isn't it a timer loss to not chain even if you have an assa rogue
#subtlety
swift tinsel
bc you're probably taking something like Imp Shadow Techniques or Shadow Focus which aren't that good
keen dome
It'll add up and I think the estimate was you only needed it to be effectively used twice? three times? to be better than the other talents at that level.
lilac wharf
But outside if combat for 6 seems ridiculus
golden kelp
if you arent gonna send cds on a dying pack, I guess you could vanish/meld to get it going sooner. No idea if this is worth doing tho
swift tinsel
it's really not
lilac wharf
But probably this is the real answer
swift tinsel
if you arent gonna send cds on a dying pack, I guess you could vanish/meld to ge...
you can't be in combat at all
keen dome
Pick a dungeon and I bet we can find some moments where it'd be up pretty consistently
It's quite surprising
golden kelp
you can't be in combat at all
yeah its a bit weird b ut managed to do it ok on first packs in rookery
swift tinsel
iirc vanish/meld doesn't start it sooner
lilac stag
Dawnbreaker was amazing for TFD
keen dome
Yeah
lilac wharf
so even if your personal dps is lower, chain anyway
Yes but it feels smoother wihtout chain😅
swift tinsel
Oh yeah the fly time sets it up great
golden kelp
but thats also time you arent spending combo points so, probably not worth y
keen dome
Stonevault has some too. Mists has a few moments, too.
lilac stag
you get 2 restealths with TFD and it’s numerically worth it. We don’t do shit for dmg out of cds
lilac wharf
It'll add up and I think the estimate was you only needed it to be effectively u...
Sad tho😂 but i get it now
Thanks for clarification bois
keen dome
🫡
gritty gorge
Can anyone provide numbers (%) on how big of a loss it is to send CB into the first sec tech in CDs?
swift tinsel
0.6%
plush roost
Next season will have quite a few tfd applications, rookery first pull into out of combat flying. First boss into drop down out of combat. The jump between the second boss room and third boss into the water.
Thats just one dungeon
keen dome
Hell yeah
I imagine ToP has some, right? Fall down into the area below, running to each wing?
plush roost
Theatre has plenty
keen dome
high5
grand wyvern
would that give me permission to be a whiny bitch to my tank?
plush roost
Darkflame cleft after each boss basically
vestal escarp
this season too had a lot of instances where tfd was guaranteed
keen dome
Workshop between first room and fall down to the pipe packs, then between the stealth bit and packs before boss 3
plush roost
Ye
keen dome
Dunno how long the trip up to the final packs before boss 4 is but maybe there too
swift tinsel
Meadery has a fair amount too, should get solid value from pretty much all of them
plush roost
Floodgate doesn't really have many, but routing on that one is kindof a mixed bag rn
Priory also has very few
swift tinsel
for some reason workshop and de other side are blended in my mind
keen dome
Meadery has a fair amount too, should get solid value from pretty much all of th...
Running from left wing to right wing should be one, so that's two I can think of
Maybe for the pack before the final boss too
swift tinsel
yeah pre-last boss adds and between adds and boss start iirc
plush roost
Motherlode will depend on how much shit you decide to skip in it
swift tinsel
since she does that mini-rp
keen dome
Yeah, ML is the one I can think of any real good places. Maybe boss 1 -> next pack?
plush roost
First area trash is pretty bad value now
It may be big first pull with lust into skip to trash before first boss unironically
keen dome
Sounds like a fun time
plush roost
The last area of ML sucked
brisk onyx
What happened to eye of kezan? I see that fuu’s latest simc is almost the same as other combinations.
plush roost
You're in permanent combat
keen dome
The last area of ML sucked
Urgh, yeah
plush roost
For some reason, maybe just ptr bygs
keen dome
All the trash sucks too
keen dome
Bleh
plush roost
Really sad sin noises when i tried it the first time
Idk i did quite a few ptr keys, and all the dungeons were fine / great
Its gonna be a really good season i cant wait
keen dome
Same, I'm excited for it. I'm only a AotC / +10's but it seems like it'll be a lot better this season
plush roost
Yeah they took all the kicks, and shoved them into priory
keen dome
Hell yeah
keen dome
Finally, puggable.
proper fulcrum
Will Shadow Blades work on Secret Tech now?
frail swift
are the changes for sub pog or no?
keen dome
Which change?
swift tinsel
we got nice bug fixes
the buffs were a bit contentious for those who prefer bigger burst and lower baseline damage, but probably healthier for the spec overall
since they nerfed the s2 4pc
swift crest
i was doing big dam after learning some things yday
keen dome
The dream of the 60M SecTec: Dead. But, it wasn't ever live, so it wasn't ever real..
swift crest
will i do more dam when we go live
fierce cedar
did they fix the tier set yet?
void ocean
Im sure this has already been asked but why RS instead of GB for ST, is it because of rupture buff? and I remember something about SF being shit, but I see it in wowhead recommended build not sure whats going on
hollow snow
Man I think the pvp in theater will be the highlight of the season
upper narwhal
!wa
swift tinsel
Im sure this has already been asked but why RS instead of GB for ST, is it becau...
GB is only really better for DS and in pure st
and SF is the point we flex between SF and imp storm
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hollow snow
Wait a second are the RS bug fixes gonna be live?
swift tinsel
Yes
swift tinsel
Coup charge gone
keen dome
It's a blessed day
swift tinsel
Coup grants SnD
hollow snow
YES.
void ocean
Osksjsjwjsksixnsnwwpcmsmanzoskwnwdndndjxjxjbwqps
is this an outlaw opener?
hollow snow
Lmao
swift tinsel
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e2w0iHBCVp8K7hdSk1T8RKtUK9lr4FsRqFWd68FCQnk/pubhtml?gid=579089422&single=true - undocumented bug fixes from this ptr cycle
void ocean
also, do we switch to trickster right away or wait for 2p2p?
anyone?
swift tinsel
Unsure after recent buffs
keen dome
I'm just going to play Trickster from the get-go.
hazy breach
Old 4p and 2p are kinda ass, you just want new 4p asap
twilit phoenix
!bug
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hazy breach
New 2p aint amazing by itself either
swift tinsel
I think they're asking if trickster beats ds in st when 11.1 hits
with current gear
void ocean
I think they're asking if trickster beats ds in st when 11.1 hits
yea
i mean even if they r close i'll go with trickster just to practice more
hazy breach
Yes
I havent double checked but the trickster buffs were like 2.5-3%
And thats pretty much how far behind trickster was in the current tier
So if deathstalker is ahead it should be by an incredibly small margin, so why bother
swift tinsel
just simmed with my retail rogue in mimiron and trickster is ~.7% ahead in st
void ocean
gonna be Playful/Trickster from the get go 😄
hazy breach
just simmed with my retail rogue in mimiron and trickster is ~.7% ahead in st
ye that sounds about right
lilac stag
also, do we switch to trickster right away or wait for 2p2p?
