subtlety

[void hound]

note and the reminder feature they ripped off the liquid weakaura

[molten citrus]

saw that more people are using it for timeline reminders now

[alpine wraith]

yea kazemrt

[vale pine]

performance for addons only matters if you have fps issues

thats why we rarely care about it

and also why addon authors rather add more features than think about performance

[alpine wraith]

it is cool to kinda check those things sometimes like efficiency

[molten citrus]

ah so that is new. didn't remember it being there.

[alpine wraith]

it is a wa that calls the note

and does things

like some fights are so unchanging you get a literal telepromter

in your screen

[hazy breach]

Ye its a WA that pulls from the note, and theres some form of CD sheet for healers you can use in excel thats easy to export into the notes

[alpine wraith]

think those are what blizz does not like

[molten citrus]

i have to overhaul my entire UI if i'm going to pve this season 💀

[hazy breach]

Thats some healer type shit though, im not sure how it works exactly

[fringe palm]

and then they become elvui

[alpine wraith]

you can do the same for dps cds

[molten citrus]

i deleted my entire pve set up ages ago

[alpine wraith]

for thigns like adds or who goes where

[molten citrus]

i saw some people using it for certain mechanic assignments and random stuff

may have been back during the race

[hazy breach]

But ye the timeline addon is really cracked for reminders

It shows all the spells the boss is doing, and you press at a certain time and add a reminder that will show up at that time, you can include text to speech too

[molten citrus]

from mRT?

[alpine wraith]

kazemrt

it is a wa

[hazy breach]

Idk somebody said they included it in mrt, but there is another addon that does it too. The one liquid used

[tepid trellis]

liquid reminders

[hazy breach]

They renamed it i think

[tepid trellis]

i use it

[hazy breach]

TimelineReminders

It seems like it called now

[tepid trellis]

mrt copied right after it was made public by naemesis

[hazy breach]

Ah

Ye idk it was nice on kyveza

Since i wanted evasion for as much of the intermission as possible but also for the last lines

So i had TTS say evasion when it had 10s left

So i could focus on dodging and not need to pay attention to the cast

[tepid trellis]

yeh i did the same

[hazy breach]

Obv there are other ways of doing this

But its very simple to setup and edit

[alpine wraith]

yea i just had a personal note

with timers

[vale pine]

oh interessting, sounds handy

[hazy breach]

I think of it kinda like raidbots. Yes you could sim before raidbots was a thing, but the ease and simplicity of it allows you to do it way more often and reduce how long it takes

I can easily just add those reminders inbetween wipes

[alpine wraith]

yea it is big

[hazy breach]

Whereas before you would need to put in more effort, more of a in break type thing

[alpine wraith]

might use it now

maybe even kinda make a guide

[molten citrus]

so it's a WA that makes WAs for you

[vale pine]

i disslike raid weakauras

[molten citrus]

[vale pine]

"run out"

"jump in 3- 2 - 1"

[tepid trellis]

an addon that makes text reminders

[vale pine]

addons take away too much thinking, you basically just play simon says in modern wow

[molten citrus]

oh so you don't need the WA version?

or am i just getting mixed up altogether

[tepid trellis]

for the liquid one no

[alpine wraith]

they are separate things

kazemrt is one thing for mrt liquidreminders is another

then now there is a standalone one

[molten citrus]

but it's an aura import on wago no?

[alpine wraith]

called just timelinereminders

[molten citrus]

ah

[grand wyvern]

the problem with wa e customizable interface is it widens the gap between tryhards and lazy people cause they are basically playing different games, they should get rid of most of it

[alpine wraith]

well it kinda is like F1 they had to ban lots of things because of how the diff between manufacturers have

but idk

[vale pine]

https://www.method.gg/method-raid-tools-reminders

[alpine wraith]

wow has already become a beast of science

[vale pine]

thats the mrt version of it

[alpine wraith]

even if you try to keep cucking addons

liming API etc

you will still get people doing things

it is too late

[molten citrus]

ah maybe just none of them are on curseforge, all i could find was the liquid one on wago

[grand wyvern]

brood was going to have private auras and tryhards revolted against it

[alpine wraith]

it has privateauras

[tepid trellis]

like its sooooo easy, you get a timeline you just press it on where you want it, and you can see boss abilties on those timelines as well

[grand wyvern]

for the egg breaks

[alpine wraith]

but not enough

[tepid trellis]

type out what you want it to say, can also show icons

and TTS

if needed

[molten citrus]

yeah it sounds great - i just want to make sure i grab the right thing

https://wago.io/LiquidNerubarPalace

this ye?

[hazy breach]

No

[fringe palm]

private auras dont do what you think they should do in most cases, its good that theyre not as common

[hazy breach]

I think this is their entire pack for nerubar palace, not just the timeline

[mint swift]

What did you say about my private auria?

Sorry

Shitest joke of the decade

[molten citrus]

welp

[tepid trellis]

you should just get the MRT one

[molten citrus]

yep

[tepid trellis]

which i think comes with MRT

so

you probs already have it if you have updated it

[alpine wraith]

yea it is the one eleem posted

[grand wyvern]

wasn't one of the original pillars of wow addons that you can't sell them? look at them now lmao

[hazy breach]

Ye get Method Raid Tools

[alpine wraith]

rules are only rules if they are enforced

[tepid trellis]

too many loopholes

[alpine wraith]

also yes loopholes

[tepid trellis]

he isnt actually selling an addon

just the import code for it to work

[alpine wraith]

yea nothing stops you from just getting it from someone else

now if it had DRM

or payd auth

[fringe palm]

its like selling uis for subs etc

[grand wyvern]

potato potato

[alpine wraith]

that is anothedr thing

[tepid trellis]

thats the thing right, in terms of the law

it isnt xD

[alpine wraith]

yep law is rigid

it does what it does

and outisde of that

it does not do anything

unless

some new rulings come into effect blizz has already changed the terms several times

like for multi accounts and boosting

[grand wyvern]

it's not a law, its a tos, they can do whatever they want with them if they want to, they clearly don't

[alpine wraith]

when there is money involved usually law comes into play

[tepid trellis]

a tos is basically just the law for the use of the game

[vale pine]

thats the beauty of weakauras

[tepid trellis]

and it isnt against ToS to do what he is doing

[molten citrus]

all they can really do is send a cease and desist right

[vale pine]

you essentially can sell addons in weakaura form

because you technically don't sell addons

[molten citrus]

if it isn't actually explicitly written in their ToS they wouldn't win anything

[alpine wraith]

it is just not worth for blizz to go after

they have bigger problems

[grand wyvern]

they can ban you in their game, nobody could stop them

[midnight geyser]

Is sub much different than sub during abberrus

[molten citrus]

how exactly can they prove the author and the blizzard account are the same people

[alpine wraith]

yea sub changed a lot

since s2 df

but for the better

[grand wyvern]

they don't need proof, it's their game

[molten citrus]

eh, i'd beg to differ

[keen dome]

They could just arbitarily ban people but that would be bad for business. So why would they? Pointlessly banning people wouldn't work out well.

