to 3x stmbols i sent 1 without dance

[rain swallow]

with flag windows u mean the burst windows right

[spark tusk]

yes

flag is burst

[swift tinsel]

bongo burst

[worn ivy]

Some aoe stuation in m+ i force to send 1 sectech without dance but only symbols to get 2x dance on next burst window

I guess thats ok ?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[rain swallow]

Atleast i got a whole week to get used to sub before m+ and raiding starts

[worn ivy]

Easy to play hard to master i would say

[rain swallow]

actually feels good to finally play a spec with burst

[sick jackal]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[rain swallow]

yeah i played tons of outlaw so i'm already happy to not be c tier and have 100apm

[west tide]

ty very jmuch im gonna save this

okay rank 1 of 6 we uppp

lmfaoo

i got a lot to learn wahoo

[lucid jackal]

sub is high key easy

but its chill

[swift tinsel]

yeah its super easy to overthink things so it seems way more complicated

[lucid jackal]

its so easy u just press buttons

U have like 3 rules

Trickster is so easy and idiot proof

Love it

💯

[swift tinsel]

your burst window is almost completely scripted outside of shadowcraft resets so its pretty easy to get down

then you just kinda coast

[fickle mason]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west tide]

ya i just havent played it in soo long just gotta learn some stuff haha

its actually fuckin INSANE how much of a prison deathstalker was

im swapping targets and im like oh fuck wait im free

for the 1 sd sod cycle what can the cd of sectech be to go into it or should it be completely off cd

[sterile kiln]

10s sectech cd you can pop sod sd

[west tide]

tyvm!!

[sterile kiln]

then ss evis ss sectech

[fickle mason]

is authority of depths best for both weapons now

[swift tinsel]

fucking horizontal poison window

[lucid jackal]

more technically if you have coup up already

But thats a fairly niche scenario

[tepid trellis]

14

[west tide]

dam sub cranks on ansurek lmao

[hybrid prism]

a prison lmao. a bit dramatic my guy

man idk what im gonna do when i replace transmitter. That is like 50% of the difficulty lmao

[swift tinsel]

@hazy breach we're still raid parry-proof

[tribal blade]

1st boss

not too shabby

[fickle mason]

you're the shadow priest?

[tribal blade]

u r funi guy

[swift tinsel]

just speedran a 1:30 first boss kill on heroic lol

[random comet]

big sub recraft time i think

[tribal blade]

on the 1st add pack after 1st boss

i did so much aoe

i was doing enhance/ele burst numbers

[lilac stag]

Assa pumping as well. Rupture going hard

[tribal blade]

nice

[shell willow]

Lol single digit sub mythic parses lawl

[tribal blade]

oh shit i completely forgot they fixed RS

i should use it

[west tide]

ok cds stilll feel bad no matta what spec on platforms haha

[twilit phoenix]

[tribal blade]

well it's gonna feel even worse now because everyone's doing more dam

[molten citrus]

2nd time they've broken this btw

[swift tinsel]

its so minor but so annoying

[molten citrus]

i couldnt even open mine in combat earlier

[random hare]

Hello

[molten citrus]

thats never been a thing or am i truly going insane

[random hare]

People sub will have good utility

In a

S2

Because u can throw finishers without losing dmg

[mint moon]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[sick glade]

Guys can someone explain me where we will get Puzzling Cartel Chip's? I saw in the fuu's guide how we spend it, but can't find info how to get

[tranquil garden]

you get 2 as you get rep

in the raid

[tribal blade]

court

SHEEEESH

[sick glade]

what levels of rep? i rechecked twice only mog chips was anounsed

[tranquil garden]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift crest]

is gunna get a nerf

[tranquil garden]

shoudl be in the wowhead guide

for the raid rep

[tepid trellis]

the fuck were the rest of your guild doing? LMFAO

[tribal blade]

i have no idea, busy dying lol

or whatever

i wasn't really paying attention 😉

oh yeah busy being bad

[tepid trellis]

LMFAO

[tribal blade]

a lot of holding hands going on

if i was blue side i would have 100% topped 3 mil

[paper iron]

that some big boom

[tribal blade]

luckily boss literally died right as my last flag window was done

[tepid trellis]

pretty sure im gonna need to sack my cd set on intermission 2

and just hold it for the first charge in p2

p3*

[tribal blade]

mmm yeah probably

if we had everyone alive we would have skipped that amp

[swift tinsel]

one beam away on kyveza

[slate lantern]

Ggs Dave loses again

[swift tinsel]

if only I had that 9 extra ilvls

[civic swallow]

Is there any recommendation on a Cartel to focus on first?

[misty hare]

Any recommendations for a sub plater profile?

[slate lantern]

It's just cosmetics I think

[swift tinsel]

redemption

beating everyone 10 ilvls above me is satisfying lol

[honest saddle]

you have horizontal?

