subtlety

[sly shore]

dagger is real safe though yeah

[tribal blade]

you essentially double dip value when you craft wep with ascendance

[sly shore]

and if you wanna change embellish you can just griftah it

[tribal blade]

wep ilvl early on is big, upgrading embel early on is big

2 for 1

[sly shore]

idk embellishments are static value

they don't scale with ilvl

so it's basically ilvl only

[tribal blade]

oh does ascendance not gain value

damn

[sly shore]

no embellishment does

[lilac stag]

some of them scale slightly. Just not worth it

[tribal blade]

mmmm gotcha

i forgot they changed how embels scale now

[sly shore]

embellishments are really really bad

I suspect we get to a point where they aren't even worth 3ilvls ngl

💀

[lilac stag]

I think they’re done with the system but just keep it for crafting

It was near dead on release

[tribal blade]

i enjoyed whispyr's post about embels

[tribal blade]

that happened during DF

where gaining raw ilvl outscaled embels early on into a new tier

[mint swift]

I want Uber power embellish

[keen dome]

Yeah, feels like they'll ditch them in Midnight, or do something different. At least we have semi-deterministic crafting

[mint swift]

That was fun

[tribal blade]

i forget which tier for me that happened

[keen dome]

Abberus, maybe?

Oh, no. Probably Amirdrasil with the iLevel jump?

[mint swift]

I remember those toxic thorn boots in S2

[tribal blade]

i vaguely remember being in uld

[near junco]

Does anyone have the symbols of death - null macro at the ready? Or is there a command for it? Didn't see it immediately in the wowhead guide

[vestal escarp]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[near junco]

Thanks!

[worn cape]

I thought that one didn't work?

[clear osprey]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[vernal junco]

That’s something I didn’t expect.

[fallow nimbus]

Knife is good

If we could get it on myth track it would be turbo bis

[vestal escarp]

Mindblowing outcome

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-alexis-rose-shocked-jaw-dropping-jaw-drop-gif-23524458

[vernal junco]

thats even a 4% increase, huge

[vestal escarp]

Those 2 trinkets are like bread and butter of sub

[alpine wraith]

lantern is better than knife but not by much

sad that it is crit but still quite decent

[umbral relic]

/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null 
/cqs ```

doesn't work rly well

sometimes i can't cast at all

sometimes i can spam

[alpine wraith]

you never spam

what the macro does is just make you unable to use 2 in a row

you need to stop pressing

[umbral relic]

seems like cancelqueue is the same as classic

i'll dig in more

[alpine wraith]

it just resets if you dont press the button in 2 secs

[umbral relic]

yup i got same on classic spells, but sometimes it doesn't give a damn and let you spam like there was no reset

on classic*

and i just put 2 in a row right now 😮

[swift tinsel]

Did a tier test last night bc I saw there was a ptr update and evisc reset ~10% of all hits between phys and shadow so I’m gonna do a few more

Coup reset I think it was 12 times out of 22 casts (17 w FW) so I’m gonna try controlling for FW uptime better

[haughty mural]

I hope they keep utility/ qol once

Like flavor pocket

[keen dome]

Flavour pocket is redundant in TWW

It got baked into cooking itself which was actually good design by Blizz imo

[haughty mural]

For sure
What I meant was: they could add embellishments with some utility effects like flavor pocket was in df

[vale pine]

they baked flavor pocket into crafting

i think the change was smart

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, 100% agreed.

It'd be cool if Embelishments were more just QoL designed like you say. Add one you can put in boots which allows 500% movespeed in legacy content haha

[swift tinsel]

My guild complained bc I would drop hearty feasts and then healers would have to heal people back up instead of using the mage food I’d drop..

After a wipe

[haughty mural]

Out of fight waterwalking

[lucid lily]

just make everyone eat mage food

that's what we do

[swift tinsel]

That’s what I said to do, as the mage

[lucid lily]

got the healers to shut up so everyone wins

[keen dome]

Embelishmments being powerful QoL and stuff would be a real good direction for them to go

[swift tinsel]

Gimme finesse and perception embellishments

[keen dome]

I am really sad the Enginerting tinker is so bad because the idea of like, baking int a potion consumable into a piece of crafted gear is cool

And something they should do more of. An embelishment that's just a Rank 3 pot glued to the gear.

[swift tinsel]

Potion bombs were a super neat addition, I kinda wish they did a little more expanding on them

So few people know about them too it seems like

[worn cape]

Engineering always has the coolest stuff, but people either sleep on it or it is just worse than the alternative.

[vale pine]

the new engineering potion was used in the world first race

but nobody else wants to use it ^^

[keen dome]

It's drawback is so silly

[alpine wraith]

yea it is very useful to use

[vale pine]

its mroe

[alpine wraith]

it is a min max thing mostly

[vale pine]

people do like to think selfish

and the effect isn't that good for your hps/dps

but insane for your group

[keen dome]

I'm refering to the tinker potion, to be clear, which has a needless drawback

[vale pine]

oh

[swift tinsel]

It was assigned to their aug evokers, wasn’t it? It’s been a while and memory is fuzzy

[keen dome]

But I absolutely agree with the sentiment on the other stuff. It's really cool and interesting

[worn cape]

Do the potion bombs put your or the targets pot on cd?

[keen dome]

But specifically:

You heal for about a million more, but the burn is really dangeorus (and also never got scaled in any timewalking content lmao)

[plush roost]

Your own pots, so you can stack it

[alpine wraith]

they were used by tanks some healers and other people's if their cds were not huge

[plush roost]

Aka healer throws potion bomb of power at dps and they all tempered = wowee secondaries

[dim trail]

Hi all, wich ones are the best trinkets for M+?

season 2

[alpine wraith]

rn transmitter/house of cards and eye of kezan or drink

there are many mid to not bad trinks like heart of azerokk

[worn cape]

tbh during some boss vuln phases, I can see it useful.

[alpine wraith]

or some of the delve ones

[valid sundial]

can I macro flag and blades?

[plush roost]

Does shadow ritual knife return in season 2? And will it be on the new hero track?

Do maps carry over across seasons? Must i delve?