[molten citrus]

people also just make new accounts

[hazy breach]

@tepid trellis Looking at the mrt timeline stuff, do you need to export it to note for it to work?

[keen dome]

Ye

[tepid trellis]

no idea about mrt

but for the liquid one it just works

[molten citrus]

banning them won't solve anything about them selling access to their stuff

[tepid trellis]

they can just update ToS for the game and hand out notices for it

[grand wyvern]

I am not saying they should randomnly ban people, I am saying their hands aren't tied at all, it is a conscious choice

[molten citrus]

ye easily

[fringe palm]

the mrt one is literally the liquid one, atleast at the start some of the code even said liquid

[molten citrus]

if they cared

[tepid trellis]

but as it stands now, they arent going against ToS

[hazy breach]

Ye ik the liquid one just works, but i dont think i have access to the updater for it anymore

[alpine wraith]

yea it is the same thing as excel add ins

funny how that whole business began

after ms refused buying some rights

to SAP integrations

now you have a plethora

[tepid trellis]

dosent it have a test button?

liek the liquid one does?

[hazy breach]

It does

[alpine wraith]

time to change all TTS reminders to izaro quotes

[hazy breach]

But it doesnt work when im fairly sure it should. And it has a big "Export to note" button

[grand wyvern]

Wisdom is the offspring of suffering and time

[alpine wraith]

AN EMPEROR STRIKES WITHOUT HESITATION USE FLAG DOG

man i think i will have some fun next tier with those

time to train AI izaro TTS locally

with depseek

[fringe palm]

is there a media collection with those sounds in them

[alpine wraith]

just the poe wiki i think

same as someone maid a lootfilter with maven moans

[fringe palm]

i want a divine sound everytime my evis steals my new 2pc stacks

[alpine wraith]

cultured people

[tepid trellis]

can open the game and check in a bit

[alpine wraith]

you could do an aura with that

make it do the unique drop sound

[hazy breach]

I mean its not that urgent, i was just looking into it and was wondering, ill check if it works tonight in raid

[keen dome]

Can you detect a cause of death via a WA? I.e., fall damage...

'Cos wilhelm scream WA idea.....

Although attaching that to the Coup charge would be funnier

[hazy breach]

Nvm buddy im just dumb. It works just fine

Turns out when you dont have this box checked it doesnt work

Who couldve possibly known

[vale pine]

why you bring these unholy words to my sub chat

[alpine wraith]

time to make excel integrations also inside wow

export char data calc abilities dmg inside a window with simc and tell you if you can pass some mechanics

[vale pine]

tbh we already have it kinda

warcraftlogs

[molten citrus]

[void hound]

a put a reminder for a quick prayer to not the second charges in p2

[molten citrus]

i haven't raided once this tier

not really planning on it either

[vale pine]

no transmitter

[molten citrus]

i'm probably just going to try some basic m+/heroic this season to see if i actually want to get back into mythic

[mint swift]

Beacon from the beyond was cool

But like

Bacon from the beyond

[keen dome]

Heroic is a lot of fun this season, imo. Everything (except Queen) feels really chill in pugs.

[vale pine]

try to get transmitter if you can

it will probably stay rly good

even in the next patch

[molten citrus]

where is the new 1.5m from

[strange sail]

pls no

[grand wyvern]

3rd to last boss raid

[molten citrus]

the 1.5m in s2 is also from 3rd to last?

[grand wyvern]

yes one arm bandit i think

[molten citrus]

word

[mint swift]

Bro your just

Pugs are such a mixed bag

They can genuinely make something super easy a pain

[vale pine]

a mythic version might be on par with the best s2 trinkets currently

so the trinket is rly good for how subtlety lays out its damage

[hazy breach]

Likely better to let other people have the new trinket, even if transmitter gets nerfed

[keen dome]

Yeah. Absolutely. I just did a HKyveza today and it was a nightmare of chaos pug where nobody knew what to do somehow. Normally I run my own but gotten lazy. A good raid lead is all you need to make a good pug.

[molten citrus]

yeah i'm def not trying to step into a mythic raid rn

i'm probably quite rusty at pve

no guild

etc

[mint swift]

I remember an ovinax run

RL pinging every egg

And giving constant instructions

People still fucked up

[keen dome]

Ovi'nax will kill 90% of pugs if the RL isn't patient and concise in explaining stuff, imo.

[uneven scarab]

Take color to matching color guys its not that hard

[keen dome]

You can go "Do not break an egg that isn't marked. Do not cross to another slice." and then a paladin will horsey over to the other side of the room and break an egg

[uneven scarab]

I love when pugs completely ignore the slice youre in

[keen dome]

Same

[uneven scarab]

And decide its time to transition to another one

[lilac stag]

Fancy you over there thinking the pug had raid addons installed and active.

[keen dome]

I explained to someone how to do it, and they confirmed they understood. Then on the very first egg break (the easiest, since it's the 3 in a triangle by the slug) they ran to the other side of the room and broke a worm egg.

I typically just put two markers down on each slice, 3, 4 then the final 4 unmarked and explain it but this is too complex for some pugs

[lilac stag]

I think queen maybe worst pug end boss in some time for heroic

[keen dome]

100%

Typically you just rotate through people every single wipe and there's no improvement. It's so frustrating.

And it's always just people dying to acid waves, placing the goop wrong, or popping it wrong.

I love pugging. But Ansurek sucked.

(For pugging, to be clear. I actually really like her as a boss)

[vale pine]

silken court in pugs is fun too

[keen dome]

Haha, yeah

[vale pine]

🙈

[keen dome]

Will the healers dispell?? Will the debuff get to the middle? Who knows! Let's roll the dice.

[vale pine]

damn blizzard

enabling gambling like this

[uneven scarab]

Yeah queen i wouldnt even ever bother pugging lol

[keen dome]

I typically pug with a Priest buddy who is utterly insane in how good a raider they are and they carry some fights so hard. They'll yank people to the right egg on ovinax. Solo Court, etc. It's a godsend.

