subtlety

[thin dove]

thanks 🙂

[shell willow]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[celest iron]

outlaw sims are ahead in st and dslice that is surprising

i haven’t really been following ptr

[steel zinc]

Outlaw is always top sim dps

Like has been for like atleast 5 tiers

Just no serious progression guild is gonna play it

Poor dmg profile

[round latch]

its what u will struggle to learn this patch coz

well u know

😉

[odd sandal]

!sim

[vestal escarp]

Gm pvp speccers

[boreal dune]

idk if this has been adressed before so sorry for repating but just download Fuus WA and the cd text on Flawless form is showing double (atleast for me , maybe its omniCC or something) but I changed Text 1 in display to %s instead of %p and now I both have stacks and CD lol.

[rocky lava]

OmniCD?

[boreal dune]

OmniCC lol

And I dont even have that addon anymore lol

[molten citrus]

My CD numbers kept turning themselves off altogether after I turned omniCC off

Those addons have some odd effect on CD numbers, idr what the deal was exactly

[rocky lava]

yea thats why it came to mind also

[molten citrus]

I think I ended up just turning omniCC back on so my numbers wouldn’t keep turning themselves off in default blizz settings

It never messed with my WAs though idk

Just action bar

[boreal dune]

Hate seeing double numbers

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight river]

any specific tips for Ansurek P2 please? I am using my full cooldowns on guardian on platform 1 and I portal to the other side at the start of platform 2 and I feel like after that I can't do much because I need dances and SoD for start of P3

[open vortex]

you can use another dance on plat 2 or 3, and still have enough for burst right at start of p3

[spark tusk]

Look for the “Hide Timer Text” option at the top of the display tab. Check that

[keen dome]

Penultimate week fo season 1: I have killed Ky'Veza on heroic every week. I have 6/6 Vault'd every week. Zero heroic transmitters. Imp telephone!!!

[alpine wraith]

you luck died just so someone got a mythic one with leech first kill

rip

[keen dome]

I will find them and I will give them a stern glare. And challenge them to a duel for the trinket.

(I will then lose this duel)

[haughty mural]

you'll be getting house of cards with tert on first kill

[keen dome]

🙏

Positive side of it: I can swap to HoC much earlier as I only have a 619 imp telephone

Negative side of it: lol getting hoC to drop at all

[tribal blade]

our queen kill tonight

[alpine wraith]

always log for yourself

[vale pine]

0.19% is not too bad

[tribal blade]

this time both the people running logs were on the other side /rip

[tribal blade]

on details i was at around 1.8 mil

i completely borked one of the P3 add sets, i sent symbols on dance when sectec had ~15 secs left on cd

so supercharged 2 BPs smile

[vale pine]

should be around the number

if you combine it

[tribal blade]

it's just super frustrating this is still a thing

[vale pine]

1.736

• 0.046

---

1.782

[tribal blade]

i could have sworn i was above 1.8, but could be some other shenanigans

or i'm misremembering

[vale pine]

could be that some of it was not logged

hard to say

[tribal blade]

OH silken tomb damage

actually

that's it

i keep forgetting it's not counted in wcl

[tulip gorge]

it is a bit cringe how wcl randomly decides some types of damage shouldn't count

[vale pine]

i agree

it poisons the well so to say

[tulip gorge]

for example the adds on the first boss don't count

why

you cannot progress the fight without killing the adds

[vestal escarp]

Too polarizing for ranking

Given the state of classes

They should have disables adds at every fight minus ovinax

Or at ovinax disabled parasites

Since spiders are an actual mechanic

[keen dome]

I did way more keys as Assa than I remember

[vestal escarp]

Same but opposite cause my runs were mostly concentrated pre anniversary

[keen dome]

Hah

I did enjoy this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1341700176192077834/image.png?ex=67b6f329&is=67b5a1a9&hm=5dc68d7434708a5cd39d1ca9f46c73762a6a5ddf92d72fbacf9b1a793565fb78&

[tidal marsh]

[rough rivet]

is there a reason why https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=235363/suspicious-energy-drink is not included in the trinket sims for next patch? its a delve trinket and reads kinda good

[steel zinc]

Not mythic track

[rough rivet]

the other delve trinkets are in the sim. and this one goes to 665 like the other delve trinkets.

[vestal escarp]

Lmao redbull

[haughty mural]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

Took a mace for transmog from my vault today. Got the precise same mace from my Timealking box.

[haughty mural]

i am using my sparks to craft transmog

[keen dome]

Oooh yeah that's genius

I should do the same

[mint swift]

I wish you could offhand maces n stuff and be effective

If there was a mace with a cool effect it would be neat

[haughty mural]

a lot of people in here wish for that

(i don't)

[mint swift]

Why not

Transmog?

[keen dome]

I do simply because it creates more loot diversity for us.

Like we could be running the cool fist from the raid

[haughty mural]

but it would be good if shadow techniques would be normalized for the spec ye

[mint swift]

Like imagine foregetstorm or whatever it was

From dragonflight S2

[keen dome]

Yeah. It just makes more options which is cool. I don't know how you balance it but.

Fist weapon stabber pzl also can I have it in purple

[haughty mural]

yea imagine if sub could have used the fist weap in offhand this tier

[keen dome]

Right?

[mint swift]

Didn’t gessy just say that

Goober

[keen dome]

It wouldn't fit every tier but it'd give us options which I tihnk is cool.

[haughty mural]

oops my bad

didnt read properly sry

[keen dome]

Arguably the best solution is they fix daggers as a category in general because right now only two specs (one class) ever use Agi daggers which is absurd

[keen dome]

Haha it's cool same sentiment is good

[haughty mural]

just thought of contract already being so good for us

[keen dome]

Yeah!

Our OH is just a statstick anyway

So it'd just give us more options for said statstick and cool effects.

