subtlety

[tribal blade]

this takes a crazy amount of time

[hazy breach]

Obviously just wishful thinking on my part here making shit up. But i just thought of a talent that would be very cool, fit the theme and would help sub out a lot.

Imagine if instead of the distract node in trickster we instead had a talent that reduced the cooldown of your on-use trinket(s?) by 30 seconds. (Unable to reduce the cd of a trinket below 30s)

Fits the theme of a trickster cheating the rules as well as fixing our problem of there not being a 90s agility trinket.

New cool talents are a lot to ask for seeing as replicating still hasnt been fixed, but thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

[twilit phoenix]

pretty pog ngl

[tribal blade]

A+ idea, that's honestly the kind of stuff trickster should have you're right

to me the only talent that truly feels trickster-ish is the tricks talent

[random hare]

Might be ez tho if u use a 2nd acc

Or cant battle against wow 2?

Not sure

[tribal blade]

you can win trade for sure, i tested it with a guildie a few weeks ago

[random hare]

Guildie sure but

[tribal blade]

we both queued up at the same time late at night and got each other

[random hare]

2nd acc of urs

Same bnet?

[tribal blade]

uhhhhh honestly not sure

[random hare]

Wait

U have to queue?

[tribal blade]

yeah it's a queue haha

[random hare]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[tribal blade]

it

[random hare]

Ok ur a r1 psychopath

[tribal blade]

is super cursed

i got a lot of pet achieves so i'd like to see if i can max it out

or at least come close

[rocky ocean]

what s2 waitroom does to a mf

[random hare]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

Bro wtf

Do u actually enjoy pet battles or what

[tribal blade]

i do 😉

[random hare]

[short radish]

i dont believe you

[tribal blade]

i got so many pets they're coming out my ass

[short radish]

pets arent supposed to go up there

[tribal blade]

i beg to differ

[steel zinc]

That's kinda being casual and hardcore at the same time

[tribal blade]

it's perfect to replace key pushing 😉

[old venture]

sorry best I can do is 2% leech while stealthed

hope that's good enough

[tribal blade]

shadowheart is such a great example of the effort the devs are putting into rogue

[pliant topaz]

I think it complicates the spec, something theyre scared of doing. adds a button, theyre allergic to it. interacts with the item system, scaaaawwwyy cant have talents interact with items, is completly binary as a talent, either there are no 1.5 min on uses and this ones good, or there is a 1.5 min on use, but if theres also a 2 min on use, then you use the 2 min on use, since it gives the same stats as the 2 min, except on a 1.5 min.

but i like the idea

[tribal blade]

what if they reworked on use trinkets

[pliant topaz]

based

[tribal blade]

so you could activate them whenever

but it would scale proportionally to how much time had passed or something

up to a cap

[pliant topaz]

thats just wishful thinking, complicates the game too much , breaks the flow of the game

not something theyre gonna go for realistically

[tribal blade]

it's not something i ever thought about until they reworked sub to have all damage in cds

doesn't feel right to just have an entire tier be "better luck next tier on having on use trinket good for you"

[pliant topaz]

its like, what do you guys think sub is missing? what do you think is a big problem with sub youd like to see fixed.

thats one way of coming up with ideas

another way is what they did with the first dance. "haha funny name, first dance, okay litearlly first dance go brrrr"

both are fine i guess.

eleem suggested something based on what he thinks is missing

the distract thing is a disgusting meme made up by someone who put less thought into it than me on how much sugar i want in my coffee this morning

so he wanted to replace it with something that solves a common problem with sub

[tribal blade]

what i think is missing is a lot broader i think

they have been falling behind with sub's development as time goes by

[pliant topaz]

fair enoguh, we all have different things we think is missing

[tribal blade]

so now we just have way too many talents and stuff that are completely useless or don't fit anymore

sub basically needs several paragraphs of dev notes

that kind of attention

on specifics an easy one is nado, that talent needs to go completely

[pliant topaz]

sure, so your thing is " a lot of things are useless dead talents, replace."

[tribal blade]

PV needs to go

pretty much yeah haha

oh goremaw's, i always forget it's even there

[pliant topaz]

thats not aiming at a specific problem youd like to solve int he gameplay

youre just thinking, okay its kinda bland, maybe a new polish

[tribal blade]

yeah true

[pliant topaz]

thats fine though

its a fair point

my problems were some problems a bit core to the gameplay, and specific pain points in the design

both equally important imo

but from what ive seen, theyre more likely to adress your version

[tribal blade]

what's the big thing you wanna see change

[pliant topaz]

eh, its too late, and i dont really care enough anymore to type it all out tbh

[tribal blade]

haha! that's fair

i probably saw it before

[pliant topaz]

yeah Ive yapped a lot in here

[tribal blade]

it's fun talking about what we'd like to see change

and being on the copium

[spark tusk]

I did my first sub key (and my first 10 this season (lol)) @cold badge I'm coming for u

[pliant topaz]

it was mostly dance cdr related. downtime kinda double negatively impacts you, as a cdr based spec. some of the things were ways to farm back dance/sod outside of combat for m+, and while afk in raid (think tindral intermission)

these were some of the things but yea

[tribal blade]

i agree with that, dance should not have cdr

[spark tusk]

I still have yet to find a micro sequence that is as satisfying as dance is for me

idn

Just the cadence and flow and (yes) sound effects of dance and sectec

[haughty mural]

there is none

[pliant topaz]

this makes me very happy ngl

[spark tusk]

So it's hard for me to complain, I like sin a lot but I just gravitate back to sub

[tribal blade]

i prefer playing sub

[spark tusk]

Coup makes me mad still

because it's just wimpy

(sound and animation, that is)

[haughty mural]

lesser hits with coup would be great

[spark tusk]

Make coup look like blade dance

That'd be sick

[haughty mural]

and with lesser i meant fewer

my brain not braining this morning

[spark tusk]

I don't mind hte multiple hits

I wouldn't mind it being combined either tho

It just doesn't feel weighty like sectec does

[haughty mural]

it bothers me personally and i cant even explain why

[haughty mural]

maybe thats why, yea

but that'd be just an icing - i dont mind it nearly as much as the main problems of the spec

[round latch]

actually jealous,need to do this

[spark tusk]

yeah and I didn't mean to divert away from the problem convo, I'm not in the game enough to have an informed opinion on it. I know there are problems for sure, I just appreciate a lot about the spec and where it is now, as I know a lot of you do. It having CDR or not is immaterial to what I enjoy

[tribal blade]

i have a comp i'm running that's not bad 😉

[haughty mural]

i just added it, because i didnt want to sound like my personal main problem would be "coup no big hit reeee"

[round latch]

got all 3,got all the raptors as well and couple kinky ones

the rare stinger from bfa is also stronk

[wind canopy]

Coup deaths

[wind canopy]

Make finishers hit harder

[spark tusk]

Yeah I actually died to coup for the first time in that run lol

[wind canopy]

Not just once. Twice

[spark tusk]

No the second one wasn’t coup

[wind canopy]

Oh.

[spark tusk]

That was me greeding lol

[wind canopy]

smh my head

[spark tusk]

My highest completed key before tonight was a 5 ok

No idea what was going on pull to pull

[alpine wraith]

shit happens

[spark tusk]

I laughed, it was funny because I’ve seen people complain about it in this channel for ages but never had it happen to me

And then it did

[wind canopy]

Always crazy to me to see the difference in ST that sub does vs. sin in keys

[keen dome]

Coup's getting in those final few kills before it's charge is taken away.

