subtlety

[woeful egret]

that must be why I suck lol

[keen dome]

I do think we've been progressivel getting a 'better' time though. Through DF, into TWW. There's been a tremendous amount of very good QoL. But..

[left ledge]

Idk, dragonflight just kept getting worse lmao

[keen dome]

It's QoL that's quite late.

[regal stag]

DF was a real good one, i do believe (well, for a casual)

[vale pine]

what specific thing do you mean?

[left ledge]

I enjoyed one meta in m+ for the entire expansion

So fun

Wooo

[uneven scarab]

idk i felt like it only got better

[vale pine]

only thing that got worse was m+

[woeful egret]

I don't remember what happend with DF for me, I hit max lvl, barely got any gear and quit playing

[vale pine]

and thats because of aug

[uneven scarab]

Yeah

[left ledge]

M+ was the whole game

[vale pine]

during DF

[left ledge]

The tiers were garbage

[woeful egret]

jumped in last patch a little bit then waited on tww

[vale pine]

Thats very much opinion

but DF was not great

it was extremely mediocre at best

[woeful egret]

nothing beats the greatness of shadowlands

despite how shit that xpac was, I really enjoyed the first raid

[regal stag]

the story was fun, and we finally began to have some QoL for alts.

[keen dome]

I personally found DF the best time I've had in WoW. I think the differing experiences of it are fascinating. It did so much right in my opinion.

[vale pine]

the story was non telling, if it was good we would have the same characters still in the TWW story... its completely forgettable

[left ledge]

I don’t even remember the story

[woeful egret]

castle nath was a dope raid imo, one of my favs

[left ledge]

I feel like people just glaze random shit ngl

[keen dome]

Accessible content. More world activities. Really solid tiers that weren't too hard or too easy (Up to Heroic. I did not prog Mythic!), the first time I've ever done M+ to a higher level. My first ever iLevel capped experience, etc. Also way better writing, more inclusive writing, etc.

[vale pine]

the raids ended up okay, some specific fights rly good but nothing like legion with iconic fights

[left ledge]

It was not a worthy expansion of the premiums wow asks from players

[regal stag]

i said fun, not great ! it was entertaining when i did it (i can't een remember what happened, though)

[left ledge]

They should do better

[woeful egret]

this raid in tww to me is not very exciting

[left ledge]

And TWW so far has been complete ass

[vale pine]

the mythic+ dungeons in like with it, they ended up decent but i kinda don't get excited to see one of them return

not sure if people with more m+ background think like

[woeful egret]

it doesn't feel epic at all tbh, feels like a .5 patch raid lol

[uneven scarab]

Priory is gonna make me wanna die when its in the rotation

that place sucks

[keen dome]

I'm sorry to unleash this on you, but: Darkflame Cleft Mythic+

[uneven scarab]

AAAAAA

[vale pine]

"best dungeons in wow history, i RLY want to play them again asap"

[uneven scarab]

even worse

[azure thicket]

really wanna do the rest of brd on normal, the lfr fights were fun when a 50 wasn't one shotting everything it just seems like a good experience

[left ledge]

I think the dungeons were fine in DF, the mega dungeon was probably the worse mega dungeon they’ve ever released though

[edgy zenith]

how is Sub defensiveness compared to Sin? still better?

[left ledge]

It was just so

[keen dome]

RP heavy

[left ledge]

Bland

Like tazavesh looked cool af

[keen dome]

It was fine the first time but yeah, it didn't stand out. Mechagon and Karazhan were both super memorable.

[uneven scarab]

Can we get taza’vesh back

[left ledge]

It was a city

[uneven scarab]

goated mega

[left ledge]

It had nice stuff

[uneven scarab]

Yeahh

[vale pine]

i had multiple dungeons in legion / BfA i thought would be exciting to replay

[woeful egret]

i'm excited to see them bring back grimrail for m+, one of the goated dungeons

[keen dome]

Super curious what the megadungeon of TWW is gonna be (Undermine probably?)

[left ledge]

Karazan was very thematically cool but ofc it was shit to go through

Dawn was

Like

[uneven scarab]

Doti was bad

[left ledge]

All I remember is sand and ice but idk

Nothing like memorable really

[keen dome]

First half of it was fun in M+ and then it didn't have a second half in M+ strangley. Nope, never got made.

[woeful egret]

with the classic timewalking out I don't know if I want any of those dungeons coming back for m+, random ass stuns left and right

[left ledge]

Those will be changed

[woeful egret]

would need a redesign

[left ledge]

Mop dungeons had stuns

They came back

[keen dome]

I'm still legitimately surprised they rbought back SL dungeons so soon

[left ledge]

No stuns in m+ versions

[left ledge]

And didn’t bug fix them?

Yeah

Amazing right

[woeful egret]

I was doing deadmines and i legit couldn't move my brm monk for like 5 seconds because of stuns overlapping over and over with no indication they were coming

[alpine wraith]

btw the SoD gcd thing to not spam has been pushed just now @vale pine or some hours ago

[vale pine]

shadowlands would have been fine it:

• Covenants ended up switchable
• Raid downtime would be 4 months not FUCKING 8 MONTHS
• There was more love put into zones, the maw was one of the most boring daily hubs in existence
• Grind? i did hear everyone likes grind

[alpine wraith]

it goes into a mini cd for 1 sec when you using

[vale pine]

nice

so no more macro

[keen dome]

Covenants were so close to a good idea. And then it veered into the worst design possible, aaaa.

[alpine wraith]

well macro still helps if you are an ape

[left ledge]

Then it got abandoned after they fixed it

[woeful egret]

but was the grind as bad as it was for legendary weapons?

[left ledge]

Typical blizzard

[alpine wraith]

but i think 1 sec that it has is enough

sl had optional grinds

then forced grinds

[woeful egret]

or azurite armor?

[uneven scarab]

I liked azerite powers

[alpine wraith]

and also grinds that gave power were not SUPER IMPORTANT like korthia sockets etc

[keen dome]

One ability for each class. Different flavour / animation depending on covenant. NO other power attached. Free swapping. Bam solved good system

[uneven scarab]

Tbh

[alpine wraith]

but still existed

[left ledge]

Blizz will design a system, get good feedback in the beta, implement the opposite of what people ask for, act surprised everyone hates it, do nothing with it until a tier later, then slowly change it until it becomes good at the end of the expansion. And then they abandon it in the next expansion

[alpine wraith]

corruption has been the most fun i ever had

[vale pine]

farming the maw and endless torghast runs

[alpine wraith]

i hope they bring it back

[vale pine]

both ended up as non exciting content

[alpine wraith]

being able to go SILLY SILLY RED EHEHEHE

[woeful egret]

it was cool in beta at least

[alpine wraith]

for big deeps was so cool

[left ledge]

Corruption was fucking ass in the beginning

Let’s be real

But later

It became the best system

Absolutely the best system

[alpine wraith]

nah it was so good

[uneven scarab]

Twilight dev prot warriors

[alpine wraith]

you were just poor

L

[azure thicket]

no one has said anything about how bad bfa was hee hee

[woeful egret]

corruption was stupid, rng for who is god tier dps as any class/spec/role

[alpine wraith]

i mean the vendor was also weird

[keen dome]

<Mechanic> was ass in the beginning can apply to so many things, too.

