subtlety

[lilac stag]

one of the tcs would have to math it

we're kinda in the figuring it out as we go with keys

[keen dome]

I really like that we run Versa 'cos of the survivability it brings

[lilac stag]

ye

[ornate current]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[haughty mural]

ig forcing shadow is not worth it

[lilac stag]

it's a super small min max

personally I rather have more speed

since I'm assuming the PVP gems dont work in raid

[nimble burrow]

does the old raid has nothing good for us? i feel kinda broing and want to do it

just made a craft head

[lilac stag]

nothing crazy good no

[nimble burrow]

quite good stat rn

[haughty mural]

speed diamond enjoyer ?

[lilac stag]

crit .15

[haughty mural]

i'm with you on that one 🫡

[lilac stag]

this still doing work cracks me up

[haughty mural]

imo good thing delve trinkets not scaling higher

[lilac stag]

looking good

[hazy breach]

Not even 626 smh my head

[lilac stag]

eleem what are you at sim wise now?

[hazy breach]

1.4ish

[lilac stag]

ok, not too far behind then. 1.33

[nimble burrow]

yea blizz just giving me Sub&Outlaw Gear, he already know i would do Sub maybe this expac

[lilac stag]

putting everything back to ver/mas now with focusing

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[hazy breach]

I also have myth track in almost every slot because im an overgeared rat 🐀 💀

[keen dome]

the myth BoE belt being crit/versa is pretty nice.

[lilac stag]

i need the damn 639 daggie

[keen dome]

s a m e.

[lilac stag]

the vers/mas belt better ;p

[keen dome]

Truth but! I got this for 37.5k cos someone mis-listed it >:D

[lilac stag]

hah

[keen dome]

First two bosses are big value for Sub, though, which is nice.

[lilac stag]

listed as a normal

i think sikran neck is still an upgrade for me from heroic, same with contract

have a normal belt lol

[keen dome]

Good helm, belt, legs, dagger, cloak

I really need to get back to trying to pug the first two weekly 'cos the dagger is big

[mint swift]

Did they nerf this again? Was simming lower it felt like

[lilac stag]

huh?

[mint swift]

Idk I just remember one night it simmed higher then a few days later was lower

Either that or I’ve lost my mind

[lilac stag]

it's been pretty consistent.

mad queen been up and down with apl

[mint swift]

Ah that might be why

Cause that’s the item that was simming higher one day and lower on the other

My bad

[lilac stag]

all good, i was just confused. nothing new

[mint swift]

Yeye

Also how’s subs rota like without shadowdust

I ditched it and play Assa atm because I started to dislike playing sub

[lilac stag]

lovely

[mint swift]

Nice nice

Idk how good my stats are for it

[lilac stag]

engaging and rewarding would be the simplest of terms

[mint swift]

Got lots of mast and crit and barely any in the other 2

[lilac stag]

crit kinda took a dump

[mint swift]

Oh

So it’s just vers and mast

[lilac stag]

sim, but ye

[mint swift]

Ah ok

Idk if I’ll play it again as I’m enjoying Assa

[lilac stag]

def play what you enjoy. for most of the die hards in here this is a god send

[mint swift]

I mean I played mainly Assa from SL-DF, swapped to sub season 1 of DF, back to Assa in TWW

[haughty mural]

if you enjoy assa more i'd stick with it

i just came back in here 11.0.5 because i enjoy sub

A LOT MORE

[lilac stag]

the current version of assa is nice, I would be fine playing it, i just rather be on sub

[haughty mural]

yea same

i dont hate assa

[mint swift]

Fair
Tbh I’m enjoying Assa and boom the most

Arms war alt but they are under geared and I’m still confused by the prio list a bit

[haughty mural]

i'd wait with arms till next reset 😄

[lilac stag]

critcake saving arms 1 video at a time

[mint swift]

That execute buff is juicy

[lilac stag]

i haven't kept up with arms, but it looked like it was catching strays with talent tuning to fury

[mint swift]

It did

Got nerfed last patch

[hazy breach]

Well now it gets +10%

[mint swift]

Yuh

[flint umbra]

thats so dumb

[haughty mural]

?

[lilac stag]

Bugs

[pliant ledge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[pliant ledge]

hi, i wanted to ask, what are the reasons to play sub in m+?

[lilac stag]

big burst. big st dmg, very strong cleave

cooldown control

its fun

[pliant ledge]

how much worse do u believe it is compared to assa

[lilac stag]

you're not going to win overall dmg, but killing the stuff that is critical sub VERY good at again

[hazy breach]

I like pressing one button and having it do 14M on ST

[hazy breach]

In raid theyre about the same, keys its a bit worse

But so is everybody except like 1 or 2 specs

Assa is just insane in keys

[pliant ledge]

I would like to see DS buffed for sub tbh

I wanna see how it feels

[lilac stag]

you think you do, you dont

[pliant ledge]

but... it has a cooler looking icon...

[hazy breach]

Wdym

[pliant ledge]

I just like the idea more of a Deathstalker sub more thats all, I have no clue how it plays

[lilac stag]

like crap right now lol

[hazy breach]

In keys its miserable compared to trickster

on ST its fine

[lilac stag]

assa kinda weak on boss dmg, but it's aoe carries it hard overall. really just comes down to what you want to play and if you feel like youre forced into meta slaving

[pliant ledge]

im the kind of idiot that wants to shit on his friends in overall 😦

[lilac stag]

how bad are your friends?

[tribal blade]

yeah sin's ST dam is very underwhelming in M+ builds

i can't make it work on pure ST

[grave parcel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

as soon as you introduce a few more targets it becomes a lot more managable

[lilac stag]

i'm also not a fan of managing DM target

[hazy breach]

If you want boss dmg on sin you need to pull mobs ontop of the boss

[lilac stag]

its fine, just not what I like

[hazy breach]

Theyre the funnel spec after all

[tribal blade]

managing your marked target fucking blows

[tribal blade]

spread a couple of ruptures and you're BUSSING

like the 1st boss in siege is actually really nice as sin

spread a couple of ruptures and put all your damage into the boss

i think on my last 13 siege attempt i ended that boss at something like 1.9 mil dps

[lilac stag]

is anything really nice about siege?

