#subtlety
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How is subtlety looking for the upcoming patch?
Usually played assassination and interested in giving it a go
i still reserve the right to be mad about the 4pc nerf but im gonna play sub no matter what

super fun, we're positioned pretty well
It'll be good. It's a great spec to learn so you should def give it a shot!
Sub (Trickster) has fun gameplay and thankfully Trickster is looking best in all content so we chilling
And it won't randomly kill you anymore!
need an addon that alt+f4's whenever I try to spec in to DS as sub
Nice, what are some things to look out for coming from sin?
we do 80% of our damage in cooldowns
Sin is exactly the same
Well you should be used to low energy outside of cd’s
And that is sub in a nutshell
oh i misunderstood
you need to be aware of the cooldown of Symbols of Death, Shadow Dance and Secret Technique to know when you're safe to cast them between your major cooldown windows
!burst
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
!cds
Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.
too many commands to keep straight lol
You have to pay attention.
def not a plug-and-play spec
you fuck up. It’s joever
A very set rotation where we do big damage in a small window. Then work towards smaller bursts. It's a lot of planning, rather than just pushing - misusing cooldowns nukes your damage completely
The guides are a really good place to start, and then just asking questions on anything that's not clear. Also hitting the dummy for a while to get used to hitting Dance and Symbols, SecTec, etc.
ive hit dummies for at least 6-8 hrs in the past week for sub 
Hopping into a heroic pug is a good idea too. Just to get comfy of it in a chill, but active enviroment
Need to mess up in a real environment
Honestly going from hitting dummies to playing with windfury is like taking off the training weights
actually learning where to use stuff in a dungeon is infinitely more useful
real practice is normal raids next week kek
Go into keys and brick those 10s
Valid
thats how i learned sub the first time
100%
Normal raid nathria 
Me going into +10 with 3k rating but having no clue how to manage sub cds on these dungeons

Idk, raids were never a hard thing for me to run as sub.
But jumping into random m+ of weekly level where people just randomly pull/send cooldowns brings headache as a cooldown heavy spec
Like I can feel the pain fire mages feel at even greater multitude
its 1000% easier if you play with a tank friend who knows how to pull around sub
im pretty sure my bdk friend has a wa that just screams when i have flag+blades up
so he knows when to pull big
Lol thats the homie
Yeah, playing with a buddy you can shout at while learning is good
If you play with other bursty specs in a premade group, is it meta to try and stagger the cds? like they burst then i burst
i come from outlaw where we are just wild card crackshotting all the time not giving a fuck about other peoples cds
(and doing no damage)
Not just learning wow
Lol outlaw in keys
In higher keys definitely yes
Also
You shouldn’t kinda give a fuck anyways in lower keys. Just send it unless its a boss within next 60 seconds
More uses -> better overall
Ye. If you have a general idea of how a weekly key should go and the tank is pulling in a predictable way you can just send on big pulls and have it for bosses.
But so much of our power in keys is going to require a competent, consistent tank to play around.
Shaman is really nice, yeah.
Get a tank that sees everyone’s CDs and knows how to pull based on them
shaman is a new aug
You’re really nice
Yeah sham is like 10% damage almost for us
good thing WF grps are a thing of the past
just be your own shaman and play enh yourself, at least that’s what most people did in s1 lol
Thats insane, and also very sad cause my group that formed this season has been a resto shaman all season and now hes switching to disc 
My resto is going mw
Just play whatever you want
But also bully a shaman
So we have no sham in dungeons either 
no he has to play what. i want

Hell I’m most likely not playing rogue as my main for the first time ever next season
yeah its some shit
Why can't we just get the buff outside the instance (this is a terrible idea)
Skill issue eleem
Make your OWN winds for your sky fury
if our third dps isnt a sham its a mage angle unfortunately
God bless
Just spend like 10 years meditating with some rocks
Glad you saw it. Was about to link. Apparently we got yappy

swore it was like 3 minutes ago hahah
It’s okay sin was fotm last season
Now I can just hit on the homies without pinging them again 😈