[uneven scarab]

only with a grp

[keen dome]

I think I had 150+ pulls week 1 into week 2 on HAnsurek in pugging. Then I just did a kill in week 2 with a buddies guild and called it a day.

My favourite group I joined was this incredibly angry guy who'd been trying to kill her for something like 30 hours straight. Screaming at people, just complete chaos.

[uneven scarab]

jesus

Thats just

Too much LOL

[lilac stag]

atoc pug players are built diffy

[keen dome]

I did one pull and fucking dipped. It was a mandatory voice one

So this thick accented guy just screaming at people while sounding utterly exhausted

Just log off my guy, it's not worth it!

[lilac stag]

MOM! I NEED MY CHICKEN TENDIES AND CAPRI-SUN

[keen dome]

I did Sarkareth Week 2, Fyrakk week 1, and then Ansurek week 2. Razageth I did like 5 months into the season 'cos I gave up trying to pug her lmao.

Absolute ton of fun doing it in pugs, but it's also very funny.

[umbral relic]

what professions you find being the most usefull for rogue?

i'm thinking about alchemy / leather, blacksmith or engineer

[hazy breach]

No profession provide anything but gold savings or ways to make gold nowadays

[keen dome]

Engineering because of the mailbox / vendor / teleports. None of it really matters, though.

[umbral relic]

yeah i chose alchemy for 2 hours flask and multicraft

[grand wyvern]

gatherer is good if you don't mind gathering while you apply M+

[umbral relic]

meh, i hate making money

[fringe palm]

if you want it all passiv, go alch and enchanting and spec disenchanting

[umbral relic]

this seems sexy

[vale pine]

engineering can be quite good

the head is rly solid crafted gear

[hazy breach]

Technically we want to use offset gloves this tier though right

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, from what I've been simming

its very minor between gloves and helm

not engi helm, a diff one

they've been within .5% of each other

and the gloves swap every few sims between Enforcer's Sticky Fingers and Tempestwind Handlers

[grand wyvern]

a probably dumb question: in order to sim ptr stuff do you use mimiron raidbots or you work with your own simcraft build?

[swift tinsel]

mimiron

#tc-research message

[tepid trellis]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Beware though, PTR sims are often janky and not optimal

[swift tinsel]

On the plus side, we're pretty well itemized next season

and have solid options for off-pieces and accessories/daggers

Looks like neck and boots are the only slots that don't have vers/mastery gear

got a heavy vers/mastery and heavy mastery/vers dagger, plus combos of vers/mastery and crit in most slots so we aren't piling on too much of either

[uneven scarab]

As long as theres a neck with big mastery or vers weighting itll be chill

[swift tinsel]

the other two are heavy-haste

[uneven scarab]

Thats not bad

not great either but atleast its not haste

[swift tinsel]

yeah, I mean with the setups I've been looking at with full myth we're sitting at 18.5k mastery from gear

so we're not exactly hurting

[uneven scarab]

yuge

yeah didnt think so

[swift tinsel]

and that's without gems/enchants

[hoary coyote]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[hazy breach]

Should probably edit that part about CB huh

[uneven scarab]

Yeah probably

[swift tinsel]

could always add the "use as 2nd if you're going to macro it" bit

[uneven scarab]

i mean its not the biggest deal right? 0.5%

or somethin

[swift tinsel]

if trinkets are missing from the Top Gear string in tc, can they be added manually or does that mean they haven't been implemented yet

haven't really messed with that before

suspicious energy drink

[hazy breach]

!update

[wicked jolt]

Updated.

[hazy breach]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[hazy breach]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[swift tinsel]

beautiful

[hazy breach]

!update

[wicked jolt]

Updated.

[hazy breach]

Technically the dark iron dwarf and troll racials could be in there as well but cba

Hopefully the point gets across if the reader is any of those races

[vestal escarp]

Rip cb macro

[swift tinsel]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYjlvZXVob3JpbHQ0aGQzZjdlOTljajBrdWUyYzZudzZ2bmg0ZG5tMCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9cw/iF4sz457jUUPSNpn2y/giphy.gif

[keen dome]

lmao, rules

[shadow lance]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[hazy breach]

!cds

[wicked jolt]

Cooldown Use:
Every 90 seconds you want to cast Flagellation and subsequently Shadow Blades. When these two are up you always want cast 2 Secret Techniques, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Symbols of Death.
To ensure you have enough cooldown reduction on your Shadow Dance to attain that you need atleast 1 charge and roughly 40 seconds left on your second charge before casting Flagellation.

[swift tinsel]

Ooo that's a good one to have

[hazy breach]

More helpful than stealthis dust sheet for amirdrassil for sure

[swift tinsel]

I wonder if I still have that somewhere lol

[keen dome]

Oh, that's really nice and concise

[swift tinsel]

I have a bookmark of diff rogue resources in chrome with the diff sheets, WAs, etc

[shadow lance]

Do we only press symbols when ST and dance are up?

[hazy breach]

For the most part yes

[shadow lance]

And one symbols without dance after cd?

[keen dome]

Could I make a small suggestion? "2 Secret Techniques, 2 Shadow Dances and 2 Symbols of Death" might work better the other way around. This way it could read that you want to do Sectec -> Dance -> Symbols. Probably not a common way to read it, though.

[vestal escarp]

there's a buried thread somewhere with TC stuff by eleem with more in depth dance cadence tips

[hazy breach]

Sometimes you can do a "naked" symbols without dance, but thats generally for when you know the boss is dying soon and you wont have enough up

[hazy breach]

I deleted it because it was outdated and not as helpful as it seemed

[hazy breach]

Fair enough people could read it as that

Ill change it

[keen dome]

🫡

[vestal escarp]

it was updated for 0.5 stuff wth changed

[lilac stag]

i dont think most are going to want to deal cb seperate but who knows

[grand wyvern]

i mean don't you still have the macro cb+st and naked st on another button?

[hazy breach]

The "anchor everything around sectech" thing doesnt really work as well for deathstalker

And it put too much emphasis on the empty sectechs, which doesnt really matter much, even for trickster

[hazy breach]

I mean you could ye

[swift tinsel]

plus with next tier set you'll look way more at dance than sectech

[hazy breach]

But thats the same as having Dance+Symbols and having them om seperate binds too

[shadow lance]

So between cd's we usually got only 1 dance/symbol windows?

[lilac stag]

sub: no achors here only sails

whoops didnt mean to reply

[hazy breach]

First one is typically two (ie 30-1:30)

[keen dome]

For uptime on set, ye?

