subtlety

[random hare]

so it was always shit above 5 targets for premed

[tepid trellis]

it was worth it for "prio"

[random hare]

thats true

[patent crystal]

who cares about small mobs

[random hare]

i always did it even in bigger mob counts for that

sub was fun in s2 DF

fight me if u disagree

it was the best shit ever

[tepid trellis]

its okay to be wrong

so dw

[leaden prairie]

[bleak wind]

wasn't season 2 of DF sub giga rng shit

[tepid trellis]

nah

it was gloomblade spam

[random hare]

are those talents good

[bleak wind]

gloomblade was shadowlands

[tepid trellis]

no

[bleak wind]

you mean the lingering thing?

[random hare]

what do i change

??

fast

[tepid trellis]

gloomblade

[random hare]

!

[molten citrus]

Wowhead or something

[bleak wind]

oh, I am misremembering then

[random hare]

+OMG

DEATHSTALKER

[vestal escarp]

Weaponmaster and take the forst dance

[random hare]

PLAYS FIRST DANCE

IMA KMS INGAME

[hazy breach]

Both should

Its really good

[random hare]

oh it increases duration only

forgot

not cp

xdd

[leaden prairie]

[tepid trellis]

yep

its passive

[vestal escarp]

[random hare]

when od i evisc

and bp

on deathstalker

fast

[tepid trellis]

it was the 90% SoD uptime tier

[vestal escarp]

Faster

[random hare]

fast fast

how many targets do i BP

blackpowder

?

[tepid trellis]

2

[bleak wind]

ye ye with the blades proc

[random hare]

ty

[vestal escarp]

😭 nah man at best it was 50% sod uptime

[tepid trellis]

what

dance gave sod

[bleak wind]

in sanctum

[tepid trellis]

thats it

[bleak wind]

tier set

[tepid trellis]

also wrong xD

[bleak wind]

what

[tepid trellis]

that was sepulcher

xD

[bleak wind]

how cooked am I

oh ye

thats what I meant

[tepid trellis]

sepulcher was blades proc

[bleak wind]

jailer thing

[tepid trellis]

yeh

tier 1 DF was some passive crit and crit dmg

[bleak wind]

ok they sound and spell similar

[tepid trellis]

tier 2 was SoD on dance

tier 3 gamba ruptures

[tepid trellis]

i know, i was poking fun at how dogshit it was to play

[bleak wind]

gloomblade lingering doing average damage as much as evis, good times

[tepid trellis]

it did more xD

[patent crystal]

special times

[random hare]

dude

[tepid trellis]

unless you had good crit rng

[random hare]

i only did 6m dps

???

wtf

[patent crystal]

Just get Class trinket rng on Magmorax 👀

[tepid trellis]

i did highroll that like a mfer

just looks at those proc timings

just in all dances

like god intended

[haughty mural]

where bp ?

[patent crystal]

reality

[tepid trellis]

i was doing gods work dw

[random hare]

4 targets

[uncut grove]

whats going on with this tier set bugged info? is this set giving too much damage? cause this casual guy pops off on PTR

[hazy breach]

It does pretty much nothing

[uncut grove]

sussy

[hazy breach]

What

[slate lantern]

is casualaddict doing the Ross tech of using ilvl 69 gear on ptr for big dam

[uncut grove]

i mean, if the tierset itself doing nothing and he is still able to completely shit on all other dps specs on PTR\

[hazy breach]

Its ptr

But also, sub is a good spec already

[random hare]

they fixed low ilvl

on ptr

doesnt matter

andybrew cried about me gapping him by 1 mill dps and reported it to blizz

[slate lantern]

but for a brief shining moment, you were a star

[random hare]

i mean

it probably gave me like 200k

not 1 mill

@leaden prairie do u remember what kush was playing?

[leaden prairie]

havent seen kush play on ptr

[random hare]

played with him alot

i just dont remmeber if he was trick or ds

[haughty mural]

yesterday i think he played ds

atleast when i watched

[random hare]

what main trinket

did he use transmitter?

[molten citrus]

ds ya

i didn't look at trinks

[jaunty umbra]

pretty sure house of cards

[hazy breach]

Mfers saying sub is terrible in keys suddenly saying sub is overtuned after it got a bugfix worth like 3%

Smh my head

[alpine wraith]

smoke and mirrors

[wind canopy]

[alpine wraith]

it is sec tech working with blades for sure frfr

or maybe RS is 1000% playability buff

[vestal escarp]

bandwagoners

gonna hit the brick wall face on very soon

[slate lantern]

RS is replicating shadows yes?

[hazy breach]

yes

[random hare]

hows my dps so low

omg

[molten citrus]

i think it's just from seeing certain people play it after said bugfixes, but yeah it's hilarious

[tepid trellis]

its also ptr so you arent really playing with the best people

so the samples you get of class performance is absolutely horrible

[lilac stag]

The literally don’t want to play sub.

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-brick-panel-gif-17806248

[lilac stag]

buff flag

[tulip gorge]

I am so grateful we have zeross to sandbag sub on ptr

[vestal escarp]

i didnt think about it this way

[misty hare]

is sub shaping to be the better M+ spec next patch now?

