but maybe shit has changed since
#subtlety
barren wolf
supple pawn
Whuh
barren wolf
you gotta be real good
supple pawn
Doesn't that apply to most?
native zodiac
!wa
tepid trellis
ranged class that decided to take a melee spot
barren wolf
if youre a hunter you gotta play bm/mm
tepid trellis
so not an exact 1to1
supple pawn
sigh
barren wolf
well you can still find a guild but its gonna be harder
supple pawn
How does one be defined as "really good" then ive been pugging since DF S1
tepid trellis
like my guild has been known to be the guild of OTPS
guild full of spec specialists
barren wolf
i was gonna comment on your mythic logs but like you have a 6 minute sikran kill from last week
supple pawn
I'm upset my raid group doesn't do mythic anymore. Even they were a pug technically but it was still nice to have a group
tepid trellis
aim resonably for wr and then just slow rise up
jolly pasture
like my guild has been known to be the guild of OTPS
Do ppl stick to a spec no matter what?
supple pawn
aim resonably for wr and then just slow rise up
wr?
barren wolf
Do ppl stick to a spec no matter what?
yes
tepid trellis
world rank
supple pawn
i was gonna comment on your mythic logs but like you have a 6 minute sikran kill...
Elaborate
jolly pasture
Like would you be sub if sin is mega better than sub
tepid trellis
if i think sub is works
barren wolf
if assa is bad im benched, unless sub is actually overpowered
tepid trellis
then yes id play sub
supple pawn
Like would you be sub if sin is mega better than sub
I play survival because I enjoy survival a lot. I'm better as survival than MM or BM too
tepid trellis
i played sub on Kurog back in vault
supple pawn
6 minute kill means you cant really get a good log
I know but. I pug...
jolly pasture
I play survival because I enjoy survival a lot. I'm better as survival than MM o...
Sv is pog esp now. Actually wanted to main next tier rather than rogue but gl convincing your guild lol
supple pawn
Dude it's actually so mind-blowing to me that group has maxed rings and raid buff too. My raid buff is only at like 11% last I checked
Maybe it's 14 now I don't remember
barren wolf
????
supple pawn
Isn't the max 20%
jolly pasture
18
supple pawn
Ah
jolly pasture
You do lfr once and your done with the buff
barren wolf
idk but that says something about you if a guild looked at that
tepid trellis
thought it was 16%
barren wolf
youre not even trying to do as best as you can
supple pawn
idk but that says something about you if a guild looked at that
I didn't have a guild to raid with so I didn't bother to do raid by the time we got the buff rolling in
tepid trellis
should start out by just finding a CE guild
supple pawn
I could technically farm the ring each week from queen but what am I gonna do with the ring? Do +10s faster?
tepid trellis
and go from there
barren wolf
I could technically farm the ring each week from queen but what am I gonna do wi...
get logs
and impress a guild
you said thats what you want
if you had 99s across in hc youd get a guild much faster
supple pawn
Well now that makes sense ig but it didn't come to my mind intuitively back then
barren wolf
and a better one
wind canopy
Or make friends through various content and then join their mythic raiding guild
supple pawn
if you had 99s across in hc youd get a guild much faster
You being serious rn?
You're joking
I did that shit in DF and people said that heroic logs don't mean shit
supple pawn
Or I tried at least
barren wolf
if you apply to a wr40 guild they wont care
but a CE guild definetly will
i dont have 99s in hc
tepid trellis
if you apply to a guild thats world 500 or lower they will probably just laugh at it
supple pawn
All I've been applying to was 6/8M
barren wolf
99s definetly prove you can play your spec very well
supple pawn
sighhhhhhhhhhhhghghhhghhhhhhh
tepid trellis
its like a market
jolly pasture
99s on hc early in the season wil get you into a ce guild for sure
tepid trellis
why take the apple with brown spots on it when there is a fat juice green apple right next to it
supple pawn
It just didn't make sense to me earlier in season. People already got their raid team together and progging shit. What does it matter then
jolly pasture
Then you spend a tier in a horrible guild race to world last and then you move up
supple pawn
99s on hc early in the season wil get you into a ce guild for sure
I can link my week 1 heroic logs ig
barren wolf
It just didn't make sense to me earlier in season. People already got their raid...
cause people recruit continuously
tepid trellis
there are all types of guilds out there
supple pawn
They were done on an alt because my main was deleted because of prepatch bullshit
tepid trellis
you never "stop" recruiting
barren wolf
a very small subset of guilds dont recruit all the time
supple pawn
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/moon-guard/prza they aren't 99s but they're something ig
Took me 12 hours for brood and princess each week 1
Ended up taking a delve vault slot xd
That was the point I didn't give a shit about the season anymore. Because I did all that and like. I'm not even in a group so what would be the point of having idk ovinax egg week 1
barren wolf
wdym whats the point of having gear early on?
whats the point of having gear later on then
gear is only fun early on cause you can have better gear than others
supple pawn
wdym whats the point of having gear early on?
whats the point of having gear lat...