It’s always sun Fotm
Whispyr never gets to blabber without being asked smth stupid
Yeah now he has me to do the asking
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wait are we fotm
have we sunk so low
hope so
Although it would make my parses look better
My 0.01% Mythic Ulgrax log still somehow being only the 1644th worst log.
if you're playing with a premade group the focus of your CDs is more about speeding up the run than it is about doing your highest possible damage.
SD gets alot more 'jazz' in high keys, because there will often be times where nobody has something to finish off a pack and you'll have 1.4 shadow dance charges - often burning that SD to finish the pack and delaying your CD dump in the next pack will be a positive trade for your group's timer
same philosophy applies to BP vs Evisc, there are alot of giga pulls in s1 that it was better for my group if I used evisc instead of BP
Haha funny knife stab



lol pepe stab
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Damn, thx, seems like a lot, is it worth the squeeze?
Can it/ will it keep up with the other specs?
at any level but the very highest, yes it will keep up with other specs - but the quality of play required to do so is much much higher
if you want to do well at sub in keys it's going to take alot of practice and experience
raid is more accessible
and a tank that knows how to pull
I love flag being ready and we pull 3 mobs at a time
This is exactly it right here
Brings a tear to a grown mans eye
weird profile for keys not many specs have it
Is the low target cleave not very good? Trickster seems great for low target cleave.
one of the reasons udk is rarely in comps
Assa at least does dmg to those 3 mobs while you wait
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sub is going to feel bad while people learn the dungeons
Seems like a 90 second cd is short enough that you just full send whenever.
yes you cant be holding on 90s cds
Yes but the cd is quite long
Its good at low target cleave but sending flag+blades for 3 random mobs the other two dps could delete without cd’s feels real bad
wheres these fucking servers, i want to press cold blood then fat finger rupture or some shit on the training dummmys already
So you'd need mobs to live for most of the 24 seconds flag is up
it's about the proportion of your damage that comes from those CDs and how long they last while they're up
if you are not in CDs, and hilariously so if you are not in SD, you are not doing damage
you're doing beneath healer damage
With that 90 second we’re looking to get 2 full dances in. Not always practical.
Then you’re disjointed.
and trying to get everything back in sync
part of the fun. also frustrating
reminds me of fire mage with combust
It’s kinda similar
yeah pretty much, except fire gets more access to combust
Sub is pretty close to unholy i feel like
idk, fire can get really screwed since they have less control over their cdr.
Back in the days ye
But nowadays combust has such a low cd
there is no CDR with sub's CDs besides SD
3 min combust was kinda fire
Sectech
now it is like you're on fire
was that BFA?
Cata combust omegaDoT was so much fun
consolidate all your damage over time effects into a big ol burn
i used to play firemage in RBGs back in WoD
was so much fun
mass grip everybody in with a Bdk
firemage combust explosion
all dead


we're locked
i might get forced into key pushing next season its not good
you need to
they need to nerf sub, so i can use that as an excuse as to not to
i dont wanna be mean but
did you get boosted
you were doing 15s and suddently you do all 17s today with 3k7 grp

zac cmon...
he devellopped social skill

and get friends
why is blood using spyglass
running all the dungeons in a single sesh with a 3.7k team certainly helps though I suppose
(nice gold)
especially whe nits with a 3k7 team
transmitter still competing with next patch's trinkets despite the nerf?
Lashga built different. Sits in LFG for hours. The return of the king. 👑
r14 below the goat 
comrades
i died maybe 1 -2 time
wake 7 mins under 
dont come in here showing your rio when you just got boosted tho ..
holy gz i guess
im mostly poking fun, but in all seriousness you should probably private the logs before you give more details
you dont need logs my guy
gatekeeping io in the sub channel. Happy new season!
i need all the logs
build the cabin
how is the patch NA people
sin buffs cant come soon enough
ok the logs are funny
im about to tell the goons what happens
1.5 hours or more to go
who is gatekeeping io
oh hit you with the extended extended
i just dont think you should flaunt your io when you get boosted
you get boosted you keep it for yourself

you dont try to get street cred
3pm PST is in another 1.5 hours
niceto know
no extendo yet
I have nothing against people that get boosted, i do think its weird to get boosted and brag about it
dude legit comes back and worked his ass off in LFG and had fun with friends last week. Who fucking cares.
why mad 😄
guess EU will be up at 6 am like always
brother
wdym fun with friends last week
i also had fun with friends in PoE
he was doing 15s
blassted some fat people
what are friends chat?
then in one sessions timed all 17s with a r1 grp
gonna check in raid tonight if they patched out our raidwide parry
hey my friends are very powerful
you know this tank @lilac stag
among a few other things to see if we got any more surprise fixes
average player at best
i mean compared to tony tortillas he still has some ways to go
you dont need logs when you can just open his raider io that he litterlay linked
they aree friends what can i do 😄
ye for sure
mooooooods
if you looked at the logs youd be more upset (but no dont, dont do that)