[tribal blade]

i'm doing more silken tomb damage than our fury warr on queen

goddamn

[swift tinsel]

we're about to start queen lol

[tribal blade]

we've done a few pulls but people are dying nonstop in P1

so we're taking a break

[honest saddle]

I did 2.35 mill on bloodbound and was like

that has to be r1

not even fucking close lolol

[tribal blade]

haha

dw this week is a clown fiesta

[swift tinsel]

Im literally doing 500k+ more than my best parses lmao

[lilac stag]

Kinda happens when they gut odyn’s fury

[swift tinsel]

after full raid, confirmed fazed is still raid-wide parry redux

hell yeah

[slate lantern]

Mom get the camera we got another raid buff!!

[faint basalt]

Better i'll just tell: "Better be a king whole season and help good people to be good rogue than become a king in last hours of season only for line on raider.io"

I if not stopped push like 2 months ago, i maybe can get like 3550+ rio and more, but i prefer chill play with friends\lfg non-meta boyz. So i have a lot of work to do on streams in next season xD

[slate lantern]

Also he paid for it so it's invalid anyway lmao

[faint basalt]

Yep, i checked party that he played. One of them (at least priest) is known in booster discords. So if this guy have money and shaking to be "not top-1" - then it's his right.

[slate lantern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ the things people do for a false sense of accomplishment in a video game

[edgy zenith]

bro, I can't even appreciate the RS bug fix on the rares because of the server lag in the new zone

😡

[swift tinsel]

peak burst 8mil dps on kyveza

9.7 on ulgrax lol

[lofty lance]

playing trickster in kyveza?

[swift tinsel]

Ye

[lofty lance]

nice

[swift tinsel]

everywhere lol

I only play trickster

[lofty lance]

deathstalker is a pvp hero talent now ;p

[alpine wraith]

any waiters in chat

[swift tinsel]

what time is it supposed to go live in eu?

[alpine wraith]

no idea it says from 3 am to 11am maintenance

but usually it is up by like 7 or 8

[swift tinsel]

hopefully your Undermine is less of a lag fiesta

feels like RS bug is back

bc its so bad

also checked for any stealth fixes and didn't find any

[coarse agate]

RS bug?

[swift tinsel]

would give staggered combo point refunds

but it was fixed in 11.1

we're so back tho, tonights reclear felt strong as fuck

[lofty lance]

eu up boys

[subtle jay]

US undermine lags as fuck

[swift tinsel]

Yeah certain parts are unplayable

Looting take 8 seconds and so do combo points

[subtle jay]

had to wait like 6-7 seconds before skills being used

[lilac stag]

@keen dome That was easy

[molten citrus]

i want this one

oh thats the toy from transmitter, thought it was a new toy

[spark tusk]

need to find this

[molten citrus]

apparently it just costs 5k res crystals

[eager parrot]

So sub is OP this season?

[molten citrus]

i wouldn't say op

it's looking decent

[eager parrot]

I didn't play wow 3-4 months I was playing assas

according to tierlists etc which class is decent I know its so early to ask but I have monk,dh,rogue,hunter I just wanna level up good dmg for m+ 😄

[teal hemlock]

I forgot we are raiding to get some other guildys mounts and re learning sub since DF S1 is toxic on these fights

[eager parrot]

and I didn't watch any streamer or I have no idea about patch notes thats why I'm asking

[earnest crane]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel plaza]

to clarify for the rogue sims the best race is orc?

not mag har* ?

[molten citrus]

this changes pretty often

would just play what you like really

it also can depend on spec

talking about a difference in like 3000 damage

[haughty mural]

Which is nothing

[molten citrus]

yeh

it's within margin of sim error basically

[haughty mural]

And probably not worth it making yourself uncomfortable with your own looks

Jeez morning spelling

Nobody saw that

[tame scaffold]

I will not allow you to slander Caddy. Fury got changed to lose its insane burst aoe potential this patch.

[spark tusk]

did they get anything in return?

[tribal blade]

HAHA YOOO

yeah someone told me they hit odyn's fury hard, didn't know that

[tame scaffold]

they changed the talent that gave us a free Odyns fury on avatar cast and Odyns is tuned badly so dont even take it anymore

[keen dome]

Sub good?? Purple stocks up???

[earnest crane]

hey guys does anyone know why i cant open my bags and mail box in game ?

[lofty lance]

prob cuz bagnon is not updated

[earnest crane]

yeap ty

fixed

[spark tusk]

ANGER MANAGEMENT IS BACK ALL HAIL AM YES

[torn storm]

dude fuck this game

[keen dome]

On one hand: hell yeah.
On the other: oh no

[tribal blade]

ya sub doing quite well right now

[keen dome]

A week of no meaningful content to be the godkings of WoW

At least EU is already up. Outta bed, into undermine.

[teal prawn]

Take it just so you can get the toy

[swift crest]

this spec doing some big rtard dmg rn

[tribal blade]

the new coup animation is pretty cool

[swift crest]

has shadowstrike always had a 25yard range

[vale pine]

these are the defaults for simc:

[vale pine]

better late then never

[distant bison]

do we still stech before blades?