[tribal blade]

there's a few comps i run into issues with, there's some super sweaty people who queue with these turbo comps that are awful to fight

[keen dome]

You should name your pets

[tribal blade]

there's some guy who named his pets asking to win trade

others who name them "udie" "ezpz" "win:

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[tribal blade]

kinda cringe

it's funny beating the people who name their pets stuff like that lol

i also had a guy filibuster an entire match because he knew he couldn't beat my comp

so he only pressed defensives, and other than that would run out the clock on every turn

[keen dome]

I've seen that too, yeah. People who'll just waste time forever. There's a team that is built to just do that but I forget what it is.

The "Make people quit" style team

[tribal blade]

some people are so petty, it's nuts

take the L and go next my guy

there's a comp that revolves around sunshine

and all the pets heal

and they just rotate the pets 1 by 1

but i actually beat that comp with mine because i just swapped to my accursed hexxer

and because sunshine was up it healed for a fuckton

and i did way more damage than their pets could

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[tribal blade]

got that guy to give up

[round latch]

yup,im gonna try to push that achievement,its not like ive got better thigns to do anyway

[keen dome]

Hell yeah pet battle achievements!

[tribal blade]

it's kinda fun honestly, the only tilting thing is rng

also the rng %s are absolutely fake

like there's no way

10% chance to miss

everything misses

[round latch]

yup

[tribal blade]

50% chance to crit

go like 5-6 rounds in a row with 0 crits

[round latch]

u kinda need to know the vulnerabilities and all though

if u wanna push

[tribal blade]

i just have an addon to track the enemy team's cds

and my pets are a mix of stuff so you can adapt

[round latch]

yeah,anub and hexxer both huge

[keen dome]

Anub is such a goat pet.

[tribal blade]

the living sandling is also crazy

[keen dome]

Just amazing in PvE and PvP

Yeah, sandling is wild useful

[tribal blade]

mostly because it's a high hp pet with no speed

but then it has 2 speed reductions

[round latch]

ive got it,will lvl it up i guess

[keen dome]

Pain to get, too.

[keen dome]

I like Baa'l in PvP, too. But Baa'l is just a great pet.

[tribal blade]

and then the sandling has 1887 hp which is quite a bit

[round latch]

i havent tamed it yet,need to do the summoning thingy

[tribal blade]

gonna be real i completely forgot where i got it from lol

[keen dome]

Sandling is a rare drop from throne of thunder iirc

[tribal blade]

oh throne of thunder

[keen dome]

From the trash between boss 2 and boss 3.

[tribal blade]

i have 3 of em

i think i got em all during remix

[round latch]

baal is a secret pet from wod iirc

[keen dome]

Yeah

BfA or WoD, yeah.

Baa'l rules. Murder the Innocent and Nether Gate

[tribal blade]

i don't have baa'l yet

maybe i should get it

[round latch]

the literal goat

[keen dome]

Also you need Baa'l for the best secret in WoW anyway. Which you should 100% do.

[round latch]

🐐

[keen dome]

Everybody should enjoy the waist of time.

There's also Baa'lial from the Diablo crossover event back in DF, who has similar abilities.

[rocky ocean]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/waist-of-time-secret-belt-transmog

[keen dome]

Is just fantastic though. Moreso for PvE, but still very very strong in pvp.

[tribal blade]

oh i remember i fought someone with baal today

i think i beat them

[keen dome]

Baa'l needs specific supports to go hard. Basically about forcibly moving the enemy team around and then doing huge nukes.

I'm also fond of Bumbles and Buzzworth, the two bee pets. Just lots of poison damage.

Since you can set up the DoT's and then Swarm.

I recall Anomalus is really good for pvp, too. The weird slime you can get from the visions in BfA.

Someday I'm gonna level every pet I have to 25.

[round latch]

this should be a sub rogue finishing move

or an assassination one

pvp ofc

[keen dome]

give Sub the Kyveza assassinate ability, for PvP, imo.

[round latch]

omg,im drooling now

[keen dome]

Although I am still partial to my idea of cutting backstab from PvE, making gloomblade baseline, and then retooling Backstab into a sub PvP ability that does a huge crit from behind

[round latch]

symbols,sblades cheap into MTI into strike cb/sectech

https://tenor.com/6y3s.gif

🤤

[vestal escarp]

Plunderstorm more like blunderstorm

[alpine wraith]

javier ernesto storm

[keen dome]

it's a blunderstorm when I play because I blunder into the storm and die

[tulip token]

Hey man I like plunderstorm and I am stupid enough to grind for the 1 million plunder feat of strength

Getting close xD

[keen dome]

Hahaha, amazing. You can do it!

[alpine wraith]

too much plunder

[tulip token]

❤️ thanks! I plan on getting it in the next few days. I had 460k before the event came out again so idk how many days it has been out but I have gotten 343k or so since the event came back out

One last thing I want to show yall since I don't really have anyone else to show. I got a 17 kill solo win! 😄

[hardy agate]

17 Kills is wild! GG.
I had like 3 and 4 kills on my two wins so far in plunderstorm 2.0

[tribal blade]

huge!

[keen dome]

That's really good, damn

[tulip token]

Appreciate it boys 🙂

[keen dome]

Killed a good portion of that entire lobby yourself

Almost 1/3rd of it haha

[alpine wraith]

the blood paints the wall

[tribal blade]

i have a buddy who's insane at plunderstorm too, his name is johhhhhhn or something and he got a name for himself killing all the streamers like max and pikaboo

[tulip token]

Yeah I had like a few 7 or 12 kill games and stuff. 17 was just a crime scene... I was shocked it was that high

[tulip token]

That is sick. I have died to Cdew twice but it was duos and one was a 2v1 and the other was him cleaning us up after we just won a fight. Would love to fight some of those guys legit just to see if im even decent

I don't pay attention to names enough honestly but someone in my chat pointed out Cdew xD

[hardy agate]

How did you manage to get the 17 kills? I assume you hat a good early game and were ahead 2-3 levels with nice abilities and the rest is just "luck" to meet enough players to farm

[tulip token]

Yeah lots of rushing after people fighting to make sure I killed them both if possible. I am watching it back now and mentioned "Oh dang I have 12 kills and there are still 5 people left" So I had to have killed them all haha

I really enjoy fighting in solos so I engage a lot

[vale pine]

also probably means you die fast many times ^^

[tulip token]

Sometimes for sure. I don't typically engage in fights I know I will lose or don't have control over. If I have abilities that I feel can handle the situation then I do. So like I use the invis ability to close gaps and toxic fish people BUT usually only if I have lightning bulwark to eat what they use back on me to keep space if that makes sense. I might see if I can take the game itself from my stream and maybe I can post it for yall to see. I find myself to be cringe so watching myself back is..... fun to say the least

[supple palm]

can someone fuel my hopes sub will be insane 11.1?

[vale pine]

sub will be good in 11.1^^

[supple palm]

alright thats all i needed to hear

[paper siren]

W

[round latch]

dont wanna ruin ur depression or anything but sub moon rising

[tulip token]

Sub is good right now imo but I really would like a meta sub season.