[hazy breach]

There has been no changes

[misty hare]

was unclear on pins whether those resulted in a net buff

[hazy breach]

Yes like 2-3%

People just havent realized sub is actually good already

[misty hare]

ok...so is it looking like that is a big enough change to shift meta? at least with casual gaping thye other day on ptr

[molten citrus]

it's ptr

[wind canopy]

lol

[molten citrus]

1 tuning pass and anything can change randomly

[haughty mural]

no reason to overreact right now

[fathom adder]

SUB META GUYS

DASH OUT 50 VIDEOS

[random hare]

how are u guys saying tier is bugged btw

the stacks never get consumed

@tepid trellis

[hallow ice]

!logs

[molten citrus]

afaik it isn't working on shadow dmg

the stacks should be getting consumed

[hazy breach]

Idk some people still have the stacks permanently

For most it gets removed pretty much instantly, like i wrote last time you asked about it

[random hare]

oh interesting

most of our dmg is physical tho?

wait

[hazy breach]

About half

[random hare]

details is bugged

it just says

blackpowder physical

is it

wtf'

it is physical

[hazy breach]

No

[random hare]

it literally is

tooltip says its physical

[hazy breach]

Its not only physical

[random hare]

ah

i see what u mean

[swift tinsel]

and since it counts as two hits it gets double the chance to reset tier per target hit

[hazy breach]

Some people have their stacks perma

[swift tinsel]

lucky

jk jk

[random hare]

im 100% sure casual had it perma

can i drop replicating shadows for first dance?

or is it bad

[steel zinc]

I do on ptr

[haughty mural]

you could drop wm for first dance

[uneven scarab]

^

[random hare]

ty

[vale pine]

first dance is quite good

[haughty mural]

ye

[vale pine]

detils does not show the attack type correct, but the damage is

[random hare]

ye

its tier set

bugged

too much dps

sub is just trash ig

once its fixed its over

well guys u guys thought sub was op

[leaden prairie]

what is this dude yapping about

does anyone understand him

[random hare]

do u understand that tier set is perma 10 stacks

maybe thats hard to understand

and the dps diff is mega insane

super noticable on details

[leaden prairie]

Stealthi said it reseted Perma instead

[hazy breach]

For some it does, for some it doesnt

[molten citrus]

No

[leaden prairie]

Gg nerf sub!

[haughty mural]

[hazy breach]

But also perma stacks inst nearly as insane as it might seem on first glance anyway.

Since the shadow damage part doesnt work its like 20% finisher damage. But our current tier set is about that much, except its only in cds, but we dont do much outside cds anyway

[minor trout]

And I thought I roll sub now instead of outlaw, now I’m not sure anymore 🤣

[jaunty umbra]

sub is dead unfort

[molten citrus]

anyone trying to pick what to play based on the state of things on PTR is doing something wrong unfort

[minor trout]

So you think sub only good atm due to bugs?

[molten citrus]

no

sub is good even on live rn

[lilac stag]

Outlaw poggers on ptr

Slam dem 5 buffs

[minor trout]

Still capped

Never good for m+ till we uncapped

[rocky wolf]

i havnt done raid testing at all, but ive heard people saying that its a historically bad melee tier isthat just people being dumb or is it rough

[molten citrus]

not true, it's just tuning dependent

[hazy breach]

You mean except the 6+ times its been the best spec in m+?

[lunar widget]

hey Mista rogue

[minor trout]

Yes 🤣

[lunar widget]

can you tell us the dominate rogue spec in DF S3?

[molten citrus]

people being dumb. they say that every tier, literally.

[minor trout]

Maybe it was outlaw and I was playing it, just maybe 🤣

[rocky wolf]

sweet

[lilac stag]

Every tier is a bad melee tier on ptr

[rocky wolf]

im still undecided if i wanna stay rogue next tier, with out any big changes and more boring tier sets i think i might try something new

[uneven scarab]

rogue rogue rogue

[lilac stag]

Go for it. Find your fun

💣💥💣💥💣💥

[minor trout]

I don’t have hope for good outlaw tuning though ^^

[uneven scarab]

Why tho

Outlaw is good rn

[lilac stag]

It’s literally tuned fine right now

[rocky wolf]

all 3 rogue specs are good rn on live

[minor trout]

So you guys say we tuned fine and rest is overtuned? (Bm / enhance etc.)

[uneven scarab]

yes

enhance is insanely strong rn

[lilac stag]

enhance is an outlier.

[swift tinsel]

if you don't think enh is overtuned you're on crack

[uneven scarab]

like literally brought to every key

they are nuts

[minor trout]

Yeah currently yes

Talking about ptr most likely

[lilac stag]

and there is a lot of shitty enhance players.

same diffy

[uneven scarab]

Cant really say anything about ptr until its live

[lilac stag]

why do people get so bent on ptr tuning

[minor trout]

Ok you give me faith

I mean I stay rogue no matter what happens

[lilac stag]

If numbers are what you care about have 5 classes ready.

[uneven scarab]

Based

[minor trout]

I always did since df s1

Never played anything else

[rocky wolf]

well if trinket tuning is bad you prob want 3 or 4 of each class too!

