#subtlety

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storm vault
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I was told the boe items are still on gear tracks but AH ui doesn't show that. Is it true?

barren tree
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been raiding since week 1 heroic and i've never seen a transmitter drop in raid and vault for both my dk and rogue 😢

storm vault
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Cause 400k for a myth belt with socket doesn't sound bad

hazy breach
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As an example

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storm vault
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Neat. Ill sell some keys then grab one

mental comet
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time for another week of will i get transmitter or not

hazy breach
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@pliant topaz "Was sub buffed or something, what the fuck is that boss damage"

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Random hunter in lfg is a believer now

keen dome
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Convert them all, one person at a time.

pliant topaz
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I did 2.1M on the double boss in COT 14 the other day (with aug but still)

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then did 1.7M on the third boss

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sub stonks fr fr

keen dome
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Hell yeah, some powerful blasting

bitter dagger
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Its just so satisfying to perform as a god on a spec people have the general opinion of being bad because "nobody plays it"

hazy breach
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Checked some logs and some top outlaws are doing like 2M+ on it 💀

keen dome
pliant topaz
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we get some nice extra damage on it

strange chasm
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GB first boss is the same

lilac stag
keen dome
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Hell yeah

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Blastin'

lilac stag
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FDK in mists

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i think he was pissed some of the packs got demolished

keen dome
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Haha

lilac stag
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all same ilvl as well

keen dome
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The boss damage we can bring is really nice. Def feels like it makes a good difference at the 10's level.

vale pine
pliant topaz
edgy zenith
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yo, anyone know a fix to the plater thing where you can't see Blood Parasite casts anymore? happened like 3 weeks ago after an update to Plater

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kinda need to know when to send blind instead of just doing it off of feel like I have been lmao

tender zenith
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So Blackpoweder still sees no play in AoE right?

still trellis
half comet
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i have mythic skardyn and sacbrood but hero transmitter/mandate does that mean I should just run sin for mythic ansurek

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since it doesnt rly matter waht u play to my knowledge

keen dome
strange chasm
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Outlaw rogue was doing 2.4

still trellis
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cant get my head around premed gaming

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where i delay blades and whatnot

keen dome
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Haha yeah, same. I sometimes do it without thinking

foggy orchid
still trellis
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is it a big difference tho? like from what im doing

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minmaxing premed that is

still trellis
strange chasm
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I don't think any dks are swapping to unholy lmao

foggy orchid
tender zenith
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I love how they try to translate that to regular keys

strange chasm
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Unholy ofc will be insane when in mdi they pull the entire dungeon in 1-2 pulls lmao

serene notch
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are we running tornado in M+? I asked before and was told no but fuu's build shows we take it. Murlok is showing mostly not.

lucid jackal
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FUCK tornado

serene notch
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seems like it would pair well with the BP buff in my mind

tight bloom
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You never BP

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(Playing trickster)

serene notch
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seems like +DPS on >5 targets

tight bloom
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When you are playing trickster, you can consider BP around 12 targets (depending on FW)

strange chasm
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FUCK BP

tight bloom
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Above it’s evis

serene notch
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I know i burst higher on NW pull 1 using BP

edgy zenith
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yeah but the pull will more than likely last longer. just use Evis on the big guy, it's chill

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Sub is ethical dam

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do ethical dam

vale pine
torn island
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I got the 13

edgy zenith
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is that DM?

torn island
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Yuh

edgy zenith
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how the fuck do you get 13 stacks of that?

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does sub even have 13 buttons?

torn island
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They didn’t believe me

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I told em

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They laughed at me

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lol

vale pine
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10 sec dance

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you start with 1 stack

alpine wraith
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12

vale pine
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still not sure how you get 13

alpine wraith
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you get 1 initial

torn island
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It’s technically a 12 second dance

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With first dance

vale pine
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oh

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ye

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then its poossible

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tho you need to use some very

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inefficient spells

edgy zenith
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this guy out here pressing Shuriken Toss

vale pine
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shiv too probably

torn island
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Yeah and the reward you get from using said inefficient spells is 54 second slice and dice

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😄

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So if you can’t fight

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Don’t use this

edgy zenith
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you gotta send a sectech at the end of that, tell me how hard it hits for

torn island
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I think the animation throws it out of the time frame window

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but I’ll see

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animation time*

edgy zenith
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go 12 then if you need to

torn island
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Oh gotcha

topaz raptor
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does getting the 13th stack after the sectech cast still increase its damage

edgy zenith
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probably not

torn island
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no

mental comet
edgy zenith
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doing a weekly 10 and ended up sending the second boss of Ara home

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this is why Sub is playable

glacial hinge
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
still trellis
edgy zenith
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if he did I didn't get a cut

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😡

lilac stag
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I forgot it’s mad queen affix week

lilac stag
edgy zenith
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gives a lot of dance cdr

keen dome
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Hell yeah, one down.

