subtlety

[tribal blade]

CB

[keen dome]

I'm curious if they'll ever adjust or change Cold Blood. It's a very strange node with only one use..

[tribal blade]

tea

[keen dome]

Make SecTec have 100% crit when used during Dance AND Symbols.

Bam, improved.

[tribal blade]

that would be sexy

[vale pine]

add another 0.4% or so from cold blood

well not sure if its that big in m+

[placid crown]

Hello guys, i'm wondering something since we have hero talents. I play deathstalker, and in this situation (5 or more targets), should i eviscerate to get necro mark again or is it a lost of dps compared to just spam shuriken storms and black powders ?

[rugged flicker]

guys be real - is sub only good for pvp this expansion?

[tribal blade]

the downtime w/o tea just feels so bad

[tribal blade]

nah sub is pretty good in raid now

[keen dome]

It's also fine in keys.

[rugged flicker]

how did that happen

could have sworn a few days ago it wasn't

[rugged flicker]

as in mythic+?

[keen dome]

Yes

[rugged flicker]

both builds are lowest and second lowest dps in the game rn

it also didn't feel good when I raided but in all fairness I'm new so probably skill issue for the most part anyway

[tribal blade]

well sub is quite close in performance to sin atm

in raid

and on reset sin is getting bug fixed so they lose a bit of dps

not a lot, but enough where sub might be slightly better

[rugged flicker]

whats sin?

[tribal blade]

assassination

[rugged flicker]

ah

[vale pine]

basically its all relative balance

[rugged flicker]

yeah for raiding its actually looking good

[tribal blade]

sub's cd line ups are also pretty nice

and with the change to symbols having charges we have on demand burst more than before

[vale pine]

assassiantion has insane aoe, brings aoe silence with a damage reduction and strong priority target damage. Its main weakness is pure single target output

Subtlety lacks strong aoe but brings good single target

also besides being "THE" priority damage spec, can't hold up to scent of blood

[tribal blade]

ok i know it's bad to use stat weights, but i simmed tea vs CB and if you run tea crit goes from being 3rd prio stat to 1st

[rugged flicker]

what do you do when your dps slows down when you run out of symbols of death?

[vale pine]

it just turns out that aoe damage is important in keys, and it makes subtlety overall the worse choice

[keen dome]

Ask the raid to kill the boss quicker

[rugged flicker]

trueee

[vale pine]

lean back and relax

[tribal blade]

you just chill

not much else you can do

[keen dome]

Become the MECHANICS GOD

[tribal blade]

don't get frustrated

[rugged flicker]

ill have to try it again because last time i just wasnt dealing any damage, but that was before last patch

[keen dome]

It's in a much better state and it doesn't feel like I'm trolling to play it in 10's

Which is a lovely feeling.

[rugged flicker]

i think pve content has traumatised me

on sub rogue every single enemy took like 20 sec in tww

on fury warrior im pulling 10 elites at once and aoe'ing them

[vale pine]

thats solo content design for you

[rugged flicker]

yeah its awful

i kind of assumed it was similar for all classes since sub rogue was my first lvl 80

but id see people running up to the boss im fighting for 5 minutes and one shot it lol

[vale pine]

there is more than enough feedback about it

so you can assume they know about solo content problems for 8+ years now

the solution to it in TWW delves was to add a companion

[rugged flicker]

even with companion delves feel rough, ill have to try it again this patch but it was brutal

[tribal blade]

oh no

[keen dome]

it feels a whole lot better, imo.

[tribal blade]

it feels way better playing tea

[keen dome]

oh no

[tribal blade]

hahaha

[rugged flicker]

tea? as in assassin?

[tribal blade]

i'm gonna test this in a dungeon some time

[keen dome]

What'd you drop for it? CB, right?

[tribal blade]

sub can get it too if we skip CB

[vale pine]

thistle tea, the talent

[vale pine]

yep

[rugged flicker]

oh i had no idea

[keen dome]

I assume Lethality too

[vale pine]

you need to

there isn't much else you can drop

[keen dome]

yeah

That's all I could see haha, makes sense

[placid crown]

In case it's usefull for somebody... Finally tested myself, i do 6% more dmgs by refreshing mark when it's possible compared to refreshing it only every 20sec (evis for SnD)

[vale pine]

you keep mark up with evis

so every time you get DN

you use evis

to re-apply

thats the default play style

[placid crown]

DN ?

[vale pine]

the capstone

darkest night

[placid crown]

i mean my question was : on multi target, is it worth to evis (as deathstalker, son on only one of the targets) instead of spamming storms and powders

i see no changes in dps whatever both of this option, on 5 targets and short time

[vale pine]

yes

[placid crown]

i see +6% dmgs if the fight is quite long

[vale pine]

the answer is: It is worth to evis with the buff above

[placid crown]

yeah but you dont have the buff above if you dont evis

[vale pine]

you do

[placid crown]

how ?

[vale pine]

you start with a strike from stealth

applying deathstalkers mark

if it reaches 0 stacks

or the target dies

you get the buff

and then you evis

[tribal blade]

hard to say if tea is actually better because the dummies are lagging again

[vale pine]

try the ones in OG

[haughty mural]

better than what ?

[vale pine]

the dummies in the new city are buggy

[haughty mural]

cb ?

[tribal blade]

later, i gotta shower and eat soon 😉

[vale pine]

better than cold blood

[haughty mural]

for DS or Trickster ?

[vale pine]

oh, you getting ready for our date

(i am joking)

[tribal blade]

nah it makes me feel important 😉

i think the one good thing about running tea would be your cdr is better

across the board

[vale pine]

^ Nimble does less damage on the dummies in the new zone for some reason its weird

[sacred yarrow]

but wouldnt you eat during the date

[placid crown]

yeah but evis on a single target, even if it's boosted with darkest night, might be less damage than a black powder on all the targets right ?

[tribal blade]

you lose less globals to energy

[vale pine]

your evis does 60% more damage and is guaranteed to critical strike

[near rivet]

i did the math in 11.0

[vale pine]

means you will continue to do so up to higher target counts

[near rivet]

it was worth to /cancelaura darkest night over 8 targets and do BP instead

[haughty mural]

also you want to get your deathstalker marks again -> so you proc DN

[near rivet]

and apply mark with shadowstrike

[haughty mural]

what are you cooking

[vale pine]

oh true i forgot about that

its kinda weird to do

[placid crown]

mhh got it for the maths but

why necessary ton cancel aura .

