subtlety

[tribal blade]

yeah true

[tulip gorge]

is black powder a recent thing?

[barren wolf]

yes

[tulip gorge]

interesting

[tribal blade]

since shadowlands

[tulip gorge]

I thought they always had it

[barren wolf]

should've kept the jumping in air ability

that wouldve been funny

[tribal blade]

nah sub used to have literally no aoe finisher

just evis

and death from above for a while

[tulip gorge]

that sounds awful ngl

[tribal blade]

but monster funnel

[barren wolf]

it was the prio spec

so yeah

[tribal blade]

the funnel was so crazy strong they bricked sub for the entire of bfa

just because of 1 raid boss

[barren wolf]

sorry, that was cause of me

[keen dome]

damn

[barren wolf]

i never played sub and got a 80 log on zul

on 30 fps

[keen dome]

can't believe you made BfA so bad for me

we're enemies now

[tribal blade]

i'll never forgive blizz for how they handled sub in bfa

[keen dome]

same

[tribal blade]

those were dark days

[keen dome]

It's less the removal of combo and more the silence and lack of anything to fix the hole.

[barren wolf]

i think its a lesson they learned. they used to never touch specs with big changes mid expansion but now they do it all the time

[keen dome]

It also came in last minute (Wasn't on PTR, etc iirc)

So just BLAM, gone.

And then they nerfed Zul a few days later

[alpine wraith]

the best one is they also had 2 another outs

introduced replicating it was super good and awesome

proceed to kill it before it even hits live

create echoing blades for sub/assa

delete sub part

??¿¿ make first dance make it give worst stat and also nerf the stacking by like 60%

[vale pine]

echoing was only sub

from labeling

thats why we assumed it was for both

but turned out, they did only want it for assassination

with the irony being that it was extremely op, but people loved to play ttk instead

[barren wolf]

i liked playing 3x SS

felt best for me

i was pure feel crafting

[keen dome]

Can't wait to see what they cook up for Midnight and if it's just purple coup de grace

[round latch]

i miss akari's in pvp

infinite cps

smoking priest and shamans and hunters before they can trinket

[vale pine]

still 2 major patches till midnight

[keen dome]

Ye, truth

But I'm betting we'll get 'void corrupted' hero talent variants.

Which'll just add a twist to existing talents. Easy way to expand them thematically while keeping core gameplay consistent. And adding fun stuff on top.

Or in Sub's case coup is now purple

[barren wolf]

deathstalker is purple

thats literally the whole theme

purple

[keen dome]

Deathstalker becomes light-theme'd

bam, I'm on a roll.

[frank musk]

Deathstalkers new mechanic will involve beating Death at a card game that changes the rules every 30 seconds.

[keen dome]

Haha, hell yeah

[alpine wraith]

and then you get parried

[frank musk]

And then you say 'Nope the parry can not parry me because i have the heart of the cards' and you ignore the parry defence entirely.

[barren wolf]

erm, you swap to trickster and cant get parried

[frank musk]

As a famous deathstalker once said 'i always win, thats how the game works'

[barren wolf]

what the shrigma

[frank musk]

Now you get it.

😉

[barren wolf]

oh yeah i can get it

[frank musk]

The true trickery of trickster, is that you aint a deathstalker getting parried

[keen dome]

They should bake the no parry thing into Rogue and have it be our utiltiy

It's cool

Rogue's Cunning: +5% Crit to the entire group and melee strikes and abilities can no longer be parried.

[barren wolf]

5% crit is quite a fuckload

[keen dome]

Passive aura buff

Yeah I pulled the numbers outta my ass 😄

Frankly you could just have it be "Melee strikes and abilities can no longer be parried" and it'd be a huge DPS increase for everybody with melee stuff regardless of statting

But i like the stat on top

I guess versatiltiy would make more sense, but that's the druid thing

I suppose because it's Cunning.. "+2% to your highest secondary stat and <the parry thing>" might make more sense.

More flexible. More thematic to the Rogue versatility. And easier to fit into any group because it's a bit of everything.

[barren wolf]

yea we have our raid buff so...

and yes for blizzard that is the raid buff

[keen dome]

[nocturne birch]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[odd sandal]

guys whats the reason to use shadow blades after shadow tech in ST and other way around in multi target?

[plush roost]

The initial hit of sec tec is amplified by ShB so in aoe the amp is worth it. If I had to guess

[hazy breach]

Shadow blades does not buff the clones from sectech

And the initial hit doesnt do that much, but it doesnt really matter if you use it before or after the sectech. The important part is that its after the strike

No idea why hes put it being different on aoe and ST though

[glacial hinge]

could be cuz of seconds? to make the other tech fit inside cd's?

since its another 2 gcd?

[hazy breach]

Theres no difference between aoe and st in that aspect

[crystal bone]

good question tam, i had wondered about that the other day

[odd sandal]

I will autopilot and cast it after then

Seems like it doesn't rlly matter unless we are missing smth

[void hound]

finally back home, how are the dev notes looking 🙂

[keen dome]

You get one guess.

[crystal bone]

[crystal bone]

do u watch GSL?

[fallow nimbus]

With this rate we won't even reach the 16 ptr notes

My prediction was too generous

[swift tinsel]

we're at what, 3 bullet points now?

2 of which were pvp things

[void hound]

starcraft? yeah i used to be a huge fan
watched code S on the shitty gomtv player back in the day

[crystal bone]

yea

u spell his name the same way

so i thought u might have lol

[hazy breach]

Cant be pre-dooming, gotta save the sacrastic doom comment for after the weekly notes been released

Theres plenty of opportunity anyway

[swift tinsel]

They haven't fixed tier sets yet bc they're redoing all of them

[alpine wraith]

and as always wonder how many sub rogues will be in testing

not me

kekw

[swift tinsel]

I will be just to check reset mechanics then donezo

[hazy breach]

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/no-score-judging-zero-gif-13779921

[alpine wraith]

nah there is always at least one or two

[void hound]

im precasting

[alpine wraith]

im fonting

[keen dome]

🙏

[sly shore]

SUB NOW HAS A TRINKET

😄

[foggy geode]

Do I wanna use or prio rupture with 'Supercharge' proc

[keen dome]

Outlaw's set got a (minor?) buff so maybe they also fixed the other two sets not working properly.