Getting 2.5k early in the season is the same as getting it late in the season
I'm not getting mythic prog early, not getting it late either was the thought. Because no guild
supple pawn
gear is only fun early on cause you can have better gear than others
And mind. 24 hours combined for 4/8H to 6/8H and I didn't even get anything for it
barren wolf
(small caveat, i hate how streamlined gear is and how people can be fed gear, i enjoyed it way more during personal loot)
wind canopy
supple pawn
i did 64 hours of m+
And you're in a rank 50 guild
Those 4 items do more on you than on me, no?
wind canopy
Itās not about the items.
barren wolf
its a game š
wind canopy
Itās the mindset.
barren wolf
m+ is the most fun week 1 for me
supple pawn
Why would I know that? I'm a solo player
tepid trellis
m+ is the most fun week 1 for me
ty, i hate it
barren wolf
awesome
supple pawn
Itās the mindset.
Elaborate
jolly pasture
Like 6 tiers in a row i take a day off to grind m+ day one to have like 1 upgrade at the end of the day
Its fun and depressing every time
tepid trellis
but yeh vesa all you can do is, apply to alot of late CE guilds and wait for a bite, or join a 4/8-6/8 gets some decent mythic logs and then apply to a CE guild
barren wolf
Like 6 tiers in a row i take a day off to grind m+ day one to have like 1 upgrad...
its more about the message
wind canopy
If youāre planning on progging on harder bosses, you could be spending weeks and 100s of pulls and not see a piece of loot. The point isnāt about getting gear. Itās about patience, desire to learn/improve, and eventually killing the boss.
tepid trellis
i was the lowest ilvl person to kill queen ansurek mythic
think i got 2 items from mythic before we killed her
- 2 BoE's
that my gm bought for me 
wind canopy
If all you do is make excuses or grief about gear rather than play the game, then it looks poor on you.
supple pawn
If youāre planning on progging on harder bosses, you could be spending weeks and...
I want to kill the boss. But like I want to do mid mythic prog or higher
Heroic I clear every season anyways
barren wolf
all my mythic loot was a pair of legs and a dagger + 2 boes farmed
supple pawn
I didn't get shit for mythic rashok but I was happy to kill it and I only got one kill
Same for larodar
I didn't even get to kill Raszageth. I was happy just to see the fight
wind canopy
Then you need to view prog across all levels as learning and improving.
Not āI spent 24 hours on these two bosses and no gear to show for itā
barren wolf
idk i might just slack this tier and not bother with gear. hopefully get mega benched and if rogue is really good for last boss idc
tepid trellis
aint not short cuts unless you got friends in high places
think im just gonna full send sub
and just vibe
barren wolf
if we know rogue x2 is good on last boss, ill get funneled gear
but thats very unlikely
wind canopy
Sub next season seems better for progging with the changes
supple pawn
Not āI spent 24 hours on these two bosses and no gear to show for itā
Am I... Not allowed to be upset for wasting time?
wind canopy
Yeah
barren wolf
Am I... Not allowed to be upset for wasting time?
youre playing a video game
an mmorpg
jolly pasture
Sub always ends up being good for the longest time even if it look like sin tier
tepid trellis
did you get absolutely nothing out of your pug runs?
did you learn nothing?
didn't get better at the game?
barren wolf
youre forgetting wow is a rewards driven game
people need to see that ilvl go up to care
barren wolf
yes
tepid trellis
tbf i did used to do like 200 hours of dummy hitting every ptr cycle
supple pawn
youre forgetting wow is a rewards driven game
I'm the one upset I didn't get rewards... I'm confused
tepid trellis
rewards is not only in loot
barren wolf
i was responding to stealthi
supple pawn
did you learn nothing?
I learnt spider is the best to start on
Oh sorry
I learnt that brood is free with 2 fury wars and a frost dk
tepid trellis
im like the least loot horny person on this planet, i could not care less
i just wanna prog hard bosses with the lads
barren wolf
i wanna say i dont care but i do care
its demoralizing to be the lowest ilvl all the time in my raid
tepid trellis
im too old to care
wind canopy
tepid trellis
I learnt spider is the best to start on
i used this here to join an upstarting guild, that was going for CE
then we were we done with mythic that tier i used these mythic logs to get into a reformed guild that wanted to start raiding again
tepid trellis
then we got these that tier
barren wolf
man 12 boss raid...
wind canopy
The CE guild that I joined only saw that I had only the first three bosses from EP and two from Battle.
barren wolf
dont miss those
tepid trellis
then played in the same guild until it disbanded and we just got higher and higher WR
here we are around WR 200
and finally here i joined my current guild
barren wolf
you had slightly better logs than me
tepid trellis
so its a long ass journey
wind canopy
Stealthi is kinda the example Iām making though. Play the game, seek to improve, and you go places
tepid trellis
i used to be fanaticly obssesed with my own performance
i used to spend hours upon hours studying logs
barren wolf
you had slightly better logs than me
what a massive improvement between patches
tepid trellis
trying to find ways to get better
barren wolf
im a goat ig
tepid trellis
im a goat ig
barren wolf
ok buddy
tepid trellis
ive been slacking on farm since then
barren wolf
i dont do parse runs
wind canopy
Wow felt like it kinda changed since Aberrus
tepid trellis
parsing has just become more and more cringe
barren wolf
<:PogO2:1159577328624603226>
wind canopy
Motivation isnāt as high
tepid trellis
so i just didn't care for it
wind canopy
And yeah that too
wind canopy
Pre-TWW anyway š
wind canopy
jolly pasture
How do you get good at looking at logs. Also what are the main things to look at? Compare your cd timings to high parsers?
