subtlety

[tribal blade]

there were quite a few skips yeah

also how you gathered pulls in the dungeon was pretty unique too

[glossy turtle]

Also that assa and outlaw is performing better for m+ so just thought they would kinda be better in the raid environment

[tribal blade]

outlaw's damage profile is always good for keys, but not so for raid

[candid pebble]

in delves with sub should i go with brann heal or dps?

[tribal blade]

i just play him as dps, but i hear him being healer is better

because the potions he drops heals you for a lot

[mint swift]

Can’t you trix him

Idk how much it helps

But I swear you could

[regal snow]

You can

[gleaming geyser]

Hey guys any chance sub will be added to wow analyzer?

[near junco]

Looking at this tool it does say that evasion gives 40% DR with elusiveness, but isn't it 36%? 0.2 x 0.8 + 0.2 x 1? Because it's 20% DR on top of the 80% damage you take after bait and switch? Or is it really additive? So just simply 0.2 + 0.2?

[tepid trellis]

highly unlikely

[gleaming geyser]

Ah thats a shame, how come? 😛

[lilac stag]

We rather give advice than try to write something for a website

also no one plays sub

[gleaming geyser]

Aw thats a shame, sub is my only class for 5 years 😄 jealous of my friends able to use that site, seems like super powerful data to have access to, no worires though I can understand its a chore to keep up to date

[lilac stag]

You have access to the info via your logs

[near junco]

The only thing I like about wow analyser is its timeline, a lot simpler than the base wow logs one

And I like it overlapping key boss abilities

[lilac stag]

You can also use stuff like lorrgs to see cd usage.

[oblique marsh]

guys why is it impossible to do +12 keys with pug, i mean literally noone wants to take me as sub rogue

[lilac stag]

Again. Readily available on lorrgs

[gleaming geyser]

Oh never had heard of that, thankyou!

[lilac stag]

Your ilvl is too low, your io is too low, you’re playing a spec with less than .1% playrate.

[gleaming geyser]

RIP Sub 😦 why no-one likes to play us haha

[oblique marsh]

got everythin on +11 i mean what else can i do 😄

[lilac stag]

run your own key

[gleaming geyser]

Join a guild that focus on high m+ get a consistent group thats not a pug

[oblique marsh]

dont even log on my keys

[gleaming geyser]

Pugs are just awful in high keys

[lilac stag]

So you’re complaining about not gaining invites and you won’t run your own key?

[oblique marsh]

no no im running them, but noone wants to join, even if someone que they have lower rio than me

[lilac stag]

ah I see

[oblique marsh]

and its rly borring to wipe on first boss because ppl dont even know how to move

[regal snow]

Guy has a post about this somewhere

[lilac stag]

make friends. Join a key discord or a guild.

Fuck m+

[oblique marsh]

I tried to que as sin 😄

but didnt work

[regal snow]

#outlaw message

Ty for saying it the way you did

Makes it fit even better

[lilac stag]

Easiest way to run keys is befriend a tank or a healer. Dps are a dime a dozen.

[regal snow]

It's like. 2% of the time you playing sub is why you don't get invited

[narrow shadow]

Guys, I've been thinking

I know we are used to sub by now

But the spec name subtlety does not sound particularly cool

Like, if you tell to someone who doesn't play the game

I'm a subtlety rogue

Sounds freaking weak

[tribal blade]

should be 40%

that's the reason why that talent is pretty strong

evasion becomes a huge DR

and you can combo it with feint and have 60% dr

[near junco]

Yeah, that makes bait and switch combined with elusiveness very strong indeed

Wait so even using 2 abilities you have no diminishing returns? So the 20% of feint is not on top of the 60% remaining damage you're taking after evasion? So again, it's not 40% + 0.2 * 60%, it's actually 40% + 20%?

[tribal blade]

i'm not 100% sure, but yes should be

maybe someone can help clarify

[gleaming geyser]

Btw for Treacherous Transmitter we should macro it with flag? So we hopefully get the buff by the time we press Secret Tech?

[near junco]

Damage mitigated: 3,532,551 (52%)

If you look at spew disease on the tool you linked

with feint + evasion using elusivness + bait and switch

So I think it is indeed 40% + 0.2*60% = 40% + 12% = 52%

[regal snow]

Just trust not even close man

People have been using it for forever

[near junco]

Yeah so feint + evasion = 52% on non-aoe magic damage, 64% on aoe magic damage

because you do get DR on top of your first damage reduction ability

[mint swift]

What else is there

[narrow shadow]

I feel like sub should be the one called assassination as the theme is like to get in stealthily, get a kill and disappear

[native zodiac]

If you were to macro it you would macro it to flag yeah, i wouldnt macro it though personally and just have a keybind, that way you can position your character and spawn it where you want

[mint swift]

What would Assa be called

[narrow shadow]

I was thinking something like massacre, since it involves slashing everything around you to make it bleed and spattering poison everywhere

It's more messy for sure thematically

When I play assa I feel like Deadpool or something

Not like a sneaky assassin

[regal snow]

Idk man, making people bleed is definitely some ass ass in shit

[short radish]

StabbyMcBleedy

[regal snow]

Riposte

[short radish]

its not riposte week

[mint swift]

I play stabbyMcBleedy rogue

[narrow shadow]

Sure, also poisons, but not in the way assa plays in wow

I always think of this mtg card when I think of assa

It does say human assassin tho

Hahha

[hard ember]

routing top in 2024 will be like routing necrotic wake. you will play every pack in every wing and be short 30 count

[hard ember]

get ready to play every platform before I-got-2-dispels-one-for-each-of-u

on the bright side

man 9 second kidney gon be so so so funny

[native zodiac]

Duel boss will be so good to piss off guildies again

[tepid trellis]

i remember my old guildies hating doing that boss with me

"please dont send me down with stealthi, that fucker plays pvp"

[native zodiac]

Ill just grief with blind and kidney

[tepid trellis]

i used to bully the fuck out of Puuki in there

[native zodiac]

I can imagine griefing puuki on that boss was pure content

[tepid trellis]

it was

[tribal blade]

true 8 second kidney gonna go hard

[native zodiac]

You should see our ara kara last boss in bloom

We just hard grief each other

[tepid trellis]

"STEALTHI STOP I CANT PLAY THE FUCKING GAME MAN"

[tribal blade]

THIS BANNER IS LIVING FOREVER, ARE YOU GUYS DONE DOWN THERE YET

[tepid trellis]

meanwhile im cc chaining our poor frost mage

until his Icy veins dropped

[tribal blade]

i just realized we have flurry in ToP

thank christ

sub isn't inting in there anymore

duel boss as sub was misery

so was 1st boss

[native zodiac]

Honestly i think s2 dungeon pool looks pretty good even though most people are dooming

Im only afraid of darkflame cleft

[tribal blade]

all the TWW dungeons will be a tuning fiesta on the first few weeks

[native zodiac]

Ye but thats always like that

[tribal blade]

until they massively tune to the point where it's not agony

[tribal blade]

true!