?

i mean, if u just dont use it, whatever ?

[near rivet]

when you have DN buff up

you cant consume marks

[placid crown]

but when dn is up, you dont have marks

[vale pine]

cancleaura can apply the mark if its not up

[near rivet]

you do shadowstrike

[vale pine]

you can't apply it during DN currently

[near rivet]

to apply mark

its working differently now?

[vale pine]

oh wait wrong wording

you can't reduce mark stacks during dn

[near rivet]

you can apply, but you cant consume it

[vale pine]

ye

[near rivet]

so you cancelaura to not have to evi in 10 targets pack

[vale pine]

i guess you could just

[near rivet]

its cursed gameplay

[vale pine]

macro the cancleaura

to your strike

[near rivet]

well

you still want to evi sometimes

[vale pine]

well thats bad on lower tartgets

[near rivet]

to refresh snd

[vale pine]

cursed

[placid crown]

yea so if E key is my strike, i could do like an alt-E macro for this specific condition

[vale pine]

man

i think premed fixed snd

[lilac stag]

Or just change talents to trickster.

[vale pine]

sooo much better

[near rivet]

better off to just play trickster

[vale pine]

cttc feels like such a bandaid

[placid crown]

i was 10000% sure somebody would tell me this XD

[vale pine]

trickster plays nice

i can only recommend

[placid crown]

but deatstalker destroys bosses way better, no ?

[lilac stag]

ds is just so jank.

[vale pine]

trickster is better on bosses

[lilac stag]

No it doesn’t

[keen dome]

I felt like i did more boss damage as Trickster this week.

[vale pine]

what deathstalker is better is

aoe

if you have sustained aoe

BP and rupture do a lot of damage

[lilac stag]

It’s a pad spec.

Ethical dmg only for sub.

[placid crown]

but doing lot of dmgs with rupture requires to put points on talents to do so... and so less dmgs on single target

[near rivet]

scent of blood

[vale pine]

give me a sec

[near rivet]

you dont have to go dark brew

prob still a loss compared to symbols stacks

[vale pine]

you lose the benefits of strong ruptures if you don't

but yes, deathstalker single target gets a bit lower

[near rivet]

oh

[vale pine]

but its like 2% max

brew makes rupture shadow damage

[placid crown]

Actually i'm playing this for both raids and mm+...

[vale pine]

so deeper dagger/etc work on it

and is a 10% shadow damage buff

so don't think you want to skip out on more damage on BP/etc

[near rivet]

makes sense

[vale pine]

but you can ofc do it with something like ecologue posted

[placid crown]

what i am seeing on 5 dummies is that playing these talents and still using ruptures on dummies is not a gain of dps compared to just not use rupture

i mean : with this talents, it's useless to rupture anything on 5 hp-equivalent targets

and my test was done with ruptures fully used, so i guess it would be even more useless if the targets dies with rupture still running

[haughty mural]

i wish replicating would get fixed

[mint swift]

Oh sub doesn’t run tea any more?

[keen dome]

All kofi, no tea. That's what Supercharger is. A really good espresso.

[sacred yarrow]

juice straight to the vein

[mint swift]

Ah fair

Was asking cause I remember tea before I swapped to Assa

[keen dome]

Yeah, we ran it prior to the changes but no more!

Unless we start running it again.

[mint swift]

Fair fair

Idk if I should go back to sub, just felt worse to play for me than assa

[keen dome]

Play the spec you are enjoying, imo.

If you are enjoying Assa, play Assa.

[mint swift]

Ye

[placid crown]

How do you manage this moment as deathstalker sub ? Considering you are against enough targets to get 7 cp with a storm, will you sectec with nothing and then spam storms/powders to get sectec back fast and use it again with symbols and dance, OR, do you wait the 8secs to do the sectec ?

[tribal blade]

might be able to run tea instead of CB in keys and have better mental with energy 😉

[keen dome]

🙏 Science

[placid crown]

And same question for this second situation : how do you manage it ? Do you use now symbols+dance+sectec or do you wait the 15seconds before using them ?

I encounter both these situations quite frequently

[haughty mural]

lemme know how it goes

do you still run transmitter in your keys ?

[tribal blade]

as sub yes

because it's so good for sub

[lilac stag]

stop trying to force out of cd feels.

fucking tea

https://tenor.com/view/apt-rosé-blackpink-bruno-mars-gif-1539050173426684783

[tribal blade]

it's very likely not better

but i wanna see how much you can get away with

[lilac stag]

If you’re that concerned with out of cd play, just go nado

idk why you’d want to go for energy and likely drooping vers for crit especially as keys go higher

but good luck

[tribal blade]

haha as keys go higher i just go sin 😉

but that's a good point, vers stacking is so good in high keys

[haughty mural]

think his point is to get more cdr

with energy

[hazy breach]

Assa so squishy though

[haughty mural]

ye - dont have exhilarating exec

they can run bait and switch tho

[haughty mural]

maybe i get mine finally next reset

[sinful sluice]

man............................

💀

[haughty mural]

[tribal blade]

yeah i would much prefer to be able to play sub, although so far in lower keys it seems like the output is pretty good

[placid crown]

but now that feint is not using a gcd... i feel like a noob playing with this

[tribal blade]

depends on the key level

[sinful sluice]

i knew i would get killed getting that transmitter plate

[tribal blade]

if you're doing weekly 10s cheat is fine

[sinful sluice]

but my hadns were already heading that way

[haughty mural]

i don't remember when i played with cheat the last time

maybe for some raid mechanic

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-being-such-a-pussy-gerald-broflovski-south-park-s20e7-oh-jeez-gif-20389829

[tribal blade]

i ran cheat in keys up until i started doing ~12s

[haughty mural]

im a elusiveness enjoyer

[near junco]

Anyone have a macro to not accidently use symbols twice when you're spamming?