[leaden prairie]

its a massive nerf

[keen dome]

oh

[leaden prairie]

going from 25% chacne of proccing 5 buff to 9%

rest is unchanged

idk why the wording is so poorly written

[keen dome]

Well, they touched the set so maybe they actually made Sub's work

[leaden prairie]

but the example at the end explains it

[pliant topaz]

massive? like huge? like big? like woaaah that things ginormous? like gigabig?

[leaden prairie]

like there is no point to play sleight anymore, so the tier set is also irrelevant and useless

[vestal escarp]

Wuh wuh wuh what happened

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-no-one-cares-gif-18925814

[keen dome]

At least we have a trinket....

[kind bluff]

Trinket change is nice for us.

[patent crystal]

How does new trinket compare to transmitter?

[vestal escarp]

Huh

We got 90s skadryn

[sick jackal]

did we get any bug fixes?

[hybrid prism]

They took out the dash mechanic for coup lol

You now have to be in melee range to use it and the dash it removed

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's good

[vestal escarp]

Its for the better

[hybrid prism]

Agreed. I play and enjoy deathstalker, but when I had to play trickster that shit was annoying. It never killed me, but I sure as hell came close on queen a few times

[chrome palm]

Hope they do something about unseen blade. Its almost as annoying as old shadow techniques

Especially considering they just helped make sentinel easier to track, hopefully they do the same with unseen

[swift tinsel]

With thousand cuts idk how that would be functionally worth it

Bc you’d just have a timer resetting fairly frequently

[crisp lion]

Anyone know if tier set is working on ptr now?

[hazy breach]

I guess we have a trinket now and 2 min specs get stuck with the shitty priory one

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's a SUB season now.

suboptimal

I am curious at what iLevel House of Cards will surpass transmitter, but it does seem like a huge chunk of mastery

[hazy breach]

Having passive mastery with agi on-use wouldve been better for sure

[keen dome]

Yeah

[hazy breach]

But probably worth it as soon as you get it

[alpine wraith]

we are free from transmitter

im so happy

still in lantern hell tho

[keen dome]

Haha

[alpine wraith]

at least most hc passives are better than it

thx god 619m is max ilvl

[hazy breach]

Like ye transmitters minigame isnt unplayable, but it undeniably costs some mental bandwidth

[keen dome]

What was the mastery DR? 22k or something?

[hazy breach]

Since we cant expect any changes to our spec itself this is like the best change we couldve gotten

[pliant topaz]

damn

bros given up the dream

[wind canopy]

Eleem

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

in retirement

[lilac stag]

We got asked specs for next season. Warrior / SV. 🙏🏻

[swift tinsel]

Yeah we’re getting the spreadsheet link soon lol

I think like 1/3 of our raid team isn’t coming back

[hexed sluice]

House of cards from the raid or a dungeon?

[lilac stag]

I’d bounce of the raid didn’t look so fun

[alpine wraith]

from raid

[hexed sluice]

Bless

[uneven scarab]

Sub trinket exists

[keen dome]

From the slot machine boss iirc

[uneven scarab]

We hype

[hexed sluice]

Maybe my raid will actually see it on heroic this season

[alpine wraith]

also eye of kezan buffed for us Eye of Kezan, Mug’s Moxie Jug, and Reverb Radio should trigger more consistently across all talent specializations.

it was proccing like ass for sub

[hexed sluice]

Im still rocking a champ track transmitter and it was a warbound drop from heroic on my resto shaman :C

[alpine wraith]

although it seems another smolderon trink situation

[fallow nimbus]

what if we all play trickster in the first weeks of 11.1 and deathstalker gets another round of buffs? we may play miserable but dmg is over the top

[keen dome]

What if we do the reverse?

Just get everone to play DS.

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-think-meme-intelligence-common-sense-gif-8946867

[fallow nimbus]

and get trickster buffs, that's smart

[lilac stag]

Just play assa

Or outlaw

[keen dome]

Haha

[lilac stag]

55% BP buff week 2

[uneven scarab]

[fallow nimbus]

it it doesn't happen in 11.x then it will happen with midnight

bp>eviscerate in all scenarios

[lilac stag]

Nah. Just removing evicerate to help with button bloat.

[bright sundial]

then they remove it in the last titan

[fallow nimbus]

eviscerate, yes

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-gif-19663229

[uneven scarab]

Honestly just delete bp and evis

Storm and strike only

Generator only

[lilac stag]

Keep rupture up

Duh

[bright sundial]

also ST bye bye

[lilac stag]

Good riddance

[fallow nimbus]

rupture spam soon is just the first step

[lilac stag]

Since assa isn’t a dot spec any more. Let sub go full dot bitch

[keen dome]

Haha

[kind bluff]

We should only use shuriken storm. No other buttons

[uneven scarab]

Yeah lets go full rupture

everything applies rupture

[lilac stag]

Except RS

Cause it’s bugged

[uneven scarab]

Rs actually adds -20% shadow damage too

[lilac stag]

gloom blade rupture gameplay

Do it realz

[keen dome]

gloom blade! purple backstab! let's go!

[bright sundial]

join me my fellow subs we prepare and advance to tomorrow

oh had did that rascel 1 get there

[hollow spear]

Words in the Enhancement Shaman notes: 2.180
Words in the total Rogue notes: 89

[uneven scarab]

[uneven scarab]

Bro the mage notes are so long even if u zoom out its still bigger than the entire screen

[keen dome]

Someday that'll be us.

Because they'll use size 200 text

[uneven scarab]

true

[dry plank]

What notes? New changes or what?

[uneven scarab]

It’ll be like 4 words

In size 200 font

There was ptr notes

[molten citrus]

ye, on wowhead

(no rogue changes again)

[alpine wraith]

yea some outlaw krangled changes

you might want to see the reactions

[uneven scarab]

It’s quite priceless in there

[molten citrus]

looks like a net nerf on sleight and their tier? dunno

[alpine wraith]

tier was and still is omegaweak

if it even worked correctly

[molten citrus]

it seemed kinda good

actually

5roll chance was very high

[alpine wraith]

the problem was if you are unlucky you stay with 1 buff for a long time

maybe some changes fix it

[molten citrus]

ye well the 2rolls weren't working properly

[uneven scarab]

It went from a 25% chance to a 9%

Pretty huge nerf tbh

[ebon oyster]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[hazy breach]

Anybody check if the tier works yet

[vale pine]

expected

[alpine wraith]

didnt log in yet

[molten citrus]

[vale pine]

not on pc, can test tomorrow

[swift tinsel]

Can test in a couple hours

[blazing flax]

Looking at streams it Looks Like its working

[hollow spear]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

who is streaming it?

sure enough it looks like its dropping

Gramhehe pov on twitch

[chrome palm]

The tier now removes winning streak

i dunno if it increases shadow damage thio

[swift tinsel]

baby steps

[haughty mural]

trinket is all we got and all we need

[molten citrus]

oh did they change a trinket to 1.5?

