subtlety

[hazy breach]

Theres always something to do doom about

If you are so inclined

[lilac stag]

Did you happen to figure out why the overrides were off?

[hazy breach]

No, but part of it is they buffed enchants

[lilac stag]

Was wondering if that was it. Depths looked big

[molten citrus]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

https://youtu.be/5a9E3n_VZRQ?si=yTUMsrIpUDv4fM1Q&t=33 if we're gonna doom, we're gonna doom right

[keen dome]

Yeah, 48% per stack at Q3 is pretty wild.

[lilac stag]

Oh shit they buffed the crafted dagger

I think we waste a spark and try it.

[hazy breach]

Ye and have it hit a mob thats immune 40 yards away instead of the boss

[lilac stag]

Hahah classic. It’s perfect.

Reminder. Gamba tier

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-12686883553708718330

[steel zinc]

like the embelishment dagger?

You sure?

or its a meme

[molten citrus]

yes they buffed stiletto or w/e it's called

[lilac stag]

Yes that’s the blacksmith dagger

[lilac stag]

It’s wasn’t far behind before. But it can be a bit rng

[keen dome]

That'd be interesting..

[lilac stag]

Why did they buff DK. Was already cranking.

seesh

[keen dome]

Captured Starlight lol

[molten citrus]

i'm def not complaining about dk buffs, but that's my favorite alt

beginning of s1 unholy was broken i knocked out the dk elite set fast

[lilac stag]

Their tuning levers are more odd than normal

[molten citrus]

yeah

[keen dome]

The dagger gets buffed by the Nerubian thing, right?

[random hare]

@vale pine radiant power still best in season 2?

or mastery one for keys?

[steel zinc]

any idea how good it is now?

[lilac stag]

Probably 7% better

[steel zinc]

KEKW

[tribal blade]

just the issue of it hitting something that's not worth hitting

then it's basically useless

[lilac stag]

I’ll try to make one and mess with it

[digital zodiac]

quick question, Deathstalker ST, Im using the clear the witness procs outside of dance only or in dance too?

[tribal blade]

not in symbols

basically

[tribal blade]

a bunch of WA packs (like LEs) have the conditions built into using CtW

so it'll only show the icon when you can cast it (for sub outside symbols)

[random hare]

when are they gonna fix 1 hour tricks

it literally doesnt work at all

[fallow nimbus]

It's working

[tribal blade]

it definitely sometimes doesn't work

[random hare]

ye

doesnt work

half the times ur just fked

for ptr that is i didnt try live

[fallow nimbus]

Never had that problem but i regularly just recast tricks

[tribal blade]

even on retail i've had weird things happen with it

[random hare]

even kush is complaining about it

he swapped to don't be suspicious

[fallow nimbus]

Maybe you guys aren't trickster enough

[keen dome]

I'm still wondering if it's just doing something funky with how quickly you go into dance and not handling it ight. It's such a janky and weirdly setup ability

[vale pine]

i did not sim for dungeon slice yet

[random hare]

How is it on st

[vestal escarp]

Im very confident 1hr tricks works in raid

For ansurek adds

[vale pine]

2,569 -> 2,553

so less than 1% diffrence

[molten citrus]

thanks, not bad at all

[vale pine]

i did use the old apl from s1

for the new sim

so maybe there is a few small optimizations we can do

means the nerf is kinda same as before

just that our burst is a lot worse

[hazy breach]

Have you had the issue even when not applying a new tricks

[thin lion]

Less burst but more consistent dps ?

[random hare]

Idk honestly

I just barely get aggro because the tanks I play with are good

So I can’t tell when it does work and when it doesn’t

Brb food

[vale pine]

yes kind of

[steel zinc]

Depending on fight I think you still want to go into your cds with high stacks

I think 1 boss has a dmg amp phase

Also did they adjust wax?

[thin lion]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[vale pine]

probably not

[clever delta]

Wowhead with all the new juice when

[patent crystal]

wax scales with weapon ilvl right?

[vale pine]

next week, so probably monday or tuesday

but also not much changes now

because the tier set optimizations are not worth it anymore after the nerf

[clever delta]

But ppl keep saying we play depths now

The ench

[tulip gorge]

We don’t do the rupture thing anymore?

[vale pine]

no

[tulip gorge]

God bless

[vale pine]

but give us some days to see if we find some new strategies

[thin lion]

Gambling aaaalll the way buddy

[tribal blade]

you don't HAVE to, but if there's an important moment coming up and cds are coming up too would still be worth prob

[tulip gorge]

Altho it’s probably worth in m+ when moving from pack to pack

[tribal blade]

yah you just stop sending BP when pack is almost dead

[mighty citrus]

before season ends, i wanna do zekvir ??. can it be done solo as a rogue?

[tribal blade]

yes

[lilac stag]

yes

[vale pine]

yes, easiest is on outlaw but sub works too

if you have good gear, should be no problem

just bring some time

[lilac stag]

other clssses are a bit easier. Outlaw has it the easiest of the 3 rogue specs

[mighty citrus]

whats the best for healing myself? brann i guess?

[tribal blade]

it's not that bad if you have decent gear and half a brain

[molten citrus]

You can do Zekvir in a group?

[upper narwhal]

Bran's healing pots will keep you alive

[lilac stag]

No

[vale pine]

give bran the healing poition power

[vale pine]

you can

[lilac stag]

Achieves are solo

[vale pine]

but the achivement is for solo

so

[molten citrus]

Ahh okay

[lilac stag]

What rogue has 1/2 a brain?

[tribal blade]

most of the fight is making sure the heal is kicked and not getting hit by stuff

and killing the add that's spawning

[tribal blade]

i have half a brain 😉

[lilac stag]

You’re playing rogue. Doubt

[tribal blade]

haha

true i'm not playing the lighty up button specs

[mighty citrus]

do you remember what talents you gave bran?

