subtlety

[bleak night]

[molten citrus]

[heady sierra]

I swapped to rogue so I could use the emote in discord.

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[manic bison]

hey! pretty new to the spec and rogue as such. pressing the /cast coldblood/cast secret technique macro doesnt go off despite beeing advertised as such on wowhead. is that a known problem?

cb is not on gcd...thats why im curious^^

[uneven scarab]

@lilac stag

need the meme

[lucid jackal]

U probably didnt setup the macro to your stealth bar

[manic bison]

@lucid jackal you are absolutely right. thanks mate1

[lilac stag]

We also don’t use the macro

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vale pine]

i think its fine when you start out

but if you min/max no macro

[lucid jackal]

I still use the macro

[keen dome]

Same

[swift tinsel]

same, literally only for 2nd sectech tho

need two binds anyways

[keen dome]

It's comfy

[lilac stag]

So was your dance sod macro.

[swift tinsel]

blasphemy

[keen dome]

And it's DEAD

[swift tinsel]

idk if I ever had them macro'd

[keen dome]

I don't really think the CB optimisation does enough for me, at my content level, to justify it. I can be a tiny bit suboptimal as a treat

[swift tinsel]

do you have a naked sectech bind?

[lilac stag]

Set free

[keen dome]

Never, it should be in prison forever

It knows what it did

[manic bison]

as a beginner i can see that a naked sectech for situations with no dance but symbole up is good...but in what situation are you using naked dance although symbole is up? why not macro dance+symbol?

[swift tinsel]

bc you don't always press them at the same global

[keen dome]

Because you'll have situations where SecTec won't be up, and you'll want to dance again. But if you have them bound, you'd potentially waste the Symbol charge.

And then SecTec won't be getting it, which'll be a big drop

[acoustic lodge]

Is there a reason why we pick gloomblade for ST in raid?

[manic bison]

so using symbol+sectec trumps dance+sectec?

[void hound]

it does more damage

[swift tinsel]

for deathstalker specifically

[tepid trellis]

its because we dont generate enough cdr on dance

thats why there sometimes can be a naked Sectech with a symbols

cuz we are pooling for cds to make sure we have 2x dance + 2x symbols for it

[manic bison]

@tepid trellis i get it. that makes total sense!

[pliant topaz]

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/hiya-gif-18895013

[pliant topaz]

hiiii

[uneven scarab]

[keen dome]

[pliant topaz]

[swift tinsel]

[sand ore]

[lilac stag]

[molten citrus]

[leaden prairie]

[thin lion]

[median nacelle]

[bleak night]

[sly shore]

[static pewter]

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[random comet]

Someone left the lasagna out

[vestal escarp]

[keen dome]

We're Garspec'd

[vestal escarp]

it's always a monday for sub

[keen dome]

Could go for a good pesto lasagna or something

[patent lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-gunn-eww-gross-yuck-meme-disgusting-sticks-tongue-out-gif-25378754

[paper iron]

[twilit phoenix]

the next 6 month subscription bundle will have acro

[median nacelle]

my wallet would be grinding on that sub

[steel zinc]

PTR Cycle of the Tier Set

[void hound]

leaked dev chat discussing sub

[steel zinc]

yeah dont tell anyone

Got it from a secret source

[molten citrus]

NO GARFING in the Slack chat

[steel zinc]

yeah mb

Next time ill leak midnight exp

If you player house as a sub rogue you are sitting infront of other peoples houses trying to beg for gold or just outright steal it

[keen dome]

no sewer??

[pliant topaz]

[molten citrus]

As long as you submit the proper “Hype Leak” forms

[hazy breach]

[pliant topaz]

sub players spamming snd so they dont overwrite their finality rupture while waiting for their flag window to come

[keen dome]

[steel zinc]

maybe even that

Was the Rogue Order Hall

a dumbster

[molten citrus]

Subtlety Rogue rework concept art from Midnight

[keen dome]

That's just an ethereal

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/zed-galaxy-slayer-zed-zed-galaxy-gif-15255702

how about this

[molten citrus]

it would be sick if we were one with the shadows

glowing purple is cool and all but

[random comet]

If you want to be an ethereal you can use the secret transmitter toy I guess

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/momo-ayase-dandadan-absolute-cinema-anime-meme-gif-9396637480397653335

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/faker-gif-8390799

LOOK AT THE MOVES FAKER WHAT WAS THAT

[plush roost]

fellas is the rookery second boss

absolutely awful

or is it me

[lilac stag]

Not getting invites as a rogue so don’t worry about it.

[lofty path]

just play sin, doesn't matter if your damage sucks

iron wire op

[lilac stag]

you mean the talent most don’t take?

[steel zinc]

dps loss

not taking it

also blind dps loss taking shiv for more buttons to press

[lilac stag]

accurate

also don’t press feint if less than 10 ruptures out

[steel zinc]

feint no need

just use cheat death on cd

must use class utility to stay alive just dont waste energy

also bind hs and healthpot into one keybind

Also also if you die blame healer and tank

[lilac stag]

[haughty mural]

[void hound]

what sub cooldowns could look like...

[finite carbon]

[steel zinc]

It's gonna be epic not having out tier set work for an entire raid tier!

[lilac stag]

Prot warrior sims just below rogue.

It’ll be fine.

[keen dome]

Just gotta look at the positives.

[hazy breach]

I would be very surprised if the sectech thing doesnt get fixed

Coup proccing on the secondary hits im not so sure about

[steel zinc]

They will just remove the tooltip from the tierset and it's fixed

[hazy breach]

Well it works like 1/3 of the time

So that wouldnt fix it

[steel zinc]

Yeah but well i hope but not I doubt they even know at this point how to fix it

[lilac stag]

rewrite Sectech to be a single hit

Easiest option and best option

[twilit phoenix]

Sec tech should be millions of tiny hits

[finite carbon]

killing spree

[twilit phoenix]

But there should be separate clones for all of them

[lilac stag]

Ban this person

[finite carbon]

but ninja

[keen dome]

Best outcome from this

actually i changed my mind I'm fully on 1 damage = 1 clone

60 million clones every SecTec.