"must"

[cloud rover]

Im pretty sure

everything gets resetted

or has a Season 1 Tag on it

[keen dome]

You must Delve, yeah

[remote shuttle]

Not doing delves last weeks... I don't remember, loot is delve locked? Or can you find everything in every delve?

[molten citrus]

iirc pretty much everything is desynced in pve

[tulip gorge]

you shouldn't macro them together

[molten citrus]

like you sync up CDs, but you don't cast many on the same GCD at all

other than like trinket/pot etc

[vestal escarp]

/cast avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast Bladestorm

[lilac stag]

Swifty Macro

[worn cape]

Can you use it while your pot is on cd?

[valid sundial]

bruhhhhhh

its giving unholyyyyy

[molten citrus]

[alpine wraith]

sub is a cool spec

[remote shuttle]

Y hacha and subs are cool Gamerz

[valid sundial]

I like sub players in PVE

I need to emphasize the PVE part for Trickz

[dreamy badger]

Pvp doesnt exist

No need to specify

[alpine wraith]

pvp does exist but it is painful

also we are getting nerfed week 1(in pvp)

sec tech hits hard again

even after a 70% damage reduction

and works with blades

[vestal escarp]

Pvp spec

[molten citrus]

pvp been around longer than mplusser, surperior minigame of the 2 minigames

[molten citrus]

[vestal escarp]

Pvp is no minigame

It's a shitgame

[molten citrus]

nah

still going strong

[sick jackal]

for a while pvp has just been nerf what people cry about on forums

than actualy design or anything on it

[molten citrus]

idk i think they would stop buffing ret if that were the case

[tepid trellis]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plush roost]

No

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[turbid depot]

Hey guys, our 11.1 rotation gonna change at all?

[alpine wraith]

we will use dances a bit different likely but still nothing super in stone

only thing found fast is not using finishers that may reset tier set if flag is like 15-20 secs away

[turbid depot]

Got it, btw your videos / sheet helped me a lot reroling into rogue thx

[alpine wraith]

np hope they help rogue can be tricky

[shrewd grail]

https://gyazo.com/e023f1cd50426c969022339fb1f01f34

they made him reroling

[vestal escarp]

destro season?

[tidal copper]

With how many 90s windows this upcoming raid tier seems to have, what are the odds that Subtlety passes Assassination in raids?

[turbid depot]

i hope sub is gonna be better, i dont really like assa anymore

[hazy breach]

Sub was better for the majority of nerubar despite no good 90s windows

[tidal copper]

it didnt look like the raid data supports that

[hazy breach]

Assa got some sizeable buffs

[alpine wraith]

also assa is a bit behind rn in season 2

bad tier and other things

might get some 3 or 4 buffs again

[hazy breach]

Assa is better on rashanan and ovinax for sure

But early on nobody played assa on court or queen

[tidal copper]

Gotcha, I just started playing rogue a few weeks ago since it does much better boss damage than Windwalker and Subtlety seems to be behind in that regard

[hazy breach]

But ye sub is looking good because the new tier set is really strong

Assas tierset is really bad

[tidal copper]

thats what it looks like to me too

I was just struggling on target dummies last night trying to learn Subtlety, it felt like the cooldowns almost never lined up

[hazy breach]

Not naturally no

You pretty much need guides, its really hard to wing it

Sub is just very unintuitive

[tidal copper]

Yeah, i was looking at the guides, but things never seemed to line up the way that the guides said they would

[lilac stag]

Don’t use macros

[tidal copper]

and checking out Hekili or HeroRotation seemed to avoid using Flagellation despite it clearly being in the APL

[hazy breach]

Well it doesnt line up, you hold stuff to force it to line up

[leaden prairie]

Guys

Is sub dead

[lilac stag]

yes

Very dead

[leaden prairie]

Ah ok

Unluck

[lilac stag]

Outlaw pumping

[keen dome]

I ate a real big burger and feel dead, so I'm going to go with: yep, sub dead atm

[leaden prairie]

Ye I heard

Ttyty

[hazy breach]

Ye idk about those. Anyway the vast majority of subs damage is in the flag+blades anyway so as long as you do that correctly youre pretty much set

The dances outside flag+blades are not that huge

[terse imp]

Is macroing CDs for the initial SD + SoD + SS really that much of an issue if you're only that button in flag windows?

[hazy breach]

Esp next patch we are looking at like 75% of all of our damage being inside shadow blades, aka 16 seconds

[hazy breach]

I mean you can use it if you have them seperately bound too

In the middle of your burst you dont want them macroed

Like after your first dance fades, you want to dance immediately

[lilac stag]

just extra binds for no real reason

[hazy breach]

But if you symbols at the same time, you will not supercharge your sectech

So you need to hold symbols for a global or two to make sure sectech has less than 10s left on its cooldown so it can get supercharged

[shrewd grail]

sub rogue good for raiding next season tho ?

[hazy breach]

Why would it not be

[vernal junco]

I tried playing sub, and it felt really weird. There are long periods where I’m basically just AFKing, waiting for CDs and energy
just auto atk, there’s nothing else to do.

Is this how it’s supposed to be?

[hazy breach]

Yes

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[lilac stag]

Both should generally work. I know fuu did some work with one of the hekili people.

Make sure CD are turned on and you’re not hitting a dummy with zero health.

[terse imp]

Turned mine on and I see it there with the first few buttons matching sim output

[tidal copper]

yeah i only tried it on a few different dummies last night, but couldnt figure otu why it wasn't wanting to use Flagellation at all

so maybe it was the health thing or just dummies being dumb

[lilac stag]

I’m guessing you have CDs disabled or flag disabled

[tidal copper]

i checked all that, even played around with the APL to see if I could fix it. I may just have to see how it goes in raid tonight

[sly shore]

sub is rough to learn

psure this channel is going to be absolutely saturated in a few weeks

[terse imp]

Any guidance on where to send the odd Symbols? I find myself not utilizing the 'extra' one well and i'm not sure how much of a loss that really is

[valid sundial]

Peak sub rotation btw

[sly shore]

once people realise that it does good damage but is equally a shit show to learn

[lilac stag]

Nah. Outlaw and assa going to be kings

[tidal copper]

glad its not just me then

[lilac stag]

There’s a reason no one plays this spec

[sly shore]

I know how to play it simply because I've played sub consistently for years

and I keep up with the changes

[hazy breach]

Not big

[leaden prairie]

i know how to play it cause kieron taught me everything i know

[keen dome]

[sly shore]

so true actually

[vernal junco]

kind of missing invigorating shadowdust

[sly shore]

he ask question me answer

[sly shore]

stop typinh

[lilac stag]

clicks respec to assa button

[leaden prairie]

rip dust

[fallow nimbus]

"Why am i doing no dmg?" Uses everything on cd

[leaden prairie]

ok fr tho

i know how to play sub dont mock me

[sly shore]

if sub is massively far ahead

[leaden prairie]

!