[mint swift]

I’d love that for assassination too

But it wouldn’t make sense

[keen dome]

The other solution is they simply fix Daggers being their own weird category discrete from One Handed Melee Weapons.

[haughty mural]

i dont even know if outlaws still use dagger in OH

[mint swift]

Please

I want good transmog

[keen dome]

Yeee

[mint swift]

But yea like

Mace off hand makes no sense for assassination

Sword / maybe axe

Sure

[keen dome]

It's the same issue with ranged weapons (bows/guns/crossbows) in that you have a single class using them and it pollutes the drop pool

[haughty mural]

my immersion

[keen dome]

Back in S1 of DF, my first kill of the first boss on mythic had him drop multiple crossbows

and we had no hunter in the party

[mint swift]

Tf you mean by immersion

[keen dome]

Smother an axe in poison

Just as effective

[haughty mural]

its more subtle 😉

[mint swift]

That but warglave for us

[mint swift]

True I guess

But when you put a backpack or smth on your chars your weapons magically disappear if they are back sheaths

[keen dome]

haah, yeah

[mint swift]

I hate that

[keen dome]

I mean free the stuff. Shove Warglavies into 1H melee weapons (so everybody who can, can use them), etc

[mint swift]

So much

[lilac stag]

Oh shit. We hit the transmog discussion part of the dev cycle while praying for attention. It’s getting bad now.

[keen dome]

It's always transmog discussion!

[void hound]

nice job

[mint swift]

Mfw when discussions naturally shift :0

[haughty mural]

i mean you can mog ur spear also into almost anything scath

[vestal escarp]

There simply shound be a cantrip dagger all seasons

To put into off hand

[haughty mural]

yea

[vestal escarp]

And feel good about yourself

[void hound]

fuck no, i hated nick of time

[keen dome]

It's very funny that DH's have a bespoke weapon type that only they can use. But they can ALSO use 1H Melees lmao

[lilac stag]

They should just make edge of night every season

[vestal escarp]

[mint swift]

Make a cool legendary

[tribal blade]

ty!

[vestal escarp]

Lego yikes

[tribal blade]

if we had killed it on an earlier pull i would have gotten a really fat parse

[mint swift]

?

Why is a Lego a bad thing
Legos aren’t bad, the ways them make you acquire them is imo

[void hound]

queen is unfortunately a pad fight

[mint swift]

Nono

[vestal escarp]

Enha sending totem on platform 2

[mint swift]

Those fur warriors just

Magically did that much single target

[vestal escarp]

And being uncatchable for the rest of the fight

[void hound]

fur warrior

🦊

[mint swift]

But yea nike why ain’t you up for leggos just curious

Mhmm

[keen dome]

I'm still expecting Rogue legendary but the complete lack of anything in 11.1 makes me less ure.

[vestal escarp]

Polarizing

[mint swift]

Wawwiors -w0

[vestal escarp]

You're the lego class that season and you arent the season after

[void hound]

bro thinks we get lego daggers when we dont even get a working t set 😭

[keen dome]

But after Fyrakk Axe I'm actually terrified of the absolute horrific grind we'd have to do

Do 600 theaters to show the daggers a good time

[mint swift]

A man can dream

[gritty gorge]

Is there any graph showing how much classes benefit from skyfury?

[mint swift]

Dps go up

[tribal blade]

you can see the literal exact moment i stopped pushing for title

with that trajectory i'm pretty confident i would have made title

but look at all this free time

[vestal escarp]

There another graph that shows rio bumps

[keen dome]

Hah, damn

[tribal blade]

i feel a little bit of "damn, i missed out"

but at the same time it doesn't feel nearly as bad as i was afraid it would

[lilac stag]

You missed nothing but self inflicted pain.

[tribal blade]

T R U E

[mint swift]

You needed to do those pet battles ofc

[tribal blade]

T R U E

[lilac stag]

Pain last night was Queen prog.

[tribal blade]

oh shit how close are you guys

[lilac stag]

Asked me last week. Close.
After last night. Not. Platforms apparently are too much thinking required.

roster boss worse

[tribal blade]

have you guys gotten through P2 yet?

because P3 is very fast to prog

if your raid team looks ahead at the exact cadence of P3 you can get her down fast

[lilac stag]

We hit plat 3 a few times. We should have seen p3 already, but well we haven’t

[tribal blade]

still doable

just need to clean up P1 and 2 and then have people know exactly what is going on in P3

before you get there

[lilac stag]

Yeah. Next week is sus though

I don’t see any raiding happening on Tue

[mint swift]

Just
Kill her?

[haughty mural]

[vestal escarp]

Man this close to end of season must be tough mentally

[tribal blade]

it sounds like you have a third of the fight left to do, but you can do P3 prog pretty fast

[lilac stag]

Some rather kill them selves over and over.

[mint swift]

In mythic is P3 still the easiest like heroic

[tribal blade]

yes

[vestal escarp]

Almost nobody is gonna lock these weeks, just ask around for help

[tribal blade]

P1 and P2 much harder

[lilac stag]

P2 shouldn’t be this hard

It’s simple compared to p1

[tribal blade]

P2 is tricky

P2 has a lot going on

[vestal escarp]

P2 was tought on dps checks

With buff now it's all execution

[tribal blade]

dps checks kinda non existant now

so long as you have enough people alive

i can only send 1 dance on 1st platform in cds

because of how fast shit dies

[vestal escarp]

Yeah stuff kills themselves just ask players to not get dragged down

[mint swift]

Graham you still going for achiv btw

Oh btw how’s queen as sub

Only did it properly as assas

[lilac stag]

The DH and I are basically duoing one platform

[tribal blade]

very chill

[keen dome]

I didn't go above a 10 once this season

[lilac stag]

The locks the other

[keen dome]

And I'm proud of being a 10 boy

[lilac stag]

People just need to live

[tribal blade]

sub has the added benefit of giving the raid parry protection

[mint swift]

Highest I did was a 14

[tribal blade]

and you spend a significant amount of time in front of her

[mint swift]

Somehow pugged a 14 SoB early in the season

[lilac stag]

Reminder. Woyer mode

[mint swift]

I wonder if next tier is gonna be harder than this tier

[keen dome]

I hope not

I'd like a chill heroic tier plz

[tribal blade]

odyn's fury>bladestorm>top dps

[worn cape]

Only trickster does that right?