[tribal blade]

every time i do the banana area i want to claw my eyes out

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/crazybanana-gif-7646074

my feet

[tribal blade]

NO BANANA

yet another way for blizz to make melee life a living hell

[lilac stag]

that cooridoor area is so awful

[tribal blade]

the visuals in the dungeon are so bad

undefined edges

all the colors blend into each other

everything is brown

from an aesthetic stand point 1/10

[keen dome]

I was doing it with a buddy, and he goes "..Oh no. I've banana'd us" as he accidently pulls two giants and 3 mini-packs lmao

[merry agate]

TfD in keys procs not that often but 12 second dances chefkiss

[lilac stag]

proccing it involves some patience

[coarse nexus]

its giga in nw i feel

[lilac stag]

18 procs in 22 minuts for dawn

[merry agate]

mists a lot of natural triggers 😛 labyrinth and all

[lilac stag]

you can use vanish if tank kinda chains

[haughty mural]

details doesnt track tfd as a buff right?

[tribal blade]

i bet you'd see it under buff duration

but as for how many times you got it, i don't think so

it'd prob just give you the % it was active

[gritty knot]

grim +10 with shitty pulls. Guys i am actually so happy i can play sub again and it feels really good tbh with 1:30 min cds now. So nice. Hopefully they will fix a few more bugs too and then we back at it fully! ❤️

[alpine wraith]

you can check procs on logs

but no idea how to do it on details easily

[haughty mural]

unforch not no

[hazy breach]

Theres two different first dance buffs

[alpine wraith]

yea the charging and the one that you get then you proc

[hazy breach]

But details aint looking at out of combat stuff

So you probably cant see it there

Need a log

[haughty mural]

thought so

ty

[tribal blade]

it would be nice to have a WA that has a countdown as soon as you leave combat

and announces when you gain TFD

[hazy breach]

I feel like thats overthinking it and just more likely to make you tilted than it is to help you

[tribal blade]

that's actually a very good point

[hazy breach]

Sure there are niche scenarios where you could wait 1s before shadowstriking in and it would help

But i feel like the vast majority of the time its gonna be the tank pulling the boss at 1s left

And you getting tilted

[keen dome]

Ye

There's some dungeons where I think we'll have it up a LOT (dawnbreaker) and some where I bet we have it up like. twice (Grim, maybe.)

[hazy breach]

Fairly sure its the play regardless

[keen dome]

I think so too

[hazy breach]

The alternatives are weak as well

[keen dome]

Even a couple of applications are probably going to make the overall feeling better.

[lilac stag]

it does, under buffs

[nimble burrow]

bro

thats crazy

[keen dome]

Hahaha, hell yes

Big burst! Let's goooo

[errant ferry]

Burst is nice, but man if anyone says we are not in a crap state right now we wrong 😦

Borderline unplayable in m+ high keys anyway

[lilac stag]

@haughty mural

[round latch]

trickster tech aight?

[gritty knot]

@round latch yes. and actually i had like 7-8 million dps some pulls, biggest was around 8,4 million burst in aoe. (with aug tho=

[round latch]

ive had pulls much higher as sin but ye its very very good,im going into deathstalker tech though

i wanna play sub

[gritty knot]

what a difference this is...i remember the biggest crazy pulls in necrotic week before changes and i pressed all my stupid buttons like a madman and still hadnt more than max 4 million

[round latch]

ive had 9mil pulls on NW

and my gear isnt that great

no skadryns

[lilac stag]

gl with DS.

[gritty knot]

as sub?

ah as assa u mean

[round latch]

im gonna mfkin smash everyone

[gritty knot]

ye assa goes crazy 😄

[round latch]

Coz im Sap

[gritty knot]

but i am sick of assa...

just wanna play sub again

[lilac stag]

smash my head against the desk playing DS sub

[lilac stag]

alpha nothing. the gameplay is just shit and not enjoyable for me

[round latch]

personally love it and used to it from arenas

literally played deathstalker sub on my orc

[lilac stag]

i stopped paying attention at arenas

[round latch]

weak

[spiral apex]

for raiding 11.0.5

assa or sub

[lilac stag]

whatever makes you happy. it's all good

[spiral apex]

i love both

[lilac stag]

youre asking inthe sub channel

what answer are you expecting

[spiral apex]

tell me sub

i need validation

[lilac stag]

sub is more than fine

[spiral apex]

thanks i knew it

[round latch]

irrelevant question but do u like mustard in ur hamburger?

[spiral apex]

im fine with it

[round latch]

then outlaw is for u

weird person

[lilac stag]

lol

[round latch]

joking ofc

[spiral apex]

😭

[lilac stag]

sub overall is in a good spot right now, added bonus trickster parry reduction works for raid, not just the rogue

[merry agate]

okay i'm a fan of first dance and its probably even better next week without these fkn orbs

[dawn hinge]

wait what, as in we bring a raid buff?

[lilac stag]

for your melee friends at least

[dawn hinge]

that's wicked

[tribal blade]

biggest difference it makes is for your tanks

[icy knot]

oh really, cool

ty

[keen dome]

You know who makes the first dance suck?

BRANN BRONZEBEARD

Where did you put the egg, Brann.

[weak horizon]

Let's say in a key I open with all CD's on first big pull but then until the next boss, I save SB and Flag.

So now the only CD's I use are Symbols/dance/cold blood/sectech

When is the most optimal time to use symbols/dance combo while clearing trash? After opener?

[haughty mural]

mine did not show somehow

checking again later when i'll be back home

thx anyway

[lilac stag]

Do you have it talented?

[steel spindle]

is it okay to just stack Mastery/Crit

instead of vers

[alpine wraith]

you will do less dmg but it is not horribe

[dry plank]

Better stuck vers, for assa it is also good

Switch neck and rings and you are gucci

[steel spindle]

yeah, like half and half

[vivid cobalt]

finally did some keys last night as trickster and ngl dude sub feels better now than before patch

[rough geyser]

Is sub fixed yet

[alpine wraith]

some bugs were fixed others remain

[hazy breach]

Not sure what fixed refers to

[thick field]

I see people in logs macrosing shadow dance with symbols - isnt thhis bad? don't you overwrite symbols?

[sick jackal]

Like 2ish secs

But in opener you wanna press symbols and dance together

[thick field]

right but then the second application you overwrite 2 sec

is is not that important?

[alpine wraith]

it is fine it is on pandemic

just i would not recommend

[thick field]

wait symbols has pandemic period?