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spark tusk
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nice!

lilac stag
strange chasm
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
still trellis
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also whats mad queen affix

uncut bloom
still trellis
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not that

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my skardyns is gonna be off cd every key

quaint karma
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Hello, this might be a stupid question but did we get anything new that refunds combo points outside of during symbols? I feel like sometimes i get full combo points during my dance windows but like 1-2 seconds after a spender usually secret technique and i cant figure out what

alpine wraith
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yea that is a bug with replicating shadows

quaint karma
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aah okay so i wasn't crazy atleast thats good

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thank you!

timid jolt
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Bruh I’m casual af but sub is awesome, kinda nice to plan attacks etc

vale pine
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11.0.5 and the introduction of supercharger was good

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a lot better tuned due to bugfixes and indirect buffs too

bitter dagger
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Question. Do you all run TFD now or still going with the left path on the tree? To me it feels like TFD really activates the spec in dungeons

hazy breach
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TFD is really good in dungeons yes

uncut bloom
hazy breach
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Or rather, WM is kinda pointless

bitter dagger
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Yeah, but TFD is only good if you get time between packs

hazy breach
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So might aswell run tfd, you only need like 3 or 4 resets a dungeon for it to be better than WM

bitter dagger
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Make that talent base and put another talent there instead. Everything feels wrong if I don't have it now

alpine wraith
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you can always stay behind a bit

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most of the time it is worth

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do know that some heals can grief you

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with their hots

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i do wish it was like 4 or 3 secs instead of 6 thio

bitter dagger
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Yeah, that's what I'm doing now but it is what it is. Just happy is feels really comfortable to play again

edgy zenith
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tornado should not be 60 energy. way too much

lusty solar
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
torn island
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Sec tech 1 mill on the 12th stack

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Or 11th not sure, went to 12 after I clicked on sec tech

native zodiac
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anyone has the string to add into the sim for simming races by chance

rustic raven
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Which refunds 2 thirds of it

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Then ur spamming finishers which refund more

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By almost always i mean ur literally always casting symbols after u cast tornado

edgy zenith
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yes but when I'm running into a pack in M+ spam rupturing and then want to send flag into nado and blast, I can't

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and if I really want to actually just send it, I can SoD into Nado, but then I can't use my all buttons macro because I'll use another SoD charge

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it's just a small grievance

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QoL change that would actually feel nice that wouldn't actually buff our numbers at all

mortal geyser
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!wa

wicked joltBOT
chilly tree
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
short radish
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yeah reducing it by like

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20 energy or something

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or just making it not cost a gcd

slate basin
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how many targets is black powder better than evis for trickster?

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or is evis just always better?

hazy breach
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LIke 12ish

slate basin
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wow that many even after the 35% buff?

hazy breach
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yes

slate basin
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good to know ty

hazy breach
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And thats assuming you dont care about doing priority damage to a specific mob

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Like if theres one dude with more health than all the smallies its often the best play to eviscerate anyway even though BP would technically do more damage

slate basin
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the one and only thing anyone should ever care about is overall dmg 🙂

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no yeah but there are some big pulls this season where there isn't an obvious prio target

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not many but a few

slate basin
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@hazy breach what about backstab? is there a target limit where we backstab / shuriken storm?

hazy breach
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Storm at 2

slate basin
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ok ty

light imp
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Unless you're playing trickster and you dont hace flawless form up. Backstsab until you get a proc for nimble flurry lol

vague oar
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ngl. i've been raiding as trickster for most of this tier. i still don't actually know what it does other than make me passive aoe sometimes

modern marten
gaunt finch
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Is double Elemental focus better than Ascension/banding? Just curious

hazy breach
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Technically yes on pure ST but all embellishments are pissweak so it doesnt really matter

crisp lion
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im talented into so tricky but my trick only last 30s? am i stupid?

hazy breach
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No, you need to hit something during those 30s

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And it will be 60m

crisp lion
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oh okay, and it doesn't persist through death right?

hazy breach
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It does

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Or well, through the tanks death

flint oar
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I can't replicate this, but if you can I'd be interested in knowing how.

(I reworked sub rogue for the addon last week)

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Were you level 80?

gilded ferry
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we use replicating even on sikran?

hazy breach
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Yes

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All the options you have for that point blow

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The 20% extra rupture damage is just the least bad option

sullen hare
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polo

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!macro

wicked joltBOT
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Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
strange chasm
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
gilded ferry
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is there any reason on why flag does not reset on wipes?

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sometimes it does

sullen hare
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It shouldn't, because it's an under 2 min cooldown

hazy breach
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Ye it doesnt reset, generally only 120 or longer cooldown do

strange chasm
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Anyone got the ids of potions

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for a macro

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starting with fleeting and going down?

hazy breach
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I use an addon called potbot that does the same thing

strange chasm
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!wa

wicked joltBOT
lucid jackal
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My vanish keeps breaking

strange chasm
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bro why does coup have to dash

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taking me out of soak on queen lmao

native zodiac
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it also pulls you out of the air

shy scarab
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
tepid trellis
deft oar
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sub on ovinax actually felt good, no point in swapping to sin for one boss now

short radish
strange chasm
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also transmitter is omega troll on this fight

tepid trellis
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nah it aint bad, once you get used to it

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just have to aim it

native zodiac
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platform 1 can be a bit aids if you get the stand in circle one and the tanks moves the mob

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otherwise its not that bad

strange chasm
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We kinda blasting though. 19 pulls and we already got to shield phase

tepid trellis
tepid trellis
native zodiac
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ye i did that, sometimes the mob moved quick sometimes it didnt

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was weird

strange chasm
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once you can start doing P1 clean?

tepid trellis
native zodiac
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it doesnt

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p3 is fun but way to short

lucid jackal
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Guys

tepid trellis
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p2/p3 is aite

lucid jackal
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@tepid trellis I'm thinking about making a youtube video breaking down sub on queen what are ur thoughts on that

native zodiac
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i thought p2 was the worst tbh

tepid trellis
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cuz then i dont have to worry about it

lucid jackal
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THeres a lot of random small stuff u know

tepid trellis
lucid jackal
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Holding CD for webs, stepping the proper target