S2 is looking like a hard season ngl

[native zodiac]

Agreed

Raid also looking insane from the aesthetic side

Imo atleast

[tribal blade]

i vaguely remember something about necro frost needing to have uptime to extend their necro form

so the frost mage i got title with in S2 would beg everyone to let him win the duel

[tepid trellis]

yeah

i just wouldnt

let him win

[tribal blade]

haha classic

[tepid trellis]

if i had to sit and listen to him complain about icy veins for 7 hours straight

then the one chance i have of bullying him

im gonna take it

[tribal blade]

oh shit it was icy veins too wasn't it

yesss it's all coming back now

[native zodiac]

Mages deserve beeing griefed

Every single one

[tribal blade]

my favorite was every sanguine weekj

i would spend 7 days listening to how much he hated sanguine in every key

[tepid trellis]

and you know puuki

[tribal blade]

because frost mage and sanguine was funny

[tepid trellis]

he fucking YAPS

never ending yaps

[native zodiac]

We have a whole soundboard in our discord with puuki

I miss puuki

[tepid trellis]

FF14 gamer now

[tawny river]

hey fellas, is there a list of abilities feint and cloak work on for this raid

[tribal blade]

if anyone would have a list like that, it would most likely be @alpine wraith

[tawny river]

aight

[tribal blade]

but some of the guides might have info

[vale pine]

did you also try ff14?

[tepid trellis]

long time ago

[vale pine]

not your cup of tea ?

[tepid trellis]

not much of a fan of the combat

[round latch]

betrayer

[sinful sluice]

what the fuck is doing this much dmg?

+12 boss cant possibly do this much right?

[nova cairn]

Hope you're doing well mr tokin

Puuki gone to FF14?!

[nova cairn]

He's a LA enjoyer

[lean jewel]

I think it's this shield ability from the pally

[native zodiac]

I am, prog over chilling in farm

[sinful sluice]

what

it deals dmg to teammates?

[native zodiac]

For a while now, he stopped wow kinda when i joined bloom

[lean jewel]

Yes

[sinful sluice]

.......

[nova cairn]

I swear I saw him in DF

[sinful sluice]

well he blamed me for losing so much hp

[nova cairn]

Maybe I am trippin

[sinful sluice]

what the fuck is wrong with him

[native zodiac]

He stopped after aberrus iirc

[lean jewel]

Dunno the correct name of it

[nova cairn]

Ye I'm pretty sure I done some freeholds with him so that would add up

[sinful sluice]

haha he did 20M dmg to me...

💀

[vale pine]

its a good game

[lean jewel]

Holy bullwark or something like that

[leaden prairie]

your paladnin

you put weapons on players

and its like a perma link

for the tank

he steals your hp

💀

[alpine wraith]

yea that hero talent is banned on some places

[sinful sluice]

ok i get the talent but why would he pretend like he doesnt know why i lose hp

healer was curious why im losing so much

and tank said he probs stepped on smt

i was clueless as well

[leaden prairie]

because he prolly dont know either

you would be surprised

how little people that perma reroll

know about their spec

[haughty mural]

cant see anything in their guides warning people about that

[scarlet heath]

how did talent like this make it to the game wtf

giving your hp to ally is fine but outright stealing it from someone without consent is the worst design you can have

[plush roost]

In a gb 15

Double corrupter

[narrow shadow]

Voidweaver also has something like that

They steal HP from u

[plush roost]

Someone gets targetted and the holy armaments start sapping my hp

Then i get targetted

I have never been 100-0d so fast

Hpal banned

Madge

[regal snow]

Why is that even a thing

That's like yuumi but worse

[plush roost]

Yeah i was pretty surprised to see it added

And it catches me off guard because theres like zero indication that its on you

I know when I'm taking damage from sound ques and knowing the pack

Those armaments are sneaky

[regal snow]

Add another reason to hate paladins

[prime glen]

Yeah for sure, was just curious if those would yield a higher dps. But it seems like most using the on use and passive

Will def try testing it out later and see the diff between em

[narrow shadow]

Btw, do I have some setting wrong or secret technique no longer spawns shadow clones

Just some daggers

[alpine wraith]

it was some years ago that it spawned clones

they went to get milk

[narrow shadow]

😦

Why can't we have nice things

I remember I played sub some years ago and that was so cool

Actually I was hoping that the trickster flavor would include shadow clones

[lilac stag]

I mean the clones weren’t exactly nice things.

just rogue animations are so abysmal any bread crumb seems amazing (poison bomb )

[mighty delta]

i love how when i apply to groups as sub i dont get in, so i apply as sin and sneaky swap

i dont get it either sub is feelin so good rn

[leaden prairie]

I don't even think sin is better than outlaw/sub in low keys even

Like under 11s type of things

[mighty delta]

ikr

[leaden prairie]

Sin can't even press cds

[mighty delta]

i beat sin on 10s tho even

they have such shit boss dmg on m+

[velvet nova]

seems like the m+ build is just the raid build, is that true?

• imp shuriken

[fierce minnow]

• first dance

[tawdry kiln]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Subs cds are often still up when the pack dies too

It is what it is

[leaden prairie]

well, you just waste sin cds tho

its way too much prio damage

even in high keys i sometimes waste half of it

[vale pine]

happens, not the worse thing

just feels bad

[leaden prairie]

i want to cut my balls off when it happens

sin is a shit spec no cap

[plain zephyr]

Just do what I do and play with friends who do half my damage. Shits still alive when my CDs fall off. 🤣

[sacred sun]

how does this work?
because i cant reuse another SoD after the first one is expired

[alpine wraith]

dont spam the key

[sacred sun]

ahhhh

🫡

[narrow shadow]

It's not called Ass for nothing

[lucid jackal]

Fucking chills

[strange chasm]

He's him

I'm pumped to play sub on reclear tomorrow

[alpine wraith]

juicer

[wind canopy]

#1080572530554835072

[vale pine]

nicu

[vestal escarp]

The cup

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dance-fortnite-vegeta-gif-18285067904679754431

[fair anchor]

on Ovinax we use BP for parasites right ? not eviscerate ?

