subtlety

[uneven scarab]

Just a bit dif

def a win

[keen dome]

Ye, you guys did a really great job. I really appreiciate the effort you put into this very strange spec.

[vale pine]

oh, i didn't mean to be praised

[steel horizon]

Dont worry. More tuning coming Friday

[vale pine]

its just funny

[keen dome]

Well it's worth saying anyway haha

[vale pine]

because reguardless of what happens to the tree we always find a way to make things work

[keen dome]

Ye

[keen dome]

4% aura buff is my bet

[steel horizon]

Sub remains unchanged and sin gets another buff is my bet

[muted agate]

elemental is the best spec

[spice escarp]

is being perma 4 stacks of escalating blades a new or old bug?

[vale pine]

to whom?

[vale pine]

the coup exploit is a re-introduced bug

it was fixed with raid release

[light imp]

yeah both of these were Smoothbrain Trickster

[spice escarp]

i got gripped by some world boss now im stuck

on 4

[vale pine]

but 🍝 allows us to trigger it again

[keen dome]

Sub!

[vale pine]

i don't think we get buffs

sub doing quite good

[keen dome]

It is, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[vale pine]

if anything we would need help with aoe

[bronze turret]

you saying DS isnt "smoothbrain", as if sub aoe in general isnt a meme

[tawdry kiln]

guys sorry for bothering you, what's the macro not to overlap two SoD ?

[steel horizon]

/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null 
/cqs

[vale pine]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null 
/cqs```

oh dosem was faster

[steel horizon]

Gotem

[tawdry kiln]

ty guys love u ❤️

[light imp]

Listen BP is ONE extra finisher you have to make a VERY easy decision on when to use. it has one extra wrinkle over trickster

[snow sluice]

Coming back to sub after an extended break. Still getting used to the changes, but I had a question about the wowhead consumables guide for gems. Is it ideal to use the culminating blasphemite and vers onyx or use as many different colored gems as possible? include a sapphire, ruby, and emerald for example.

[sweet summit]

any1 know the earliest we can get that transmog from anniversary

[keen dome]

Probably next week?

[lilac stag]

Sim. Ngl the 2% speed is nice qol

[keen dome]

Maybe the third week. We can get about 42 - 43 this week. And I think you can get 15 - 20 next week

[wind canopy]

Yeah, 2% speed is pretty decent

[sweet summit]

u can get 3 event currencies from ansurek yes ?

[keen dome]

Yep

[vale pine]

you can make a sim, but we typically want vers/mastery gems

[sweet summit]

based

worth

[keen dome]

You can also get one from the lesser keyflame quests (just the first one you do weekly) and also the brawl has 1 from it's completion quest.

[vale pine]

yep we did a quick hc skiprun just a few mins ago

[sweet summit]

did yall get the baby blizzard bear

[keen dome]

Eventually. Sets first. All sets.

[sweet summit]

i just gettin rogue and monk maybe shaman too

i dont play sham thoi

[barren plume]

Are there a lot of changes to sub rotation after this patch? And are they on wowhead or in pins?

[uneven scarab]

The monk one is insane

looks dope

[barren plume]

Blood fang is goated

[uneven scarab]

On wowhead

u can see new rotation

Not insanely dif

[barren plume]

But blizz has no more ideas so they are giving us old shit

Kk cool thank you

[sweet summit]

to be fair

it feels pretty smooth to play

imo

[covert anchor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[trim ridge]

did the brd raid and sub felt good, how does it feel in m+?

[steel horizon]

2x on the opener. Then another 1x with dance. Then 1x naked symbols after that to give dance some recharge time before the 1:30 burst

So pretty much your 4th symbols os gonna be sent w/o dance.

At least thats what i've been gathering over the past 24 hrs

[vale pine]

quite good

the symbols changes are nice

you can more dynamically align things

it also allows us to recover charges

and the first dance is interessting

i still think the 6 seconds are kinda not great

should be removed

[tidal python]

seems arbitrary

like... where did they even pull this number from lmao

[vale pine]

the talent is still good

because the row it is in has a lot of stinkers

[tidal python]

maybe it's there just to stop people from being able to immediately do a long dance right after dropping combat in pvp

[molten ivy]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[vale pine]

you only drop combat with vanish typically

[steel horizon]

I believe you do, yes. As long as you have it up again for the 1:30 mark

But dont quote me on that one

Should be easier to get that sectec back up in time now with supercharger and coup cp's properly reducing cdr now

[vale pine]

yes

30 sec should be enough to get cdr back

[tidal python]

people sometimes los the enemies using pillars

[vale pine]

you still need 10 secs

to get out of combat

so idk why thats a problem

once you get stealth, you can wait 6 secs

[rigid iris]

does first dance lose much value if there's some heavy chain pulling involved? for example, did +10 grim batol and on several occasions i didn't even have a chance to stealth due to our tank going apeshit on pulls

[hazy breach]

Well ye its worse if you dont get much uses

But its still better than other options

[slate nest]

so

quick question

supercharged combo points

what bonus does it give, so if i have 2 from SoD, then my finisher does 9 cp dmg instead of 7?