You never switched off trickster.
lofty lance
Are we going to play trickster in full ST fights like Sikran / Kyveza tommorow? Or DS better still
leaden prairie
lilac stag
swift tinsel
lilac stag
It has already started
sullen hare
fickle mason
Is there any welfare catch up gear for alts this week
swift tinsel
full veteran from siren isle
hazy breach
Are we going to play trickster in full ST fights like Sikran / Kyveza tommorow? ...
Read the messages literally right above yours
sullen hare
Big "is assassination viable this expansion at whispyr" vibes
swift tinsel
I also saved this from the other day
edgy zenith
The dream of the 60M SecTec: Dead. But, it wasn't ever live, so it wasn't ever r...
i hit a 60M this tier
lilac stag
Big "is assassination viable this expansion at whispyr" vibes
Only outlaw is viable.
swift tinsel
that dude was a trip
edgy zenith
the dream was lived
cunning turret
hi, currently playing sub after a few expacs away, and i've a few questions.
Should secret technique be used outside of symbols/dance? if so, should i hold ST for any amount of time to line up with dance?
after our opener, should dance+symbols be used together until i'm unable to use them together? then keep on cd and hold as many stacks for flag+SB?
is coup de grace something i should track? If so, is it something that adds another stack to danse macabre and if so, is it worth playing around?
keen dome
i hit a 60M this tier
A 60M SecTec? Damn, blasting
lilac stag
hi, currently playing sub after a few expacs away, and i've a few questions.
Sho...
!guide
swift tinsel
hi, currently playing sub after a few expacs away, and i've a few questions.
Sho...
you should always try to use either/both symbols and dance with secret technique, as long as it means you still can use 2x of sod/dance/sectech in flag+blades
can't always use both when sectech comes up so you play it by ear
and you should track coup so you know when its available to make sure Fazed is on the target before casting it
hazy breach
hi, currently playing sub after a few expacs away, and i've a few questions.
Sho...
Technically yes you can sometimes use sectech outside those but only if you are 10000% sure it will be up to be used as first finisher in the following dance.
Its better to be safe than sorry and hold it than to use it and screw up
You dont really play around coup that much no, it would mostly be to make sure youre using it in huge AoE pulls instead of BP whenever its up
I'd suggest to track it but not like front and center of your screen type thing
edgy zenith
hi, currently playing sub after a few expacs away, and i've a few questions.
Sho...
sectech should almost always be used in symbols, very uncommon to send a natty sectech. think of using sectech with symbols, not dance.
use 2 sectechs, dances, and symbols each flag, fitting as many sectechs + symbols + dances as you can outside of flag window. it normally comes out to flag window > resend dance and symbols at 30s > resend dance and symbols at 45s > send ONLY symbols at 1:05ish with sectech > flag window
don't think about danse macabre ever. iirc coup does give another danse stack, but it doesn't matter, you don't play around it or think about it.
swift tinsel
coup counts as evisc so I'd be surprised if it grants danse unless its your first evisc in dance
vale pine
Eye of Kezan update:
Just quick information because i got dm'd about this multiple times today.
The trinket implementation was updated in simulationcraft, it did incorrectly haste itself when it shouldn't and has some small bugs in the implementation. The trinket is still bis but now a lot closer to other trinkets and might not be the best option for mythic+, because its hard to keep the stacks high consistently.
I did re-run the !sheet trinket simulations while adding some more delve trinkets this morning, you can find the trinket simulation > Here <.
vale pine
# **__Eye of Kezan update:__**
Just quick information because i got dm'd about t...
^ just making this temporary pin (don't mind me)
proven plover
is this the pre or post nerf transmitter value in that sim
vale pine
the transmitter value should be with the latest nerfs
swift tinsel
Oh the Goon Squad Dream is back onnnnnnnnn
vale pine
unless there was a nerf/hotfix today
sacred yarrow
whos out there dming fuu and being annoying, just ask your questions here 
swift tinsel
I'm gonna hard reserve it now instead of Eye
proven plover
damn
swift tinsel
emphasis on hard
fallen crescent
Is the afk before flag still a thing?
proven plover
the transmitter value should be with the latest nerfs
thx, cant wait to pug princess each week until blizzard decides to free me 
swift tinsel
or in m+ as a pack is dying to preserve stacks for next pull so you aren't noodle damage
vale pine
whos out there dming fuu and being annoying, just ask your questions here <:Feel...
I am happy to answer questions also in dm's, the message was not ment to disencourage it just to mention that the question is frequently asked.
fallen crescent
or in m+ as a pack is dying to preserve stacks for next pull so you aren't noodl...
Ty for ur input friend
worn cape
-# you misspelled Kezan
sacred yarrow
I am happy to answer questions also in dm's, the message was not ment to disenco...
its the principle!
round latch
fickle mason
Is there a tier set bonus spreadsheet chart like there were tiers before?
dry belfry
!tea
wicked joltBOT
Thistle tea use:
It is recommended to macro Thistle Tea with Shadow Dance like this:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```Would you put rotten back in sims. 
void ocean
is it just me or CtG makes no fckin sound
lilac stag
You have to be out of melee range. Otherwise animation goes poof
lilac stag
The animation and effects on live only show up if you are out of range
so the charge happens
if you spam abilities it’ll cancel animation
void ocean
its still gona hit i hope 😄
sand ore
Good morning Subcord
kind bluff
Are the bis daggers from raid from an early or late boss?
clever delta
man icyveints really use weird font
keen dome
What a good name
shell willow
Lol this raid better be good. So much hype
valid vault
!wa
swift tinsel
been hearing a lot of hype about bossfights
thick temple
Raid releases march or is lfr already out
swift tinsel
and if you can't get a myth dagger from raid the rookery one is ~84 dps diff at max level
muted frigate
!sheet
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dusty pagoda
!fuu
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vale pine
Hope the fights are fun and ez
the most noticable (in a good way) feature of the new patch is more visible hitboxes of abiltiies
vale pine
if you looked at some ptr testing stuff, you now actually see what to run out from on the ground
huge qol change
keen dome
Chill tier
Yes please. Week 1 AotC, let's go
full wyvern
The trickster fazed anti-parry only applies to the rogue that applied it, correct? I keep seeing people say it makes it so no one gets parried but the way it reads doesn't imply that
hazy breach
Its for the entire raid yes, probably not intended to work that way
But thats how it works
swift tinsel
its balanced bc no 100% uptime
full wyvern
huh interesting, good to know
swift tinsel
just close
hazy breach
Couldve been fixed for 11.1, havent double checked
swift tinsel
Oo good call
hazy breach
But for nerubar palace it absolutely worked
swift tinsel
Didn't even think to check that on ptr
vale pine
The trickster fazed anti-parry only applies to the rogue that applied it, correc...