[alpine wraith]

why did it have to be weekly

[uneven scarab]

Cuz bfa was good

[left ledge]

Only specific corruptions were available to buy…

[alpine wraith]

they always hit and miss

[keen dome]

Legion legendaries, lmao

[vale pine]

for systems its the same, they fix it and then remove it after one or two xpacs

[alpine wraith]

i actually dont like they remove the cool things

guess that is why they are making delves stay

as per their words

[left ledge]

I love how the void is a thing again and we don’t get to use corruptions

[alpine wraith]

but idk

[keen dome]

At least they're slowing that down now, Fuu. A lot of DF has flowed into TWW. Like Dyamic flight

[tight bloom]

Dinar system should be for all seasons not just s4 imo

[woeful egret]

my issue with bfa was that all the gear looked wack af

[left ledge]

Delves are so mid it’s crazy

[keen dome]

I'm hopeful they don't ditch Hero talents and just refine them 'cos.. Good idea poor execution. Cook some more.

[alpine wraith]

delves are cool for many

just not us

[woeful egret]

I remember getting the elite pvp gear and thinking, WTF is this trash npc looking garbage

[keen dome]

I'm exceptionally curious about S2 Delve's.

Because I think they're in a good spot now.

[left ledge]

Same shit but scaled higher

[woeful egret]

recolored warfront gear with a couple extra spikes

[vale pine]

worldquests ended up so bad in early legion

[keen dome]

(Just don't try leveling Brann above 45 it's a crime)

[vale pine]

that they had to restrict/change them

because people could do them infinite

and fomo hit so hard that they literally couldn't stop farming

[keen dome]

Maw of Souls, anybody?? 200 runs, let's go

[vale pine]

Legion introduced a lot of good systems

[woeful egret]

my brann is over lvl 50, what do I do now?

[alpine wraith]

i kinda miss the pvp quests

[vale pine]

but also most not well developed initially

[left ledge]

Yeah like 3 weeks of emissary farming to get my legendary

[alpine wraith]

just going there and making some people cry

[woeful egret]

the leggo system initially in legion was bad, but after the fixes qol was much better

[left ledge]

That one was sooo fun

[alpine wraith]

it was not really better until too late tho

[keen dome]

Get him to 60

[left ledge]

Legion started off as a terrible expansion

[alpine wraith]

i had 4 krangled leggos then they told us they didnt softcap it

[left ledge]

Pulled through in the end

[woeful egret]

also true

[alpine wraith]

when they really did

lied in our face

with no remorse

wasted so much time

[left ledge]

Remember in legion

“We’d rather you not play that”

[alpine wraith]

that was wod

with demo lock

[left ledge]

Was it

[alpine wraith]

kinda funny

[woeful egret]

remember working super hard to get a leggo and it eludes you, then the week you finally get it, blizz nerfs it?

[left ledge]

Ah yeah

[alpine wraith]

yea

[left ledge]

It was

[vale pine]

legendary items ended up extremly poor

you had a 4 cap

[woeful egret]

you spent weeks being shit because you didn't have it, then you get it and it doesn't matter anymore?

[keen dome]

I got the BiS Sub legendary as my last ever one......

[vale pine]

so you got 4/10

of the 10

e.g. for subtlety

ONLY one was 25% dps increase

so you had 25% of your dps gated behind rng

you couldn't control

[alpine wraith]

yea i didnt get satyr until tomb almost

but by that time i was playing denial and MA

[vale pine]

if you are lucky like me

[alpine wraith]

so that was fine

[azure thicket]

said it repeatedly but the m0s this expansion were good and should have been used to balance delves

[vale pine]

you got the utility legendary items

with no player power

and you had 3 raids

[alpine wraith]

i got prydaz valeera sephuz cloak

[azure thicket]

it's cool seeing ppl group to clear delves i guess though

[left ledge]

It’s ok though

I’m most likely quitting after this tier

[vale pine]

you are like i said 25%+ behind in baseline output

[keen dome]

I got the Outlaw boots as my first, then I got the shield one the next day because it bugged. Then I didn't get another for two months.

[woeful egret]

large swings in parses that are out of my control just kind of piss me off

[vale pine]

also fun fact

they fixed the legendary aquisition issue

in the very last patch of the game

[keen dome]

Haha, yeah

[vale pine]

when every guild on the planed already had the raid on farm

so at the worse possible time

[woeful egret]

you are really starting to support my theory of play last patch and first patch only

[vale pine]

basically ignoring the problem till the very last possible moment

[keen dome]

I do think that has improved considerably. They seem a lot more responsive to some issues since DF.

but it's not ideal.

[vale pine]

tbh the patch is good, the spec performs good

so if you have fun

thats all to the game

us discussing some problems of the past

is irrelevant for your enjoyment of the game now

[keen dome]

Ye

[woeful egret]

the roller coaster combined with playerbase meta chasing is what causes some of the issues for me

[keen dome]

WoW is still in a very good spot, even with these problems.

[vale pine]

i can't say

[left ledge]

Yeah…

[vale pine]

i hear a lot of conflicting opinions

[keen dome]

Dinosaur mount sales.

[vale pine]

but there is no metric i can go to to see how well the game is doing

if you go from youtubers/streamers

[keen dome]

Ye, true. Also different areas of the game may be doing different than others. Like, raid activity v M+ and then at what levels, etc.

[left ledge]

Sub numbers

But they hide it

[vale pine]

game is the best it ever has been unless this opinion changed recently

[keen dome]

Last time we got Sub bumbers was from that presentation which showed them to actually be going up considerably during DF. So very, very well.

[vale pine]

for sub numbers/xpac sales

i also hear that they did not meet the expectations

[left ledge]

Are you saying that this is what people are saying online

Because all I see online is people absolutely losing it over how bad the game is rn lmao

[keen dome]

Yeah, I saw that too but. I really think that's more an issue with the industry as a whole because what does in the realm of the infinite money machine of capitalism today?