[lilac stag]

not if deathstalker is on the menu

[vestal escarp]

Ds for prog is awful

[supple palm]

great u got my hopes up just to fall into an even deeper pit

[vestal escarp]

And there is no scenario where sub is better than sin on aoe situations

[round latch]

[lilac stag]

Short of another dmg amp phase boss, subs strength is survivability with 20% versatility.

@tribal blade I should be around at 8est today

[haughty mural]

maybe they will buff bp by another 50% and call it a day

[cold badge]

Phrasing bud

[tulip token]

Oh the phrasing is correct 😉

[tribal blade]

i'll be around 😉

[cold badge]

Died on the first pull of the GB (cloaked too early for the knock after getting flame from dargon ) and munched that major window. But nah LE was capital G gaming

[tulip token]

I was forced to run keys during my plunderstorm grind, do you like my details name? 🙂

[vale pine]

are there other hero talents too?

[cold badge]

Big fan. How dare they stop the plunderstorm grind

[tulip token]

The grind will continue later today whenever I wake up lol. I need to sleep

[cold badge]

Get some rest, king. GN

[tulip token]

Appreciate it, night brotha! Been streaming the grind and posting clips to tiktok and youtube for once in my life (Trying to have fun and give it all a shot) Hopefully I make it big one day xD

[lilac stag]

Guess that’s up to blizz and Mr robot

[vale pine]

lets not jinx it ^^

[alpine wraith]

maybe they introduce a third hero talent

[void hound]

jinx from arcane?

[vale pine]

I somehow don't think we get a 3rd hero talent ^^

[lilac stag]

“Reroll”

[alpine wraith]

we get to play fatebound so CB can bug also for us baseline

no need to change spec to assa

[lilac stag]

Also an acceptable alternative

[vale pine]

no, thats outlaw already

[lilac stag]

Do you actually reroll? Or do you just keep rollin’ rollin’ rollin’?

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-gif-5241003

[keen dome]

Third hero talent is just Ky'veza's whole kit. Copy pasted. Also the Mythic damage. It's sub-time

[alpine wraith]

but with all the annoying things

when we throw the daggers we have to go to the other side of the shadow to retrieve it and the mask to be able to use it again

the interphase attack is a 20 secs channel with 1:30 cd

[keen dome]

Yeah, it has boss cooldowns

You pop the Midnight cast and the tank pulls the pack away

[alpine wraith]

you have to use the daggers like with the kj trink

need to know where the previous shadow was to hit more than once

[lilac stag]

The retrieve is a random “coup charge”

[alpine wraith]

imagine if it was like katarina and you could step to the daggers

[hazy breach]

Not a button, a passive. Dont think it complicates anything at all tbh. If there is no 120s trinket we could just use a damaging one and have that one be lower cd.

[alpine wraith]

unseen blade should have been a button

so many problems solved

[lilac stag]

What button are you removing for it?

Adding another button makes more issues, not less.

[alpine wraith]

idk if people can stand having more buttons

their brain cant compute

maybe we need to replace some buttons with tik tok infinite scrollers

so their brain can work

[lilac stag]

dude this spec is already mental gymnastics compared to almost every other spec out there. The last thing it needs is another button to press.

[keen dome]

SecTec but you have to push it three times for each damage instance

[lilac stag]

Then you have to mix in CB for the exact instance you want it to hit.

[alpine wraith]

actually if you had 4 charges of unseen and could use them whenever you wanted

spec would be peak

[barren wolf]

👽 zlorp zlrop zlorp

aliens ass words

[glass flume]

Is the sub pvp build solved yet?

[lilac stag]

Yes

Reroll

Or askin in #pvp

[hazy breach]

Probably better to ask in #pvp

[glass flume]

My bad, bros

[tribal blade]

it'll be "solved" until the rank 1 pvpers do something completely different and everyone copies them

[lilac stag]

[tribal blade]

always happens 😉

actually one of the fun things about watching rank 1 players is they tend to do their own experimenting

[lilac stag]

our resident pvp guru doesn’t rogue so I just go with reroll

[hazy breach]

Np

[tribal blade]

np

[supple pawn]

random question, i was just looking at the wowhead build for sub before i started levelling it. last time i played it was in legion- how come goremaw's isn't used in any build?

[keen dome]

True with other stuff, too. Always fascinating watching top people figuring stuff out for their specifc circumstance very high-up versus general play

[tribal blade]

it's trash

does no damage

and the energy it gives isn't that useful

[lilac stag]

Things change. This ain’t legion. It’s trash.

[keen dome]

Goremaw more like Gore.. bore

[supple pawn]

i dont even remember what it did in legion ngl outside of the 3 combo points

[tribal blade]

shadowcraft already gives us a big influx of energy and CPs during symbols

which is where we do our damage

[rocky ocean]

Goremaw between cds should feel cozy

[lilac stag]

Until you understand what we do outside of CDs is pointless

but go on

[keen dome]

I wonder if you could make it more useful by swapping no energy for full combies.

[supple pawn]

how differently do trickster and deathstalker play?

[keen dome]

Although this still wouldn't fit anywhere in our burst profile so it's a bit moot.

[lilac stag]

Very

[supple pawn]

granted, i haven't played sub since legion and i was shit back then

[lilac stag]

One is shit. The other is trickster.

[tribal blade]

big difference

[keen dome]

Trickster is the one to go for right now. It's less jank to play and has a better feel to it.

Also you get to experince coup de grace killing you before it's changed to no longer charge

[tribal blade]

there's actually 2 completely different aoe rotations between the 2 trees, it's pretty fried

[supple pawn]

honestly that sounds kinda neat

[hazy breach]

No because the deathstalker one feels awful

[tribal blade]

it sounds kinda cool until you swap between em and int the rotation because of muscle memory /cry

[lilac stag]

All these people coming back from legion. Sweet summer child.

[keen dome]

Trickster feels very logical, very smooth. Love to eviserate

[tribal blade]

DS plays horribly

feels horrible compared to trickster

[hollow spear]

Is the queen's citrine still best for overall damage of your raid (the 4/16 approach)?

[tribal blade]

the pinned builds should still be the best unless i missed something

[lilac stag]

There was some dumb shit no healer setup

[alpine wraith]

the roaring queen is for exploiting shit dying at the end

it does a lot of dmg

you can cheese court with it

[tribal blade]

oh the no healer thing\

doesn't work on the end bosses on mythic

everyone gonna die

[alpine wraith]

no the no healer one was diff

[tribal blade]

oh right

[alpine wraith]

it is like having culling strike from PoE

basically if boss had like 300m left

you just suicided some people

and them popo

boss dead

[tribal blade]

ahhh interesting

good luck getting people to agree to that haha

[alpine wraith]

well i can see it being used in court by prog guilds not wanting to deal with 2 sets of dispells last phase

you can do first set then suicide into the charge with dmg amp

and boss takes like 400m+

[supple pawn]

i mean, i love the fact that PL and sentinel play differently because it feels like somethng new

[tribal blade]

interesting i can tell my guild the next time we're on it reclearing

[alpine wraith]

there were some chinese logs doing it i thin+

[tribal blade]

yeah that's fair

[alpine wraith]

but for real guilds idk

[tribal blade]

the main issue is just that deathstalker feels so bad to play

[supple pawn]

how come

[lilac stag]

Our cdr is shit

The spec sucks out of cds

You’re basically wasting combo points to max dmg

Everything bad on DS is good on trickster.