[tribal blade]

uhhh it's the one that gives extra vials

[lilac stag]

there’s a guide on icy and wowhead. I would consider reading over those

[vale pine]

and hope bran does not reset the encounter

[tribal blade]

the healing vials

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[vale pine]

not that that happened to me

[lilac stag]

don’t tricks. lol

[vale pine]

would be wild if lets say it happened like 8 or 9 times to a rogue player trying to beat him

[tribal blade]

the most fustrating thing is he's part rng with what he uses

so sometimes you just get fucked

[lilac stag]

vanish is the bigger issue

[vale pine]

you vanish the slow, thats the problem

[lilac stag]

if he’s dead and pet is webbed you just reset boss

[tribal blade]

you can also run DS

because killing the egg could be a problem with trickster

[lilac stag]

Killing Spree outlaw is the way to go imo

[tribal blade]

just need to make sure you can have DN for when the thing spawns

i saw someone linking they ran x2 vanish charges as sub for it

but they didn't run supercharger then

which is omega cringe

[lilac stag]

yea.

You don’t need dps. You need to get rid of the dot

[tribal blade]

BUT if you dps him faster you deal with less mechanics 😉

i just went full tilt dps

M+ brain

"more dps will fix the problem"

[mighty citrus]

thats what i will do now

lets see how hard i get smacked

😄

[lilac stag]

400 pulls later

Why can’t I kill him?

[tribal blade]

the main annoying thing is depending on the mechanics you get in what order it won't feel fair

just go again

like he'll pop the egg in a corner or cubby and then immediately aim his frontal directly on it

and it's like "really dude"

"why you gotta be like that"

but it really wasn't that bad after all the horror stories i heard about it

just took a bit to get down

[lilac stag]

let’s see how much money I waste on this dagger. kekw

[deep adder]

does anyone have the symbols macro, that u only use 1 charge

[keen dome]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[random hare]

@vale pine

am i playing radiant power or

on s2

[hollow condor]

is there a list of DC commands pls?

[tribal blade]

could do the thing of running 1 depths 1 radiant power

best of both worlds

[vale pine]

there is !help but i think its not up to date

[lilac stag]

Power only got the dmg buffed. Not the stats so w/e

[tribal blade]

true, but radiant power will still be better in aoe i think

[vale pine]

authory of depth sims highest, but unsure if the enchant update is already in sims

for dungeon slice, moment

[hazy breach]

Its in simc

[tribal blade]

it's actually a bit weird they didn't buff the main stat on radiant power

or is it

[vale pine]

perfect

[steel zinc]

yeah but by how much. If you gain so much st

[steel zinc]

according to pn they didnt

[tribal blade]

yeah who knows

that's why i think if you have choice paralysis you can just run x1 of each

[molten citrus]

no agi procs got buffed afaik

[lilac stag]

if you plan on assa at all likely just stay power

[tribal blade]

issue with radiant power is it's also rng

depths has basically 0 rng

[hazy breach]

It does

[molten citrus]

why

[tribal blade]

oh does it?

[hazy breach]

If it falls of it will reset its stack

Like it stacks up to 3 right

[tribal blade]

ahhh i see

[molten citrus]

it can also crit

[hazy breach]

And it takes a while to ramp

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[vale pine]

power for dungeon slice from a quick sim

[lilac stag]

It’s still stronger than depths for assa

[tribal blade]

i'm not surprised

[molten citrus]

not in ST

[tribal blade]

mainstat on aoe is big

[lilac stag]

We’re talking slice

[molten citrus]

but once there's more targets i'm sure ye

oh

[swift tinsel]

Dang i was hoping I’d wake up and it was all a dream

[hazy breach]

Seems like BP = Evis at 6 targets now

[tribal blade]

oh it's way lower than i thought it would be

it seems like it scales with 1 target per 10%

[shy orbit]

what does sub use, trick or deathstalker?

[swift tinsel]

Nimble bugs gotta get sorted out

[tribal blade]

depends on the situation

trickster is heavily preferred by most sub rogues

more cdr and less toxic gameplay

[lilac stag]

Stiletto still behind Ascendance. boo

[shy orbit]

for both raids/m+?

[lilac stag]

Yes

[tribal blade]

DS is technically more ST dps in raid

[lilac stag]

Fuck deathstalker

[tribal blade]

but both trees work in all content

[lilac stag]

Play assa at that point.

[tribal blade]

(i just play trickster everywhere and it works fine)

[shy orbit]

is it like a 1% difference?

[lilac stag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

not sure the %, but if you look at logs you can see the difference with actual numbers

-3.58% simmed it looks like

[tribal blade]

oh i'm not actually sure if we're talking right now or for next season

[vale pine]

oh sry

[tribal blade]

i just assumed it was for this season

[vale pine]

thats diffrent between yesterday/today with nerfs

not deathstalker vs. trickster

[tribal blade]

no no it's good, you made me realize i might be giving info for the wrong timeframe

[tribal blade]

ahhh yeah cool cool 🙂

[tribal blade]

do we have numbers on what trickster vs ds looks like after these changes?

i'm hoping the buffs to trickster are enough to make it still ahead

[swift tinsel]

We ditching finality now?

From tier nerf and 100% buff to builder crit dmg talent

[vale pine]

moment

ne don't anymore

[lilac stag]

My jank sims. Tricksters is still -2.2% ahead

[vale pine]

we now back to s1 talents

again

[swift tinsel]

Ah, figured. Thanks!

[tribal blade]

WOOO

[upper plinth]

Quick question. If I get ST back off CD around 20s before Flag my understanding is that i hold ST for 20s right?

[keen sinew]

Anyway to know what the patch changes do to ptr damage?

[swift tinsel]

It’ll be nice for strike crits but I don’t love losing burst for builder dmg

[vale pine]

> Sim Link<

2%

[tribal blade]

NICE

oh this is the first time in a while we're using tier helm

[lilac stag]

heroic transmitter still holding strong against mythic cards.

[tribal blade]

disgusting

[lilac stag]

i did my 4 pugs again. maybe lucky with mythic in vault

[keen dome]

Too bad heroic transmitter doesn't exist

[tribal blade]

dw they're gonna shoot transmitter and spymasters again sometime into next season

[vale pine]

its a bit worse now, but ye

from 0.5% to 0.9%

[tribal blade]

there's no way they'll let trinkets from last tier be bis next tier

[keen dome]

I'm sure in five months time I'll be going: "Too bad heroic house of cards doesn't exist"

[swift tinsel]

Might have your first dinar by then!

[keen dome]

The light at the end of the tunnel. Bracketless HoC

The dream

[jaunty heath]

Did they fix secret tech 4pc interaction in that build btw?