[haughty mural]

ye
house of cards

[uneven scarab]

Yeee

We have a trinket now

[hazy breach]

And assa doesnt get it

[molten citrus]

which one is that

[uneven scarab]

Good

[swift tinsel]

mastery on use

[hazy breach]

mastery on-use

[molten citrus]

:O

[swift tinsel]

that adds more mastery every time you use it

[molten citrus]

pog

that should be quite good

[swift tinsel]

of all trinkets to do it to I'm happy its that one

now we just gotta get them to swap the static and on-use stats

[keen dome]

That'd be nice, hell yeah

[swift tinsel]

orrrr make it mastery %

hitting dr territory otherwise but still a nice gain

[uneven scarab]

Our mastery next tier gonna be absolutely fucked

no doubt lmfao

[swift tinsel]

just pure vers gaming

[uneven scarab]

Already have so much mastery this tier

[haughty mural]

only fair

they got skardyns

[swift tinsel]

plus if we're running energy drink

passive mastery procs

kezan is static mastery, azerokk mastery proc

we swimmin

[hazy breach]

Ok so they fixed it so stacks now fall off

But it still doesnt amp our shadow damage

[uneven scarab]

[hazy breach]

Correction, assa still probably uses it because

Because house of cards even when low rolled gives a fair bit more than the priory trinket/skardyn

[uneven scarab]

balanced

[alpine wraith]

yea and it stacks

priory is funny it stacks with the group

but who cares about group dps and the value is not even super high

[uneven scarab]

Bro double stacking icon and chromatic essence in s4 df

[wind canopy]

Looks like a couple of people are testing sub in tettles's stream

[uneven scarab]

With the group

Was a blast

[hazy breach]

Its still less than house of cards

Even if you have 4 allies using it

[alpine wraith]

yep

imagine running numbers at blizz

[hazy breach]

They purposefully make raid trinkets stronger though, but idk how much stronger theyre aiming for

[alpine wraith]

idk eye of kezan and some actives are strong well not like the old days

but i think those are a bygone era

even spymaster's seems tame in comparison

[swift tinsel]

ah grieftorch

[uneven scarab]

Comparison to what?

Wtf could be stronger than spymasters

[hazy breach]

50% of all trinkets in dragonflight

[uneven scarab]

Well ya true

i thought he meant rn

[edgy zenith]

I hope they fix this but not allow it to interact with Dark Brew

[swift tinsel]

678 is the new max myth track right

[hazy breach]

What

[hazy breach]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

ty ty

[edgy zenith]

If I have to run Dark Brew, I’m ending it

[hazy breach]

Ofc it should work with dark brew

[edgy zenith]

No thanks 🙂

[uneven scarab]

Embrace the shadow

[edgy zenith]

Mandatory Dark brew because of a tier set sounds awful

[uneven scarab]

we are zed now

[hazy breach]

Why

[edgy zenith]

Bc Dark Brew means no 3 symbols

[hazy breach]

Just play 2

[edgy zenith]

Dark Brew side of tree is cursed

No

[alpine wraith]

look at things like hollow toxin or assurance of consecuence

or soul cap

hell even coral font etc

trinkets used to be WAO MAN LETS GOOO

now it is like

oh nice 5%

[uneven scarab]

oh well yeah

[alpine wraith]

same as embellish

[uneven scarab]

Trinkets were so much more of ur power

True

Embel so bad now

I havent even crafted one on my dk alt lmao

[fallow nimbus]

wasn't that 2min before?

[keen dome]

Yeah, they changed it today

[uneven scarab]

Ye they changed it

Its huge

We gaming

[keen dome]

Celebrate the Sub changes.

[uneven scarab]

^^

[lilac stag]

Watch it go live at 2 minutes

[uneven scarab]

Holy

Ill end it all

[keen dome]

lmao, I'd be so unsurprised if it did

I'm still expecting a load of hotfixes to be broken again (and hoping to be proven wrong)

[lilac stag]

My expectation of them keeping changes logged correctly is so low

[uneven scarab]

Undermine comes out an they release the wrong version again xD

[lilac stag]

But that would be the most sub rogue change without being a rogue change

[alpine wraith]

imagine they push the vers with coup dash

CINEMA

[solemn creek]

Is sub tier bonus working in ptr now 😅

[uneven scarab]

amp not working still

[solemn creek]

😦

5 more week to go

Or more

[swift tinsel]

SoonTM

[hazy breach]

Its now possible to lose the stacks like intended though

-1 bug

[stiff spear]

wow

[swift tinsel]

A win is a win

Has anyone checked how coup affects it?

[hazy breach]

I have not checked if coup is per hit or per cast no

Seems annoying to get conclusive data on

[lucid jackal]

I thought ppl said there wasnt a new 1:30 trinket

Isnt this 1:30

[hazy breach]

It was 2 min until today

[lucid jackal]

Ah

are we back!?

Sub szn

[wind canopy]

[vestal escarp]

Perfect for raid logging

[hollow spear]

which boss drops this?

[keen dome]

The slot machine one

[hollow spear]

is that early or late in the raid?

[teal prawn]

Sub season wooo

[twilit phoenix]

just came in here to shitpost about that trinket change

hella pog

probs still not as good as a main stat tho?

[pliant topaz]

no, but also better than what sub had so isa win

[alpine wraith]

yea ideally would be whatever stat then use agi

but beggars cant be choosers

[hollow spear]

mastery is almost on par with agi for me

the agi values on transmitter are kinda absurd

[pliant topaz]

i remember the first iteration of transmitter

now that.... that was pure aids

[lucid jackal]

Mitter also is a cringe trinket, mitter also has haste as a baseline stat on it

[uneven scarab]

what was first iteration…..