[sly shore]

kinda have to play it

[leaden prairie]

sub is more fun than assa !

[lilac stag]

Then teach zeross

[sly shore]

but

if assa is equal or slightly behind

might as well play that

cos it's easier for the same outcome

[leaden prairie]

no because its less fun !

[keen dome]

Less purple, too

[lilac stag]

if you’re a VE assa can be purple

[keen dome]

Not the cool purple.

[leaden prairie]

guys

ok hear me out

waht if

its an outlaw tier

toughts ?

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[leaden prairie]

@sly shore

[sly shore]

Convince me

[leaden prairie]

big sword ?

ok wait

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

I support it being an outlaw tier. I'm not good enough nor do I play high enough for it to effect me. Ergo: CHAOS REIGNS

[sly shore]

100k ahead!!!

[molten citrus]

outlaw got +6% while the other specs got 0%

[leaden prairie]

sub tier is 30%

it wont stay 30%

[molten citrus]

outlaw tier!

[leaden prairie]

they will nerf it to be 20%

10%*

so sub get to do the same dps as sin

[tulip gorge]

they will buff assa instead

[sly shore]

then all 3 rogue specs in the bottom 25% for dps

[leaden prairie]

and then outlaw is about 400k dps ahead of both specs

[tulip gorge]

since their tier is utter garbage

[leaden prairie]

toughts ?

[vernal junco]

[leaden prairie]

are you convinced ???

also secondly !

[molten citrus]

make it sim higher right now

maybe i believe you then

[leaden prairie]

sub and sin both relly on the same 2 op trinket than every other spec in the game

[vernal junco]

outlaw always sims higher

[sly shore]

yeah transmitter

[leaden prairie]

ye the new one

[cinder steppe]

is casual good or sub or both?

[sly shore]

no

transmitter is better

[leaden prairie]

wat

no wea

!

[sly shore]

yes

[leaden prairie]

sims !

[hazy breach]

Transmitter?

[leaden prairie]

No wae dude

Does it sim higher than the new trinket

[hazy breach]

Maxxed out new trinket sims the same as transmitter

[leaden prairie]

It doesn't or

Bro why you trolling

[hazy breach]

But transmitter is also scuffed in sims

Because its got a +-3 second window to activate the buff

Which you cant turn off

[leaden prairie]

I mean I would litteraly give up half my DPS to not play transmitter tbf

I think this trinket make me play way worse

Just by existing

[hollow snow]

Eleem how impactful is the +- 3 seconds in sims

Roughly

[hazy breach]

I mean thats a fully maxxed out mythic trinket with tons of crests invested VS something you already have

[lilac stag]

@leaden prairie I legit think it could be with lack of ST bosses

[leaden prairie]

Actually I don't have it

[solemn creek]

sub tier is 30% on paper

its not in reality

with all the bug

[hazy breach]

Idk like 0.5-1% or something, they kept changing how it works in sims across and it made the APL scuffed plenty of time

[lilac stag]

sub tier is fighting with assa 4pc for 0 dps

[hazy breach]

Skill issue

[leaden prairie]

I don't even know what the bosses do this tier

[lilac stag]

There’s a lot of low target cleave

From the looks of it

[leaden prairie]

Is it useful

Is it burst

[vestal escarp]

gl fighting that as ol with warr

[lilac stag]

hard to tell from what we’ve seen

Arms is giga pump right now

[hazy breach]

I mean i dont think it particularly matters for sub if theres cleave/st/aoe

[lilac stag]

fury in shambles

[solemn creek]

no way balance stays like this

[hazy breach]

All that matters is that theres burst requirements

[lilac stag]

Will the burst be needed is the question, or how badly will it be needed

[vestal escarp]

yeah and all that matters for sin is that bosses start with 60% hp

[sly shore]

if burst lines up with 2 mins or 1.5 mins

is what will matter

👍

like first boss the damage amp is at 2 mins

idk if it's worth playing sub for that

[hazy breach]

Sub does significantly more burst than assa

[sly shore]

yeah it's more about if it's worth holding for 30s

[hazy breach]

Yes for sure

[sly shore]

whereas assa will just send pogchamp

can easily test anyway

I have a mirror rogue

so it's no problem

Just need some crests to upgrade stuff

[leaden prairie]

Idk like, I don't remember a time when the type of cleave that outlaw is good at was relevant

And when you actually need to kill adds you get bursty specs

[sly shore]

there is no fight where sustained cleave ever mattered recently

if adds live that long they have to do basically nothing by extension

[lilac stag]

Outlaw funnel dmg. Duh

[leaden prairie]

We don't

[sly shore]

[hazy breach]

Funnel? Thats some assa shit

get that out of here

[lilac stag]

IM TRYING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF

[leaden prairie]

Outlaw need st fights

With full uptime

Like kyveza

Style stuffs

Where the fact it's 500k sim DPS ahead is actually relevant

But then you don't have outlaw gear cause you are gearing sub and ass for every other boss

[sly shore]

yeah

it's like

why gear for 1/3

when you can for 2/3

you're just lowering odds basically

[leaden prairie]

The haste thing fucked us up even harder regarding that it's funny

[sly shore]

Yeah not adding that to sub or assa in a meaningful way

[leaden prairie]

Before outlaw could just use similar gear than sub at least

[sly shore]

fucked u

when sub was crit vers yeah

now it's vers mastery

[leaden prairie]