[alpine wraith]

also most of the dmg from DS is passive and you have no control over

apart from DN being annoying and needing 7 cp

also has a bug that affects us quite a bit

but it has almost no effect on assa so it wont get fixed

because they literally broke it after fixing it

[lilac stag]

play assa if you want to play DS

[alpine wraith]

then cba

[supple pawn]

nah i wanna play sub im just curious why

i mean tbf this is the sole reason im wanting to play rogue again

[keen dome]

No harm trying both on Sub anyway. DS has some interesting elements but it's just not fun to play.

Have they fixed the cloak talent yet or does it still give you the thing they forget to remove?

[alpine wraith]

that got fixed

[keen dome]

sad 😦

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker revolves around your marks. When youve used all of your marks you get a "big" eviscerate.

Problem is on aoe the eviscerate sucks because it doesnt cleave, so we are actively trying to avoid getting the big payoff capstone node because having it up prevents other things so you cant just ignore it

Trickster also has some extra cdr which makes the spec flow better whereas deathstalker doesnt, so youll often be in spots where you dont quite have cooldowns ready when you want to

And on St the big eviscerates sometimes prevents us from casting our actually big important spell secret technique exactly when we want to during our "combos", which just feels bad

[jaunty umbra]

how is that sad, bait and switch is really good

[tepid trellis]

free dmg

thats why he sad

[jaunty umbra]

rather the defensives

[hazy breach]

Trickster augments the way the spec plays already
Deathstalker adds annoying and needless hoops to jump through for passive shadow damage

Sub is already immortal, even without bait and switch

[keen dome]

Free damage and it was really funny seeing flensing knives (I think that was it) show up after it was meant to be gone from the game. Just.. it refused to die!

[supple pawn]

actually just in general, would yall suggest assa or sub?

i mained sub in legion but i was dog back then

i ask for either because i wanna mog iceshear but that's a dagger

both pvp and pve wise (though I'd most likely play the same spec for both)

[keen dome]

I'd say try both and see which you find more enjoyable. Both are viable, and both are fun in their own way imo. I'm a huge lover of Sub so I'm very bias'd towards glowing purple.

[supple pawn]

fair

[keen dome]

Gearwise it's pretty whatever, too. Sub wants mast/versa but Assa is pretty chill with anything, and it doesn't make a huge impact either way. So you can just try both, see which clicks and go from there imo. Gear won't change how you play it, really.

Both want two daggers, too, so easy to swap between

[void hound]

im hardline sub player but cant recommend it over assa for most people

[supple pawn]

i even got this mog made already

[keen dome]

I suppose the best question to ask: What kind of content are you wanting to do and at what level?

[supple pawn]

pvpwise the most likely thing is ill just ht 1.8k on it for the elite set
content wise i do do 'higher' level shit on my main and i guess my mage this season is KSH but im prolly not gonna do that for rogue. im surprised i even did it for mage tbh lol

[keen dome]

Ye, then playing either is solid. I don't know enough about PvP as Sub to really say anything, though. But for PvE Sub is extremely fine and fun.

[round latch]

@strong shoal

[strong shoal]

Not terrible actually

[keen dome]

I like how well those boots work on draenei

[round latch]

little gentle touch here and there and we got a beauty for sure

[supple pawn]

also had this idea but i can't figure out how to make it look half decent

the shoulders were the closest thing to fitting the recolour of the daggers that i could think of, with the metal colours on both being close too (and the similarity between chest and shoulders is why i chose that chestpiece)

[strong shoal]

I feel like the boots add a bit of too much

[supple pawn]

what would you suggest changing, for either? all thoughts appreciated ^~^

[lilac stag]

We’ve turned into mog center. Hahah. @pliant topaz how is League?

[keen dome]

Transmog, battle pet and league

[lilac stag]

We’re due for some outlaw complaining and Lost Ark updates

[keen dome]

I'm waiting for Thursday so I can no-life FF7Rebirth

[lilac stag]

We’ve hit it’s too fucking cold out to live so stuck inside doing paperwork mostly.

[keen dome]

How cold?

[strong shoal]

I'll be honest, I've never mogged draenei but @cloud perch might be able to help

[cloud perch]

what arent u liking and what do you like

[lilac stag]

#transmog can probably help

[ashen pivot]

I’ve been playing rogue for awhile, but I am thinking for switching from assassination to subtlety. How does the damage compare?

[hazy breach]

Its fine

[strong shoal]

Not many people play draenei, that's why I pointed towards someone who does hehe

[cloud perch]

[lilac stag]

-29 C

had to do maths

[cloud perch]

Fahrenheit KEKW

[lilac stag]

We teach people how to use resources here.

[keen dome]

That's too cold!!!

[supple pawn]

the shoulders and dagger combo (tryna make a set for the daggers) also i like the chestpiece but can understand it might be hard to work with

[cloud perch]

nah its aligning with my character

[strong shoal]

Everything is a tmog channel if you're brave enough

[lilac stag]

lord knows no one is actually playing this spec

[cloud perch]

what do you like daggers and shoulders ? or dont u like em or one of them per se

[lilac stag]

daggers are the only reason they are playing rogue

So go from there.

now add space cow

[supple pawn]

i like both, sorry

they're what im building the mog around, those two bits

[cloud perch]

ok and what arent u liking

[supple pawn]

i just dunno what to do for the rest of the pieces, everything else i can do without

[cloud perch]

unno momento i am heating the oven let me cook

[vale pine]

[cloud perch]

🔥 🔥 🔥 done time to

@supple pawn do you want to keep your hair ?

i made 2 versions 1 with a hood and one that keeps the hair tell me what u think

[supple pawn]

sorry was in a bg, i'm either or although out of the two you made i like the second

[cloud perch]

also some diff glove variations

[silent ruin]

Sometimes when I vanish, my next builder ends up being backstab instead of shadowstrike, any reason for this n how to fix?

[cloud perch]

go away a bit

if your too close u could auto attack and break stealth

[silent ruin]

Ah

[cloud perch]

@supple pawn do you want item list ?

[supple pawn]

Yes please! For the second again, I adore that

[cloud perch]

from the 2st two the 2nd one ? ayo

[silent ruin]

Thanks a lot!

[leaden prairie]

i cant get these daggers anymore right

that was a one time thing or

[alpine wraith]

there are some tints you can still get

just not the base ones

[keen dome]

I think the ice ones were mage tower, though.

You can get all of them except that

[leaden prairie]

the white ones

not sure thats ice or wdym by ice

[keen dome]

It's ice

[leaden prairie]

ah well gg

[keen dome]

Yeah, those were the Sub mage tower ones. So the unobtainable variant

Iceshear

[leaden prairie]

arf

[keen dome]

PvP best variant for Sub anyway

[vale pine]

sub mage tower challange was: frost dk, havov, arms, survival and sub

[cloud perch]

luckily i did all 36 speccs in legion

dont own every tint i might start doing it 😄

[supple pawn]

only if you already completed it back then

[supple pawn]

i never played survival back then, for theirs i yearn..