[haughty mural]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[near junco]

cheers

[haughty mural]

[tribal blade]

i think the literal only place i felt i needed elusiveness in lower keys was the last boss of siege

but yeah elusiveness is mandatory

[sinful sluice]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

can tie this up with dance? like

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/cast dance
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

[tribal blade]

@lilac stag oh btw i'm playing sub for kyveza prog

i think i'll be playing sub in raid till prog is over

[vestal escarp]

As sub if you get dashes its a death sentence for dps imo

[hazy breach]

Idk dont feel like it is. Dawn, siege and city yes

But other dungeons youre pretty much exclusively using it for stray bolts which should be kicked anyway.

Maybe nw where you cant kick em but idk

[tribal blade]

i do find some dungeons are majority aoe dam yeah

and you can get away with just feint

w/o elusiveness

another one i might add would be ara possibly

for the dots on 2nd and last boss

[hazy breach]

Its aoe

[tribal blade]

oh the debuff on the last boss?

interesting

[tawdry kiln]

For the big add before last boss of Dawn, i get erased when it does the purple laser on me

[hazy breach]

Not last boss ig, but second boss is

[tribal blade]

ah ok gotcha gotcha

[tawdry kiln]

this is where I need elusiveness ig

[hazy breach]

Oh wait nvm last boss is aoe too

Only thing that isnt is the web spawning yell on the first boss

[tribal blade]

oh that isn't counted as aoe?

weird

[vestal escarp]

Weird indeed

I think im mitigating it with feint tho

Looking at others hp

[vale pine]

@tribal blade you think your experience would be better if storm costs wouldn't be this high

[tribal blade]

yes absolutely

[vale pine]

[tribal blade]

if storm was 35 energy again i wouldn't be worrying about it like i am

[vale pine]

i think reducing storm costs would overall just be a net positive

[tribal blade]

100% agree!

[vale pine]

sub wouldn't become op

[tribal blade]

nah it wouldn't, it would be a gain for sure

but nothing crazy

and the user feedback of playing sub would be much better

[vale pine]

now we just need to convince realz to do it

[tribal blade]

it would make me so happy

if they reverted those changes

[vale pine]

just such a small change ^^

can have such a big impact

funny

[tribal blade]

i was quite upset when i saw how storm's energy cost was getting bumped up to 45

i had a feeling something like this might happen

what we're living through right now

running 100 energy is already quite a small resource

and with energy costs being so high it makes it so much worse

[vale pine]

it felt like solving a non existing problem

and as such out of place

but its not a gigantic problem

[haughty mural]

me too

[tribal blade]

i think it just seriously bothers me, i have to always work very hard to not get frustrated

and you're right, it did feel like an unneccessary change

[vale pine]

the RS bug is another tilter

[tribal blade]

that could very well be part of the problem that's making sub worse in M+

[vale pine]

or the charge from coup

there are many annoyances

[tribal blade]

haha i almost died to the 1st boss of CoT today because of coup charge

[vale pine]

i initially went with "i will get used to the energy changes"

but i never did, i think its fine on single target tho

[tribal blade]

i've honestly never gotten fully used to it

i've learnt to deal with it

but it really irks me a lot

[vale pine]

i think a good argument is leveling and solo content experience

which is a lot worse due to it

[tribal blade]

it also makes casting feint very damaging to our rotation

because you simply don't have the budget to throw out 25 energy for a defensive

so if you feint to live anything, you're really affecting your rotation in a big way

it does feel like sub is dancing (no pun intended) on a very thin line

[vestal escarp]

During sod casting feint is never an issue for me

[tribal blade]

and if you do anything to throw it off you're losing cdr

[tribal blade]

yeah generally during sod is fine

but outside sod it's awful

sometimes even in sod it's not good

[vestal escarp]

Outside sod just pretty much everything is awful

[tribal blade]

it doesn't need to be that way

[vestal escarp]

Yeah for dmg sure

[tribal blade]

like sure our down time damage doesn't need to be great

[vale pine]

feint should be no cost

[vestal escarp]

Too op maybe?

[haughty mural]

as long as DK is THAT tanky

[tribal blade]

i'm sure they would say it's too powerful then yeha

[haughty mural]

i dont think its op

[tribal blade]

since it's on such a short cd

[near rivet]

refunds x energy when you actually reduce dmg

up to a cap

[vestal escarp]

We had a gcd vs cost debate a while ago befor the buff

Off gcd is fine for me

It doesnt int your dance anymore

[tribal blade]

yeah off gcd is very nice

maybe they could make nimble fingers reduce 20 energy

so it makes crimson vial free

and feint is 15 energy

[haughty mural]

that would be good

[tribal blade]

crimson vial isn't exactly a great self heal, would stand to be something that's free to cast

[haughty mural]

exactly

the way vial is tuned it could even go off gcd without a cost

[tribal blade]

i mostly wish it was an insta heal

like a healthstone

[haughty mural]

imo it doesnt even need to be

it just needs to heal something

[tribal blade]

i think it would be so much better if it was

[haughty mural]

[tribal blade]

you could use it reactively to save yourself

[haughty mural]

that for sure

[vale pine]

you can easy control it via cooldown

[tribal blade]

the heal over time isn't exactly something you can use in an emergency

[vale pine]

they already nerfed certain defensives for that reason

e.g. cheat death

was on a shorter cooldown

and you survived any lethal damage

also it did reset when you died

[tribal blade]

do you think rogues would become too squishy if feint was on a shorter cd?

[haughty mural]

there was a time it was really good vs rot dmg

but its just tuned badly now

[vale pine]

now its:

• on a lot ass cooldown
• does only prevent damage if its within 2x max hp
• does not reset on death

[vale pine]

rogue is already glass canon

[tribal blade]

true!

[haughty mural]

yea one of the reason i just play with elusiveness

[tribal blade]

when you see the stuff dks and rets can get away with

it's depressing

[haughty mural]

ye thats what i meant

[vestal escarp]

they only have more hp

ret has less defensives now than rog

[haughty mural]

im just glad sub got smth like exhilarating

[upper narwhal]

there's a bunch of bosses in M+ where we just run out of defensives without elusiveness

off-gcd feint is clutch tho

[vestal escarp]

feint and elu might not feel op when you play rog but in regards to the rest of the classes they're very strong

[gray zephyr]

What is RS bug?