I wish we could use daggers main hand

[sly shore]

[leaden prairie]

Would help a lot

[leaden prairie]

Ye but I mean even ignoring that

Getting your 20% haste is so hard

It fucks up all your gearing

If the dev wanted to troll outlaw they wouldn't have found a better way tbh

[vale pine]

there was a haste neck this tier, should give quite a lot of it

[sly shore]

get one of these bad boys

[leaden prairie]

Ye cause rogue are getting this neck Omegalul

Also it has mystery it's terrible

[vestal escarp]

lets give one of the most sought rare items to the outlaw rogue

no loot council alive

[sly shore]

you'd have to be in a for fun guild for that

and even then it's not happening

[lilac stag]

You had a shot if havoc was shit

Or your DH is always dead

[hazy breach]

Just get it from vault? Again purely skill issue on your part smh my head

[vestal escarp]

[leaden prairie]

I don't need that neck lol it's trash

I need kyveza trinket tho

Desperately

Help

Otherwise I can't play sub what will I do

[hazy breach]

Unluck

[crystal bone]

same boat

my shaman got it in a timewalking chest ofc

[leaden prairie]

I mean I have it in hc

I meant mythic

[twilit phoenix]

ez vault with trinket tomorrow?

[leaden prairie]

Imagine not having it in hc noob

[leaden prairie]

Ye for sure

Never seen it drop from boss

[crystal bone]

i dont even have it on heroic

[twilit phoenix]

me neither

I've never seen a mythic contract or transmitter drop

[crystal bone]

i didnt start enjoying sub until like 2-3 weeks ago

[twilit phoenix]

sick game

[leaden prairie]

I hate loot in. This game

Imagine you spend 5 month fighting a boss

[twilit phoenix]

our guild has never seen a mythic spymasters either

[leaden prairie]

At the end of the tier

[twilit phoenix]

people only have it because of vault

[leaden prairie]

You still haven't dropped it's items

[vestal escarp]

it never appeared?

[leaden prairie]

Funny or

[leaden prairie]

I don't think I ever saw it in the chest

Never had it in vault

[vestal escarp]

weirdge

[twilit phoenix]

feels like they should let us bank those vault tokens

and purchase a piece for like 12 or 24

[vestal escarp]

susge

[twilit phoenix]

idk man

[vestal escarp]

then just loot cards zac

and play sin when it's buffed

[twilit phoenix]

i'll end up using signet of the priory because I'll never get cards

for sin at least

[torn storm]

no m transmitter in vault go next

[vestal escarp]

is that thing even usable? dont you go into gigaDR

[twilit phoenix]

i mean, it's an on use highest stat

so if you're mast, it should be the same amountish as cards

[vestal escarp]

mastery or crit for sin, ew

[twilit phoenix]

wouldn't mast be the best one?

your crit is probably omega dr'ed in opener with MA

[vestal escarp]

MA is flat

[hazy breach]

Only stats DR

But then again, its something the sims take into account anyway, so not really much to think about

[mint swift]

We all know speed is the best stat

Gotta go fast

[vestal escarp]

hm maybe because it's still s2 that trink on use wont go too much into dr

[twilit phoenix]

what's the huge advantage of cards over priory anyways? (for sin at least) the fact that you get more mast each time you use it?

[hazy breach]

It gives significantly more stats

Even if you get the lowest possible from house of cards

[twilit phoenix]

damn, I didn't know there was such a huge disparity

Is there a world where they do dungeon trinket tuning in the first few weeks?

Would be kind of lame if all the good shit was only from raid

Literally everyone seems to be pissing and shitting over cards

[hazy breach]

Like at 639 priory gives 6592 stats.
Cards give at worst 7120

So with 3 allies using priory at the same time you get the same amount as cards give you at worst

[twilit phoenix]

stop bro please I get it bro it's making me sad bro

[vestal escarp]

They always wanted trinkets and weapons from raid to be stronger

[crystal bone]

heroic house of cards week 1

[twilit phoenix]

i for sure don't get it if it drops

but surely week 2 vault house of cards

[crystal bone]

oh shit thats right

i forgot other people want it

what class has highest prio on it i wonder

surely sub right

[hazy breach]

If they nerf transmitter sure

[crystal bone]

big tuning patch next week?

[hazy breach]

[crystal bone]

[hazy breach]

Uhdk should be really good with 90s trinkets too

[west arch]

! Fuu

[hazy breach]

But theyre probably in the same boat as we are

[crystal bone]

haven't seen one of those since dragonflight

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vernal junco]

If the Mythic+ one is stronger, that’s even worse.

[lilac stag]

I’ll be a fight who has better mid dmg. uh or sub with current tuning

[uneven scarab]

Hows the tier set looking atm

[swift tinsel]

no fixes

[hazy breach]

Still bugged

[bold laurel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

close 😦

[vestal escarp]

NA vault

[warm marlin]

just buy it week 71 with dinars

[next pulsar]

Guys, how can i track Unseen blade cd, esp. in aoe?

[vernal junco]

you cant

[rough rivet]

have had everything in my vault besides this one. it doesnt even drop in raid 😦

[dreamy oasis]

Is sub looking like the best rogue spec for s2 for m+ ? or are there still too many bugs to tell ?

[lilac stag]

I’ve been clearing first 4 since I’m on warrior for Queen

[dreamy oasis]

I checked pins after the msg. i am part of the problem. My bad

[next pulsar]

so i just randomly press backstab between pressing surikens?(

[glacial hinge]

You can since its a debuff, you can have it in the frames if you want

[next pulsar]

I know how to track debuff, but i wanna know when cd is off to press backstab

[vale pine]

wait for tuning, sub looks like it has good burst

[rocky wolf]

just gotta get the feel for it, its not a crazy big deal

usually if everything is going right and the debuff falls off usually backstab will reapply it in my experience

[clever delta]

man dh look so strong

its actually insane strong and fun at same time

[swift tinsel]

Perks of dev attention

[next pulsar]

So in aoe i just ignore Unseen blade and cast surikens if im not in shadow dance?