[alpine wraith]

actually most people on normal places quite like the expansion

[left ledge]

What’s normal places

[alpine wraith]

i mean mmos are a thing of the past

it is what it is

now it is f2p gacha

[left ledge]

I guess I’m just not the target audience for WoW anymore, I like raiding and doing difficult content

[azure thicket]

the world quests while gearing in df were pretty relaxing, i don't think it's like that now

[alpine wraith]

those make more in 1 month than wow in 1 year

barring expansions

BUT

they also reinvest stupid amounts of money back

[left ledge]

Right now it feels like blizzard doesn’t give a shit about mythic raid

[alpine wraith]

into the game

[vale pine]

i can only go from these metrics:

• Some information i get leaked infrequently
• How players on my FL/Guild/the "learning by doing" german discord experiences a patch
• My personal experience
• Twitter/Reddit
• Streamer opinions (can't avoid having them linked)

[alpine wraith]

think problem is wow has to tank a lot of the losses of other games

[azure thicket]

everyone got to make fun of kalecgos for umm the book

[vale pine]

so i have no complete picture

[alpine wraith]

like heroes of the storm also the mobile game

[vale pine]

and e.g. if somone tells me the xpac release was not that big compared to others

[alpine wraith]

hearthstone krangling

[vale pine]

i need to trust

[alpine wraith]

overwatch too

[vale pine]

that this information is correct

[alpine wraith]

all big L

[left ledge]

TWW was def not as big as DF

That’s 100000%

[keen dome]

From my own experience, I'd say activity is above what it was in DF S1, with more people still playing and engaging with content.

[vale pine]

And this information is in conflict with

[alpine wraith]

i see less annoyed people but cant really compare that much

[keen dome]

But my experience in WoW is very middle-to-above-average. The most challenging content I push is week 1 AotC.

[vale pine]

e.g. big streamers saying game is at a all time high

which can't be if the sales are not outstanding logically

and then you look at stuff like

[left ledge]

What streamers are saying that

[vale pine]

mythic+ runs

[keen dome]

But what is outstanding, right?

[left ledge]

Out of curiosity

[vale pine]

and you see a massive drop

[keen dome]

Because the metric of outstanding from microsoft might be DF sales + 50. And the expansion might've done DF sales + 20.

[vale pine]

but thats like, only because of delves due to e.g. podcasts of popular streamers

[alpine wraith]

m+ was kinda doomed to be more unpopular

now that baseline is quite high

people get stuck at +`4

and just give up

they are not like us

[vale pine]

initially almost all, but i haven't followed after

[left ledge]

Maybe the more causal scene they are enjoying it

Idk

[vale pine]

but thats normal for the honeymoon phase

[left ledge]

Casual*

[keen dome]

I think they are, yeah.

Which is also the vast majority of the playerbase, which is always worth remembering.

[vale pine]

so i can't say if its the same still, once the initial momentum wears of

[left ledge]

I just would rather go play a fully fledged rpg for casual content

Than WoW

[vale pine]

you often see the same people starting to change opinion

[woeful egret]

I'm not exactly pusing super high in m+ nor have I cleared every dungeon as sub in m+ and somehow i'm in the top 100 on my server

[left ledge]

Well you’re top 100 sub

Nobody plays sub rogue

[keen dome]

Sub is a bad metric for it, yeah, haha

[vale pine]

and its hard to piece information together

[left ledge]

And if you’re on a dead server

[keen dome]

I was server rank 45 with an M+s core of 1k.

And world.. 2000 or something lmao

[woeful egret]

I cleared 3 dungeons as sub

[vale pine]

i found delves lackluster for gearing

[left ledge]

Like you can go to some random new players server and hit rank 1 sub in a day

[woeful egret]

I'm on zul'jin US

[left ledge]

I think delves suffer from the coffer key system

[vale pine]

yet e.g. tettles, growl and co say you get free 619 gear by just casually doing delves

[left ledge]

Locking it behind weekly stuff is just

Weird

[vale pine]

^ on the podcast

btw. i am not saying they are wrong

[left ledge]

“Free”

[vale pine]

it was just not my experience

[left ledge]

Just spend your entire day

Farming delves

[keen dome]

Right, but over a week it's not too bad.

[woeful egret]

I was very pissed to find out they gate you to 3 keys per week PER account to buy them with undercoins....dumb

[keen dome]

Which is, I assume, their point

[vale pine]

i did over 150 delves

and at least 3 gear slots

i haven't had one item for

[keen dome]

If you were playing quite casually, Delves are extremely accessible Hero pieces over a few months.

[uneven scarab]

Im like 29th on zj and i dont even have ksh

its funny

[woeful egret]

I usually do delves if I'm looking for 2 or 3 more belts/cloaks

[vale pine]

hero pieces come from maps, and maps are fairly random

i got less than 10 so far

[keen dome]

Back during DF S3 and I think S4, I was the 2nd or 3rd highest on my realm as Sub, which was incredibly funny to me.

(No chance I'd hit 1 'cos we have a couple of INCREDIBLY good sub players)

[keen dome]

Vault, though.

Which is why I say over time. But yeah maps are weird.

Pure RNG

[vale pine]

ah fair

[alpine wraith]

i'va had 1 map

whole expansion

[vale pine]

i mean sure

i think i got 2 trinkets

[woeful egret]

I got like 3 2nd week of xpac on my monk, and almost none since

[vale pine]

and 198 backs

in my heroic track delve vault slot

[keen dome]

The player who maybe plays 2 - 3 hours a day max, maybe logs in three or four time sa week. They can, without a ton of effort, get 619 gear over a few months. Whic is a pretty damn big improvement over the past.