[hazy breach]

1:30-3:00 is almost always one
3:30:4:30 is often 2, if it aint the next one will be

[swift tinsel]

Yar

[hazy breach]

And then it kinda resets, just depends a bit on procs and uptime

[swift tinsel]

bc you can't really afford to send a sod+sectech w/o dance like you can as trickster atm

[shadow lance]

hmmm, I don't get how, I must be terribly bad

[swift tinsel]

unless you're sitting at 3x sod then be a boss and supercharge rupture

[hazy breach]

Well if youre practicing on dummies

Its gonna be different

To playing in raid with skyfury

[swift tinsel]

gotta have a shaman friend you can sit in party with

or a 2nd account you used for recruit-a-friend rewards...

[hazy breach]

Playing without a shaman is misery

[grand wyvern]

or queue lfr, so you have your dummy with all raid buffs

[swift tinsel]

it truly is, I was playing a tiny bit of DS the other day on org dummy and it was disparaging

[shadow lance]

I'm practicing on dummy, and I barely can fit 2 dance between cd's without fucking up the cd's window

[sick jackal]

how do i wanna play ovinax trinket as sub?

stationary while bursting?

[hazy breach]

Skyfury is like 12% more combo points regen

[hazy breach]

Just below 20 on either

[swift tinsel]

its probably the most feel-able buff besides lust

[sick jackal]

is it better than crystal or contract?

[hazy breach]

Should be about the same

[sick jackal]

cant sim atm literally in a raid xd

[swift tinsel]

across any spec I've played

[sick jackal]

ty

[swift tinsel]

alt-tab raidbots homie

[shadow lance]

12% WTF?

[hazy breach]

About half our CP is from shadow techniques

And skyfury is 20% more of that

[shadow lance]

Damn'

[steel zinc]

Your missing shaman buff and also sub is the spec where theory doesn't mean you can execute it good. Learning to dance and do damage is something as sub that comes from experience and based on fight and prio list

[hazy breach]

But ye priority one is to perfect the burst window

[grand wyvern]

you gotta start somewhere, and it is usually a dummy

[hazy breach]

Trying to squeeze extra dances inbetween is not worth if you lose one during the burst

[steel zinc]

Yeah ofc.

[hazy breach]

Note that its not 12% more damage, its 12% more cp. Its roughly 8% more damage, but thats including the mastery buff

[shadow lance]

Yes ofc, but I was trying figuring out how to fit a second dance

But I see now, if skyfury give that much cd reduction

[hazy breach]

Trickster also gives a bit more cdr

If youre trying as deathstalker

[shadow lance]

Yes, was trying in ST

wit hDS

[steel zinc]

Just play some 10 keys as sub. Like sub in weekly keys is fine since you have pretty fast burst and things die fast enough that sustained dmg issue won't show up.

[shadow lance]

I'll propose to my guildmates, yes

Or some Pug HC raid

[steel zinc]

Yeah sth like that. I would recommend learning the spec by just learning the dance sequence and then adding flag and blades later on top of that.

[clever delta]

do this channel get some cool pin like assa have ?:P

[steel zinc]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[hazy breach]

Sims not working

So no pins yet

[clever delta]

😦

i think i will do my last two raids as sub

just for good vibes

[lilac stag]

Whispyr likes to write novels.

[tepid trellis]

[lilac stag]

We just run with what’s important.

[hazy breach]

I mean at this current time. Obviously the sheet was helpful during amirdrassil

But the interest in dust sub timers in amirdrassil has declined in 2025 i must say

[lilac stag]

!dust

[clever delta]

where the 90s trinket drop

[swift tinsel]

One Armed Bandit

in raid

or do you mean transmitter

[clever delta]

oh

yeah i mean the house of cards

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah its from the 5th boss I think

5th or 6th

[steel zinc]

Same spot like Ky'veza

[clever delta]

damn thats another kvyzea anagle

angle

[swift tinsel]

yeah,

[clever delta]

so our trinkets are kinda last and 5th boss very cool

[lilac stag]

Get heroic. Buy mythic.

[heady sierra]

Did CB use change? Or is it just a best practice to help eliminate un-syncing CD's?

[hazy breach]

Dw if they dont nerf transmitter you wont need house of cards

[clever delta]

anything good in m+?

hahha

[swift tinsel]

Lol even a 626 will last until a 665 house, depending on your 2nd trinket

[steel zinc]

The bee trinket from cinderbrew

[hazy breach]

Nothing changed in 11.1 no, but in .5 it changed to being more worth to use it on your second sectech in burst

[clever delta]

not the fucking honey buzzer

[hazy breach]

Its should be more pronounced with new tier too

[steel zinc]

That thing yes

[heady sierra]

ahh I see! Thanks 🙂

[swift tinsel]

azerokk is the only decent m+ trinket, other viable one (drink) is from delves

[hazy breach]

Nah its stinky

[sly shore]

so moving cb to 2nd sectech is just always the gain now, right?

[hazy breach]

They fixed it so it cleaves like it should

[hazy breach]

It was already always a gain

[steel zinc]

Ah dam ok didn't know that

[swift tinsel]

all of the damage ones split now iirc so they get stinkier

[clever delta]

which one ?

[hazy breach]

Like even if you never use it inbetween your flag window its a gain over macroing

[sly shore]

Yeah it's just like hard recommended now

[swift tinsel]

Suspicious Energy Drink

static agi + mastery proc

[sly shore]

so technically you could use 2nd every time with two dances in between

[hazy breach]

Ye since new tier buffs sectech a lot i expect the difference to be more pronounced, so no reason to promote it anymore

[swift tinsel]

most if not all of the other damage trinkets are ~2-2.5% contribution in suboptimal gear in ST

[hazy breach]

Idk what you mean by this, you dont always get 2 dances inbetween

[swift tinsel]

and even less in aoe

[sly shore]

could you cb on cd after opener basically

with cb in a dance every time

[hazy breach]

But the deal with CB is that either you use it immediately when its ready

Or you dont

And hold for flag+blades

[sly shore]

makes sense

[hazy breach]

Because every second you delay cb

Is a second you need to delay flag

[sly shore]

is delay to flag yuh

[alpine wraith]

yea if you dont CB as the 45 secs are up

you need to delay the next one a bit

[sly shore]

might as well just send it on literally anything then

[hazy breach]

Its really really annoying to make the sim use CB like that though so i cant tell you the exact number its worth

[sly shore]

whatever the global is

[alpine wraith]

yea you send it on whatever but you always get a dance there nonetheless

[hazy breach]

But literally never using it outside blades+flag was a +0.5% gain in S1

[sly shore]

we move to 2 dance in cd's one dance between cooldowns always

[clever delta]

did i miss some CB tech? i wasnt really around discord lately only raid logged

[alpine wraith]

so just guesstimate that it is like 0.7 or higher if you actually use the CB in between or more

there are some bosses like queen when you delay cds a bit so it also lines up anyway

[hazy breach]

Not really

[alpine wraith]

but even then no reason to macro

[hazy breach]

Like even when you can double dance you can time it

[steel zinc]

Wait only use cb in cds?