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How to play P3

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and P1 really

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Feels like a bunch of small things U can easily mess up

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Less so about damage more about game theory kwim

tepid trellis
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well i guess if you mean hold cds you mean the 1:30 set moved to 1:55

lucid jackal
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Yeah

native zodiac
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hold secret tech to pad on webs mingo

pliant topaz
short radish
sand patio
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hey if only sod and sectec are up, I use both or wait for dance to sod+dance+sectec?

strange chasm
pliant topaz
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yeah i hate all of you

strange chasm
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😛

pliant topaz
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its okay atleast my sin is getting giga juiced

pliant topaz
native zodiac
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we had 1 kyveza trinket

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in 4 kills

tepid trellis
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we had 2 across 3 kills

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transmitters that is

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we also got 2 of the other one

pliant topaz
wind canopy
native zodiac
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thought my guild had bad rng

umbral apex
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My guild has been DE’ing transmitters and contracts for 2 weeks now

steel horizon
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oh man this weeks affix is throwing off my cd alignment lol

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i go to use flag and realize transmitter still has like 10-15s on cd lol

strange chasm
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@lucid jackal Maybe ur right 😛

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Web damage

lucid jackal
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I'm always right

mighty delta
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for trinkets rn i have two that are equip abilities (higher ilevel) - should i have an on use? and if so, which can i try to get from m+

near rivet
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oh boy

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strange chasm
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it smashes them

steel horizon
native zodiac
mighty delta
strange chasm
native zodiac
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nah

strange chasm
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feel like that second one is tough

native zodiac
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first one you prob not hit with a sectech yeah

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2 3 and 4 you do though

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i personally only did 1 dance in intermission and moved one dance into p1 for boss damage

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it kinda lined up on 4th webs that way

strange chasm
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ok yeah sub can hella pad on webs lmao

native zodiac
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ye sub is easily the best class for webs

tepid trellis
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i did not hold for webs

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only set we actually killed any on was third

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and that was 3 people

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so cba that shit

sullen hare
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Makes sense

native zodiac
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i mean you dont realy hold it just naturally lines up kinda

strange chasm
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Yeah it kinda naturally lines up

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Since you are holding for 15s and sending flag at 1:46

native zodiac
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yup

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i send another dance at 2:16 and then only 1 dance in intermission

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as shield dmg was kinda irrelevant

wild hornet
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Always max

wild hornet
tribal blade
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
hazy breach
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Its up for the platform even if you hold

jaunty heath
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is there some graphic setting I can turn on to help see the orb and collect mechanic for the transmitter trinket?

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I am struggling with this on m ulgrax i can't see shit below the boss he's so big

pliant topaz
wicked joltBOT
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The orb and circle from Treacherous Transmitter always spawn in the same spot. Relative to how your character is facing it spawns northeast/1:30 o'clock/frontright, this means you can know where it will spawn and react accordingly.
https://i.imgur.com/cTPN4Tz.png

Imgur
pliant topaz
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any weakauras u get generally tell you either its a "collect" (which means either orb or stand in circle but doesnt tell u which) or jump

jaunty heath
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so I should almost be further out of the boss

pliant topaz
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theres no buff associated with it

jaunty heath
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so I can spawn it in a more visible position

pliant topaz
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yea

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u can plan where it spawns

jaunty heath
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okay I'll try that

pliant topaz
jaunty heath
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I'm like losing buttons because I can't see the thing lol

lucid jackal
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Good news, you don't need gnome anymore as long as ur group has like, a fury, and any other residual damage

strange chasm
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yeah gnome is just better for prog though

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I feel

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Once you are no longer progging then anything probably works

native zodiac
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i swapped of gnome insta

strange chasm
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dwarf too bis for keys

native zodiac
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i went orc

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dont realy plan on pushing

lucid jackal
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Its only "better" if you actually need it

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U dont actually need it lol

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The issue before was vanish was damage so U had to sequence ur stuff in a way that works for it

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But if U can just deal with it without gnome, then like, might as well not be gnome

native zodiac
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you could kinda like vanish cloak break vanish technically if you realy dont want to break on 2nd

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but 3rd you are breaking people anyways

strange chasm
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whats best break currently

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vanish cloak gnome vanish?

native zodiac
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im pretty sure with the current damage you can break on 2nd aswell, atleast in my raid

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with gnome you do gnome cloak gnome vanish

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atleast i did that

strange chasm
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That lets you use vanish in opener right

native zodiac
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ye

lucid jackal
tepid trellis
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i just did Cloak-gnome-vanish-gnome

native zodiac
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dont you lose a vanish like that though

tepid trellis
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well vanish kinda does fuck all

native zodiac
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i guess

wild hornet
tepid trellis
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yeah so point proven

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fuck all

edgy zenith
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is it normally to have sectech hit for less than evis?

lucid jackal
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Isn't sectec the hits. And then the clones

edgy zenith
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yeah, details only show your attack I believe in the crit max part

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but it's weird to see Evis have a higher max crit than even your phys part of sectech

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first time for me anyway

tepid trellis
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setech should hit harder

edgy zenith
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then wtf happened here

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it was in a NW

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are there damage amps in that dungeon?

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don't think so, right?

lucid jackal
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Doesn't the spear make the targer take bonus damage

edgy zenith
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don't think so, just extra crit, right?