[minor trout]

I just hope we are kinda meta, cause I only pug (title range) and this season it’s impossible to find grps

[rocky wolf]

start your own awesome group 🙂

[vestal escarp]

@leaden prairie @random hare magic already over?

[minor trout]

Or I’d need swap to assa

But I don’t like assa 🤣 sub and outlaw are fine

[hazy breach]

Queue as assa swap to outlaw before key starts

[minor trout]

Haha I did that few times

But people realized to quick

And I got kicked 🤣

[hazy breach]

Do it during pulltimer

[keen dome]

Ask for a real long pulltimer "for the tech"

And then don't explain anything else

[minor trout]

Well I gave up on title for this season back in November anyways

I took a break from wow and hope s2 gets better 🤣

[hazy breach]

It seems like theyve fixed the shadow amp on the tier, which would explain why some people with old bugged ptr characters that have the buff perma do tons of dps

Thought it still didnt work, although havent double checked that it works on everything

Worked on gloomblade atleast

[alpine wraith]

oh boi

i will check a bit later

[hazy breach]

But i couldnt get it to be perma on any character, so prob just old ptr bug

[random hare]

tier set bugged as fuck lmao

[alpine wraith]

tbh even if you cant have perma stacks it wont change much dmg outside dance is like noodle

and inside dance you should have full stacks anyway if they fixed the shadow dmg it is just the power lvl it has

[cyan lava]

What's bugged about it

[random hare]

pretty sure perma stacks is mega broken

[cyan lava]

isnt it supposed to do that

[alpine wraith]

not really if that was broken finality being bugged and always applying to bp would be op

[random hare]

no

ur just yapping rn

10 stacks forever

[alpine wraith]

but we dont even use that talent even with the bug because dmg outside dance is whatever

[random hare]

is still very good

its way stronger than s1 tier set

the dmg is extremely noticable

[cyan lava]

oh is it not dropping out of dance

[random hare]

its not dropping at all

so u always have buffed bp, st, ruptures

[cyan lava]

itll take them til 11.1.5 to fix it

[alpine wraith]

you would still only rupture to not drop stacks then go into dance with full stacks

[cyan lava]

as in literally only press backstab outside dance?

[alpine wraith]

shuriken storm if m+

[cyan lava]

wtf

[random hare]

hachadino

u wont have 10 stacks magically once u enter ur cds

not dropping them at all is insane

basically all ur abilities guaranteed to do 30% more dps

forever

cds or not

[uneven scarab]

I highly doubt it stays that way though

perma max stacks?

[random hare]

it wont

[alpine wraith]

yea they will drop

but if you are into cds you want to have them ideally

[random hare]

i think we'll be turbo broken if rng aligns well (if it gets fixed)

[alpine wraith]

so like in st you would just use a first dance then maybe put some ruptures

[random hare]

60% more shadow dmg is really huge lmao

[uneven scarab]

I mean if you do the rupture only cheese

like we planned

[alpine wraith]

to get the full stacks going into flag

in aoe it is a bit diff but i dont have hours to test all things

[random hare]

idk maybe if ur doing super high keys

sure

[alpine wraith]

maybe when koji implements things into sim it is easier

i mean in most pulls you will have at least a dance or a first dance depending

then ruptures then maybe another dance

[hazy breach]

Bro yapping about how broken it is while still being last on the dps meter

[uneven scarab]

[alpine wraith]

no reason to int the stacks but also dropping stacks when not bugged is also a bit bugged

[uneven scarab]

No matter how broken you think you are

Youll never be an enhance shaman

[molten citrus]

[cyan lava]

y are they allergic to nerfing enhance

any knowers

[hazy breach]

Dont think the perma stacks is that many percentages gain tbh

[alpine wraith]

one thiung i havent tried is do you lose stacks outside of combat?

[hazy breach]

We do no damage outside dance anyway

[cyan lava]

yes

[alpine wraith]

yea like i was explaining before

[cyan lava]

i think winning streak only has 15 or 30s duration

[swift tinsel]

no

it's perma

[alpine wraith]

the part of our dps outside of cds is so much lower the extra FINISHER dmg is not super big

so like premed

i expected it

[swift tinsel]

even when not bugged stacks do not drop outside combat or have duration

unless they changed it recently

[alpine wraith]

that was actually a funny change they did and almost no one talked about it

[cyan lava]

i swear they have a duration

[alpine wraith]

i will log in later

and see

[cyan lava]

maybe im wrong idk

[alpine wraith]

hmm

[hazy breach]

It does not have a duration no

[swift tinsel]

only way to drop is change talents

or let it reset in combat

[alpine wraith]

yea seems like you can piggy back them

[hazy breach]

It might drop after a while anyway, cant swear on that

But theres no timer

[alpine wraith]

so it is even better to play around having high stacks

[swift tinsel]

I've sat afk at max for like 15 mins

[alpine wraith]

yea no way you risk bping outside dance

[swift tinsel]

unless its diff in instances

[hazy breach]

Presumably it drops on boss pull and key start

[swift tinsel]

ye

[alpine wraith]

if you can lose stacks and begin next pull with 0

that one is grade 10 int

[swift tinsel]

yeah that would be turboaids

[alpine wraith]

so likely you just rupture outside dances for cdr

maybe snd if you are going to drop

[uneven scarab]