[vale pine]

just my personal opinion, i think using cb as macro with secret is the better option for 95% of the playerbase. The cb for 2nd secret optimization is minor in damage output but something to consider.

[hazy breach]

Idk do we just skip all the optimizations recommendations then?

Like just macro everything

Skip the premed or supercharge sectech stuff

[alpine wraith]

ideally you just tell both things

then they choose

what i usually do

[steel zinc]

Nah pls that's what makes it fun to play

[keen dome]

Can't you have both suggestions? Where it's a viable option but you can also just optimize this thing for a bit more damage. Like, if you do everything else right it's a small increase here you can also do, but it isn't make/break?

[alpine wraith]

you can always try to make it simple but gamers always seek the cool things

[hazy breach]

Ye thats whats on the "easy to play" options are for

[alpine wraith]

it is on their DNA

like doing the new ninja gaiden on master ninja

[clever delta]

how you go about it tho

[alpine wraith]

without using the drop tech

I DID IT MOM

even if no one cares

[clever delta]

putting cb on different bind or having non cb sectech bind

[alpine wraith]

just 2 binds yea

[swift tinsel]

Can have them separate or have a macro + naked sectech bind

2 binds either way

[alpine wraith]

well you dont really use a macro in that situation

so yea 2 either way

[clever delta]

man if i use my cb manually i will forget use cb most of time 😄

[alpine wraith]

yea that can happen

[vestal escarp]

Im gonna be honest I dont have a bind for CB standalone

[keen dome]

Same

[swift tinsel]

I have a green border on my sectech WA that shows when CB is ready

it helps

[alpine wraith]

you would only need a bind for sec tech standalone

[clever delta]

yeah that make sense

[alpine wraith]

if you already have on in your brain

[vestal escarp]

it's the same thing

[alpine wraith]

and just remember first sec tech of cds this one

[swift tinsel]

Border colors or glows are a very handy cue

[alpine wraith]

yea but people's brains take time

[vestal escarp]

both ways

[worthy relic]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand wyvern]

i keep ST binded on 4 and CB+ST on s4 so i just have to press shift when i want to cb it

[swift tinsel]

I use R and shift+R

[clever delta]

hehe

[keen dome]

high5 for R and shift+R. I have dance and SoD on those now

[clever delta]

but other way around

[lilac stag]

Just put the macro on your non-stealth bar then you’ll never use it first.

[swift tinsel]

I think my dance is 3 and sod is Q, v easy to press together

4 is step?

[vale pine]

no^^

[uneven scarab]

Secret tech is on T for get Terminated noob

[swift tinsel]

Lol I think my T is still target but I never use it

the cursed tech is having blades as shift+middle mouse

[lilac stag]

sectech is on D… for divided damage makes me sad

[hazy breach]

Like the guides already have sections with simplified rotations, i feel like those should be the goto pages for those types of players. Rather than having a bot command be a lot longer and cover up more of the chat so that it can have an explanation of why we recommend something that we dont actually think is the best

Since you need a regular in this chat to even trigger the message typically

[swift tinsel]

I think the bot command makes sense for the 5%

[grand wyvern]

for explanations we just come here and bother you 😛

[keen dome]

I guess if you are in the class discord you are looking for stuff..

[lilac stag]

I’m going to be upset if I have to update

[swift tinsel]

truly iconic

[vestal escarp]

this pic dead bro

[lilac stag]

Nah

Just needs a longer bot command

[uneven scarab]

Pic iconic 4ever

[vestal escarp]

needs to be touched

[lilac stag]

Or trolling

[sick jackal]

sectech is on ctrl + 3 for divided damage

[lilac stag]

hands too big for ctrl

[grand wyvern]

what i learned today is if you ever want to know everybody's bindings just post yours

[lilac stag]

Only works if yours are shit tier

[swift tinsel]

or show shuriken toss bound

[lilac stag]

Falls under shit tier

[swift tinsel]

kekw

[keen dome]

showed u my shuriken toss plz respond

[uneven scarab]

Shuriken toss mouse button 1

[keen dome]

lmao high5 haptics

[uneven scarab]

Very important button

[vale pine]

with you on that

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/a-huge-failure-daniel-ibbertson-dj-slope-slopes-game-room-failure-at-its-finest-gif-25428841

[uneven scarab]

i definitely think there should be an in depth section that lists the gains/minmaxes

[vale pine]

i think thats fine, bot commands are a good tool to convay messages. You usually want to keep the messages short if possible tho

[lilac stag]

a spreadsheet if you will.

[keen dome]

They're a useful tool for reminding or clarifying as a regular, too.

[swift tinsel]

^

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-11928667053720670991

[keen dome]

So you can go "Yeah so we wanna do.. (bot command) this because.."

Like referencing a textbook.

[lilac stag]

!minmax

[vestal escarp]

spreadsheet spec

[lilac stag]

!gainz

[vestal escarp]

pvp spec

piano opener

[lilac stag]

not splayed spec

[vestal escarp]

button bloat

[alpine wraith]

dino sheet stonks increasing

[vestal escarp]

cmon guys go on with the buzzwords

[uneven scarab]

Piano opener

Classic

[swift tinsel]

I reference yours all the time for folks asking about cd timings lol

[alpine wraith]

tbh sub does have quite a bit of buttons to press in 4 secs

[uneven scarab]

pvp spec is like the #1

[keen dome]

I do personally think having easier stuff and more minmax stuff together is good, espescially if you give people a full picture of what you are dropping (or a rough estimate), and why the minmax is better. It lets people make those strong informed decisions. Like me finally swapping off my dance macro.

[lilac stag]

so I have 2 90 second CDs and I don’t use them togethers lulz wut spec

[alpine wraith]

like telling people no more energy does not make you do more dps

even if it feels better

[uneven scarab]

Dude my energy during lust though!!!

[lilac stag]

haste is only in your head spec

[uneven scarab]

Its so fast !!