[swift tinsel]

Nope

[vale pine]

its ironically on the same waypoint

6th/8 boss

[keen dome]

Yeah, haha

[lilac stag]

It beats a maxed out hero 6/6 house of cards

[jaunty heath]

It’s definitely a Feature at this point

[steel zinc]

@vale pine how much dps is that? Like 4% of our dps?

[proven plover]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lilac stag]

But we’re are the minority of giga maxing the translitter

[swift tinsel]

Sectech has like a 800k variance

[jaunty heath]

I was about to ask, do new sims account for it working or no?

[swift tinsel]

With full stacks

[vale pine]

the sim does not include the bug

[lilac stag]

Assa tier it is!

[hazy breach]

No, its way less now that the tier is nerfed

[lilac stag]

We back!

[keen sigil]

[flint furnace]

Assuming no bugs do we have the numbers on how much of a dps change the patch was yet

[steel zinc]

yeah ik but what is your best guess? 😄

[lilac stag]

gimme some feels fuu

No hard numbers

[steel zinc]

ok any guesses? 😄

[lilac stag]

Just the feels

[hazy breach]

Idk like 1% maybe

[steel zinc]

ohhh

ok thats w/e

they wont fix it I assume then

[hollow spear]

Do I understand correctly that we lost 2.5% st dps? Why does reading our discord feel like we lost 25%?

[lilac stag]

My initial sims this morning were getting close to arms warrior sims, then I realized I simmed the toon that had 730 ilvl tier set on.

[hollow spear]

Isn't arms still giga stronk rn?

[steel zinc]

yes

[swift tinsel]

Because we lost a hefty amount of burst

[leaden prairie]

why

does tricks

not work

at all

[lilac stag]

yeah. We’re 50 ilvls behind it

tldr

[swift tinsel]

And losing burst as a pure burst spec feels bad

[hollow spear]

Meh, they'll definitely tune stuff some more

[lilac stag]

BP buff 30% and done

[swift tinsel]

‘Definitely’

[lilac stag]

[hazy breach]

Getting more damage on our rupture and backstabs while losing damage on eviscerate and sectech is not peak sub

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it’s their choices of what they tune that worries me

[lilac stag]

outlaw would do more with a rupture buff

[hollow spear]

Yeah the changes were definitely a miss. Feels like realz has no clue what sub is about.

[tepid trellis]

cuz they removed the fun, nobody that actively enjoys sub, likes it when burst is getting neutered or when they swap dmg away from finishers and put it into builders

[vale pine]

what the changes did was basically move damage from burst to baseline

but that happened a lot in the past too

its not a new thing

it is a easy way to control damage profiles

[hazy breach]

Its more healthy for the game but before this change i felt like sub was going to be strong regardless of tuning, just because the burst was so insane. Now its a solid spec if the tuning is good

[lucid jackal]

Sub is still like, the burst spec

It's not like they removed burst

THey lowered it

[hollow spear]

But even with the loss to our burst, our burst will still be very high vs other classes

[lucid jackal]

I feel like sub still has the highest burst damage in the game

[tepid trellis]

and finally having a tierset that actively made you make rotation decision was a very welcome change

but i guess we dont deserve that either

[patent crystal]

nope

[swift tinsel]

Hey we almost got to move a talent point too

[hollow spear]

Dunno if I'd call that "rotation decision"

[hazy breach]

Outside of BL for sure, dont think so during BL

[vale pine]

tbh the nimble change

[lilac stag]

It was a decision. Do I or don’t I gamba.

[vale pine]

means we probably move bp to 6+

form 5+

[jaunty heath]

Woooow

[lilac stag]

What else do you call that? lol

[vale pine]

rotational change

!!

[hazy breach]

But either way, sub still got good burst. Just not insane burst

[hollow spear]

Before the change everyone said it's almost no difference. We basically replaced two evis with two ruptures.

[lucid jackal]

I think that has more to do with haste being bad for the spec than it does anything else but yeah

[tepid trellis]

pretty sure arcane and Udk beats it now

[lilac stag]

they buffed dk for whatever reason

[hollow spear]

I tried dk, it feels too wheelchair. Not an option for me 😅

[swift tinsel]

I like higher ceilings over higher floors

[tepid trellis]

they take away our burst, but they are fine with Fury warriors being able to ABSOLUTELY SMITE all adds within 20 yards range

[lucid jackal]

Guys I'm gonna be honest, I think sub rogue is still good

[tepid trellis]

it is

im just mad

[hollow spear]

Me too

[swift tinsel]

It’s good, yeah, but could be great

[lucid jackal]

I also think that sub rogue is still the best burst rogue spec to play

[hazy breach]

Ye but its less fun

[lilac stag]

Need to play a spec with more than 100 logs to be allowed to have stuff like that.

[hollow spear]

I told you guys that we'd get gutted

[lucid jackal]

What changed to make it less fun

[hazy breach]

Burst is fun'

[hollow spear]

Everybody coped the hell out of the situation

[hazy breach]

More backstab damage is not fun

[swift tinsel]

Big burst is more fun

[lucid jackal]

Okay but like

Is the rotation the same?

Or is it just like, details/simcraft is different

[tepid trellis]

not anymore "technically"

we had some fun stuff rdy

to go absolutely nuclear

it was fun

[hollow spear]

I was happy with sub in 11.0.7 minus the bugs. Now some bugs are gone. It's still a win in my books.

[lucid jackal]

same

[vale pine]

rotation is more or less the same, main change is probably the targets you use bp on on trickster due to the 10% buff to flurry

[lilac stag]

now it’s right back to s1

[hollow spear]

And that's bad?

[swift tinsel]

It’s stale

[lilac stag]

yes. When every other class gets some type of change and improvement

we get gamba

[lucid jackal]

It's like the outlaw channel

Make it stop

Make it stop

[hollow spear]

You guys act like we got a rework and it was taken away lmao

[lilac stag]

Maybe it’s you

don’t like it oh well

[tepid trellis]

i will get mad everytime they shift sub's dmg profile over to cringe shit

and thats not gonna stop

[lilac stag]

We can be upset that the dmg profile gets fucked again

[tepid trellis]

if i wanted that type of dmg profile i wouldnt be playing sub to begin with

[lucid jackal]

How is the damage profile fucked

Its still a burst spec

I dont understand

[tepid trellis]

repeating cycle

[lilac stag]

Guy never upset at flat andy dmg profile. Not once.