barren wolf
hardest 100
tepid trellis
How do you get good at looking at logs. Also what are the main things to look at...
look at casts, timing of them ask yourself why they might be different than yours
watch the replay
see how he moves
wind canopy
Sequencing, timing of CDs, downtime, positioning
leaden prairie
you had slightly better logs than me
Focus buddy
leaden prairie
I would win noob
wind canopy
Gm zac
leaden prairie
Gm
barren wolf
it cant be good cause zac is french so theres only Morning for him
leaden prairie
Hm
wind canopy
Whatās wrong with the French?
tepid trellis
if french people didn't exist, we woulnt have french tacos
which would be a massive L
wind canopy
barren wolf
woah it started snowing outside
wind canopy
Holding outlaw against zac though, thatās a different story
leaden prairie
Thanks
wind canopy
barren wolf
whats your real life name, zac
tepid trellis
thats so old lmao
tepid trellis
zacharie
barren wolf
Zachie
leaden prairie
whats your real life name, zac
zac
barren wolf
Zacherie
isnt your name z-acro? cause you liked acro so much
you named yourself after it
random hare
his name is tom
barren wolf
too bad youre DEAD
fierce minnow
kekw
tepid trellis
his name is tom
tompelvis
barren wolf
sub meta now
good
finite carbon
we movin bois
wind canopy
tepid trellis
my name park
barren wolf
Mr. Thomas
tepid trellis
leaden prairie
!ban @random hare
random hare
!permaban @leaden prairie
barren wolf
my name park
ohhhhhhhhhh
random hare
Enough is enough !
random hare
my name park
Peter Parker?
barren wolf
yeah that makes sense after thinking about it
tepid trellis
how so?
barren wolf
its a common korean name
tepid trellis
my intials are j-y-p
leaden prairie
In the tv shows
barren wolf
Jin
leaden prairie
I got one right or
tepid trellis
nop
tepid trellis
first name is literally the letter J pronounced
random hare
jhon
barren wolf
John Stealth
random hare
I like that name
Is it Korean
Oh itās John 
Nvm
@tepid trellis ur pfp is kinda weird
I donāt remember pandaās looking like that
tepid trellis
its a trash panda
wind canopy
first name is literally the letter J pronounced
I wouldn't have guessed...
random hare
Well if itās weird then I think itās weird I didnāt call it weird
tepid trellis
Jae is very hard to guess
barren wolf
ok Jay
barren wolf
american aaah name
leaden prairie
Jay yan park
random hare
Jay tan
tepid trellis
Jae-Young-Park
leaden prairie
No way bro is young
barren wolf
you said youre old
leaden prairie
I said young already
tepid trellis
xD
leaden prairie
Why you said no!
wind canopy
You said young yun
random hare
Omgogmgomggogmogmg John
random hare
Yong thug?
random hare
tepid trellis
nah they different
leaden prairie
Oh both are actually a thing
barren wolf
a whole letter different
tepid trellis
yeh
leaden prairie
Wtf dude
leaden prairie
tepid trellis
middle name yeh
leaden prairie
Ye
wind canopy
Huh I thought Jae was more common
random hare
I live in mars
wind canopy
Guess not 
random hare
Yea
Basement
For oxygen
Underground basement
Undermars basement*
We have dogs that meow here
They are basically the opposite of any animal
So a dog is a meow
Giraffe roars like lions
tepid trellis
ė°ģ¬ģ that would be my name in Hangul
leaden prairie
What would be mine
random hare
barren wolf
Is that Tompelvis in hangul?
tepid trellis
basically just the korean pronunciating of zacharie
random hare
Iāll rename my rogue to Tompelvis
And Zac will have to pay for a rename if he wants me back to zeross
effective immediately
leaden prairie
?
Would you like
If people renamed themselves zeross
And went on being cringe everywhere
Cause thats what you did last time
tepid trellis
do it on an alt account and go into gold shire and throw out slurs (legally this a joke)
random hare
If people renamed themselves zeross
Np
random hare
And went on being cringe everywhere
No I didnāt
leaden prairie
You were yourself
tepid trellis
valid
leaden prairie
If you do that I will just block you till you rename anyway
Someone already stole my name on my home server
Idk why people do that
tepid trellis
its haha funny
barren wolf
sorry
random hare
Someone already stole my name on my home server
Someone did for my name too
On few servers
random hare
If you do that I will just block you till you rename anyway
Wait I get to be the first on Zacās blocklist 
tepid trellis
imagine not having your name on your home server
random hare
name not here
leaden prairie
imagine not having your name on your home server
I moved to draenor and instantly a rogue took my name
wind canopy
random hare
I moved to draenor and instantly a rogue took my name
u told us u were going there
Ur mistake
leaden prairie
Hm
random hare
Also not sure why someone would even keep ur name ur name is way different than anybodyās usual names
Also wdym ur name is Tomelvis there anyway
leaden prairie
What
leaden prairie
Was it taken on French realms too?