[tribal blade]

yas

it's actually very nice for tanks tbh

[mint swift]

It was fun this tier

Heroic wise

[worn cape]

but does Outlaw trickster not also give parry protection? Or does Outlaw not play trickster at all?

[tribal blade]

because queen absolutely demolishes tanks on mythic

[mint swift]

And 4:8 mythic was fun

[lilac stag]

Basically. It’s funny how we still struggle with toxic placement. The last range one legit always fucks space for melee in intermission.

[tribal blade]

they literally cannot run the tree

[lilac stag]

To the point I’m basically afk

[tribal blade]

outlaw only has 1 hero tree

[keen dome]

This was a good Heroic tier except for Ansurek in pugs. Ansurek in pugs never really got to a good point, imo. But she's an excellent fight.

[tribal blade]

oh that's bad

we fix that fast in our raid haha

[worn cape]

Damn, that's kinda sad.

[tribal blade]

because all the melee are like "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS"

[mint swift]

Tbh Assa has 1.5

[lilac stag]

Tried but at the point changing anything probably sets us back.

and you know melee just complaining

Points at every single video not having a green patch sitting right in melee

[tribal blade]

i think this is one of those times where it's legit complaining 😉

[lilac stag]

oh trust. It was brought up.

[mint swift]

What’s the toxic again?

The bubble?

Or is it a mythic mechanic

[lilac stag]

yes. Perma poison bomb on the ground.

Wrecks you

Unless dk or rogue or ret

[tribal blade]

it fucks melee positioning up

also you can get wrested into green shit and die

[mint swift]

Ohhh

[lilac stag]

So melee are running around a circle, get wrested into it or trying to run through it during one of the higher hps points

[tribal blade]

queen is pretty chill for ranged

it's hell for melee

[mint swift]

Isn’t that

Like most raid fights

“Oh RaNgEd DoEs LeSs DaMaGe It’S uNfAiR!!!!”

[lilac stag]

Queen is worse than most of recent memory

[tribal blade]

as melee you are legit nonstop moving the whole fight

[lilac stag]

Range has it easier and can also fuck over melee with their lack of understanding of mechanics.

[tribal blade]

sounds like it REALLY sucked for melee healers like hpal

because they had the worst of both worlds

[mint swift]

“But ranged does less damage!”

[tribal blade]

having to watch healthpools and react to people dying while nonstop moving and staying within range of the boss

[lilac stag]

I don’t know why anyone would willingly play melee healer

[tribal blade]

there are some raid fights where being melee is better

but it's not often

usually it's because ranged get some horrific mechanic

[lilac stag]

Not when you have 20 raid frames at your feet

Where are your frames as dps?

[tribal blade]

haha true

[lilac stag]

They’re off

Kekw

[tribal blade]

i have em on but i rarely look at them

i have a death addon to tell me when someone dies

that's actually a huge hack

so you don't dart your eyes to your frames when someone dies and risk getting hit by stuff

[lilac stag]

It’s not like a key where it’s smol real estate

[mint swift]

Tbh ranged players are such babies

So are melee players

And tanks

And healers

[tribal blade]

not wrong 😉

[vestal escarp]

Babby game

[tribal blade]

i've tried to chill out on the ranged vs melee thing, but on queen it's very true

[lilac stag]

I got yoinked by a phantom web. Got ressed before going into nipple soak. Was in the soak and it never registered me as in it. sigh… and jump off

[mint swift]

Play BM

You get best of both worlds

Ranged + the free movement of melee

[keen dome]

I'm gonna play a ranged rogue

[tribal blade]

nah i hate hunter

and i hate having pets

the last time i tried playing a hunter was 2005

[mint swift]

Bro I fucking love BM

[tribal blade]

actually i kind of enjoyed warlock and they have pets

[mint swift]

Might voluntarily play BM

[tribal blade]

i think i just don't like hunter

[mint swift]

Having like 7+ beasts out just tearing apart the dude I’m fighting

Feels awesome

[tribal blade]

i've never played modern BM but it sounds like brain rot

same as ret

[mint swift]

implying like 80% of specs aren’t

[tribal blade]

but being able to do your full rotation while nonstop moving must feel amazing

[mint swift]

Yes but you gotta remember
I like the flavour too

Also pet collecting is fun

[tribal blade]

hey you do you 😉

[mint swift]

Petopedia my beloved

[lilac stag]

Did one steal your chromatically tempered sword?

[mint swift]

Still sad to hear about mania though

[tribal blade]

dude

i actually have a memory from 2005 of doing BRD on my rogue

and having a hunter steal leather armor from me

i called him out

and he was like "i can use it"

[lilac stag]

I still remember that sword getting taken.

[wheat edge]

If a hunter got CTS the loot council needs to be investigated

[tribal blade]

and the entire party backed him up

infuriating

[lilac stag]

I took his bow out of spite.

[mint swift]

I’m still happy she got a cameo in wow at least

[tribal blade]

yeah the way loot worked back then was so bad lol

[lilac stag]

It was dkp back then

[tribal blade]

and how much mix and match there was across armor types

[wheat edge]

I kinda love it

[mint swift]

“But it added a cool community aspect! In retail it’s just a boring slot machine. Retail bad classic good!”