Cant wait to start a boss pull with 5x rupture

[molten citrus]

I find it hard to believe that they will let the gameplay be that degenerate

[alpine wraith]

dont think that would happen

well in aoe you get more cdr

so you also sec tech etc

and go into dances also first dance is quite strong

if you have a full stack first dance even without flag

[swift tinsel]

first dance feels really good with new set

[alpine wraith]

that is A LOT OF DAMAGE

[uneven scarab]

First dance just feels good

Good talent

[alpine wraith]

witness hitting for almost 1m and mark too

kekw

finisher spec

btw

mark actually hits for 1.2m+

[uneven scarab]

More like split hit spec

[alpine wraith]

yea man splitter spec

[uneven scarab]

splitter spec!!

[alpine wraith]

even more now that blades affects sec tech

1 button 6 instances of dmg

[uneven scarab]

The burst is gonna be turbo

[alpine wraith]

brrrrr

[uneven scarab]

big

[random hare]

is it worth consuming darkest night in aoe btw?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[random hare]

and at what point i shouldnt consume?

[hazy breach]

Immediately

[random hare]

or just never

[hazy breach]

You ideally dont want to proc it to begin with

But if you do you need to use it

[random hare]

wdym u dont want to proc it

[alpine wraith]

yea if you procced it try to consume it asap

[random hare]

ah

for

[alpine wraith]

there is some degen thing for multi target scenarios

[random hare]

funnel dmg

and stuff

right?

[alpine wraith]

well mark in itself enables many things yes

[random hare]

ye

[alpine wraith]

singular focus and mark dmg is big also hunt them down

[random hare]

i might just not proc it on 1st pull of mechagon

at all

shouldn't be worth i feel like

[alpine wraith]

what eleem said is what you do is you change target and shadowstrike when at 1 or 2 marks

[random hare]

or maybe it is

i will but

[alpine wraith]

to not proc DN

[random hare]

i wont flag that mob

[hazy breach]

If you are at 1 mark and you strike another target you will get 3 marks on that new target

Part of why deathstalker stinks

[random hare]

i think i flag 1 mob and strike another

in 1st pull mechagon

[hazy breach]

No

[random hare]

what then

[hazy breach]

Everytime you hit 1 mark

You strike something else

Literally everytime

[random hare]

oh shit

[alpine wraith]

or 2 if you are about to proc shadowcraft

you change to not proc DN

[random hare]

wait even in aoe?

no way

[hazy breach]

Yes

[alpine wraith]

aids gameplay

oh also target cant die with mark

[random hare]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[alpine wraith]

that also procs DN

[random hare]

so u never shuriken storm?

[uneven scarab]

Deathstalker sub ladies and gents

[swift tinsel]

wait

[alpine wraith]

you storm a lot

[random hare]

or u do but u strike in between?

[hazy breach]

Yes you still storm

[uneven scarab]

U do storm

[alpine wraith]

witness hits like a truck

[random hare]

ok ok

[vestal escarp]

im having so much fun ong

[placid tendon]

cus darkest night forces you to evis and disables other hero talents?

[alpine wraith]

also because you cant pop marks

while DN is up

because blizz hates you

[swift tinsel]

am I fridaying too hard or is this 36% blades damage

[alpine wraith]

tier set also buffs sblades

why?

dont ask me

or wait that might be because of armor

if that is the phys hit

blades gets the pre mitigation dmg

[hazy breach]

Dornogal dummies

[swift tinsel]

ah

shadow hit is also 36%

[swift tinsel]

out of curiosity does it being dorn dummies change dam somehow

[alpine wraith]

they were some kinda krangled for nimble too i remember

[swift tinsel]

ah, I'll check in org too

was firmly like 20-21% the other day so I got excited for a sec that they fixed it lol

[hazy breach]

Should be like 25% with all the amps

[swift tinsel]

its pretty consistently 22.6%

in org*

[random hare]

ok

i think

[alpine wraith]

thinking is good

[random hare]

i think with proper route sub may be just stronger than enh

[hazy breach]

Well ye, thats without dark brew

[random hare]

or same dps

[hazy breach]

So thats not with all the amps

[random hare]

idk

[swift tinsel]

Ohh thought you meant all the amps we currently spec

[hazy breach]

Dark brew is already good/better on deathstalker aoe

Presumably better with new tier

[alpine wraith]

yea you storm more so you can just go the 1 extra SoD build

instea of rotten

all most should kinda have fw consistently

[cyan lava]

does trickster actually change your rotation or no

[hazy breach]

Yes

[alpine wraith]

yea

well both ds and trickster have their things

there is no baseline per se

[vestal escarp]

PV into 1 DP build 🤮

[swift tinsel]

1 DP doesn’t feel that bad since we won’t sod without dance

Or likely won’t

[hazy breach]

It does feel bad

Because you get too many dances

[vestal escarp]

dropping dd for brew

[swift tinsel]

Oh wait are y’all talking about aoe strictly

[hazy breach]

Ye you wouldnt play it on ST

1 point of rotten is literally twice as good as both points in finality on ST

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah rotten st is solid

[vestal escarp]