[cloud perch]

its my main since legion

[tepid trellis]

o7

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, I wish I had.

[cloud perch]

only did cm mop 2 classes and no wod cm never happens again

[keen dome]

Someday they'll bring it all back...

[cloud perch]

idnt think so

[supple pawn]

my main since aberrus, a patch after i came back to the game

[supple pawn]

they'll put recolours in the game and then remove them before wod remix because everyone will be 'bUt My ChAlLeNgE mOdE'

[cloud perch]

sv ?

[keen dome]

Bring 'em all back

[supple pawn]

ya

[leaden prairie]

I understand the "challenge" or whatever thing but

Like I didn't play back then

So I can't get half the mogs in this game

Bit weird

[keen dome]

It's just silly design. I don't think there's any real preistge to it, espescially as it's all unobtainable.

[spark tusk]

no my red amani bear is mine

[keen dome]

Just shove it into M+ as a reward or something. You can still keep it all a relative challenge but just allow people to work towards it.

[fierce ivy]

Don't think it would be that big of a deal if they made other more pretty weapons / armor

[keen dome]

It's just silly to remove rewards like this. And then they never get used. Just bring 'em back and let people earn them.

[supple pawn]

in their defence, for SOME classes it would've been really difficult to do, while others it's a breeze. even if they rescaled it, it would be different difficulty.

im one that wants them to be reincorporated. this is more of an argument for pvp transmog, which I can understand. one patch a spec could be absolute dogshit and another it's completely free rating. just needs a better compromise i think

[keen dome]

Ye

Earning stuff when it's current is the real preistge. After, it's whatever. And challenge, etc is always going to be subjective and impacted by balance.

Better to just have it available and earnable as evergreen content. Esp as mage tower is now a thing forever - no reason not to shove the weapon skins back into it.

Arguably some of them are harder now, too

[supple pawn]

personally doing it as survival in DF, the scaling was really wack or maybe it's just because i was shit in legion and good now lol (i was greyparsing tomb and antorus N)

like survival's literally only had one mechanic that actually mattered

everything else didnt matter because you healed so much back wtih leech

[keen dome]

Yeah, the scaling can get very weird now. Less consumable options and legendaries, and no artifact talents, etc.

[supple pawn]

i literally couldnt die

[swift tinsel]

no giant Concordance buff

[supple pawn]

outside of the oneshot mechanic

[keen dome]

CM's were also pretty funny. Some were super easy, some annoying. A whole lotta tricks too, more than modern M+ has. I'm very sad that a lot of the cool weapons rarely see use. The Wod stuff is really cool

Like the anime fel sword or the comedy shield

[swift tinsel]

Cloudsong Glaive is the only one I ever see nowadays

[keen dome]

Haha, yeah

[supple pawn]

a way i've heard for pvp which in my mind makes sense is to make legacy sets unlockable at a slightly higher rating

[hazy breach]

Tbf its like 10 year old stuff, tons of people didnt play back then

[supple pawn]

for example, 1.8k s the rating to unlock fullsets now. could make it 2k or 2.1k to get the old shit

[hazy breach]

Or played something else

[keen dome]

Yeah

[leaden prairie]

I mean sure but I didn't get a chance even

My bad wasn't born yet

[supple pawn]

also ngl something i personally want: M+ could have it's own recolour of the raid set for 2.5k

that's moreso because there's not really any reward for 2.5k than actually needing it to be linked to it

then again, fomo

[swift tinsel]

wouldn't that make like 6 color variants

total

per armor set

[supple pawn]

i just get 2.5k anyways but im sure there's a lot that dont

[supple pawn]

already is like that

[vale pine]

I don't mind giving options to get specific limited time things in modern wow

[swift tinsel]

okay 7

[supple pawn]

and the tomb of sargeras set also has 7 recolours

[vale pine]

recollers are probably the easiest way to keep the old version unique

[supple pawn]

actually, 8 even

[swift tinsel]

Like option to go back and get them, or keep them limited?

[supple pawn]

the nighthold shaman set also has 8 variations

no, 9 even

Nighthold Shaman

LFR
Normal
Heroic (Emerald Nightmare)
Heroic (Nighthold)
Mythic
PvP (Alliance)
PvP (Horde)
PvP (Elite)

wait im bad at math

xd

[kind bluff]

I like that there are items you can't get anymore. Makes ya feel good for earning them when they were current

[vale pine]

you ideally had a way to unlock things in a similar way to back then

[swift tinsel]

ah, yeah agreed

[supple pawn]

oh and false alarm, i think alliance nighthold is same as heroic nighthold

[vale pine]

e.g. i wouldn't mind if people get all the legion stuff which is not optainable anymore

[leaden prairie]

i doubt it takes them much works to do color variants lol

[keen dome]

I'd just shove all the weapons into mage tower as is. Some are harder, some easier. Who cares, unleash the content.

Then I'd take CM armour + Weapons and toss them into M+. Timing a dungeon has a chance to unlock them randomly until you have them all. Bam, same challenge as it was as back then. Everybody wins, more rewards

[swift tinsel]

Or token to unlock the ones you want

[keen dome]

Sure

[swift tinsel]

for the weapons at least

armor should be class-unlocked

[supple pawn]

maybe would be annoying but the armour could scale with the dungeon level and be useable

then again there's another rng drop that's theoretically potentially bis

[keen dome]

I just want the cosmetics. Not worth touching anything else

[supple pawn]

BUT it would be able to drop from any

[keen dome]

So people who didn'te ven play can earn them

[supple pawn]

so you dont have to farm grim batol for your bis weapon if elemental crescent did increased damage for some reason

[kind bluff]

I disagree I think it should stay unobtainable.

[keen dome]

Why

What does it being unobtainable do for the game

[kind bluff]

Because I think it gives more pride to the people who got it at that time.

It's just a simple opinion

[keen dome]

I got it at the time and I think it's very silly nobody uses it

[supple pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-ehrmantraut-you-just-had-to-be-the-man-it-was-perfect-you-just-had-to-blow-it-up-you-your-pride-and-your-ego-gif-17878633628946254819

my first thought aha

[supple pawn]

when the key bricks because the tank pulls half of the dungeon without the healer

[keen dome]

I'd also point out that a LOT of people paid for boosts to get it so the idea there's something special behind it is silly to me.

[kind bluff]

Do you think everyone should have a black qiraji? Because ide be pissed if it was handed out left and right after all that went into getting it.

[keen dome]

It's not a preistge symbol. It's just some cool armour / mounts / weapon transmogs that rarely ever see use because they are arbitarilly unavailable

[swift tinsel]

We aren't talking about just getting them

you'd have to earn them

in some form/fashion that makes sense

[keen dome]

sure. It's silly it's unobtainable and nobody uses it. Put it behind a big challenge

[supple pawn]

i think the thing is blizzard needs to be clear with whether rewards are coming back in future.

I assumed i'd be able to get the sandy shalewing from turbulent timeways when it rreturned so i didnt do it. and look at it now..

[keen dome]

Isn't it just on a vendor?

[swift tinsel]

Looks like it

[fierce ivy]

I wouldn't like everyone having everything. I think seasonal stuff is good, shows some reward for participation / putting in effort at that time. I actually wish there was more like it. I like to see people in my group or just in capital city and think "oh, he's a veteran. I remember that season"

[supple pawn]

i waasttedmore time thaan i needed to farming these. and some of these are obtainable. i'd not have farmed if i knew that

[supple pawn]

it is but i wanted to get it free with the achievement. also 5k is a lot of badges

[keen dome]

Fair

But at least it isn't needless fomo.