[twilit phoenix]

That’s what I’m saying bro

The clones have a gnome model regardless of player race

[bleak night]

you had me

and then you lost me

[limpid rock]

@vale pine Can you link spreadsheet? sorry for ping

[lilac stag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limpid rock]

^him

[uneven scarab]

damn i didnt realize fb assa was that behind in aoe

tf

[somber barn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plush roost]

Lol

They nerded transmitter 5%

[brisk onyx]

Treacherous Transmitter Treacherous Transmitter primary stat reduced by 5%
Spymaster's Web Spymaster's Web primary stat reduced by 10%

[hazy breach]

~800 agility or so less

[tepid trellis]

[twilit phoenix]

Lmao

Still bis right?

[brisk onyx]

sure

[hazy breach]

No

It was equal to a maxxed out house of cards before

Now it should be worse

[brisk onyx]

[twilit phoenix]

I mean only 800ish agi

Surely mythic trans is better than like a hero cards

[hazy breach]

If not better then atleast comparable

[sullen hare]

I was just about to comment on that. xd

[hazy breach]

There doesnt seem to be any changes for subs tier

[brisk onyx]

No fucking transmitter

I don’t want to jump everywhere

[sullen hare]

where were you when transmitter was kill

[brisk onyx]

[vestal escarp]

everybody and their dogs were expecting transmitter nerfs

[sullen hare]

yeah I just expected it to not be pre-emptive

still gonna use mine til I get a house of cards obviously

[vestal escarp]

you can still skip hc cards if you prog as sub

ig

[sullen hare]

I have a hero track transmitter, so I doubt that

unless there are charts somewhere I missed

[vestal escarp]

bro do be typing

[hazy breach]

Season 2 Info Pin (Updated <t:1742339246:d>)

• Talents: Trickster is ahead (~2%) on pure ST and a little bit ahead in aoe. Exactly the same talents as Season 1:
  • ST:CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMWmGzYMmxYMjHYmZmhxsNMzMbbzMjZmZAjlZbAAAAYGMAGzmhBGYW0CtYDG
    • The singletarget string has improved storm over shadow focus beause shadow focus provides barely 0.1% dmg and if you ever storm its significantly worse.
  • Aoe/M+: CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMWmGzYmxMzYMDzMjhxsNLGzstNzMmZmBMWmtBAAAgZwAYMbGGYgZRL0iNYA
• Stats: No Changes (Vers=Mastery > Rest)
• Embellishments: No Changes. (Lens still best ST)
• Tier Bonus compared to no tier:
• 2 piece is 3%
• 2+4 piece is 13%
• Generally dont replace your nerubar 4p until you get the new 4p. (but sim yourself to verify, massive ilvl differences can shift things)

Trinkets:

• House of Cards is BiS everywhere.
• Second trinket is pretty much just ilvl. Kezan is good on long fights (5m+).
• If you dont have House of Cards or Transmitter, Prized Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity from PVP (700 conquest) is your best option.

Cyrce's Circlet:

• Get replaced by a roughly 670 ilvl regular ring.

Rotational changes:

• Trickster: Keep using eviscerates up to 6 targets in aoe. So dont start doing 1 storm in dance or BPs until 7 or more targets are present.
• Deathstalker : On aoe (5 or more) you also dont want to use your darkest night during dance, its better to use to proc mark on a target and continue ing until the dance ends, then its worth to use the darkest night eviscerate.
• Both: Use during premeditation in for an extra danse macabre stack. (worth ~0.5% dps)

[brisk onyx]

I love trickster

[hazy breach]

Accidently sent it before i finished formatting

[pliant topaz]

[sullen hare]

[errant tinsel]

don't press finishers for the last 25secs before flagellation?

[pliant topaz]

just remember to not overwrite your finality rupture by spamming snd when flag cd <=25

one thing i havent checked myself is setting up finality rupture before normal dances if you have more than x stacks of tier. not sure if youve checked that eleem

[hazy breach]

Didnt seem worth

[pliant topaz]

my thought was it should be worth it to setup a finality rupture if you have high enough stacks

to also not risk dropping stacks

[brisk onyx]

How to hold on using evis/bp? Spam rupture or just backstab?

[willow pawn]

Warlock doing 48mil first pull. Yah sub tier will expect nerf

[hazy breach]

Didnt seem to matter much

So do either

On Aoe you def want to be using the cps for cdr though

[brisk onyx]

Fine

[sly shore]

just spamming rupture

cos I sure as shit ain't rebinding snd

[pliant topaz]

1. u cant actually rebuild snd -> u cant overwrite an already existing long snd so u gotta cancel aura it KEKW

[sly shore]

[pliant topaz]

2. u running finality though, u wnana overwrite that bad boy? kekw

[sly shore]

rupture it is

well I can't press evis or bp

and not snd

so has to be rupture

[pliant topaz]

yep

its called "design"

LMFAO

[sly shore]

yeah u wouldn't understand, sweaty

[pliant topaz]

yeah my brain too smoll unfortunte

[golden totem]

havent been playing for a couple of month, whats up with pressing evis/bp ?

seems fun and interactive

[errant tinsel]

new tier set

[uneven scarab]

so u dont lose tier

[errant tinsel]

we gamble now

[tepid trellis]

we dont

thats kinda the whole point

of rupturing

[uneven scarab]

sub is anti gambler spec

[hazy breach]

• A 200k eviscerate
  OR
• 50% more eviscerate damage and 100% more sectech damage during flag&blades

[golden totem]

interesting

[hazy breach]

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/office-tough-the-office-gif-23812336

[vestal escarp]

last part of second point

IF

[uneven scarab]

IFFFF IT actually works

or the 4pc atleast

even more dam on that sectech

[sly shore]

just gonna make a weak aura that pastes a huge "RUPTURE ONLY PEASANT" on my screen when flag is 25s or less

[uneven scarab]

need the cod mw2 nuke countdown

sound

until flag is ready

[errant tinsel]

yeah so we're cheating

semantics

[hazy breach]

You can play this too, its simming slightly lower (~0.4%) than the standard but has higher burst

[errant tinsel]

it's interesting design either way

[hazy breach]

Because it misses out on a dance or two in exchange for bigger burst

[sly shore]

This spec is so fucking washed

catch me saving my cd's for 30s for captain insane-o burst

[golden totem]

whats ur first feeling with raid on ptr kpb

seemsfun?