[lilac stag]

Don’t worry. Someday realz will remember us. Then a month later maybe have time to work on us.

[vernal junco]

Basically, I won’t use shuriken at all when I have no cooldowns;
I’ll just use backstab since it makes no difference anyway.

[swift tinsel]

Went out for milk mid-10.2 ptr and still waiting for him to come home

[vernal junco]

When I do have cooldowns, I’ll eventually use Backstab or Shadowstrike as builders somehow, so this isn’t an issue at all.

[lilac stag]

Figured out he was lactose intolerant.

[swift tinsel]

Hanging out with his cooler edgier kids

[lilac stag]

Purple was just a phase

[jade urchin]

will sectech first in dance be a thing season2? or was it just cause of season1 tier set

[lilac stag]

it’ll play just like it does now in dance

[swift tinsel]

I meme bc I miss him

[jade urchin]

so still send sectech unless cold blood coming really soon

[lilac stag]

Cold blood second Sectech

[tepid trellis]

nothing to do with tierset, it has to do with CDR and Trickster's unseen blade

[jade urchin]

ohhh i thought it was cause of tierset

the 4set

[tepid trellis]

trickster has a bit dynamic use of sectech

DS always wants to press it first finisher in flag windows to fit two of em

but in regular dances you can do it as 2nd with DS, just watch out for DN procs

[jade urchin]

and with trickster its always first?

[tepid trellis]

nope

its dynamic

changes with certain conditions

[lilac stag]

This gets me excited, then I remember there is another.

[jade urchin]

im sorry lmao

[lilac stag]

rip solo

[jade urchin]

oh didnt know about the 4 stacks

but ye makes sense

tyvm

[tepid trellis]

basically if coup is ready and fazed is up

you send that first

then sectech

wont happen on pull, but can happen mid fight

[jade urchin]

but generally its sectech over eviscerate

[tepid trellis]

yeh, its just coup + fazed that is higher

[jade urchin]

alright tyvm

[leaden prairie]

WTF

SOLO IS BACK??
\

[jade urchin]

id be so rich if id get a dollar for everytime i hear that

[leaden prairie]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[slate lantern]

please change your name to Solo 2

[jade urchin]

better?

[lilac stag]

Temu Solo

j/k

[tulip gorge]

Wait if you have coup you use it before sec tech?

Interesting

I wonder why, won’t you rather get the extra cdr for sec tech?

[tepid trellis]

firing coup into a Fazed target gives you 5 stacks of flawless form

which is 15% more finisher dmg

[tulip gorge]

Oh

Makes sense

[lilac stag]

To the PTR. New class fixes!

if only rogue was a recognized class by blizzard

[clever delta]

bte

btw

cb for second sectech in cds we do even as DS?

with sod too

becasue im hiting second sectech so late in second dance

[thin lion]

So are These few shaman Changes all?!

Or IS there a different Post which i overlooked

[kind bluff]

Only enhance rogue changes

[keen dome]

Midnight'll be our time..

[thin lion]

[lilac stag]

First class removed from the game by blizzard with a monument put up next to Rekful?

[keen dome]

[azure mauve]

what do you guys think they will add in midnight

[keen dome]

They'd never. I've been logged into the game for so long my character has to be load bearing at this point

[azure mauve]

SUPERHERO TALENTS

[lilac stag]

Whatever they add it won’t be implemented for sub until a week before beta ends

[keen dome]

It's gonna be void-tainted hero talents.

[lilac stag]

and 75% of it won’t work

[keen dome]

One or two nodes per tree gets a void variant or something

aka nimble flurry shadow damage

[lilac stag]

so no extra dmg

[vestal escarp]

sub gets nice updates in 13.2

[thin lion]

~laying in bed crying~

[vestal escarp]

can pin this

[jaunty heath]

Whatever they do it won’t work with shadowed finisher or secret tech

Or one of the 6 coup hits

You can bet on that

[lilac stag]

Can’t update what they’ve removed from the game.

[thin lion]

BigBrain

[lilac stag]

that’s why I play sub

[keen dome]

9 hits in Midnight

Just 3 more each expansion

[thin lion]

I got it guys, the theme of the Season is a Casino, so now they Just trying a new Level of rng, its Not enough to put percentages in the Game, the rng has to be class itself
Sometimes working
Sometimes not

[vale crane]

Outlaw Player came prepared

[vestal escarp]

i think bro is onto something

[idle aurora]

How much of a dps loss is ignoring black powder exists 😄

[thin lion]

They are even more BigBrain

Playing 4D chess with Blizzard

[vale crane]

Oh shit

[thin lion]

"non-stop throwing pocket-sand at raid Bosses and crying"

[lilac stag]

Depends on target counts. 2-3% at 5 and goes up from there.

[vale crane]

You just throw dices at the boss like in Baldurs Gate

[thin lion]

But U also pay 12.99$ or smth a month to play an incomplete game
🧠

[vale pine]

games are always incomplete

[vale crane]

We pay 12.99 to complain about the game and that’s the best part about it

[keen dome]

The day I can't pay to complain about something is the day I'm no longer British.

[thin lion]

Kinda based and I respect you.

[vale crane]

Complaining is in my blood as German ngl

[keen dome]

[thin lion]

#metoo

[vale crane]

Noice

[lilac stag]

Just wait. You’ll be the 52 state soon enough.

[keen dome]

Never.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-my-fellow-americans-hello-fellow-americans-gif-15019856

[keen dome]

I'm far, far too small to be an entire state.

[vale crane]

They just got rid of Europe

Why being part of something way worse

[keen dome]

let me back into europe that's where all the good cheese is

[vale crane]

And no more easy traveling in between the countries

[keen dome]

but the good cheese

[vale crane]

And the good German bread

[vale pine]

just don't taste the german beer

and you are fine

[lilac stag]

taste the Austrian beer. Duh

[keen dome]

I will never taste it, thankfully, as I do not drink. But I will drink their fruity sodas with some good bread and cheese.

[lilac stag]

it’s fascinating how big “October fest” is out here. Granted we have a decent amount of immigrants from Germany in the midwest but hell the beer is awful

[thin lion]

I kinda Feeling attacked rn

[lilac stag]

at least it ahas alcohol in it, unlike American beer

[thin lion]

German Beer what is it that U dont Like about it?