[vale pine]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/1167

tl;dr: you sometimes get delayed refunds of cp

[hazy breach]

Besides siege, what other bosses do you really need elusiveness on

And last boss cot

[upper narwhal]

last boss CoT

yeah

[vestal escarp]

for example you have feint up on stonevault for all last boss screams with 40% dr, most classes have larger cds and cant do that

[vestal escarp]

NW to mitigate throw flesh spam

[upper narwhal]

true SV has some hard bosses without it, not running out but sketch

[gray zephyr]

Oh I thought it's shadowcraft bug, didn't know it's only with RS talented

[vale pine]

we investigated the bug and found out how to re-create it

the bug is, as you see, quite old by now

[haughty mural]

and it's still one of the most annoying

[vale pine]

it was reported to devs too multiple times, but they haven't corrected it

it might be a very hard to pin down issue

[haughty mural]

"just dont spec into RS"

[solemn lance]

quick question. since fazed lasts 7 seconds and can only proc once every 20 seconds, it sounds like for 13 seconds of every 20 fazed will not be up on a target. If coup procs outside those seven seconds at what point do we not hold our next eviscerate? and what do we do in its place

[vale pine]

tbh you can on trickster maybe

[haughty mural]

sure

but at some point you still want to spread rupture

[vale pine]

yes

[gray zephyr]

Is it viable in ST raid build? Going with something like Planned execution?

[vale pine]

replicating could be funny if it actualyl replicated ruptures

so you would need less rupture casts to apply/maintain it

[haughty mural]

like a cd based ability "replicate your current rupture on x targets" ?

[vale pine]

like

[vestal escarp]

could just throw out ruptures like nothing, it's not like we're overpowered in aoe

[south seal]

The old night blade pasive

[vale pine]

every time you cast rupture the active ruptures get replicated to a near target

so you would spread

2-4-8-16-...

[haughty mural]

[vale pine]

rupture faster

[haughty mural]

[static juniper]

rupturret

[vale pine]

can not replicate on first cast, if its too powerful

[south seal]

Good idea

[gray zephyr]

Let's gooooo

And fix the bug while we work on the talent 😅

[vale pine]

haha true

bugs can be quite annoying

[vestal escarp]

like this you're gaining just 2 ruptures at the third cast

[vale pine]

you get more than higher the target count

essentially

removing casts of rupture you need to do

e.g. currently you need 4 ruptures to spread on 8 targets

[vestal escarp]

absolutely

[vale pine]

with the cange you would need 3

with 16 targets, currently 8 casts

with the change 4

[alpine wraith]

that was the original idea with replicating you sued it one then on finishers it replicated but they nerfed it by 70%

[vestal escarp]

8 is kinda the sensitive point imo, you're rarely spreading 16 ruptures

[alpine wraith]

so it became a meme in bfa

[vale pine]

yes, because of the effort

you also rarely have more than 3-4 targets that need rupture

[oak portal]

If shadow focus and improved shruiken storm are the only difference between cleave/dungeon and ST

can I just use improved shruiken storm on everything and forget about it

[vale pine]

for trickster, yes

[oak portal]

Keep forgetting to swap on kyveza and sikran

[vale pine]

you can

shadow focus is not that big of a dps gain

[oak portal]

Thanks man youre the goat

I know some people like talent diversity

but having a single layout is comforting tbh

[vale pine]

trickster is nice, you can run the same thing everywhere kinda

[tribal blade]

yeah shadow focus is hilariously bad now

almost worthless

[vale pine]

https://tenor.com/view/googly-eyes-kitty-eyes-sad-eyes-cat-gif-15030511

can we get extra vansih charge back instead of shadow focus?

you can't say no to such sweet eyes

[tribal blade]

hm but what would they steal from sub to replace vanish charge with this time?

because obviously that talent node is for stuff stolen from sub 😉

[vale pine]

i don't know

but maybe

make vanish cd lower

in the general tree

instead of 2nd charge

it sounds like a benefit for both sin and outlaw

[oak portal]

Imma be real sad and give Shruiken tornado

you'll be missed (not)

[tribal blade]

i would love to get back 2nd vanish charge

[keen dome]

Same

[vale pine]

i rly like this build in dungeons

no tornado and tfd

[tribal blade]

i might run VT instead of nado too

[frozen hollow]

remaining out of combat for 6 secs is hard when tanks chain pull everything thop

tho

[vale pine]

yes

it is why i don't recommend it as default

pugs are a war zone

[keen dome]

I've been running this for dungeons:

Pretty similar, but I really love EE over Ephermal bond. I also prefer blackjack over tricks 'cos I don't get aggro anyway.

[vale pine]

ye ee

also surprised you use soothing

[oak portal]

I came from assa to sub to deal with tanks that chain pull

can't make me take tfd

[keen dome]

Honestly I forgot to change it to leeching.

Which I have now rectified haha

[hazy breach]

I think you should just spec tfd and not worry about it. You only need a couple of uses of it across the entire dungeon for it to beat wm

[static juniper]

i see that in the opener sequence images and on logs, there is a EV->EV cast, what allows us to get 2 consecutive casts of ev?

[tribal blade]

TFD seems incredible so far

[hazy breach]

Shadowcraft

[tribal blade]

i'm getting a lot of uses in most dungeons

[keen dome]

Yeah, I really like it for all non-raid content. It just has a ton of value.

Dawnbreaker

[haughty mural]

holy i think me aswell

[tribal blade]

CoT as well

is a big one

[keen dome]

Yeah, absolutely.

Siege has some great spots too

[tribal blade]

honestly most dungeons have enough resets

i know because i'm always thinking about restealths as sin

[keen dome]

Stone Vaults, Ara-kara and GB probably have the least but i can still get enough in those.

[tribal blade]

GB has quite a few i think

[keen dome]

Yeah. I've started sitting back a tiny bit on some pulls. 1s or so, to get it. And it works out.

[haughty mural]

just sell speedshroud in GB and they will let you stealth

[keen dome]

Hahaha

EE + Leeching is gonna be a nice combo. Lotta extra survivability there although not as much.

Plus our pretty constant 10% DR which just frankly owns.

I was struggling to live some mechanics as Assa, but now I'm back on Sub I just shrug stuff off

I've been wondering if Deadened Nerves is worth it over Iron Stomach but i'm not sure how to really check. - Nevermind I'm dumb i can run both.

[vale pine]

another qol change i would like to see

is nimble flurry changed to magic damage

[keen dome]

Shadow damage.