[sly shore]

it does seem good

[hazy breach]

I mean sure it might seem cursed but i think big number = fun is gonna kick in when its ingame for a lot of people

Big bursterman with the nuclear cooldowns

[golden totem]

big burst always fun

[vestal escarp]

some random ass spec is gonna burst higher anyway

without cringe pooling

BM with pi

[sly shore]

100%

but

the gameplay is bad and degenerate

and I don't think anyone bursts higher than sub rogue rn

in new patch

[vestal escarp]

hopefully

[golden totem]

a lot of dmg amp bosses ?

[sly shore]

there is some where timers matter

[tepid trellis]

atleast not as frontloaded

[sly shore]

rather than amps

[hazy breach]

Unless subs overall damage is really really bad i find it really hard to believe we are gonna get outbursted when we have our stacks up (ie not on pull)

maybe during BL by one or two classes but outside of that nah

[vestal escarp]

we delaying pot then

this was asked before surely

[hazy breach]

Was about the same

when i tried in simc

(when you are not losing a second trinket)

[vestal escarp]

bad feeling about the 90s flag

on the mental load of checking stacks getting into that

[jaunty heath]

How much worse is sending finishers for that 25s?

I wonder what that’s gonna look/feel like in keys

[hazy breach]

On average like 1%

But again, its 2 eviscerates doing like 200k damage because you have nothing up

that risks losing you 50% eviscerate damage and 100% (or ~50% if its still bugged) sectech damage during blades

And like 75% of ALL of your damage is during blades

[vestal escarp]

do we have a small number for playing full peach?

as in no evis outside dance?

[hazy breach]

That was noticeably worse

Like 3-4%

But obviously burst is higher since you always have 10 stacks

[vestal escarp]

must be true on a 1000 attempts

[hazy breach]

It stacks up fairly fast anyway

[tawdry cypress]

Hello friends what is best rogue spec on ptr currently

For raid

[swift tinsel]

I think I averaged 20 sec to full stack in opener so it jumps relatively fast

[vestal escarp]

unknown, sin is sorting out their big ???

[tawdry cypress]

Really the question is outlaw the best spec by a noticeable margin rn

[hazy breach]

no

[tawdry cypress]

Ty that spec is aids

[vestal escarp]

pirates in shabmles

[swift tinsel]

I mean it’s fun if you don’t like giga burst windows

And enjoy a flat damage profile

And relying on haste to function

[errant tinsel]

some fixes made to assassin tier, so we might even know soon

[swift tinsel]

Ooo new build today?

We’re so back

[hazy breach]

There was no changes to sub tier as far as i could tell

[slate lantern]

Bring back 0 haste outlaw

[swift tinsel]

Bring back Bandits Guile

[solemn creek]

expecting a nerf to tier piece, but if they do that. they would need to greatly buff to compensate

otherwise sub is gonna drop to assa lvl (as of now)

[slate lantern]

Sub is the last hope for rogues

[swift tinsel]

It’ll probably be like 2% instead of 3 and 4 or 5% instead of 6

Or they remove sectech from the bonus and take our legs out from under us lol

[bright sundial]

hey guys sorry if this is a dumb question but why isnt sectech shadow dmg?

[hazy breach]

It is

Most of it anyway

[bright sundial]

oh cause tooltip says phy dmg

[hazy breach]

Its split into 3 hits, first a small physical hit, then two big shadow hits

[bright sundial]

oh gottcha ty

[brisk onyx]

M+ string can’t import

[hazy breach]

Works just fine for me

Probably have to be on PTR

[warm depot]

wait

[swift tinsel]

Is rotten beating 1/2 finality for you in dslice too?

On ptr

[warm depot]

so do you just not press a finisher with ~25s left on flag cd?

[hazy breach]

Not eviscerate or bp

[warm depot]

so just fill with rupture?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[warm depot]

cool

thx

[brisk onyx]

Sir can you show me a picture of this

[young path]

Omg that sounds so troll

[spark tusk]

Saw sin got some changes on ptr, did sub get anything?

[shrewd monolith]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[young path]

Is there any benefit to just not rupturing and keep spamming bs?

[hazy breach]

Sure you'd get some more BPs outside of cds

But 15% of the time you'll lose your stacks

[spark tusk]

Hell yeah trickster patch again stay winning

[brisk onyx]

[swift tinsel]

Trickster feasting s2

DS = dirt spec

[silent ruin]

Transmitter is close to Bis for season 2 ?

[random comet]

seems that way

[tribal blade]

you guys do realize if trickster is ahead they're gonna mega buff DS again

because it's gonna be "buff the tree they're not playing without looking into why at all"

smile

[silent ruin]

Why didn't they buff fate bound for assasin then

[glossy turtle]

For sub m+ do you want rupture up on all targets?

Like lets say first pull of workshop. Or just some general big pulls

[hazy breach]

Yes and no

[tribal blade]

it entirely depends on if the pull will live the entirety of your cds

if the pull barely lives your entire cds you want to go into cds asap

[hazy breach]

Delaying your cds for it isnt really that worth unless the pack is still being gathered (aka arent stacked yet)

[glossy turtle]

Ok i see makes sense

[hazy breach]

But outside of cds you want to rupture as much as you can

[glossy turtle]

Ok. Cool. Cds would be blades?

[hazy breach]

You dont want to rupture in dance either

[glossy turtle]

or symbols is enough to qualify as cds

[tribal blade]

spreading rupture is actually doubly beneficial now for sub because you can build up tier stacks

[glossy turtle]

saw casual going crazy on the ruptures

And didnt notice that when watching sub m+ this season

[hazy breach]

Say you go into a pack with no blades ready and 1 dance+symbols

[tribal blade]

casual is very aggressive with rupture spreading

[vestal escarp]

No loss but no gains either

[glossy turtle]

Indeed

[hazy breach]

You would spread ruptures before dancing+symbolsing

Assuming the mobs live longer than a single dance

[tribal blade]

well it's a gain if you can roll over your stacks into your next dance

i assume

[worn ivy]

Trickster: you want to hold of on using // when has roughly 25 seconds left of its cooldown to not risk losing your new tier set bonus.

what is this bro

[shut ridge]

[worn ivy]

didnt understand this

inlight me

[glossy turtle]

Yeah. So i would just kinda build up a decen bit of ruptures, while gathering is being done. And when i got a certain ammount or when gathering stops, i just sendv

[hazy breach]

Your spells and abilities have a chance to activate a Winning Streak! increasing the damage of your Eviscerate, Secret Technique, and Black Powder by 3%, stacking up to 10 times. Eviscerate, Secret Technique, and Black Powder have a 15% chance to remove Winning Streak!