[lilac stag]

I’d rather drink cough syrup, I mean Jager on the rocks. Nothing about the beer appeals to my tastebuds

[idle aurora]

Everyone in here is insane German and Czech beer is chefs kiss get out of here with all the super hoppy beer that tastes like Funyuns and pine trees 🙂

German Purity laws on beer makes my soul happy 😊

[dry plank]

i almost rerolled to another class but did not found a proper one, sub cursed

[hallow ice]

!logs

looking for feedback

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:vk3G8cFhq2wQtYW7?fight=33&type=casts&source=11&view=timeline

[clever delta]

r we getting some s2 tunning today or it was yetserday?

[hazy breach]

Nothing yesterday

Maybe nothing today, who knows

[clever delta]

there was day when they usually post some changes idk if it was usually tuesday or monday

[vale crane]

Thought about going back to mage

[steel zinc]

They are done tier bugged whole patch

Full dooming

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/rdj-robert-downey-jr-robertdowneyjr-comiccon-comic-con-gif-7809489789909776017

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-fortnite-dance-doom-guy-doom-guy-dance-gif-27258927

[steel zinc]

This will be me when we get fixed

[vestal escarp]

🔮

if

[solar charm]

!fuu

[sick jackal]

do we still shadowstrike to evade darkest night as a ds in m+?

[tepid trellis]

yep

[sick jackal]

insane

[vestal escarp]

""we""

[hazy breach]

Just dont play DS

[steel zinc]

I guess trickster will be still the play in m+

[hazy breach]

DS has better sustained aoe

[steel zinc]

you bp at 2+ targets as DS?

[hazy breach]

Yes

But idk, think tricksters still better

[vale pine]

you rarely need sustained aoe

stuff dies ^^

[steel zinc]

and at what point is aoe sustained? Like if a pack doesnt like in 30 seconds we have a problem in a key no matter what keylevel (ok apart from chaining)

[vestal escarp]

not if im pooling

[hazy breach]

Ye but DS doesnt really need to hold finishers for tier set

They just keep casting bp/evis

[steel zinc]

we hold also in aoe with the new tier as trickster?

[hazy breach]

Yes

<25s left on flag

for both aoe and st

[steel zinc]

Can you please elaborate

ohhh

[vestal escarp]

i think this difference in profile you're trying to describe is very minimal, or am i wrong?

[steel zinc]

So thats the new cook I guess

<25s we just rupture all the way I guess

[vale pine]

you stop using evis to not lose stacks

so you snd/rupture

[steel zinc]

yeah and bp

[vestal escarp]

if you're at high stacks

[hazy breach]

Not really

[steel zinc]

I think if stacks are like +7 or?

[vale pine]

bp does lose stacks

[hazy breach]

Like on 8 targets trickster peak burst in my sims is ~34M

DS is at ~25m

[steel zinc]

Thats some insane dps but idk what other specs are doing

[vestal escarp]

yes but it's behind on all fronts

[hazy breach]

Its ahead overall (DS that is)

On 8 targets sustained

[vale pine]

the tier set = burst
trickster empowers burst so its better

[hazy breach]

Nah just regardless

[steel zinc]

yeah but if we have like idk 3 stacks or less its w/e I guess

or?

[hazy breach]

It matters less if you have fewer stacks ofc

[sick jackal]

thats sounds like a bad design

[hazy breach]

But you'd still want to have as much stacks as possible

[steel zinc]

Ok so just under 25 sec we just want to get stacks as trickster in aoe and st

DS in st we also do this?

[hazy breach]

No

[steel zinc]

so as DS we just play "normal" and ignore the tier bonus right?

[hazy breach]

From what i can tell from sims yes

[steel zinc]

Ok tyvm ❤️

how far behind is ds vs trickster?

[hazy breach]

Like 3-4%

[steel zinc]

ok thats enough to play trickster

[hazy breach]

But in practice probably more since burst is almost always better than sustained

[steel zinc]

yeah

[hazy breach]

DS is 3-4% behind trickster

Not the other way

[steel zinc]

yeah I got that

We also play transmitter well I guess until end of prog or? (assuming they dont nerf it)

[hazy breach]

639 transmitter sims the same as 678 house of cards

[digital aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-house-of-cards-gif-8846266

[hazy breach]

Do with that what you will

[steel zinc]

yeah I mean gotta kill first one armed bandit to get house of cards. How far behind is HC transmitter? (alt rogue)

like 3%?

[hazy breach]

No lmao

way less

[clever delta]

So trickster is ahead in s2?

[vale pine]

yes

[clever delta]

That's good news to me

[vale pine]

trickster is ahead, and if you have a mythic transmitter you will likely not replace it any time soon

[clever delta]

Always liked it more

What i don't like is fuu saying that I only rupture for 25s before flag

[vestal escarp]

it's chill

[clever delta]

That will be so hilarious in logs

[vestal escarp]

once you have enough stuff to send flag comfortably you even stack up shtec

[sick jackal]

same

[clever delta]

Basically doing white dmg between last sod and next cds

[twilit phoenix]

sub rotation is based because you get to goon between cds

[vestal escarp]

until urgent fixes you have double chance of resetting tier at every evis

just chill and get to 14 sht and keep tier

[clever delta]

So cool

I have feeling blizzard do smg about it as they usually don't like this kind of gameplay

[vestal escarp]

yes but

not for sub

[vale pine]

i mean only with tier set so ^^

[clever delta]

I still remember when they stepped in when spamming ruptures was good as normal rotation

With tier set

So doing nothing for 25 instead doing rotation I assume won't like either

But who knows, season start very soon

[vale pine]

they migth nerf the tier set

[hazy breach]

They probably will

[vale pine]

so i wouldn't be too concerned yet

[hazy breach]

But even if they do and simc shows that holding is not worth it on average

We would probably still hold for certain mechanics coming up

[vestal escarp]

imagine nerfing tierset with not even 2M baseline

[upper narwhal]

If you hold and don't gamble your stacks, your average might be higher. But if you gamble like a degenerate your peaks can be so much better

keep gambling

[sly shore]

new ptr build

[twilit phoenix]

huh? for 11.1?