[tribal blade]

retail good players classic players who click every single ability

[mint swift]

I still use DKP

we also have VKP

[lilac stag]

The 3 rogues realized quickly our hunters were fucks and we had a rogue loot council. Decided who would get what and the other two would only bid 1 dkp

[mint swift]

If your someone who thinks lfr and lfg ruined the game you most likely have brain damage

[wheat edge]

Like on current fresh, warrior pre-bis is basically the same as rogue, so just full leather, and if they pull aggro on any raid mob they get 1 tapped

[tribal blade]

i think lfr is awesome

[mint swift]

B-But it removes the community!

[tribal blade]

back when i was casually playing the game i could still see the raid fights with very little stress

[mint swift]

And it’s to easy!!!

[mint swift]

Exactly

And people who say it’s to easy
Look at classic raiding

[tribal blade]

i remember what playing the game is like when you're more casual

[lilac stag]

Some of the best twitch clips are HC players getting phase when joining a group. Ngl I laugh every time.

[mint swift]

Gd imagine playing this game for just rp

I keep saying it

[lilac stag]

in Stormwind is amazing

[mint swift]

But you must love such a happy life

[tribal blade]

i watch their guild chats and it's half full of "need invite off layer 6"

[wheat edge]

I almost lost a 60 rogue to layering on the plaguelands road

[tribal blade]

"need invite off layer 3"

[lilac stag]

Layer DN

[tribal blade]

there's no way i could play hardcore

i learn by failing, i would get nowhere

i'm also very impulsive

[mint swift]

Hi very impulsive

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVyRkl5qNb8

[dry plank]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[dry plank]

guys I just saw a bug on top1 sub in m+ where coup de grace stacks does not consumed and it stop work

it is not in the list

[tribal blade]

yeah you need to restart your game if that happens

[alpine wraith]

yea you have to relog

that one is an og one

fast alt f4

[tribal blade]

it doesn't get fixed if you reload

[alpine wraith]

relog

[tribal blade]

i even once relogged and it was still bugged

had to relog twice

[alpine wraith]

all the times it happened an alt f4 fixed it for me

weird

[tribal blade]

it has something to do with casting coup when you hit latency iirc

something weird like that

[mint swift]

Bugs in wow

Noooo

Never heard of it

[tribal blade]

this one i'm not sure if they even need to address

it just happens randomly once in a while

not often

i main sub and i haven't had it happen in a few months or so

[dry plank]

when it happened on high key on boss fight you would have different mindset xD

[tepid trellis]

at that point you just give up

and go next

[tribal blade]

yeah it blows, but it's very 1 off

[alpine wraith]

you will lose less dps just alt f4 and maybe dying

than trying to play

with that bug

[tribal blade]

not as bad as RS bug munching entire finishers

all the time

[alpine wraith]

nah coup bug is worse because you also dont proc unseens

[tribal blade]

it's worse when it happens yeah

but it's just it happens so rarely

[dry plank]

coup bug is just damage reduction

RS bug damage ur mentality as well

[tribal blade]

RS bug is perma active

or soon to be WAS 🙂

[lilac stag]

It happens on occasion if I start smashing evis keeb

[lilac stag]

Soon to be replaced by perma bugged tier

[tribal blade]

noooooo

[lilac stag]

Someone needs to TC a non Sectech build.

[tribal blade]

you can run a non sectec build

[analog hearth]

what part of it is still bugged since its partially fixed?

[tribal blade]

if you want to fight with the tanks in damage

[lilac stag]

the positive bugs got fixed. The negative bugs still exist.

#sublyfe

[analog hearth]

so stacks can be gained/lost now but 4set not working?

[lilac stag]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[lilac stag]

Easier to open the sheet and look.

[molten citrus]

ooh they fixed the interaction with shadowed finishers? that's nice

[grand wyvern]

does it look like we are gonna just rupture and snd too keep stacks between cds right now?

[alpine wraith]

you wont need to snd

just rupture is enough

[haughty mural]

not having it on ptr and then going back to retail and reliving it

pain

[lilac stag]

want worse pain?

Relearning warrior for 1 week of possible Queen prog

I dread next week lol

[haughty mural]

stap

[lilac stag]

I have to copy it over to the ptr and mess with it. Was hoping to avoid that.

[tribal blade]

big pain

[woeful rain]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unreal parrot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

what's even better is they gatekeep the fuck out of their ptr sims/apl. zero info posted

[haughty mural]

ikr

i hate that

hunter aswell

or did they change it in ts lodge ?

[lilac stag]

They have a tc channel

[haughty mural]

figured

wasnt too deep into there since i did my last CE as hunter

[clever delta]

Next Wednesday is new patch right

Not much time left for them 😄

[gritty gorge]

Is there a list of M+ abilities each season, which you can negate using Evasion?

[haughty mural]

they will fix till then ..

[clever delta]

Surely not some emergency half way fix

[edgy zenith]

boys I'm missing first week of raid, what M+ dungeon am I spamming for new trinket to catch up? azerokk's resonating heart is like the only one that seems like it could be okay on paper

or are all m+ trinkets ass next tier?

[haughty mural]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Unless they do some trinket tuning (which they probably will) almost all specs are looking to use Eye of kezan and house of cards

[edgy zenith]

oh, trinket tuning is that wonky rn?

[hazy breach]

I mean those 2 trinkets i listed are like 2-2.5% ahead of the second best option

And the fact that house of cards give like 15-20% more stats than the 2 min on-use from priory

Feels a bit silly

But who knows

Also for sub its fine since transmitter is as good as house of cards anyway

[edgy zenith]

wait transmitter is still as good as house of cards?

[hazy breach]

(aka maxxed mythic transmitter is as good as maxxed mythic house of cards)

[edgy zenith]

lmao

transmitter is kinda goated I guess

[grand wyvern]

they are gonna be malding about it week one and nerf it asap

[swift tinsel]

wouldn't be surprised if they nerf mythic transmitter to lose to max hero track house

[lilac stag]

lol arms ST sim 3.1milly and fury 3.0. gl rogues

time to buff BP for sub & CT for assa.