[lucid jackal]

Scath are you fucking stupid

Or are you pretending

[lilac stag]

Go steal another mythic lock out

[lucid jackal]

Good one

[lilac stag]

ass

[lucid jackal]

Where is sub rogue becoming Outlaw, flat profile

[tepid trellis]

not fucked, just going a direction that i do not welcome

[lilac stag]

clearly you’re the stupid one if you interpreted it as that

[keen dome]

The 60M SecTec was a fun dream..

[hollow spear]

Really healthy conversation rn

[tepid trellis]

and what i see in the future is the same shit they did to the spec going into SL

[sinful zephyr]

how does 11.1 burst compare to 11.07 burst? Do we have rough numbers to compare?

[lucid jackal]

I know you've always had trouble with reading and understanding words

I don't want sub to become a flat damage spec

Sub isn't a flat damage spec

[hazy breach]

Pretty similar

[lilac stag]

People are upset with the dmg profile changing. You never ever once got upset with dmg profile. Guess I’m mistaken.

[hollow spear]

The pin is not vs 11.0.7

[lilac stag]

[hollow spear]

Afaik

[hazy breach]

No its to the previous ptr version

[hollow spear]

Exactly, that's why I don't agree with a check the pins emote haha

[tepid trellis]

we had a shift in dmg profile comming making us more bursty, they took it away and now we are just back to S1

[hollow spear]

Everybody was quite fine with s1 before ptr hit

[random hare]

dude shaman is still broken lmao

i was playing pure ethical this key tho

[lilac stag]

no. We made it work. Spec still has issues at its base.

[void hound]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[pastel rampart]

this is what happens when they remove shadowy duel.....

[keen dome]

This is what the allure of the big crit does to people. It's why Blizz won't let us have the singular big hit.

[hollow spear]

Scath you were the biggest doomer of all of them here

Not talking about you

[pastel rampart]

they should buff gloomblade by 30%

it fix sub

fr

[keen dome]

And make it baseline

[pastel rampart]

3 point talent

[keen dome]

[hazy breach]

Gloomblade is pretty much unpickable as a talent anyway because of pathing

Since you'd have to give up improved storm

[hollow spear]

I hate gloomblade

So boring

[hazy breach]

So anytime theres ever aoe its shit

[lucid jackal]

Idk I'm still ready for a rogue tier

and the spec is still fun

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid trellis]

anything that isnt Evis, Rupture, sectech or BP should just do no dmg

[pastel rampart]

whispyr said same thing.... u guys planning together or..

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, rogue tier

[lucid jackal]

Well I woudlnt say rogue tier

[jaunty heath]

Rogue tier

[lucid jackal]

But hey

[hollow spear]

In the end it's all about tuning anyways

[keen dome]

Rouge tier

[lucid jackal]

U play 1 rogue for sure

Sub looks good

[dreamy badger]

Make gb baseline, why the fuck foes backstab even exist

[brave moth]

What is that details skin? I want it

[jaunty heath]

I wouldn’t say rogue is undroppable even in a rwf scenario

Depends on bosses

[lucid jackal]

who here is playing rwf

[jaunty heath]

It’s still not a 3% dr

[lucid jackal]

Who the fuck cares about RWF

Any RWF-ers in the chat?

[jaunty heath]

Bro guy ur so cooked

[brave moth]

[jaunty heath]

If irs droppable dr in rwf

[tepid trellis]

rwf no splits

[keen dome]

I do think the way it was looking was really interesting. Way more damage in our burst, more working towards the GIANT burst. That's just a cool niche and building more towards Sub's finisher strengths, etc. The change to more damage outside of it and a reduciton in burst is just.. our non-burst stuff is boring. So that's sad.

[pastel rampart]

gn needs 30% more sub dmg to steal lock out faster

[tepid trellis]

im winning

[keen dome]

I want more big crits

[jaunty heath]

What does it do to lower end ?

Tell pls

[lucid jackal]

Uh idk, we've always played rogue even when rogue is mid

[lilac stag]

Reading is hard.

[lucid jackal]

If ur good at the game u get a raid spot, and rogue isn't enough of a liability to get cut

even in shit rogue tiers like CN rogue still saw play

[tepid trellis]

even when rogue is mid, its just always a solid choice to bring, usually people that play rogue are diehard rogues which does increase the performance somewhat

[lucid jackal]

Was it the first CN kill had a rogue or smthing for world 7th?

[pastel rampart]

omg they should do a fight like SLG again

[jaunty heath]

That’s not argument for the class tho

[pastel rampart]

it was so cool

[jaunty heath]

Being good brings any class

[lucid jackal]

A class seeing play, isn't an argument for the class?

[jaunty heath]

Bro

Okay

[tepid trellis]

class is impossible to die on

[dreamy badger]

There is no argument to be made, because raid meta doesnt exist outside of bring all the buffs

[tepid trellis]

you bring in 1 extra shaman reroll

its on the floor

[jaunty heath]

You being a dk reroll

[pastel rampart]

i can coach u if u like

[jaunty heath]

He lives about the same

[lucid jackal]

I mean idk we've had a lot of "mid rogue tiers" and a lot of guilds just bring a rogue

[jaunty heath]

[lucid jackal]

Like even this tier

Rogue was kinda mid

Even RWF brought a rogue

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/rdj-robert-downey-jr-robertdowneyjr-comiccon-comic-con-gif-7809489789909776017

[jaunty heath]

Point is there’s no up to bringing the class? I would welcome more rogue players

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chill-apt-apt-apt-apt-gif-16505586974465544801

[tepid trellis]

and sub having the odd one out dmg profile with 1min30 cds, brings it niche as well

[jaunty heath]

Instead of relying on „rogue players are kinda good“

[void hound]

caring about raid comps outside WR <10
lol....lmao even

[tepid trellis]

just cover the raid buffs

and random slot the rest

[jaunty heath]

Bro if you read this as a conversation about if I’m going to play rogue because of raid comps it’s just wrong

I‘d like rogue to become more popular

[keen dome]

Same

[vale pine]

you will always being one rogue for atrophic

[lucid jackal]

Until rogue gets an overhaul that dramatically dumbs it down, I don't think that's going to happen

[keen dome]

We need to have a marketing blitz extolling the virtues of how cool Rogue is. We bring atrophic, SubTrick brings no parry for Warriors. We also make use of the Dagger loot drop which nobody else can.