[hazy breach]

Since you should have forced induction it should be +3

So 10 cp instead of 7

[slate nest]

oh

so

If I for example, use all 3 SoD with Forced, then it's 14 cp finisher?

bcs it do be stacking

[steel horizon]

easiest way to read it is: after using sod, your next 2 finishers get 3 cp added to them

[slate nest]

ah

So it doesn't stack with the amount of supercharged cps

[steel horizon]

nope. each finisher only consumes one of the "supercharged" cp's

[strange chasm]

Do we think sub is still better on silken then sin?

And last boss?

[wispy pebble]

any alternatives to tornado in m+?

[steel horizon]

veiltouched i guess?

[lethal thorn]

!fuu

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[wispy pebble]

mh ima sim some stuff i guess

[tranquil belfry]

For the algari gem, is there anyway to see its effect in stats page?

[silent cairn]

@vale pine do you see yourself remaking that small timeline graphic you had on wowhead in the symbols optimization section, I'm a visual learner and I'm not sure where else to go for something like that

[patent crystal]

how far is other talents behind Replicating?

this late refund is

[silent cairn]

like this

[uneven scarab]

theyre legit all pretty bad

Replicating kinda goated

But only kinda

[strange chasm]

Is deathstalker troll on silken court

[uneven scarab]

I would never play it but you do you

[visual onyx]

something like this would be crazy helpful

[wispy pebble]

mh 20k loss

[steel horizon]

yep

[silent cairn]

to be clear i did NOT make this Fuu did

[wispy pebble]

Actually fine for not having to play nado

[uneven scarab]

I mean its basically the same as the image rn

U just dont triple dance in cd’s

And you dance sod+and then naked sod

[alpine wraith]

damn was i the only one that had huge input lag on ovi nax

[silent cairn]

I just feel like i need those timing break points for if I make a mistake and then stuff gets out of sync I know like "ok at 65 seconds i need to make sure i have these up so just hold this or that currently with the extra charge idk why i just feel like its difficult to get back into sequence

[wispy pebble]

i had an insane freeze on princess

[steel horizon]

what i wanna know is what are people even dropping to get TFD in the m+ build? dont say RS

[uneven scarab]

Probably tornado

[silent cairn]

are you saying where the naked is at 40 thats now a SD + SoD and the 65 seconds is naked?

[steel horizon]

u cant drop nado cus you need a point in there or in veiltouched anyway

or u cant get flag

[uneven scarab]

Yes you basically swap the two in the middle

[vale pine]

ye need to think of a good way to do so

[silent cairn]

really appreciate that thank you

[vale pine]

but is less scripted

you can play it reactional and its fairly good

[weary kite]

!fuu

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[empty slate]

i've been thinking about going back to sub, how does it feel rn?

[wispy pebble]

tbh in raid it felt great today

[lilac stag]

You ll love it or hate it

There’s more skill expression

[silent cairn]

I beat half of the 6 ret paladins and fury warriors in my raid post change so that felt nice

[crystal blaze]

how is sub doing these days, i never really played it much in df but i did like it in sl

[lilac stag]

It’s been live for 24 hours

Just try it out

[alpine wraith]

also forgot fucken nimble has shit range

[crystal blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bigfoot-nod-nodding-nice-gif-17064137907585446403

[alpine wraith]

and sometimes missed some adds

but i can actually see tornado on ovi nax

to get more cdr

might try it next week

[crystal blaze]

actually i guess my issue with it in df is that it seemed kind of bloated with buttons

[lilac stag]

You can’t macro much.

So there’s that.

But that’s going to be your own feel

What I think is fine may be bloated for others.

You have to monitor cdr

And make decisions of when to hold or send.

Streamlined with new assa, ret, fury

[molten citrus]

Would the Tea macro from Sin work for Symbols?

[lilac stag]

There’s a cache aura

[molten citrus]

Adding Castsequence null?

[lilac stag]

Search my posts

On mobile arm

[mental comet]

trickster cleave fixed yet?

[lilac stag]

What part?

[mental comet]

wasnt it doing 10% less dmg

[lilac stag]

It was not

[shy venture]

!TEA

[wicked jolt]

Thistle tea use:
It is recommended to macro Thistle Tea with Shadow Dance like this:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```

[lilac stag]

Open world dummies made it appear that way

[mental comet]

ah

[molten citrus]

Same

[mental comet]

DS playable in key ?

[pliant topaz]

sure

[vale pine]

yes

but downtime is now more forgiving

[west tide]

hey guys hows sub doing i heard the gameplay is fun and peak from guy on twitter

[edgy zenith]

did we ever figure out why that guy was hitting for 7M Evis? or is that normal numbers in full raid buff with DPS pot?