[alpine wraith]

still evis

[fair anchor]

oh word

I thought with this many target we switched

[mighty delta]

is 1.3Mil overall decent? im having a hard time doing above that on m+

[lilac stag]

depending on key it’s mid

Likely need to be more aggressive with CDs, but a lot depends on key, level and other dps

[lucid jackal]

This is a pug 11 stone vault with near bis gear if u want a frame of reference

Feel like I get anywhere from 1.8-2.1 depending on dungeon/comp

[bronze turret]

guy playing sub in keys

did you have a stroke

[gritty knot]

Would u say its a good idea to play sub in GB +13 with enhancer + aug? 😄

or will they kill me midkey? 😄

i am thinking rn about the old switcherino

[alpine wraith]

sub is decent in gb because of speedshroud and the rp you can use superchargers

[gritty knot]

ye i am just afraid my dmg will be shit with the aug idk and no IW ofc

[topaz raptor]

yeah the only major grief is no IW gb

it is insanely good in gb

[lucid jackal]

It's fun

Give a spec blade flurry, and remove dust and it's fun

Crazy how that works

[lilac stag]

2024 be wild

[mighty delta]

ty i think i hold onto blades and flag too often

[lilac stag]

you can precharge sod between packs as well

Also get 6-7 supercharges before starting the key

[alpine wraith]

you can only get 2 before key begins

but depending on key you can also use a second one mayube

[lilac stag]

You get more than 2

You get two in raid

M+ doesn’t care

[alpine wraith]

m+ does care when key begins they all go away but 2

unless they messed it up

[lilac stag]

It does not care, at least it still didn’t on Tuesday (reset)

[uneven shard]

sorry for the question, has anyone the same problem and cant sim as sub on raidbots?

[alpine wraith]

check you dont have any old apls etc

[uneven shard]

ah thx this whas the problem sorry

[wide sonnet]

Hachadino are you EU?

I want to see 3 master rogues in a dps race. Who will play sub ??

[alpine wraith]

just tried and charger reset to 2 after key began

it showed i had 7 then when i entered pull and used 1 finisher it went to 1

[alpine wraith]

you overstimate me a lot if you think im a master ahaha

[wide sonnet]

You are always sub ive seen you here awhile

[topaz raptor]

damn 25% vers this dude is invincible

[alpine wraith]

smh scath making me do a key on monday

but well time to sleep

and btw i dont mind doing that maybe tomorrow if everyone is there i have a mists 10 for the giggles

[wide sonnet]

EU?

I'll tell zac and tryar

[alpine wraith]

yea im in eu

[hazy breach]

Ye it does that now, fairly sure it was stacked all the way before but i could be wrong

It resets escalating and sht to 0 as well

So no prepull shenanigans

@tribal blade Rampin

Was 8s overtime on a nw 15 as well

[strange chasm]

How you like sub in the higher keys

[hazy breach]

Is good

Unkillable and does big burst

[hazy breach]

I am getting outdpsed by enhancement shamans with PI though

[jaunty umbra]

why do you have stats in middle of the screen

[lucid jackal]

U see what I did today

[lucid jackal]

Look at this dude

[hazy breach]

I didnt

[lucid jackal]

I like that sub is just the grim reaper of low keys

[tribal blade]

huge!

[quaint lodge]

chills

[lucid jackal]

Literal chills

[quaint lodge]

enh shaman at 1.32m

was he dead on pull or what

ngl though enh does so much damage

without timelessness

its a bit of a pain to pug with a shaman

perma watching my duo get one shot dropping 12m tempest

on opener

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach i got completely stuck for an eternity trying to time a single 15

between getting no invites and other people inting every single one, it was torture

[hazy breach]

Are you queueing as sub

Or doing the swap

[tribal blade]

i always queue as sin

and then if it's a dungeon i play sub, i swap before the key starts

i haven't had a single person mad at me doing that

it's usually "oh shit sub is back??"

my IO isn't high enough to warrant queueing as sub

[hazy breach]

Ye most are just surprised sub does damage

[topaz raptor]

try it but swap from aug to dev

[tribal blade]

exactly!

i got complimented on my boss dam in a DB

[lethal gale]

Do you record any of your high sub keys?

[tribal blade]

nah not at all

i'm not near good enough to stream i think

[lethal gale]

Man you should even just raw gameplay would be cool to see in the 14-15 range

[tribal blade]

hopefully can convince one of the other big subs to stream all their keys 😉

[hazy breach]

Dont think twitch saves the VODs

Even if i did

You need to get some sort of status thing for that to happen

[forest furnace]

does the damage amp of symbols/dance..etc snapshot and apply to ST at the time of activation or only once the damage hits?

[hazy breach]

Once it hits only

No snapshotting

[swift merlin]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[topaz agate]

anotehr ghost ping

i will find you

[sinful sluice]

what do you guys take for m+ these days?

is it still smt like this

[short radish]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/blizzard/CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMzy0YGzMmxYMDzMzMMmtZxYstNzMmZmxAWmlBAAAgZwAYMbGGYgZhFmFbwA

TFD > WM if you get 1 proc every 5 minutes or something

some dungeons you get it a lot

CoT and DB is really good

[sinful sluice]

hmm no shuriken tornado?

i guess its not that great

[lethal gale]

I personally never run nado either

[sinful sluice]

i was just using it to get cds back

[tribal blade]

running no nado is fine

technically better for aoe

(nado is technically better)

but i stopped using it in keys and have 0 regrets

ok i finally played with a top tier enhance, this shit is illegal

[lunar bluff]

@tribal blade did u juts run that 15 dawn

[tribal blade]

YES

[lunar bluff]

im billee

[tribal blade]

HAHAAAA

[lunar bluff]

pc crashed

[tribal blade]

bro your dps is wild

i've never seen an enhance do that much with my own eyes

[lunar bluff]

@leaden prairie

XD

[tribal blade]

you made me look like a small child

[lunar bluff]

ty, i felt like i played good lmao

• balanced spec

[tribal blade]

although when the first boss positioning got fucked i was crying

[sinful sluice]

what does velitouched enhance in our abilities?

[tribal blade]

all magic

[lunar bluff]

did u know tank

[tribal blade]

all shadow and nature damage

[tribal blade]

yes....