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oh wait, it's just a flat 20% damage buff

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that makes sense then, because pot wasn't up until after my sectech during the burn

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nvm

tribal blade
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wish you guys could see NA's trade chat right now

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it's literally non stop politics

lucid jackal
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Headless horseman is funny

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vale pine
lucid jackal
vale pine
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haha

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great

lucid jackal
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i MEAN HES LITERALLY DYING IN 20 SECONDS

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jUST DOESN'T GET A CHANCE TO PROC TWICE LOL

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caps

vale pine
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tbh i like the scewed scaling

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nobody cares because its a event boss

fair anchor
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looks like tier gloves right ? I play a bunch of assa in keys so I'm tempted by spyglass but it doesnt even seem that good, even tho I probably will not have access to myth Kyveza trinkets this season

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vale pine
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spyglass is fine as a passive option

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but overall its just

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transmitter + x

fair anchor
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yeah

vale pine
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x can be any of the passive options

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or queens

fair anchor
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even 639 spyglass sims only as a +0.4% upgrade over 619 ritual knife tho 😄

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639 gloves sims way higher

vale pine
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so e.g.
Raid: Contract or Queens
Mythic+: Egg trinket or probably sspyglass
Delves: the trinket with shadowblades as icon

fair anchor
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I will never have myth mandate or contrat this season, doubt my guild goes past Ovinax :p

vale pine
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oh ye ritual knife that is

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ritual knife you can also cloak the debuff

fair anchor
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oh

vale pine
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if its a bad one

fair anchor
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cool

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idk the upgrade from spyglass is so small I might just take gloves

vale pine
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ye probably not worth

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its still fine

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but raid has many good options

fair anchor
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same for assa in dungeon slice

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maybe I will wait until myth Sikran kill this week and see if I get the token hehe

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thanks anyway

vale pine
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i don't like haste

short radish
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man mythic insignia is really shit even with the verse proc

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fair anchor
short radish
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fuck haste

fair anchor
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at least using catalyst on boots is really good if you wanna go for that

vale pine
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true

frail bone
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Is the queen ring good at all for sub, I got it on warbound in my heroic alt clear debating to put it on my lowly geared rogue or warrior.

vale pine
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yes

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queens ring is rly good

shell lance
near rivet
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sim it

vale pine
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ring and queens both are good

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but follow eciu's advise

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ask the robot, he will tell

shell lance
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Yes when i go home from work i sim thanks guys!!!!

alpine wraith
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mythic ring is around 0.4% better than crafted for me

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likely unless i get it on vault im never getting it

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because we get circlet too

umbral dome
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Hey there, does cloak immune wrest? No pull no web?

alpine wraith
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you still get pulled

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just take no dmg

frail bone
unkempt trench
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is substats mastery or versatility ahead atm?

frail bone
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oh is that an embellishment?

unkempt trench
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trying to decide if i socket with mastery gem vs versatility gem

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onyx vs saphhire

alpine wraith
frail bone
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oh my bad sorry totally forgot about taht

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im in here looking through the current gear saying to myself ok im either dumb or blind lol

keen dome
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Why does the game keep giving me this instead of giving me something nice for Sub. There are needy Assa rogues out there who could make use of this!

topaz tundra
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Hello, a German-speaking person who can contact me via private message for rogue support? My English is not good enough to get help here😔 please write to me in German, rogue- rotation, addons, damage

cloud rover
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and i already have it

keen dome
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I'm gonna win transmitter in my morning clear now

hidden spade
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Can we macro Transmitter to Flag/Blades?

vale pine
vestal escarp
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erm

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what the sigma

vale pine
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congrats

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nicuu

vestal escarp
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can replace the lfr one Laughge

vale pine
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oh wow lfr, thats unlucky

keen dome
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Congrats though

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biiiig upgrade

keen dome
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Yoooo, I looted the Acdic Attendant BoE in my heroic pug

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today's my day

hardy falcon
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Yo guys, I have Treacherous 616 (Hero track) or Skardyn 623 (Myth track) in vault. Treacherous sims absurdly higher : is it this absurdly good in raid and m+ ? Is it a pain to use ?

next valley
hardy falcon
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and Skardyn being a 2min is annoying

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Guess I'll go Treacherous, won't have to farm HM again and again hoping to drop it

alpine wraith
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yes transmitter is quite a bit better for sub

hardy falcon
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Thanks ! Will wait for HM reclear tomorrow to see if I get it, else I'll take it. I have myth track legs set that would be also nice in vault

grave delta
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How annoying is the brood egg trinket to play

lilac stag
grave delta
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Don't judge my normal mode transmitter

hardy falcon
round latch
keen dome
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Another week of killing heroic Kyveza and another lack of monumentally strong trinket

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I hate this loot system.

sly shore
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how much would I sim as sub

leaden prairie
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check outlaw peeposmile

sly shore
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I don't even have a weapon

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💀

wild hornet
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It would be really funny to get transmutter on raidfinder vault

daring raptor
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i see deathstalker is simmin better for sub rogue. Is it still bugged or is deathstlaker actually better now ?

jaunty heath
sly shore
jaunty heath
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hey you...

sly shore
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identical

jaunty heath
wild hornet
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Gnome players

sly shore
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not a gnoblin

wild hornet
sly shore
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it was not my choice ok

jaunty heath
wild hornet
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Actually no dwarves are the worst

daring raptor
#

wait is it better to craft a ring than the very rare ?

wild hornet
#

Fuck dwarves all my homies hate dwarves

sly shore
#

ring just universally good craft tbh

jaunty heath
#

so ring craft is better

leaden prairie
#

you even drop a weapon from first boss

sly shore
#

how have I never gone outlaw lootspec even once the entire patch!!!!

leaden prairie
#

stay focused kieron !

daring raptor
jaunty heath
sly shore
#

queen ring still good

#

would upgrade myth track items before crafting 636

#

especially this late into patch

daring raptor
vale pine
lilac stag
sly shore
#

Trickster is in there somewhere

carmine portal
#

this goes crazy

Capture67.JPG
lilac stag
#

Name checks out

alpine wraith
#

you mean the tank trinket that reduces aggro?

carmine portal
#

I had a gd vault so can't be mad but

daring raptor
#

So is trickster the play or deathstalker for single target now.
It is still trickster right ?