[tribal blade]

you don't want to drop your stacks before your next cd set

because having high stacks going into a cd set is massive dammy

[worn ivy]

than what i dont do finisherws

[tribal blade]

rupture or snd

[hazy breach]

Its like 1 or 2 eviscerates you replace with a rupture or snd yes

[glossy turtle]

25 sec left of what?

[tribal blade]

flag

[worn ivy]

flag

[tribal blade]

it sounds cursed but look at how much damage you have in dance with 10 stacks of tier

it's absurd

[glossy turtle]

But whith replicating shadows wont that be done very fast, and you will just be stuck refreshing ruptures?

[hazy breach]

Yes

You have to realize that you do no damage outside dance anyway

[swift tinsel]

The more you play it the less cringe it feels tbh

[tribal blade]

you're sacrificing downtime damage to gain cd damage

and sub does all cd damage

[covert storm]

what patch note would even fix that tho, reduced amount it stacks up to?

[glossy turtle]

Makes sense yeah, just building to hit like a truck

[swift tinsel]

I thought it was gonna be turbo ass feeling but it’s really not

[tribal blade]

like sub fights with tanks and healers out of cds

[hazy breach]

Im not exaggurating when i say youre doing 100-150k dps outside of dance

[tribal blade]

it's really that bad

[hazy breach]

And youre gonna be doing like 6M+ in blades

[tepid trellis]

it is awful

[glossy turtle]

But doesnt that kinda fit the dmg profile of m+?

[swift tinsel]

The downtime of m+ helps mitigate some of it

Yeah

[hazy breach]

On ST ye

[worn ivy]

theyalso need top cap assa BTW

[hazy breach]

cap?

[worn ivy]

do the CT capped by 5T

cba why are we capped

[glossy turtle]

-.-

[swift tinsel]

Nah capping targets is old hat

[hazy breach]

What

[worn ivy]

go uncaped all bro what is this

uncap outlaw

uncap sub

they rogue is viable againb

[tepid trellis]

sub is softcapped

[tribal blade]

sub is not hard capped

[swift tinsel]

We’re only hard capped by nimble

[hazy breach]

Assa is softcapped too

[tepid trellis]

only nimble flurry is hard capped

[hazy breach]

Idk what youre talking about

[worn ivy]

i know its soft cap

[tepid trellis]

its just outlaw

[worn ivy]

how assa is soft capped

[solemn creek]

its not going to be

they already started nerfing it

[shut ridge]

outlaw isn’t real it can’t hurt me lalala

[tepid trellis]

everything in the game is soft capped

[spring turret]

does not finishing at all hurt our cdr too much? or why dont we just hold combopoints for shadow techniques (for the 25s before flag)

[solemn creek]

if it stays bis they will greatly nerf it

[hazy breach]

The same way sub is?

[tribal blade]

wouldn't be surprised if they nerf it again a few weeks into the tier

[solemn creek]

they will

for sure

[hazy breach]

Except assa is softcapped at 5

[solemn creek]

just so people get more gear

[swift tinsel]

Cdr is super important

[silent ruin]

Why only trickster holds on but DS can keep finishing ? Logic ?

[solemn creek]

before nerfing it again

[hazy breach]

Black powder is at 8

[tepid trellis]

the way marks work

[swift tinsel]

Bc we don’t get as much cdr on dance anymore

[hazy breach]

And the fact that trickster bursts a lot harder

[errant tinsel]

damage comes from caustic spatter, which is soft capped at 5

[glossy turtle]

Casual ptr video certified recommeded to get a good look at how rotation will be for m+ in s2?

[worn ivy]

his playing vigor

his delusional

[glossy turtle]

Casual?

[swift tinsel]

Casualaddict

[glossy turtle]

huh

Rly

Didnt know

[worn ivy]

yes i saw in stream tornado + vigor

complete delush

[glossy turtle]

tornado is illegal

[worn ivy]

i mean its good playing tornado

but vigor is dog

[glossy turtle]

But idk if he likes it and the sims arent that mych different it doesnt matter

[tepid trellis]

i remember someone else telling us we were wrong for saying vigor is bad

[glossy turtle]

Was told there wasnt rly s dps difference if you play with or without

[hazy breach]

💀 Nah bro

[swift tinsel]

Tea/vigor loses to CB in every sim I’ve ran

And also it does nothing

[hazy breach]

Tea/vigor loses to 1 vigor+2 lethality

[swift tinsel]

Lmfao based

[hazy breach]

(which also loses to cold blood obviously)

[glossy turtle]

Anyone who has videos of m+ testing from sub pov?

[tepid trellis]

more energy just does nothing for sub

[worn ivy]

ill link

wait

[tepid trellis]

all it does is give you more weak finishers outside of cds

[swift tinsel]

It’s such a feelycraft trap

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[worn ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsVmuX12BwU

[swift tinsel]

If we were bugged to have perma stacks okay maybe it’s okay on BP infinity spam

But that’s not reality

[worn ivy]

he legit plays vigor 😄

[silent ruin]

BP is my favourite spell

[swift tinsel]

But a fully stacked fully functioning cb sectech is gonna orbital stike

[worn ivy]

the only way advanted i see if u BP this much +8 T sometimes u starv

but still shouldnt worth

[glossy turtle]

Legend

[worn ivy]

he also play deathstalker 😄

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker is fine on aoe

[glossy turtle]

even more legend

Seems like he is just trying stuff out

[worn ivy]

what a chad

cinema

[tepid trellis]

if you like cbt

[hazy breach]

Ye they just ignore that part

[worn ivy]

wait wtf

how does he track FW

i dont see it on NP's

[hazy breach]

He probably doesnt

Neither do i

[tepid trellis]

same

[hazy breach]

I have one that says if its not up on my maintarget, but not something continously showing

[tribal blade]

do the new finishing rules apply to only having the full 4 set

(not 2 set alone)

[hazy breach]

Yes only 4p

[tribal blade]

cool sound about right

[worn ivy]

do u guys track nible furry?