we keep a lot of friends back in days 😄
i did

people love helping 😄
transmitter still competing with next patch's trinkets despite the nerf?
yes
he asked it 
wasnt it like 4-5M per 17
it is around maxed hc cards powerlvl
@leaden prairie where are your sub keys cuh
you have to be kinda loaded to offer yourself that
Bro i have 400 gold to my name
hey man
I love discord during extended downtime. Best place on earth.
Street cred 😭
blue rio

unlucka man
Close
close to keystone hero
I love how you can always just mark the entire server as read because everything is just people asking what's the best spec for raid or m+ for the new season
they also also ask for the trink but that is fine
Forget the other bugs. I want to fix the damn Shadow dance Shadow strike macro.
well they killed it like almost 3 years ago
go back in time and kneecap realz
now it works when it wants
i will just say its weird to not stream your best keys, seems like good content
like an independent strong woman
Def not recommended cuz u dont always dance with 0cp
So last boss kill gave you sub cred?
I've got more than one button on my keyboard
thx zac i will stream my +2 keys this next wednesday
rio records spec at key start
First pull energy
i do havethem logged
sub is not that bad in NW
ye cause i swap sub
He cant play outlaw first pull gets gapped by prot warrior
why would i need to stream everything 😄

lots of bosses and good pulls
????
well it depends
i logged the keys
swapped mid?
depends when you go outside
like my last nw key it looged as sub
it is kinky
i always go outside at the same time so
on timer
@worn ivy you just played sub right?
We're in a wow class discord. Nobody goes outside.
he could have played a second tank
wouldnt have changed much
You sound hurt
That's our rank 1 Sub player right there
yes @lilac stag
i think its weird to defend someone bragging about his boosted io
like he did it himself
how will sub be on next season?
a-okay
Purple
Same as now
no one would have cared if he just got boosted, but if you run your mouth about it
I wouldn't want that xd 0 group invites or asking me to respec assa
bro who the hell entitled bozos are asking you to respec
im in that log, no shaming please just go about your days
2k rio + i can't get inside groups

i liked this channel more when zac was sitting in outlaw channel only
never knew i would find a log with both r1 sub players

im here to stay
wait
both saps
hate me
no way
surely it aint me then
i watch zacs stream muted
wtf man
sorry not sorry
everyone does that
i like pressing bte 10x and see my damage stand still on details
his audio is crippled most of the time
u wont
you never know
u mean russian guy got beaten by gold 
maybe zac can't talk 🤔
if u have 3.7k friends carry u in 17s even if u don’t pay them isn’t it still carrying 
its fine, i like to keep this voice fantasy as true french man
less expensive carry

idk about the voice but i meant the music is ass 
well yont is booster
wtf man
bro that poor russian guy
I'm just mad because he didn't buy CE too.....
they are all boosters
alex
worked his ass off in lfg
he like ticktock music
all of that to lose r1
nah i watch him
he's got some mates
yeah no definitely not cool, we should definitely not keep doing this because of how not cool it is
want me to show

I dont think we should talk about him being boosted and then posting r.io to disc
that's wrong
show what

BFA keys?
show me
bro it's chill we goofin
u guys gotta chill
show me idc
bfa bro lives in the past
now you get me intersted
you can show it in the outlaw channel bestie <3
u have my rio link
How long ago was bfa
i wasnt even playing the game
then just shhhhhhh
holy shit they gotta buff outlaw 
i can tech you german sign languarge if you want
i was actually
minecraft is a good game
sounds very easy to do while doing a key

😉
xD
1 bark?
1v1 in minecraft
imma have to ask you all to drop it and go your seperate ways, thanks
@worn ivy will you update your bio
"R1 sub rogue s1 tww"
mb stealthi
im gone now
cant wait to see slow mode in this channel for first time, outlaws brains zac and zerooss will make it one day
+29 Tol'Dagor R1 WORLD
https://www.twitch.tv/lashga (Addons/WA's Available for Subs)
not really you dont need slow mode when 3 people are writing
only outlaw would cause drama
where is zac here 😄
i want the povs from that session, seemed legendary
kindergarden
i know some people that played minecraft
ol doing healer dmg on that clip
some that was playing minecraft while you were r1 rogue has more io than you
nothing changed

never even installed it
Ss 10x in a row i love outlaw!
washed up og
Fun spec


zac is causing drama 1 mute pls

1

chat got scolded because of zac 
Give them cannon barrage back
wrong chanel
It would solve everything
literally had quake in here and posting dog pictures. To get railroaded by m+
just missing ratross
na servers are down
ratross LMAO
i cant even watch people play with their cars
at least they’ve had one season of spec swapping for bosses. No more of those questions.
waht else imma do
it is still like 1h+ for them to be up i think
@tepid trellis planning on streaming prog next week?
yes
Yay!
wanna watch 20 hours of splits with us?
why is bro linking 10 years old clips now
I wish our streamer was going to stream our RWL
i usually stream all of prog
maybe we make a guest appeareance in liquid stream
even m+ during it
we can raid exile's chat on tuesday
I popped into a few liquid splits in sepulcher, only claim to fame
so he does not fall asleep doing splits