[haughty mural]

what are we at right now ? 2.5 right ?

[lilac stag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

Less since tier works in sims

2.2 for assa

[haughty mural]

assa at 2.2

arms deserves it

[hazy breach]

Yes a nerf to transmitter and spymaster is expected, but who knows

[safe sparrow]

yo boys, which spe you will recommand for s2 ?

[hazy breach]

Impossible to tell what will be better beforehand

But sub is fun

I like big burst and i cannot lie

[worn ivy]

Any news?

[leaden prairie]

even outlaw would use eye

while its a stat trinket

with mastery

[hazy breach]

Yep

[twilit phoenix]

they better do trinket tuning honestly

i'd rather have a farmable m+ trinket that's decent

rather than piss shit seethe and mald for weeks without house of cards

[hazy breach]

I mean if theres no tuning you just keep your transmitter and its fine

[rough rivet]

shouldnt that new delve trinket be pretty pog for us? (https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=235363/suspicious-energy-drink)

[twilit phoenix]

bold of you to assume I have a mythic transmitter

guild hasn't seen one drop

[hazy breach]

Well you need a mythic house of cards to replace a hc transmitter

[twilit phoenix]

0 in vault

that makes me feel better at least haha

thatnks eleem

[worn ivy]

is house of cards raid drop ?

[hazy breach]

Its pretty good ye

But its like 2% behind eye of kezan

Like all other trinkets are

[tepid trellis]

yes

third last boss

[rough rivet]

well ya, eye looks way too good 😄

[worn ivy]

@tepid trellis book me a raid boost than D:

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[twilit phoenix]

how bad is that 1.5 min delve trinket

[astral axle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit?gid=493889490#gid=493889490

[twilit phoenix]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=234217/funhouse-lens

[leaden prairie]

Surely they will just mega buff every trinket anyway

They can't have s1 trinkets be that much better

[hazy breach]

Theyll just nerf transmitter and spymaster

They still havent made most embellishments work with ilvl

Like most were so sure they were gonna do in S1

[weary saffron]

do you have the sim for transmitter vs house on hand atm

[hazy breach]

But nah just make them irrelevant ig for fun

[hazy breach]

They sim the same

[weary saffron]

yeah i just want the picture for the absurdity to be honest

no worries

ill do it later

[hazy breach]

It gives haste or crit

[twilit phoenix]

so probably pretty stinky doodoo?

[hazy breach]

Also think that its a world quest trinket, not a delve one

Not sure though

[lilac stag]

Right after they fix sub tier set

[lilac stag]

Not familiar with font of power eh?

[weary saffron]

i am not

is that pre 9.0?

[kind edge]

any news about the fix tierset?

[uneven scarab]

If it procs haste its a Massive L

not worth

[tepid trellis]

its from 8.2

[lilac stag]

8.2 used forever past is original tier

[weary saffron]

yikes

[lilac stag]

get comfy with transmit

[weary saffron]

oh im fine with it in play

its just kinda cringe

at least 1 gear piece done i suppose

[alpine wraith]

almost 2 to change the circe rign you also need a M ring

upgraded

[random hare]

guys

[marsh magnet]

Could someone explain me why we use Vanish inside of shadow dance according to wowhead? What im missing?

[random hare]

do i ever shuriken storm in aoe for FW?

trickster

[swift tinsel]

with 2nd charge of rotten

[sly shore]

that's not inside shadow dance

[uneven scarab]

This is before ur dance, its just for premed which gives you full cp

[sly shore]

you've cut off shadow dance even

[uneven scarab]

Yee

[sly shore]

just to ask why it's in shadow dance

[random hare]

shuriken storm inside or out of dance or are u replying to infcvctor

[sly shore]

[uneven scarab]

[slate lantern]

stop changing your prof pic its confusing

[sly shore]

yeah vanish is totally inside dance

[uneven scarab]

Second charge of rotten inside dance should be storm

[swift tinsel]

you strike -> sectech -> storm -> bp

[tepid trellis]

without rotten you dont storm in dance, but you should have some FW up from storming outside of dance

[leaden prairie]

swear we had this conversation

one week ago

[alpine wraith]

but how about another conversation now?

for the channel to not feel lonely

[slate lantern]

so how bout that shaman party buff, pretttttty good amiright

[leaden prairie]

i was right

[swift tinsel]

they sure were down bad without it

[leaden prairie]

he forgor

[lilac stag]

Multiple times I believe.

[leaden prairie]

i think zeross forget every time

he will get it tho

[lilac stag]

Assa gonna be meta again. Won’t matter.

[leaden prairie]

get me out

[jaunty heath]

Well kinda

[alpine wraith]

dont worry assa will get buffed 4 times again

just need to wait some weeks

[tepid trellis]

i hope assa is meta

that means the fotm reroll will annoy whispyr and not me

sounds like a win to me

[lilac stag]

Look at warrior sims. Assa needs more than 4 buffs.

[alpine wraith]

i mean all specs need some buffs or nerfs if they want to be rogue

[swift tinsel]

woyer gonna get knocked down a few pegs

[alpine wraith]

lots of 2.8+ and 2.7m

things goinga round

[swift tinsel]

so the 4 in my guild reroll off my token

[lilac stag]

3.1 kekw

Execute 3.8

[grand wyvern]

and my guild leader who mains warrior wants to switch to rogue and take my loot

[leaden prairie]

Guys

How long does it take to learn fury

[lilac stag]

If they RL they should be BM

[swift tinsel]

I'm tryna get one of the warriors to reroll to havoc since we don't have a dh

[crystal bone]

who the hell would switch to rogue

we suck

[leaden prairie]

[tepid trellis]

a day

[swift tinsel]

fury takes like seven seconds to learn

[leaden prairie]

I'm slow

[lilac stag]

Did you look at 11.0 Dps charts? All three rogues at top. Hardly suck

[swift tinsel]

its the ultimate unga bunga melee

[lilac stag]

3

[leaden prairie]

Ok sound sgood

[alpine wraith]

arms is easier and cooler

[swift tinsel]

^

[lilac stag]

arms isn’t easier

[tepid trellis]

you just need to look up fights

so you know when to fire CDs for max pad

[lilac stag]

fury is outlaw light

[alpine wraith]

then only cooler

[fringe geyser]

guys. how is herorotation to learn sub? what logs can i achieve with herorotation?