draneor aint my home server
because im french
i just cant go back to french servers because some rando took my name
is ok tho
one day if i care enough i will send the fbi to his house
random hare
i just cant go back to french servers because some rando took my name
Like right after you transferred?
leaden prairie
ye idk
mortal crag
!bug
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Bugs - Subtlety Rogue
sly shore
Also wdym ur name is Tomelvis there anyway
@leaden prairie love harry potter
leaden prairie
i do
vale pine
i just cant go back to french servers because some rando took my name
just add some letters to it, like zĆ¢c
vale pine
then tomelvĆs, tomelvƬs or tomelvĆ®s
plush roost
Its like when i search Charrend and a level 61 paladin from Ysondre is the first result -_-
vale pine
or the classic tomeIvis
leaden prairie
I will just dm him
He obviously took the name to fuck me over so
I don't believe that the only guy with the same name than me being an outlaw rogue on my french server is a coincidence lol
void hound
because im french
zacrobleu
leaden prairie
i have an alt named zacrebleu ye
leaden prairie
my next assa alt will be named varas
tulip gorge
imagine having alts of the same class 
alpine wraith
hey hachadinotwo hachadinothree and hachadinofour are very upset at that
leaden prairie
imagine having alts of the same class <:LULW:1308874874181255258>
i tought there was no other class outside of rogue
vestal escarp
Tompelvis
steel ruin
This is why one should Trademark ones nickname.
hollow spear
I never knew about the RS bug. Now that I read about the fix, I suddenly understand why it felt like I was sometimes griefing during my flag window.
tribal blade
after the rework i initially thought the WA i had to track my sht stacks was broken or something
watching your finishers just float away into the ether was absolutely miserable
or i should say, IS absolutely miserable
vale pine
This is why one should Trademark ones nickname.
i wish you could ^^
lilac stag
I never knew about the RS bug. Now that I read about the fix, I suddenly underst...
blissful ignorance is a good thing in this case. we never really hid the bug in here discussion wise, but for some not knowing about it probably did wonders for their stress levels
you could turn into myself or armin and rage about it and /quit
hollow spear
It was already rage inducing to have it happen to you without knowing the exact reason for it
Especially on DS, when each finisher matters to squeeze your 2nd sectec into transmitter
upper rock
how many targets do we rupture in aoe?
vestal escarp
Anything that lives 12 ore more seconds
On paper
In practice, that rule but adjusted so that you spreading rupture isnt gonna delay your flag burst to make you miss dmg of the second dance
still trellis
man just did a key with sub after getting transmitter, was so much more fun than with skardyns
hollow snow
man just did a key with sub after getting transmitter, was so much more fun than...
collect orb or stand in circle
hollow snow
cloak and pray
still trellis
it was gb, and it was that big bl pull before the flying part
not sure if cloak saves me there 
but got the orb around 6 globals into the pull
hollow snow
goodnight flagellation o7
still trellis
and im gonna be looking to switch transmitter out as soon as i get the cards next season
sick jackal
is there a talent build to play in m+
swift tinsel
pretty much the same as st build but take imp storm
cursive vapor
is it recommended to macro blades with dance ?
cursive vapor
i saw many using such a macro, especially for pvp i was just wondering
swift tinsel
pvp might be its own thing, idk
there's a pvp channel, they'll probably know better in there if you're wondering about pvp-specific stuff like that
heady sierra
you'll lose premed
Sorry, what do you mean by that?
heady sierra
OHH
hazy breach
So having blades up when you havent used a strike yet doesnt matter
heady sierra
So you should not use shadow dance during Shadow blades?
hazy breach
You absolutely should
You shouldnt use shadow blades until youve used premed the first time
heady sierra
Dance>Strike>blade>finisher?
hazy breach
Is what we are saying
swift tinsel
officially locked in rogue on the raid spreadsheet, we ballin
had 3 healers drop and almost got called in to heal next season
void hound
pog
swift tinsel
I think I'm one of two people on our token too
haughty mural
i see us getting nerfed/ tuned down tbh
sullen hare
i see us getting nerfed/ tuned down tbh
First time?
swift tinsel
wouldn't be surprised if 2/4pc damage %'s get nerfed since they're so impactful
should make it like unholy that grants up to 10 stacks during DT so we don't have to game it
vestal escarp
ofc no fun allowed for the pvp spec
swift tinsel
inb4 4pc down to 3-4% per stack
tropic nimbus
How about tier is fixed first
swift tinsel
that's a foregone conclusion
haughty mural
First time?
sullen hare
<:Syphahuh:1043317803190603887>
Getting nerfed I mean, being silly:)
haughty mural
ooooh..
but no it's not 
thats why im expecting smth
im slow today :3
did not sleep well
slate lantern
I was messing around on the 5 dummies in dorn practicing a m+ rotation, and I'm a little confused on backstab vs shuriken storm priority in aoe situations out of dance. It seemed like shuriken storm was generating a lot more CP for me than backstab, is building to coup that much more important than immediate full cp with shuriken storm?
vestal escarp
wowhead guide pretty clear about it, build with stab outside dance at lowest priority only if flawless form is not up
fallow nimbus
If we could see the blade cd then all this wouldn't be a problem
hazy breach
wowhead guide pretty clear about it, build with stab outside dance at lowest pri...