[swift tinsel]

Hey I like my Zero Competition for Weapons perk

[pastel rampart]

sorry prot warrior need dagger for threat

[keen dome]

We never die and look cool doing it

[leaden prairie]

is trickz from trickster not working new or

[swift tinsel]

Sharing a token with warrior, not so much

[hazy breach]

Works on live

[vale pine]

someone mentioned it earlier, maybe a new bug

[leaden prairie]

nice

so they just brokei t

[jaunty heath]

Heavily depends on the boss if it’s useful - ofc for anything outside of very low ilvl kills it wouldn’t matter regardless so you „fill“ the raidbuff, but if you look at how much damage atrophic really negates on some bosses it’s not a lot

[vale pine]

no

literally

the wfr will always bring a rogue due to atrophic

[jaunty heath]

I had it not working on live yday

[hazy breach]

It works on pretty much everything

[vale pine]

you saw it in the last races

rogue can be quite mediocre, and will still see play

[hazy breach]

Like ye you could probably average it down to 3% instead of 3.6%

But its still solid

[steel zinc]

in best case scenario its the hps of like 1/3 of a healer. Which is insane imo. So it negates so much potential damage that needs to be healed.

[keen dome]

I am curious how much the no parry applying to the entire raid is actually worth

[steel zinc]

depends on comp

[swift tinsel]

We run 10+ melee, super worth

[keen dome]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

That doesn’t exist.

[keen dome]

obviously comp is hugely dependant which'd make it really hard to actually estimate but it's a thought I keep having

[lilac stag]

It’s our actual secret tech

[jaunty heath]

Do logs work right in the case of negated damage by spells

I don’t wanna pull up some bs

So I’m asking beforehands

[lucid jackal]

I mean atro is overrated

[hazy breach]

If you do something like this, youll see what it does work on.

So if you put not kyzea you'll see what it doesnt work on

[swift tinsel]

Maybe it’s time to flip the script and I go trickster outlaw for a tier

[steel zinc]

Bro if you die to one killing spree during prog you will just uninstall the game

its so bad ngl

[swift tinsel]

Bet

I see no downside

[steel zinc]

lol

[keen dome]

I suppose a way you could give a rough estimate. A 20-man Mythic comp of every class (and then like, the most popular doubles) and then just see what the variance between trickster / no trickster would be and collate it via that but, lol. Effort

[swift tinsel]

I survived a tier of coup charge unscathed

I welcome the challenge

Remind me to uninstall Details before I do tho

Haven’t really touched outlaw much since Sepulcher

[steel zinc]

bro that was so scuffed I atleast died like 10 times to it

the coup charge was also sth so bad

[keen dome]

priase be the death of coup charge

[steel zinc]

removing that and adding an actual good sound effect to coup is nice

[lucid jackal]

so are we TS or DS gamers this tier

[thin lion]

Trickster i think if u meant this 😄

[swift tinsel]

Trickster still ahead

[hazy breach]

Looks to be trickster still

[lucid jackal]

Wait ur telling me we get to play trickster next tier!?!?

and were upset!?!?

This tier is about to be a movie

[thin lion]

[lucid jackal]

[swift tinsel]

Never switched myself, DS doesn’t exist it can’t hurt me

[void hound]

lowkey the best change

[lucid jackal]

DS was chill but I for sure prefer trickster

[hazy breach]

Was looking like trickster before this change too

[swift tinsel]

Trickster is everything sub should be

[lucid jackal]

Yessir

[hazy breach]

But the buffs to trickster specifically made it so even without tier now, which is nice

[void hound]

its very much on brand

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-американскийпсихопат-кристианбейл-american-psychopath-christian-bale-gif-17867735

[hazy breach]

0.5 higher rppm on the unseen blade reset huge

[swift tinsel]

Now include an aura for when UB chance resets

Make flawless form 5%

[steel zinc]

So pretier and first week trickster is also the play?

[hazy breach]

Prob

[swift tinsel]

Remove Tricks overhead thing so it’s not up for a fucking hour

[hazy breach]

Havent looked at current gear much

[lucid jackal]

Any new quirks the spec has

Or is it literally same rotation and everything

[random hare]

all my UI is from my own self except my plater iis ceverion plater

[steel zinc]

same. I think on some bosses we want to have high stacks for certain phases. Like example first boss has a damange amp

[lilac stag]

Set your killing spree free!

[hazy breach]

I think the only thing is start using bp at 7 instead of 5

[lucid jackal]

I've been sub all of farm, I've been training for this tier

[swift tinsel]

Buff nimble to the point where we BP at >8

[keen dome]

I guess it's going to be a.. substanial tier.

[swift tinsel]

Make blades damage flurry

And not get reduced by armor

[keen dome]

NF should become shadow during blades

[tepid trellis]

did it move up one more now

thought it was 6

[swift tinsel]

I fully support this

[hazy breach]

It was equal at 6

So might aswell not bp

[swift tinsel]

If I didn’t have to regear a bunch and actually get haste I might lol

[lucid jackal]

Play HO

U barely need haste

[swift tinsel]

There’s my in

Will be the only person logging as trickster outlaw lol

[lucid jackal]

Something nice about sub is that if the one armed bandit drops a dogshit vers/mastery ring, it's gonna be only in contention from a sub rogue

[hazy breach]

Ok nvm im cooking some more on this

[swift tinsel]

I’m competing against haste lovers for off-pieces so I’m basically set

Windwalker, fury, idk what bm wants

[lucid jackal]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=228843/miniature-roulette-wheel?bonus=7981 This might be my fav item in awhile

Random 2 stat ring

[hazy breach]

Ye its a great idea

Fits the theme perfectly too

[lucid jackal]

It also, if you didn't know

causes nelfs to always flip

[swift tinsel]

Worth

[frank musk]

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

[hexed sluice]

But can it roll double of a single stat

[digital zodiac]

With trickster in M+ when do you swap from spamming evis to pressin black powder? just more tha 8 targets?