[woeful egret]

I thought, damn these aren't as rare as they say

[vale pine]

100% can fill all slots with that

[vale pine]

they had a low drop rate initially

it felt like they increased it after

but when some people started exploiting delves more for crests/etc

[woeful egret]

I still don't see them hardly at all anymore, and I'm in the 100+ delves run club

[vale pine]

it feels like they just heavily nerfed the drops again

can't confirm but i haven't had a map drop in some weeks now

what seems in line with the expectation

[alpine wraith]

what i dont really care to do are echoes

[vale pine]

confirmation bias

[alpine wraith]

waste of my time

think i will have 200 echoes by the time patch ends

[vale pine]

yes

[woeful egret]

even when zekthir shows up in the t8s and I kill him, I get radiant echoes

[vale pine]

there is nothing in them

[vale pine]

haha same

i think thats one of the big mistakes

[alpine wraith]

maybe for alts because you get 400 valor cuckstones

[vale pine]

just give a map

not echos

maps also give mythic crests

[alpine wraith]

i wish the cap of valorstones was 10000 instead of 2000

[vale pine]

even tho only 3 iirc

[woeful egret]

first time I ran into him, he kicked my ass and I was sad. but when I looted his claw and got a map, things were chill

[alpine wraith]

would still be cool

[vale pine]

i think more people would play delves

if you got a map for playing 3 bountiful

either once a week or daily reset

[woeful egret]

I would say after 4 bountiful, 1 piece of 610 a week makes sense

[left ledge]

Btw, they could just you know, make raids and m+ more approachable

[woeful egret]

plus you get vault, 2 items a week

[vale pine]

you need to do a 4th for map reguardless

[left ledge]

But they don’t

[vale pine]

most people won't want to wait

so they do 4th

the ones who wait, get rewarded by needing to only run 3

win win

[woeful egret]

yeah, but then they would get 2 items in one week at some point, I guess that's just me wanting things to be "even"

[vale pine]

dark pattern to keep players playing 4 delves without them wanting to

[left ledge]

This is CRAZY slow gearing

One 610 a week

[woeful egret]

it would be 2 cuz of vault

[left ledge]

Tier will finish before you get to play with gear

[vale pine]

^

[left ledge]

And that’s just one character

[vale pine]

one per vault
and one per map from doing 4 bountifuls

[left ledge]

And assuming you don’t roll duplicates

Or bad items

[woeful egret]

people casually doing delves are more than likely not going into high raid content?

[left ledge]

I’ve gotten 4 cloaks on my alt dk last week

From my selves

Delves*

[woeful egret]

or are we talking delves for blasters to min/max the process even more?

[vale pine]

yes delves are known

to drop backs

i made the joke earlier about it

[left ledge]

It’s insane

[woeful egret]

I love when I get this at 610

[vale pine]

i also think delves need to be updated in design

[alpine wraith]

that trink is actually not that bad

i ran it for a while

[vale pine]

so many of them are just time sinks with hp sponges

[alpine wraith]

it was better before you just needed to press it again

now it is jumping

[vale pine]

i like a few

like folly

[left ledge]

Yeah there’s almost no real mechanics lol

Just

Run and click on this guy

But there are mobs

[alpine wraith]

get autoed for 2mil

[vale pine]

i should try ?? with new talents

[woeful egret]

when I first started doing them at like 570 ilvl you had to do stuff

[alpine wraith]

i did it a while ago

but i was overgeared as f

[woeful egret]

kick things and all that

[alpine wraith]

just had healer brann and deletid his ass

[woeful egret]

I went to do ?? zekthir and that fool was autoing me for like 3m

[alpine wraith]

the pots are super buffed

they heal like 2 mil

and you have 4 on the ground also leave a hot that heals for 1 mil

unreal

[woeful egret]

I dunno if that was before or after nerfs/buffs but I was like f that, not doing that on the rogue

[vale pine]

the fight becomes a lot easier

with more gear

[woeful egret]

it was also easier on my monk 🙂

[vale pine]

can go outlaw

if you want easy mode

🙈

[sweet summit]

ou*l**

someday ill learn it

[tidal python]

I wish outlaw was playable with daggers

Like, just playable

It doesn't need to be good

[vestal relic]

then why ?

[tidal python]

Because then I wouldn't need separate weapons when I feel like trying it

[vestal relic]

its not playable with sword or any separate weapon tbh

shit is so buggy

[vestal relic]

yeah i get you ^^

[uneven scarab]

I mean you run dagger oh

Only need a single 1 hander

[tidal python]

Frost DKs for example at least have the option to go with a 2H

(It's bad right now, but at least you can!)

[grave parcel]

wtb supercharger fix QQ

[vale pine]

can use one in offhand

[uneven scarab]

Once again you only need a single 1 hander, its not hard

[lucid jackal]

Just buy a green off the AH or something

[uneven scarab]

legit

[lucid jackal]

Or buy some gear from timewalking event thats shit

If u "just wanna try it" u can

[tidal python]

[alpine wraith]

lol that emote

[uneven scarab]

[sinful sluice]

not sure if any of you play maplestory but i made this WA for sub

https://youtu.be/LwA6RDEmORQ?si=wVvqvjeO7-Cs8GTT

[iron fjord]

Why are many top sub parses playing deathstalker?

[sinful sluice]

its bugged, thats why

its patched now but 2 days ago there was an exploit where you can perma coup with DS

[pliant topaz]

well, it was

yea

also flensing knives bug

[iron fjord]

man i somehow forgot

[pliant topaz]

which also got fixed last night

[iron fjord]

that i also affected sub

*it

thanks

[uneven scarab]

Surprised flensing actually got fixed

Great tho

Bait n switch op af

[tulip badger]

I got asked why i was playing sub instead of assa on a 6... Why is people like this

[vale pine]

assassiantion is op meta just very good right now, so people don't want to risk you playing aynthing else

[open vortex]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

Just gotta reply "I'll show you!" and then blow the boss up.

[warm aspen]

um what the hell lo

sub op or what

[drowsy moon]

hey can I have some assistance I am kinda confused

I am super confused about how to use nimble flury and how to get it

[gilded ferry]

ok, thank you @vale pine

one of your tips got me understanding better the rotation

[vale pine]

Supercharger bugs with Evis seem fixed, have a enjoyable evening!

[pliant topaz]

now everyone say ty realz and stop being so doomy all the time! and then go have a nice friday its that shrimple

[glacial hinge]

Its worth to double SCharge rupture on m+ right

[trim ridge]

LETSGOOO

[hazy breach]

Rupture only increases duration with more cps

[wind canopy]

No. Not until he bullies Zac again

[hazy breach]

So generally no unless you know the mob will survive for that long

[trim ridge]

i'm honestly having a blast wth the changes to sub this patch

[placid umbra]

Realz is the goat!

[vale pine]

ruptures tick damage is the same independent of cp

since legion

early legion for sub

mid/late legion for assassiantion

[alpine wraith]

you can do it if you are going to be off the larget for a while

[glacial hinge]

Thought the dmg increased ☠️

[alpine wraith]

or on bosses that have phases but they can still be dmgd

like 2nd boss of boralus

secret tech

[vale pine]

it did before legion

[glacial hinge]

Thats fair, to keep uptime up

[vale pine]

so you are not wrong

[glacial hinge]

I didnt play before that, only clueless 🫡 🤣🤣

[lilac stag]

Shadow dmg too?