we are happy to give the benefits to everyone, unless blizz fixed it in the patch (which we can't test before its live)
swift tinsel
we're raiding tonight so I can log it
and we've got 10+ melee so plenty of people to look at
vale pine
isn't downtime till after midnight cet
swift tinsel
It'll be down until 5pm my time
shell willow
6 pm est
vale pine
is this still right?
swift tinsel
which yeah I think is midnight
vale pine
because
swift tinsel
afaik
fathom gazelle
transmitter in the sim after nerf?
swift tinsel
I'm 2 hours ahead of that
vale pine
would be midnight my time
swift tinsel
yeah
vale pine
transmitter in the sim after nerf?
yes
rotund wave
will m0 be weekly or daily reset?
vale pine
its with the 5% nerf
vale pine
will m0 be weekly or daily reset?
m0 won't open before raid release afaik, but be on a daily reset once raid opens
swift tinsel
someone linked this in a diff channel
rotund wave
thx guys
vale pine
holy fk its 0.5% only from bis 678?
it is because there are not many trinkets to fit our 90 secound burst phase
basically there is transmitter and house of cards
and you will combine it with a more passive option
vale pine
someone linked this in a diff channel
thats what i was saying, no?
vale pine
nice to have it confirmed from you then 👍
sinful zephyr
M0 will be on a weekly reset
vale pine
oh, so they move away from the daily reset introduced in 11.0?
swift tinsel
but yeah I'll check if the anti-parry is still raid-wide tonight
vale pine
nice, report back what you found
i am curios too, but i don't think it is a bug blizz is super aware of
full wyvern
Yeah if it still works, I'll prob switch to sub for the raid
vale pine
it was a big topic in s1, but ignored ever since
keen dome
I hope they convert it into a feature
vale pine
nobody talks about it^^
thick temple
so vers is more important than mastery this season? Should i treat it like last season where the ratio was like 80/10/10/5 or similar (vers, mas, crit, has)
wheat elk
i am curios too, but i don't think it is a bug blizz is super aware of
since our on use does not have main stat on it, isnt it better for our passive trinket to have main stat and a chance of sec stat for example
vale pine
so vers is more important than mastery this season? Should i treat it like last ...
both are about on par
vale pine
since our on use does not have main stat on it, isnt it better for our passive t...
It does not need to be a passive trinket, it can be active too but passive ones are more comfortable
!sheet
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thick temple
both are about on par
do you have a guestimation on how a BiS loadout percantages would look like? not familiar with 2 stats as high prio
upper plinth
we can macro house just to SB right?
swift tinsel
I'm 100% switching my reserve to Zee's lol
sand ore
The goon squad is just five copies of me
sinful zephyr
oh, so they move away from the daily reset introduced in 11.0?
Yes, but you get champion level gear now
swift tinsel
farmable/targetable champ track gear on a daily lockout might be a bit strong
for early gearing
vale pine
basically mastery is a bit higher than vers, but both rly high
haste is almost not taken
thick temple
bit higher is a stretch but at least it looks like a similar flow to s1
fallen fable
!fuu
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thick temple
is that typical in between seasons? tww is my first xpac
sour forum
!wa
vale pine
- only "big" rotational change is to finish with on 7+ (from 5+) on trickster
- Trinkets become transmitter 2.0 (house or card) or transmitter 1.0 (the regular trinket) + passive/damage option
- Embellishments stay 2x iris on low budget slots
- Talents stay the same
- Stats stay Mayters >= Versa > Crit > Haste
swift tinsel
I thought keys all go to +2
alpine wraith
no the delve keys
swift tinsel
don't they reset next week?
slate lantern
I had 36000 undercoins to spend 
swift tinsel
not today
slate lantern
don't they reset next week?
Isn't all currency today, like crests and stones and such
thick temple
- only "big" rotational change is to finish with on 7+ (from 5+) on trickster
- ...
wowhead said vers > mast which is why i went here. got confused
swift tinsel
I'm not sure
thick temple
but thanks for breakdown!
swift tinsel
I'll find out after work lol
upper plinth
- only "big" rotational change is to finish with on 7+ (from 5+) on trickster
- ...
do we really only finish on 7?
swift tinsel
perfect maintenance downtime timing
slate lantern
do we really only finish on 7?
Finish with BP*
alpine wraith
im going to eat some spaghetti and then do some things
swift tinsel
Unless they hit us with the extendo
slate lantern
Vs evis
vale pine
wowhead said vers > mast which is why i went here. got confused
give me a moment, ill change the order, good point btw.
alpine wraith
then maybe NA servers are up
swift tinsel
spaghetti sounds pretty nice
upper plinth
Finish with BP*
oh mb
slate lantern
servers come up in a little under 6hrs
Before ye olde extendo hits you in the nuts
worthy relic
!fuu
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swift tinsel
I've got contingency nuts
swift tinsel
lmao I stopped taking off work for releases
I think the last one I did was Legion, took a week off
I remember taking off work for WoD and the horde garrison spawning item was bugged so only 1 person could interact at a time so they had to auto-complete the quest for everyone
day well spent
shrewd monolith
!fuu
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swift tinsel
was like a goblin telescope or something like that
slate lantern
lmao I stopped taking off work for releases
I got a whole twitch chat riled up when I said I was missing my daughters piano recital for the 11.0.5 release which was delayed
People were TURNT
clever delta
is ptr down:
slate lantern
Yus
worn cape
I got a whole twitch chat riled up when I said I was missing my daughters piano ...
I feel bad for your daughter.
slate lantern
I feel bad for your daughter.