[uneven scarab]

facts

[lucid jackal]

If nothing else, this is "something" that isnt mitter at high ilvls

[pliant topaz]

it wasnt an on use trinket

[uneven scarab]

[pliant topaz]

taking actions gave u a stack

at 10 stacks u would then get the task u do now

[uneven scarab]

That sounds

Terrible…..

[pliant topaz]

its rppm was about one stack every 6 seconds

so roughly every minute

[hollow spear]

"please focus the add" - "nah, sorry I am busy jumping/chasing an orb"

[pliant topaz]

so imaigne, on queen, u would almost gaurantee get it at the end of intermission

u also could never get it on the opener

it was just an anomoly of dogshit

[hollow spear]

the baseline stat is cringe for sure

but the trade off is worth

[twilit phoenix]

yeah I'm defs not shitting and pissing in my pants about losing transmitter

that shit kills my boner everytime

sub tier would be pog for sure

[hazy breach]

I agree, but tbf most of this tier was sub as well

[uneven scarab]

true

[vestal escarp]

Depends on povs imo

A lot of rogues progged as sin

At different levels

[uneven scarab]

sin was easily the m+ king but idk prog as sub felt pretty damn good to me

[vestal escarp]

It did for sure i wasnt denying that

[uneven scarab]

i do think theres def more raid bosses where sin just makes perfect sense though

i do see that

[hazy breach]

Ye later on especially

But the tankiness for sub is neat

[uneven scarab]

yeah for sure

feels good

[hollow spear]

Yeah it's more or less 15% dr + another 10% during dance

[hazy breach]

And 8% more healing taking

[hollow spear]

Also

Sub cooldowns feel better on queen

[uneven scarab]

sub p1 on queen

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[hollow spear]

Deathmark feels bad in p2

[vestal escarp]

Design wise sin is nowhere near the days of not being a choice for M raid

And sub is sub so there'll always be sin raiders in M

[hazy breach]

If theres an important execute sin could see more use

[vestal escarp]

Since it attracts less players

Yeah not to talk about niches

[hazy breach]

But they usually stray away from phases having independant damage nowadays

[pliant topaz]

when was the last time an important execute happened? just sire?

[foggy geode]

Btw does Fatal Intent snapshot should I save dance+symbol when it procs?

[pliant topaz]

bro that thing does 5 damage

ignore it

[foggy geode]

Alright

[hazy breach]

Technically rasz but it wasnt really

[pliant topaz]

oh yeah i guess pre nerf unkillable raz

but yeah they turbo nerfd it week 1

[hollow spear]

I mean

Sin still giga performs on rash

[upper narwhal]

House of Cards change on PTR is good for us yeah?

[hazy breach]