[leaden prairie]

0

[fickle mason]

Is sub black powder/evis build a lot closer to sin now? Or is there still a damage gap? Lots of testers on PTR doing sub and it felt good last night personally or am I biased because I like it.

Question mainly referring to m+ but valid for raiding too.

[slate lantern]

tf is herorotation

[tepid trellis]

depends on the boss

[swift tinsel]

is that like hekili

[tepid trellis]

A single target fight with 0 downtime

probably 99

anything else

[alpine wraith]

yea it is an addon kinda

[tepid trellis]

its gonna suck ass

[lilac stag]

addons like they don’t work well for sub. Too much cdr / refunds that need response from players

[swift tinsel]

ew

sorry

[lilac stag]

They’re fine for assa

[tepid trellis]

its the same shit for assa

when it isnt something static

you are doing

the helpers wont be helping much

[vale pine]

it is the same for any cooldown based spec

you need to adjust to timings

[lilac stag]

If you fuck up assa outside of 1m/2m it’s w/e

[fringe geyser]

i tested this with with assa and outlaw. pretty decent logs in every content

[tepid trellis]

it runs off, of the apl so its fine in telling you to stop dancing

but throw any not static timing fight

and it doesent know what to do anymore

[lilac stag]

I’m not talking sub

I said it’s fine for assa

It’s fucked for sub

[slate lantern]

logs are the most important thing in enjoying a video game, facts

[tepid trellis]

im telling you it isnt

i tried using it

[lilac stag]

babs had no problem getting purple parses with it

[tepid trellis]

just dont use the addon on any fights with varying cooldown timings

dont bring that shit on Court or Queen

that shit is gonna mess u up

[lilac stag]

you know they do have ways to pause CD usage.

[tepid trellis]

you ahve to set it up

which means you understand the spec

which means you dont need the addon to begin with

[lilac stag]

it’s a toggle. What setup

lol

[tepid trellis]

to know how much it needs to hold

i tried messing around with it for sub, but got annoyed and deleted it

[alpine wraith]

that is the conclusion for most of those

[slate lantern]

once you pause CD usage next patch itll be a very complicated rotation to follow, im not sure the addon will be able to keep up

[lilac stag]

If you’re familiar with setting out up, you’re likely fine on those specs. sub is a different monster. I tried it when someone couldn’t get CDs to show up and it gives wrong recommendations. Like send SoD before CDR on SecTech is properly reduced.

[tepid trellis]

also yeh wasent talking about that toggle, but actually setting it up for stuff like Silken court timers

[fickle mason]

Do you sec tech immediately on shd or do you still farm stacks?

And do you back stab for stacks still

[tepid trellis]

no stabbing

Generally speaking you sectech as first finisher (there are some rules that exempt this)

[fickle mason]

Anybody seen a tier dps estimate chart?

[lilac stag]

It’s really not that difficult for a robot to check buff status and say press rupture.

[tepid trellis]

0p-4p is around 30% for sub

[vestal escarp]

[lilac stag]

[twilit phoenix]

Wow is that real?

Crazy holy

[fickle mason]

What m+ on use trink is valid for sub

[alpine wraith]

our current tier set is already 10% or so

[fickle mason]

To replace my 639 transmitter

[alpine wraith]

none

[tepid trellis]

none

[alpine wraith]

we will keep transmitter until tier ends

[slate lantern]

none

[alpine wraith]

unless it is nerfed

or you get a fully upgraded mythic house of cards

[slate lantern]

C O L L E C T B U F F

[fickle mason]

How can I not suck ass at using transmitter

[swift tinsel]

practice

lock in

[slate lantern]

theres WAs for it

which help a lil bit

unfortunately they cannot tell between collecting the orb and standing on the plate so those you still have to determine, but the jump 3x is ezpz

[leaden prairie]

I hope they nuke transmitter

So that

[lilac stag]

!transmitter

[wicked jolt]

The orb and circle from Treacherous Transmitter always spawn in the same spot. Relative to how your character is facing it spawns northeast/1:30 o'clock/frontright, this means you can know where it will spawn and react accordingly.
https://i.imgur.com/cTPN4Tz.png

[leaden prairie]

LFR house

Is better

I cba with transmitter

[swift tinsel]

Plz god

[alpine wraith]

you want to do even less dps

[leaden prairie]

Sucjh a shit designed trinket

[alpine wraith]

that is how

[leaden prairie]

The dev that made it is a psychopath

[swift tinsel]

I'll take the dps hit to not have to deal with the minigame

[alpine wraith]

likely they have a mini screen of reels of people dying to transmitter

[vestal escarp]

yes obviously he's undermining sub

triple agent

[leaden prairie]

There are 3 things I hate this season about sub

That makes me not wanna play it

1 is transmitter

2 is RS bug

[fickle mason]

Fuck it rerolling BM

[leaden prairie]

3 is shuriken tornado

[vestal escarp]

3?

whats that?