I would too if she were real and I was actually doing that but alas, twas just a joke on the internet. She wasn't even a twinkle in her father's balls.
vale pine
is ptr down:
probably its like 5-6h before NA gets the patch
steel zinc
probably its like 5-6h before NA gets the patch
I think it's so omega bad that our tier will be broken for the whole duration of progression
Like 1.5% less dps
And then fixes in the next patch
swift tinsel
its possible it gets fixed this week
wild hornet
!cb
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
vale pine
I think it's so omega bad that our tier will be broken for the whole duration of...
we don't know yet, its still more than a week
clever delta
they were fixing major bugs within our class even hours after release of raid
vale pine
they did yes
e.g. if you remember the outlaw bug people lost their mind last xpac
the same bug was fixed the raid tier before during the wfr
and only re-introduced because of issues on blizz site when putting the ptr live (which did not include a lot of stuff)
upper plinth
In the 2nd CD window, after pressing flag, should i do an evis and after that SD + SoD + ST etc or skip evis and directly go to CDs?
steel zinc
they were fixing major bugs within our class even hours after release of raid
I highly doubt they will fix it. I'd rather be surprised
steel zinc
# **__Eye of Kezan update:__**
Just quick information because i got dm'd about t...
Knife looking really strong
vale pine
ye
steel zinc
Might do some delves first week
vale pine
especially because you can cloak it off
steel zinc
especially because you can cloak it off
Oh wow I didn't know that
alpine wraith
you ideally do delves every week because of vault
steel zinc
Is that in simc?
vale pine
no
shell willow
If the debuff is haste let it live anything else cloak
vale pine
sims don't cloak the debuff
vale pine
but you can if it gives you mastery or vers deficits during cooldowns
steel zinc
sims don't cloak the debuff
So it kinda undersims or?
vale pine
would not cloak it off outside of cooldowns
vale pine
So it kinda undersims or?
kind of, but i would say in a healthy way
acoustic lodge
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vale pine
there are good arguments why you probably want to not use your defensives for dps
steel zinc
there are good arguments why you probably want to not use your defensives for dp...
True
shell willow
true, plus another thing to track
vale pine
but i did keep the information on wowhead, similar to season 1
steel zinc
but i did keep the information on wowhead, similar to season 1
Sorry didn't read wowhead after you reran the trinket sims
vale pine
oh all fine
you don't need to, we can have these discussions in discord as well
its simialar to transmitter
!transmitter
wicked joltBOT
The orb and circle from Treacherous Transmitter always spawn in the same spot. Relative to how your character is facing it spawns northeast/1:30 o'clock/frontright, this means you can know where it will spawn and react accordingly.
https://i.imgur.com/cTPN4Tz.png
vale pine
^ where eleem made a nice bot command to help with the use
its only a few trinkets that have special transactions like this
swift crest
but i did keep the information on wowhead, similar to season 1
had to use this bad boy all season due to not getting a myth track crystal
on sin
vale pine
if you play sub
chances are high you will use transmitter for at least some weeks
in season 2
swift crest
transmitter is the least bad feeling on sub compared to other specs/classes iv used it on
for some reason idm it on sub
steel zinc
you don't need to, we can have these discussions in discord as well
Trinket section looks more balanced. Also I should sim myself it but what about champion track stuff. We just replace transmitter with hoc and not play double on use I assume
steel zinc
heard its way more annoying on dh
On dh it's fine as long as you don't have the 3 jumps
swift crest
maybe cause sub just slams their cds
vale pine
Trinket section looks more balanced. Also I should sim myself it but what about ...
i mentioned it earlier, its fine to use double on use
but if you do so, you will use transmitter or cards with your cooldowns
and the other trinkets in between
so direct damage trinkets might be better than stat on use
or passive effects
steel zinc
but if you do so, you will use transmitter or cards with your cooldowns
Yeah that seems apart from the bee trinket a bit cooked
steel zinc
so direct damage trinkets might be better than stat on use
Yup
vale pine
e.g. this seems to sim decently well
and is a direct damage trinket
as a 2nd trinket
steel zinc
e.g. this seems to sim decently well
Yeah they look good. Also effected by lingering I assume
Is that in sims?
vale pine
but most others are just passive
steel zinc
Lingering buffing the output of such trinkets
glacial stag
!fuu
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vale pine
lingering is only shadow sadly
wild hornet
was nimble flurry ever at a % damage transfer higher than 50?
vale pine
so any trinket that says:
- Shadow, Plague or Cosmic damage
vale pine
was nimble flurry ever at a % damage transfer higher than 50?
it was buffed in 11.1
steel zinc
so any trinket that says:
- Shadow, Plague or Cosmic damage
Ok did you find apl changes or why are we simming now closer to 2.6?
wild hornet
it was buffed in 11.1
im trying to remember if it was higher before, since i thought youd use bp on mroe than 7 targets
im looking at guide cause i forgot how trickster m+ works and i kinda have to for next season
vale pine
Ok did you find apl changes or why are we simming now closer to 2.6?
eleem found a small optimization, so i put in the updated apl with it
nothing gameplay changing tho
steel zinc
eleem found a small optimization, so i put in the updated apl with it
What was it? Oh OK so same gameplay
I still think dungeon slice will be cooked with set.
Going with full first dance 10 stacks and cds into a new pack might be worth not pressing sth when a mob is low hp
vale pine
first thing we need to do is wait
and see if we got some surprises with the patch
if things are more stable, could see if we find some more small optimizations
steel zinc
I played like that on beta mob is under 10% hp I just rupture if cds and high stacks.
The aoe burst is imo insane
hazy breach
im trying to remember if it was higher before, since i thought youd use bp on mr...
Well BP got buffed by like 70% over season one
steel zinc
and see if we got some surprises with the patch
It's a gamble themed patch so fits perfectly 🤣
hazy breach
So even if nimble wasnt touched, the number of targets where you stop eviscerating moved by BP being tuned differently
wild hornet
yeah that makes full sense then
steel zinc
So even if nimble wasnt touched, the number of targets where you stop eviscerati...
BP has a wider range then coup or?
wild hornet
what kind of battlegrounds are you playing
that people are this stacked
besides on eye of the storm
steel zinc
Ye BP has 10 yards i think
So might be worth using depending on gathering even using at lower target count.