[tepid trellis]

flawless form yeh

[worn ivy]

yes flawless form

[lapis hatch]

Do I ever send sectech without dance/sb? Or just complete waste? Sometimes I make a mistake and it comes off cd as a dance ends

[tepid trellis]

we have points where you can send one dry

while you are pooling for next big cds

its a judgement call you have to make if you know it can come back off cd before your cds

[slate lantern]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uQH2cyFpJH9eVS_GC58EHYylpZM7Qtqt-CfHCF-pRBY/edit?gid=161258119#gid=161258119

hachas doc has a nice lil rough guide for cd timings

[lapis hatch]

Like if flag is up in 25ish secs im safe to send and?

Ah ty

[tepid trellis]

depends on the uptime you have during those 25 sec

[hazy breach]

Generally id just recommend to not do that and hold

If youre unsure, just dont

[tepid trellis]

you have to be sure its back

[lapis hatch]

Heard chef

[hazy breach]

The payoff is small and the cost is very big if its not back

[worn ivy]

somet

sometimes in ST i send symbools + sech tech without dance to get 2x dance on big cds

with trickstter btw

[lapis hatch]

DS feels nice coming from sin. Is DS better than trickster or vice versa? I can’t figure out which one to commit to on PTR

[swift tinsel]

Trickster

is the only hero spec

anyone who says otherwise works for Big Deathstalker

they can't be trusted

[tepid trellis]

trickster is the way

[sick jackal]

i work for deathstalker but trickster is still better xd

[swift tinsel]

(generally people prefer trickster because it smooths out our burst windows and feels way better)

[sick jackal]

yall are 1 capstone ahead of us

[lapis hatch]

Feels bad in aoe when flawless form falls off, and I’m now backstabbing. But the internal cooldown for flawless isn’t ready. So I’m just backstabbing and waiting

Any tips for that?

[swift tinsel]

alt+tab

[tepid trellis]

more than 5 targets

dont do it

just storm + bp

[hazy breach]

Dont

[lapis hatch]

Oh lmao.

[hazy breach]

BP does more damage than evis+nimble at 5 targets anyway

[lapis hatch]

Also do we hold coup in ST until dance window? Even if I have to spend a couple BP’s?

[hazy breach]

No

[worn ivy]

Hmm

[hazy breach]

You can if you want to, but its +-0 in sims

Or well, in season 1 that is

The tier set thing also makes it so we'll always have coup for our flag+blades

Part of why its good

[worn ivy]

How sub rogue sims compare to assa and outlaw in m+

[solemn creek]

we dont know sims right now, theres a few hotfix up

and still some bug

[slate lantern]

outlaw prob oversims like every tier

[solemn creek]

this time around, not a lot of s.t fight

[rugged condor]

is there a reason the ST talent line in the pin takes improved shuriken storm over shadow focus?

[spring turret]

for guaranteed fw

[tepid trellis]

0.1 difference

Sfocus is so shit that it just doesn’t really matter

[tribal blade]

sorry i'm stupid, is the 4pc % including the 2pc too

[wise badger]

Hey guys, I just read the pin right now and:

Rotational changes:
Trickster:Trickster:: you want to hold of on using :Eviscerate:/:BlackPowder:/:CoupdeGrace: when :Flagellation: has roughly 25 seconds left of its cooldown to not risk losing your new tier set bonus.

What does this mean? You just afk for 25 secs or am I missing something?

[rugged condor]

do we shuriken storm in st this is news to me

[tepid trellis]

No we don’t

[swift tinsel]

cast rupture or snd

[tepid trellis]

Only DS does

[swift tinsel]

you still need the cdr from spending combo points but don't want to drop stacks, so we use finishers that don't have a chance to

[spring turret]

oh i thought trickster does it aswell in sims mb

[wise badger]

ok makes sense. But that kinda sucks no?

[swift tinsel]

eh, it sounds worse than it is

[hazy breach]

No

[sick jackal]

yes

[swift tinsel]

whoa why is the text red

[sick jackal]

we usually do things that make no sense to deal damage as sub

[swift tinsel]

is my dooming post text red for anyone else

[wise badger]

I don't see any red

[tepid trellis]

Don’t see that

[wise badger]

oh that means it's not posted

[swift tinsel]

weird

[solemn creek]

how many rupture do we wanna spread on aoe?

i.e theres 20 + mob

[vernal junco]

what?

[tepid trellis]

Every thing

[wise badger]

Well, if that "adaptation" is because the set is really strong, I fear they will nerf the set so it is worth to use finishers again

[tepid trellis]

In between dances spread them ruptures

[solemn creek]

ok, lets say its on the opener

i surely dont wanna press 10 rupture cast

[tepid trellis]

Don’t delay cds for it

As soon as shit is stacked send cds

[solemn creek]

and during dance. i only press shuriken once at 5+

or do i spam it

well.. spam

[tepid trellis]

Depends on hero talent

[solemn creek]

trickster, im looking at fuu's guide but it seems different

[tepid trellis]

Then you just storm once

With the 2nd rotten stack

[solemn creek]

o i see

its for the garanteed fw

[hazy breach]

Unless they redesign the set its going to be worth doing in certain cases. Like for example in m+ if youre fighting a mob with 5% health right before a huge pull is coming up and youre sitting at 10 stacks

If you lose your 10 stacks by eviscerating that mob you would lose such a huge amount of damage

[solemn creek]

during the 2 sd window burst. , if 1st sdhadow dance ends and ur at full cp, do u rupture to get rid of cp or just resend dance?

[hazy breach]

Just resend

[solemn creek]

thx

relearning sub, didnt bother for s1 since i swapped back to rogue late

just went with sin, but looking forward to sub for s2

what about coup de grace in aoe at 5+ target, do we still not bother?

[lilac stag]

5% nerf to transmitter. So…. We’re still using it until mythic.

[rocky ocean]

JUMP THREE TIMES

[uneven scarab]

COLLECT ORB

[hazy breach]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[lilac stag]

FIX TIERSET

ohh whoops wrong WA

[tepid trellis]

Fire it. Shit gives 5 flawless stacks

[swift tinsel]

wait they fixed SF resetting?

[hazy breach]

Fairly sure they did

[swift tinsel]

okay cool bc I was thinking they did too

[hazy breach]

BP doesnt instantly remove all stacks all the time

Like it did before

[swift tinsel]

with the exception of coup, that usually had 60% reset chance

for me

[solemn creek]

outside of dance or in dance?