[swift tinsel]

honestly that's a pretty based list

[alpine wraith]

tornado is whatever unless you really want to use it wrong

just to feel a rush

[vestal escarp]

like

[alpine wraith]

not taking it is fine

[swift tinsel]

thankfully #2 is out next week

[vestal escarp]

if you cant get coup first dance of flag

and send nado on second dance

you effectively miss coup

[alpine wraith]

you use tornado after cds

to get cdr and ruptures up etc etc

[vestal escarp]

yeah at 6t

[alpine wraith]

in a spec where every global or 2 is a finisher getting 4 finishers is not huge

[fickle mason]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[alpine wraith]

so you'd rather use it outside blades and get some cdr

[leaden prairie]

It still feels bad to press

[vestal escarp]

Cope tornado

[alpine wraith]

yea it is not good

[leaden prairie]

I hate the button

[edgy zenith]

ooo i actually have a rotation question: full combo points and flag comes up. flag > evis > cds > strike or flag > cds > evis

[alpine wraith]

usually when flag is ready you can get rupture into pandemic

so you flag rupture then go into dance

[edgy zenith]

ye, but some timings that don't work

which is better?

[alpine wraith]

then you did something weird

[edgy zenith]

M+?

[vestal escarp]

yeah you should always control your cds usage

[alpine wraith]

in m+ you can do whatever kinda

but doing flag dance sec tech is fine

just not ideal

[edgy zenith]

so it's better to flag evis cds go?

not just flag cds sectech?

if at full cp?

[alpine wraith]

for m+ it depends on on other things too because if you want to flat at the beginning

you would strike flag rupture storm rupture then go cds

[edgy zenith]

robot is doing flag > cds > sectech

dunno why I ask rotation questions in here

never get a binary answer

[jaunty heath]

Because there is no clear answer for m+

Nobody is trying to gatekeep information

Are you playing ds are you playing trickster, is your snd about to fall off, how long is your dance cd, how many charges of sod do you have and many many more conditions in m+

Raid is easier

[leaden prairie]

I am

[jaunty heath]

In m+ you send shit when you normally wouldn’t on a dummy

[leaden prairie]

If xtn is worse at sub

It makes me better

[jaunty heath]

Because you know there’s downtime between packs, RP, talking whatever

[edgy zenith]

I only asked for m+ because I got a "you would normally reapply rupture"

like bro

even in raid there are timings/instances where pandemic doesn't land with flag

downtime/etc

[jaunty heath]

It’s not about pandemic tho

Is rupture lasting your full cds?

Don’t rupture

Is it not lasting?

Just rupture

[edgy zenith]

it's lasting

now what

the answer is just go sectech

after flag

don't puit the evis

the roboto told me so

[jaunty heath]

You go secret tech yes

You evis in the opener for snd

Technically you should evis on flag but

[leaden prairie]

I just flag > goremaw @edgy zenith

[edgy zenith]

bro I'm a Sin main at this point

all my sub parses are fucking cooked

[twilit phoenix]

is it true goremaw is meta against next patch?

[alpine wraith]

just roll better crits for sub ez

yea man big goremaw build just dropped

[twilit phoenix]

but they're changing the name tho

goremaw's nibble

[jaunty heath]

Goremaw

You could also sepsis-strike-flag-rupture

If you wish to do so

[leaden prairie]

Banger opener

But the ogs remember to vanish after sec tech

[twilit phoenix]

cheap shot

kidney

duel the healer

step kidney

[alpine wraith]

this build makes it so you pave the way for better parses for other people

[leaden prairie]

So you can have a second one after the cdr reset

[twilit phoenix]

pull the camera on em

[alpine wraith]

lets call it the sub parse giver

making sure others get better ranks

[edgy zenith]

holy fuck I'm logging OUT

[jaunty heath]

You cooked with this one king

[alpine wraith]

someone needs to int for buffs

[wheat edge]

The most secret build is not talenting into secret tech

[jaunty heath]

Tripple Secret tech beginning of the season was a banger feeling

[alpine wraith]

nah that way devs actually catch on

[leaden prairie]

Guys

[jaunty heath]

Not so great when you couldn’t fit itnsometikes

[alpine wraith]

that goremaw is cheeks

[jaunty heath]

Sometimes*

[leaden prairie]

I have a question for my fellow sub enjoyers

[alpine wraith]

also remember to stack PV

for big goremawer

4m hit BIG

[twilit phoenix]

ideally, what should goremaw even do nowadays

[alpine wraith]

triple the dmg it does

big talent

just let it be the nuker

[hazy breach]

Sure that would make it better but not really good, why does it have the energy stuff if it just does big damage

[alpine wraith]

yea no idea legion goremaw was 800% ap

ours is 300%

for some reason

[hazy breach]

Idk i feel like it needs a redesign, it currently doesnt really serve much of a purpose.

[alpine wraith]

they did reduce the CD tho

but still

[twilit phoenix]

big dam button feels kinda deadge

[hazy breach]

Either that or our energy needs a redesign to make it more valueable

[twilit phoenix]

feels like it should interact with the kit

[jaunty heath]

What’s the question

Im not ignoring you I got you buddy

[leaden prairie]

Goremaw should be a ranged finisher

That gives sub 20% more chance to Crit

[alpine wraith]

deadly throw used to be decent dmg btw once upon a time

[leaden prairie]

Would do a gun sound

[hazy breach]

Where have i heard this one before

[hazy breach]

Ye but only to the target

Not as a buff on yourself

[leaden prairie]

Nah that's old

We on the new wow now

[slate lantern]

i had to update my shadowcraft refund noise to the shotgun noise from outlaw cause my brain is so used to that sound for CPs back

[leaden prairie]

Debuffa are cringe

[leaden prairie]

I got you homie

[jaunty heath]

Tell that Deathstalkers mark

I beg you

[vestal escarp]

gmb placeholder

[leaden prairie]

No one likes ds

[twilit phoenix]

DSM on the player instead of target would go crazy

[jaunty heath]

DS would be fine if we didn’t get shafted by assa getting a bug fixed and we got the stupid mark bug

Which was working before btw

Amazing

[alpine wraith]

you can log in then look at fatal intent

for some giggles

[vestal escarp]

then who's getting the prio dmg?