Nimbles range is melee that's it right?
swift tinsel
spell data doesn't say but I wanna say its 7-8 also
wild hornet
is the reason of not using sstorm with premedation to avoid copo overcap on multi target?
swift tinsel
would have to double check
vale pine
nimble probably has the same problem BF has
that its slightly lower range than intended
swift tinsel
I know its not just melee range bc whenever I test wm flurry bug it hits further targets in org than that
vale pine
they at least in patchnotes did say they fixed that for BF, but i don't think it was ever fixed for nimble
i can test during the 11.1 week probably
not much to do anyways
swift tinsel
I can check it after work too
rapid kite
hey fuu i'm a little confused
swift tinsel
just pull up a range estimator and go
rapid kite
on the fuu sheet, the race says orc is better, but ont he sim itself maghar is on top ?
wicked joltBOT
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hybrid prism
boom roasted
clever delta
btw i forget if nimble of your target or of yourself
patent lichen
Got em
vale pine
orc comes with
fallen crescent
Does maghar orc look better though? I’ve never made one
vale pine
the dmg from nimble is of target or yourself?
yourself
clever delta
for some reason i play it like its from target all the time
wild hornet
Does maghar orc look better though? I’ve never made one
human best race
vale pine
maghar has a similar one
wild hornet
gg
swift tinsel
vale pine
for some reason i play it like its from target all the time
I would need to test that again
but iirc the target spread from replicating works like this
fallen crescent
human best race
Proud Horde member. I will never be ally scum
clever delta
we come ready
swift tinsel
yeah bc I thought you could kinda dance around and have replicating hit certain targets
based on where your toon is positioned
wild hornet
Proud Horde member. I will never be ally scum
the only horde char i ever would play is undead
and specifically on rogue
onyx sinew
will sub be better then assa ? im a bit worried about assa st
hazy breach
keen dome
We will, without question, be more purple.
wild hornet
sub best spec in game
void ocean
Proud Horde member. I will never be ally scum
swift tinsel
I have a couple nelf toons just for flipping
void ocean
the coin?
wild hornet
im still mad theyre removing shadowy duel
clever delta
damn guys hopefully they nerf the circlet ring
wild hornet
im in shambles
swift tinsel
bc sometimes you just gotta do a frontflip
clever delta
fuck that
void ocean
fatebound sub confirmed.
swift tinsel
the day they remove trickster is the day I die inside
vestal escarp
cook deal fate for sub
rugged dew
damn guys hopefully they nerf the circlet ring
Thats for .5 or .7 They said they wanted it to be good for the start of the tier
vale pine
will sub be better then assa ? im a bit worried about assa st
both look fine, but neither sims above what some other classes put on the table
solemn creek
damn guys hopefully they nerf the circlet ring
They wont at start. Probly only on the x.5 patch
vestal escarp
warrior nerfs first week of raid
hexed dagger
why are we eviscerating before rupture in the opener exactly?
clever delta
that sux, i wanna equip new gear
vestal escarp
i can already taste their tears
swift tinsel
why are we eviscerating before rupture in the opener exactly?
grants slice and dice
void ocean
why are we eviscerating before rupture in the opener exactly?
snd
swift tinsel
via updated Cut to the Chase
hexed dagger
ah right ty
void ocean
cut the cheese talent
crystal bone
🧀
onyx sinew
both look fine, but neither sims above what some other classes put on the table
k ty . is there a vid that teach sub completely ? im a bit lost reading the rotation ^^
dry plank
i can already taste their tears
Our warrior already crying after 5% nerf lol
swift tinsel
lol same
I tried recording a basic video guide last night and it ended up 30mins long lol
vale pine
k ty . is there a vid that teach sub completely ? im a bit lost reading the rota...
the season 1 videos are still perfectly fine, the rotation did not change.
Think you can search for Hachadino or EleemX on youtube.
else
!guides
rugged condor
we cold blood on 2nd sectech right? or is that change out of date
alpine wraith
yea that one is still in
swift tinsel
we cold blood on 2nd sectech right? or is that change out of date
correct, 2nd in flag/blades
solemn creek
Is the reason we secret tech as first gcd on opener to make sure secret technique gets enough cdr reduction to be up as the 2nd cast on 2nd dance?
rugged condor
poggers
swift tinsel
gets on cd, procs more unseen blades
kind bluff
My m+ grp has always been sub rogue arms war lol. We are happy this season.
swift tinsel
so you coup faster to get mor flawless form stacks for 2nd sectech
rustic mortar
Ja Ur Video already uploaded?
solemn creek
Do we do that every 1min 30? Or just opener
hazy breach
Do we do that every 1min 30? Or just opener
Every 1:30
swift tinsel
you're holding sectech for your flag window when flag's cd is low enough so it should be ready to send as first finisher in first dance
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
dry plank
My m+ grp has always been sub rogue arms war lol. We are happy this season.
W8 for tuning )) things will change rapidly
rustic mortar
Did sone 12-13 keys as sub … Gotta say its a very nice Playstyle
dry plank
Sub best spec in the game
vale pine
most fun one for sure
lofty saffron
Just curious, what is the dps loss that comes with macroing CB with Sectech? A few percent over a fight? Smaller? Thanks
swift tinsel
0.6% iirc
keen dome
Pretty small, comfort reigns
lofty saffron
Pretty small, comfort reigns
Hence the curiosity! Thank you
swift tinsel
unless you're going for more optimized play having them macro'd is totally fine
shell willow
@vale pine I might just be overcomplicating our cleave rotation but with the nimble change i basically just bp in our dance window for dance macrabe stacks and up to 7 targets im just hitting ss and eviscerate
vale pine
you bp on 7+ targets
rustic mortar
Outlaw is also fun when u in the „Flow“ But its missing burst .. sub feels Like 0,0 damage when no Dance is up that Kinda wild
vale pine
under it you just evis
and strike during dance
and storm outside
there is not much min/max outside of spreading ruptures
and if your flawless form drops
you use backstab
shell willow
yeah figured as much
shell willow
kk cool
rugged condor
is there a minimum duration rupture needs to be on a target before it becomes worth to press over evisc?
shell willow
rotten on 2nd proc getting eaten
vale pine
and BP does have a shadow damage part if find weakness is up
void hound
@vale pine is nimble damage still bugged? did it go from 40% (or whatever the bugged amount was) to 60% now?
lofty saffron
Pretty small, comfort reigns
Is the dps loss for evis <30s before burst comparable? B2b ruptures just feels bad
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> is nimble damage still bugged? did it go from 40% (or what...
not buggy
wicked joltBOT
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hazy breach
Is the dps loss for evis <30s before burst comparable? B2b ruptures just feels b...
Not a thing anymore after set nerf
keen dome
Is the dps loss for evis <30s before burst comparable? B2b ruptures just feels b...
I'm afraid I have no idea. I don't think we're doing that anymore though?