[hazy breach]

Yes sir

[vale pine]

yes

[hazy breach]

📈

[keen dome]

🙏

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-noice-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-nice-gif-14234819

[keen dome]

Really good speed on that bugfix, super nice.

[glacial hinge]

Okay then on m+ ... Shouldt we rupture regardless before opening? Seems weird to do opener into evis +vanish ss evis then rupture?

[glacial hinge]

Or we might use nado for that? 🤔 Only confused about how to be optimal with SuperCharge

[gilded ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[keen dome]

These are some juicy Eviserates.

[plain zephyr]

Whenever flawless form is up, you have nimble flurry.

Flawless form comes from secret technique and/or unseen blade procs.

[muted agate]

where the fuckin elemental nerfs

[golden totem]

[keen dome]

Hell yeah!

[steel spindle]

Can I Macro SoD to SD yet lol

[vale pine]

nicuu gz

did you play sub?

[golden totem]

yea

[wanton bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/525842759563870221/1177484898240577546/ronnGreatAsset.gif

[golden totem]

first on boss

(our elemental died thats why)

[wanton bronze]

deserved, gz on the kill

[steel spindle]

Thats so awesome:D I hope to be there someday

2/8M

[golden totem]

thx boys

[plain zephyr]

This is probably the wrong discord channel to ask this in... As I can see the bias, but is it a bit troll to play Sub on all the bosses except Broodtwister?

Honest question. I don't see hardly anyone playing it. Is Assassination that much better or Sub is just not liked.

[pulsar mauve]

Grats ! 1st fr ye? Do you know how close quichons was ?

[steel spindle]

Assassination is just more played. People find it simpler to hit 100 parse there than 100parse as sub

[lilac stag]

It’s fine. Assa tuned higher. Do what you enjoy / feel is best.

Before .5 you were struggling. Now not so much.

[golden totem]

very close, they will kill next time they raid probably

idk if they raid tonight

[tidal python]

Imo unless you're trying to get a realm first or something it doesn't really matter

Play what you like

[pulsar mauve]

Gj !!

[lilac stag]

Did you guys run OT? Or stick to schedule?

[golden totem]

we did raid a lot

7days then 5-6days

[lilac stag]

Commitment.

[steel spindle]

God damn I wish lol

[edgy zenith]

wait, why are people playing trickster instead of DS? I thought DS is better for ST? why was that guy surprised top parses are for DS?

[plain zephyr]

I got a myth track Skardyns Grace in my vault on Tuesday so I feel like I have to be an assassination main now. Lol

[vale pine]

diffrence is low

and trickster bursts more

also plays better

[ornate current]

Cuz the top DS log was probably abuser of the same bug outlaw had

And DS is bugged and does less than the sims by 2~3 %

[edgy zenith]

difference is 3%? relatively noticeable, no?

oh

DS is bugged, nice

[vale pine]

yep

[tidal python]

What's not working as intended?

[vale pine]

deathstalkers mark with DN up

[ornate current]

Marks dont fall off if darkest night is up

[pliant topaz]

Deathstalkers mark cannot be pushed down while darkest night is active

[tidal python]

Lol

[ornate current]

Its been bugged since September when sin got buffed

[vale pine]

haha yes

fixed a bug for it for sin

[topaz egret]

Rogue don't have bug lol.....

[vale pine]

but evis fixed is quite good

after fix

shadowed finisher 📈

[ornate current]

You can still do crazy evis dmg now as DS since supercharger got fixed

[lilac stag]

RS bug annoying but much better than playing assa.

[warm aspen]

why is shadowed finisher a part of this?

i assumed it is the same bug as OL?

[vale pine]

because it didn't work correctly with supercharger

so it did not get higher from the extra cps

[runic sequoia]

I swear since outlaw hotfix in raid sometimes my secret techniques don't refill my combo points during sod but at least it doesn't waste them, running deathstalker and no replicating shadows

[warm aspen]

wait so for sub

there's a broken node and then the supercharged bug from yesterday?

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[tidal python]

They fixed it

[ornate current]

I like how it didnt work foe sub evis, didnt work for outlaw dispatc BUT WORKED FOR ENVENOM

[warm aspen]

yup it's great

crazy to see how dynamic wow is now, updates/fixes every day

[ornate current]

You can smell the favoritism of the new lead dev

[vale pine]

the bug likely got introduced when fixing others

[warm aspen]

OH

OH

you mean the WCL stuff

hahaha that one was great

[vale pine]

oh no

the wcl stuff was a bug

from 11.0.2

[ornate current]

Real question is when will they fix all ST bugs that were in game since its existance

[vale pine]

they forgot to fix on ptr

and then when they put ptr -> live

[warm aspen]

i meant the thing on wcl where law was like 3 million st dps

haha

[vale pine]

it was not there

[hazy breach]

They fixed the exploit bug by making it so eviscerate would never count as anything more than 7, which then accidently disabled supercharger
(or something along those lines)

But now they fixed it and supercharger works just fine

🙏

[ornate current]

Bad rebase on the ptr branch

[warm aspen]

das crazy

man this expac is kinda scary tho

the guild bank thing was once in a century already

[vale pine]

yes, they also had to apply all hotfixes post 11.0.5 release

again in hotfixes ^^

[ornate current]

But hey make sure to buy the mount boys

So the poor indie company can hire some QA

[vale pine]

no need to blame them, we don't know about their internal working

[warm aspen]

tbf didn't they lay off like a small town worth of ppl

due to acquisition and stuff

[vale pine]

the outlaw bug was funny

[golden totem]

too much for me yea

im retiring

for sure

[warm aspen]

i have some friends going for title being SUPER salty about that one tho

[tulip trail]

Hooray for being fixed at least. Made for a good night off. Can't wait to see the freshest bug that'll be discovered Sunday.

[warm aspen]

HAHAHA aint no way

not the tate

[vale pine]

people overthink it

[ornate current]

I feel bad for the warcraft log guys

[candid field]

how long does it usually take for exploited runs to be removed from logs?

[ornate current]

Gotta remove all the outlaw abuser logs

And some sub abusers on DS funny how most were chinese/Taiwanese

[lilac stag]

and the sub abusers

[vale pine]

not sure how much they can automate it

else they rely on people using the flag icon to flag the logs

[warm aspen]

ehhh i'm just glad im not pushing title lol

the bug was kinda bad for the cutoff

[candid field]

seems like raiderio got rid of some of them

[ornate current]

Io takes data from blizzard

[warm aspen]

lmao the world(of warcraft) is on fire

[ornate current]

So its easier

For them

[candid field]

so they got banned then

[ornate current]

Since blizz is removing them

They just gotta pull the latest data

[ornate current]

Maybe

[vale pine]

iirc blizz reverts all of the abusers

[ornate current]

Mybe not yet

[vale pine]

so i think its not a problem on that front

also the season is still another at least 2 months

[warm aspen]

oh that's very poggers of them then

[ornate current]

Keep your eye on the outlaw chat

When people start crying

[warm aspen]

is that what happens there lol

i just came in to check out why tf my AR is breaking stealth now

[edgy zenith]

does mandate gain damage from SoD or only Lingering Darkness? why does robot use mandate during SoD in sims?