You dont even need to do that anymore really
fallow nimbus
Some icd debuff, a "is ready" buff maybe with stacks for after sectec
fallow nimbus
But for <5 it matters
hazy breach
Not much
fallow nimbus
Nothing even matters 
vestal escarp
still
outside dance
whole lagoon
is tier set on PTR still bugged ya?
vale pine
is tier set on PTR still bugged ya?
yes, we made a pin for it
whole lagoon
yes, we made a pin for it
yeah saw that lol sorry- can i ask whats bugged about it?
or simply dosent work at all
uneven scarab
4pc shadow amp isnt working
Im not sure about the 2pc rn but it wasnt working properly before either
thin sapphire
i was abt to ask if our t set was still bugged in the ptr
whole lagoon
mean while realz was in jediths stream testing out every single DH change with him lol rogue getting dog water treatment
vale pine
roughly:
- 2p buff does not work on every shadow damage (e.g. ignores shadowd finisher)
- the stack loss does work on damage events not casts, so e.g. if you hit multiple targets or have split damage events you get way more chances to make the stacks fall off.
- The shadow damage parts are not working
uneven scarab
swift tinsel
dads playing with the younger edgier brother
vale pine
but we got some nice bugfixes, so its not all bad
swift tinsel
oh for sure, plus tier sets are usually a diff team arent they
at least the design portion
idk who's in charge of fixing them
but yeah, bugfixes are cool. would be nice if they get dn before it hits live but what we've got has been nice too
thin sapphire
How are we looking in general for next season? I have heard mixed reviews.
whole lagoon
not sure how you are supposed to know with a borked set
thin sapphire
yea thats fair
swift tinsel
cooldown windows will play the same
vale pine
How are we looking in general for next season? I have heard mixed reviews.
raid is goblin themed, so we probably look somewhat goblin tech-y
swift tinsel
between them is up in the air for now but likely just rupture/snd as finisher between dances
vale pine
if you ask for balance, come back once the raid is live
uneven scarab
Cant wait to be outlaw and spam snd
uneven scarab
well they probably do but i meant old outlaw
spamming snd when you had nothing else to press
I dont mind being degen tho
if the damage in dance is worth it
whole lagoon
can anyone link a deathstalker raid build? by chance pretty please
swift tinsel
My only real concern is forgetting during the short between-dance spot in flag/blades but I can ez WA that until the muscle memory is there
whole lagoon
damn i just got gotten by the bot for calling myself slow
whole lagoon
yeah pins is my friend sorry got it
vale pine
all fine
kind bluff
So is the tier set saying we would get 20 stacks during dance equaling 60% finisher dmg and 120% shadow dmg?
kind bluff
Ah just doubles rate of gain
kind bluff
Got it
hazy breach
30% and 60% is fairly high anyway
kind bluff
I was about to be like wtf
hazy breach
Sectech damage about to go through the roof
void hound
nooooo dont nerf its so sexy ahh
kind bluff
I love the big burst windows play style
void hound
if we are gonna rupture all the time outside dance at least make sectec go boom
swift tinsel
It will still go boom with 20% and 40% damage lol
void hound
but... š„ŗ
swift tinsel
plus we lose a whole cast of sectech if we don't send without dance
between flag/blades windows
void hound
thats cringe i guess
restive venture
How does sub feel after the anniversary patch? I dropped the game before it dropped. Is it more fluid?
swift tinsel
which is why I've been campaigning to tie it to sod instead
void hound
the "squeeze in extra sectec" playstyle currently is a lot of fun
void hound
How does sub feel after the anniversary patch? I dropped the game before it drop...
its good
(aside from deathstalker)
lilac stag
have fun playing ruptre repeater outside of dance if they dont improve the tier
uneven scarab
Im gonna rupture so hard
swift tinsel
if they fix it to be per-cast then sending a finisher or two won't be nearly as risky but the buffs are too strong imo
to risk ever dropping
lilac stag
gonna be ophra, you get a rupture, you get a rupture, YOU get a rupter... can I SecTech yet?
swift tinsel
read through all the melee sets and its almost the same as unholy dk which gets guaranteed max stacks when they hit their triggering cooldown
and if ours was like that it would be so much healthier for gameplay both during and outside of cooldowns
lilac stag
we only know sweaty game play
haughty mural
You will for sure stay spear in s2 ?