Mystery solved!
vale pine
the bug basically says that both rotten stacks will be consumed on a shuriken storm cast
so in order to play around the bug
you strike first
and storm second (both during shadow dance)
outside of dance you always storm
or well similar to before backstab for flawless
hazy breach
Last i checked it wasnt really worth backstabbing for flawless either anymore
Its like +0.1% or somerthing to do it
vale pine
Last i checked it wasnt really worth backstabbing for flawless either anymore
makes things simpler, nice
rugged condor
wait so if nimble flurry drops in keys you wouldnt backstab to get it again? im surprised
shell willow
How are you getting flawless without backstabbing though?
shell willow
yeah true
hazy breach
But like, its up for the vast majority of the time
vale pine
the backstab is already something that does not happen much
granite river
So you’d BP in that scenario
hazy breach
You could ye, but like, it doesnt really matter
shell willow
lol burst window is all that matters
hazy breach
It happens so infrequently that its whatever
granite river
I see
swift tinsel
we cooldown gamers
granite river
Is there any reason to even track flawless form then?
shell willow
coup regens pretty quickly and sectech gives two stacks iirc
i'll sit on it and send a BP or rupture if my dance window is coming up shortly otherwise i'm sending it
void ocean
heh sit on it 😄
vale pine
basically the damage outside of cooldowns is rly low
and we use spells at a lower pacing
alpine wraith
there is no reason to stab instead of storm so kinda staying at 3 if possible is kinda cool to have
so next dance is sec tech strike coup
big dick dmg
shell willow
well that lessens the cognitive load just storm and bp until dance window
spread ruptures
shell willow
lol I was doing all kind of shenanigans. I had a weak aura that indicated number count of enemy mobs so it would display an icon to bp or eviscerate
full wyvern
I was actually curious what subs APM is and its like top 33% of specs it looks like. according to simulationcraft we're at 60 APM. Assa is 50 and Combat is top with 86 lol
hazy breach
The thing about sub is that we do practically nothing outside cds
topaz cipher
Idk what it’s like next season I didn’t do any PTR gaming. But even this season I really didn’t BP much. Every pack had a prio target
hazy breach
And tons of off-gcd buttons in cooldowns
topaz cipher
And played all my keys with an UH DK
clever delta
just play DS a BP for prio target
solemn creek
At 2 target boss (i.e council) we dont change anything?
turbid prairie
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
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hazy breach
The only thing you change from pure ST at 2, 3, 4,5 or 6 targets is that we build with shuriken storm outside of shadow dance
instead of backstab
solemn creek
Shuriken at 2 target. I see
hexed dagger
where exactly are you guys pressing transmitter in the opener? I have it macrod to flag right now but if I need to go chase the orb sometimes I feel like the timing gets thrown off
solemn creek
Bp at 7 in s.d . And outside of dance spread rupture and whatever
solemn creek
Rupture>bp tho. ? No?
hazy breach
Well if you need to refresh it ye
solemn creek
Yaya. For refresh purpose
topaz cipher
just play DS a BP for prio target
DS is certainly more tolerable as sub than SIN. But my group does not need more mass aoe. It needed prio. I didn’t mind. I prefer playing that role in keys, always have.
solemn creek
Sry i was kinda vague
hazy breach
DS is certainly more tolerable as sub than SIN. But my group does not need more ...
Disagree, i definitely dislike it more as sub
The mark is less problematic for sure
But its got some other sus stuff
wispy zephyr
if u have coup up outside of dance, do we send BP/ruptures just to get it in dance?
still
hazy breach
nah send coup
viral phoenix
where exactly are you guys pressing transmitter in the opener? I have it macrod ...
macro'd to flag, orb is the most annoying but the other two options (jump/platform) line up beautifully right before sec tech
solemn creek
With the recent buff to trickster. Is it safe to say trickster is ahead even in s.t? Or close enough
hazy breach
trickster st, like pin says
hexed dagger
macro'd to flag, orb is the most annoying but the other two options (jump/platfo...
yeah figured that the was the best way
topaz cipher
The mark is less problematic for sure
You would definitely know more than me. I was on mage most of this season. I don’t like it on either to be fair. But loathed it on SIN haha
hazy breach
Theres some very cursed aoe tech as deathstalker
Where you actively try to avoid proccing darkest night
Because DN eviscerate does significantly less damage than BP on aoe
And its bugged so whenever the DN buff is up you dont get the mark damage, so you cant just ignore it
stoic flower
nah send coup
Oh sweet! So no more playing around coup? If SoD/SD were back in 25sec I’d just BP/rupture to preserve coup so I could hit it in SD window
fathom sequoia
!guide
vestal escarp
significantly more ethical
hazy breach
Oh sweet! So no more playing around coup? If SoD/SD were back in 25sec I’d just ...
Dont need to anymore no
void hound
Last i checked it wasnt really worth backstabbing for flawless either anymore
so its just storm bp regardless of target count?
hazy breach
Just wastes too many unseen blades
stoic flower
Waaaay easier
hazy breach
so its just storm bp regardless of target count?
I mean its like 4 globals or something
valid vault
!wa
hazy breach
Flawless lasts for most of the downtime anyway
But yes its technically better to bp when flawless isnt up
But the downtime is so short and infrequent that it practically doesnt matter
void hound
makes sense
vestal escarp
@hazy breach any data about thousands cuts buff?
hazy breach
Rppm went from 4 to 4.5
stoic flower
But yes its technically better to bp when flawless isnt up
So no more evisc on AoE (unless form is already up and you don’t have to fish for it).
Just storm + BP like in the early DF days
stoic flower
I love it. Outside CD we can basically do whatever we want, just press buttons lmao
twilit phoenix
Yeah outside cds I’ll be sounding
uneven scarab
tulip trail
Sounding out words to increase your vocabulary I'm going to assume. Anything else would be a sin.
shell willow
@twilit phoenix titan main hero leave Cayde be.
kind bluff
Where did they confirm no m0 today?
swift tinsel
Blizz EU CS twitter account
teal prawn
Where did they confirm no m0 today?
stoic flower
I think we’re just questing and capping valorstones this week
swift crest
u missed the 5 hour long training dummy sessions
kind bluff
Ty haptics
swift crest
why is there a deathstalkers mark icon
swift tinsel
can you still farm wax globs for stones
swift crest
is the alc trinket good for sub
uneven scarab
can you still farm wax globs for stones
Think so
not that its very efficient but u can
uneven scarab
Ye
shell willow
do we have a compendium of cloak able and feint-able abilities for the raid yet?
swift crest
aweful stuff
swift crest
do we have a compendium of cloak able and feint-able abilities for the raid yet?