ST you're locked on rotten cause of insane strike dmg

[swift tinsel]

Ye

[vestal escarp]

(it's not insane it's just good)

[alpine wraith]

well most people never played ambush sub

when it actually did lots of dmg

now it is decent at least

[uneven scarab]

ambush sub

[vestal escarp]

i played sub in soo once i got sha trinket

[alpine wraith]

sub in soo was cool

[vestal escarp]

on the one third of bosses that were full st

[alpine wraith]

i played sub on garrosh blackfuse and others it was nice

even on klaxxi big burst when needed

[hazy breach]

I played mistweaver and had 2 120s ICD trinkets that would pop at the same time as the jade temple intermission so i would solo one of the 5 sides, big tech

(in 10 man)

Because mistweaver could use both the healer and the caster dps trinket for some reason, so you could get the 16% extra secondaries from both, as well as lining up the ICDs.

[alpine wraith]

yea pala could do the same

the str and caster one

totally balanced 30 sec hot

on tank with vengeance

that healed so much

[hazy breach]

Another peak blizzard moment from that raid is the lazers upstairs on blackfuse had some bugged interaction with karma so you could practically oneshot a weapon with it

For some reason it would redirect the premitigated damage instead of the damage you took, so you'd just use your 90% diffuse magic to take no damage yet still oneshot it

[alpine wraith]

rofl

i actually struggle to explain why blackfuse was so hard

but then i just tell people he had TONS of hp

like super big beefy lvls of hp

and you had to do all mechanics perfectly

[hazy breach]

It wouldnt really be that hard by todays standards tbf

Difficulty has ramped a lot

[alpine wraith]

well it depends back then the research lvl and preparations were a diff thing

like people have gotten so good

it took us like 720 pulls or smth

now people get angsty at like 100+ pulls on a boss

[swift tinsel]

elitistjerks forums were still around then weren't they?

I forget when they faded

[alpine wraith]

in legion kinda they began panning out

after shadowcraft also kinda got fazed and simc began gaining ground

i was more of a lurker back then

[swift tinsel]

ah that makes sense, ej and mmochamp were the only places I really knew about then besides like wowarmory.com and whatnot

[alpine wraith]

only began tcing etc around late wod and legion

well rogue and hunter had some cool projects like shadowcraft and femaledwarf

kinda simc with UI

and able to do combinations etc

because stats/talents were easier to zero out

now everything is rppm or hasted rppm garbage

and random uptime buffs/debuffs

also a funny thing the pacemaker trink that procs every min seems quite good for m+ you can get it to proc on a lot of first dances

[swift tinsel]

a lot of what I knew of rogue back when was from watching killars or reckful stream lol

[alpine wraith]

i was still on bleeding edge kinda back then so i had to do my own research most of the time

[west tide]

hello just wanted to greet my sub friends we might be seein each other more next tier, good day

[keen dome]

👋

[simple garnet]

I’ve seen one all season

[alpine wraith]

i see one every day

he is quite handsome if i may say so myself

[hallow ice]

if anyone has time to look at my log i would appreciate ur advice ty

[edgy zenith]

buddy, I've done your other logs before

you're doing the same mistakes I told you to not do last time

you did the same exact thing in this new log

you are messing up your flag windows, which is all your damage

your opener is fine. just repeat your opener every 90s

there's a few small nitpicks about your general usage of CDs, but you gotta fix that 90s window

it's scuffed every time

do not press your CDs until after you press Flag for that 90s lineup

also, do not press symbols of death without secret technique

those two things will increase your parse by like minimum 25 percentiles

[finite carbon]

alright og subs, how do we get rid of the fotm threat that threatens our shores?

[wraith sphinx]

the huh?

the wuh?

is this fotm threat in the room with us?

[keen dome]

Be very nice to people wanting to learn Sub and making sure they have a good time

[finite carbon]

i agree

[alpine wraith]

the fotm threat resolves itself when they try the spec 1 week

[keen dome]

It'll scare people off right quick

[vale pine]

don't think we have fears

[dawn summit]

people don't reroll to rogue often

[next fjord]

Wait, Sub is meta? Shit man I prepped for Outlaw

[slate lantern]

the meta are the friends you made along the way

[uneven scarab]

Most people that reroll sub were already rogue players

[alpine wraith]

i have been trying the shadow dmg amp on set

and it seems fixedish?

would need same ilvl item as tier set to really check but

[wanton perch]

is there a way to get rid of the tricks of the trade anim over our heads?

[wind canopy]

Not talent into it

[wanton perch]

fuuuuuu

[mint swift]

Wait subs the best rogue?

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/david-byrne-same-as-it-ever-was-always-has-been-same-gif-22266189

[keen dome]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yes-yes-mr-bean-bean-gifs-gif-18507111

[mint swift]

I didn't mean enjoyment wise i moreso meant like
Outpud

not output

outpud

because i can't fucking spell

[uneven scarab]

What on live rn?

[keen dome]

We glow the most purple.

Our output is immense.