[hazy breach]

5 or more right now

tbd for next patch

[torpid snow]

shuriken+BP if shadowstrike+BP during aoe rotation?

[brisk onyx]

ss+bp i think

[hazy breach]

Both are ss buddy

1 storm, rest strikes per dance

[brisk onyx]

40 strom= 1 ss

lol

[lucid jackal]

on 1-4 target you ss, on 5 or more you ss

[swift tinsel]

I think you mean on 1-4 you ss

[tepid trellis]

trickster is just always strike in dance and 1x storm per dance

[hazy breach]

When you are too far away from your target just SS to them

[lucid jackal]

I forget eleem did u play legion

[hazy breach]

y

[lucid jackal]

When sub rogue teleported on every shadowtsrike

[tepid trellis]

oh gawd

dont remind

[hazy breach]

I didnt play rogue until tomb though so i dont remember that

[torpid snow]

What has greater priority during supercharger loads, shadowtechnik or the coup de grace?

[hazy breach]

Gnome disc priest named eleemo

[tepid trellis]

unfortunately i do

[tepid trellis]

sectech

[pastel rampart]

wait that sounds op?

[hazy breach]

Supercharging coup is completely irrelevant

[pastel rampart]

like in dance?

[lucid jackal]

Hold on

[tepid trellis]

it was a trip to death

[lucid jackal]

Yeah in dance

I gotta show u this clip

[hazy breach]

You get the same amount of damage from supercharging eviscerate as you get from supercharging coup

the +3 combo points are worth literally the same damage either way

But yes you want to always supercharge sectech

[tepid trellis]

the amount of times i got tp'd to the back of a boss with strike and died is too many to what i wanna admit

[pastel rampart]

it sounds miserable in pve but idk infinite shadowsteps on the person ur killing in pvp sounds goated

[molten citrus]

well that's BiS perma

[lucid jackal]

@pastel rampart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbkd9jIE9MQ

[tepid trellis]

yeh apart from sub having 0 burst

so it was just shadowstrikes

and it got gutted pretty fast

[lucid jackal]

PShero would play blindfolded because you could press dance and just instant teleport to people

[pastel rampart]

fof stun made me vomit thanks for reminding me it existed

[lucid jackal]

[tepid trellis]

and you pretty much had perma dance

with env shadow

1.5sec cdr per cp

and 3 charges

[lucid jackal]

[clever delta]

Trisckter gamers

Can't wait

[hazy breach]

Imagine not playing trickster already

[tepid trellis]

i did whip it out on ovinax this week

unfortunately we had too good an AoE group

[lilac stag]

Did you have skyfury this week?

[tepid trellis]

yes!

tahts why i played sub

wouldve gotten a banger on Ansurek this week but i swapped around my focus step macro

and forgot what i keybound it to

which i dont know how was possible

cuz my Step is on E

and the focus step is Shift+E

[shell willow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bright sundial]

are my eyes deceiving me or did we get changes this week? might have voices in my head

[lilac stag]

They’re nerfs

So gg

Changes

[bright sundial]

nooooooo

justified nerfs or nah?

[lilac stag]

tier needed turning. Justified debatable. How they adjusted sucks.

[tepid trellis]

they tried to adjust our dmg profile and it ended up being a 2.5% nerf

[hazy breach]

But hey they buffed authority of the depths by 1.5%

So its only -1% compared to yesterday

[tepid trellis]

love dmg effects

[bright sundial]

lmao wtf

[solemn creek]

But everyone got +1%

Believe blizz will do balance correcly to adjust!

[hazy breach]

Our burst was deemed too strong so it got tuned down a bit, but overall it ended up as a slight nerf

or well, the tier and the burst

[lilac stag]

dbl whammy

[charred ivy]

imagine burst spec being bursty uff biggest sin

[clever delta]

So we play depth ench ?

[bright sundial]

seems ok that tier did look alittle to good on paper lol

[hazy breach]

Yep

[tepid trellis]

did it tho? considering classes simmed 500k more than us with a bonkers tierset

[graceful perch]

Are we still play arround Tier set with the rupture/slice Thingy @hazy breach

[worn crane]

They'll never let a tier set be +30%

[hazy breach]

+-0

[tepid trellis]

there will be cases where that is good to do yes

[swift tinsel]

ngl KS outlaw is kinda fun lol

[hazy breach]

If you want to, if not then dont

[worn crane]

Same as SP

[lilac stag]

This is the real issue.

[bright sundial]

hmm idk really my first expo so I dont have a say really but, im gussing from how many times we can keep max stacks its too good no?

[tepid trellis]

all that matters is the end result not how you really get there

[lilac stag]

When you need 730 ilvl gear to get close to warrior sims. Wtf

[graceful perch]

Okay so since the tset nerf its not that big of a deal, right?

[tepid trellis]

you can have a 50% tier but if you are 25% behind other classes on sim dps even with that, then what is the point?

[charred ivy]

but i think new buffs will come (hopium)

[lilac stag]

Clearly not our daggers. Those are dull.

[swift tinsel]

should buff rupture to compensate

[worn crane]

Sure for us but that's not how they have ever done tier set tuning, they don't let tier set be op except for tanks

[tepid trellis]

also isnt bm tierset literally 30%?

[lilac stag]

Next buff will be gloom blade

[vernal junco]

Actually, I don’t really like the idea of purely waiting for cooldowns before a burst, so nerfing burst and buffing sustained damage is the right

[lilac stag]

Yes

[vernal junco]

The problem is that if burst is nerfed but you still end up waiting around, that’s just stupid.

[tepid trellis]

why wasent their tier nerfed?

[worn crane]

Same happened to enhance for 11.0 they had a 40-50% tier set so they reworked it

[swift tinsel]

not for a spec specifically designed to be a burst spec

[tepid trellis]

they just got slapped with an 8% aura

[vernal junco]

rip dust

[tepid trellis]

so clearly they do allow 30% tiersets

[lilac stag]

Send realz a DM.