thatd be sick
and for dungeons too
was there even one for last tier
someone said that everyone was to cba to do it
shell willow
haha
basically trial and error in the raid and dungeons but if someone already documented it not gonna reinvent the wheel
shell willow
that just tells you if you will survive 1 shots based on key level and vers
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml# im just going through the abilities and seeing if they are aoe or not my buddies have this for spell reflect and block
shell willow
our tc's are great in here as well
hazy breach
It wasnt a spreadsheet but i wrote down pretty much all of the relevant feint/evasion/cloakable things down in the m+ section of the icy veins guid
Practically nobody cared about it
shell willow
lol i care deeply
swift crest
our tc's are great in here as well
the last convo on this matter involved the need for money to do it
iirc
swift crest
Practically nobody cared about it <:shrugeg:1115674346120294591>
i would have
orchid sand
!fuu
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swift crest
the big things are probably obvious but its the minor cheesy things that im interested in
shadowstepping stuff on queen for example
the pulls
uneven scarab
Cant do much of that until people have really played the raid
lilac stag
Practically nobody cared about it <:shrugeg:1115674346120294591>
People would have to actually play the class.
hazy breach
Fair fair
uneven scarab
Give it another 2 weeks itll be back to 5 people in here
lilac stag
If you made a hunter guide as good as the sub rogue guide on YT you’d have so many more views
uneven scarab
uneven scarab
It’d be lonely otherwise
tribal marsh
trickster or deathstalker for the dungeons in s2 m+?
keen dome
stuck with me for another tier. <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
Sounds like a good time to me.
keen dome
We're totally getting a poison toggle in 11.2
tribal marsh
right, I did click the pins but said there was nothign there, now there is all of a sudden. Lol.
hollow spear
We're totally getting a poison toggle in 11.2
My money is on you dreaming of that feature in 12.0 still
keen dome
Probably.
uneven scarab
I would love a sticker for it
Would be epic
hollow spear
But I commend you keeping your spirits up 😄
keen dome
Never going to give up until we have it and then I'll find something else to be dumb about.
hollow spear
At least you weren't as delusional as some others who really thought we'd get away with not getting nerfed before the patch hit 
shell willow
Lol 30% dmg increase no copium here
lilac stag
we’re not even close to truly pumping
but idk. Eleem has 
I’ll hold judgment until start
When they destroy transmitter
keen dome
Sub is going to be real good this tier, imo. Not meta, but very strong as it always is. Probably better in keys than S1.
hollow spear
I truly have no clue about relative class performance right now
keen dome
That's my gut feeling and guess, anyway
hazy breach
but idk. Eleem has <:copium:854628182104080414>
I dont think we'll do top pure ST damage no
lilac stag
Dagger specs are bottom 30% of “st sims”
hollow spear
I only hear arms is pumping. And that mage is giga in keys.
hazy breach
But i think the burst we are doing is useful anyway
lilac stag
No doubt, just lack of ST is worrysome
hazy breach
Like we'll be helpful to the raid because the way we do damage, not because the damage we do is huge
lilac stag
always felt like the rogue niche
keen dome
There's multiple amp phases this tier, right?
hollow spear
Were st sims ever really that close to actual raid performance?
acoustic lodge
Niche, in what way?
keen dome
And a whole lot of cleave iirc, so that's nice.
lilac stag
There's multiple amp phases this tier, right?
One 2 min one, first boss. 
uneven scarab
Doggo picts as well. There are 2 in this one.
lilac stag
so kinda whatever
keen dome
Ye
hollow spear
Doesn't sin sim even worse than sub rn?
lilac stag
He(?) shows nicely on the blanket
hollow spear
Haven't checked that yet
lilac stag
Doesn't sin sim even worse than sub rn?
Yes. They at least have 2 execute phases on bosses that matter
uneven scarab
He(?) shows nicely on the blanket
hollow spear
So they sim worse but have execute?
lilac stag
worse is relative
hollow spear
Of course
lilac stag
We’re both dumpster
keen dome
Team rogue
lilac stag
2.56 and 2.52?
uneven scarab
Honestly might be alt arms or mage time
keen dome
By our powers combined, we're 5m
uneven scarab
Just not sure which flavor to pick
hollow spear
Are other melee that far ahead?
uneven scarab
Its really just warrior
keen dome
I think Warrior is up around 2.9?
uneven scarab
Big outlier
hollow spear
Can't imagine them not getting clapped tbh
lilac stag
My fury warrior, 4 ilvl lower sims higher ST than my rogue with a queen aoe talent build
hollow spear
Warriors always on that high to get kicked in the balls last minute
uneven scarab
that 5% wasnt nearly enough
just gonna make them feel worse when they kick em again
hollow spear
Aye
lilac stag
the shit part is they flattened everything on fury and now capstones are useless
Arms as well, but arms is juiced execute and 2T as well
hollow spear
If they leave warrior as is, rwf will become quite hilarious
hollow spear
Which means after week 2, they're going to get gutted
lilac stag
All three mage specs are good
uneven scarab
I would be fine with that if they didnt also bring us down a notch while warrior is 800k above us
lilac stag
Both dk specs good
uneven scarab
I wanna play fire/frost
lilac stag
enhance still doing enhance things
uneven scarab
I really enjoyed big gs frost in dragonflight
lilac stag
We got nerfed, assa got bleed aoe and outlaw a 6% buff.
hollow spear
Realz is a real one
lilac stag
That patch post is hilarious. I think the intro paragraph is longer than all the rogue notes
lilac stag
Realz is a real one
He’s on Havoc arc
swift tinsel
buff our whole kit 70%, call us black powder
lilac stag
that sounds racist
hollow spear
I'm still coping they'll do another round of balance changes
keen dome
Absolutely will imo
swift tinsel
(but don't buff black powder anymore)
keen dome
Will we get any? Who knows.
hollow spear
Not sure what data they'd base that on but
keen dome
But I am betting two whole gold on a big tuning pass on the 4th
swift tinsel
yeah they'll throw out half-cooked balance changes after the race
hollow spear
Hope dies last
lilac stag
we’re going to get a buff that offsets the destruction of transmitter. So net zero gain
and a BP buff
keen dome
And then probably another tuning pass on the 2/3rd week of the season
hollow spear
Transmitter is what keeps us alive rn haha
lilac stag
because deathstalker isn’t played.
swift tinsel
good, let it die
or they can buff it like precise cuts for outlaw so it looks cool but we don't take it
lilac stag
We’re not seeing anything until midnight
swift tinsel
nah maybe 11.1.5 we get something about changes SoonTm
just dangle a carrot until 12.0
"We just remembered yall exist so we're having some kindergarteners tell us their favorite ninja moves and you'll get those"
uneven scarab
Really a massive missed opportunity if we dont get cool stuff in midnight
hearty girder
!sims
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
keen dome
We’re not seeing anything until midnight
I'm half agreeing with that. I still think there's a chance but.. With the way it's all gone? 11.1 would've been a good rework point but, nope.