[vale pine]

would be cool too

but just magic damage would be enough

to not depend on find weakness as much

[keen dome]

Yeah

[vale pine]

the find weakness dependency is annoying in play

even tho you can play it

by just using one storm

[keen dome]

In a hypothetical rework, I'd like to see Find Weakness either completely changed or just outright removed and baked into the spec. it's a relic.

[vale pine]

to spread it from rotten

(i simmed it its fine to do so)

[vale pine]

funnily enough a modern relic

[keen dome]

Yeah, haha

[hazy breach]

Problem is storm consumes both rotten charges on one cast rn

[vale pine]

yes, so you would need to use it on the 2nd casst

[tribal blade]

cringe

[hazy breach]

And im fairly sure that bug isnt in simc

[vale pine]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/1141

[vale pine]

it isn't but i documented it a while ago ^

[haughty mural]

didnt even know about that one

spec can't catch a break

[sinful sluice]

ahh m+ feels so much better with new talents compared to DS brew build

Decent boss dmg, decent ~7 target adds dmg, good cdr rotation

[chilly tree]

Is sub viable for mythic brood?

I cant get sin down well but i have outlaw and sub down

[hazy breach]

Sub is pretty good on brood ye

Assa is cracked though

[chilly tree]

Might just play sub then, i suck at sin and just dont play it enough

[woeful horizon]

what happened to subs its cracked in M+ now wow

[haughty mural]

or make it spread from sstrike by flurry

[dire geyser]

Yo so is mandate still bis or are we using contract now

[hazy breach]

Theyre about the same

So play whichever you prefer

[glacial hinge]

Atm is assign as worm Destroyer, every cd is aligned for that and my aoe aint that brilliant either way, kills the logs but gets the job done

[vale pine]

both are within 0.1% dps, queens has the reset mechanic, which allows for some min/max

[gilded ferry]

i guess it wcl did a fix for the logs

w1 and w2 logs

[dire geyser]

Thanks sirs

[lilac stag]

There are still bugged sub logs cough cough

[hazy breach]

Well with a w2 split it wont matter

But ye

[vale pine]

wcl seperates week 1 logs out, so statistic will only have week 2+.
Means we will need some days to get a updated statistic

[lilac stag]

fixing logs and the week it is are two different things

[vale pine]

this fixes the statistics problem

and ranks

[lilac stag]

Is curious to see PE ST from chican topping

assuming just rng. Wouldn’t expect the 6% to be that much better

Idk

[shell lance]

@vale pine i have a doubt is normal that a spell when i click it go in a whisper?
Or maybe accidentally i bind it the spell with R?

[dawn cobalt]

Sorry if question is spammed here. How is sub in m+/raids? Have to reroll from healer and ive played a lot of sub before. Logs look sad but theyre always a bit delayed

[vale pine]

you probably have a typo in a macro

[vale pine]

subtlety is good in raid after the buffs.
For mythic+ assassiantion still is the dominant spec but subtlety is not bad

[lilac stag]

If you think it’s spammed here, maybe use search?

[dawn cobalt]

Thank you!

[hazy breach]

The PE+sht line is fine, if youre not getting extra uses from swift its going to be better

[lilac stag]

yeah it’s just interesting the sim dps loss

of course my antidotal 20 mins on a dummy PE was ahead each time.

[shell lance]

Is with symbols of death and others that go in the whisper

[vale pine]

remove the space

before /cast

so its not /cast spellbut /cast spell

[shell lance]

Ok i try when i go at home

[ornate current]

!fuu

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[keen dome]

A new personal best on the Horseman: lmao

If only I could do that on an actual boss

[fair stump]

are we using latest when simming? or weekly?

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter

[vale pine]

nicuuu

[keen dome]

50m of that is just Shadow Blades

[strange chasm]

!fuu

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[uneven scarab]

Omg when i did it yesterday same shit

Shadow blades absolutely cranking in scaled content

[keen dome]

It's very funny

[uneven scarab]

It is

Ngl mists first boss as sub

Feels so good

lust+ all cd’s on damage amp

[edgy zenith]

speaking of, do I still need to do the custom APL thing or nah?

noticed I still had it in my sims bc I forgor to delete it

[hazy breach]

Nop

[serene notch]

did i miss something why is overclocked gear ring simming so high (on bloodmallet)

[hazy breach]

Because bloodmallet is simming sub without any talents

[uneven scarab]

Last time i used bloodmallet for sub seemed fine but that was over a week ago

Actually was before the changes came in

[serene notch]

the profiel sections shows talented

maybe thats just UI but not in the sim?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[serene notch]

interesting

ive never seen such an outlier

[strange chasm]

I got mythic sikran in vault

[hazy breach]

The sim is doing like 120k dps

[strange chasm]

Looks like I'm ass rogue till we kill queen now

[hazy breach]

So any damage trinket is gonna sim insane since nothing else does damage

[serene notch]

must be a bug for sub

its not happening for sin

[edgy zenith]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW1_Raid.html

yes

Sub is bugged currently

be patient!

[hazy breach]

Thats what i just told you?

[serene notch]

T_T

[uneven scarab]

[boreal breach]

why is everyone a gnome now? new tech? how'd ppl all make the decision to race change

[hazy breach]

Gnome sucks for dps

Its good to break yourself out of roots on queen ansurek mythic though

[boreal breach]

ah true

[hazy breach]

Surprised we didnt see any nerfs for it this reset

[pliant topaz]

casuals been progging as dwarf

doesnt seem as needed anymore

the sets youre in cds u can just feint and insta kill it

[hazy breach]

Im orc too, its doable

[near rivet]

i think the roots hp nerf was a response to the gnome race changing

[hazy breach]

But we only have 1 fury warrior, so somtimes its tighter than it needs to be

[near rivet]

how many rooted people there are usually?

[tight bloom]

!fuu

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[vale pine]

or you gnome it

[hazy breach]

Its not really feasible to have any you need to kill on the first, second or fourth spawn

Its really only the third one where its remotely doable

[near rivet]

yes, im aware of that part

[hazy breach]

So 0 in all those 3 and then we have 4 for the 4rd

[near rivet]

but like, how many people on average are unable to do all 4 sets

[hazy breach]

DH, priest, evoker, rogue i think

Shamans can with spirals

[near rivet]

thanks, it sounds important

[hazy breach]

But you have flag+blades up for the third set so you can obliterate it

[stiff remnant]

yay got my Mad Queen's Mandate!