[alpine wraith]

as i prefer to get a charger for sec tech or coup or both

with second symbols

yes it has pandemic

you can use it at 3 secs

[thick field]

damn this is all new sorry thank you

[vale pine]

sub works well after the changes, its fun to play

[sly shore]

kept recasting sod as sub with macro

so I changed it

/cast Thistle Tea
/cast !Symbols of Death
/cast Shadow Dance```

now it'll only cast if symbols isn't active

[vale pine]

oh thats smartk

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[sly shore]

😛

[vale pine]

was the other option

[sly shore]

na

my way is "better" for me

cos I enter dance with it

and I have a glow on symbols

[vale pine]

ye, its a good macro

[sly shore]

trigger 3 is the flag buffs

cos the only time u do it is during flag

+8 mists at 618 ilvl

and that's fucking up the first boss

[indigo drift]

Did everyone get some anti depressants after all your dooming

[sly shore]

this spec still has a lot of problems

it's not intuitive at all if you're new to it

[hazy breach]

This chat has been relatively doomfree for the past week now

[vale pine]

nicuu

[sly shore]

mists a pgud dungeon for tfd

or is it this one

[hazy breach]

The one ending in 77 is the countdown

[sly shore]

the 1:04 one is then

[hazy breach]

78 is the active one

[sly shore]

so 9

[warm goblet]

havent simmed or anything, just out of curiosity, wowhead suggests talenting into RS for single target trickster build

[alpine wraith]

yea it is fine

[warm goblet]

wouldn't finality also work there?

[alpine wraith]

no diff gates

[lilac stag]

you can sim that row and they’re all close

ie all shit

[warm goblet]

aight ty

a bit weird to me that 20% rup dam has the same value as finality

will sim tonight

[hazy breach]

You cant pick finality instead

[lilac stag]

As soon as an add comes in RS should win

sub rupture is strong

[hazy breach]

All of the points on the bottom is already spent

The things you can replace replicating with is gloomblade, the first dance, improved sht and mos

[sly shore]

this is wrong

it only stops you removing it, like a recastable ability

[hazy breach]

But also finality isnt that much stronger than replicating anyway, both are kinda ass. 1 point of finality is roughly 7.5% rupture damage and 7.5% evis damag. Which isnt that much more than 20% rupture damage

[sly shore]

/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null 
/cqs```

This obv works

[warm goblet]

aight ty, hadn't realised you couldn't pick finality

[vivid cobalt]

wait do we even have tea with the current spec?

[alpine wraith]

nope

[weak horizon]

What's the best way to manage holding Symbols+Dance for upcoming SB/Flag CD combo?

I've noticed sometimes I'm like ok cool I've got shadow dance in 50s and SB/Flag in 55s so I'll hold it, but then shadow dance CD keeps quickly going down

What's a good marker that you guys would hold symbols+dance?

[hazy breach]

I'd recommend to never sectech or dance when flag is 20s or less away

[weak horizon]

Ok so 20s left on SB/Flag is a good stop-marker for the smaller CDs?

[spark tusk]

discord is confused about your identity

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

he is a/b testing our brains

[weak horizon]

But it's insane to me how much of a step-up in DPS is

I went from sin to sub and I added like 350k dps on boss fights lol

[alpine wraith]

sub can be very good if you know how to use its strenghts

[old kayak]

how can i play with old Flag icon?

[crystal citrus]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[balmy notch]

hi i just started a sub rogue a couple days ago, im now lvl 74 and im kinda struggling to keep nimble flurry up 100% of the time, is it because i dont have disorienting strikes yet? does it become a non factor at 80 to the point you dont have to track it?

i guess low haste is also a thing because less secret techs overall

it happens a lot in dungeons that i get to a new pack and don't have unseen blade cd yet, and up wasting my opener doing shuriken storm black powder for poop dps

[alpine wraith]

yea disorienting strikes is big

without that one it is hard

[agile mural]

with trickster on aoe do i use cleave or black powder?

[alpine wraith]

you use evis

[balmy notch]

if i mess up and dont have unseen blade on opener, do i throw a naked secret tech to get nimble flurry up? or is it better to drool with shuriken/powder until everything lines up again?

[alpine wraith]

while flawless form is up

[old kayak]

How can i track sod charges

[sly shore]

add %s text

in display

[vestal escarp]

heh

doomfree they say

[lilac stag]

It’s been peaceful since SC got fixed

Unless you’re a simp

[fair stump]

On opener, I find myself with a good 5 seconds or so of symbols before dance expires. Do I press both at the same time or press dance and wait until symbols goes down to pandemic timer?

Also, I tend to have 1 more gcd left for sectec, so I tend to dance > evisc > symbols > sectec >evisc, is that fine?

That would be the second dance of the opener

[keen dome]

Did a +10 Dawnbreaker as Sub. Felt super good to be playing the spec in keys like that again. Almost beat my Ret buddy. Didn't time because, uh, shenanigans happened with some trash.

TFD felt really good in it, too

[weak horizon]

How many targets do you decide between aoe rotation vs focusing/single targeting in trash clearing

I feel like sub is insanely strong on ST so I'm struggling to find a decent number of enemies to decide aoe rotation on

My guess is 3-4?

Like most specs I guess

[vestal escarp]

if you're playing trickster you dont

[keen dome]

Well, my AoE rotation is the same as my ST rotation 'cos trickster.

So I just slam.

[weak horizon]

So no shuriken?

[vestal escarp]

outside dance

[keen dome]

Only outside dance, yeah.

Very little changes until.. 13 targets?

[weak horizon]

So during dance I should be focusing ST damage, and outside of dance then I should do shuriken?

[keen dome]

In dance Strike is more valuable and you generate more combies. So you can Strike Evis to AoE, etc. outside, Shurien gives us more combies which is why we use it.

(In AoE situations)

[balmy notch]

is there a reason to track goup de grace? does it change anythign in the rotation?

[vestal escarp]

yeah, if you want more precise condition check the wowhead guide

and be sure you're reading stuff for the appropriate hero talents

[spark tusk]

There's a reason to, it can let you know when you can evis over rupture if rupture doesn't need immediate refresh to get off coup earlier, some very min-max things for not major gains

but it can be leveraged

More advanced sub players I'm sure have stronger opinions that I do, I haven't even tried playing in the patch but from discussing with Armin there's some use to it still

[balmy notch]

im omega noob not even lvl 80 yet, can i disable tracking until im more comfortable with the spec?

[spark tusk]

100%

[balmy notch]

sweet ty

[spark tusk]

don't worry about tracking it for now

[lilac stag]

You need to rectify this tragedy.

[spark tusk]

better?

or you mean

I need to play the spec

[hazy breach]

You dont really use bp or anyhting to hold onto coup anymore ye

(unless its like silken court with a damage amp)

[spark tusk]

eleem why is bountiful seasons still finesse

[hazy breach]

No idea

Guess winter is only november

[keen dome]

Maybe tomorrow.