[lunar bluff]

nvm nvm

unluck

[tribal blade]

we don't really talk anymore, but he's on my friendslist from S2 DF

but like i was saying he's a bit of a dingus

like when he killed us both on the boss

yeah

[lunar bluff]

he wiped us both times

[tribal blade]

yep

dude on that last boss i saw the circle move out, was safe

[lunar bluff]

i thought i recognized the name prophethood

im sometimes in this disc

[tribal blade]

then was like "cool, i can move back in to get in range"

and then we got murdered

[lunar bluff]

i didnt even move, i was just standing there

[tribal blade]

haha not surprised, i tend to spam sub chat sometimes

[tribal blade]

i started to move back in because usually once the tank is out they plant

so i could maintain uptime

sub is really painful atm if you can't maintain 100% uptime

he also went to do an easy trash pack

while our lust was off cd

and i had my cds ready for lust

[lunar bluff]

ye i only play it on random 10s for vault

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j752flc7JidLFXNzl?invite=cr-MSxiQTgsNDU1MDEwMyw

[tribal blade]

HAHAAAA

amazing

i was like "not like this"

[lunar bluff]

keys are so weird

im privileged dps but like, these keys aint hard man

[tribal blade]

yeah they're not bad

esp the easy 15s

but every time i do them, something always happens

and it bricks the key

[lunar bluff]

that was first 15 attempt

tbf dawn is super easy

[tribal blade]

it took me legit countless attempts to finally time a 15

this is what my first timed 15 looked like

ara of course, so the timer is so free you can have someone doing negative dps and time

[lunar bluff]

1.53

[tribal blade]

so to be fair this guy's IO was very low

sub 3k iirc

[lunar bluff]

not trying to one up you but my first 14 was an arara and the spriest we had did 1.1mil

[tribal blade]

oh NO

competing with the tank in dps

[lunar bluff]

but ggs, i felt bad i left mid convo i reset my pc

[tribal blade]

no worries at all! i appreciate you coming in here to let me know

you can add me at Prophet#13478 if you want

btw i have a 15 mists

which i can send sometime tonight

would love to get you in

[sinful sluice]

we never rupture before cds right?

feels like it takes way too long to spread them

in m+

[short radish]

i send one rupture

maybe 2 if there arent trash tiny mobs

[lucid jackal]

I rupture on the flag finisher before transmitter stuff and inbetween packs

But there's no time to spread ruptures, and then cooldown

[lunar bluff]

lmk when, i could be down

but not too pressed to do it if u wanna run without me, might int some dayz

[tribal blade]

sounds good, i'm eating right now

i'll hit you up

[full kindle]

is there by chance a log review channel?

[pliant topaz]

!logs

[pliant topaz]

do a !logs, and hopefully someone can check out your logs, I probably wont have time until after friday tbh, but maybe u can ask stealthi/ eleem/ many others to look into it

[swift merlin]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[dire geyser]

Anyone got that sectec weakaura that tracks how much damage it does

[wild hornet]

I just realised theres like only 2-2.3k parses on heroic for sub

[sullen hare]

Mythic is even lower lol

Oh shit it actually went up a little, 3.8k

It was sitting at like 1.5k a little while ago

[edgy zenith]

you can use xephui and edit it for rogue abilites

like I did

[dire geyser]

Thanks sir

[edgy zenith]

there's a standalone one if you google that

https://wago.io/-V-qn4BJn

here's mine if you want it

only shows finisher dam (evis, coup, and sectech)

[dire geyser]

Thanks dude

[edgy zenith]

yo genius Subs, you guys doing the hold CB for second sectech on Silken? or just ripping on first like normal?

I've been messing around with the CB on second sectech thing

and you can get the second sectech in the 1:30 damage amp if you flag skinny girl 0.5s before she leaps away and use first global sectech on charge boss

y'all think that's worth, or the damage you gain from the second sectech CB is lost bc Flag lash damage on non damage amp boss?

have had some pretty good prog parses from doing this:

but non kill parses are cooked, so

not sure if worth or not

[tribal blade]

short answer from what i heard is yes, it's better to hold CB for second sectec in cds

but it's fine to just rip it on 1st

[edgy zenith]

yeah, I'm just wondering with Silken specifically, or do you mean on Silken specifically

[tribal blade]

if you don't want to use the additional brain power to think about CB usage

[edgy zenith]

I know it's better normally

[tribal blade]

oh silken specifically i have no idea

[tribal blade]

i modified a different WA for garrote, does anyone know how to fix this error

nvm i think i figured it out

[wind canopy]

@spark tusk should know, but I think it has something to do with CLEU not being filtered on anything. WAs doesn't like that anymore

[tribal blade]

i just literally deleted the line it said was causing the issue in the custom string thing

and that seems to have fixed it

omfg i got kicked from a group because the lead wanted to invite yoda

this guy has been actually inting me this season

[spark tusk]

The short version is that an old, raw method of ingesting combat data is being used in that aura that WeakAuras does not like and wants people to stop using so it throws up those errors. There are more modern ways to get at this data that should be used instead. Simply removing a line would probably not fix this specific error. If it crops up again, you can let me know if you want me to look at updating and adapting it for the newer methods.

Or, alternatively, you can just grab my imp garrote aura

[tribal blade]

true! i should probably just grab yours 😉

[spark tusk]

It's on my collection page

[vale pine]

oh interessting, didn't know they faced out combat log events

[spark tusk]

Just unfiltered

[vale pine]

makes sense it was quite expensive

[spark tusk]

It's just that you can't have a raw COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED in the trigger list

you can still do CLEU:SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS and things like that, those are perfectly fine

[vale pine]

ahh, good to know

[spark tusk]

Or you can do watched triggers which is what I mostly do any time it's possible instead. Just make a second trigger which is Combat Log: Event Type, etc, then use TRIGGER:2 as the event in your custom trigger

That way any time blizzard updates the event payloads, weakauras handles managing that, and I just use what they have which will remain the same

[tribal blade]

everytime i see you guys talking about coding and stuff

as a complete non tech person

[vale pine]

it isn't too difficult

[tribal blade]

to me it's like rocket science

[vale pine]

but basically, unfiltered combat log events gives you a big list of events because they are not filtered

it is better to use a filetred function because you get less data which is computational less expensive

basically, do less work = better

it all sounds complicated but most things in programming are simple

[spark tusk]

If you’ve ever clicked around in Conditions tab and modified or made your own logic, it’s the same though process just less restrained.

[leaden prairie]

I'm coming for you awang

[haughty mural]

did some details update change how sectech is shown there ?

[sinful sluice]

can anyone share their secondary stats?

[hybrid bluff]

Details dont show the full potential of sectech but logs do

[haughty mural]

i thought it did at some time

[fierce minnow]

details still doesnt fully show sectec?

[vale pine]

it does

[hybrid bluff]

yea if u cast it once u can look in details but how if u cast it many times?