Kush raid
dont you have to give up loot to get into racers splits?
I wish James was back from Harvard
well well well
why are u acting like you top dameging every key with our dogshit outlaw 😄
just had to do it like me just go into exams
WHat is James doing in Illinois?
bro orange name asked to chill
no lol
There’s a town named Harvard
ah ahaha
Haha
same joke with me and cali vs california

only OG people know
just in time for next season
🔥

Bruh 8.3 BFA was peek
@worn ivy can you do the opener for s2 ? I only take advices from r1 players
?? Does this guy have autism why do I keep seeing random clips from before people in here were born
imma say this, one last time
racoon typing
fkcing drop it


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take it to dms if you wanna be cringe

not here
bro i didnt even said im playing insane or someshit i just did one way or another and if u check my times i finish all the dungeons with 0 death
you can check logs i mean why mad

u just did what?
mistakes are normal
the goat

he crazy
yeah guys! no deaths!
please stealthi
proof!
i beg
none!
NAH BUT
bro u wasnt here
not in here
siege 1st pull
cba

so -1 death
take it somewhere else
this is the most fried conversation ive ever read
cannot move
not my fault
most of the deaths here check waht ive died to
you just linking the
yeah, dumb boosters killed you
death count
correct
look what i died to

My chat experience 😭
raz now too to talk shit
pls man my chat experience fr
I just came here to have chill sub talk before I sleep
okay im gonna vanish now before I get timed out, zac definitely dont keep going I dont want to keep reading this
I must refrain myself
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its gonna be okay zac
Not witnessing epeen show off

be the bigger man
it's gonna be ok zac
i come in peace
I

Im restrained
and now you summed raz, what have you done
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LOOOOL
erm
ZAC
HAHAHA
2hat
MUTE
MUTE HIM STEALTHI
👨🦯
DO IT
BRO WASNT ME
NO BALLS
I SWEAR

What outlaw mains does to a channel
ooops i clicked assa channel
Anyway..
Couldn’t hop in ptr today, there wasn’t any stealth bug fix right ?
it's better here
!guide
Assa channel make zac look like the Buddha
Maybe Blizz should fix Outlaw then so he can stay in his lair. Not his fault....
and the dps ranking article
I looked...
HAHAHA WTF IS ASSA
PLEASE DONT SWAP, STAY QUARANTINED OVER IN YOUR SPECS
showing Outlaw in the top quarter
Seeing stealthis ui they should rename rupture to nightblade and deal shadow damage
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OL is great
now they even roll 5 buffs more frequently
why are they all in here then
na not up
but you can be 50% of the sub chat
outlaw homeless spec

we must come annoy the other rogues
Tonight is very strange
can we spare 1 io for the outlaw rogues
you should've seen the shit that just happened in the assassination chat
I did
OH LMAO
I like it when the Outlaws come around, Outlaw has all the speedy ADHD rogues, all Subtlety has is the emotional dysregulation ADHD rogues
u guys have depression
I said "what the fuck" and couldn't stop laughing
get that checked out
same i was losing my mind at the shit i just saw LOL
Going between channels was an experience
Wait what happened in sin chat
fr
I was screensharing the sub channel cage match when I checked
some dude posting racial stuff and heavy NSFW gifs
ejaculation monsters
he was banned after 5 gifs
Made it to five? Impressive
4*
Ah less impressive
imagine getting banned just like that
perma?
He came, he showed, he banned
i wanna have some laugh at 11.2 launch too
Eu dungs doesnt give crests anymore :c
he had one shot, one oppurnity
took a minute to delete the gifs too so they were truly a sight to behold
horrifying sight but funny nonetheless
Patch day does stuff to people
fr
Yea we can post what we want as long as we keep it sneaky 

Holy shit










Someone just rode by on a bike with a golden doodle in their backpack wearing pink goggles
Iconic
My brain is too rotten from playing outlaw, I can’t choose between sub or assa for prog
Devistation
If you’ve seen letter Kenny. Outlaw is Quebec.
Huh? Flappy dragon spec
To be fair, I just want to perform nicely during normal and HC
Assa is the hockey players
and if we're being real, Subtlety is Michaels from Shoresy
More Katy vibes
guys secret 11.1 patch notes just dropped
FW removed subtlety can use 2h swords
hooooly moly
that's true, I am a hot girl
go back to sleep
i knew someone that worked at blizz
went off to finance controlling integration
made 8x times more
"which spec is best"
"why assa"
"why sub"