[swift tinsel]

tea users triggered

but but Kush uses it

[keen dome]

forgo tea: embrace energy drink

[uneven scarab]

But but but

Kush drinks tea!

I must too

[alpine wraith]

i mean for what it does it is not bad

[swift tinsel]

hey my guild is Tea Time

does that mean I have to spec it

[grand wyvern]

he used it cause he had high crit on the character and felt it was equivalent to cb

[uneven scarab]

Tea Time goes hard

Love that

[swift tinsel]

reckful reference

[alpine wraith]

yea with high crit cb is not as good

[uneven scarab]

Valid

[vestal escarp]

define high

[alpine wraith]

40%+ likely ptr chars can have weird stats

i dont even have 30

lul

[vestal escarp]

[alpine wraith]

the new ring is also funny

gamba for dps

gamba for everyone

[swift tinsel]

lol the max I've gotten with s2 sims is like 26% unbuffed

[uneven scarab]

sounds like a lock in

Max gamba

[swift tinsel]

maybe a wee bit more

[clever delta]

can someone explain me this delay cb tech

when i use cb with second sectech

[alpine wraith]

second sec tech hits harder

so you want that one to crit

[uneven scarab]

Literally all u do is use it on second sectech in cd’s

[clever delta]

my second CB will be in next cds?

[vestal escarp]

you cb the second sextech during flag cause as trickster it usually hits harder

[swift tinsel]

fun so far

just contributions from gear/gems/enchants

at 678

[alpine wraith]

second cb ideally is in between cds

but if you mess up you need to delay flag

[uneven scarab]

just crit

No need to delay

[swift tinsel]

I think that equates to like 90% mastery with base %

[clever delta]

so i delay dance for my second CB when ready

[vestal escarp]

like if they fixedthe cb bug you could cb somethign random and not loose some value

[uneven scarab]

No

[vestal escarp]

but no get backstab fixed

[uneven scarab]

u dont delay anything

[clever delta]

i just hitted dummy and my second CB was ready for another set of cds

[uneven scarab]

u just use cb on ur second sec tech in opener

ya u can still use it inbetween

[vestal escarp]

it's fixed mb

[uneven scarab]

just gotta make sure you have it for cd’s

[clever delta]

do you press some finisher between dances in cds so you get second sectech supercharged?

[vestal escarp]

time timings for that are also very hard cause you have to go into flag semi-blind knwoing cb will be up for the second sectech

you dance back to back and time sod to get sectech supercharged

usually on second

[tepid trellis]

you dont delay dances during flag + trinket

you just hold your 2nd symbols for the sectech

[swift tinsel]

yeah I made that mistake for a while lol

[tepid trellis]

to super charge it

[clever delta]

oh yeah

holding smybols make sense

[swift tinsel]

with inev its usually like 14-15sec duration

for the first one

so you can pandemic it pretty easily

[lilac stag]

I wonder how many people know sod prepull tech

[swift tinsel]

shhh

[uneven scarab]

i got in the habit of doing it around the time we stopped raiding

[swift tinsel]

same lol

[uneven scarab]

Just sending one after rez

[swift tinsel]

^

[lilac stag]

I think outlaw has an entire book of a bot comman for prepull

[vestal escarp]

it's a stronger rupture during in cds but rupture is so weak anyway

[swift tinsel]

that reminds me I wanna change the background of my cp's for supercharge

instead of just the icon

[uneven scarab]

They do except blizz decided they werent allowed to do prepull stuff

[polar dragon]

Outlaw FAQ is 15 pages logn when put together

on word

[swift tinsel]

is the 5% DR from Fazed only direct damage or aoe too?

from Smoke

[alpine wraith]

same as atroph everything that is not enviromental

if the debuff is on them

[swift tinsel]

heck yeah

love that

[uneven scarab]

we just have dr on top of dr

Going crazy

[swift tinsel]

just a near-constant 15% dr between vers and fazed

[uneven scarab]

Imagine we played exhil too

[clever delta]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[uneven scarab]

10% max health shields

[swift tinsel]

passive dr + feint is just an insane combo on its own

[uneven scarab]

Elusiveness too

damn

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah

[uneven scarab]

Sub is so fuckin tanky

[swift tinsel]

I usually run cheat for the first few clears until I have a better idea of what'll kill me and what won't then I swap

[uneven scarab]

Pretty much just only run cheat until prog is done

[swift tinsel]

Unless I know I need cheat for cheese

[uneven scarab]

then i like to get silly

[grand wyvern]

dr is unethical for healer parses

[swift tinsel]

sadge

[tepid trellis]

i play cheat until i need to play elusiveness

[swift tinsel]

I have feint macroed to every ability

take that healer parses

[uneven scarab]

Fucking owned

[swift tinsel]

ours are actually quite good, I'm very rarely worried about my health once they know the fight damage patterns

[uneven scarab]

Our main healer was a mythic healer so im never really worried

Shes insane

[swift tinsel]

one's been an hpal onetrick since tbc and the other is pres and is knows his shit inside and out

the others kinda rotate in and out on diff specs

[clever delta]

man im at dummy trying this delay of cb and sod

[tepid trellis]

damn our healers are also mythic healers, yet they still let me die

[clever delta]

and its actually pretty natty line up after opener

[swift tinsel]

we had a hpriest that was out of his mind

[tepid trellis]

(i annoy them)

[swift tinsel]

but had to quit bc of family time and work

[alpine wraith]

nothing like some good chimaeron action

1 sec into nighttime

what was last boss you rotted

hmm the dog in aberrus

maybe

[uneven scarab]

I also annoy mine but they know we wont be seeing the end of a boss fight if im dead

[fathom adder]

@swift tinsel which passiv dr do you mean? just from vers?

[tepid trellis]

magmorax and Sark

[uneven scarab]

Vers/fazed

[swift tinsel]

High vers and 5% dr from fazed

[fathom adder]

ty ❤️

[swift tinsel]

with decent gear you're sitting at ~18-20% vers

so 10% dr from that alone

plus another 5% from deadened nerves against phys

[grand wyvern]

and vers flask is almost bis, more free dr

[swift tinsel]

can also go Fade to Nothing for vanish shield

another 10%

[uneven scarab]

Soothing darkness

[swift tinsel]

kekw

recuperator

[uneven scarab]

my beloved

[alpine wraith]

yea man magmo and sark were wild

died like a dog to some spits

and to constant dmg

[uneven scarab]

Fucking magmorax rot damage

Was a good loot piñata boss tho

[swift tinsel]

okay Mr. Mad Decent Gear

[dawn summit]

glazing ur healers is the wave imo

[uneven scarab]

Always

[tepid trellis]

nah

[dawn summit]

dude if i get sac and don't have to hit feint

thta's like 1 backstab of throughput

think abt it...