So we'll have to see.
velvet linden
Does anyone have a Internal Weakaura for Fazed being procced by backstab and shadowstrike ?
lilac stag
just dangle a carrot until 12.0
Just dangling the string, no carrot, and it looks like a noose.
swift tinsel
and they help us slip it on
lilac stag
they fixed RS!
It’s not live yet
swift tinsel
Yep, plus a few other things
keen dome
It’s not live yet
Isn't US up?
uneven scarab
They definitely know we exist considering the rs/blades fixes
swift tinsel
Nope not for like 2.5 hours
keen dome
Damn.
swift tinsel
unless they extend it
lilac stag
nA beta test maybe starts in 2.5 hours
keen dome
I can't believe someone went on the internet and lied to me that it was up.
Who would do such a thing
uneven scarab
swift tinsel
They definitely know we exist considering the rs/blades fixes
they couldn't be bothered to tell anyone about them though
hazy breach
Does anyone have a Internal Weakaura for Fazed being procced by backstab and sha...
Its not possible to track it
So no unfortunately
The resets from Thousand Cuts cannot be tracked
uneven scarab
they couldn't be bothered to tell anyone about them though
Not documenting it is kinda crazy ngl seems even passive aggressive 
swift tinsel
Not documenting it is kinda crazy ngl seems even passive aggressive <:CAUGHT:119...
Yeah, especially with the quantity of bugs they fixed too
if it was one or two, sure whatever
uneven scarab
Like ugh fine we fixed ur shit
swift tinsel
but its like 9
swift tinsel
two of which were quite large
keen dome
They don't post a lot of bug fixes, though. Like, it makes sense they wouldn't but it would'v ebeen nice if they did
manic bison
Hey mates, do we prep stuff before going into new pulls? Like Dumping CPs because we almost Always Start with Strike?
swift tinsel
people literally quit the spec over RS bug
worthy relic
they feel shame to have that many unfixed bugs, so they didnt document them and pretend they never existed
swift tinsel
so throwing that in the notes would be big
keen dome
It would, yep
hazy breach
Hey mates, do we prep stuff before going into new pulls? Like Dumping CPs becaus...
Sure just pop a bp or snd before stealthing and going into a new pull
lilac stag
Not documenting it is kinda crazy ngl seems even passive aggressive <:CAUGHT:119...
I think part of it is ego part of it is time. I’m a little convinced one of the devs doesn’t want to actually admit mistakes have impacted anything. Just a vibe with our lack of notes.
hazy breach
It doesnt matter that much, byt why not
keen dome
But I don't think there's malice behind it. Or anything, really. It's just how they push bug fixes.
swift tinsel
lil extra cdr and then don't waste premed buff
uneven scarab
I think part of it is ego part of it is time. I’m a little convinced one of the ...
Yeah ive kinda felt the same
i can believe that
lilac stag
some people really struggle with seeing mistakes listed
slate lantern
lilac stag
like I try to help fuu with some of the guide proofing. I’ll dm it most of the time, unless it’s really good for a laugh.
uneven scarab
I really appreciate the clear communication
keen dome
Valid 
hazy breach
The shadow parts of rupture from replicating shadows was considered as a "finisher" for shadowcraft
swift tinsel
It also invites the "why don't you fix xyz?!?!?"
lilac stag
I can at least give him one stupid American that can try to translate what intent was in text
hazy breach
So you could get refunds mid gcds
keen dome
It also invites the "why don't you fix xyz?!?!?"
I'd also say that, for the vast majority of players, they won't even know it's an issue.
swift tinsel
In some cases, sure
lilac stag
I'd also say that, for the *vast majority* of players, they won't even know it's...
Duh. Look at sub’s playrate.
slate lantern
So you could get refunds mid gcds
oh my god thats what that was, ive barely played this spec for a week and hated when i was getting a refund without any reason and messing me up
swift tinsel
I think the vast majority of sub players are in this conversation lmao
keen dome
oh my god thats what that was, ive barely played this spec for a week and hated ...
Good news: it's hopefully fixed!
keen dome
I think the vast majority of sub players are in this conversation lmao
lmao, yeah
worthy relic
coup one is just a slight delay tho, rupture would be mid builder
swift crest
im going to master sub by days end and will be the one asnwering the questions
hazy breach
coup one is just a slight delay tho, rupture would be mid builder
The last tick of coup is 1s after the initial hit so its about the same but ye
lilac stag
I wonder if coup will change with the removal of the charge. I didn’t notice it on ptr
swift tinsel
Oh yeah, rupture one was quite tilting a lot of the time
lilac stag
but the rupture is painfully obvious
keen dome
Ye it rules
upper narwhal
RS bug made you feel like you were playing wrong such an annoying bug
keen dome
Some very needed change / fixes so, small positives.
lilac stag
I think this week I farm transmitter toy
uneven scarab
It was super tilting being in dance and getting that refund only for it to be 5cp and not 7
worthy relic
The last tick of coup is 1s after the initial hit so its about the same but ye
yea true, but it def happens way less, u have to get a sht prock just at the right time right?
keen dome
That's a good idea, Scath
swift tinsel
I'm a big surprised they didn't take on Mark bug since they tackled some of our biggest bugs
but it might just be too spaghetti atm
hazy breach
yea true, but it def happens way less, u have to get a sht prock just at the rig...
Ye if you go to 7 sht mid coup
shell willow
Arent s1 items now locked at the item level they were prior to season launch?
upper narwhal
They are not working on mark bug because they are working on hero talent reworks
dry plank
Peak of shit development is to create an coup bug, make people suffer for entire season and than fix it so people are happy “we don’t get changes but at least coupe charge gone and RS bug fixed after 2 years”
swift tinsel
@shell willow I think so, I think you can only catalyze them
bc you can't get marks to upgrade them
keen dome
Peak of shit development is to create an coup bug, make people suffer for entire...
The charge wasn't a bug, though.
dry plank
Many thanks or they could just remove RS like dust
lilac stag
Peak of shit development is to create an coup bug, make people suffer for entire...
Idk. Peak was not finishing the rework.
downhill since then
Random win
dry plank
But then need a replacement omg too much work
lilac stag
Now coasting
shell willow
Stuck with my heroic 626 transmitter ggs
swift tinsel
us mid-10.2 ptr
keen dome
I'd personally rather just look at the positives 'cos there's enough negative stuff. We can't change it either, so. Let's just blast'n stab
keen dome
Stuck with my heroic 626 transmitter ggs
I only have a normal one. 