Yes

Weekly PTR update

• House of Cards cooldown reduced to 1.5 minutes (was 2 minutes), duration reduced to 15 seconds (was 20 seconds), and reduced variance of potential Mastery to ±10% (was 15%).
```Source: [> Click here! <](<https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-ptr-development-notes-for-1-23-d-r-i-v-e-tier-set-and-class-changes-366223?utm_source=discord-webhook>)

There is now a 90 second cooldown trinket for us to use, which means we probably wont use transmitter for the entire patch. Very cool.
No other changes though and tier set is still bugged, see y'all next week for another line of change!

[hybrid prism]

thanks @hazy breach

doing God's work

[lucid jackal]

Dude I'm having so much fun on rogue rn

Like I think its fair to complain

[hybrid prism]

sub is really fun

imo

[lucid jackal]

about the lack of attention, bugs, small/large things depending on how dramatic you want to be (not meant to be flame)

But man rogue is just fun

[hybrid prism]

also, I cannot wait until we can stop using transmitter

[hazy breach]

Besides deathstalker in aoe ye i agree with you guy

[lucid jackal]

Sub rn for me is like, near perfect form

[hybrid prism]

agreed

you guys are looking at the rank 4 sub rogue on Proudmoore. I'm kind of a big deal

well for m+

forgot to say that

[hazy breach]

My main complaints are about stuff that mostly raise the skill floor but doesnt raise the skill ceiling. Aka it just makes the spec harder to learn without much payoff

and/or quality of life, some of them could be described to be both ig

[hybrid prism]

Yeah. I honestly love it so much right now. It's what I've always wanted sub to be.

[alpine wraith]

yea i mean explaining people

hey dont evis outside danmce

is easy

but not everyone is looking for the info

[hybrid prism]

even aoe with bp right now i dont mind

are yall using bp out of dance instead of evis as trickster? whaaa

[hazy breach]

@lucid jackal Did you see the stupid ass deathstalker aoe gain we found a while ago

Its like a 6% gain to purposefully strike another target instead of consuming the last mark, since casting BPs is significantly more damage than DN eviscerate

[alpine wraith]

ahaha i hope he seeis it

so degen

basically you dont want to proc your capstone

[hazy breach]

And it also gives you more clear the witnesses procs

[alpine wraith]

because they buffed shadow and CTW so much

[hybrid prism]

like the one thing id change for sub is to make gloomblade baseline instead of backstab as our builder and put dark brew in that talent spot. Then replace dark brew with something new

[alpine wraith]

and also use bp

that also got buffed 3 times

[fallow nimbus]

simply having DN up, ability to generate marks and consuming DN only giving 3 marks if the target really has no marks should be the fix

[hazy breach]

Ye like how it worked for the first 3-4 weeks of the expansion

[fallow nimbus]

stacking infinite marks and every 3 marks consumed gives you DN

every mark adds +dmg

[vestal escarp]

So silly

Yeah lets just switch my priority target mid dance

[alpine wraith]

there is no prio target with bp on the mix

because singular focus is wank

and CTW hits like a truck

[vestal escarp]

End of season and i still struggle to understand why people hate pressing an evis thats stronger than combo in packs

[vestal escarp]

Singual does its damn job in points that matter

[hazy breach]

Because after the buffs to other things its not strong now (DN evis that is)

[alpine wraith]

if they also had buffed singular for sub

in that 75% buff thing they did

[vestal escarp]

Yeah they buffed the fixed plague dmg

Which only corrupt the blood could benefit singular dmg post buff

But corrupt the blood is a meme

[foggy geode]

Do you guys macro shadowblades+dance+symbol together or is that a bad idea

Been playing with them separately so far

[hazy breach]

You dont always press them at the exact same time

So no i would not recommend that

[lucid jackal]

LMFAO

[alpine wraith]

cool eh

also btw it gets better because it is uncapped dmg from CTW

[lucid jackal]

Kinda funny

[alpine wraith]

so at like 20 targets

you do so much more dmg

than actually proccing DN

only problem is if your target that you striked dies with mark

why? becacuse it PROCS DN AHAHAHA

proccing capstone dps loss kekw

[hazy breach]

Nowadays DN evis does about the same damage as BP does on 2.5 targets

[alpine wraith]

i'm still debating on telling it but idk

[twilit phoenix]

Do you prio CTW in dance or do you still strike?

[lucid jackal]

In aoe or st

[twilit phoenix]

St

[lucid jackal]

u only CTW when sod is down

[twilit phoenix]

Ah word so probs not in dance then

[lucid jackal]

so u end up not consuming a few procs thru a fight

[twilit phoenix]

Thanks for the sub advice mr outlaw

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/mills-cat-mills-cat-jam-kitty-gif-23650496

[alpine wraith]

you can use storm if you only need 2 cp to get to 5 or 7 if DN is up

with new tier set you do extra shadow dmg

so ctw hits harder than strike

[haughty mural]

Great

[fallow nimbus]

We need bp to consume DN, big aoe blaster

[small juniper]

what is DN?

[wind canopy]

[pliant topaz]

NP

[vestal escarp]

Wheres the mark going?

[swift tinsel]

Just got home, have things been figured out reset-wise?

Or is it Haptics Dummy Time

Stuff like coup reset, flat 15% vs stacked deck, each finisher having unique reset chance, etc

Happy to test any/all of these bc I have no life

[tepid trellis]

very different

[bleak wind]

better than s3/s4 though

[swift tinsel]

Coup is def per-hit, had 7 so far reset at different points of coup's damage events
no stacked deck, sent 13 evisc before a reset at one point

[clever delta]

Pushing house of cards to 90s make us very happy right

Since the other 90s is 🗑

[kind bluff]

It's deff not a bad thing.

[tribal blade]

where are THE SUB ROGUE DEV NOTES

AHHHHHHHH

[swift tinsel]

also I'm pretty sure SF has a sep chance to proc reset bc I talented out of it and I'm getting 0-1 resets per minute

[teal prawn]

In stealth

[swift tinsel]

of just building and spending with evisc

vs 3-5 resets per min with SF

[tribal blade]

need flare

shoot a bunch of flares out

[teal prawn]

Spectral sight should do it

[swift tinsel]

can go a full minute at 10 stacks outside of dance with no shadowed finishers

[wind canopy]

It's the trinket

[tribal blade]

that's not a sub rogue change

that's a change for 1.5 min specs

[wind canopy]

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/they're-the-same-themes-gif-13134378358950761776

wait what is this image I wanted picture not themes

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

there, now it's just dumb

and I look silly

thanks discord

[tribal blade]

haha

[swift tinsel]

Okay so running no shadowed finishers is kinda funny, I'm consistently going around a minute with no resets playing normal between-cd rotation

[tribal blade]

need more sub rogue specific changes

fix our shit

[swift tinsel]

Delete SF

[lilac stag]

DETELE Sub

[tribal blade]

but then you don't have shadow damage on evis during dance which interacts with the 4pc

mega cursed

[swift tinsel]

it doesn't anyways

bahaha

intentional

[tribal blade]

oh it doesn't?!

well

[swift tinsel]

shadow dmg amp still broken

on 4pc

but yeah its very much looking like a separate proc chance on the phys vs shadow hit of finishers

and coup is 100% per-hit vs per cast

so its a huge liability outside dance to send