#

sims are just broken right?

vale pine
#

sims are not broken but deathstalker is not that far ahead of it

#

and is gameplay wise worse

daring raptor
#

kk

#

was thinking the same

pale cairn
#

Can you use Cloak for the dispell debuff on Court as a def cd or does it dispell the debuff so it jumps?

glacial hinge
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
keen dome
#

I'm never getting transmitter because it never drops! Aaaaa. Such a dumb system.

lilac stag
#

S4 you will. kekdog

#

Sorry. That was mean

keen dome
#

Accurate though!

#

Week 9? of killing her N/H and seeing it drop a total of one time. And never getitng it in vault. It's really silly how you can be completely fucked on loot RNG like this. Bring on determinisc loooot.

lilac stag
#

it’s really bad when one item makes / breaks a spec

keen dome
#

I had the same problem with getting the Smolderon trinket. Took me like three months and then had to buy the drop for 100k.

keen dome
#

I'd like to see some level of determinism come in. I feel like after a month of trying, you should be able to buy 1 specific item from a boss.

lilac stag
#

ye

alpine wraith
#

i managed to get normal because 3 dropped

#

then finally got mythic the other day

#

if it dropped on hc i always lost it

#

or with guild it never dropped

gilded ferry
#

is it harder to parse with sub

#

like, less ppl or something

#

just want to get out of the blues at this point sadCat

jaunty umbra
#

only godlikes here

candid mural
#

Had the same problem Problem until it dropped in heroic chest....

keen dome
lilac stag
alpine wraith
#

yes it is hard to parse

lilac stag
#

I had a high blue Rasha last night. Now green. kekdog

#

Was second overall dps. lol

raw ivy
#

oh lord

#

Ty i thought i was really bad at sub

lilac stag
#

There’s just no parses

raw ivy
#

but parsing blue is not that hgorrible on myth

#

?

lilac stag
#

So it’s really hard to tell

#

kill times impact a lot and like going down only once on blood vs twice messes that up

alpine wraith
#

my 97 went to 76 over a day yes

raw ivy
#

i am now progressing on ovinax and parsing blue in average

lilac stag
#

Line your sectech better

raw ivy
#

i sectech each pop of add

lilac stag
#

We’re on ovi as well. Purple average for now.

raw ivy
#

ah nice

lilac stag
#

You should have 2 each add

alpine wraith
#

but yea unless you are super geared it is hard to parse

lilac stag
#

if on ovi I’m assuming 630 ish

#

Maybe not

raw ivy
#

yea but the second sectech doesnt hit too much add

#

they are almost all dead

haughty mural
keen dome
#

I parse blue on some of my Heroic rekills where I'm top DPS by 200k, haha.

alpine wraith
#

well we are talking about a 7-8min fight

lilac stag
#

maybe your group just better at killing em

alpine wraith
#

second adds are whatever in the grand scheme

#

just be consistent and do good dmgh

#

i have a whole writeup about that boss that is why after doing rasha nan likely i wont post until weekend

lilac stag
#

It was funny seeing the parse split for g1 vs g2 on blood. With our kill time that g1 was all purple. G2 was all green. lol

keen dome
#

hah

alpine wraith
#

my idea is to fill this img with the timers for cds and also do a normal table like the smolderon one

keen dome
#

That'd be cool

alpine wraith
haughty mural
alpine wraith
#

there are some in between points that are important because you need to send sec tech alone or not depending on add istuations

raw ivy
#

you mean its better to hold flag blade at 3:30 instead of 3:00

keen dome
raw ivy
#

for example

alpine wraith
#

yes

haughty mural
alpine wraith
#

i wish i could use my coin tockens

#

for extra gilded

#

im full on sockets already

#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

keen dome
#

yeee

alpine wraith
#

like 6 tokens for 60 gilded

plush roost
#

I got my last socket slot today

alpine wraith
#

not counting cap

plush roost
#

Praying for good vault loot now

#

Or a myth helmet to put a socket into

alpine wraith
#

i will use engi helmet

#

eventually

plush roost
#

Whats the benefit of engi helmet on sub?

raw ivy
#

so you cd at the begining at 1:30 , 3:30 5:15 and what about the last?

alpine wraith
#

not much

#

apart from BIG MASTERY

alpine wraith
#

for ex now we skip last 2 sets of adds

raw ivy
#

yes

alpine wraith
#

in my guild

plush roost
#

Is mastery more important than verse now? Thought it was pretty close in value

#

Haven't peeped sub much since 10.0.5

alpine wraith
#

that is why i send pot at the triple spiders before third canister

plush roost
#

Or w.e patch number we're on

alpine wraith
#

then use cds as they come because we have noa dds anyway

gilded ferry
#

but i guess, its kinda harder to parse rasha with warrior in comp

alpine wraith
#

also first dance makes it A LITTLE better

#

rasha nan adds dont count

#

so the parse is whatever

#

it is full st

plush roost
#

Interesting, I'll keep that in mind when I get to Ansurek and Silken

raw ivy
#

huuuu

alpine wraith
#

but also people are 634-635 already

raw ivy
#

they count now

#

no?

gilded ferry
#

also, how does WCL account for the raid buffs?