[uneven scarab]

we glow and we get to dance

What else could you want

[slate lantern]

is there a bug with vanish and losing stealth before shadowstriking or am i just fat fingering something in my opener

[uneven scarab]

yes

if u ss too fast after vanishing

It bricks ur vanish

Just dont spam ss aftee vanish

and ur fine

[slate lantern]

ah thank you, i thought i was just boofing the rotation

[uneven scarab]

Nah its happened to me a bunch of times

[upper narwhal]

Bugs? On Subtlety? Never.

[coarse nexus]

happens with dance as well where u get a backstab

[vale pine]

nope, don't exist

[upper narwhal]

Soon they wont

[vestal escarp]

several

all on singular focus

[mint swift]

The one thing standing between me and "The love fool" Title

a bug

(On the topioc of bugs XD )

[upper narwhal]

/pity

[mint swift]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

Man i wish cars were real;

Also super happy i got the mask earlier (Yes ik it's just the scarecrow set but i think it fits well

[upper narwhal]

No car only dug

[mint swift]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-25713443

[vale pine]

i thought i tabbed into the assassiantion channel for a moment

[next fjord]

What friends?

[mint swift]

D:

[upper narwhal]

I wish the assa channel was talking about dogs

[vale pine]

but cats are superior

[keen dome]

Truth

The biggest truth

[bleak pasture]

Am I just completely tripping

how is this line triggering

in trickster m+ build

when deathstalkers mark is not talented

ah it's the or statements?

But I don't get why it makes a difference if I remove that line in trickster builds, it loses like 70k dps

[hazy breach]

The last part of it

All the !talent.unseen_blade stuff is trickster

If you dont storm once with rotten you wont have find weakness, so BP wont do much damage

[mint swift]

Wrong

We all know out of cats and dogs

Bats are the superior answer

[tame salmon]

yo on ptr do people run dark brew?

[hazy breach]

You can, its good with deathstalker

But id recommend trickster, significantly less annoying to play

[tame salmon]

im personally playting DS rn

super used to it from assa rogue

but is it an angle on live aswell?

[hazy breach]

Well it doesnt play the same as it does on assa

[mint swift]

I wonder how dark brew tastes

Cause brew assumes it’s like
Drinkable, right

[swift tinsel]

black licorice

[tame salmon]

hm

also i got the st in m+ down

just not really sure how im supposed to play aoe

[hazy breach]

Ye its fine

[tame salmon]

do i want to Black powder spam if its a massive pull then other than that just eviscerate instead?

[mint swift]

Ew

[tame salmon]

black powder feels like it does 0 dmg

[mint swift]

Isn’t it like BP on 5 or more targets in shadow dance

I might be wrong tho

[hazy breach]

BP on 5 or more in general

As trickster yes

As deathstalker you BP on 2

[mint swift]

Oh I thought it was just in SD

[tame salmon]

on 2

really

does that mean 2 and more then aswell?

[hazy breach]

BP does good damage

Yes

[tame salmon]

i see

[mint swift]

Idk, I might just stick to trick

[hazy breach]

And at 3 it does more prio damage than eviscerate

[mint swift]

Tricks easier, brain off mode

[hazy breach]

Problem with deathstalker is that darkest night really really really sucks in aoe

Like its awful

[mint swift]

Is it just
7cp evic

On sub

[swift tinsel]

invites the most cursed aoe tech

[hazy breach]

So you want to try to strike another target

So it resets to 3 stacks

So you dont proc darkest night

[hazy breach]

Yes, but evis does no aoe damage

[tame salmon]

u dont want to proc darkest night

how come?

[mint swift]

Oh true
On assa you just mash envenom either way

[mint swift]

He just said

[hazy breach]

Because it does no damage

[mint swift]

Imagine if it applied to Bp instead

[swift tinsel]

if only

[chrome palm]

Why not just let us bp the darkest night =_=

[hazy breach]

And while darkest night is up it bugs out the mark

So if you do proc it you want to use it asap anyway

[pliant topaz]

That would do more damage than sectech on like 7+ targets pretty sure

And u can proc it very often

[mint swift]

Seriously though, can’t it just be changed to
“Your next evic or black powder”

At least it would be fun

[pliant topaz]

Also, they wanted this thing to be single target focused for idk themes I guess

[chrome palm]

Or just have it less effective on BP

[tame salmon]

ok i see why ds is annoying to play around then

[hazy breach]

Ye but that would make sense

We dont do that around here

[swift tinsel]

they'd have to nerf bp and they can't do thatttt

only buff

[tame salmon]

i was not aware that it was not worth sending eviscerate on that

[mint swift]

How many times did they huff it by 30%

[swift tinsel]

not enough imo

[mint swift]

Assa got DS so much better

[chrome palm]

Or they could literally make BP consume it and not buff bp

So it doesn’t bug the mark lol

[mint swift]

Just press envenom 4head

[hazy breach]

They could just fix the bug

[swift tinsel]

nahhhh

(plz blizz)

[chrome palm]

Asking a lot with that one

[swift tinsel]

hey they're on a bugfix streak

well, they were

[mint swift]

Oh my fucking god of course it’s bugged

[tame salmon]

but isnt DS better overall tho?

in m+

[mint swift]

What did they fuck up this time XD

[hazy breach]