Clocks go back (In the UK). maybe, for some incredibly strange reason, that's when Blizz decided to go for it

[lilac stag]

This

[spark tusk]

Listen I have priorities I'll get to it

[gray zephyr]

So we don't hold coup for next shadow dance? I thought that was the play
And also doing black powder in the meantime

[hazy breach]

its not bad to do

Its neutral

But its more thinking so no point to recommend it

[gray zephyr]

Understood

[spark tusk]

I assume that like

If for some reason you don't have fazed up

you should hold coup until then, yeah?

[hazy breach]

Ye that too

[keen dome]

tasty rock candy.

[hazy breach]

Using coup without fazed stinks

[spark tusk]

gushers

[keen dome]

Haha

Fruit pastels

[iron imp]

Did sub see significant rotation changes with the patch? Other than the obvious dust CDR, but CDs just natty line up now

[lilac stag]

yes

[balmy notch]

is there a way to disable tricks of the trade animation? i just got the talent and it sits on me for 1 hour lol its so distracting

[iron imp]

bummer, I kinda liked the way sub played

[lilac stag]

It plays better

And I was a dust enjoyer

[hazy breach]

Ye like scath said it generally has a better flow now than with dust imo

[lilac stag]

check wowhead for a summary

[hazy breach]

Supercharger 👌

I still dont understand why flag is 24 seconds and not like 20, but it is what it is

[lilac stag]

This may be my favorite flow since dfa

[iron imp]

Really? Wow alright sweet

Ill have to play around with it

[lilac stag]

stuff feels meaningful

[balmy notch]

do we have to track this or is it just a passive dmg bonus to finishers?

[lilac stag]

You can track it

Not needed

[hazy breach]

Mostly passive not needed to track it

[pliant topaz]

U don’t track it really, if u do the sextech <8 naturally one of the 2 will be on sectech which is all u care about

[pliant topaz]

Told u

[hazy breach]

The supercharger "buff" lasts indefinitely so you can use a symbols as soon as you rez and you will start the boss fight with 2 charged finishers

(you can stack up to 7 charges but it resets down to 2 when you pull a boss, so no need to cast more than one symbols)

[lilac stag]

RS inting still

[pliant topaz]

Bow if we could get a talent that makes idk blades reset a sod charge or something or every x charges u get a charge back or something. That’d be neat. Maybe make the refund a charge for m+

That’d be neat

Or something like fiery rush, where sod and dance recharge faster during blades for example

[balmy notch]

sorry to ask again but do we just play with the tricks of the trade animation on us permanently? its so annoying lol

[lilac stag]

pmuch

[keen dome]

Blades resetting a SoD would be pretty nice, that's a cool idea

[steel spindle]

would you use a 619 skardyns grace over a 626 transmitter

[sly shore]

no

transmitter is too good for sub

[warm ore]

Anyone have some gameplay i can watch or a video guide or something. Cant really wrap my head around how it plays without seing it

[pliant topaz]

U can maybe catch stealthi when he’s streaming, not a lot of sub creators.

Or maybe when kierons streaming

[haughty mural]

Of course

Im not new to

[fair anchor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[haughty mural]

You could play the other node and provide your team with a speedshroud every 2.7 minutes

[balmy notch]

i thought i might as well never worry about threat again but ill probably do that, this is a nightmare lol its flashy and its in the middle of my screen

[ivory sorrel]

Any beginner sub rogue guides you guys recommend ?

Trying to understand what order to click stuff lol

[pliant topaz]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Oxi

[sinful sluice]

5 hours of ovinax and couldnt even get to 50%

🥲

[steel horizon]

the way she goes

[lilac stag]

3 hours of WA setup

[sinful sluice]

well

one of our raiders didnt know what weakaura was...

[lilac stag]

did you run sub?

[sinful sluice]

yep

honestly i just can't play assa for some reason

just so boring to play

[steel horizon]

its way better on ovinax though

its the only fight i play sin

[sinful sluice]

ik, but just wanna keep on pushing with sub

we play 8 hrs per week only on weekends so

maybe 2-3 weeks later we will het her

[violet torrent]

Is the parry thing intentional for trickster or is it only meant for rogue?

As in "buff" for the raid

[hazy breach]

Probably not intentional

But its extremly minor anyway

[violet torrent]

Yeah. Was just curious

I'm sin atm on Princess but could dabble back in sub soon for silken/queen

[sinful sluice]

whats parry?

[trim ridge]

did my first +10 as sub, felt pretty good i'm so happy with the changes lol

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, you blasted!

[violet torrent]

Ds or trickster in keys?

[hazy breach]

Tricky

[fallen crescent]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[alpine wraith]

the name of that dragon

[nimble burrow]

Masters may i ask do we only send Symbols when we have secret?

Like TC info the 2nd rule?

[uneven scarab]

you align around secret

[steel horizon]

Man the thing where if you vanish and then cast SS really quickly and then it just takes you out of stealth without casting the SS is so annoying

I have to vanish, wait like 1 or 2 seconds and then SS

[uneven scarab]

I thought i was crazy this kept happening to me on queen thursday

i was blaming the lag for it though

[steel horizon]

Nah just another crappy bug

[uneven scarab]

Eh well could be worse

[steel horizon]

I think it happens if you SS in the same gcd as vanish

[uneven scarab]

Annoying though

[steel horizon]

Yeah. Just gotta keep telling myself to pause after vanishing lol

[uneven scarab]

Just gonna have to train my brain yeah

[trim ridge]

yepp

[tame terrace]

for ST, we dont blades for sectech? or that just an opener only thing? looking at wowhead

[uneven scarab]

You blades right after u sectech

Blades doesnt affect it anyway

[tame terrace]

ah

[edgy zenith]

okay where the fuck do you poised shadows from

like where in the tree

[uneven scarab]

its tier set

[edgy zenith]

ohhhhhhh

[uneven scarab]

The increased dam after sectech

[edgy zenith]

ye

[uneven scarab]

I think

Yea

[edgy zenith]

thought it was a talent for some reason

could not find it in spellbook was driving me crazy

lmao

[uneven scarab]

We’ve all been there

[edgy zenith]

what a great tier set we have btw

gonna miss it

[uneven scarab]

I do like it alot tbh

same

very bursty

[edgy zenith]

strong, damage in the right part of the kit

perf

[tame terrace]

then why does the opener graphic for multi do blades before sectech

[uneven scarab]

Maybe some optimization in aoe im not sure

Maybe also outdated? Idk

Probably some reason for it

Im positive blades doesnt work with sectech though

[edgy zenith]

it works on the phys portion

not the clones

iirc

[uneven scarab]

Hmm

[tame terrace]

well if thats what the apl says to do i guess

[edgy zenith]

i think you just slam all CDs same time and pray you get 16 shadowcrafts back to back