[short radish]

@sinful sluice @lucid jackal who do you step to in p3 for queen

[vestal escarp]

16k vers 12k mast w/e the rest

[lilac stag]

Mage

[alpine wraith]

yea step ernesto pedro

[short radish]

Thanks

[hazy breach]

I stepped a warrior, just anybody thats reliably alive and makes it over

[tribal blade]

what if my entire raid team has a tendency to die a lot

[hazy breach]

[tribal blade]

by the way is there a way to macro stepping the tank you have in your party

[short aurora]

i use mouseover

[tribal blade]

kind of like the auto tricks addons

[short aurora]

on party frame

[tribal blade]

mmm true that could work too

mostly for mists

on the last boss

[short aurora]

ye

i use it alot

can recommend it

[tribal blade]

i've just been manually targeting the tank and stepping

[short aurora]

2 more clicks

[tribal blade]

which isn't the worst thing in the world, it's a bit slower but still works

[short aurora]

ye

[bleak wind]

our mages had the tendency to blink at the last possible moment so I ended up taking the gate instead

[golden totem]

Same, switched from mage to warrior

[lilac stag]

Imagine your warrior not being dead

[vale pine]

just dont die ^^

[tribal blade]

maybe if i could give my raid team cheat 😉

like symbiosis

[keen dome]

Symbiosis.. What a fun ability

Didn't we get taunt from that

[round charm]

Is there any high key sub rogue streamer with action tracker pls?

[quaint karma]

Hello i have a possibly really stupid question. Im progging queen atm and when we get pulled in P2 i have focus on the beam add so i can step to it when i get pulled so i make sure i dont get hit by the beam. However my step @focus macro doesn't always work i feel while regular step just out of the spellbook always works without any issues. I know that if we stand on the edge while getting pulled step wont work to bring u back but im standing in the middle of the platform to be safe now and the focus step macro still doesn't work, here is the macro i use it works without any issues outside of this one scenario.

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] shadowstep

or could it be that sometimes the beam add is too close to the edge so the step cant put me behind it?

[rustic raven]

If you are over the edge you can’t step back onto the platform most of the time

[quaint karma]

ye that i am aware of, which is why i stay closer to the middle of the platform to make sure im not over the edge but sometimes it just doesnt work even if im not over the edge

[rustic raven]

Hmm. Are you taking one of the portals and swapping sides?

[quaint karma]

the problem im having is on first platform only in P2 and im not taking any portals there

i take portals on 2nd platform

[rustic raven]

Hm

Welp

Idk i just dumped 1 dance with CDs into platform one then manually targeted the beam dude on the yoink

[quaint karma]

ye i tried just targeting it a couple of times and just stepping to it with regular step from the spellbook and that works

its just the focus macro that doesnt work sometimes and its driving me insane haha

[hazy breach]

Only thing i can think of is you not having your focus step macro in stealth/not outside of stealth

Because it works

[rustic raven]

Yeah. It may have something to do with the fact that there are 2 of them at that point in time?? But ur still focusing a specific one so idk why that would affect anything

[quaint karma]

i checked this and i do have the focus macro on both my regular bar and stealth bar

idk maybe i add to target my focus into the macro and see if that works

like target and then target last target

seems a bit stupid to have to do tho

[atomic fern]

Apologies for a question that's probably asked often but. I'm coming back after not playing rogue for a long time.

How is it rn in pvp and is it still "I do 40 things to do what you do in 4"? Lol

[lilac stag]

#pvp

and yeah you’re not playing a warrior.

[atomic fern]

Ty for the link

[cold frost]

Hi fellow rogues. Is there a place to find useful macros? Playing sub again been away from it since SL.

[hazy breach]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[cold frost]

Cheers bro

[sacred yarrow]

why isnt the Symbols macro with those

[uneven fern]

wonder why

[sacred yarrow]

its the macro to not use two charges of symbols by accident

[uneven fern]

ah

iunno

[sinful sluice]

i personally feel like dance+symbol macro is good for openers

[uneven fern]

[hazy breach]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[hazy breach]

Havent added it, but ig it could be there

Idk

[keen dome]

Yeah, I like dance+symbols macro but I'm def noticing it being even less good these days

But I am lazy

I should just ween myself off it at this point

[sinful sluice]

i just press them once in opneing

and manually press them afterwards

[severe prism]

why we sectec before shadowblades in opener ?

[primal elbow]

Anyone here done the Mage Tower challenge lately?

[hazy breach]

We use sectech as our first finisher to get it on cooldown so we can get it back up quicker during our second dance

And we delay blades because we already have premed giving us full CP

[leaden prairie]

doesnt sod have a grace period to not double press

im a big double presser and i never double press that thing

[hazy breach]

And blades doesnt work on sectech anyway

[pastel rampart]

it resets depending on ur timing of other spells

[hazy breach]

Yes it got hotfixed a couple of weeks into the patch

[leaden prairie]

uh what

[pastel rampart]

if u use a spell with a grace period to not double press at the same time as another spell, it skips that grace period and lets u press it again

its hard to do but it does happen

most noticeable with shadowstep, happens with PS on disc also

[round charm]

Do we not use SoD with every dance? Why is it bad to have them macroed together?

[leaden prairie]

ah

that sounds mega irrelevant

but good to nkow

[hazy breach]

We only use dance during SoD yes

But you sometimes use only SoD

And during your burst so specifically do not want to use them at the exact time

The second use of them* during burst

[round charm]

Oh so its for cases you press SoD first and few globals after Dance?

[vale pine]

we essentially align symbols with secret, so only use it if we can use secret with one of the supercharger point

*points

[severe prism]

am i doing something wrong if i have sectech up with no charge of dance and sod available ? or i'm suppose to sit on it until i get them back ?

[hazy breach]

If youre using dance without getting a sectech inside it yes

But as long as you have a sectech inside your dances its going to be up earlier, because it has a shorter cd

Or get more cdr per combo point rather

[severe prism]

Ok so if i always sectech in dance, it's normal to sometimes have it up and not press it to have cds back up

tldr is like :

• send everything on pull (in order) and refresh once dance and sod during burst (2 sectec used)
• send 1 charge of dance+sod when sectec is back up (2 times probably ?)
• hold everything until you have flagel+sblades back up
• repeat

am i right ?

[hazy breach]

Yes, the non-burst dance(s) can be moved around if needed

You typically only get 2 dances in between on the first "rotation"

But it depends

[vagrant fulcrum]

Thoughts on weaponmaster vs TFD for keys?

[pastel rampart]

yo eleem

guess what

[hazy breach]

WM is close to useless in aoe

Go TFD all the time

[vagrant fulcrum]

doesn't it proc nimble flurry / extra cp gen?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt flurry no

[vagrant fulcrum]

well that's surprisingly simple

[hazy breach]

Which is probably a bug

But like

TFD is surprisingly close even on a 5 min ST fight

[vagrant fulcrum]

goes to show how shit weaponmaster became I guess

[severe prism]

ok i think i get it 🙂 it's a bit complex at first with all the cds when to use when to not use, thanks for helping !

[vagrant fulcrum]

which is wierd, this is the highest relative dmg breakdown for shadowstrike i've seen since shadowlands

[lilac stag]

WM is basically useless in aoe, doesn’t flurry. TFD is all sorts of wins.