[hazy breach]

Only lingering darkness

[vale pine]

lingering only

[edgy zenith]

does rupture snapshot SoD damage?

[hazy breach]

No

[vale pine]

finality snapshots, nothing else

[edgy zenith]

alright, so it just didn't matter when they sent mandate there because rupture global, right? they would still get same amount of backstabs in SoD window

[vale pine]

tick damage of dots is higher during symbols and goes down after its down

ye, just send it during lingering darkness

[smoky aspen]

does the bug fix for evis change anything with the current sims

[hazy breach]

Not really no

[vale pine]

its just mentioned for those that experienced the supercharger bug

[vestal escarp]

ty realest, id buy you 4 brutosaurus

[weary kite]

Any advice on crafting gear/embels thats easy to flex between assa and sub?

[uneven scarab]

ascension is good for both specs

[keen dome]

I went with dagger ascension then bracers with the patch

[uneven scarab]

yeah same

[keen dome]

Just simple, flexible. Not bad for either.

[uneven scarab]

All the embels are relatively close anyways

[weary kite]

oh shit thanks

[lucid jackal]

Does symbols have an icd yet btw

[novel plaza]

!SOD

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[novel plaza]

this doesnt work it only works when SOD has 3 charges

[plain zephyr]

Fuu, why does my 639 Skardyn's sim less than both my 619 transmitter and 619 shadow-binding ritual knife.

[vale pine]

transmitter is op

you always want transmitter

so 2nd slot will be a non on use or queens

[plain zephyr]

I have queens also at 619.

[vale pine]

yes, but transmitter is noticable better than skardyns

[plain zephyr]

But nothing beats my shadow binding ritual knife and transmitter combo. I would have thought it'd be Skardyns and transmitter.

[vale pine]

so you won't ever use both at the same time

and sim will make combiantions with transmitter + x

[plain zephyr]

You wouldn't want to send Skardyns on just like dance + symbols?

Having a non on use is just better then?

Thanks for the info!

[hazy breach]

Well skardyn has effectively a 3 min cd

Since you'd be holding it for blades+flag

Whereas transmitter is up for every cd set

And also skardyn is mostly a passive agi trinket with a small on-use, whereas transmitter has very little passive stats and a big agi boost during the on-use. Making it way stronger for a 90s spec like sub

[novel plaza]

should i SD>EVIS>SS>ST OR SD>SS>ST>EVIS ?

[high isle]

or you delay cds for skardyn /s

[steel horizon]

Sd > st

[lucid jackal]

Can anybody confirm if symbols has an icd now btw

[vale pine]

armin mentioned it has a 1 sec icd now

ill check

[novel plaza]

guide said ST is ideally used as secnd finsher tho

[vale pine]

icd not gcd

[lucid jackal]

Yeah icd

Trying to report all the issues I can to get them fixed

[vale pine]

ye i think i need to word it better, you essentially always use secret first

[novel plaza]

ok

[vale pine]

it seems to not instantly use all charges, so there is at least a little icd

[lucid jackal]

Loud audio warning

[plain zephyr]

I meant using transmitter and Skardyns together and throwing transmitter with CDs and Skardyns naked with dance and symbols.

[lucid jackal]

This is how it looked before @vale pine

Is it the same, or different

[plain zephyr]

Was trying to figure out how a 639 Skardyns and a 619 transmitter doing that is simming less than a 619 transmitter and 619 shadow binding ritual knife.

[lucid jackal]

This spec does no damage outside of Cd's is why

[vale pine]

well if you spam it for like 3 sec

or 4-5

like in the clip

you will burn your charges

all

[lucid jackal]

Well u see in the video, feint has a much longer icd compared to symbols

[vale pine]

there is no security measurmeent to

[vale pine]

not use symbols during symbols

[ornate current]

How do you guys handle the perma stuck in coup at 4 stacks bug ?

[lucid jackal]

So the rate in which you can spam symbols is the same as that clip?

[hazy breach]

Using skardyn on one of the small bumps is way less impactful than having additional stats from the dagger on the big peaks

[ornate current]

Had it again on ovinax reclear

[lucid jackal]

Swap hero talents

[ornate current]

And waw super annoying

[ornate current]

Mid fight

Xd

[hazy breach]

Idk it has never happened to me, but ive heard you just relogg and it fixes it

[lucid jackal]

Don't think u can mid fight

[steel horizon]

I think the rule is different now because using ST on the first global not only procs the tier set, but also allows you to get a couple more stacks of flawless form within dance. Also getting it on the gcd sooner is good

[vale pine]

moment i see if i can make a clip

[ornate current]

Guess i stick to causing a raid wipe and saying lag

Smh

[vestal escarp]

the barren wasteland after 270

[ornate current]

Cuz dying fixes it

[honest dome]

does supercharger stack infinitely and does it reset with boss pull?

[hazy breach]

It stacks up to 7 times

And it resets down to 2 when you pull a boss

[steel horizon]

Pretty sure it does not reset at the start of a m+ though

So that's something at least

[honest dome]

so prepull sod is a thing

[hazy breach]

It has an infinite duration

So you can just pop one after you rez

But yes, prepull sod is a thing

[void hound]

this patch is so cooked its unbelievable

[lucid jackal]

Okay so not fixed then

[vale pine]

it still is very fast but you see the delay/icd between icons appearing below my weakauras

there is a delay

[lucid jackal]

It's getting an icd is why I ask

[vale pine]

you could prior activate them almost immidiatly

[lucid jackal]

Just wanted to know if it was added yet

[vale pine]

its not long if it has one

so i assume no

[wind canopy]

Is there ever a time when the boss is about to die to just spam SoDs for supercharged finishers?

[hazy breach]

Technically you shouldve used symbols more earlier

[vale pine]

unless its like 1 sec or sub 1 sec

[hazy breach]

But yes you would do that if the fight is ending in like 5 seconds

[wind canopy]

Yeah for sure

[steel horizon]

Dont do it in a key though lol

Well unless its last boss

[vale pine]

so nope, icd wasn't added

[wind canopy]

Just a really really niche situation

[vale pine]

if its supposed to be over a sec

[ornate current]

Is supercharger a actual buff ?