[tame terrace]

lol

[uneven scarab]

Best feeling fr

Machine gun finishers

[tame terrace]

no more vanish as a dps tool kinda funny

for sub

[uneven scarab]

Its so nice

[tame terrace]

sin and outlaw still use it for dps LOL

its so fucking funny

[edgy zenith]

i had a 4 in row last night in opener, didn't even know it was possible

[nimble burrow]

brothers i want to make a little Wa for this part idk whether i will success but lets try

[tame terrace]

oh is eleems thing also updated in the faq

i didnt check that

[nimble burrow]

yea i check but i just cant make my memory good at it

always forget

so i was going like making a WA to remind me of that

[edgy zenith]

real talk, I kinda like the idea of sending SoD around sectech and not sending sectech inside SoD

like the prio there

is way more fun

i am so happy with the changes so far

[uneven scarab]

M+ feels alot better

[tame terrace]

im on vaca rn and havent tried new sub yet

[uneven scarab]

More consistently blasting packs

[edgy zenith]

yeah, I actually had a 2M overall in a key without an aug

i didn't think it would ever be possible

[nimble burrow]

any weakaura master? i guess it need custom Code

[uneven scarab]

Boss dam is

[spark tusk]

At this point I have finished my Assassination WAs, and I will be moving into Sub for the patch soon. One of the main things I want to tackle is showing your Dance and Symbols charges predicted at the time of blades so you can know if you're save to use them again.

So, I will be working on some custom stuff, though I think what you posted, Bac, doesn't necessarily require custom code

But I have my eye on sub now over the next week so I can cook up something

[edgy zenith]

yeah, you can make that without custom code, just using triggers with duration values

you'll need a custom trigger

but not a custom event trigger

[nimble burrow]

oh i am a aura noob, i thought it needs to let WA to check which time to proc the rules we need

[alpine wraith]

right now might want to put 2 warnings on sec tech

1 to holf if CB is 10 secs or less away

then same if flag is 20 secs away

those will help people the most rn

[spark tusk]

noted

[edgy zenith]

just get lucky and send it anyway

[alpine wraith]

for symbols i dont think you can do much because it is very dynamic

[alpine wraith]

no for the cb in between cds you want it like that because otherwise cdr becomes a mess

[edgy zenith]

just send CB on an evis and natty crit the sectech

[spark tusk]

For that screenshot specifically I don't think any custom trigger is needed. Just cooldown triggers on the 3 abilities is enough

[edgy zenith]

ez clap

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[spark tusk]

then a bunch of condition logic

[nimble burrow]

i want to make it like the Traffic light, when the 1st rule comes, it becomes red on icon with glow and we cast nothing burst to wait, then when we reach 2nd rule, it show yellow glow to tell us we can send one symbol with secret, at 3rd rules it just become green light then we brust

[spark tusk]

Just briefly you can make an aura with sectec cd trigger 1, then dance/sod/flag cd triggers
Make 3 glows, one for each color
then go down the line, if flag cd < 20, red.
if flag cd > 20 and sectec rdy, etc etc, yellow

[edgy zenith]

yeah, or if you just want an icon that'll pop up when you should send CDs, you could make a bunch of triggers with those durations that you want (the rules of sending the sectech: flag under blah, this many charges of blah, etc) and just make it so it only triggers with all triggers active

that'll be easier to make, but no red-light, green-light thing

[nimble burrow]

thats a good idea too

but now my issue is i cant find CD in trigger

[spark tusk]

Change "Type" dropdown to "Spell"

[nimble burrow]

okay sir

[uneven scarab]

ma’am****

[nimble burrow]

yes i get it

[spark tusk]

Currently my plan is to have a light nudge on Flag when it's under the threshold, which informs if you sectec.

Then having an overlay onto my Blades CD telling me "When blades is ready, at current state you will have X Symbols charges and Y Dances", with which you use those numbers to determine if you send either of those with your sectec. The Dances number will always be updating because of CDR which I think is ok, I really don't want to get into predicting cdr based on CP usage, so I think I'll just stick with it normally for the first version and see how it feels

That's waht I've been brainstorming before starting my updates anyways

[nimble burrow]

very good idea

[edgy zenith]

hmmm, the dance CDR part is the hard part to determine for most people though, no?

[spark tusk]

Possibly

But at the very least it will do some of the mental math for you right

to at least say "for the natural cd, you'll be here" and you will slowly work progress towards it with cdr

again, for first version

Actually determining with the CDR is such a dynamic situation based on usage and the fight and how many you get from aoe vs st etc

[edgy zenith]

yeah, it would be VERY hard to predict if you should send anyway

you could find the average amount of time it takes for a dance charge to CD

[spark tusk]

that it would be a very crazy set of measurements etc

[edgy zenith]

and then use that number as the threshold

[spark tusk]

and may be way more work than needed, the straightforward telling of the number may be enough

[spark tusk]

yeah that's another way

Again, planning on not doing it first version, if it feels like it's not enough info I'll look into expanding it

[edgy zenith]

i actually don't even know the number honestly, I just feely-craft it

and I'm right most of the time lmao

[spark tusk]

I mean these are clearly not necessary, like you all are playing fine so far without

but I think it could help some of the mental math cog load

[edgy zenith]

definitely. but that's part of the fun!

[violet torrent]

Loving your WeakAura pack thanks for all the work 🙂

[sinful sluice]

Anyone Using sod pre-pull?

[spark tusk]

Glad you like it, sorry for the lack of sub attention with the patch, been bogged down with assa updates and other stuff, but getting to it next

[edgy zenith]

everyone

rez and just send one insta

in raid anyway

[sinful sluice]

How long does supercharge stay?

[edgy zenith]

forever

but resets to 2 on pull

[sinful sluice]

WHAT

[edgy zenith]

yep

rez and send one insta in raid

[sinful sluice]

Ive been missing so much dmg

[uneven scarab]

Yeah just get one on cd before pull

[edgy zenith]

it's OP

[uneven scarab]

yep

Well its not THAT much damage

but its nice

[violet torrent]

I've been sin myself haven't got to dabble back to sub since patch either. I understand haha

[edgy zenith]

feels good for rupture basically

not sure how much damage increase it actually is

[sinful sluice]

Cant seem to get good logs off AoE bosses..