[hazy breach]

Mad deeps

[swift tinsel]

that 40k dam tho

[uneven scarab]

Could be the difference in r1…

always worth

[swift tinsel]

truuue

[clever delta]

so i tornado queen this week or what

.D

[tepid trellis]

him standing in shit having to get sacced was prolly worse

[swift tinsel]

feint is off the gcd tho

so skill diff

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[dawn summit]

it costs energy that i could be spending on like, 7/8 of a backstab

u don't see the vision...

(please don't grief ur healers just fucking hit feint)

[tepid trellis]

nah

its literally their job to heal me

[swift tinsel]

lmao I'm typically bottom of the meter for damage taken

[tepid trellis]

fck em

[grand wyvern]

i am not griefing them i am helping them parse

[swift tinsel]

we have some legit liabilities on our raid team

[dawn summit]

i am a big 'heal my guy' advocate

[tepid trellis]

im top, we are not the same

[dawn summit]

but sometimes u gotta cut them a break

[tepid trellis]

tryna top both dmg done and dmg taken

[swift tinsel]

dang, new goal activated

[vestal escarp]

topping self heal

[swift tinsel]

dropping all my vers gear for crit

make Crimson Vial WORK

[tepid trellis]

then you aint topping dmg done

[swift tinsel]

that slow drip

[tepid trellis]

goal lost

[swift tinsel]

b r u h

[tepid trellis]

stand in fire

dps higher

[swift tinsel]

can't argue with that logic

it rhymes

don't have to worry about getting Rescued out of it bc our evokers love to troll our RL with it bc it tilts him off the planet

[grand wyvern]

if my evoker troll me with rescue i can always macro /cancelaura ebon might and prescience in every button

[swift tinsel]

I like to prented they're Buzz Lightyear

and I'm Woody

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-buzz-falling-with-style-gif-14458812

okay back to sims

[willow pawn]

Does sub basically have a perma winning streak buff?

[tepid trellis]

should be fixed

[willow pawn]

for rotten build for M+, do we still evis > ST with cold blood?

or can we send ST first

[tepid trellis]

trickster or DS?

[willow pawn]

trickster

[tepid trellis]

has the same rules as now

has more to do with coup stacks

[willow pawn]

kk so basically wowhead guide works the same for ptr

for both DS and trickster

[tepid trellis]

yeh nothing changed

[willow pawn]

ill take a look

ty

[real yew]

is sub still bugged to hell

[swift tinsel]

11.1 fixes a lot of bugs

[real yew]

are people actually testing sub now?

[swift tinsel]

we typically do

[real yew]

early word was it was too buggy to test thats why i asked

[granite river]

Nah test it

It’s fun and do dam

[swift tinsel]

Early on in this ptr cycle certain parts of the spec and tier set were still bugged so depending on what you were looking into it was definitely too buggy for some things

afaik the only outstanding bugs for the tier set are: 2pc doesn't buff shadowed finishers portion of evisc/bp

and some people have permanent stacks

[real yew]

was just looking for some basic dmg #s and tier increases for guild tier prio

gotcha, well thanks

[swift tinsel]

ah, its hard to work out exact % bc its not working entirely as intended

and not fully implemented in sims atm

but if it goes live working as intended our tier set is very impactful on our burst windows

[lunar bluff]

any tea builds making an appearance?

[swift tinsel]

NIMBY

[lilac stag]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet| Github Tracker

[alpine wraith]

tea is a bit weaker than cb right now

so not likely to change

as for tier sub one seems quite strong

at least a 15%+ increase

from initial things

before even playing around it etc

[dire jolt]

People are already saying "Don't nerf our spec, we're weaker than sub on ptr."

[alpine wraith]

nice to know

[dire jolt]

its nice that Outlaw and Sub like the same embellishment.

[hazy breach]

Next tier you can pretty much just skip an embellishment

[dire jolt]

sucks they aren't letting them scale

They should empower the raid buff like other consumables.

[hazy breach]

Idk some of them scale minorly, so guess we swap to those

Just really strange and clearly underdeveloped

[dire jolt]

people didn't enjoy swapping Embellishments last expansion I think.

[swift tinsel]

embellish/crafted sim finishes in ~20mins, doubt they'll show up lol

[alpine wraith]

ascension will likely what i play as you can get that one on wep

[vale pine]

embellishments are good enough to play

[alpine wraith]

then no need to upgrade the other one yet

[vale pine]

but they are like eleem layed out fairly minor in impact

[alpine wraith]

that is the thing about the 1 effect then the doubler

[fathom adder]

so we finally craft the effect-dagger

yey

[dire jolt]

letting Embellishments scale with the ilvl of the crafted gear would be the easiest thing ever I'd think.

[vale pine]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[vale pine]

okay, fixed the spacing ^^

[hazy breach]

Ye for sure, its probably just worth to use your crest on other things after you had your weapon

[alpine wraith]

yea it is silly how bfa embellish are stronger

than ones now

[vale pine]

embellishment are absically

[alpine wraith]

likely i just craft weapon

[vale pine]

early power spikes

[alpine wraith]

then upgrade myth gear yea

[vale pine]

can get a secure high-ish item level

think its fine if crafted gear is like that

a bit boring, but fine

[alpine wraith]

my patch spot is boots so unlikely i get M ones as they drop further

the good thing about crafted gear is they reduced the cost too

so it is not a super int anymore at least

[swift tinsel]

isn't it like 60 gilded now

or 45

[keen dome]

60

45 is heroic iirc

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah that's right

[keen dome]

So they're good pieces for deterministic one-step-off-iLevel cap items.

But the embellishments themselves seem very whatever now. Which, probably, good.

[vale pine]

makes it hard to pick the wrong one

just focusing lense

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, probably gonna rush a wep since I won't see mythic for months unless I can get the rookery one in vault

[keen dome]

I still use Ascendance 'cos I had it for Assa during the dark 11.0.1 -> 11.0.5 times.

[swift tinsel]

Nice thing is if Rix drops it I get it lol

[keen dome]

And I probably won't swap off it in S2 'cos it's on my OH dagger + bracers

[swift tinsel]

meanwhile I still have no crafted pieces

[alpine wraith]

M wep is safe craft yea

big ascension

[swift tinsel]

since I switched the last month of raiding lol

I didn't even sim crafted daggers

gotta add that to the list

have them running in the background while databasing lol

[keen dome]

I think a 639 is a marginal increase for me in OH but when I did my big simming, I am basically done on gear.