haughty mural
i wish i could commit there as hard as you do
lilac stag
im rarely greedy with toon swapping, I may this tier
haughty mural
somehow its the thanos quote with me
uneven scarab
No one ever wants to rogue in My guild, meanwhile we had 4 hunters last tier
haughty mural
somehow its the thanos quote with me
just with the sub symbol as his head
lilac stag
633 shaman/mage. 627 me. kekw. got told dont be bad at start of it
uneven scarab
Yuge
haughty mural
whole lagoon
thats not a rogue
haughty mural
keen dome
Hell yeah dinosaur
lilac stag
Hell yeah dinosaur
lilac stag
No one ever wants to rogue in My guild, meanwhile we had 4 hunters last tier
we started with 4 in 11.0. we have 2, one is RL and one is swapping to presvoker. we had two rogues, we both wanted off. one went warrior and well.. bomba time
whole lagoon
I have to poop
lilac stag
I almost got Quake to play with us, but timing just missed working out
we have 4 mages right now. lol
swift tinsel
Lol I was our mage for prog
lilac stag
our casters would have a heartattack without int
uneven scarab
Ye our ele sham was dying for one forever
lilac stag
meanwhile weve missed shout/monk buff multiple bosses
uneven scarab
but i think weāre getting a prot warrior tank
swift tinsel
We've got a prot tank I think
slate lantern
My shitty guild has one guy who plays lock/mage and we have to choose which one we want cause no one else plays them lolol
uneven scarab
always have sham buff tho 
swift tinsel
our tanks kinda swap in and out, I think we had a vdh, bear, and two warrs last season
lilac stag
running arms on Queen prog. what's hilarious is we went from asking for shout every wipe to never asking for it
uneven scarab
Everyone and their mom wants to play it
uneven scarab
running arms on Queen prog. what's hilarious is we went from asking for shout e...
God if i wasnt playing rogue id 100% be on arms
Love that spec
lilac stag
our shaman fall asleep with buffs
swift tinsel
we might be down to just our enh next season, our resto sham is out and I think our ele might be swapping
lilac stag
i started queen prog as fury, but we need more st. happy to go back to arms
swift tinsel
arms is super fun for sure
lilac stag
just worried about going splat
swift tinsel
ye
swift tinsel
crazy squishy
uneven scarab
colossus rage gen is so bad
swift tinsel
unless you can parry you're dead
dry plank
spamming snd when you had nothing else to press
Yeah top lvl design from blizzard. Lets continue. Rupture outside cd for sub and garrote once per 6 sec for assa just to make degen playstyle a rogue feature
uneven scarab
Yeah top lvl design from blizzard. Lets continue. Rupture outside cd for sub and...
I mean tbf
swift tinsel
used to be so tanky bc of IP to burn rage
lilac stag
at least you wont let rupture drop during dance
uneven scarab
Yeah also true, youll never have less than like 20 seconds on rupture duration 
dry plank
My shitty guild has one guy who plays lock/mage and we have to choose which one ...
My rl told me that we have 4 trials as rogue if I want to reroll. I was like WHAT?
uneven scarab
My rl told me that we have 4 trials as rogue if I want to reroll. I was like WHA...
Where tf u get 4 people that actually WANT to play rogue
all assa players im guessing?
dry plank
No idea
lilac stag
end of season WCL will do that when all three of your specs are topping raid
lilac stag
they'll learn
uneven scarab
uneven scarab
used to be so tanky bc of IP to burn rage
I so miss rage dumping on ip
when it fed into tactician
lilac stag
yea
uneven scarab
honestly found that gameplay really fun
swift tinsel
Felt nice being immortal lol
lilac stag
Felt nice being immortal lol
i mean... sub
lilac stag
if you're not last one standing you fucked up
uneven scarab
100%
swift tinsel
i mean... sub
Compared to non-IP spamming arms lol
uneven scarab
Dying after tanks really gives you a massive dopamine hit
swift tinsel
yeah sub is a livelord spec
uneven scarab
Such a crazy difference in keys too
assa just gets one shot by stuff you dont even need to feint
lilac stag
some how my hunter has 400k more health 6 ilvls lower than my arms warrior setup
uneven scarab
My warrior at 615 had over a million less hp than my hunter friend at like 635
Maybe even lower
shits just crazy man
ember hound
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
swift tinsel
don't hunters get +% hp in their class tree
swift tinsel
uneven scarab
Its okay that 10% armor that arms gets is so huge 
uneven scarab
Yep
Like armored to the teeth is a cool talent
but bro
What is that armor doing
actually
lilac stag
tenacity pet is another 5% health
swift tinsel
pure beef
uneven scarab
So many dogshit talents in there
lilac stag
Yep
lilac stag
What is that armor doing
Leg armor enchant is like.5% dps upgrade. lol
wind canopy
Huh?
vestal escarp
let him cook
prisma void
lol
wind canopy
Gonna need a bit more detail than just "Doing less damage." Are you using your CDs on CD? Are you saving two dances/SoD per Flag/SB?