[swift tinsel]

ptr isn't over yea

[twilit phoenix]

damn 2 weeks out and a new build?

[swift tinsel]

still tuning and whatnot

[twilit phoenix]

she ate my ass and whatnot

wasn't the last build a release candidate?

[swift tinsel]

that pretty much just means no major changes

[alpine wraith]

PTR BUILD DOWNLOADING

[twilit phoenix]

ah I see

[alpine wraith]

this time for sure

[swift tinsel]

WE'RE SO BACK

[kind bluff]

Tier is fixed. Manifest that shit.

[twilit phoenix]

i don't see any updates listed on wowhead

hopefully there are some banger rogue buffs

[swift tinsel]

they've also listed zero of our bugfixes

[upper narwhal]

who swapped Sub and Outlaw channel positions

[vestal escarp]

[twilit phoenix]

yeah wtf

[broken shadow]

wait they did

[swift tinsel]

wowhead be slackin

[broken shadow]

how could they

[upper narwhal]

unsubscribing

[broken shadow]

oh its back now i think

[hazy breach]

Ye it was probably an accident

[broken shadow]

[upper narwhal]

unforgivable, permaban immediately

[kind bluff]

They deleted rogue as a playable class

[vale pine]

lol

[twilit phoenix]

Rogue players will be given a choice to turn their toon into a DH or WW

[vestal escarp]

alas....

[kind bluff]

Wait they promised I could be a feral kitty

[lilac stag]

Wait for the 300% buff to BP

[steel zinc]

oh servers are up

Was that really a new ptr build?

[thin lion]

[steel zinc]

Ok so quick sectech test

[swift tinsel]

its bugged still

[steel zinc]

still does not hit harder with tier stacks up

yup

[swift tinsel]

10 stacks, sod/dance + cb

no dn fix either

[thin lion]

[lilac stag]

Youre just setting yourself for anger expecting it to get fixed

[steel zinc]

Yeah but this is so bs. Like lets have 2 months of ptr but never fix the freaking tier set

[lilac stag]

This is every tier in here.

[clever delta]

Gotta fix real classes first

[steel zinc]

I mean they could fix it but just removing the tooltip of the tier saying it interacts with sectech

[steel zinc]

Wasnt this bad for S1

[alpine wraith]

wait up

[lilac stag]

RS was broken the entire fucking tier

Blades as well

[clever delta]

They will focus on rogue during lunch break 1day before season release

[lilac stag]

[steel zinc]

Thats has been broken since S3 DF

[vestal escarp]

cant blame them really

imagine eating spaghetti all days all year

[kind bluff]

What exactly is the tier bug? That it doesn't effect sectech at all?

[swift tinsel]

4pc shadow amp

doesn't always amp

[vestal escarp]

there are a couple

shadow finishers contribute to resetting WS

[hazy breach]

I think that was fixed

Coup still counts multiple times though

But yes 4p doesnt amp sectech all the time

[vestal escarp]

i played ptr yesterday and finishing otuside dance was misery

[lunar bluff]

O O THE MISERY

[swift tinsel]

Did a test earlier this morning and evisc reset 24 times on 200 hits so its possible its fixed

[vestal escarp]

i got unforch

all 200 were outside dance?

[swift tinsel]

yes, otherwise it would not reset

200 is both the phys and shadow hits

so 100 casts

[vestal escarp]

thats lower than tooltip tho

bro got lucky

[swift tinsel]

trusting tooltips smh

[vestal escarp]

pushing edge cases statistics smh

[swift tinsel]

just relaying information

[covert storm]

nice varial

[vestal escarp]

[chrome palm]

man this tier is awesome

you start a coup in dance, the animation extends past dance, and you lose the buff

incredible

[alpine wraith]

24 out of 100 casts is still a bit sus

idk tier seems cooked

[swift tinsel]

yeah its 3% off both the right and wrong percents

[alpine wraith]

i mean i also did like 2 or 3 hours of sec techs and none came off split the other day

but it seems you can still get the bugged ones

[swift tinsel]

yeah I had one this morning

but its still either 2mil or like 3.8mil

[alpine wraith]

the split ones are just too rare

yea i meant doing one of 3.5 mil and 2 mil

[swift tinsel]

yeah I think I get like 1 every 20 or so casts

[steel zinc]

You need a way bigger dataset

Like add 10000 casts

[swift tinsel]

if you wanna test that be our guest

lol

we did it

[alpine wraith]

yea everything borked still

[random comet]

looks a bit sus

[swift tinsel]

that and DN bug are what I usually check as soon as they drop a new build

[broken shadow]

what's DN

[steel zinc]

As said early we are doomed

It's over

Broken tierset

We need more BP buffs

[broken shadow]

i think think they should just buff mind goblin

[swift tinsel]

can't consume marks while DN is up

Darkest Night

DS capstone

[broken shadow]

oh i thought it was a deez nuts joke

unlucky

[swift tinsel]

the whole tree is

[vestal escarp]

[vale pine]

tier is 2 weeks off

^^

so they still have time

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

yea trust

[twilit phoenix]

Wait is that DN bug for real on that new ptr build?

[hazy breach]

Its not new

Its been that way since first mythic week of nerubar palace

[twilit phoenix]

Extremely based

Trickster chads stay winning I guess

[alpine wraith]

best one is they fixed it

then they borked it again

to help assa

[vale pine]

its a bit of a irony

because they continued to remove the part which was relevant for the fix on assa

neverless, lets hope for some fixes

[alpine wraith]

just hands up

dance dance

[steel zinc]

If you are already writing coupium emotes we are screwed

[alpine wraith]

you can still use these to cope

[lilac stag]

Blizzard should hire the marvel rivals dev team and just then all in class development

[broken shadow]

no i think blizzard is doing a great job and they should continue to all-in on cosmetic-only player housing so we can play dressup in our houses

why do you need gameplay when you can farm out that new sofa

[swift tinsel]

now they're all let go they're ripe for the pluckin

[sly shore]

More hot fixes pushed

[alpine wraith]

will check after sleep lets pray dudes just @ me if they fixed anything

[brisk onyx]

[swift tinsel]

nada

[brisk onyx]

I just got up and keeping an eye on them for you, Mr.Hachadino

[lilac stag]

[haughty mural]

[flint oar]

That is a thing that can happen. time-to-die sometimes gets calculated weird on dummies because they dont die

[umbral relic]

for zekvir ??, do you let that beautifull lady cast her dot or her heal?