I used to date someone who worked in the player insights team at abk for years, moved from them to riot and instantly made way more with better hours
Curious and curiouser
that spec needs a full redesign
Why wasnt outlaw mentioned 
shares weapons with havoc/enhance aswell
i wish outlaw could use daggers main hand
we don't talk about outlaw here
!
daggers main hand..no rolling..maybe add some dance charges...
almost there
in rwf setting its hard to commit to crafting an outlaw weapon when you cant know the last boss on mythic
could be awful for outlaw
well we have vanish charges
when sub buff?
its kinda similar
never say never though this could be outlaw tier!!

Outlaw also has too many situations where it is actually awful. Compared to most other specs
Its cus it sims the highest for hc clear 
i mean outlaw can do good dmg, it just doesnt have a great dmg profile for high end raiding i would think. if you need dmg at a certain time, outlaw cant help you like sin/sub can
nah they are actually 50/50 sub/sin i would like to test outlaw in splits too but unfortunately i dont get any of the outlaw weapons in farm 
i like to use heroic to test all 3 specs normally
Is this confirmation at least one rogue on last boss
bro
Big news
hunters punching the air right now
hey man i need something on my second monitor while i respond to dms of people asking why he sub why he assa why he not sub
fuck it ill make some swords
max did say openly our buff is kinda dogshit and may sit a rogue, you never know!
HOLY
kwk
oh man you werent lying
made you look for sure!
i was gunna cap you so hard
lol
why would someone lie on the internet
who is the first one to drive
im checking streams
no one is driving
where drivers
call me the JOSE LUIS of the taxi driver
btw do you need to do the alleria and khadgar cuck quest
nice
that's the real end game
car tmog
That is true
let yesus
\
take the wheel
But often one rogue spec is atleast acceptable, since were kinda immortal anyway

guys its always sub
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everyone knows it
Do you go to your "friends" server and call it yours too? 
But what about Outlaw? 
No 
no cap guys
has outlaw been played on a rwf end boss
i checked his poe account, might have some insights
I checked kush armory aswell
bro i swear
all outlaws
guys i kid you not
they did the sims
Noxxus was right, outlaw good 
yea man outlaw biggest sim
not since i started the game
outlaw season lets go
keep it rolling boys
right??¿¿
Monks are 2h bois this patch
they are super neutral
transmitter and we go full sub rogue for life
at best
so idk if that matters lol
im so sad i didnt get my mythic transmitter
Raeshalare
make your guild do kyveza every week
did you farm cards prio?
NOT LETTING ME LOGIN
you cant even upgrade it if you drop it no ?
like does it drop 639
629
3 ilvls lets gooooo
wait true
I actually think it’s going to be an interesting tier for melee, like we got assa, sub, enhance, arms, feral and so on, I think we’re in for a fun tier
ye rigth
its gg if you dont have one
WAIT WE CANT UPGRADE OLD GEAR NOW?
no
never could

Bai Bai crests
s1 gear cant be upgraded in s2
Get fucked on
Crest and stone reset each tier
thats actually dump
but dont worry if you do a s1 raid in s2
Not really
you can upgrade those
They did it in DF too
well release m0s then u fuckheads
I mean i guess it is to stop exactly this
for free
tired of blizz shit
patch live
well if the item is good enough for you to need it in s2
dont spread misinformation
cause theyu all seem to be poop ass
Yeah i agree is super cringe
im tryna login the transmmitter in my vault can be upgrade yes or no
No
but i mean maybe the trinkets were juist too good in s1 idk
still an issue
not too late to fix
The haste vers bracers you bout to get will be tho
Yeah they just need to nerf it 10% more and it will be fine imo
Cot trinket
or 5% for all i care just make it so that it is not equal to hero track bis
and cri haste neck from raid
they need to nerf it so that a equal ilvl card is equal value idk
they cant have card be worse till its like 50 ilvl up
xd
that will be a large nerf tho
nerf or buff to card
and like every trinket
for outlaw the delve trinket
you know the speed one
it's broken for sub only zac
its litteraly 0.4% worse than bis trinkets
it would need like 30% nerf
Nah thats compared to skardyn
Not compared to house of cards
aint no way the least played spec is enforcing tuning on a piece of gear
Ye ofc
why would it be different on other specs
Transmitter is better at same ilvl
cause they might like house more