vestal escarp
gon on bro, share your feelings, unironically
swift tinsel
yeah if you're not using your cd's as much as you can you're leaving tons of damage on the table
bc that's where 99% of our damage is lol
sick jackal
No one ever wants to rogue in My guild, meanwhile we had 4 hunters last tier
if your eu i can come i literally cant play anything else
wind canopy
It is. You're not suppose to have like 90% uptime on Dance like you did in SL.
vestal escarp
uneven scarab
if your eu i can come i literally cant play anything else
Nah im NA
also the only person who plays rogue in our guild
sick jackal
Nah im NA
fk my guild disbanded for the season with queen on 40%
i am tilted
was gonna be my first CE
uneven scarab
Im just playing casual rn last CE i did was nathria
sick jackal
tbh i am at the point of thiking if CE isnt worth it
might not raid anymore and just push keys
uneven scarab
Fr
lilac stag
Why is SD not 90%
uneven scarab
assa doing its normal opener without cdās does more damage than us in dance + sod
lilac stag
Uptime
uneven scarab
lilac stag
uneven scarab
Because it aint sl anymore
prisma void
cba living in this reality
lilac stag
Sub isnāt trash. Itās just not can do everything but boss dmg in keys assa near meta spec
prisma void
š¦
lilac stag
Play it for more than 2 keys and learn the spec.
If you donāt like the spec thatās also fine
lilac stag
deathstalker is trash.
lilac stag
I die a little on the inside every time someone asks for DS talent load out.
prisma void
seems good next tier tho
uneven scarab
I really wanna know the dif between the two hero talents
With the tier actually working
uneven scarab
Doubt
lilac stag
the fuc are you smoking?
uneven scarab
When even more damage is being put in dance
lilac stag
please share
uneven scarab
I highly doubt that brother
jolly pasture
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
lilac stag
Dude should be playing fury warrior
uneven scarab
hazy breach
Sub is unironically strong in keys
Its just hard to play because if you fuck up your dps will get inted
Its weaker than assa, but not by much. More like 5% worse
lilac stag
SL subā¦ I smell a havoc DH main.
hazy breach
It feels great to play 
uneven scarab
it feels amazing to play!
lilac stag
If itās not fun donāt play it. Trickster sub is the best the spec feedback loop wise since dfa sub
wind canopy
It requires a tad bit more thinking than sin.
uneven scarab
You gotta plan your cdās ahead of time
wind canopy
Yep
Again, you need to setup for your big burst, so can't just be firing Dance/SoD willy nilly
hazy breach
It requires a tad bit more thinking than sin.
A cooldown reliant spec relies more on knowing the route than a non-cd spec? Noway
wind canopy
A cooldown reliant spec relies more on knowing the route than a non-cd spec? Now...
IKR
hazy breach
Ive done 16s
lilac stag
enjoy a single braincell spec. Itās ok.
lilac stag
Assa isnāt real meta
prisma void
outside of hs'ing for last boss
uneven scarab
its just the best rogue spec rn
pliant topaz
https://tenor.com/view/momo-ayase-dandadan-absolute-cinema-anime-meme-gif-939663...
im stealing this
lilac stag
im stealing this
I thought of you while posting
pliant topaz
understandable tbh
i just wish i could post this in league chat
unlucky
they gotta add shitposting functionality in there
uneven scarab
Dude fr
lilac stag
Hah
pliant topaz
you just start a meme war, enemy too busy shitposting instead of farming. ez C1
slate lantern
"your spec is bad because other specs are tuned higher" BIG IF TRUE
lilac stag
Ive done 16s <:shrugeg:1115674346120294591>
Little does he know you could out dps him playing sub or assa.
slate lantern
"your spec is bad because im playing it bad" ALSO BIG IF ALSO TRUE
prisma void
on equal skill level assa will outdps
prisma void
yes it means this spec is undertuned
uneven scarab
but its not
lilac stag
Find a second braincell in your cranium. Donāt be so jelly of friends
hexed sluice
I fell asleep playing assa.
Meanwhile trickster sub is just plain fun and enjoyable to play in all content
uneven scarab
I fell asleep playing assa.
Meanwhile trickster sub is just plain fun and enjoy...
You get it
hexed sluice
Espcially solo content, sub is just decades ahead of assa which falls over like a wet noodle, while as Sub Im sweeping through level 11 delves in sub 5 minutes.
hazy breach
Time to chill out
hexed sluice
why are you crying so damn hard. what kind of emotional insufficiency it fills in your life to attack a spec on random chatbox lmao
wind canopy
People be weird
uneven scarab
Yeah idk
thereās obviously good and bad things about every rogue spec
But just plain stating a spec sucks when you have no idea what youāre talking about is asking for it
hexed sluice
I feel like Omi is at my door trying to sell me something I dont want ( to play assa)
lilac stag
Sorry. I have so many tears running down my face from all of this.
slate lantern
based on what
prisma void
has 0 contribution to the chat other then ''you are stupid''
lilac stag
I told your ass to try it for me than two keys before losing your shit. And if itās not fun donāt play it.
wind canopy
prisma void
aight gn folks
uneven scarab
Okay and you came in here claiming this spec sucks and we should play assa
What does that contribute?