unless its like

your first finisher after cd's and you're not gonna dance again for like 20-30 seconds

even then

also gone 10+ evisc casts before a reset on multiple occasions

all of these outside dance

[tribal blade]

rng be rng

[swift tinsel]

Gonna do more testing to see if its got a ppm

[tribal blade]

would be interesting if the resets had a ppm

[bleak wind]

I don't think holding coup for dance is that bad with the buffs to black powder, pretty sure you can just go back to what you did before and hold it, at least I do

[swift tinsel]

bc it's fairly consistently been 3 resets per minute

even when going bs - evisc

at low cp

sometimes 4 or 5 but mostly 3

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, its very likely gonna be worth it to hold

you'll lose the cdr

but it'll even out bc you'd need to not cast like...8 casts of coup or something like that over the course of a fight

[crystal bone]

hmm, does sub have execute?

[swift tinsel]

Nope

unless you count fatal intent, which you shouldn't

[crystal bone]

eww deathstalker :p

[bleak wind]

fatal intent can't execute a critter

[pliant topaz]

It is not. Eleem did a test where it was like 3% worse if u never evis’d ever I think.

We’ll optimize it once koji implements it.

Right now I think there were some insanely niche optimizations to bp for coup in flag that was like 0.2% gain even. But it’s niche enough that I never added it in

[molten citrus]

BP in ST?

[pliant topaz]

Yea

[molten citrus]

that sounds so incredibly cooked that it's intriguing

[pliant topaz]

Wanna know what’s actually cooked though?

[molten citrus]

do i

[pliant topaz]

I also found a 0.2-0.3% optimization to cancel aura finality to always finality darkest night.

[molten citrus]

i've been seeing memes of rupture-rupture-rupture-rupture being posted

[pliant topaz]

But that wasn’t something a human could do, and if u ever fucked it up once, it was a dps loss overall. So never added that one either

[molten citrus]

we already force it to line up in pvp too

but we just do it by casting rupture during our dance

[pliant topaz]

I found that during 10.2 beta. Where it was optimal
To spam 1-2 cp ruptures because of tier instead of building -> evis, after wishing I couldn’t speak, realz reworked rupture interaction
On tier

[molten citrus]

[swift tinsel]

inb4 they add rupture reset chance

[pliant topaz]

They might. It resets for sin

[swift tinsel]

It would be healthier if they did

[molten citrus]

it's crazy how bad things have gotten

[pliant topaz]

Idk if it would

It would just make a spec a ba rng fiesta

[molten citrus]

as far as degenarate gameplay optimizations go

[pliant topaz]

Unlike sin or many other specs, when u get this buff matters a lot more for sub

[bleak wind]

wait, 3% worse if you bp over coup?

[swift tinsel]

I would honestly take the rng over just hitting rupture or sitting at full cp/sht

from a gameplay perspective

[pliant topaz]

3% worse if you never evis ever and only bp. For Deathstalker I think or something idk

[swift tinsel]

as someone who legitimately doesn't like rng affecting my performance

[bleak wind]

aah

[molten citrus]

that's so cooked

[bleak wind]

tbh the coup thing I am kinda eyeballing it, if my dance is near I just hit black powder and hold coup for dance

[swift tinsel]

That's what happens when blizz doesn't get why people dont like DS so they turbo buff bp

[pliant topaz]

Thats a slight gain if u dont over bp

[molten citrus]

i pray we get new hero trees for midnight

they're so baad

[swift tinsel]

nah just replace ds

trickster is neat

[molten citrus]

trickster has it's faults

[swift tinsel]

or just don't

[molten citrus]

especially for outlaw

[bleak wind]

ye I would usually do it before adds/ damage amps like silken

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah, they can do whatever they want with outlaw

but plz don't take way trickster sub

[molten citrus]

holding coup for dance sounds degen

casting bp in st

it ALMOST sounds like a fun change

but very weird

[swift tinsel]

if BP primed your target for a big evisc maybe

like a laser target paint

then BOOM

or made your rupture tick harder/faster

[pliant topaz]

Idk everything’s about tuning. 20% bp buff and u do it over evis. 10%, and u bp in dance for dm stack

[swift tinsel]

always thought it'd be cool to have primer-detonator interaction between finishers

[pliant topaz]

It’s all whatever, up to the dev team to decide, now are they aware of the consequence of their tuning? Well…

[swift tinsel]

Lol

Well, we got a 1.5min agi on-use so I expect zero further changes to anything

come Midnight, maybe we get a little more

not much hope in either case lol

[pliant topaz]

[tribal blade]

i think it's highly unlikely rogue, and especially sub see much more major changes going into next tier

but i hope to be proven wrong

[swift tinsel]

Oh I have zero expectation of anything for the rest of the xpac, let alone next season

idek if I'm gonna play next season at this point, gonna wait until a little closer to release

[tribal blade]

sadly sub numbers might dwindle because of this

and then even less attention 🙂

[swift tinsel]

need to nuke like 75% of the talent tree from orbit and start again

[swift tinsel]

Bold to assume we’d get much in the first place lol

Subs just like a funky machine with mismatched gears that are missing teeth, so they grind and clank and don’t work sometimes but with just a bit of actual maintenance it’d run pretty smooth

Tried to do a full overhaul but left a bunch of loose bolts and shoved handfuls of random shit inside

[tribal blade]

ok i have a silver lining, the trinket we use next tier is INFINITELY easier than transmitter

[swift tinsel]

That part is stellar lol

[tribal blade]

it does have rng which sucks

[swift tinsel]

No mini games

[tribal blade]

but at least you just press the button

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, and the rng gets less impactful the more you use it

[tribal blade]

yeah exactly

[swift tinsel]

Did a little poking around in gear lists and we’re gonna have so much fucking mastery lol

[tribal blade]

but man it's gonna feel so good unequipping transmitter

not a bad thing 😉

[swift tinsel]

Nah I’m cool with it lol

Plays well with the tier set

Assuming it all works come launch

[tribal blade]

dw sub's dev time will be fixing all the tier set issues

[hazy breach]

Surely it will be fixed

[tribal blade]

imagine it's still broken going into the tier

sub gets compensation buffs

then they finally fix it and sub becomes bonkers

[hazy breach]

Like the shadow damage thing is gonna get fixed

But i wouldnt be surprised if it keeps getting removed by shadowed finishers

IE rolls the removal twice

Also 50/50 whether the shadow amp works on sectech even if they do fix it

[tribal blade]

that is so omega cursed

so it's basically a 30% chance per hit?

if that's how math works

[worn ivy]

i fianlly got the transmitter

today

[young path]

Finally got a damn 15 GB timed… without a decurse in the group to boot! (Whammy forgot to talent it)

So happy rn!

[worn ivy]

639

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach are you looking forward to people asking if they can macro house of cards to sectec next tier

[hazy breach]

Why would you macro it to sectech

And not blades

[tribal blade]

i dunno

although i assumed it would be best to press it right before sectec

[wind canopy]

He's technically right. People would be asking about doing it on ST before doing it on Blades