[hazy breach]

Ye coup still fucked

[swift tinsel]

yeah I had plenty of BP chains of like 7-8+

[hazy breach]

Not sure about shadowed coup

But its definitely 3 hits

[swift tinsel]

That one I'm convinced is still borked

but evisc has been feeling a lot more reliable

in a good way

[twilit phoenix]

Man I still don’t get sub aoe

[hazy breach]

Its pretty much the same as singletarget except you BP instead of evis

[twilit phoenix]

Am I shuriken storming to generate inside dance?

[hazy breach]

Only once as trickster, to apply fw with rotten

[twilit phoenix]

Even at a giga target count?

Like first pull nw and shit

[hazy breach]

No

Strike does significantly more damage

Shuriken storm practically doesnt do damage

[lapis hatch]

What about to apply find weakness? Not something we ever think about?

[twilit phoenix]

But outside of dance, I’m shuriken storming at 5+?

[hazy breach]

You storm at 2 outside of dance

[twilit phoenix]

Aight I gotta practice more

Thanks eleem

[lapis hatch]

Heard chef

[tribal blade]

WE'RE BUTTFUCKING OVI BOYYYYSSS

trickster ftw

[swift tinsel]

Yuuuuuge

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[lapis hatch]

That on LFR?

[twilit phoenix]

Its for you graham

[tribal blade]

nah mythic

[tribal blade]

oh hello

[swift tinsel]

lmao thats a stacked lfr

[tribal blade]

it helps that my raid was bad, we spawned infinite parasites

[swift tinsel]

highrolled

[lapis hatch]

Was jk lol

[tribal blade]

and also our fury warr died

[swift tinsel]

He zugged his last zugg

[quaint lodge]

@hazy breach i have a question if you don't mind abt one of ur logs

its from a sikran parse u did on the leaderboard

is there a reason u dont cold blood with ur st here

[sullen hare]

Surely has no impact on things. Move along people and let the man enjoy his parse

[swift tinsel]

its more beneficial to cb the 2nd sectech in our big cooldown window

[twilit phoenix]

How come

[quaint lodge]

im trying to think of a reason why but i don't know

is it because of the way it lines up with ur second flag?

[swift tinsel]

more flawless form and flag stacks

[quaint lodge]

ahh ok

makes sense

[valid flame]

what does flawless form do?

[quaint lodge]

increase dmg of finishesrs

[swift tinsel]

increases finisher damage

[valid flame]

ah ty ❤️

[swift tinsel]

3% per stack

[solemn creek]

is secret technique working like before. the clone are still coming out from where i cast it?

so if mob is getting dragged. my secret tech will miss?

[shell willow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[kind bluff]

Wait sectec can miss? I didn't know that shit

[errant tinsel]

super fun to press sectec and then the tank kites the group away fr fr

[brisk onyx]

You known it now

[worthy pulsar]

you want to hold of on using :Eviscerate:/:BlackPowder:/:CoupdeGrace: when :Flagellation: has roughly 25 seconds left of its cooldown to not risk losing your new tier set bonus.

what do we do in this window? just spam generators?

[solemn creek]

rupture/snd

its not like u will use 8 evisc anyways in that 25 sec window

[worthy pulsar]

ah right thanks

[tidal marsh]

Heckin' love machine gunning Ruptures

[swift tinsel]

You really don’t machine gun them at all

[slate lantern]

Sniper rifle ruptures

Takes you 8 seconds to reload

[swift tinsel]

More or less lol

It’s outside of dance where you don’t have the energy to spam backstab so you’re only replacing at most like 3 evisc

Which aren’t guaranteed to have FW up like they are in dance

[tidal marsh]

I just meant in a row yeh

I will say sniper-rifling instead of machine-gunning from now on

ty Haptics

[kind bluff]

Any chance they fixed things today?

[kind edge]

sorry guys but im slow. about the "remove winning streak", its all stacks or a stack ?

[brisk onyx]

all

[kind edge]

/cry

ok, save stacks with for flag make much more sense now...

[vernal junco]

just alt+tab

[worthy pulsar]

since to avoid losing stacks, do we still flag > finisher > blades > etc?

or that finisher will always be a rupture/snd?

[lilac stag]

It’s already rupture in the opener

[mystic minnow]

Anyone else having issues with vanish just not... vanishing you? I pop it, it goes on CD, but I can't shadowstrike

[worthy pulsar]

not for an opener, but midfight kind of thing and have winning stacks. Dont we always use a finisher after flag? Is that changing?

[sullen hare]

are you macroing anything to it?

vanish is already pretty fickle as-is

[hard trellis]

something wronmg with my rotten weak aura

[mystic minnow]

No, just vanish, it's like it's not activating at all for trickster. Haven't had problems with deathstalker.

[hard trellis]

spell id looks fine... is it stack count settings?

[steel zinc]

Trickster ahead now also with our current gear and everything? Same question about finality.

[molten citrus]

that's gonna be with the new tier

nothing has changed currently to make things change with our talents other than the tier

[spark tusk]

Put spell ID into the name field instead so you catch any spells with that name (works cross-locale).

Going to have to give more info than that if something else is wrong, there's like 800 things that can be wrong with a wa

[mystic minnow]

I’m guessing we want to save our supercharged combo points for darkest night evis and sectech every dance?

[worthy pulsar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

in a perfect world you want both of those supercharged yes

but it doesn't always line up that way

[spark tusk]

You can't really save your supercharged points anyways

like there's nothing yo ucan do about it

[tribal blade]

iirc you can do some delaying to make sure it lines up that way, but i dunno because fuck DS

[simple garnet]

We have to go back to supercharge 11.1? 😦

[alpine wraith]

just woke up seems they nerfed transmitter eh

[simple garnet]

What if I just… don’t

[alpine wraith]

and jastor

[tribal blade]

5% yeah

[spark tusk]

the police won't arrest you promise

[tribal blade]

not massive though

[tribal blade]

if you try to go into every dance with your last mark stack active

you'll get DN supercharged

or i suppose you activate DN then go into dance and evis as 1st finisher

[simple garnet]

Oh that’s good tech

[tribal blade]

OR you can just play trickster 😉

[alpine wraith]

ideally you go into dance with 1 mark left yes

[simple garnet]

Don’t you play trickster in m+ already?