[vale pine]

before secret

und its fine if you use it after too

[torn storm]

Rip my 500 crests

[vale pine]

as long as the clone hits are after it

[distant bison]

got it ty

[vale pine]

I only have a heroic one

did not get the mythic one to drop

i did compare heroic to mythic

[torn storm]

It’s like 15k

[vale pine]

and heroic will not last me as long in s2

while mythic is like...

[torn storm]

A mythic one simmed like 15-16k more for me

[vale pine]

comparing:

• Mythic Transmitter
• Heroic House
• Heroic Transmitter

[mild brook]

mfw i get my myth track transmitter today and cant upgrade it to 6/6

[vale pine]

it is a high variation sim so expect +- 0.2% or so on the result

[jolly pasture]

Lowkey good to not have mythic. You have prio vs other ppl to get a hc trinket that doesnt suck to use

[torn storm]

Can’t wait to get heroic house and macro it to blades

[keen dome]

Same

Death to the imp telephone

[west tide]

i love sub ❤️

[keen dome]

Extremely agreed

Having an actual, cool animation

I'm shocked. I'm amazed!

[clever delta]

No way we got new animation

[keen dome]

It's the animoation it should've played

[tribal blade]

it's kinda the same but sound different

not sure if the visual is actually different tbh

[keen dome]

The visual actually plays now

Before it'd get overriden but now it seems to take priority?

[tribal blade]

it looks bigger now

like more aggressive

[keen dome]

Yeah

[worn ivy]

Did they fix the coupe charge ?

[keen dome]

It doesn't charge anymore.

[worn ivy]

Noisee

[random hare]

GUYS GUYS

ALL RAID ITEMS

HAVE SOCKETS

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fierce minnow]

wot

[haughty mural]

Zeross rly needs a new keyboard

[brisk onyx]

[haughty mural]

Can’t wait to get home

[tribal blade]

sub feels really good right now

doing monster dam and a lot of QoL fixes make the spec feel less ass

[haughty mural]

And now do I

[haughty mural]

RS

[woven marsh]

Is shadowblades broken in the whole game? Or is it just in old raids? Did the campaign as sin so havent tested it in current content

[tribal blade]

yes you can RS now

[haughty mural]

Yea I noticed it big time when I switched from ptr to live

[tribal blade]

a lot of spells end up being broken in old content

[haughty mural]

Looking forward to it now

[tribal blade]

it's happened to blades before, wouldn't be surprised if it happened again

[woven marsh]

yea its doing 60% of my damage in castle nathria. lol

just insta killing everything

[tribal blade]

i guess i need to eat my dooming from before, sub is banging

[keen dome]

Huh, yeah. Blets / Helms etc have sockets by default in the raid. Wild.

What a strange change

Good though

[jolly pasture]

M+ vault items negative stonks 😦

[keen dome]

I wonder if M+ vault items will have sockets too

[spark tusk]

How do you know this?

[keen dome]

Looking in the raid window

[spark tusk]

Was this posted somewhere? Seems like something of this sort would have been announced somewhere

[keen dome]

It's entirely possible it's a display bug

[spark tusk]

Seems strange for it to just be dropped in the journal without wowhead picking it up and making a post out of it

[keen dome]

Yeah, haha

[spark tusk]

I mean, I am willing to bet that they do know about it but are holding off because it isn’t clear if this is intended or a bug

[keen dome]

It also skews M+ in a very weird way since you'd have to burn a vault slot to add something to an M+ item. Which is weird. Unless they're doing away with the gem token entirely and it's all baked in now. And they forgot to say.

It's possible it's just the dungeon journal dislaying it erroniously

Rings / Necks don't have them. It's just Belts / Helms / Wrists.

[spark tusk]

I would really not get too excited or credulous about what the journal says unless you have specific info otherwise on this other than the journal.

[keen dome]

Need to see what they drop with to be certain, next week. Or a post from Blizz.

[random hare]

i totally would because its literally at the curio vendor

[spark tusk]

It may be real and if it’s real, that’s interesting and neat and also weird

[random hare]

its not weird

[spark tusk]

Ah ok see that’s different now

[random hare]

its annoying to get sockets rn

[spark tusk]

I didn’t know it was on the curio vendor

Thought it was just the journal

[random hare]

cba waiting a whole week just to pick a socket when u can just pick an item in vault

[keen dome]

It's weird because it means M+ still have to burn a vault week for a gem socket (presumably)

[random hare]

i knew it was on journal 1 week ago

thats why i mentioned it when it was in the vendor itself oto

[keen dome]

Would be cool if they're just getting rid of the vault socket item entirely and belt / neck / helms just have sockets be default. But the dungeon loot pool doesn't have it, just the raid. Although can't see seasonal dungeon loot yet, so.

[random hare]

just the raid? thats so cooked

well honestly maybe not

for bis gear its cooked but

[spark tusk]

Like it’s something I would have hoped for a post with them explaining that they’re doing it because sockets are annoying to get and yada yada etc but I haven’t seen any of that

[random hare]

to get decent items its cool

?

[keen dome]

Ye, same. It's a pretty substanial change.

[random hare]

what makes u think sockets arent annoying to get