[kind bluff]

And that is where we disagree. But to each there own. As for the legion stuff I didn't play then and there is cool stuff sure but I'm not upset I can't get it since I didn't invest the time then.

[swift tinsel]

looks at the 60k badges in my currencies

[keen dome]

you uh. you got any badges to spare.

[void hound]

i think its fine to keep stuff exclusive as long as new exclusive stuff comes out that looks good

[kind bluff]

Yes

100% inno

Even similar things

[swift tinsel]

that's after spending like 30k on MoP reps lol

[keen dome]

Yeah but why does it need to be exlcusive in the sense you had to play at the time or miss out entirely.

Because there's no skill there. No challenge.

[void hound]

why should everyone be entitled to everything?

[keen dome]

Where have I said they should be?

[kind bluff]

Participation trophies are bad. Now you want one when you didn't even play?

[keen dome]

Where have I said you should login and get the item.

[void hound]

well thats kind of the implication

[keen dome]

I want you both to scroll up and read the text I wrote.

[void hound]

sure, i just joined the convo

[keen dome]

And then point out where I said anything of the sort.

Because I explictly said they should put them behind doing other content as a reward.

[keen dome]

Buddy I have everything I'm yapping about.

[void hound]

but even then, the premise rests on "i should be able to unlock everything"
to which i would say, why is that any more reasonable than keeping old stuff locked away

[keen dome]

Because it's a video game.

You should be able to unlock everything in the video game. Artifical scarcity like that in a game is absolute nonsense.

[fierce ivy]

That argument can be turned around though. Why does it matter if stuff is exclusive in a video game?

[keen dome]

It can still be exclusive and remain obtainable, though. Those aren't mutually incompatible states.

[void hound]

for a 60€ single player title i would agree, but im not sure an MMO with a 20 year legacy plays by the same rules

[kind bluff]

It's 2 sides to a coin. The fact is ur not wrong on 1 half of players that want the cool stuff. But there is also the other side of that coin of players who did play then and enjoy it being locked away now. It's why it's called an opinion.

[keen dome]

I'm a player who played then, though.

[kind bluff]

That's cool

[keen dome]

It's not me sitting here going "I wish I could earn that."

I literally did

[kind bluff]

That's cool.

[keen dome]

Also Blizz has returned the dungeon teleports via rotating which is cool.

But I'm also saying they should go further and bring back the other rewards.

[keen dome]

Yeah, an MMO which costs vastly more than a £60 single player title.

[kind bluff]

But you earning something and wanting it to be available and me earning something and not wanting it to be available are 2 diff opinions still

[void hound]

well my point was less about the price tag and rather it being a live game for a long time

[keen dome]

I don't think that changes anything. Imagine if Blizz suddenly took out everything prior to TWW and made it all exclusive. Would that be a good thing to do?

[kind bluff]

I didn't play in legion and didn't earn those things you speak of

But I did play every other expansion except end of mop. And there are things I played for and dedicated absurd time to. I hate they made gladiator gear available

[void hound]

that would be bad probably

[kind bluff]

But that's my personal opinion. I don't cry about it, I simply move on.

Not saying ur crying. But simply saying I don't.

Poor wording there

And like I said it's just a personal thing. And no they shouldn't get rid of it. In fact I love they are doing classic to bring it back

[keen dome]

Ye. I was going to use Destiny 2 as an example of why that is bad, haha. Like. I do get your point of wanting to have some exclusive rewards but I just feel they go against the nature of a game. espescially a live service MMO. The feeling of "I could've gotten X, but i wasn't playing then" is silly - and having those shared experinces of unlocking and working towards them is pretty powerful in a social enviroment, no? What if they were kept behind absolute equal challenges that never changed? Why do they need to be limited time?

[kind bluff]

And I 100000000% think classic should unlock mogs in retail and mounts and sucy

[keen dome]

1000% agreed

[kind bluff]

Then you get to earn it the same damn way I did

Then it's fair

I'm 100% down

[void hound]

i wouldnt be opposed to this in theory
but creating and maintaining all those challenges is just impractical
also i rather they release new exciting stuff rather than keeping cosmetics from years ago on life support

[kind bluff]

I'm not saying it needs to never come back

[keen dome]

That's fair, yeah. I don't disagree.

[kind bluff]

But understand the grind some of that stuff was

The challenge it was back then

[keen dome]

While I wouldn't be mad if they were simply re-added on a vendor. I DO think they should come back as a challenge to work towards.

[kind bluff]

I just don't like freebees

[keen dome]

They're really good rewards. They shouldn't just vanish from the game.

[void hound]

if they brought stuff back i wouldnt wave my finger, and id be happy for anyone who wasnt playing then

[keen dome]

Ye

[kind bluff]

And I'm not saying lock key never seen again the Shiney is mine alone.

[keen dome]

Which is why I think it's silly that the remade mage tower doesn't have the weapon skins. Some of them are actively harder than Legion for a multitude of reasons. And they broguht the bear form back anyway so like

It should just have 'em all earnable.

[void hound]

yeah probably

[keen dome]

Unlocking the colours was already a nightmare, haha

You can still do those if you had them originally, too. like the black bear form for guardian druid is from 1.5k rating in RBG's or something similar. Absolute nightmare to do during legion.

[supple pawn]

ngl

i expected the rogue discord to be more toxic

but i think it's probably my favourite class discord of them all ngl

[swift tinsel]

You're in the least-toxic one lol

[vestal escarp]

we're giga chill here

[keen dome]

It's a great space to yap and chat and post

[swift tinsel]

Sin/OL can be a bit much sometimes

[supple pawn]

like the only two places in the hunter discord that feel like this are survival and transmog channels

dk one isn't too bad actually

[chrome palm]

The monk discord is an unholy place which the sun does not reach

[kind bluff]

Nah this is a great discord. Even when arguing we are civil rofl

Avoid the havoc disc

It's literal toddler hell

[swift tinsel]

Fel Hammer is a meme lol

literal shithole

[keen dome]

Rogue also has some of the best TC's who go so far above and beyond to help people play better.

[swift tinsel]

^

[kind bluff]

Dude I'm new to rogue and that is so true

It's been an amazing 2 weeks and I went from scrub to feeling great with the spec thinks to these guys

[swift tinsel]

Rogue is also kinda dense below just surface level (and even at surface level lol) so it take a lil extra TLC to get it

Sub especially bc its very unintuitive

I couldn't imagine picking it up and just trying to play it and it all making sense

[supple pawn]

ill take then it actually has good wowhead guides also?

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, all of the gudies are excellent

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[keen dome]

All of them. Great work

[fathom adder]

was the transmitter wa listed in the guide? i am blind i guess, cannot find the section it is under anymore

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[silent ruin]

if unseen blade stacks can be reset between wipes, why can't transmitter/ flag and blades be ?

[vale pine]

transmitter is the best trinket for us, we essentially use it always

[fathom adder]

yes

i meant the weakaura for it

[rocky ocean]

98% of dev effort goes to next season content. Some cd raid reset is giga unimportant

Btw are we getting next expansion after 3rd season ?