Swapping RS for WM maybe, if you’re sick of the RS bug.

[sinful sluice]

....

:SKULL:

[spark tusk]

[hazy breach]

TFD is just good

4 more globals of damage on a lot of packs where you dont have flag ready

But tbf all the talents that you could pick instead are all very bad

[vestal escarp]

manifesting the sub meta for s2

[vale pine]

tfd helps you do more damage at the start of a pull

[vale pine]

season 2 is too far away to make predictions

[alpine wraith]

tfd is very strong yes idk if we ever asked koji again to implement a # times used in a sim

[vestal escarp]

feelcraft spec

[alpine wraith]

well more like with the way our cdr is krangled getting a super dance every so often is quite valuable

[lucid jackal]

A mage probably

[tranquil blaze]

@lucid jackal

it has arrived

[sullen hare]

very pog

[grave abyss]

finally, ringworms!

[alpine wraith]

the wormer finally yes

[fast surge]

jesus christ. I'd cry tears of joy if I only got only one of those

5 weeks of useless shit

[tranquil blaze]

i haven't been able to sub since i didnt have a transmitter, but maybe its a sub on reclear angle this week

[fast surge]

why wouldn't you be able to sub without the transmitter?

[tranquil blaze]

it be doing big dammy

my other trinkets are ass for sub

[fast surge]

isn't it technically 'the best' trink for everyone? just that other ppl recommend against it due to its annoying on-use?

or is it SPECIFICALLY THE BEST trink for sub only

[grave abyss]

it's particularly good for sub because it's 1.5m

[vestal escarp]

yo is that the legendary elusive ring

ovinax ringworm

[muted agate]

when are they gonna uncap gilded

[tranquil blaze]

assa also runs skardyns and double on-use is cringe, so thats why most people don't, but yes it's technically bis for assa too

[muted agate]

for fucks sake!!!!

[vestal escarp]

never

you're maxed out if you didnt troll start of season

( i did)

[muted agate]

my main never got any very rare shit

so i get discounted upgrades

fuckin unlucky

[barren wren]

my st sim says to take a socket and dungeon slice says to take spyglass, thoughts ?

[edgy zenith]

wait is shuriken storm 2 target or 3+?

[grave abyss]

spyglass is big meh, especially in dungeons where it can proc on the wrong target or a target about to die. socket it up

[barren wren]

tyvm

[chrome fern]

is the shadow-binding knife good? i can't remember if it was here or sin that was low key sleeping on it

[alpine wraith]

it is very good for its ilvl yes

[chrome fern]

i thought i recalled people searching for a hero track over other tirnkets, wasn't sure

[quaint lodge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gritty knot]

Just came in 😂

[alpine wraith]

sadly that is conquest

[hazy breach]

Were fairly soon at the point of the cap not mattering anyway

[alpine wraith]

yea tbh only in 3 weeks

[vale pine]

didn't know today was chinese mdi

[alpine wraith]

it is a rerun

it was done a while ago i think

[vale pine]

ahh okay

[vestal escarp]

Hof close?

Rip

[shy ermine]

We’re raiding today but have only reached p3 once so far

[muted agate]

CAP REMOVE PLS

[hazy breach]

Probably not until next reset

But maybe, it was technically filled before US reset

[jaunty umbra]

remove crests entirely

[pliant topaz]

I think it was. like 220 kills or soemthing by last night

I think they closed it before Na reset

[vestal escarp]

next season for sure

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[barren tree]

finally 😭 im so happy, can finally play sub to its full potential

[alpine wraith]

finally free

[tranquil blaze]

i think that was just WCLs showing boosted chinese kills. the official HoF on the wow site didn't hit 200 until like 7am EST this morning

still before reset tho

[hazy breach]

Nah it hits 200 like 1½ hour before US reset

The official list

[tranquil blaze]

twinning!

i can also finally try out sub

[alpine wraith]

they will remove some that are boosted guilds

namely some korean ones and some TW and chinese

but i think it might still close anyway

[tepid coral]

Does anyone have a macro for me that helps me step on a specific player?

In queen prog, my mouse over macro is not really working too well in p3

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grave abyss]

simplest is to step focus, if you're not using your focus for anything else
and assuming you are always trying to step the same person?

[alpine wraith]

you can make a macro that literally says target=nameoftheplayer

[tepid coral]

Yes worked 🙂

[fallow nimbus]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[fallow nimbus]

what exactly does the cqs do?

[swift tinsel]

cancels a queued spell

[solemn flume]

Why does Overclocked Gear-a-Rang look so good on Bloodmallet?

[topaz raptor]

because bloodmallet doesn't have talents

mandate is 90% of your damage

(10x damage)

[solemn flume]

Hell yeah, thanks Mike. Appreciate the help.

[hazy breach]

For sub specifically it doesnt have any talents

It should be fixed next time they run their sims again

But they dont do it that frequently

[solemn flume]

Myth track chest is the play here then I assume. Was just making sure I wasn't passing on some crazy trinket, lol.

[swift tinsel]

can always sim and exclude the trinket

or include it, bloodmallet is the borked part

[royal quest]

is there a way to sim different flasks? Such as simming between mastery and versa flasks

[swift tinsel]

idk if you can sim them all at once, but you can do a quick sim with each one selected and run diff sims and compare the dps

[alpine wraith]

you can sim them

there is a consumables sim in the #tc-research channel i think

[swift tinsel]

ah nice, first pin

[hazy breach]

Ye but theres effectively no difference between them

[tawdry kiln]

a war just left my key cause i had 900k dps on a pack with 0 cd

I want to cry

[swift tinsel]

yeah I think its like 1k dps between mastery and vers flasks for me

[alpine wraith]

always alchemical chaos

RNG it up

[wild hornet]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[wild hornet]

what was the transmitter flag macro

/use 13
/cast Flagellation
Doesnt seem to be working

[swift tinsel]

is your transmitter in the correct slot

[wild hornet]

yes

its on slot 13

it sometimes works, sometimes it doesnt, usually it doesnt

[lilac stag]

Do you have it (the macro) only on your stealth bar?

[alpine wraith]

trickster

[formal notch]

do i repeat the spread ruptures a few times untill for example 6+ targets?

or is it just a one time press to get it to spread to 2-3 targets?

[hazy breach]

If damage to the targets are relevant and theyll live through your flag yes

[formal notch]

usually on bigger packs on higher M+ that might be the case theyll live trough the flag duration

so for example a huge first pull pack will be me tabbing and spreading the ruptures multiple times before i continue with the rotation

[hazy breach]

Most of the time you just send cds immediately

[lilac stag]

Stuff just doesn’t live long enough

[formal notch]

ah okay, ill just rupture one target then continue, shuriken flag (tab to other) and do one rupture and send it going for shadow evisc's after

is it me btw or does the extra full row of combo points you sometimes get throw me and my shadowstrike/backstab and eviscerate finisher off sometimes

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wind canopy]

Yes, likely because of RS

[formal notch]

what is RS?