Cuz my UI doesn't show it

[vale pine]

its not a buff

but blizz added a api for it

weakauras supports it

[ornate current]

Need a wa so i can see it

[vale pine]

so you need to update your weakauras

any addon that was updated

[ornate current]

Luxtros doesn't seem to have it

[jaunty umbra]

Did you guys also had this bug where adds in last boss NW straight up ignores you and tp to boss

[warm aspen]

HAHAHA 1 hour tricks

[jaunty umbra]

is it because of the tricks node

[vale pine]

so if you use a ui addon, make sure its up to date

[jaunty umbra]

god damn I thought so

[warm aspen]

it saves keys too tho sometimes

i have time where tank die but i live, the mobs will look for tank instead of aggroing anyone else

and we sorta just keep dpsing xD

[true fable]

is this right for st?

[ornate current]

Found a WA for it thx

[vale pine]

yes

[ornate current]

I still dont understand what the RS bug is ? Is it positive? Is that why it sims well on ST ?

[vale pine]

https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/1167

tl;dr you sometimes get refunds delayed

[ornate current]

OMG THAT WHAT IT IS

I thought i was lagging

Had it happen so many times so cringe

I do a STrike and suddenly i already had max cp

[zinc scaffold]

Is actually Spelunker's Waning Candle good? It's siming better than my 626 Mandate on M+ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbsVqbF96qRskSYXtk6Ke5

[ornate current]

Such a cringe bug

So clunky

[neat girder]

i was gonna ask, i just started playing tww and shadowcraft is fucking me up, how do you play around it, just wait a split second before sending another builder?

the tooltip says it "can" use those combo points, so its random?

[ornate current]

Double on use always sims well on dslice

Ah mandate is the second one

Hmm strange

[topaz raptor]

mandate is kinda sucky on dslice isnt it

[vale pine]

its still good

if you use it well

[ornate current]

Doesn't it ha a refresh mechanic when target dies

[topaz raptor]

yeah but you literally ahve to last-hit

[vale pine]

yes

[wet echo]

how does this "help" with ST tho?

[hazy breach]

It only refunds if it can fill up all 7 of your cps

It doesnt do it randomly

[flint umbra]

Damage outside of cds a bit better now?

[hazy breach]

Not much

[flint umbra]

Can you get some good secret tech damage

As a form of consistent damage

[flint umbra]

Ahh dang

[flint umbra]

What are the colors

I get it’s ramp

But what’s the difference in colors

[hazy breach]

Its a wcl screenshot

So it just represent different spells

It doesnt really matter for this context

[flint umbra]

An I see

[honest dome]

is it worth to send sod earlier (before pandemic hits) to get supercharged coup? like 2nd sod in cd's

[flint umbra]

Yeah that’s a big difference lol

[trim ridge]

what a clean ui

i should try hiding bars and see how that goes lol

[bleak wind]

do you know what boss that is

[hazy breach]

A dummy

[bleak wind]

ah, I was gonna say looks a bit too clean

[molten flare]

seems like supercharger is fixed boys

[jaunty umbra]

yep it's pinned

[bronze turret]

pinned, it is

[azure rock]

besides (mostly fixed? soon?) bugs, how's Sub life in a dust-less world

[hazy breach]

Vibing

[candid field]

i like the extra symbols makes gameplay more smooth

[hazy breach]

Not particularly fond of dashing into liquify on queen with coup de grace, but otherwise enjoyable

(krill issue)

[steel horizon]

Coup giveth and coup taketh away

[keen dome]

Pretty comfy. I like how fluid the changes have ended up feeling.

[steel horizon]

I'm curious as to why they fixed this one so fast when there's like 69 other bugs that have been present for way longer

[vale pine]

thanks

[vale pine]

i initially used the timeline for casts in case i need to make a clip for something

but started to keep it, its actually a good feedback too to know you did cast a spell

[trim ridge]

i have to get my ui cleaner

i struggle with uis tbh

[keen dome]

Small adjustments here and there go a long way.

Just find something you may not need, and see how it feels without it. Then the next thing. It's how I've been decluttering mine (except my comically big chat window)

[half galleon]

do i drop tornado if i want tfd or something else

[vale pine]

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMzy0YGzMmxYMDzMzMMmtZxYstNzMmZmxAWmlBAAAgZwAYMbGGYgZRL0iNYA

[half galleon]

[vale pine]

actually rly like that build

[half galleon]

im running mists i wanted to try tfd

[trim ridge]

whats tfd?

the first dance

got it

lmao

[balmy notch]

hi sorry if this has been mentioned a lot but i tried reading the pins and searching but didnt find anything, was rank 2 eviscerate removed? while leveling up i saw it greyed out in my spellbook, but after hitting lvl 44 which unlocks it, nothing changed and my eviscerates dont do shadow damage on weakness targets

sorry for noob question i just leveled a rogue and thought it was weird

the talent "shadowed finishers" which does basically the same thing works as normal, updating eviscerate's tooltip and adding shadow dmg. but if i remove the talent i get the baseline eviscerate tooltip and 0 shadow dmg on weakness targets

[vale pine]

rank 2 eviscarate wa removed in a old xpac

[balmy notch]

o i see, it was still in the spellbook while leveling lol

ty

[pliant topaz]

an insane amount of basedness

[keen dome]

lmao, "you are all buzz lightyear" is amazing

[golden totem]

gotta admit, way better than expected.

at least for raid

[half galleon]

is the coup bug still in the game or is my game just visually bugged

the 4 stacks of coup wont go away in my buff bar after i evis

suspicious

[split shore]

do i want to hold on charges for anything before blades and flag come back up?

[golden totem]

as Eleem said still don't know why we get that extra dash on coup, feels like its out of place and not something we want but thats whatever

(reminds me of skyreach during DF)

[split shore]

or are we just dumping cds whenever

[golden totem]

we have step/grappling, i don't think rogue needs an extra gap close thats not controlled in any way

[still quartz]

make sure you can double dance during blade/flag window

[split shore]

double dance ✅

[balmy notch]

is there a wa to track shadow technique stacks? i end up wasting shadowcraft 80% of the time because im already mashing shadowstrike when the refund happens on a finisher

[still quartz]

and 2 charges of sod

^ which is quite natural

there is a refund wa

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[balmy notch]

tyvm

[still quartz]

I can make a wa to track shadowcraft as well, it is a buff

you*

[brave gyro]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Bugs - Subtlety Rogue

[narrow dirge]

Should I macro shadow strike together with symbols and dance or keep it on a separate button?