[stiff spear]

take the dot, brann can cleanse it and you can cloak and vanish it

kick the heal or you'll be there forever ^^

[umbral relic]

it's hard on sub

but fun

[shrewd monolith]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[deft oar]

is there any way to fix akaaris soul attributions after the fact?

[tepid trellis]

no

[tranquil garden]

pardon the newbie question. how long is it okay to sit on a secret technique to wait for a symbols of death to be up, or to wait for the next flagellation?

[swift tinsel]

typically ~20 seconds left on flag's cd is when you stop sending secret technique

[tranquil garden]

Alright, so definitely plenty of time to wait then, and be sure to always send it during a symbols?

(so wait for a symbols, rather than send a naked one)

[hazy breach]

Sectech should always be supercharged yes

And the vast majority of them should be in dance

[tranquil garden]

Thanks. This is new to me. I'm coming from Monk, where the rule is get rid of your CDs as soon as humanly possible.

[hazy breach]

Almost all classes work like that

But ye dont send anything when flag is about to be ready. You need to be able to cast 2 symbols, 2 dances and 2 sectechs every flag+blades window

[acoustic lodge]

!shiv

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[tranquil garden]

Wait, what's the downside for macroing blood and technique? I wasn't aware there was a time you would want to use blood on anything else

[hazy breach]

You still always use it on sectech

Its just that if you macro it, you often end up using it outside blades and then it wont br ready for when youre in big cds

[tranquil garden]

ah, I see

[hazy breach]

Its better to exclusively use it in blades&flag

[tranquil garden]

same q as before then -- how long to hold it for? I guess 30 seconds, since that aligns it with blades and flagellation

damn, it's crazy for me to think of holding a cd for that long, but I guess that's the new paradigm I gotta get used to

[hazy breach]

Use it on your second sectech in blades

On ptr almost 75% of all of your damage is done during blades

Sub does almost nothing outside cds

[minor aurora]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[minor aurora]

fak, I guess I am having to figure out some more keybinds for cold blood and anything extra

[hybrid prism]

the fuck were taking thistle tea?????????

[minor aurora]

no clue what that even is tbh, I just managed to unlock flagellation and cold blood today

[twilit phoenix]

nah we take thistle piss

[swift tinsel]

tea isn't good, people just think it is bc it gives energy at a time when it doesn't really matter

[hybrid prism]

i dont think ill ever take that shite talent unless its like huge gain

[swift tinsel]

its not

so you're clear

[minor aurora]

So for sub really, there aren’t any macros

[swift tinsel]

not really

[minor aurora]

alright, that’s more buttons to press for my high-APM brain to benefit from

[swift tinsel]

because of the way our spells and cooldowns work it doesn't really help

[minor aurora]

I can see that, yeah.

I’m only just now getting to the part where I have most of the spells and cooldowns to learn and use in order

dinged 52 before getting off for maintenance

[swift tinsel]

ah, be strong. rogue leveling is not that much fun lol

[minor aurora]

Honestly I’ve been having a blast 😭

Maybe because it’s my first time EVER, and I’ve racked in 16hrs in barely 4 days (6 hours today)

but, I’ve been loving rogue tbh

[swift tinsel]

noice, more power to you!

[minor aurora]

I feel like getting more comfortable with my keybinds alone has made me enjoy the game so much more

[swift tinsel]

definitely a plus for sure

[minor aurora]

I’m focusing less on what to press and just paying attention to everything else

I’ve just been questing in legion and using the artifact weapons cause I was told it’s a decent idea

[swift tinsel]

legion is a pretty dope xpac to level through

[minor aurora]

honestly, it’s been pretty fun

[swift tinsel]

its a lot of peoples' favorite expansion

I took a break for most of it lol

[minor aurora]

fair enough

Kinda sucks I won’t be able to experience the dungeons / raids

because everyone is on TWW or maybe farming Dragonflight for cosmetics/mounts

[swift tinsel]

there's a Remix version of it on the horizon

so you'll get to experience the abridged version

[minor aurora]

huh, alright. Sounds good

[swift tinsel]

the raids are pretty awesome

[minor aurora]

I’ve got until the 15th of march to complete as much content as possible 😭

maybe I’ll get a full sized 40 man raid, maybe

[twilit phoenix]

can't wait for legion remix

unironically

panda remix went pretty hard

[lucid jackal]

Shalom brothers who is excited for a Sub rogue tier

[brisk onyx]

Cool

[sour stump]

I can't tell if sub rogue is good or not

[half comet]

wheres the mog from

chest shoulders*

[lucid jackal]

U mean the tabard?

The racing Jesery is the scarf

The acutal chest is the tabard

Tabard and shoulders are from rep vendors

[kind bluff]

Any hot fixes in today update?

[fickle mason]

anyone have an importable ptr build or is it the same?

[swift tinsel]

its the same

Replicating Shadows is fixed so if you talented out of it bc of the bug its safe to take now

[lilac stag]

See sub really is the pvp spec. No changes no testing.

[molten citrus]

week 1 is going to be wiiild

[celest iron]

are there ptr sims

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel zinc]

Light version

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[lilac stag]

Sub sim assume tier works.

[thin dove]

hi guys i was wondering how many ruptures do we spread in a bigger pull for example in NW first pull only on prio target since we dont get any benefit like assa gets? thx

[lilac stag]

spread while tank pulls as long as they live 12 seconds. Just full send cds if everything is grouped.

[random comet]

i don't think there's a set number, it's a useful thing to do while tank is gathering so you get some damage rolling without big threat

[jaunty heath]

Yeah, like I send 1x rupture on the smallies, one on the big dude in the 3 pack and one on the gatekeeper