[lilac stag]

Do it with Lingering

[rocky ocean]

shadow lingerie

[hazy breach]

-(4) Set: While Shadow Dance is active, you cannot lose Winning Streak!```
Here is an accurate tooltip of what our new tier set does atm ![Surebud](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083827360815665235.webp?size=128 "Surebud")

Because the reset is tied to doing damage, not casting. So a BP on 5 targets have 10 rolls (5 hits+5 shadowed hits) with a 15% chance each to remove it

[short radish]

the fuck.

does it work the other way around?

[hazy breach]

Not sure what you mean

[rocky ocean]

that's a really funny oversight
also an obvious one if you think about it for like 15 seconds while implementing

[hazy breach]

Same as the assa one

[lilac stag]

Silken Dead, killed as 631 warrior @tribal blade

got the 2H

[tribal blade]

huge!

[tribal blade]

WOW THIS IS AMAZING

10/10

[tulip token]

YO we downed court!!!

oops

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BzC73gMqQ4RxypX2?type=damage-done&fight=34

I feel like I probably suck but still. Just glad its dead.

[crisp lion]

grats dude

[chrome palm]

huge gz!

[tulip token]

Appreciate it yall!

[chrome palm]

now for you to be the main star on queen :D

[dry plank]

Gz

[hollow spear]

Don't you lose dps if it's not active when sectec hits?

[hazy breach]

Why would it not be active when sectech hits

[mortal bane]

You mentioned macroing it to blades, but blades is after Secret Tech. What am I missing?

[hazy breach]

The vast majority of sectechs damage happens 1 second and 1.3 seconds after pressing it

[mortal bane]

Ah if that is how it works I see now. I would have thought the subsequent hits of secret tech were snap shotted. But that will work. Thanks.

[spark tusk]

I think the only thing that's snapshotted about sectec is the position of the hits is at the location you cast it

[hazy breach]

I dont think it even does that anymore

[spark tusk]

oh that's nice

[vale pine]

nice pin 👍

love that you adopted my formating

[fallow nimbus]

To the current target or else a random one

Like RS the nearest is also possible

[haughty mural]

I don’t get it

[rocky ocean]

they are amazed that the tier set is still bugged in a hilarious way

[lilac stag]

@haughty mural 2025 may legit be year of spear arc

[hollow spear]

that explains why my sectecs are sometimes cursed when I fumble transmitter

0.X seconds left on second cast when I krangle my activation

I hate that the second ones are cast by our "pet" 😦

Is there a way to compare (a dumbed down) house of cards with transmitter at our current item level without writing 50 lines of code?

[fallow nimbus]

We are closer to the rupture spam with every day that passes

The dps tier set is the worst we ever wittnessed. I don't think blizz can fix that

Having the reset on cast instead of dmg instance is RS levels of fixing

[hazy breach]

But theyre gonna nerf it

Like they changed it from 120s cd to 90s cd without lowering the number

When you low roll with it you get roughly 10% more stats than the 2 minute trinket from priory/skardyn. And most of the time you'll be getting significantly more since you wont get the lowest possible stat amount

So thats obviously completely whack in terms of balance

Wait im stupid, i mixed up the slots, hold up ill send a new pic

[void hound]

when you say "remove winning streak" does it mean removing one stack or all stacks?

[hazy breach]

All stacks

And im 99% sure the intent is for it to remove all stacks

Just not per damage source

[void hound]

is it gonna be worth to pool stacks before dance/burst?

[hazy breach]

Probably

[void hound]

nice, even less apm for deathstalker

[hazy breach]

That shouldnt have any impact on apm

[void hound]

does it proc that often?

[hazy breach]

What

[void hound]

like how often do you get a stack

[hazy breach]

You wont lose any stacks except when you cast evis, bp or sectech

10 rppm

[void hound]

so you just raw dog a rupture and overcapp a bit on cp to pool up stacks?

[hazy breach]

Possibly yes

[void hound]

😮‍💨

[hazy breach]

Or you just cast ruptures

[void hound]

thats epic

sub not beating the "rupture is more important than on assa" allegations

[lilac stag]

Maybe we need a feedback channel / threads for realz like felhammer has.

[pliant topaz]

oh true! that way when we continue to get fucked it feels even worse!

im down lets do it

[alpine wraith]

yea getting ignored is some kinky thing

but they fixed coup dash at least

[hollow spear]

That's comparing both trinkets at the same ilvl?

[pliant topaz]

my favorite new coup feature is having a 90% chance of dropping tier

[hazy breach]

yes at 639

[pliant topaz]

thats a banger

[hazy breach]

But again

Cards is 10000% gonna get nerfed, they forgot to lower the mastery it gives when they lowered the cooldown

[pliant topaz]

eh, they reduced the duration

[hollow spear]

Yeah

from 20 to 15

so they did nerf it

[hazy breach]

Ye but it ramps quicker

[alpine wraith]

yea that would affect us if we didnt rupture only outside dance!

[hollow spear]

I feel like that "ramp" is kina negligible tbh

[alpine wraith]

well it adds up

[hollow spear]

It's just that Subtlety is an omegaburst class

[hazy breach]

Regardless, it giving significantly more stats than the 2 minute trinket

Is clearly not intended

[hollow spear]

Yeah

But I guess they didnt want to make it too bad for 2 min classes either

at a certain point, it will just be too bad to use it on a 2 min class if you nerf it too hard

and I feel like they don't want that to happen either

subtlety just has too much burst during its 90 second window

hard to get that in line with other 90s classes

[lilac stag]

I wandered in there to see how their vibe was. The feedback thing actually stood out. gg FH

[hazy breach]

Wait im fully

Thats 693 not 639

[hollow spear]

`§KJKSD=ÀS DLPADS

[keen dome]

Haha, easily done

[hollow spear]

lmao

[lilac stag]

Following Fuu’s pins and dyslexia.

[hollow spear]

and we're arguing in circles here

[alpine wraith]

getting all the power

[hollow spear]

I feel gaslighted

*lit

[keen dome]

Eleem is just prepping us for season 4

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/tell-me-lies-gif-7285961314818952073

[haughty mural]

Yea they keep getting nice stuff

[hazy breach]

Which makes way more sense

[hollow spear]

[keen dome]

Yeah

[hollow spear]

that's more in line with my expectations

[keen dome]

That's 639 transmitter v cards, right? Just to check, 'cos I missed the full context

[hazy breach]

Yes 639 both

[hollow spear]

the main stat baseline is kinda meh for sub, so I expected it to be worse than transmitter

[lilac stag]

Our other rogue wants to go warrior too. We need a hunter. I offered.

[keen dome]

Yeah, makes a lot more sense now

I am curious how that amount of mastery + increase of mastery on gear will impact us hitting the DR for mastery though.

[hollow spear]

don't think there's a hard DR

[keen dome]

It's just way less impactful at a certain point, right? 22k or 24k or something.

[hazy breach]

Ye its the same as any other stat

[hollow spear]

it should just gradually decrease

no real breakpoint

[keen dome]

Makes sense. I've never fully understood it.

[hollow spear]

it's simple math I think

the more you get of sth the less each additional point is worth

relatively speaking

[keen dome]

The first time I ever thought about it was in Remix, haha. But now I'm thinking: Oh, we'll have so much mastery during burst. Maybe we stack other stats to balance.