[tepid trellis]

just not when its bursty like us

[swift tinsel]

the villain arc has begun

[tepid trellis]

i get why it was nerfed

[lilac stag]

only fury gets melee burst

[tepid trellis]

cuz you could do some unholy stuff with it

[warm marlin]

sp also got the sub treatment

though i think theirs was dmg neutral

[tepid trellis]

but atleast be consistent in the way they apply stuff

[worn crane]

BM is the outlier for how they treat strong tier set, not the opposite

[tepid trellis]

they wont allow sub to be absolutely able to annihilate a mob every 1min30 with pooling dmg for it

but they are fine with fury being able to completely annihilate every add within 20 yards

[tepid trellis]

just shows they dont necessarily care what the %s is on it as long as it doesent break stuff (which sub cds probably could similar to venthyr boomkins)

[lucid jackal]

Fury does literal tank damage on ST so like

I mean fury is OP, but it does a job that same way sub does

[tepid trellis]

it doesent on ptr

[lucid jackal]

Is its ST good now?

[tepid trellis]

it is yeh

they simmed for almost 3.1m

[lucid jackal]

Is it "good st in st build"

or is it "good st in aoe build"

2 very different questions

[tepid trellis]

most of their AoE comes from odins

burst

AoE burst

[random hare]

ele getting pi

[lucid jackal]

Sure but Idk how much of their damage is from st talents is my point

[random hare]

we depleted due to 0.2% missing

rip

[lucid jackal]

Because rn its like, the literal worst ST spec in the game

Not close

[tepid trellis]

yeh on live its not hot

but they got completely overbuffed on ptr

[lucid jackal]

I think it's a bit worse than "not hot"

[worn crane]

Good ST in aoe build if you can believe this gdoc

[lucid jackal]

But I mean yeah fury is OP

[worn crane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=493889490#gid=493889490

The M+ ST for fury is very very high

[kind bluff]

Wonder of those sims are post or pre nerf

[hallow basalt]

it says in the header

[tepid trellis]

it literally says

xD

[lucid jackal]

Its also important to remember sims should primarily be used for relative strength, and not always best to cross reference

[kind bluff]

It says post nerf

I'm reading on a phone while being trapped in a weird angle trying not to wake up a 6 week old sleeping on my chest.

[lucid jackal]

so u lose 300k st in aoe build

I mean that's kind of a lot no

[kind bluff]

Lol

Not I'd ur aoe is doing a bazillion

It's worth the exchange

[lucid jackal]

Well yeah probably

[kind bluff]

You just can't be dogwater st

[lucid jackal]

I'm not saying fury is weak

I mean fury this tier was like, unplayable bad st and it was still probably the most important carry class next to FDK

[hazy breach]

Part of subs strength is being almost full ST talents even in aoe

[lucid jackal]

Sub has a similar niche tbqh. Obviously less so, but we get way more ST in the tradeoff

1:30 OMEGA aoe damage

Like when the tombs on queen had actual DPS requirements, Sub rogue for us ended up being really important for breaking them for us

I suspect sub is gonna be equally valuable in that sense on rik reverb for example

[granite river]

Aladdine strikes again

[lucid jackal]

Who knows when the raid actually gets hard tho

[tepid trellis]

we had a broken ass comp for auto clearing them

so was never an issue for us

[lucid jackal]

Our comp was so dogshit

1 warrior, 1 dk

2 ret, neither were using wake on them (because I could help solo them)

we needed the wake on the shield

Look at this nightmare comp

[tepid trellis]

now imagine if it was 2x pres evoker instead

free'st comp on the planet

wait they still have acess to the reset talent thingy

so who the fuck even needs help in your comp?

the dh?

[lucid jackal]

I literally dont remember

But without my damage on sub for those webs we wouldnt kill the boss without moving shit around

I think it was our healers

Or healer comp was not 2x pres

[tepid trellis]

shamans needs the evoker reset
pala is free + they can help 2 others
hunter is free + can help 1 person
mage is free
lock is free
evoker would need help on non breath ones
DK is free
Rogue is free

so unless you ran like 2x priest healer or smth

[clever delta]

Did the one finality build die

In favor rotten again

[steel zinc]

Like our aoe talents in 11.1 are still the same. Also first dance is omega goated

In m+ it's so nice

Never thought of that. Also still hard to sim that qol

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn ivy]

look this bullshit

https://www.twitch.tv/lashga/clip/ImpartialSpinelessLEDAMPEnergy-lthRmiU0Z5VaHypj

already 2min faster but look what happens

[steel zinc]

Game lag happens.

[worn ivy]

what

this game lag

this is gamebullshit

small india companmy

[fossil trellis]

india did nothing wrong

[steel zinc]

Yeah

[shy orbit]

is sub trickster really that different in aoe vs st?

[swift tinsel]

depending on target count your opener is pretty similar/the same outside of spreading rupture

change 2nd builder in dance to storm

[lilac stag]

No. Just adding BP & rupture conditions and CDs reset faster.

Add Storm as second builder

[round latch]

yeah its garbage

logged to check my stuff,logged out in 10min

right now,unironically,its better to just play classic or another game

[patent crystal]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[shy orbit]

do you always use symbols of death with shadowblades?

[steel zinc]

YES

always

like you have to do sth really wrong to not have 2 stacks of SoD for your burst

[shy orbit]

so its fine to macro these two skills together?

[plush roost]

No haha

Welcome to sub rogue

[chrome palm]

no, you use shadowblades after you cast secret technique

you dance and symbols before secret technique

for the first secret technique*

[random hare]

!

mid key ofc

[plush roost]

1.22b

Hmmmmmmmm

Stop the count!

Is ptr tier set already patched or is that next week?

[swift tinsel]

changes are on ptr

[lilac stag]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[steel zinc]

I see 3 shaman

😄

[keen dome]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends, despite Secret Technique not being ready.
Secret Technique will come up during the second dance, and you want to make sure that it will be supercharged. To do this hold onto Symbols of Death and use it when Secret Technique
has 10s or less left of its cooldown.
This is why a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[keen dome]

This is a good detailing of why macroing isn't the best, too.

[umbral relic]

Wait now that shadow blade and sectec are fixed, you cast shadow blades before sectec

[swift tinsel]

it doesn't really matter

[umbral relic]

So you can macro shadow blade + sod + sd

[swift tinsel]

the shadow hits are 1 and 1.3 sec after the phys

[uneven scarab]

You can cast it after still

[steel zinc]

its w/e you can dont must. More important in st 2nd sectech get the cb

[twin panther]

Biggest question is, did you beat them

[umbral relic]

I hate whatevers

[steel zinc]

its w/e because the clones of sectech do the actual damage

[umbral relic]

Is there is a slight difference?