636 or 639 in every slot sans transmitter. The only meaningful boost is 639 Versa/Mast boots via cata and that's like, 3k. So whatever.

[swift tinsel]

I still have a 626 crit/mastery oh but I cba to replace it atm

[keen dome]

Ye

[swift tinsel]

had that from my first rogue vault and only replaced it with a myth kukri

[keen dome]

No real rush since OH is whatever

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, I'm not too terribly worried about it

I typically cap out at hero track 6/6 each season since I don't run a ton of keys, let alone any 10+

thinking about going for full myth this season tho

[keen dome]

It's a fun challenge but be ready to go mad chasing vault drops

[alpine wraith]

doing weekly 10s can be chill

[swift tinsel]

kinda sucks most of our well-itemized pieces come from raid and I won't see any bosses past 4

[alpine wraith]

unless you get the batch of degens

[keen dome]

I just need boots and getting them is impossible and I don't care enough for 3k DPS increase (something like 0.2% or something)

[swift tinsel]

we have a pretty great group of consistent +10 runners in our guild which is great

no super sweatlords

only 1 or 2 go for 3k, most hit 2.6-2.8 and kinda chill there

think I ended at 2.1k

[keen dome]

Nice work

I think I'm just shy of 2.6k but effort getting the final two 10's timed when I don't careeeee.

[swift tinsel]

thanks! rogue is the first toon I ever got ksm on in SL

[alpine wraith]

i dont even have all 10s timed i think

but have some 12s

on others

[swift tinsel]

I have a 10 NW and Mists and a few 8's

[alpine wraith]

after i got almost all gear from m+ my willingness craters

[swift tinsel]

but I pug a lot and it was a chore this season

[alpine wraith]

didnt help some good games came out

[keen dome]

Ye, I did all of mine via pugging

[alpine wraith]

same i just spam nw mists and dawnbreaker

[swift tinsel]

the 2 10's were with guildmates and I think I'm gonna try for all portals this season

[alpine wraith]

farmed some grim batols for skardyn

[swift tinsel]

the last big targeted farm I did was for branch

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, you can do it Haptics

[swift tinsel]

was like 40+

[keen dome]

I try to get 2.5k as a minimum. Have done every seasons ince I came back in DF

My best was almost 3.1k in uh.. S3? Which was fun.

[swift tinsel]

I didn't start running m+ until I think s2 SL when I did a handful as ret

then s3 got ksm

[keen dome]

Nice

[swift tinsel]

can't remember if I got it all seasons in df, that was an iffy xpac for me bc of a lot of rl stuff

[tight bison]

are we still bugged in PTR? XD

[alpine wraith]

they fixed a lot of them

only annoying ones left is mark bug and shadowed finishers not working with either DN or tier set

[tight bison]

do we have any sims for 11.1? for talents and trinks?

[alpine wraith]

some things are not implemented fully

so not yet

[still crystal]

Anyone know somewhere i can find a credible 7.3.5 legion sub rogue guide lmao (highly doubt)

[alpine wraith]

for sub you play MA and fist of the dead

or depending you can also use denial but i think by that time denial was already nerfed

[worthy relic]

fuu had a spreadsheet back in the day for a guide

[alpine wraith]

yea i also made some but i didnt use yt back then so they are lost to time i think

[swift tinsel]

dawnthread gloves/boots is looking okayish if you're not crafting a wep+banding

[alpine wraith]

depends wep still likely first craft

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[alpine wraith]

just because of how it works

[swift tinsel]

this would be once you've got 2x 678 weps

even then they're barely better than just regular raid/m+ gear

but people are into that

crafted amulet viable too

need to dig in more but sims are taking a hot minute

higest combo I've gotten so far https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b7tB2nRFLjqJeY96wqLtEH

not optimized by any means

[worthy relic]

https://leovdw.github.io/SubtleGuide/ found the old fuu guide

[swift tinsel]

just prelim goofing around

[vale pine]

haha true, i am surprised the image links still work

[alpine wraith]

fuu site more resilent than many

[vale pine]

i put some very premilary sims in !fuu/sheet (only light mode, s2 tab), my profile is at ~2.55M

[swift tinsel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty mural]

nightblade

[swift tinsel]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n4EALm42RTDJBQuiS2BnPd without rune kickers

same custom apl input

gonna make a few profiles and mess around, took a second to modify the simc input with all the new gear

[vale pine]

ah nice

seems a bit higher

i created the profile yesterday

[swift tinsel]

how to you determine the secondaries on crafted gear in simc?

[vale pine]

today was some simc fix

[swift tinsel]

or embellishments

[alpine wraith]

they have ids for themselves

[vale pine]

so possible gear is not optimized for it

[swift tinsel]

yeah, it was updated between some of the sims I had run between yeterday and today too

[vale pine]

you can just use the gear list from #tc-research and copy/past it in top gear

^^

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I have that pulled up in notepad atm but I don't know which ID is which stat

or stat combo

same with embellishments

[alpine wraith]

for ex

[vale pine]

i am surprised the ring is in for you

[alpine wraith]

idk if the stats things is the same

[swift tinsel]

rings I simmed a few times

[vale pine]

well again, probably because of

[alpine wraith]

but usually it remains kinda similar

[swift tinsel]

jastor is always in

[alpine wraith]

that one was the one i kinda curated for s3

[vale pine]

the simc fix, which massively increased dps

[alpine wraith]

the gamba ring?

[vale pine]

no

the siren isle one

[swift tinsel]

yeah my sims jumped like 300k when it was updated recently

[vale pine]

ye

[alpine wraith]

yea gamba ring is big

after the fix

[vale pine]

i just re-run the profile, so haven't looked if the simc update made talent or item changes worth

[alpine wraith]

it is funny how it works with hour cds

[vale pine]

so not optimized for the burstier profile

[alpine wraith]

sometimes you can get lucky and not reset

but if sometimesd you can get an unlucky reset just before cds

as if we were not enough gamba

it is always a rdps increase anyway

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna keep plugging in diff crafted gear and see if I can beat that combo I posted

will report back if anything interesting pops up

[vale pine]

ye, just top gear it

[steep vigil]

Curious if anyone messed around with this trinket on PTR https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=230189/junkmaestros-mega-magnet

[hidden geyser]

as deahtstalker should i still use sec tec as first spender during shadow dance?