[vale pine]

https://wago.io/rZdjR8Vm7

shameless plug ^^

[fathom adder]

thank you ❤️

[worn cape]

Yeah, no Season 4's anymore.

[leaden prairie]

get banned

bb

[alpine wraith]

rip fuu

man we really will play transmitter in s2

also funny thing you can do with the trinket that procs every min

[leaden prairie]

nah its fine, just pick up the talents that make blades 2 min cds

[alpine wraith]

you can unequp equip before pull

[vale pine]

!🍌fuu, self promoting his weakaura when somone asked for it

[leaden prairie]

bannaned

[alpine wraith]

then it procs some secs in

[leaden prairie]

[alpine wraith]

then it is back for the 1:30 etc

just dont tell anyone okay

it is my secret tech

[rocky ocean]

In the last nanosecond blizzard gives everyone 672 vrykul lantern .
Boom, s2 saved

[vale pine]

lol

[alpine wraith]

boom

we would still use transmitter with lantern tho

so need another one

[hexed sluice]

Damn are we really using transmitter next season, I never saw a heroic one 😦

[rocky ocean]

Death stalker now removes your trinket slots and gives 20% aura buff

[hazy breach]

Maybe not at absolute max ilvl, but definitely for a while

Unless they nerf it ofc

[hollow spear]

Hot take: they will nerf it, then realize that some classes are hot garbage without it and un-nerf it

[hazy breach]

Idk not a lot of other classes rely on it

Nobody is even remotely close to relying on it as much as we are

[hollow spear]

Unholy maybe?

Not as much, but I thought it was their BiS by quite some margin, too

[hazy breach]

Ye theyre the closest

But they also have the 90s str trinkets from this season

[hollow spear]

And they'll get a 180s strength trinket next season afaik

Which might actually be even better for them

[hazy breach]

Ye but that one seems awful from first glance

Or well, not great, most of the power is in the damage, not the stats

[hollow spear]

Haven't read through it to be honest, I just remembered that it fit the 90 second burst windows

[hazy breach]

Transmitter gives like 20% more stats than the new 180 trinket

On the on-use

[hollow spear]

Taking away transmitter this season would be somewhere between a 4,5 and 5,5% aura nerf for us

Not sure if 2nd place from next season's pool is any closer than what we have now, but that's really big

[swift tinsel]

Next season's are extremely lackluster for us as replacements for transmitter, esp on-use

[subtle zodiac]

is trickster st in raid comparable to deathstalker?

[hollow spear]

If we applied that ~5% nerf to the current raid performance, we'd be sitting between Feral and Shadowpriest

SEND HELP

[hollow spear]

it's a bit worse, but not worth switching to Deathstalker if you are not giga parse hunting

[subtle zodiac]

alrighty sounds good

[hollow spear]

if you happen to like DS, then you can swap to that for pure ST encounters

[subtle zodiac]

am trying to not play ds lmao

is all assas uses

and is just very static and boring

[hollow spear]

playing DS on Court really gets my blood boiling

[subtle zodiac]

haha

[hollow spear]

almost as much as having no warrior and no monk in raid :^)

[hazy breach]

Disclaimers: Obviously new tier set isnt in sims yet (because it doesnt work on the ptr) and maybe not all of the trinkets are simming correctly (although the vast majority of them should)

But if i scale up the gear to new mythic ilvl and sim trinkets

[vale pine]

transmitter will stay bis unless nerfed i assume

[hazy breach]

Transmitter is still 0.8% better than the next best options (which is the house of cards)

[vale pine]

thats closer than i thought

but makes sense, there is a big item level jump

[hazy breach]

Ye its 639 VS 678

[plush roost]

Mfw 40 ilvls is nothing compared to 1.5 mins

[hazy breach]

But tier set likely loads more of our damage into burst

So its likely to be a bigger difference if i had to guess

[vale pine]

ye probably

but we kinda always had the fear of the 1 min 30 trinket dependency

which seemed like exactly what we see happen in season 2

[hazy breach]

I think one of the trickster passives shouldve been to reduce active trinkets cooldown by 30 seconds

[vale pine]

think would make more sense as a sub tree talent

[hazy breach]

Thematically its more trickster

[vale pine]

deathstalker is in the same problem space even if less dependent on stat trinkets

[hazy breach]

Since its tricking and cheating

[vale pine]

fair

[willow pollen]

yo boys

11.1 worth to rise back from the dead?

[hazy breach]

Idk its not dead atm

[willow pollen]

been playing classic since fyrakk lol

[hazy breach]

Or you mean the game in general and not sub ig

[vale pine]

sub is good right now, it might be good next season too

[willow pollen]

no i mean if its worth that i should come back for 11.1, like is retail fun?

been grinding classic speedruns since the world100 finish at fyrakk lol

couldnt be asked for fated season xD

[vale pine]

there is not much to do atm in retail, plunderstorm probably the most fun activity in wow atm

for season 2, it will bring more things to do so rly comes down to you if you want to come back

[alpine wraith]

yea a kinda good break

[lilac stag]

Gear an alt

[alpine wraith]

blasting poe2

[lilac stag]

who hurt you?

[vale pine]

how is poe 2, i did hear a lot of people saying it is not ready yet

[tepid trellis]

a car

[willow pollen]

will try some 11.1 then 😬

[pliant topaz]

gimme a licence plate, recieve car parts. no one fucks with my racoon

[tepid trellis]

was talking about who hurt hacha

it was a car

[pliant topaz]

oh

same concept

[keen dome]

hell yeah po2

[lilac stag]

@tepid trellis what are you playing in LA right now?

I haven’t kept up with it. Was going to see what’s new.

[alpine wraith]

it has good promise

well it has been 3 diff ones

but only got fucked up twice one of those was only a sprain

[lilac stag]

So you found the sub rogue of new games to play.

[alpine wraith]

just not a game for everyone

[lilac stag]

just like sub rogue

[keen dome]

I am excited for when they add Sub rogue to PoE2 (Shadow I guess)

[tepid trellis]

prepping for the new raid that comes out wednesday

[vale pine]

4th one looks TOS ^^

[tepid trellis]

i had the skin turned off

but got told to enable it

[lilac stag]

I see you have a type. Hahaha

[tepid trellis]

no choice

cant choose gender

[lilac stag]

Which one are you having the most fun on?

[tepid trellis]

i have two of the same class there

take a guess xD

[lilac stag]

Gunslinger.

just getting prepped for the rogue version in wow

[tepid trellis]

if they turned outlaw into GS

id play it

GS is fun, but quite hard

[lilac stag]

They’ll turn sub into it

[tepid trellis]

reaper is a bit like rogue

the way it plays

Lunar reaper that is

[lilac stag]

I’ll check it out.

[tepid trellis]

hunger is more like outlaw

(which is what im playing right now cuz the other one sucks to play)

[vale pine]

I assume the 2 dublicate classes are some sort of rogue/assassin?