#

those % you get for completing the quest

hazy breach
#

It doesnt

gilded ferry
#

thank god

alpine wraith
#

it is a buff on you

hazy breach
#

Or like

gilded ferry
#

its whitelisted then

hazy breach
#

It counts the damage you do

#

But you should have the finery quest ones anyway

alpine wraith
#

no more like it just works because it adds a flat %

#

rn we are at 5

#

or something a bit below that

plush roost
#

2.5% every other week iirc

#

Till 17.5%?

alpine wraith
#

it gets to 18

#

someone told me it is 2.25

plush roost
#

Ah that would make more sense then

#

16 weeks

wispy pebble
pulsar mauve
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
sand patio
short radish
lilac stag
wispy pebble
sand patio
wispy pebble
mental comet
#

are there any other on use trinkets worth using besides mandate? clear norm/hc every week since week 1 and no transmitter yet getting desperate

sand patio
#

stacking to go big

dawn robin
#

I'm popping between Sub and Outlaw- are there dungeons where one spec is generally better than the others?

alpine wraith
#

sub is quite good in mists cot and nw dawnbreaker

#

other ones are whatever

#

you cn get some extra power in grim batol for ex by using SoD before going into dragons and speedshroud to make people go faster

dawn robin
#

Gotcha, thank you for that

timid jolt
#

Hey still learning spec and leveling but wondering for aoe should I be using black powder after shur storm

alpine wraith
#

if you are deathstalker yea if you are trickster you still eviscerate if flawless form is up

#

if you still dont have hero talents you bp mostly for aoe yes

paper iron
#

Fuu

#

i was reading through wowhead and i found an error 🥺

#

The the 🥺

#

In the rotation section, about optimisation

shell lance
#

one question contract is good for assa and sub right?

alpine wraith
#

yea it is fine

shell lance
#

ok thanks

paper iron
#

Skardyn is a bit better for assa but nothing gamebreaking difference, both kinda do the same. Just transmitter being a 90s is extra good for sub

#

ahve they changed something about stances in the patch :o I used to have dance and strike on the same bind but now when i vanish > strike it vanish > dance which is definitly not ideal

alpine wraith
#

you cant dance strike anymore no

#

they broke that one

paper iron
#

:(

gilded ferry
#

like feral druids in general

vale pine
paper iron
#

💜

mental comet
broken grotto
#

When should we be aiming to use mad queens mandate?

lilac stag
#

Asap outside cds

broken grotto
#

Thank you.

alpine wraith
#

so if you have at least 2 charges of SoD

#

you can snap 2

#

and get 4 chargers

mental comet
#

o

eternal abyss
#

!wa

wicked joltBOT
golden totem
#

catalysing very rare cloak for 0.1%

vale pine
#

0.1%

#

damn

#

big gains

golden totem
#

im not doing that btw

vale pine
#

a socket might be a good alternative

#

if you don't have all sockets already

golden totem
#

missing one

#

but i'm going on the very rare

#

0.4% still

vale pine
#

not bad

golden totem
#

and 2 more ilvl is big for ego

#

btw i did some 10s on sub last week and new sub felt very good

#

was wondering where we're at with the evis/bp treshold

vale pine
#

11.0.5 is rly nice

#

the first dance is also nice if you haven't tried it

golden totem
#

instead of wm ?

vale pine
#

i like this talent setup currently

golden totem
#

i don't mind tornado

vale pine
#

you can use tornado too instead of vt

golden totem
#

do we have any treshold for blackpowder with those builds ?

vale pine
#

but yes wm -> tfd

vale pine
golden totem
#

i kinda got stuck with evis all the way

vale pine
#

depends on find weakness uptime

golden totem
#

oh

vale pine
#

so most of the time, just evis

golden totem
#

if fw is up on every target, better to bp ?

vale pine
#

no

#

but find weakness uptime on your enemies is important for bp damage

#

(same for nimble flurry tho)

candid mural
#

isn't exhilerating execution always better than 8% heal?

vale pine
#

both are close

#

so pick what you prefere

#

elusivness is also better than cheat death in certain keys esp. on high levels

alpine wraith
#

elu is always better objectively

#

unleeesss you only make ONE mistake over 6 mins and it is not a dot

#

and healer is awake to heal you after

wide sonnet
#

How is sub aoe right now

lilac stag
#

Above average. Not assa levels.

#

Makes up for it with boss dmg in keys.

wide sonnet
#

Hmm

#

Where would you put the dmg at?

Outlaw is 2.5-3mil
Sin is up to 7.8mil.

#

I saw sub and trickster talents, looks fun. Might try.

lilac stag
#

Assa does 1.8m in a key. It sucks on bosses. Sub dies 1.6-7 in keys and melts bosses. Pick your poison.

wide sonnet
#

Melting bosses sounds fun

lilac stag
#

If you worry about topping details assa right now will win

#

Sub is very good spot and more tanky with high vers

wide sonnet
#

Yes but also fun factor is most important. Outlaw still wins so far. But it's lowest aoe.

lilac stag
#

Play what you enjoy.

half fable
#

what makes sub more tanky btw?

wide sonnet
#

Just read the talents

half fable
#

thanks man

wide sonnet
#

Many survival talents hehe

#

I read them the other night and was like wow

half fable
#

i see 10% less damage when dance and something else is all

wide sonnet
#

More survival than outlaw

#

Without the run speed tho

#

I was playing with sub buffs

#

500k rupture goes to 1mil with everything up

#

Pretty coo

#

I have a lot of vers/mast gear also

#

Which I hear favors sub

timid jolt
#

I just started myself and trying to wrap my head around the rotation but feels good

edgy zenith
#

yo, when is simc gonna get fixed?