[hazy breach]

The 2x rupture talent

That for some reason causes delays with shadowcraft refunds sometimes

[formal notch]

ah so it comes from rupturing twice

[hazy breach]

No

[short radish]

no

it just happens

[hazy breach]

It has nothing to do with rupture

[wind canopy]

It comes from taking the talent

[formal notch]

i miss it loads

because iam so used to getting a full bar of points and then just using a finisher

but is it a bug or is it not?

[wind canopy]

!bugs yes, it’s listed under here

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Bugs - Subtlety Rogue

[formal notch]

athank you

is it a totally random thing then aswell? because i cant replicate it for life and it happens totally randomly for my idea

[bitter kayak]

Is this spec good yet

Haven’t seen anyone playing it since DFA was removed Sadge

[rustic geyser]

wat?

[alpine wraith]

most of us here play it

[bitter kayak]

Just capping on you guys legit though is there any bosses in the raid where you would take sub over sin ?

I like both but logs are just bpm barded with fast kills so nothing I can make of it

[rustic geyser]

there are fights where it can absolutely feel smoother or maybe more dependant on group makeup perhaps

but it's really just a comfort thing between the 2 apart from obvious bosses like brood

[bitter kayak]

Brood and Silken it’s a no brainer

Any good guides for sub you have pinned here ?

[alpine wraith]

any of the ones in the

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[alpine wraith]

or you can see my videos too or the faq

[bitter kayak]

Perfect which of the guides would you recommend

[alpine wraith]

im biased so just wait for someone else to reply lul

[rustic geyser]

totally depends on how you like to learn or how much context/knowledge you're starting with hey, some like the visual aid, but if you need spoken context to grab concepts faster the video guides will 100% better

Like I'll look at an image of an example rotation and be like "oh yeah ok" and leave

[bitter kayak]

I look at something I do it and then I’m good I start practicing

[short radish]

just hit dummies

[rustic geyser]

I have a massive love of peeps who like to make video guides like Had or Whispyr in the sin channel

Some peeps just aren't sly learners from reading material

[short radish]

is the best guide

[rustic geyser]

yeah agreed but you need to have a lot of baseline understanding for dummy tutorials in order to avoid bad habits or knowlege gaps

thats how we end up with the dreaded "feelycraft" pandemic

[bitter kayak]

I respect the videos that go into the small details

Like small mechanics you can get dps increases out of EG for sin with the way of pooling correctly to prevent tea procs etc

[rustic geyser]

especially with sub - this spec is still a little on the odd side with it's short cds, feels fairly flowy to an older hand, but brand new peeps to the spec probably find it really disjointed

[bitter kayak]

It’s a weird spec it just seems to not flow correctly for me like you say

[rustic geyser]

almost everyone I talk to immediately starts off with a fear of just USING dance/symbols

[bitter kayak]

I played it in legion

But I loved it then with DFA

[rustic geyser]

I was a big fan of nighthold/antorus sub too yeah

[bitter kayak]

It amount of burst that was possible was incredible

But even then the way it worked with symbols and shadow dance was weird

[hazy breach]

It has a pretty good flow imo

Its just not super intuitive

[wind canopy]

You have good flow

[rustic geyser]

I think it does now yeah, but then I also liked shadowdust

[hazy breach]

I did setup my stream so i can yoink vods for youtube today, but keys today have been kinda disastrous

[rustic geyser]

I do kinda wish for a day where we'd perhaps see it in a sitch where good/correct play would allow you to maintain dance windows in terms of playstyle

but w/e

[wind canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-yes-gif-5426936545941509697

[rustic geyser]

I Llike it

[hazy breach]

I highly suspect the next tier set is gonna give us some more dance uptime to make it more straight forward

Probably something like get/extend dance on blades casts so we dont need 1½ charges of dance before using cds but can instead just go if we have one charge

[rustic geyser]

yeah something like that owuld be good hey, I feel like a lot more peeps would gravitate towards the spec for feel if that were the case

as is I totally understand when people refer to it as "unintuative"

[lucid jackal]

its really not that unintuitive before

ITs pretty easy

But idk, this spec is just "hard" for people,. always have, likely always will

I can't imagine they could even dumb down the rotation even more than where its at right now

[rustic geyser]

I think so too, but I understand why peeps say it, it has a different baseline to a lot of specs

[hazy breach]

Not using cooldown when theyre ready is hard for a lof of people

[lucid jackal]

even in aberus, when this spec was mega auto pilot, ppl said it was hard

[rustic geyser]

especially when the other half of the spec is centered around fucking sending the short cds - But only correctly

[lucid jackal]

Idk what it is abt sub, it's just so hard for a lot of ppl

[rustic geyser]

it's just because it doesnt quite work the same way as most specs because you have short buff cds that are necessary and not just "helpful"

most specs you can just PLAY without utilising the set up things

kinda like new people playing outlaw and not understanding youre trying to maintain ADR

and they're like trying to save it for big targets etc

"it's my cd though" y'know

[vivid cobalt]

would it ever be worth using skardyn's grace as a second trinket with transmitter for keys? im being offered mythic in my vault

[lucid jackal]

I think it's more just sub is considered the "hard spec" lol so this narrative just continues forever

[lucid jackal]

Never

[wind canopy]

Wasn’t the main unintuitive thing pre-rework just DM stacks?

[rustic geyser]

it's only the hard spec BECAUSE it's unintuitive
most peeps try it out for an afternoon, feel like they don't understand and never return

"too hard"

but almost everyone who gets past that little hump are like "oh OHHHHHHH ohh, got it, nah this isn't bad at all"

[lucid jackal]

Ppl have said sub is hard and obtuse since forever at this point even at its most dumbed down points

[rustic geyser]

felt for the other rogue in my guild on amirdrasil prog, borderline lifetime sin one trick trying to learn sub on the fly one night mid smold prog

[lucid jackal]

I mean dust was unintuitive

And bad

[rustic geyser]

I liked it, I completely understand peeps dislike of it though

[hazy breach]

The way we use macabre is still very unintuitive (aka we dont use it "at all"), transmitter is definitely rough until you get used to it and not having 2x dances up for your cds is gonna tank your damage

But ye its definitely not as hard as people seem to think

[wind canopy]

I think I started playing sub in SL? And that seemed pretty easy iirc. I dunno.