Well for 2nd boss i went for far AoE so cant really do much but for 1,4

[edgy zenith]

rash logs only account for boss dam, unless they changed it back and I don't know

[sinful sluice]

They cound adds now

Count*

[edgy zenith]

oh, nice. i sit on rash in my guild so

[uneven scarab]

Yeah you can choose to count/exclude

[sinful sluice]

And fury warrior just juice them up

[uneven scarab]

default i think counts them

[nimble burrow]

does this means the CD to active? i didnt find the "remaining CD" option, Trigger 3 is for flag, and this is for the 1st rule

[edgy zenith]

first set of adds might not get insta blasted anymore because of no dust, how does that feel btw

[sinful sluice]

On rashanan?

Its oneshot anyway, you cant do that much dmg to adds

For me i just do 1 sectech per add and cant really do more

[edgy zenith]

I think it's remaining duration

[nimble burrow]

hum..

[spark tusk]

"Since Ready" means "The time between when it became ready and now".

For the Cooldown trigger, you use should use Remaining Duration

Keep in mind this setting as well

If you have this ^ set to On Cooldown

It will only show up when it's on Cooldown and will not when it's ready

I like to have that set to Always most of the time

[nimble burrow]

oh, i was setting to this but i didnt understand the word at first then i change it, now i understand, ty Lisonna!

[edgy zenith]

oh I just mean your third sectech when you played dust would land EXACTLY on that first add set

and so YOU would be the top dog and just oneshot everything

not sure how it lines up now with no dust

haven't played that fight yet

[sinful sluice]

You still have your sectech, but its your 2nd one i believe

[tame terrace]

hows ds vs trickster now? still the same reasons to play either of them as before?

[edgy zenith]

yes, but you can play trickster ST too if you want bc DS is bugged

so they are basically the same dam

[tame terrace]

ah

[spark tusk]

DS is for squares

Trickster is the

[sinful sluice]

Yeah i checked again, you have to hold your 2nd tech to use them on adds

Cant have 3red one back by the time

[edgy zenith]

I'm playing it in princess prog for the cloak duration

[spark tusk]

That's probably for the best, I think progression is worth being square

[edgy zenith]

😦

btw does elusiveness stack with Bait and Switch?

for evasion?

[violet torrent]

I'd think so

[edgy zenith]

so having both would give 36% magic DR and 20% phys DR?

[tame terrace]

sub do be trickster, sin deathstalker, and outlaw fatebound
it do just be like that frfe

[zenith oriole]

How is Sub now since the rework?

[edgy zenith]

👍

[nimble burrow]

brothers i failed..

[edgy zenith]

this is the way of weak aura creation

you're on the path my son

praise []

[lilac stag]

Phone a friend?

[nimble burrow]

idk why it even not glowing

[lilac stag]

Is the glow set to be off for a different condition?

[edgy zenith]

yeah check glow visibility

on display tab

[lilac stag]

or it glows when it comes off CD? And then shuts off the rest of the time

[edgy zenith]

and make sure you're either adding the visibility with the right condition as well

or make it turn off with the other conditions

[nimble burrow]

oh i see

[young path]

Is this upcoming bug fix effecting every eviscerate now?

[edgy zenith]

add that glow thing as another then

[zenith oriole]

What do I need to write in my macro so that it doesnt show me the cooldown of Cold blood?

[edgy zenith]

#showtooltip Secret Technique before it

[young path]

#showtooltip

[edgy zenith]

you need the Secret Technique name after #showtooltip bc ur casting CB first

[zenith oriole]

ty

[soft summit]

looking for a weak aura that tracks shadowcraft. Any suggestions?

[uneven scarab]

Most all the packs have some sort of tracker

Kpb’s has a craft tracker built into the combo points

[soft summit]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[zenith oriole]

Can I write a macro that it doesnt activate cold blood for Eviscerate but only for Coup?

[nimble burrow]

yea i did, but it not glowing, maybe i should ask some masters to know how it works, also with no casting Symbol it wont be show

[edgy zenith]

that means the condition isn't being met above, so double check that all the conditionals make sense

you can send me the wa and I'll give it a lookover rq, but no promises

[nimble burrow]

it will be happy to

just DMed u sir!

time to bedge, its been too late, i made this in half-sleepy

[lucid lily]

Pretty sure we only want to cold blood before sectec

Which you can macro

[edgy zenith]

okay, couple of things:
I believe charge values can only be integer values, so no rational numbers in there (you had 1.1, 1.5, etc.) You could find a work around by doing something like charge = 1 AND remain duration <= 12.5s for SoD or something like that, but I wouldn't do something like that, it would be too complicated for your level of WA creation haha

Change it so in the display tab the glows 1, 2, and 3 have the "Show Glow" box UNCHECKED, and make it so in the conditions tab the Then statement for each conditional has the glow 2 visilibity ON (has the checkmark filled in)

also, not sure what you're wanting in conditional 2 for trigger 4 active false, this means that this conditional will ONLY fire when shadow dance is NOT on cooldown, meaning it has 2 stacks. I don't think you are meaning for this to happen

[edgy zenith]

you are never sending CB on anything but Secret Technique, but to answer your question: no I don't think you can

[nimble burrow]

okay i will change the things u mentioned and test it again

ty for helping!

[edgy zenith]

also, there is going to be a problem I think with having the Show option on "On Cooldown"

you should have it set to always for all of them

[nimble burrow]

thats fair

[edgy zenith]

otherwise the triggers won't be active unless the spell is on CD and your condionals won't be active so it will never tell you to send your buttons if all your stuff is ready

which doesn't make sense lmao

[alpine wraith]

nope only supercharged evis as intended

damn feeling like a dh this dung with madd queen procs

[uneven scarab]

Flurry go brrrrr

[edgy zenith]

7 crits is crazy

[alpine wraith]

affix this week helps a bit but this is mad dawg rng

man i did 3 dawnbreakers in a row

[weary kite]

in trickster single target does secret tech always go first in dance?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[ember sentinel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm aspen]

why does sacbrood sim so bad for sub lol

[narrow shadow]

How's sub in M+ after the changes?

[narrow shadow]

Cause haste

[lilac stag]

Sub great in m+

[fierce cedar]

did they fix the bug with flurry?

[alpine wraith]

there was never a bug just for some reason it was krangled outside instanced content

[woeful egret]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[woeful egret]

you guys having issues when you pop cds you just stop generating combo points?

[zenith oriole]

Just did my first M+ after Sub rework. Was fun to play alot less stressful

This with unoptimal gear and bad specc gameplay almost 1mil overall as 609 gs

[woeful egret]

I'm pumping compared to before

[zealous narwhal]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[woeful egret]

I swear, I just did second dance after cds and my abilities topped generating combo points

I think there is a flag bug

or something

[balmy notch]

w

[woeful egret]

If I pop cds alot of the time I don't generate any combo points

[alpine wraith]

maybe you inhaled too much galaxy gas

although weird things can happen i got the coup bug in a dung earlier

[woeful egret]

it was in necrotic wake

it must have been something weird, working fine on training dummies

[edgy zenith]

so, small optimization in CDs: send SoD as late as possible (not just in pandemic window) to make one of the supercharger CP on a sectech?

is this a thing?