Event 2 more dmg

[swift tinsel]

no, the clones do the vast majority of the damage

phys hit will be like 1.7mil and clones will do 3.5mil each

so the damage is very back-loaded into the 2 shadow hits

[steel zinc]

no its not something to invest time into thinking about. More getting used to cb the 2nd sectech

[fallow nimbus]

quick, someone got the fuu tierlist, you know what i mean

[dry plank]

Ye I already have 2 buttons for it

[swift tinsel]

lol I need to have this saved somewhere

[fossil trellis]

oh heck , here we go again :/

[swift tinsel]

its so good for tilting people that don't get it

[umbral relic]

Okay, but if you cast shadow blade after the phys hit, what do you win?

[swift tinsel]

what the fuck is this

[uneven scarab]

???

What am i looking at

[shell willow]

Lol nice try

[swift tinsel]

that 1000% looks fake

[tropic nimbus]

big fake

[slate lantern]

he messed up the %3 lmao

engrish hard

[shell willow]

Lol 1000% is an understatement

[keen dome]

the %3 is a funny one lol

[uneven scarab]

that looks like actual dogshit

[lucid jackal]

And the %35

[slate lantern]

!ban thunderbolt

bai bai

[lucid jackal]

Bait used to be believable

[vale pine]

yes, the tier set got nerfed ^^

[umbral relic]

Nice try

[swift tinsel]

you asked if it matters when you cast blades relative to sectech, and I told you why it doesn't really matter as long as you cast blades before the shadow clones hit

[molten citrus]

and the %45

[keen dome]

At least it's consistently wrong.

Consistency is key!

[molten citrus]

there's a couple proper

4%/12%

[umbral relic]

Ok, but what do you win delaying shadow blades after sec tec? Does shadow blade affect one more gcd?

[shy orbit]

link

[swift tinsel]

because delaying it prevously meant you didn't lose a gcd of blades cp gen

[hazy breach]

If the sim cant tell the difference over 100 000 iterations, it really is whatever

[swift tinsel]

delay being used loosely

[uneven scarab]

Binding blades+dance+sod still a terrible idea though

[umbral relic]

Oh yeah coz the ss is a lost gcd then

[hazy breach]

Its not terrible

Its just not ideal

[umbral relic]

I forgot the SS

[uneven scarab]

less than ideal idea

[hazy breach]

Using sectech right before flag, now thats a terrible idea

[uneven scarab]

Valid

[umbral relic]

Ok ok!

So I’m having my first sub macro 😄

My mind needed a macro

[hazy breach]

What

I meant that theres no difference between using it before or after sectech

Using it after the premed there is a difference

[umbral relic]

Ah

[hazy breach]

of like 0.6% or something, dont remember the exact number

[umbral relic]

Sadge

Why you hurting me sir

[uneven scarab]

Man i just wish they kept the 4p at like 4% atleast

[keen dome]

The only tier list worth looking at.

[uneven scarab]

Its just too accurate

[upper plinth]

Since im starting from Scratch with Sub i still havent Figured when to hold dance and when sending it. As i understood there are a few Rules when to Stop sending Shit. Next Season 25sec before flag Stop ending Finishers except Rupture. 20sec before flag Stop sending ST. Is there such a eile of thumb for Dance?

[keen dome]

The most lexically accurate tier list.

[steel zinc]

if you start from scratch just ignore hero talents

[half comet]

do you do the storm as 2nd builder in dance in AOE only

or ST too

[lilac stag]

aoe

[steel zinc]

like just focus on core raotion that means get the opener down and the rest aligns itself

[hazy breach]

That next season stuff isnt that relevant anymore now that tier got nerfed. You can ignore it

But its pretty much the same number for dance

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Symbols of Death, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Secret Techniques.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[lilac stag]

wait for the dust (RIP) to settle. this weekend with apl and I'm sure we'll have some clarity on target counts, etc on Monday for them to mess with more stuff on NA Beta Test Tuesday

[upper plinth]

Oh okay. Fuck i should have Known that before i stood 4h in Front of a Dummy today 😅

[lilac stag]

4 hours on a dummy. dayum

[hazy breach]

I mean it doesnt matter

You can still do it, its just not a big deal

And it doesnt really have much impact on the rest of the rotation

Its just a very small thing

[slate lantern]

its just change the only ruptures to an occasional evis

for 25s

so like two different buttons lol

[upper plinth]

Dont have a clue about sub. Touched it once for mage Tower in Legion.
Problems i still have is dance usage and keybind for dance and SoD. But macroing Them together is pretty Bad im told

[hazy breach]

!burst

[wicked jolt]

During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends, despite Secret Technique not being ready.
Secret Technique will come up during the second dance, and you want to make sure that it will be supercharged. To do this hold onto Symbols of Death and use it when Secret Technique
has 10s or less left of its cooldown.
This is why a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.

[random hare]

ye

if we get a priest they get pi and i lose tho

[lilac stag]

Ez. Never invite priest.

[upper plinth]

I will suck so Bad at seasonstart....
Forgot i need to learn m+ as well with Sub 🫠
And Outlaw and sub dont have the Same Gear sets

Is it Bad If i need to sit with 2 charges of dance for 10ish seconds before flag?
Should i have gone for 1 more before CDs or is that normal Sometimes?

[clever delta]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen hare]

Not one but TWO skyfury buffs 🥰

[random hare]

guys

if u wanna see how broken fire mage is

qingxinsmile just joined my grp and hes gonna fuck my ass

[lilac stag]

ask for lube

[random hare]

gonna link overall after key

[molten citrus]

whats that got to do with fire mages ?

[uneven scarab]

Its gonna be fire when he takes it in the ass?

[hollow spear]

Maybe it feels like magic?

[random hare]

they are so good

and hes literally the best mage in the entire game

[molten citrus]

ik who he is homie

seen him in keys since SL iirc

[vestal escarp]

Sin season

Happy ending

☺️

[molten citrus]

he used to play with jpc on ptr n shit i think

[twilit phoenix]

Jpc rip the goat

I hope uni is going well for him rn

[dry plank]

Milkmage best no?