[wheat edge]

What would they do with singular focus etc then

[alpine wraith]

if you ever feel the need

[leaden prairie]

On your target

[wheat edge]

Is the player taking singular focus damage

[twilit phoenix]

yeah the player takes the damage

[wheat edge]

Selfharm build

[leaden prairie]

Target

[twilit phoenix]

it's a kiss/curse build

[jaunty heath]

Your target…

[leaden prairie]

You know

[vestal escarp]

On your target
boring ahh reply

[wheat edge]

Time to bind everything as focus macros and have my real target as my teammates

What now

[leaden prairie]

So good

[wheat edge]

Targets other than your target

[leaden prairie]

Ye

[vestal escarp]

in that case hunt them down would literally be AA dmg node

[leaden prairie]

That's how bf works btw

[jaunty heath]

Uhm yes?

[leaden prairie]

Just the other way around

[jaunty heath]

I don’t know what’s wrong about that sentence

[twilit phoenix]

damn reverse funnel holy

so caustic would splash back onto MT?

[hazy breach]

It already does

[twilit phoenix]

but it would giga juice singular focus

[hazy breach]

Why

[jaunty heath]

It’s the same thing

[wheat edge]

How

[jaunty heath]

Guys

Are we okay

[hazy breach]

Its the exact same as now

[jaunty heath]

[leaden prairie]

[vestal escarp]

[uneven scarab]

outlaw enters the chat collective iq drops 50

[wheat edge]

Somnius just figured out assa funnel damage

[twilit phoenix]

damn pepega

[jaunty heath]

You can’t say that after your target argument a second ago

Banned

[twilit phoenix]

i don't even read the sin tooltips man

[leaden prairie]

Funny cause somnuis is a blue name

[twilit phoenix]

shit is so zzzz

[wheat edge]

I mean it reads weird

[leaden prairie]

No it doesn't

[twilit phoenix]

sub season I beg

[leaden prairie]

You just don't know how to read

[jaunty heath]

Other targets than your target

[uneven scarab]

kir icon tho

[jaunty heath]

[twilit phoenix]

it's the best icon

[leaden prairie]

Fake

I made that icon

So proud

[jaunty heath]

That icon made you

[twilit phoenix]

it's a banger one

[wheat edge]

Idk I am pretty sure I am right

[jaunty heath]

Icons making icons damn Zac

[twilit phoenix]

my fav rogue icon for sure

i miss old ER icon tho

[wheat edge]

[uneven scarab]

i didnt say it was bad

its a cool icon

[leaden prairie]

You have poopy hands

[jaunty heath]

Do you play Warrior by chance

[wheat edge]

Yeah

[jaunty heath]

It shows

Jk

[wheat edge]

[minor aurora]

im not sure if its cause im not geared or what, but when im doing dungeons using the finder i do terrible damage

like, basically always bottom dps, above healer

[slate lantern]

got a log?

or are we talking leveling dungeons

[kind bluff]

do the adds on rashan go towards parse?

[minor aurora]

just random dragonflight dungeons using the dungeon finder

[grand wyvern]

shit dies too fast and scaling is broken i wouldnt worry too much about it

[tight bison]

anyone have any Sub talents for 11.1 mythic? 🙂

[kind bluff]

yea dont sweat lvling dungeons a lvl 11 tank will top dmg by 99%

[uneven scarab]

yeah ur not gonna get like any value out of sub's cds which is ALL ur damage

[minor aurora]

alright, just feels weird seeing like a level 20 Druid deal 10k dps and I’m doing 1.7k 😭 I feel I’m getting knowledge gapped somehow

[minor aurora]

This is true

I can’t really pop my cds all that well

[swift tinsel]

level scaling is crazy so I wouldn't worry too much

[uneven scarab]

yeah the scaling is also really weird

for sure

[swift tinsel]

dps while leveling isn't really worth stressing over, things change a lot when you're max level and pushing more appropriate content

[minor aurora]

Alright, tbf for me my endgame is likely to be dragonflight stuff

don’t have access to TWW

[lilac stag]

Nothing changes

Take RS is you were not

[thin lion]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid jackal]

Who is ready for a sub tier

[paper iron]

Yay

[swift tinsel]

dressed for the occasion

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sterile kiln]

is there a delay after you press coup de grace and the dmg going out? or is it just the animation

[lucid jackal]

MY MAN

[swift tinsel]

that's a stylish mf right there

[vale pine]

the transmog says "paladin" or "warrior"

[swift tinsel]

changed the hat to go full mariachi

[molten citrus]

lemme peep that item list

[lilac stag]

It says lifted from transmog channel with a shoulder change.

[jaunty heath]

Nah it says lifted from tmog channel pre tww release with exactly those shoulders

[lilac stag]

better to lift transmogs than mythic lockouts

[lilac stag]

You need a day of the dead skull belt

and old school daggies

https://tenor.com/view/banderas-antonio-banderas-desperado-lets-play-gif-25755991

[swift tinsel]

Its the Haliscan Hat, Jacket and Pantaloons with Dress Shoes

the hat you need to do a super short quest in Tanaris to kill Don Carlos in Old Hillsbrad

the rest should be on the AH for maybe a couple hundred gold each

gonna hide the belt so it has the red band across instead

oh wait Infinitely Collapsing Coil fits perf with the dagger illusion

[lucid jackal]

The shoulders and tabard are from TWW dumbass

I MADE THIS MOG I DIDNT LIFT SHIT

[vale pine]

needs better weapons

some music instruments would be fun as daggers

https://tenor.com/view/dance-maracas-shake-mexican-joe-manganiello-gif-18128384700033482783

[swift tinsel]

Agreed! There's maces that look like maracas

[vale pine]

^ like this

[swift tinsel]

but no good daggers

maces get all the fun wep mogs

you can get a literal femur

or a fish

[jaunty heath]

They are from tww channel but @sick lichen Cooked that pre release

[lilac stag]

[sick lichen]

[vale pine]

[lilac stag]

[keen dome]