#

been like 1.5 weeks

alpine wraith
#

what do you want fixed there are no issues

edgy zenith
#

yep, looking normal

timid jolt
#

When do I use shadow blades, after shadow dance yeah?

tepid trellis
#

w/e we send in a new profile for them

tepid trellis
wide sonnet
#

Is sub still the harder rotation

#

Like planning your cooldowns for phases

vale pine
vale pine
wicked joltBOT
timid jolt
tepid trellis
#

mid dance

edgy zenith
lilac stag
edgy zenith
#

what trinket you guys use in keys? mandate so you can nuke bosses or?

lilac stag
#

mandate this week for affix

timid jolt
edgy zenith
#

anyone using crystal?

timid jolt
#

No idea why but nothing makes sense haha in time I suppose stupid adhd 😂😂

lilac stag
#

you can. It’s transmitter + x

edgy zenith
#

yeah, was just wondering how good crystal was

lilac stag
#

Your second trinket is w/e. queens is good this week because it 1 shots affix

grave abyss
#

what's the name of the spawned affix NPC? I wanna make a macro

hollow roost
#

hi all, can someone explain why this trinket skyrocketed so high? Overclocked Gear-a-Rang Launcher?

#

does it proc with nimble flurry?

tough knot
#

Smells like sim bait

pliant topaz
#

bloodmallet sims arent correct yet for those ignore it.

#

they sim with talents but no gera

hollow roost
#

it wasnt this high week ago, even 2 days ago

vale pine
#

!sheet

wicked joltBOT
vale pine
topaz raptor
warm marlin
# hollow roost

The submitted sims for sub are broken and just pressing backstab so any flat damage trinket looks very good

#

Or at least that’s what is happening on simulationcraft, I assume bloodmallet is pulling from there

vestal escarp
#

replicating on ST with the bug is...

teal prawn
#

!wa

wicked joltBOT
vale pine
worldly jetty
#

Is sub hard to play compared to ass/out?

haughty mural
paper iron
#

define hard

haughty mural
#

i feel that

worldly jetty
#

Like to learn. Is it a fast spec ?

paper iron
#

slower than outlaw for sure, kinda similar / faster than assa

#

way slower out of CDs tho

worldly jetty
#

I see thanks 🙂

paper iron
#

and about learning it, i think there are a loooot of stuff synergising with x and y and sometimes z and understanding it all can be tough, but sub breakdown to a sequence spec that does the same button in the same order at the same time over and over

#

at least to me that s how i always felt sub, hard to understand but not hard to play, if that makes sens

hazy breach
#

Where else do i change it besides in the profile lmao

real panther
#

is there a problem with simulationcraft about rogue subs? Bloodmalet trinket list is still shiet 😦

vale pine
alpine wraith
#

so it is krangled

void hound
#

whats the current black powder cut off for trickster

#

5 targets right?

hazy breach
#

12

void hound
#

huh, i thought it was much lower since the buffs

upper narwhal
#

Evis hits 8 targets so it's always gonna be more than 8

scarlet heath
#

hello dracthyr_wave if I wanted to use Shiv in the recommended talent build for the soothe utility, what talent should I drop? maybe Rushed Setup, I assume?

quartz prism
#

is there a spammable symbols of death macro? i used to have modifier binds for my spells with + symbold or +tea/symbol/dance but with symbols having charges its not spammable anymore

#

i tried /cast !symbols of death

pliant topaz
#

!symbols

wicked joltBOT
#

How to Use Symbols of Death:
Symbols of Death is used with 3 or less seconds of the Symbols of Death buff remaining or if the buff is not up.
Watch your Shadow Dance cooldown before using Symbols of Death. If Shadow Dance is not on cooldown or if the remaining cooldown is lower than 10 seconds it is usually better to delay the Symbols of Death cast till after Shadow Dance.

pliant topaz
#

hmm the macros not in that one?

#

its just a cast sequence

#

u cast sequence it so u cant recast it within 2 seconds

quartz prism
#

hmm kinda feels it still double charges

#

ye i press it twice and both charges are gone

pliant topaz
#

what is the macro u made though

quartz prism
# 
/use Forged Gladiator's Badge of Ferocity
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Blood Fury(Racial)
/cast !Symbols of Death
/cast Shadowstrike
/use Fire-Eater's Vial
pliant topaz
#

thats not a cast sequence...

its something like
/castsequence reset=2 symbols of death
/cqs

quartz prism
#

ah, i avoided castsequence before because sometimes i didnt have tea or blood fury for example

void hound
#

so bp at 12 targets during and outside dance?

#

for trickster

left ledge
#

Holy PvP brain rot macro

#

He even got the fuckin toys in there he’s locked in

quartz prism
#

not really, i have a bunch of modifiers depending on how much i want to press, so for example on shadowstrike i can modify it with more or less cds depending on what i need

#

so alt shift ctrl are all different values of CD usage

#

same with stuff like finishers or stuns, like if you played old first dance sometimes u want to press dance with cheapshot even when u still had subterdfuge window

#

so u still have full control of when to pop cds instead the 'swifty 1 shot macro' and u dont have to press like 5 binds at once

lucid jackal
#

Any greens

#

I got a question

pliant topaz
#

yo

lucid jackal
#

How much dance do you need to double dance your cooldowns

pliant topaz
#

havent had time to change apl based on fractional charges yet. apl is on a timer solution right now which gaurantees u will have 2

lucid jackal
#

I keep fucking up in dungeons so I need a benchmark to have my dances at

pliant topaz
#

if i had to guess if you have more than 1.3 charges at 30 seconds before flag u can dance.