Not really

[tame salmon]

or is it super niche

[hazy breach]

Theyre both good

[swift tinsel]

trickster is good burst

and the st isn't that far behind

[mint swift]

The day it becomes better in every situation is the day this chat gets burned to the ground

[tame salmon]

cuz i was playing some +8s just to fiddle around

and was getting 2m+ dps on bosses

[hazy breach]

I mean technically it is right now based on sims

[tame salmon]

with ds

[hazy breach]

But not by much

[tame salmon]

ill have to play trickster to feel the difference

is there any prerequisite u want to fish for before coup de grace?

ive not really played it at all

[mint swift]

I just play trick as sub tbh
If I play DS I’ll probably get tilted
And playing while tilted just makes you play worse

[tame salmon]

i dont get tilted

im happy i get to click buttons

dont care if we deplete

[swift tinsel]

Have fazed up, ideally send in dance with supercharger

Fazed is the big prereq tho

[tame salmon]

so u want to send it at 7cp+SC

for the +5 ontop

to giga slap?

[hazy breach]

Supercharger literally doesnt matter. You gain the exact same damage doing from 7 > 10 as going from 12 > 15

As its linear scaling

Just gotta make sure your target has fazed up, otherwise you dont get 12 seconds of +15% finisher damage

[tame salmon]

what fazes

btw

is it shadowstrike?

[hazy breach]

Sectech, unseen blade

[tame salmon]

so

i want to tab target to keep it up?

i realize it says this effect

so tab targeting does nothing im assuming

does Sectech go over the timer?

[vestal escarp]

at this point we should just get combo, for DS dn would hit harder and feel a bit better and for trickster we would maybe (?) press evis again

[haughty mural]

The forbidden word

[vestal escarp]

the c word

dn is even stronger than the c word

but ppl say it feels bad to press in aoe

[haughty mural]

You can also call it the z word

As in

The zul incident

Im just memeing

[steel zinc]

New ptr build out

[sly shore]

release candidate

[vestal escarp]

[hazy breach]

[small juniper]

its laughable

at some point u gotta let us complain at devs man

its wild at this point

[vestal escarp]

squint your eyes

rog is there

[small juniper]

will it make my logs better

[hazy breach]

Ye complaining is fine, just sometimes when the climate is too negative and too complainy some people end up sending death threats to developers

[small juniper]

well ban those freaks cus thats obv weird as hell

[vestal escarp]

you got one part of that wrong

[wind canopy]

[pallid inlet]

sending death threats is bad mmkay

[vestal escarp]

those are not people

[small juniper]

its just so boring to be a rogue when u see every class getting changes

and all u get is blind and sap now break

its a bit of a let down

[hazy breach]

Obviously the bar is really low, but atleast we got some of our main bugs fixed

[small juniper]

its not gameplay affecting changes tho

thats the main thing

[hazy breach]

And numerically sub is probably gonna be pretty good next tier. Esp if you ever need burst

[small juniper]

its so boring now

[vestal escarp]

rotten not there

https://tenor.com/view/glorpshit-this-is-glorpshit-ahhambaga-gnarp-gnarp-gnarp-gif-13113175027861219961

[small juniper]

sub has been the same for years now apart from elements of RNG being added

which is just a downgrade

hows that remotely entertaining

most ppl play sub because theres little to no rng involved

[leaden prairie]

do you guys ever play around tracking the cp thing from shadow trchnique or whatever the name is

[vestal escarp]

shadowcraft?

[leaden prairie]

ye

like im tracking it

but idk why

cause i never look at it

[vestal escarp]

depends if you have indicator for refunds

[hazy breach]

To know when youre gonna get a refund

But if you react to the refund anyway

It doesnt really matter

[leaden prairie]

i feel like i can just react at this

its more fun anywya

ace proc you knoiw

[vestal escarp]

but ace makes a sound by default

[leaden prairie]

but idk do you ever plan something around a refund

[small juniper]

u have ~1 second to react

u can easily react

[leaden prairie]

that would be weird

[small juniper]

unless u are 60+

[leaden prairie]

ye i know

im just thinking maybe some scenarios you wanna plan 2 finsihers ahead for whatever idk

and having a proc can fuck you over if you didnt expect it

cause idk you needed a builder

[small juniper]

u shouldnt miss globals in dance

[hazy breach]

Not really no.

[leaden prairie]

i think imma just yeet my tracker

ty eleem

you convinced me

[small juniper]

u had a shadow tech tracker?

or just a stacks tracker

[leaden prairie]

ye stacks tracker

[small juniper]

thats fine to have

[leaden prairie]

ye i just never really look at it

[small juniper]

but dont use the auto attack % chance to give shadow tech tracker

u will look at it sometimes if u play a lot

its fine to have

[leaden prairie]

i still have that one from sl

but same shit

i never look at it

[small juniper]

i used the % chance tracker in legion for a bit

its so useless

but shadow tech stacks tracker is good

[hazy breach]

Tracking the percent chance of the sht procs themselves is kinda redundant nowadays ye

And you dont necessarily need to see the stacks, but i like it

[leaden prairie]

how does the thing works with swapping target with dn btw

[hazy breach]