[hazy breach]

The supercharge should be on sectech yes

[edgy zenith]

i noticed if ur palying DS, if you don't send the SoD as late as possible

you get 2 Evis before the sectech

had no idea until just now

second SoD anywa

y

[grave abyss]

would it be stupid to just macro SoD + cold blood + sectech?

[edgy zenith]

CB sectech is fine

i wouldn't do SoD

[warm aspen]

is it on the trash pack

with the floating caster

b4 the double skeleton pull

[ornate berry]

Yeah there's a caster that becomes immune to physical damage in NW

The unique named necromancer

[weary kite]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Oxi

[fathom meadow]

does "Airborne irritant" not work on the orbs during the ascedant affix?

[gaunt knoll]

Any of the trinkets or daggers out of BRD worth using?

[warm aspen]

it's bugged

it has to target a mob

to spread the aoe blind

[cursive vapor]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[vale pine]

if you don't have heroic item level daggers, they are about on par in power level

[woeful egret]

I was trippin because that has never happend before

[alpine wraith]

oh that fucker yea

you need someone to dispel him

[clever delta]

does anyone have some visualy nice poison remindeR?:)

[alpine wraith]

https://wago.io/yUMsTUPTx/4

[lilac stag]

Stop using click WA’s drrr

[alpine wraith]

i find it neat

think someone also has a macro

but i cba searching

[placid elk]

apparently my old bind of mouse wheel up for symbols really doesnt work when you got 3 stacks of symbols.
anyone got a macro that can help me? castsequence?

[wind canopy]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[placid elk]

ty

[wispy bolt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pcW1zKqkZMrydTav#fight=last&type=damage-done sub feeling pretty good. burst on large packs i nice

[slate nest]

anyone has a tfd talent build?

idk what to swap out, I already am planning on swapping from tornado bcs I just don't like it

[pliant topaz]

swap out WM for TFD

[slate nest]

Ah

And if I swap from Tornado to veiltouched that's good?

[pliant topaz]

yeah i dont run tornado myself

[slate nest]

also I really need shiv in the build bcs of deenrage

so I just take out iron stomach idk if that's the best thing to take out but yea

[pliant topaz]

sure

[slate nest]

this is what I have currently

hopefully good enough

[pliant topaz]

thats what i run too

[young path]

Soothing darkness kinda sucks now… I lean towards leech, but both feel terrible

[slate nest]

I mean you still use vanish

Even without shadowdust

For a free shadowstrike hit

[young path]

I guess if I wrap my mind around vanish being util / def vs send when I’m out of dances it might help

[slate nest]

Yup, no longer an offensive cd

[pliant topaz]

imo 2 things, 1) u can use the vanish shield instead of the stealth dr talent, and soothing darkness. together they can be very strong defensives for higher keys.

[young path]

I can see it, maybe I’ll give that a go

[slate nest]

Oh yeah

I might do that aswell

[glacial basin]

!snd

[young path]

I’ve had flawless stack upwards of 15-16 and any additional shadowstrike even if only one from vanish adds loads of damage depending on the circumstance

For sure gonna try TfD talent at some point today/tomorrow

[formal helm]

1st time I've played after 11.0.5. bc I was busy

this shit feels so insanely shit rn

gimme back my shadowdust.

[slate nest]

I like it actually

[warm aspen]

isn't it nice to have a DR baked into dance tho

feint's off gcd but it feels so horrible to press it while bursting

energy wise

[clever delta]

im actually trying to swap from this to stop getting lua error

[alpine wraith]

someone posted a macro in assa i think

i just added a custom trigger for the errors to F off

[sweet summit]

youll come around

it feels smoother to play imo

[trim ridge]

been queueing for a fucking m+ for an hour getting declined

how much rio do u need to get into a fucking +8

my god

[vestal escarp]

You can push your key to 8 with no effort

[trim ridge]

yhea i just want a grim batol

and i dont have one myself

[pine badge]

you're fighting a long list of people to get into a GB

[trim ridge]

like i have 2k4 raider io it inst dogshit

and i dont get invited to a mere +7

lol

i guess they see the sub rogue

and get scared

LMAO

[vestal escarp]

Q simulator

[trim ridge]

now that i think abt it i've never managed to get invited as sub rogue with pugs LMAO

always had to do with premades

[vestal escarp]

I doubt ppl are checking specs for a 7

Dw just keep looking

[trim ridge]

i dont see what they are checking then

LMAO

been an hour

GOT INVITED

FUCK YES

[gray zephyr]

Shouldn't aoe blind (choose node in class tree, 2nd row) work on this week affix as aoe cc? Cuz it doesn't 😅

[lilac stag]

Target a mob, not the affix

[gray zephyr]

So it will work on affixes when I cast it on regular mobs?

[lilac stag]

Yes

[gray zephyr]

Okay, gonna try that tomorrow, thank yoy

[vale pine]

true

[mental kettle]

feels outlaw man

what's the sub situation these days? How come it's not super strong rn?

[spark tusk]

So we aim to have 2 dance 2 symbols when flag + blades is ready

but dance's max charges are 2, so I assume we try to press flag when dance is very close to capping?

[near rivet]

you are using second dance like 10 seconds after using flag

[spark tusk]

ah ok right

[near rivet]

counting on fingers, you should easily build up like 15-20 seconds of CD during that time (+ 10 seconds of natural time)

so my guess is 1,5 stacks should be fine, but i havent done the math there

[spark tusk]

was just reading the recommendations too literally

yeah something like that

makes sense thanks

[near rivet]

i need to sit for a while and math in a formula for symbols into WA

and stop wondering mid pack if can i use it or do i need to hold for cds that happen in next 40 seconds

[spark tusk]

Already cooking

if you didn't want to do that work, of course you're free to as well

[golden totem]

Why do we finish at 6cp during dance now

[near rivet]

i have a bootleg version of luxthos WA from BFA

[spark tusk]

Currently what I have cooking but it's still early on, those are number of charges you will have when blades is ready, not sure if that needs to be moved to flag instead

[near rivet]

and i kinda grow used to it hard enough, that im simply unable to play without it

[rugged flicker]

did subrogue get damage nerfed?