[jaunty umbra]

nice

[ember hound]

!fuu

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[vale pine]

congrats

[safe crescent]

hey guys quick question... do we ever use shuriken storm to build points on trickster? or we just use backstab/shadowstrike due to the cleave?

[vale pine]

yes

you use it outside of shadow dance as your regular builder

with more targets ofc, not on single target

we use shadowstrike during dance

[safe crescent]

got it, thx c:

[mental comet]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[hollow cobalt]

Just to add to Fuu, you wanna make sure you have flawless form active

[quaint lodge]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike > Haste

[wide sonnet]

Hi sub rogues

[strange rover]

is sub rogue actually that good as wclogs says or was it inflated cuz of bug abuse as with outlaw ?

[vale pine]

a bit of trivia about the bug

but the bug is not as extreme as on outlaw

doing 200 or 300k more dps

is diffrent than doing 2-3x your dps

the amount of logs on subtlety is also lower, and as such the overall impact low

besides this

[strange rover]

yeah but 200 300k is not minor numbers too tbh

[vale pine]

warcraftlogs did decide to partition the logs

so week one logs will be seperated from logs after reset

means, we have a clean start with this reset

[strange rover]

yeah i see thanks fuu

will see i guess

[vale pine]

but for dps, assassiantion gets a bugfix which is a small nerf

2% iirc

subtlety got a bugfix during the week

which ended up ~0.6% dps

[strange rover]

isnt it hotfixed u mean lethality nerf ye?

[vale pine]

yes

[strange rover]

fix*

[vale pine]

but the diffrence should be low

overall means we stay around the same on relative balance

(for rogue)

[strange rover]

yeah i guess we wait season 2 to play something else

[vale pine]

subtlety is good

[mental comet]

another week another no transmitter

[vale pine]

so if you like to have a bit of a shake up

its fun to play, go for it

[umbral apex]

Me too! Twins

[finite elk]

Do you ever use blackpowder in AoE rotation? Feels like it does z dps

[alpine wraith]

as trickster you dont really do it much

[finite elk]

Been running DS right now, big difference?

[alpine wraith]

oh deathstalker i feel for you

but bp should hit ok on cds

just not outside

[finite elk]

Alright, thank you

[vestal escarp]

DS m+ build sucks on ST

which is on top of sub sucking on overall

[junior prawn]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[mighty light]

@finite elk Started running DS yesterday, seems like BP is top 3 in my damaging abilities depending on the dungeon

[finite elk]

How is that even possibal

Magician

[mighty light]

Fuu's action priority on the WoWHead guide

[vale pine]

he plays deathstalker i guess

its not bad

[finite elk]

i mean, i am. But i am down to try the other hero talent

[vale pine]

rupture and BP is good

[mighty light]

Yeah if you're trickster it hits like a wet napkin

from a +4 Dawnbreaker

[finite elk]

How is shadowstrike soo low down

[vale pine]

you don't strike that much as deathstalker

[mighty light]

anything above 1 target is shuriken if I recall correctly

[vale pine]

hero talents make a noticable diffrence

[mighty light]

even in SD?

at least i think thats what ive been doing, whatever fuu's guide says lol

[finite elk]

That is on Trickster or for DS to?

i might have missunderstood

[alpine wraith]

taht is for deathstalker

as trickster you never storm

in dance

[vale pine]

thats deathstalker

[finite elk]

🫡

[mighty light]

there are separate toggles for the DS rotation

[vivid cobalt]

Trickster is better overall still yea?

[finite elk]

Yeah, but DS you dont play Shuriken T or Tea

[light imp]

DS scales more than Trickster after 7 targets. so if you're doing a dungeon with large pulls, DS is better

[mighty light]

I play both, ST has a place and not playing CB is an approx 1% dps loss for my 611 rogue right now

but I like being able to have energy for black powder 8)

[light imp]

its disheartening when my 608ilvl 2h frost meme build DK can do almost as much damage as my 619 Sub rogue

[vale pine]

yes

[mighty light]

right now for me the total dps loss playing DS with Tea is like around 4% if I was playing optimal trickster instead

[finite elk]

Hmm, i kinda fuck with CB + Sec tech combo

But i get what your angle is

[mighty light]

rock and roll then, it works

[half comet]

!fuu

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[wind wyvern]

/wa

[lilac stag]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[woeful egret]

I haven't logged in yet, what has been broken or ninja nerfed?

[light imp]

my desire to continue playing sub

[woeful egret]

feelsbadman

[light imp]

it does, its even worse when my keys get bricked and im in a group with an assassination rogue and they're getting destroyed. like. bro you're playing a top spec rn, why

[untold pine]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[edgy zenith]

this sounds like a skill issue

bro Sin needs to do less damage outside of CDs

or if their identity is "consistent DoT damage" then they need to do less in CDs

but idk even know what Sin's identity is anymore

just 2min sub?

[woeful egret]

my low ilvl frost dk doesn't touch my sub rogue

my sub rogue also happens to be 619 ilvl, even if it gets close blasting all cds in AOE in st it will do 1/3 of the dmg

[vestal escarp]

idk bro seems pretty meek outside DM to me

[edgy zenith]

i mean in AoE mostly

spamming fan of knives and doing more than a symbols dance "burst"

[tepid trellis]

@pliant topaz wanna explain me how the line under my symbols hits me here?

[edgy zenith]

ur fat

[pliant topaz]

ngl no idea where your character even is but tht paladin guy with wings (i think) should be dead

[vale pine]

fat gnome

[rocky wolf]

whats the consensus for sin or sub on court?

[vale pine]

both are fine

[mighty delta]

sin trickster goes brrr on court

sub*

[rocky wolf]

seems like sin does too lol both seem pretty good

[bronze hatch]

Single target rotation is AoE rotation lelelele

[tepid trellis]

look at the red blurry text

below that

[vale pine]

ohhh

i thought this was your position

[tepid trellis]

nope

[vale pine]

damn, how did that hit you

[mental comet]

if you were in the line when it appeared did you jump to get to safety?

im finding even with 50 ping jumping leaves like a ghost hitbox and gets me railed

specifically on that mech

[pliant topaz]

okay yeah wtf

game working as intended

[tepid trellis]

the game is good

[pliant topaz]

last night we couldnt prog silken because the boss would auto kill all red players as soon as it would give them the buff

[vale pine]

did you move?