[hazy breach]

Well deathstalker only has 2 stats

So not much else to do

[keen dome]

true

urgh, deathstalker

[hollow spear]

isn't versatility > mastery on DS even?

[hazy breach]

About the same

[hollow spear]

still feel like vers should be deleted

[alpine wraith]

well we had things like arpen or multistrike

but they were deemed extra

even if i liked multistrike mechanics

[hollow spear]

if vers is your top stat

something is wrong with your class

imo

[keen dome]

Versa on every piece of gear. In addition to two other stats

Everything is Sub gear

[haughty mural]

Tempted!

But also tempted to take up a bow again since lone wolf is gonzo

[hollow spear]

might just play BM so I can be a Ret Paladin with extra range

[lilac stag]

Bombs are so fun

[hazy breach]

Extra range?

[hollow spear]

doesnt it have more range than 30y? 😄

I am too rogue pilled, no idea

[median nacelle]

make shuriken toss do real dmg again so we can go throw rogue

[lilac stag]

I think my mental just needs a break from the shit ass rogue hero trees.

[haughty mural]

Same .. also can’t imagine me spamming rupture outside of dance

[lilac stag]

I have to finish leveling the Hunter.

[jaunty umbra]

new pack leader is awesome . they just need to rework/buff the defensive

[lilac stag]

The 10% dr at 40% health on 2 mins.

da fuq is that shit

[jaunty umbra]

idk who came up with that

[hazy breach]

The "joke" i made was that ret is mostly ranged already, but yes casters have 40 yards

[haughty mural]

Already gearing

[worn cape]

Looks like the sub population will decrease once again.

[frank musk]

We are already perma stealthed in the eyes of our lord Blizzard.

I doubt they even know we exist.

[worn cape]

I wouldn't be surprised if we were an afterthought. 🤷‍♀️

[frank musk]

I am completely confident that we are.

[hazy breach]

If tuning ends up bad ye, if its good people will play it

[worn cape]

Blizzard: Tier sets are done!
Some weird rogue dev from the corner of the basement: What about sub rogue?

[hazy breach]

But ye a lot fewer people play sub than assa

And rogue is already underrepresented

[worn cape]

I just started playing sub in 11.0.5 and I never had so much fun on a spec. I hope that doesn't go away in 11.1

[frank musk]

I will always love sub.

I will continue playing it, come what may.

[void hound]

current iteration is pretty good for the most part

[hazy breach]

ST is really really fun

Aoe could be with a few changes, but as is its not nearly as good

[ancient kraken]

but assa rogue also looks awesome. cant decide, i like both

[hollow spear]

They just need to stop forcing DS

Make the tier set interesting for both hero talents

[keen dome]

Simple answer, imo.

Play both

There's no reason you can't

[vale pine]

The spec is fun, just give it a try

[cursive vapor]

sub is awesome.

though i love all specs the same

[worn cape]

I have 😊 I just hope the tier set won't change the playstyle too much.

[vale pine]

we will see once it works propper

but proably won't

[alpine wraith]

only change would be not be using evis depending

[worn cape]

Imagine it still being broken at launch 🥲

[lilac stag]

basically every launch for sub

[hollow spear]

the dark brew god build is hiding around the corner

dark brew DS with rupture spam between cooldowns

[steady dune]

ngl a lot of the changes in 11.1 are looking good, not counting the bugs that arent going to be fixed. Defined boundary lines on swirlies, no more chasing a god damn ball around the maps, no more die move on coup. its looking good

[vestal relic]

i love the fact assa and sub are complaining (for good reason) but outlaw is far worse and no one talks about it

[steady dune]

i would play outlaw rogue, but one shivered me timbers once and I have never been the same

[hollow spear]

Outlaw is too adhd for me

I am breaking a sweat after a +10 on that spec

[lilac stag]

tbf all we do in here is basically rehash very similar issues from expansion to expansion.

maybe they’re the big brains just giving up

[worn cape]

Next expansion they might just delete sub

[vestal relic]

i mean yeah ofc update for are so few its the same for all rogue spec x)

[alpine wraith]

yea changes are sometimes funny

[vestal relic]

sure but almost no rogue change for s2 seems like a slap in the faces given how many constructif feedback there is with very obvious problem

[alpine wraith]

what slap they are not even in the same building as us now

ignored and forgotten

[vestal relic]

x)

its so true its sad

[alpine wraith]

the 1:30 trinket change is the most you can expect

maybe they buff DS again

because not enough people are playing it right!

[rocky ocean]

Dark souls

[vestal relic]

that the snake biting his tails

spec not good so people dont play it

no change so it keeps happening

trinket change is nice but that not even a rogue change thats an item change

sure it affects us and its nice

but tweaking numbers on a trinket shouldnt be the most we can expect

[lilac stag]

BP buff was a bigger slap

[alpine wraith]

i like more the RS being smart

but now has 3y range

get monkey pawed

[lilac stag]

They’ll buff DS for assa and trickster will be catching more strays

[vestal relic]

trickster can only be buff

it absolute dogshit on outlaw

and pretty on par on sub

[lilac stag]

well outlaw is just dogshit.

[vestal relic]

nah

[lilac stag]

Make outlaw the 3rd DH spec

[vestal relic]

gameplay is nice its just really bugged/has some functionning issue regarding energy or uptime

[lilac stag]

I’m glad you enjoy it. Belongs in the bin.

[vestal relic]

i love the gameplay , bugs make me tilt so much i uninstalled the game last time i played it

x)

[vale pine]

some bugs are bad, but not that bad ^^

[vague oar]

Idk if this is a bug or an intended mechanic. But does anyone know why the cp refund thingy sometimes takes like half a second or so for the cps to show up?

I often end up wasting cps cause I use another builder instead of a finisher

[hazy breach]

It happens if youve specced into replicating shadows

If you have 5 shadow technique stacks when you eviscerate, and then you auto attack and proc 7 sht stacks a little bit later (for example 0.7s after the eviscerate) it will refund you

Also happens with coup (independantly of replicating or not)

And often when dance ends during symbols the refunds stop working (even without rs)

[vague oar]

[hazy breach]

Its all bugged to shit

[vague oar]

Is that something that's trackable even, or does it kinda just happen

[hazy breach]

Well if youre on 5

You know your autos are gonna take you to 7 fairly soon

[vague oar]

Gotcha

I've just been checking if I was at 7

[hazy breach]

Surely its gonna get fixed soon

(its been a bug since 10.2, so roughly 14 months now)

[vague oar]

Sadge

At least our numbers are good tho. That means the specs fine right?

[void hound]

just got a heart attack reading this

[vague oar]

(What a guildy actually said to me the other day)

[lilac stag]

According to everyone else rogue is fine. All classes have [major] bugs. Just look at the dps rankings on wcl and shut up.

[vale pine]

[leaden prairie]

is sub the only spec that is 1min30 in the game or

[lilac stag]

I wonder what’s taken longer. The time it took from Realz giving information about RS getting added to the spec, or how long it’ll take to fix RS.

[lilac stag]

No. Just most are str or int. sV is 45sec at least in m+

[warm goblet]

avatar is also 1.30