[tepid trellis]

Reaper and SE are both assassin classes

but play very differently

[vale pine]

reaper it seems then

[tepid trellis]

Lunar reaper is sorta like rogue build resource

dump it into a big hit

[vale pine]

sub rogue of LA

[tepid trellis]

sub specificly

[vale pine]

[tepid trellis]

would be more like

Empress arcana

[round latch]

bruh

[tepid trellis]

spend 500k gold on getting my SE to 1669

im not a very happy person

thats like 1.5 a weeks worth of gold

that was not it

[round latch]

why are all of ur characters like drugged out of p@rnhub

😅

[tepid trellis]

skins give dmg

and thats the skins the game gave me

[round latch]

wait rly?

[tepid trellis]

3% dmg

[round latch]

those skins give stats?

lol

[tepid trellis]

yes

[round latch]

wild

[tepid trellis]

6% for legendary skin

which only the far left one has

[round latch]

idk man,the 3rd from the right definitely looks like legendary to me

[tepid trellis]

thats a free skin they gave out

[round latch]

i also like the dark one

she looks

different

[tepid trellis]

its a class that uses a massive ass scythe

so wanted the vibe to be more edgy

[alpine wraith]

LA knows its population

btw the warrior class is also super cool

the male one

[keen dome]

Agreed

I think I played Berserker when it launched and they had a fun supermode

[tepid trellis]

damn so you played the most hated class population in the game

everybody hates serkers

serker is just a worse version of slayer

[keen dome]

Is it because they sit at low HP all the time and shout a lot? I remember that part.

I don't remember is Slayer was in when it launched originally. But I wanted to be a big angry man with a comically stupid sword

[tepid trellis]

slayer got added later

[tepid trellis]

nah the players just suck xD

[keen dome]

hahaha

If I ever played it again I'd probably play the uh.. sci-fi class guy

I wanna say he's called Scouter but I feel I'm wrong here

[tepid trellis]

scouter yeah

not my cup of tea personally

[keen dome]

I liked the style of it. But I have no idea how it played

[spark tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/692466539747737693/1306454671434584165/1279845931331747933.gif

[tepid trellis]

its one of the few classes ive got 0 idea how works

only class left that i kinda wanna play is Striker

Their new tier 4 skill

is so fkcing cool

[keen dome]

That's the male monk, right?

or kung-fu guy

[tepid trellis]

sorta yeah

[kind bluff]

Scrapper at release, but the second glavier was dropped I was all in.

[tepid trellis]

https://youtu.be/5r3OfQSGalI?t=632

time stamped it

[keen dome]

Haha, okay that rules

[tepid trellis]

that flame kick

[keen dome]

I love how anime and over the top it is

can they make our kick in WoW do that

[kind bluff]

Dude I loved lost ark pvp, just didn't have enough people doing it at times. But shit is so damn fun.

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, it was really fun for a while. I liked it too.

Very arcadey

[tepid trellis]

think striker has one of the biggest Single hit abilities in the ame

with that kick

that is a non awakening

stack a buff to 18 stacks

fire it

hit for 5bil

BONK

[keen dome]

Hell yeah. Love the BIG HIT

[tepid trellis]

https://youtu.be/4Ita4eXMcCw?t=299

fire it like 10 sec after that time stamp

[keen dome]

Loving that damage.

[tepid trellis]

he is not "crazy" geared either

its a pretty standard Korean ilvl guy

max is like 1740

[keen dome]

Blasting though, geez.

[tepid trellis]

but thats MEGA whale people that are that

[tepid trellis]

class a play does alot of small hits all the time

this version of it anyway

other version does massive hits

every 5-6sec

[keen dome]

Huge damage numbers, haha

[tepid trellis]

this is the other version

a bit lower gear in this one since its some time ago

that i swapped away

i prefer playing the 2nd one

[keen dome]

Haha, wow. Yeah, way more daage packed into a few things

[tepid trellis]

but it just feels terrible with the new changes

[keen dome]

I remmeber zerker was DoT's and then a massive ult

[amber thorn]

hey, im not that far from title this season so i suggested to dig deeper into sub gear, what would you suggest as best embelishments to craft for sub (only necrotic wake rp mobs 3rd boss + 4th boss)

[tepid trellis]

embels dont really matter

they all kinda do fuck all

but like the "best" dmg wise would be Lens's

[amber thorn]

ok thanks, ik theyre minor, but i have option to just craft 2 items so why not u know.. kk lens it is then

vers mastery i suppose

[tepid trellis]

mix between that and a bit of crit depending on other gear

[amber thorn]

enchants gems will be swapped/added, do you think i should go more crit if i got this atm? or should i rather go more vers? ik sim, but just on first look? (red text are stats CM - crit mastery)

[hazy breach]

Its no even minor, its incredibly minor

Like so minor that the sim often cant tell the difference

[amber thorn]

it doesnt matter if its minor but if i have the resources to craft this why wouldnt i ? 😄

[lilac stag]

then sim using dslice

And find out what to craft

[hollow spear]

He just told you that the sim won't know the difference

[hazy breach]

Well if you sim again its likely to show the opposite

[lilac stag]

No one in here with a brain will say craft x

[hollow spear]

How do you expect us to give an answer 😄

[hazy breach]

Because the difference is so incredibly tiny

[tepid trellis]

gems are truely whatever

[lilac stag]

just go haste crit gear and enchant vers. Add focusing iris and patch.

Perfect combo

[hollow spear]

I like versatility

[kind bluff]

I vote go full haste and be a fastboi, (don't do that)

[hollow spear]

I like not dying

[tepid trellis]

i tried simming gems with my current assa setup with Sub

[hazy breach]

Just swapping your ring to mastery+vers

[lilac stag]

Craft the Special Dagger. It’s actually bis

[tepid trellis]

and it couldnt show me anything of value

[hazy breach]

Is gonna solve most of it

and be way more productive than swapping gems around

As in like a 0.4% difference or somethng

[hollow spear]

You should sim yourself, change gems and craft accordingly

Then you should do the same a week later and change again

That's what I do

[lilac stag]

Then resim and change gems again because it changed.

Then do it again

[hollow spear]

Exactly

[lilac stag]

@spark tusk needs inventory cleared out.

[hazy breach]

For reference the embellishments in dragonflight provide more stats than the current ones do, despite being 100 ilvls lower, so back then they were more impactful

But now theyre incredibly whatever

[spark tusk]

( @cold badge I'll have you know I stood my ground against my impulse to make a joke at your expense here)

[cold badge]

Do it coward

I’m already pinged here

[hazy breach]

Gems also provided more stats relative to the rest of your gear, as did enchants

[cold badge]

Let it rip

[hazy breach]

Everything got neutered for tww

[vale pine]

i assume they wanted crafted gear to be worse this patch

this xpac*

[lilac stag]

Do it. It’s not like he’s ever going to do another key with you. He’s a one and doner.

[cold badge]

Yet we did 3 last night curious

[lilac stag]

see you in 6 months

[tepid trellis]

just as many times i did your dad

[spark tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[cold badge]

Only 3? Rookie numbers pal

Okay lE

[spark tusk]

I WON

[cold badge]

What the fuck

[hollow spear]

lmao

[tepid trellis]

your dad tapped out

[amber thorn]

i understand, that why i asked someone who already probably play higher NW as sub which ones would he SUGGEST, didnt expect anyone to tell me this is best, but only opinions what other ppl on that lvl would do

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/cigar-barish-image-gif-26607457

[hollow spear]

Just take mastery + vers and call it a day

[hazy breach]

I'd honestly not even bother with that, just swapping the ring