#

but again, havent optimized the apl for fractional chargres yet. LE has a good WA for it, so i might change the apl around it

lucid jackal
#

In the same way like, you start a dance when sectec is 9 sec left

#

Would u say 30 for double dance?

hazy breach
alpine wraith
#

you can cheat a bit with chargers and vanish but more or less that

golden totem
#

ilvl is fake (rashanan mythic)

image.png
#

(10sec shorter fight meant i couldnt flag again sadge )

mighty delta
#

what should uptime on symbols look like?

golden totem
#

60% ish

mighty delta
#

ok cool ty

#

and its better for example in the opener to pop symbols the first time, then hit second with a few secs remaining right?

#

i think so far i havent been doing that and saving for individual dance bursts which im guessing affects uptime ofc

golden totem
#

symbol benefits of pandemic

#

this means you can press symbol when there is already a symbol remaining with 3sec or less

hazy breach
wind canopy
golden totem
#

next pull

alpine wraith
hazy breach
#

Literally 850k left

alpine wraith
#

someone didnt crit mandate

#

smh

lilac stag
#

who didny double pot?

vale pine
#

you will kill it soon

alpine wraith
#

surely their healers are not using potion bombs

#

smh

sly shore
#

so /cast !Stealth won't unstealth you if you spam it

vale pine
#

its stupid kinda

sly shore
#

but /cast !Symbols of Death will just recast it because it's not a toggle

tropic pier
#

Did anyone else's TTS stop working for the transmitter weakaura?

vale pine
#

i don't use tts

sly shore
#

turn on tts in accessibility

solar charm
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
tropic pier
# sly shore

Yeah for some reason when I hit play sample there it doesn't play a sound

solar charm
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
sly shore
hazy breach
keen dome
#

Hell yeah, congrats!

vale pine
sly shore
#

huge

alpine wraith
#

im still in court jail

vale pine
strange chasm
#

Ok did some keys as sub with my group

#

It's kinda nutty

#

Ass defs does more overall but I feel like a lot of the damage I did as sub helped the key

hazy breach
#

theres a couple of keys where its actually very close

#

Dawn and CoT

pliant topaz
alpine wraith
#

yea mists and NW you have some things you can do that are cool

#

but cot and dawn are first dancers

spiral needle
#

Dang killing Queen in June is impressive

alpine wraith
#

ahaha

hazy breach
#

Obviously on a bad pull dps wise, it is what it is

lilac stag
#

Higher than 0?

strange chasm
#

Good for all 3 mini bosses

mighty delta
#

i feel like we have super strong boss dmg compared to sin

sly shore
#

This toy goes HARD

vale pine
#

transmitter toy?

#

its ncie

sly shore
#

the sprint animation

pliant topaz
#

the jump animation is sick too

#

bro just floats

sly shore
#

ethereals when

#

final patch surely

vale pine
#

agree

#

should be a race

sly shore
#

the fact this toy has some animations

#

makes me think it might

vale pine
#

there is a lot missing

#

if you use transmitter

#

you have a chance to spawn a rare if you are in a non instanced zone

#

if you kill it, you get the toy

spark tusk
#

I need to try to get that

#

Can it just be in town?

#

Like every cd cast it?

alpine wraith
#

yea in the world

#

just care becaise people can steal it

vale pine
#

but if somone else tags it

spark tusk
#

Hrm

vale pine
#

you need to spawn it again

#

it happened to me on first use

#

i got it spawned recently again, the not focused one

#

first spawn was random and somone stole

#

2nd spawn took me 1-2h after that

#

the above was just randomly while doing stuff

sly shore
#

I got it from a rare in azj'kahet

#

ah no

#

it wasn't the rare

#

It just spawned during the rare

#

and died to cleave

vale pine
#

lol

spring turret
#

!bugs

wicked joltBOT
tropic pier
#

Does shadowstep provide a moment of movement immunity or something? If I pre step mechanics that pull me sometimes the pull doesn't go through.

topaz raptor
#

it will cancel your momentum

#

any teleport will cancel your momentum

#

if you teleport after a single instance of forced movement, it'll stop the momentum of that ability

#

arakara last boss, however, is not a single instance -- it's constant forced movement so you will be constantly sucked even after your teleport

#

but ansurek and gb 3rd boss have single knockbacks that you can just step afterward to negate

sinful sluice
#

6 tokens this week from vault...:')

timid jolt
#

Man new to rogue in general but when you fight a mob and you stun/blind/shot them and use your cc to get one at a time is just 🤌

alpine wraith
#

what could have been

#

(we wiped)

sly shore
#

basically a 70 for assa dead

sand patio
#

hey at the opener what refunds cb allowing me to cast 2x eviscerate in row? any aura to track to predict this behavior?

hazy breach
#

Shadowcraft

#

And yes

#

You can track your shadow technique procs

violet torrent
#

Grats Eleem, I just made it to council prison 😉

indigo yoke
#

can someone give me a generic dmg meter breakdown, like whats nr1 and so on?
trying to help my less than skilled friend

solemn lance
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
gilded ferry
#

did anyone here tried worm with sub

gilded ferry
still quartz
timber ore
#

is there any point at which you have enough targets to use black powder over doing normal rotation with trickster?