[pliant topaz]

game working as intended

[vale pine]

or stand still

[tepid trellis]

walking

[vale pine]

possible that your hitbox is bigger during movement

[tepid trellis]

i aint no double decker tauren tho

[pliant topaz]

musta been your massive gnome schlong then

[vestal escarp]

gnomette

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/apt-blackpink-rose-apt-rose-mak-rose-rosé-gif-17440988294150416254

[strange chasm]

@tepid trellis are you cloak gnome vanish gnome? For the webs

[tepid trellis]

yes

[warm aspen]

HUUUUUUUUGE vault

!fuu

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[flint umbra]

Wish it was easier to get mythic items

I don’t play with people

Guess I can just hear to heroic on all my alts

[hoary bloom]

1 more and then u are turbo blasting

gz

[flint umbra]

Not like I need mythic gear right?

[warm aspen]

nah offhand is crafted for embellish lol

[hoary bloom]

craft elsewhere in the future and u good to go

2 of those bad boys hit hard

but ofc not needed

[warm aspen]

lol i go the 636 already tho

also offhand weapon dmg doesn't do much for sub i think

[hoary bloom]

ah u are sub xdd

wrong channel

[warm aspen]

LUL

yup

but unfortunately im gonna have to sit on 75 gilded this week

next week hoping for tier piece again

• convert boe shoulders

[steel horizon]

You dont do group content? Then you dont need myth track

[warm aspen]

• another 636 craft

gonna go up like 3 ilvls

[flint umbra]

I do mythic plus and heroic raids

Just nothing that needs Vc and heavy coordination

[steel horizon]

You can get myth track from vault then

[warm aspen]

yeah lol not like 639 daggers drop from dungeon chests

go get those 10s man u can do it

[umbral apex]

as trickster do I used mandate after SB has worn off and with symbols in the opener?

[uneven scarab]

you just use it with symbols, but after ur burst bc you want an on use with burst(transmitter)

[flint umbra]

Am I pretty much set with a heroic transponder

[uneven scarab]

yeah pretty much

[flint umbra]

Happy to have it but it can be annoying to use

[uneven scarab]

I think its easy unless its orb bc i cant see that shit

70% of the time

[urban obsidian]

!fuu

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[uncut socket]

did my best xD

[vale pine]

a win is a win

[fleet sparrow]

how accurate are bloodmallet trinket rankings right now?

the numbers look... very strange

although it makes sense that skardyn's would fall off now that it no longer aligns with flag cycle

im not sure how much i trust it's opinion that gear a rang launcher is good and i just got one from the vault >.>

[ornate current]

They are bugged

[fleet sparrow]

That is what i expected to hear.

well at least i can use this trinket to upgrade other ones cheaper

[willow fulcrum]

Speaking of, is it adviced to hold that for Flag, or just send? Hate sitting on it for 30 secs

[uneven scarab]

its 1 min 30 now

It all aligns

Or i should say blades is 1:30

[fleet sparrow]

right

hence it no longer aligns with skardyns

[uneven scarab]

so you dont have to hold anything

[golden totem]

There is no sitting on cd anymore

[uneven scarab]

it aligns with transmitter tho

[fleet sparrow]

well raidbots says current gear is the best gear, so i guess its just a crest discount this week...

and then i'll turn it in for the mount quest lmao

[kind basin]

I haven't touched Sub for a long time. I noticed in the APL rework in 11.0.5 there's no longer a check for Danse Macabre stacks. Does it not matter as much anymore?

[lucid jackal]

Any greens

I got 20 questions

[jaunty heath]

Damn you don’t want fuu to answer?

Green only smh

[uneven scarab]

No we dont play around macabre anymore really

[kind basin]

Nice! Thanks!

[uneven scarab]

Its kinda just there for dmg

np!

[lilac stag]

The short version, you’re focusing on sectech / sod

[vestal escarp]

Send on cd

[kind basin]

Yeah the Danse Macabre check was previously specifically for getting extra damage for sectech, but now it can just send one out with 1 danse stack

[lilac stag]

cdr doing cdr things with flag at 24 and sblades at 16

[uneven scarab]

well with the sectech tier 20% amp and macabre stacks you end up getting some really juicy eviscerates

[lilac stag]

in keys you may pop off Evis first to get sectech back

[kind basin]

Oh didn't even know about the tier

[uneven scarab]

Yeah the tier kinda goated ngl

Im a big fan of this one

[kind basin]

So it's more about getting out as many sectechs as possible rather than beefing them up, got it

[uneven scarab]

yep pretty much, thats why you basically always first global dance sectech so all that dance cdr comes back for it

[lilac stag]

ST is a bit more scripted but yea

[kind basin]

Neat, thanks again!

[uneven scarab]

[candid field]

anyone have accurate trinket sims? since bloodmallet is messed up

[hazy breach]

Transmitter + anything

Knife/mandate/reaper/whatever

Theyre all about the same

[candid field]

whats the best from dungeon i have transmitter already

[vale pine]

contract is good too

!sheet has comparison sims for trinkets

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[spare oar]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns.
The following macros are an exception:yaml /cast Cold Blood /cast Secret Technique

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[spare oar]

!symbols

[wicked jolt]

How to Use Symbols of Death:
Symbols of Death is used with 3 or less seconds of the Symbols of Death buff remaining or if the buff is not up.
Watch your Shadow Dance cooldown before using Symbols of Death. If Shadow Dance is not on cooldown or if the remaining cooldown is lower than 10 seconds it is usually better to delay the Symbols of Death cast till after Shadow Dance.

[edgy zenith]

!wax

[wicked jolt]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[edgy zenith]

wax vs whetstone?

guides are saying both are fine, does that apply to all target counts?