[rustic geyser]

I don't mind transmitter hey, I find it so much easier to use than fucking branch was

I'm like borderline convinced that almost everytime someone says "branch was easy" they actually just used it horribly and never bothered to check

[fallow nimbus]

Transmitter just needs a bit awareness

Jumping 3 times is the best

[sullen hare]

I think pad is my favorite

[narrow shadow]

The platform is the worst wtf

Need to stand there forever

[sullen hare]

I don't like ball because it's tiny

Jump 3x isn't bad though

[lilac stag]

It’s still unintuitive as far as majority of wow specs go because it is different. There’s stuff that we start to take for granted like what is real stealth. The DM stacks (as mentioned), why 2 90 second CDs are not used at the same time. It all adds up while trying to learn it vs playing a dps spec that you hit what’s lit up.

[rustic geyser]

Yeah, thats definitely it, I feel like when you're an older hand to rogue baseline stuff, or even just have an actual solid understanding of spec flow it clicks into place fairly easily.

But the vast majority of players don't have those things. And the majority of specs in the game cater to that lack of context MUCH easier to a newer player

[lilac stag]

rogue just isn’t popular and a lot has to do with the overall gameplay across all three specs. As simple ass assa is, it’s still too much for a lot. Plus our visuals just suck.

[rustic geyser]

But it's one of those things like, when you HAVE the knowledge you have it, you can't go back or see it like that anymore

You're no longer new

But in the OLD days we were all running around with spirit on our gear, or underestimating hit rate etc lol

[narrow shadow]

True

Sub needs better visuals

[warm depot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm depot]

rogue needs better visuals period

[short radish]

give us kyveza animations

[ebon tiger]

uncapped line skillshot called regicide

[warm goblet]

I read it here a while ago, but Nexus prince themed hero talent would have been sick for outlaw/sub

[wind canopy]

Outlaw has one already. Killing Spree

[short radish]

how cool would it be if sectech had regicide animations

with each clone having its own animation

but then you'd get some ppl malding going "my line goes all the way over here. why didn't it hit that mob

[hazy breach]

Nice

[tribal blade]

was hoping for transmitter, but this is the next best thing

[hazy breach]

I just failed a GB15 by 15s because our priest died to the aoe on the last boss at 1%

[tribal blade]

noooooooooo

[hazy breach]

That wouldve been so much score

[tribal blade]

that's the moment everyone sends every single defensive possible

[hazy breach]

I havent done a 14 so it wouldve been huge

Unlucky

[tribal blade]

damn yeah unlucky

[wind canopy]

Depression

[tribal blade]

dw, my guildie and i timed a 14 GB while carrying a bad ret whose key it was

so it's not that bad to get on a 14

[hazy breach]

You say that

[tribal blade]

hahaha

[hazy breach]

But my track record of trying it today has not been good

Had a tank walk of the ledge at the second boss

That was great

[tribal blade]

GB is one of those keys where 1 person makes a mistake

and dies

and everyone dies

[tribal blade]

HAHAAA epic

the last GB i failed i got stunned by a caster in the lavabender's frontal

so i couldn't move out, get 1 shot, running back and the entire group pretty much insta wipes

[hazy breach]

Yep

Fun key

[tribal blade]

i was watching kush's 17 GB they failed

it's a pretty epic one, they bricked it in the same way you did

noahw died on the last 17% of the last boss

and then there's silence in discord except naohw popping off about how mad he is

[tawdry kiln]

Hi guys do you have/know where I can find replays of keys from a sub pov ?

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach

[tribal blade]

there isn't really anyone atm, but i haven't checked in a week or so

[tawdry kiln]

Oh ok, 😔

[pliant topaz]

i did that on my dh!

didnt even know u can fall into the lava

but i dashed like a pro dh

ez

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[light imp]

Whats the talent swap to run first dance? i wanna give it a try

[hazy breach]

weaponmaster is what you would drop

[edgy zenith]

anyone love first boss of ara

when someone goes "rogue why you not hitting adds"

like brother I do legitimately tank damage outside of CDs

it don't matter in all honesty

like first set, I'm not doing dam to

sorry buster

because I just sent the boss to 60% hp

[tribal blade]

depending on the key level as sub you can kinda just sit on the boss if you have a big ranged

but if not just move off boss, spread ruptures and if dance is up just send a dance

[edgy zenith]

yep

but people don't understand sub

so they see me not get off boss on first set

and go "rogue funneling boss gg"

like second set, I'll send a lil dance-y dance

[tribal blade]

it's a little awkward trying to do anything to the adds as sub outside of cds

[edgy zenith]

but first set, you got me fucked up if you think I'm leaving

[left ledge]

how good is TFD on short boss fights

like under 5 min

[hazy breach]

Its worth slightly more than half of WM at a 5 min sim

[hazy breach]

Ye but might aswell run out and get some extra cp ig

[tribal blade]

very true

it at least feels really good to get those adds out as sin

[hazy breach]

If you have vanish up ye, otherwise its a bit meh

[plain zephyr]

Hypothetically.... (please don't tell me to sim it), would you rather have two 639 weapons and go with two Dawnthread linings..... or 1 639 weapon, 1 636 weapon with Ascension and a socket in bracers.

[bleak wind]

why do you think people make decisions like that based on feels

[rustic geyser]

if you're against simming it that implies that you have a preference in a particular direction, so just go with that

the CORRECT answer is to sim it though

[tribal blade]

that's too many variables to feelycraft it i feel

[plain zephyr]

I am not against simming. I overly sim and I am constantly changing my gear for like a 1,000 damage increase.

[bleak wind]

1000 is borderline margin of error, I wouldn't stress over it

[plain zephyr]

That is why I asked what others would do. Especially if you're doing M+ and raiding.

It's like so close that I'm curious.

[wind canopy]

It's just whatever you prefer at that point. It really doesn't matter.

Like Annsie said, it's basically margin of error

[deft oar]

did tricks always go away on death

[long burrow]

It is bad to macro transmitter to flag?

[hazy breach]

No its completely fine

The ideal time to finish the task is for the sectech cast

But a few seconds earlier or later isnt the end of the world

[mighty delta]

is deathstalker significantly ahead on sikran and nexus princess? if not i prefer the way trickster plays unless that isnt ideal

[hazy breach]

Its not ahead at all

Theyre both the same on ST

[mighty delta]

ok perfect tyty

[clear trail]

Anybody happen to have just a standalone symbol charge tracker? My WA set doesnt track the charges of it but I dont wanna change my wa pack LOL

[wind canopy]

Just add a %s text in display for the SoD WA

[clear trail]

You smart af thank you

[chrome fern]

is it worth playing Deathstalker just so i don't have to feel bad about not sectec'ing on cd

[sullen hare]

Nope

[crystal rain]

got transmitter today