[molten citrus]

Separate button

[lucid jackal]

Do you know what causes the bug

[half galleon]

i do thats why i think its probably a visual bug

[haughty mural]

Are you doing sub again ?

[steel horizon]

I don't think it's visual. When it happened to me, I just kept on casting eviscerates even with 4 stacks of coup

[gritty knot]

So after doing a few +12 s today as sub I can say that now u can def play it in higher keys. I was doing great tbh dmg wise and burst dmg is crazy. I fkn annihilated the first boss in a Mist +12. He couldnt even full cast the 2nd 200% increased dmg debuff phase

[half galleon]

yea but i didnt do the critter thingy

was just smashing buttons on dummies

[haughty mural]

I got kicked a few times when they realized im sub

Else i also got a few good experiences

[half galleon]

just sign up as sin then change right before they start

[gritty knot]

@haughty mural that's why u always que as Assa and when they about to start the Key Change to sub. Big surprise 😂👌

[haughty mural]

I think we are on the right track

[steel horizon]

Those are 2 different bugs completely

One bug lets you cast coup non stop. The other bug prevents you from casting coup at all

The first one is now fixed though

[half galleon]

so i got the 2nd one

?

[steel horizon]

The one where you have four stacks of coup yet you keep on casting eviscerates

Yeah

[gritty knot]

Blizz gives us rogues everyday a new bug. So we don't get bored

[half galleon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288264026178195507/1299504938162065408/Coupbug.mp4?ex=671d71c8&is=671c2048&hm=6b9f6bc448edf3d8efe007efb8023f1771171895fb9a48ee6742bd443e5412bc&

time to close the game and go touch grass now

[pliant topaz]

when I can

they usually dont let me in as sub I join as sin then do a lil swaperoo

[half galleon]

i love how all of us do the exact same thing

[gritty knot]

Well ye they kinda force us 😂

[pliant topaz]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid jackal]

Can you share? Trying to get rogue issues cleaned up rn

[half galleon]

i cliped it above

i have no clue how it hapened tho

like i said i was just zug zugging on dummies

[hazy breach]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e2w0iHBCVp8K7hdSk1T8RKtUK9lr4FsRqFWd68FCQnk/pubhtml?gid=579089422&single=true

Heres a list of a bunch of em, no logs linked in there though

[pliant topaz]

not sure if its the same, but on release trickster had this issue with coup that you would get stuck on 4 stakcs but never be able to coup. Was fixed though. we think it had something to do with instance lag when you used coup since its a server side script most likely breaking.

i havent had it since heroic week yet

[trim ridge]

do u guys know a way to make it so when entering bgs or arena a weak aura doesnt activate?

[median nacelle]

the last one is meant to read doesn't instead of does i assume - also, damn thats alot of bugs i didnt know of

[haughty mural]

Makes sense since hitting dummies is kinda laggy right now

And his clip is from hitting dummies

[half galleon]

yea i was doing on dummies when that happened

and it did feel laggy

[gritty knot]

@pliant topaz CB does not work on evisc? Man i just read ur list and I am shocked...how tf do we have so many bugs and some very important ones which shouldve been fixed a long time ago...na....fk that honestly

[steel horizon]

Yeah you're just casting evis over and over again

[hazy breach]

Oh yeah its supposed to be doesnt

[pliant topaz]

idk that ones not really important since u only cb sectech ig

[pliant topaz]

u can remove supercharger doesnt work with evis i guess

and instead add shiv also procs symbolic vicotry kekw

[gritty knot]

I know but for me it just speaks volume to read that list of urs and see how fkn bugged our class is especially sub rogue and they just don't give a shit.

[pliant topaz]

i mean most of those are w/e

the main ones effecting gameplay are RS bug, and deathstalkers/DN bug

the rest are purly numerical bugs

[ornate current]

Had it yesterday on ovinax, death fixes it

[pliant topaz]

yes so does relogging

[hazy breach]

Sectech blades one is decently big too

But ye RS bug is the only one thats really affecting gameplay

[pliant topaz]

well deathstalker one also does because it forces you to alter playstye to consume DN first but yeah

the sectech one stealthi said is intentional

because blades is supposed to buff rogues damage, but clones arent the rogue so they made sure its not buffed by blades. not sure. source is stealthi

also

https://tenor.com/view/vaas-definitionofinsanity-farcry3-insanity-gif-4899376

[fossil gyro]

As a dps does anyone know how I can get melee hit from Queen in last phase? I cc adds and die idk what happened

[gaunt knoll]

!was

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[gritty knot]

Sin channel is pure comedy after that nerf announcement 😂 I love it

[vestal escarp]

[hazy breach]

its just a typo, its meant to be bleak powder in both instances

[soft summit]

lol sub rogue gets nothing. Outlaw rogue gets nothing. Assassin rogue gets nerfed. All other classes get mostly buffs. https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-on-the-weekly-reset-warlock-and-warrior-buffs-348781

[vestal escarp]

it was a funni

[hazy breach]

Not sure why this is lol, seems perfectly reasonable

[fossil gyro]

Btw I think the default profile talents for sub are broken on simc atm

[hazy breach]

Assa should probably have tanked a bigger nerf but we take those

[hazy breach]

wdym

Oh the simulationcraft website

[pliant topaz]

well, sub got a 1% buff because supercharger now works with shadowed finishers

so we are insanely back

[hazy breach]

I guess we should submit a profile

[wind canopy]

:3

[pliant topaz]

:3

[fossil gyro]

Or just leave it there for the memes

[barren plume]

did they change the siphoning stilleto attack speed to 1.8?

[strange chasm]

Sin still sim higher in ST than Sub?

Or are they even now?

[ornate current]

So you are telling me if they fix DS bug sub will sim more on ST than sin by 0.1%

[lilac stag]

my st sim hit 1.32 with 619 knife. lol

[hazy breach]

Sub higher

[strange chasm]

👀 Fr?

[pliant topaz]

sub stonks

[lilac stag]

mhmm

[pliant topaz]

trickster tripple sod is love

trickster tripple sod is life

[ornate current]

Yae but thtas DS no ?

[lilac stag]

No

[hazy breach]

No

[lilac stag]

Fuck DS

[ornate current]

Wdym

[hazy breach]

or well yes, but trickster is also higher

Ever so slightly

[lilac stag]

F u c k D e a t h S t a l k e r

[ornate current]

Its a 0.6 % nerd for sin only

[strange chasm]

Interesting sub is higher now

[half comet]

!fuu