[hazy breach]

Its like +0.4% or something. Since tww

[rugged flicker]

im no longer one shotting anything in tomb of sargeras (lvl 47) mythic

[hazy breach]

But for deathstalker its about the same to finish at 5 or 6

[rugged flicker]

at 604 ilvl

[spark tusk]

So like when sectec comes up, if dance charge > 2.6 or 2.7 or whatever it is, send dance, if symbols > 3, send symbols

[golden totem]

Nice to know. Feels bad to finish at 5 multiple times in a row so guess I'll change this habit

[spark tusk]

Or maybe they should be on top of sectec

[near rivet]

• also, when i code the WA's to actually work according to APL then i learn the rotation way faster than doing the dummy

[spark tusk]

since that's the operative spell

[golden totem]

I'll do my feel craft of finishing at 5 if there is 3 gcd left or strike again at 5 if 2gcd left

Seems good to me

[wind canopy]

Yeah, since you’re kinda playing around that more than anything

[spark tusk]

Also

My sectec and flag are next to each other on the pack

so I can put them on the edge of sectec that borders flag, because that's also operative to sectec

[near rivet]

i think you need around 1.7 symbols charge when pressing flag

second charge should come up when ready

[spark tusk]

hm

yeah so then if the number I have is > 2.7

you're in the clear

to symbols

May have to test about and find that exact number but that's the idea

once we know it

Not currently planning on trying to fiddle with dance CDR and think I'm just going to let it show the natural progression

at least, for the first version

[golden totem]

[silent ruin]

why does the latest hotfix talk about dispatch for subtlety ?

[near rivet]

since flag cast and first dance expiry you should do around 5 finishers, thats 35 (+6 from supercharged) combo points, wo its 20 seconds cdr on dance

5 is the low-end guess

[wind canopy]

Because both abilities were affected by the bug. So probably didn’t want to repeat it and just wrote it in the sub section. That or forgot to put it in the outlaw section.

[spark tusk]

Well it's just that it'll vary between aoe and st

[near rivet]

i dont think so tbh

you are either using an premed buff or shadow blades

so each global is full cp

[pulsar thorn]

has anyone tested the BRD dagger from flamelash yet?

[balmy notch]

if i wanna mess around with first dance for m+ do i remove weaponmaster or replicating shadows?

[steel horizon]

WM

[wind canopy]

They should be implemented in raidbots, so you can sim them.

[soft vault]

thistle tee has become a joke, subtetly is now a zugzug spec, for easymode newbie rogues that only knows to play assassination, now they can also play subtetly

fml

[balmy notch]

im new to the spec and im struggling really hard to take advantage of the energy restore from symbols, it ends up messing my cd windows and eats up like 70% of my mental power midfight, can i just ignore it and send symbols at 150 energy?

is it like a giga dps loss to do so?

[soft vault]

im talking about pvp btw

[steel horizon]

Why do you have tea spec'd in the first place?

[pulsar thorn]

ty

[balmy notch]

i dont have tea im talking about symbols of death restoring a bunch of energy instantly on press

[steel horizon]

You said 150 energy

[balmy notch]

100*

[steel horizon]

Sometimes you cant help but energy cap. The important thing is that you dont run out of energy during dance

Ideally you send it when you're sub 50 energy but depending on situation u cant always

[balmy notch]

mainly the opener is my issue, i definitely cant burn my energy fast enough, energy starts being a thing after 2nd dance

i guess thats normal?

[steel horizon]

Yea it doesn't matter

As long as you're doing the rotation correctly

If you try to wwait until you're low energy, you gonna mess it up

Especially on the opener

[gritty knot]

Today I timed necrotic, ara, siege and CoT all in +12 as sub and I had so much fun after a long time. I am so glad sub is back guys. If we continue to show sub power maybe in some time you don't need to fool ppl que'ing as assa and then stealth changing to sub right before starting the Key 😂😂

[steel horizon]

Before and after key lol

[plush roost]

wait is sub decent in keys now?

[hazy breach]

yes

[plush roost]

lfg

[hazy breach]

But assa is cracked

And like the best spec in the game

So thats why theres still mostly assa

[plush roost]

true and real

ironwire go br

[pliant topaz]

thats enhancepretty sure after .5

but yeah assa goodge

[manic island]

wait sub is good in keys?

since when

[pliant topaz]

enhance just broken tho

[hazy breach]

theyre getting nerfed though

[manic island]

i havnt played in a bit, supercharger was just not working at all? lmao

[pliant topaz]

yeah 10% surely i enough

[wind canopy]

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hulk-perfectly-balanced-balance-bruce-banner-like-a-frog-gif-26290437

The only thing that could take resto shaman out of meta is enhancement shaman.

[woeful egret]

dude I am serious

in necrotic wake weird stuff happens with my combo point generation

[lilac stag]

RS causes delays

or something else?

[trim ridge]

i feel good abt it but that doesnt mean that the playerbase perception of sub rogue is good

they probably still think that it sucks ass since assa is the op one

[woeful egret]

just like I use dance and symbols i get no cps

i just died on the last boss because I was exiled and when I did dance I couldn't kill the add

I've only experienced it in necrotic wake

I might also suck

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty mural]

[warm aspen]

oh that's becuz u have tricks on tank

the last boss add is trying to path to ur tank and just evades everything

[tribal blade]

yeah make sure to click off tricks before last boss

or else you gonna die when you get sent down

[steel horizon]

So thats what that is...

Good ol spaghetti

[nimble burrow]

gm brothers

[warm aspen]

technically functioning properly lol

[steel horizon]

🤔

[warm aspen]

yeah if all the threat u generate goes to the tank then the mob trying to path to ur tank is normal right

[steel horizon]

If theres no valid path to the tank though..

[tribal blade]

ok i'm playing sub in our heroic clear

this shit is AWESOME

[steel horizon]

I guess its "technically" functioning properly but still tastes like spaghetti

[warm aspen]

LUL yeah

this is less code issue

and more blizzard simply not thinking things through with 1 hour tricks

[tribal blade]

it's only 1 instance in M+ where it's an issue

not too bad

you reminded me i need a WA to remind me to cancelaura tricks

when i get to that boss

[haughty mural]

Ofc it is 🙂

Watch us all doom 1.5 weeks ago just to come back vibing hard

(I was one of them ngl)

But I’m vibing

Also tfd is great (would be cooler if they tuned it to 3 seconds )

[steel horizon]

i feel like im the only tornado enjoyer

[tribal blade]

the literal only thing that bothers me atm is energy outside of symbols

[haughty mural]

Me too brother - imo just revert storm and backstab energy nerfs