[narrow dirge]

FINALLY TRANSMITTER IN VAULT after losing every roll on it

[alpine wraith]

nice to see

[next valley]

Are people usually using vers flasks for m+ or using mastery

[alpine wraith]

alchemical chaos

[next valley]

Does it have any bad luck prevention?

like getting haste and crit over and over

[alpine wraith]

the diff is not that big

[tepid trellis]

@pliant topaz log on my rogue and play ansurek for me

im dizzy af

[rain smelt]

Is it still possible to fit 3 sectechs into opener as trickster? Wowhead guide says its doable, but I can't make it fit

Maybe im just dumb

[tepid trellis]

no

it aint

[vale pine]

oh, i probably forgot to update that section

you do 2 dances in the opener on both hero talents now

[rain smelt]

No worries, I was just wondering if I was doing something wrong

[vale pine]

back to back

[rain smelt]

Got it, thanks

[pliant topaz]

okay instead of raid we just vibe to APT down?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/rose-apt-rose-blackpink-rose-mak-rose-apt-rose-gif-13183679058984695470

[raw loom]

So how is the sub rogue looking after the new patch?

[vale pine]

good

[raw loom]

I play enhancement shaman these days but have been wanting to do some sub rogue. I know the patch changed enhancement shaman trees pretty significantly and bumped the damage big time. Any big changes that helped quality of life in rogue?

[alpine wraith]

you dont really use slice and dice

[raw loom]

Oh? Don't need to keep maintaining the attack does buff anymore?

Speed*

[pastel rampart]

u get it from evis passively

[raw loom]

Whoa, that's really big

I hated keeping that up low key

[pastel rampart]

we also lost cdr, some ppl think that's qol

[raw loom]

For sure. More time to think of rotation

Is assassin rogue still flavor of the month in rogue world for m+?

[umbral apex]

yessir

[haughty mural]

somehow i just like vers flask so much as sub

[zenith oriole]

Where in the guide does it state that you can fit in 2 sectec in opener??

[vale pine]

don't think its stated anywhere

but you should be able to

you dance 2 times back to back

and the first dance uses secret as first gcd

[zenith oriole]

Ahhh ok tyvm

[vale pine]

you essentially

use 2x symbols, 2x dance, 2x secret

[errant ferry]

The only struggle I am having when playing sub in keys is if I don’t have CD on a pull I truthfully feel like I do negative damage. And then maybe they come back up on some pulls when the pull is at like 25% and I just feel like I have to hold CD so I have them for full next pack and it just feels awesome because of how little I do without CDs

[inner meadow]

say something nice about my talents

[swift tinsel]

you sure put points in places

[static pewter]

deathstalker is cool 😎

[umbral apex]

I like how you don’t choose deeper strategem-like talents in both trees. 5 CP easier to track 👍🏽

[merry agate]

Echoing oh nyooooo

[inner meadow]

i like it but it must be used with dark brew because i hate poisons

[merry agate]

Props for elu and gloomblussy tho

[static pewter]

real

[chilly tree]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[mighty light]

you are braver than I

[merry agate]

Breaking the mold

[tame terrace]

idk u didnt take tea with ur dark brew

u cant just have 1 drink

[haughty mural]

Dark tea ?

[tame terrace]

black tea instead of green tea

[haughty mural]

Oh boy

What does it do? Gives vers instead of mastery ?

[tame terrace]

kinda

[haughty mural]

Based

Tar tea

[vestal escarp]

spec into silent

[inner meadow]

i buy thistle tea from the rogue vendor

[shell lance]

@vale pine the problem that I have say yesterday is not present when i make solo quest but only when I am in raid or dungeon

[chilly tree]

do we press ST at 6+ cp when symbols goes up or at whatever cp when symbols gets pressed?

also why are we pressing SD at low cp when symbols is active?

[alpine wraith]

you strike and premed fills cps

then you use a finisher so you get 2 globals to stack shadowcraft

[chilly tree]

Thank you

Poisons are too hard for me, sub it is

[tame terrace]

holy

pepw

[serene notch]

can someone show command to not accidently cast symbols twice?

[steel horizon]

!symbols

[wicked jolt]

How to Use Symbols of Death:
Symbols of Death is used with 3 or less seconds of the Symbols of Death buff remaining or if the buff is not up.
Watch your Shadow Dance cooldown before using Symbols of Death. If Shadow Dance is not on cooldown or if the remaining cooldown is lower than 10 seconds it is usually better to delay the Symbols of Death cast till after Shadow Dance.

[steel horizon]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null
/cqs

[serene notch]

thanks!

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[willow fulcrum]

What makes Sub so good on Queen? If I may ask a dumb question

[fringe palm]

1.30cds -> dmg on first platform and 3rd roots, boss damage was better than assa a few changes ago

[willow fulcrum]

I see, ty ty

[hazy breach]

Boss damage seems similar now to assa, but 1:30 cds is more rare than 2 mins

[serene notch]

is Trickster simming better for many of you guys for 5 min patchwork? mine is still behind DS by 37k or so.

[honest saddle]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[tribal blade]

from a 10 mists, it's hard to judge when everything is getting blown up in 5 seconds flat

but i like it so far

boss damage is way better

[honest saddle]

sub is good

I dunno if its as good as sin

but its good and it kills bosses

[chilly tree]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[merry agate]

unfortunatly high doubt; but i love it anyway

[warm aspen]

holy fuck playing 10s suck so much nowadays man

like

u can only send 1 dance with flag most of the time

cuz packs just die

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE upsetti spaghetti!

[merry agate]

that 3 charges of SoD gave us so much flexibility in m+ holy moly

[modern marten]

what is /cqs?

[lilac stag]

clear que spell

[modern marten]

ooooh nice

can that use modifiers?

[pliant topaz]

dont worry they bugfixed enhance so theyre 4% stronger than they were last week. with warrior buffs, spriest buffs, warlock buffs subs probably back to being worse spec in the gmae in all content

[tribal blade]

lol say it isn't so

[pliant topaz]

can you imagine how bad you have to be at your job tuning the game, that you fuck up so hard, that you end up buffing a specs main aoe filler by 35% 5 weeks after raid and m+ are out and no one still lpays it becuse its still that dogshit?

[tribal blade]

it's kinda crazy that they buffed just BP damage to help sub's aoe

when sub's aoe is completely different between hero trees

[vestal escarp]

pvp spec

[warm aspen]

NO, STOP

I'm literally reporting u to the FBI!

[warm aspen]

ngl tho I'm just glad to have gotten a rework only a couple of weeks in

[pliant topaz]

what