Darkest night stinky

[small juniper]

if u have dn up and u evis with full cp

[hazy breach]

Clear the witness good

[leaden prairie]

cause if you just ss again on the same target you reapply the mark anyway right

[small juniper]

u just put mark on that target

mark wont proc if u have dn up

[hazy breach]

So you want to strike a secondary target when you have 1 mark left

[small juniper]

u can put it on a target

but stacks wont work

[hazy breach]

To reset it to 3

[molten citrus]

if i understand correctly you consume 2 Marks and then Strike a new target

[hazy breach]

So you dont proc darkest night

Sometimes you get "fucked" by shadowcraft refunds

So you need to eviscerate with DN anyway

But ideally you dont

[small juniper]

not like thats bad

sometimes u want prio dam

[leaden prairie]

i dont get why tho

cause if i just ss with dn i reapply mark right

[small juniper]

no

[leaden prairie]

so what do i lose

[hazy breach]

When DN is up the mark bugs out

[small juniper]

i just told u zac

[leaden prairie]

i mean i do tho or

[small juniper]

if u have dn up

mark dont work

[leaden prairie]

oh ye they dont go down

[small juniper]

ye

[leaden prairie]

i remember that

right

[small juniper]

u can apply it

[leaden prairie]

mbmb

[small juniper]

but it does 0

[vestal escarp]

bro i've been telling them, since amirddrassil sub has been complaining that in aoe theres no prio

[leaden prairie]

okok

[vestal escarp]

[leaden prairie]

you have prio tho now

[vestal escarp]

now hero talents have prio

[leaden prairie]

with both hero talent

its op

[vestal escarp]

and 4% tech discards that

[leaden prairie]

nerf sub !

[small juniper]

every time i did a key in s3 df (only season i did actual m+) ppl always asked for sub prio dmg

i just said

sry i dont do that

prio dmg got removed in bfa s1

gg

[hazy breach]

Assa has it

[small juniper]

ye assa is the new sub

on steroids

[hazy breach]

Its not quite at zul levels

But its getting there for sure

[leaden prairie]

oh ye

thats actually what i was thinking about

i remember now

so like say i know im about to proc

and i would get fucked over

[hazy breach]

Well you cant really do anything about it

[leaden prairie]

cant i just reapply earlier

[small juniper]

@hazy breach ok u do have some prio

but

at almost no point

is it worth losing 97% of ur aoe

to do prio

[vestal escarp]

deathstalker has very good prio raz

as sub

[small juniper]

prob

[vestal escarp]

focus is strong

[small juniper]

highest ive done is an 11 by accident

[vestal escarp]

not prob

[hazy breach]

BP does more prio than evis anyway

[small juniper]

so could be good

[hazy breach]

[small juniper]

next tier i come back with my sims

dont worry

[vestal escarp]

nobodys worrying

...

[hazy breach]

How many targets do you think you need for BP spam to be more prio damage than spamming eviscerate raz

Ok i got ignored But its 4

[vestal escarp]

as ds?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[vestal escarp]

it's 2

[hazy breach]

Not for exlusively prio

[vestal escarp]

just crit bp

[small juniper]

@vestal escarp

let me show u something

[leaden prairie]

watching

[small juniper]

this is top logs on broodtwister

[leaden prairie]

i see that guy eleem

wtf so good

[vestal escarp]

hm

[small juniper]

SIKE

[leaden prairie]

private logs dont count bozo

[hazy breach]

Ye but private log = cringe

[leaden prairie]

get better and public log

[small juniper]

now say cap

gotta give the noobs a chance

[leaden prairie]

imagine private logging in 2025

i cant

[vestal escarp]

bruh idc after 2.5m its cheesing

[small juniper]

public logged in nyalotha

[leaden prairie]

?

[small juniper]

got r1 allstar world multiple times

im over it at this point

[leaden prairie]

low damage noob

[vestal escarp]

now blud is gonna say that parasites replicated by accident like all others

[small juniper]

😮‍💨

[leaden prairie]

i love parasites

such a funny boss

[vestal escarp]

ovinax is the affix that spawns them

[sly shore]

average = 8 infests

zacs infests = 112

[leaden prairie]

idk what this means

but ye

[vestal escarp]

holy cringe i cant belive he actually humblebragged about brooditwister dps

[small juniper]

are u in the guild with 2 rogues and those 2 rogues are both outlaw only @leaden prairie

[leaden prairie]

nope

[small juniper]

ah

[leaden prairie]

my other rogue is a normal rogue

[small juniper]

so hes playing assa then

[leaden prairie]

ye

[small juniper]

freak

[leaden prairie]

ye its weird

i know

[vestal escarp]

zac plays assa

[leaden prairie]

i did my part

i did enough assa

for a few years

im done

[vestal escarp]

watch stream: assa
look up rio page: assa

[leaden prairie]

ye like

fuck assa or

[vestal escarp]

if it didnt have giga cringe st

[leaden prairie]

unlucko cause i feel like i finally started playing assa good

but now its over

[molten citrus]

zac doesn't main outlaw no more

[vestal escarp]

i would problably have played it 24/7

[leaden prairie]

i tried my best

[molten citrus]

he goes wherever number higher

no loyalty