I only m+ f raid

[tribal blade]

depends on what you prefer tbh

they both put out good numbers

i'm personally a massive trickster fanboy

[alpine wraith]

yes trickster is cooler fits more into the sub burst narrative

[tribal blade]

i'm honestly so relieved trickster is edging out DS next tier

thank god

[alpine wraith]

yea i though the extra shadow dmg would make DS better but guess getting more dances trumps it

[cloud rover]

Does this mean, i just dont use any finisher except rupture?

for 25 Seconds?

[brisk onyx]

You got it

[teal prawn]

can you share

[alpine wraith]

i put some things i found in the sub tc research but im struggling to fit it in the apl

because every set changes a bit apart from the first

[cloud rover]

I hope

[alpine wraith]

and it becomes a 2 - 1 1 2 - 1 - 2

etc

[cloud rover]

sub isnt the go to spec

i dont want to hold my finisher for 25 seconds

[alpine wraith]

i will try later to see if CB anchor and slamming with dance cd+ flag cd works better

from my ptr testing that one feels quite better

[tranquil stump]

is it just me guys, or how the hell "holding your finishers except rupture for 25sec" is a healthy design, why do i feel like rogue is getting worse gameplay wise season by season lol

[alpine wraith]

that might not be necessarily true from what i found if you move the SoD sec tech but still left to see

it is just a safer approach

[cloud rover]

That feels more like a bandaid

[alpine wraith]

it lets you use dances as kind of a ladder

to not have that downtime but it will happen anyway after cds even with this

just you can still use finishers there because flag is far away

i will kinda record some things to show people more or less i have time today after work and before PoE league begins

im more surprised they nerfed jastor diamond so much

[tulip gorge]

any bug fixes this week?

[steel zinc]

Does not compute

Tier will be unfixed whole season

[upbeat oracle]

what amount of targets do we start bp in trick? like 10?

[tulip gorge]

5

[upbeat oracle]

really, mhm

[brisk onyx]

[void hound]

did sectec/tier get fixed

or is this what we will roll with

ah nvm someone asked already

[spark tusk]

It's fucking nutty that even with a nerf transmitter is still so good

[sterile kiln]

if we have sod charges do we hold sectech for shadow dance or just send it?

[dry plank]

mechagnome bis race or it is bait?

[haughty mural]

waking up to new pin

[molten citrus]

What bait

[void ocean]

with trickster we suppose to just backstab for 25 sec?

while waiting for flag

[clever delta]

Where did you find it

[cloud rover]

Pins

[molten citrus]

With s2 tier set that’s what it’s looking like, or spam rupture

[cloud rover]

IT LITERALLY IS IN MY NAME

[hazy breach]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[thin dove]

so i use flag and can spam finishers and then wenn the CD of rupture is at 25 sec i dont spam finisher, or can i send secret technique?

[clever delta]

Wasn't there when I last checked discord:D

Cool

[round latch]

no one reads german though

[cloud rover]

mb

[brisk onyx]

you can cast rupture

[thin dove]

sory i meant cd of flag

[clever delta]

Eleem

[cloud rover]

Peak Gameplay

ong

[clever delta]

Can you explain that not using DN during dance in aoe tech

Is it simply not worth or what

[teal prawn]

I can’t read at all

[vestal escarp]

At one mark during dance strike another bozo

[cloud rover]

Ye it was mb

[keen dome]

Rip transmitter. Goodbye imp telephone

[cloud rover]

does braille work for you?

[brisk onyx]

Haha I hate it, but that's the case

[haughty mural]

ngl i've hoped for a bigger nerf than 5%

[clever delta]

Transmitters still better than hc cards tho

[keen dome]

can't hear you over the house of cards, la la la, transmitter is terrible now.

I think they'll nerf it again, though. 5% is weirdly small.

[clever delta]

Haha I feel you

I would prefer cards too

[jolly pasture]

They forget to nerf the ring too

[keen dome]

That'll come in Week 1 or 2 imo

[clever delta]

And beside that eye trinket, what secondary option we have?

[hazy breach]

Eviscerate does no damage

BP does more damage

[clever delta]

Alright, was thinking maybe there is more to it

[cloud rover]

You ahve to understand, its only that BUSTED for sub

i think

[hazy breach]

Practically every trinket sims the same at ~2% worse than eye of kezan

[keen dome]

I honestly was expecting more than 5% when I opened the page, but. I have a normal one. I'm never seeing a heroic one as it doesn't exist. I'm free

[clever delta]

Not like this

[hazy breach]

Knife, energy drink, minecart etc... Just a huge list of trinkets

[keen dome]

In awe of our silly number 4p increase.

[cloud rover]

I have a Mythic one

But i wont play Sub anyways, if the 25 second no finisher thing stays

[hazy breach]

It genuinely doesnt feel bad

Were talking about two finishers most of the time

[keen dome]

It just means you swap to Rupture instead of a piddly evis, right? It's whatever

[hazy breach]

Like two 200k eviscerates youre skipping out on, since you already do zero damage outside cds anyway

[keen dome]

Yeah

[alpine wraith]

yea i moved 1 dance to not waste the symbols + sod but i dont think the gain is huge anyway

[keen dome]

can i have it

[cloud rover]

It just doesnt feel right

to not finish

for me

[alpine wraith]

it does feel better a bit but also on second set of cds you only have 1 dance kinda in between cds if you want to snipe CB right

maybe you havent played sub for super long

[cloud rover]

i see what you did there @keen dome

[alpine wraith]

there have been times we had like 30 to 40 secs of prep

to be able to dance

[keen dome]

It's interesting how both of those tier bugs relate to some kind of extra attack happening (Clones, / Bonus evis's losing stacks).

If only we could have the blessed big crit

[cloud rover]

No im sorry

Soulbound

[hazy breach]

I mean sure, but like I said the amount of dps sub does outside of dance is laughable, we are talking like 150k-200k

[cloud rover]

Except you want to be souldbound with me ? But you wouldnt want that im sure

unless?

[mighty citrus]

do we consider this rupture spam thing being created on purpose?

when flag <25s

[hazy breach]

Reducing that down to 100-150k to guarantee a 50% buff to finishers during cds is huge

[alpine wraith]

you dont spam

like try it in ptr

[keen dome]

let's do it. the imp can bind us.