lilac stag
uneven scarab
I wish i knew
vale pine
all 3 specs are good even tho people might prefere one over the other
lilac stag
shadowlands Sub is what it is
uneven scarab
ye thats what we were trying to say 
vale pine
e.g. i personally would not play outlaw over the other 2
too high apm
^ outlaw pov
lilac stag
I was just trying to go shopping and buy my $13 eggs
vale pine
I was just trying to go shopping and buy my $13 eggs
probably cheaper to buy a chicken and feed it for fresh eggs
swift tinsel
I get mine from friends
uneven scarab
wind canopy
Just weird when people come in, be like "This spec sucks", doesn't ask for any real help or provide any real feedback, then starts throwing out "Try outDPS'ing me when I play spec X with your spec in a low key"
uneven scarab
Actually true
swift tinsel
they just give em away bc they lay so much
lilac stag
probably cheaper to buy a chicken and feed it for fresh eggs
I canāt where we live or I would.
uneven scarab
Just weird when people come in, be like "This spec sucks", doesn't ask for any r...
Yeah really weird behavior lol
i dont understand it
swift tinsel
half the folks that live outside the suburbs/city have chickens here lol
keen dome
Chickens make really good pets.
vale pine
Chickens make really good pets.
taste good too ^^
swift tinsel
I had one lay on my lap and fall asleep for the first time a couple of months ago, I wanted to keep it
lilac stag
Next property will have chickens. Maybe sheep.
swift tinsel
watching them carve pumpkins is funny too
slate lantern
Yeah really weird behavior lol
this started out better in my head
swift tinsel
this started out better in my head
savings this lol
uneven scarab
this started out better in my head
LMFAO
vestal escarp
lilac stag
Meta
uneven scarab
We must be some pretty good ninjaās, dont even show up in the rankings
lilac stag
people just need to play what they enjoy, except deathstalker sub. fuck dem kids
uneven scarab
Nah make em play trickster outlaw
lilac stag
We need Fatebound sub
lilac stag
Make it happen realz
vestal escarp
bozos jumping the poor new guy spitting facts 
uneven scarab
Wonder how much they are at this store rn
lilac stag
Someone stole 100k eggs in PA
lilac stag
There was a video of Costco dropping a pallet of their 48packs. Folks had furniture size push carts loading up.
keen dome
He's making the mother of all omelettes, here.
lilac stag
I imagine Deeny doing it
And exactly that happening
wonder if heās still at target
uneven scarab
swift tinsel
No one even goes through that many eggs whats the point lol
wind canopy
To sell them š
keen dome
I could totally eat that many eggs.
lilac stag
Restaurants
swift tinsel
nah we get them cheaper through vendors
lilac stag
Costco at least ends up being a supplier for a lot of small business.
That canāt do vendors
swift tinsel
I think Aldi does that for some of the places around here since we don't have a costco
lilac stag
likely.
uneven scarab
Stop n shop on the east coast does that as well
lilac stag
Out aldi was out of eggs
swift tinsel
Oof
clever delta
I guees better late than never
swift tinsel
they're like $6 at the one here for a dozen
steel zinc
I guees better late than never
Just get good vault
swift tinsel
Same
lilac stag
they're like $6 at the one here for a dozen
a lot depends on how local farms are and if they got fucked by flu
swift tinsel
plus its the best one I have besides circlet lol
uneven scarab
yeah same lmao
swift tinsel
Makes sense, I'm in a mid-sized Wisconsin city so we have tons of access
lilac stag
some of the raw dog foods for example are impossible to get right now
swift tinsel
I can imagine
lilac stag
hunting dogs legit getting sick from retrieving.
uneven scarab
oh yeah where im at alot of the shelved dog foods are straight sold out
we been ordering it online
lilac stag
I think this timeline was supposed to get pruned.
uneven scarab
swift tinsel
Lmao I buy it
uneven scarab
youāre def on to somethin
slate lantern
Makes sense, I'm in a mid-sized Wisconsin city so we have tons of access
I went to school in Madison, good times
uneven scarab
Never in my life did i expect to see a second trump term
lilac stag
I never expected one
swift tinsel
I went to school in Madison, good times
Ah nice, both my siblings went there lol
uneven scarab
I never expected one
Exactly
lilac stag
Remember when an actor was controversial?
lilac stag
now we have President musk
swift tinsel
laughs in Iran-Contra
keen dome
I wish we could go back to the race between a lettuce and the PM..
lilac stag
We need more green plumbers.
keen dome
At least that was funny
uneven scarab
The biggest controversy we had before trump was that obama was from hawaii
Now we have a convict president
lilac stag
I miss him
keen dome
I don't think it was but. Those were diffrent times.
uneven scarab
Dont we all
tulip gorge
I will not be baited by the sub chat into discussing politics again
uneven scarab
What else will we do
lilac stag
Just bring up deathstalker
uneven scarab
Talk about our tier set that doesnt work
lilac stag
Or how much better assa is
tulip gorge
what is that deathstalker fix all about btw