[cloud rover]

I mean i undertand it DPS wise

[alpine wraith]

you overstimate hard how many finishers we do outside dance

hugely

[cloud rover]

there is a reason why you guys recommend it

[mighty citrus]

i thought it would be around 2-3 in flag <25s

[maiden marten]

Hey
i am new to rouge at all and at the moment i rly like subtlety and i got a question for our opener:
When i look at guides they say that our opener should look like that.
Why do we use Secret Technique before Shadow Blades? Dont we want the 20% dmg with our Finisher?
I couldnt find an answer to that
Would love to understand that

[molten citrus]

because it doesn't work on sec tech atm

this bug is fixed on PTR, so it will work when S2 goes live

[keen dome]

You are starting rogue at a great time: we just got some pretty cool bugfixes.

[maiden marten]

Thank you 🙂
so i will just start to learn it the "right" way

[golden kelp]

it should be fixed in ptr so thats a good idea 🙂

[cobalt pilot]

hey yall,
can someone tell me if the T-Set Boni from season 1 will still be working in season 2?

[keen dome]

It will, but we'll want to shift to our season 2 set ASAP by the look of it.

[cobalt pilot]

aight ty

[quaint lodge]

ty

does anybody know where i can read all the

! point commands

[molten citrus]

try !help

[grand wyvern]

i read the rotational changes in the pins and i have a question: doesn't sectech position as first finisher change by not having old tierset anymore?

[rich ibex]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[molten citrus]

you still want it to be supercharged and you don't want to delay it too much

i'm assuming you mean first finisher after symbols

[grand wyvern]

yes

but since you supercharge 2 combo point wouldnt you eviscerate first for danse macabre?

[molten citrus]

that i'm not 100% sure on as i haven't looked, but danse macabre is generally not as important as people think

[alpine wraith]

no you still want it first finisher for cdr

[grand wyvern]

ok thanks

[molten citrus]

do you know if the new sims are posted anywhere

or if there's newer sims

than whats on fuu's sheet

doesn't look like those do the rupture spam between dances etc

[alpine wraith]

you dont rupture spam really

[molten citrus]

you know what i mean

[alpine wraith]

you just do it once maybe then wait and stack sht

[molten citrus]

the sim on fuu's sheet does evis outside of dance

[grand wyvern]

according to pins you only do ruptures 25 sec to cds

[alpine wraith]

yea you only really dont evis when flag is very near but also some things are not in yet

i also found some things but putting it in apl is not as easy

[fierce minnow]

ruptures plural?

[molten citrus]

yes

[fierce minnow]

what is this insanity

[molten citrus]

you only finish roughly 2-3 times in that amount of time

[tawdry zodiac]

is the tierset working now on ptr?

[cloud rover]

My 13 yo boy in me

want to make a joke

[fierce minnow]

so basically you just wait and do nothing before going into flag, just maintain rupture and pool

[molten citrus]

define working

also check pins

[molten citrus]

[fierce minnow]

[dry plank]

does not always benefit from 4p xD very promising, imagine to get this bug on all of ur 2nd SecTech with CB, you will be a winner xD

[molten citrus]

it is much more common that it does not work on sec tech

so you will just expect it not to

[grand wyvern]

in line with gamba theme of the patch

[leaden prairie]

That's nice

I didn't want to play sub anyway

[brisk onyx]

does storm still consume twice rotten in PTR?

[alpine wraith]

if there is more than 1 target yes

[vestal escarp]

[brisk onyx]

[vestal escarp]

zac wants to play more sin that badly

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel zinc]

Any Updates sims? Not in the pins

[molten citrus]

only whats in fuu's sheet atm

[sly shore]

fuu's sheet doesn't have updated apl

(just checked)

[alpine wraith]

yea the apl changing is still a wip

[leaden prairie]

Guys

I'm canceling sub

Sorry

This is sin tier

[alpine wraith]

wait until 3 or 4 buffs to sin first

they will come in time

you can play sub and just not rng a 15% chance of doing half dmg

every sec tech

[vestal escarp]

huge buff already in

[keen dome]

do I get a subrefund

[alpine wraith]

that is not a 500k dps buff

might need some more buffs

[thin lion]

I think WE need more BP buffs

[leaden prairie]

No but I cancel you aswell

[alpine wraith]

nah just triple goremaws dmg

trust

[leaden prairie]

Never liked your pfp

[keen dome]

what!

But I'm a cool skeleton!

[leaden prairie]

Too late

You get canceled

[keen dome]

can't believe I'm cancelled.

I'm like a cool netflix show

[cloud rover]

Every Netflix show pretends to be cool

[keen dome]

just like me

[cloud rover]

and you know

only 1% of netflix shows

are cool

...

[keen dome]

Just. like. me.

[umbral relic]

Is the best finisher sequence possible in burst window is first Coup de Grace then Secret Technique?

If yes, so wouldn’t it be worth to fish for Coup de Grace before the 25 seconds and hold it even more?

[hazy breach]

No

You want coup after sectech for the cdr

Generally

So you get your second sectech earlier

But yes coup is gonna be up after the 25s most of the time

Thats part of why its good

[haughty mural]

pressing 2-3 ruptures or no dmg eviscerates in that time doesnt make or break the rotation

0 = 0

[tulip gorge]

I was told different yesterday

[alpine wraith]

that did not change at all

it is the same in s1q

[umbral relic]

Doesn’t sectec benefit a ton from Flawless Form?

[alpine wraith]

not really

it is more important to get more sec techs

[umbral relic]

Ok so cdr > than flawless form

[haughty mural]

2x sectech > sectech with some form stacks

(simplified)

[hazy breach]

During your flag+blades coup after

Otherwise coup before, but it doesnt really matter

[hazy breach]

Yes but you only get flawless form if you have have fazed up, which you often dont after holding

And the second sectech is the biggest hit since its amped by cold blood, so the first one is less important comparatively

[sly shore]

sectech applies fazed too

for big button

so you'll have it for all dances poggers

[tribal blade]

how's this idea: sectec is only useable in dance and has a 8 second cd

and is reset upon activating dance

dance cdr suddenly means something, secret technique is now secret

and you can have x2 sectec when running TFD

in 1 dance

[cloud rover]

He cooking

[tribal blade]

imagine being in dungeons running TFD and you can have a triple sectec opener in all cds SHEEEEESH

[alpine wraith]

that would make too much sense

best i can do is buff bp again

and maybe backstab and PV

[tribal blade]

well looks like we playing DS then boys /cry

how much you wanna bet they buff DS again

[alpine wraith]

they will buff DS and assa