[alpine wraith]

it is quite ok

[vale pine]

3x symbols charges is quite nice

works well

[alpine wraith]

we did know the bug came back from first week

they can fix it fast

[edgy zenith]

how does the bug work? only in raid or something?

[hazy breach]

yes, theres a wowhead article about it

Its an exploit

[edgy zenith]

ahh, kk

that log is gonna get scrubbed right

[hazy breach]

Even though the article only mentions outlaw

[edgy zenith]

oh, that critter thing works on Sub too?

[hazy breach]

because you know, who plays sub

Yes

[edgy zenith]

lmao, nice

[hazy breach]

Thats why his evis is doing so much

Because its +5 cp on every eviscerate

[topaz egret]

Lol did they bring that the trickster bug

Back

[pliant topaz]

yea

both of them are back

[inner sand]

Do you have to switch desthstalker after hitting critter for the bug to work as sub?

[alpine wraith]

please no buggerino

[pliant topaz]

but like dont purposely bug abuse. blizz did say its bannable

also your logs will be invalidated once its hotfixed

[inner sand]

Would be suss for a queen kill randomly ending p1 at 2.4mill

I do not want to get banned when almost done with prog I’m just curious

[alpine wraith]

they will enforce things when they talk

[woeful egret]

is the talent tree with trickster and shuriken storm the current build everyone is trying?

[pliant topaz]

im playing that but veiledtouch over tornado

[woeful egret]

I might try that out, I don't like tornado

the time the combo points pop up is inconsistent and I mess it up sometimes

[trim ridge]

shadowmeld shenanigans

[inner meadow]

im playing dark brew

[woeful egret]

are we using tecnique with the empowered anima combo points or still second?

[steel horizon]

So apparently what happened was that the last round of bug fixes from a few weeks ago were not on the PTR. So then when they went and transferred the PTR over to live yesterday, those fixes from a few weeks back did not make it in

Apparently they got the sub dev working overtime

[alpine wraith]

you use sec tech first finisher

[quiet gulch]

Would you guys still play sub @silken court mythic ?

[alpine wraith]

yea still good

[woeful egret]

that's what I was thinking, no way macabre would be better than the anima combo points

[alpine wraith]

well it is also because now we kinda lack cdr

so you want it asap also it activates tier set and sometimes you also get coup just afterwards

and you charge both

[coarse bridge]

would you guys drop wm or nado for tfd in m+?

[steel horizon]

If u drop nado then u have to take veiltouched

[coarse bridge]

ah derp i see

[steel horizon]

Yeah its 1 or the other

[hollow cobalt]

do we still SD x3 as trickster ?

[daring raptor]

guys a little help. what is best single target.
Deathstlakre or trickster

i sim higher on deathstalker but some peopole ahve said it is bugged

is taht true ?

[steel horizon]

I guess dropping wm is the play

Otherwise youd have to drop RS and thats gonna be a bad time

[coarse bridge]

true thx!

[alpine wraith]

trickster and deathstalker are kinda the same

because deathstalker has a bug that lowers its real dps

so you might as well play trickster

you dont get parried better defensives etc etc

[half comet]

do u have to hold in mythic silken and if so when?

[woeful egret]

just tried sub in a low key, wow the 4mil burst on trash feels pretty good pack to pack

feels alot better now

[tepid fractal]

8 SV im vibin with the patch so far.

[wispy pebble]

I used veiled shadows instead of tornado. Damn i love sub like this

[quick plume]

how much of this entire page is out of date

[alpine wraith]

not that much some hiccups here and ther

[obtuse cobalt]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[candid field]

how long does rupture need to be on a target before it dies for it to be worth it?

[alpine wraith]

from 12 to 14 secs

[candid field]

thanks

[alpine wraith]

less as deathstalker but not sure how much

[harsh socket]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Oxi

[tepid trellis]

sectech do be hitting a bit hard

[mint swift]

How does sub feel

[tepid trellis]

bursty

[mint swift]

So
Like sub

I stopped liking it, swapped to Assa and haven’t swapped back

My stats are v whack for sub so my numbers might be skewed if I try it

[rocky flame]

always wanted to play with sub, but ive been playing sin so long that everytime i look at the opener and cd sequences I instantly change my mind, feel like i would have to level my 2nd rogue to give it the love it actually deserves.

[half comet]

assuming you didnt do dust things when did u hold ur cds in silken court

[rocky flame]

12.2 mil is WACK

[mint swift]

I feel like if I go back to sub id be wondering where my garrotte is

[mint swift]

What hits harder tho, kingsbane or ST

[dawn robin]

Are there any decent alternatives to Flagellation for m+?

[tepid trellis]

no

[dawn robin]

rip ty

[mint swift]

But yea how does sun play w/o shadowdust
I remember sub ST being fine but aoe felt bleh

[still crystal]

yo dead ass is there a bug with coup that makes it not go off ever

just did a dungeon and my stacks were stuck at 4 and coup never went off once

[mint swift]

Oh yea

that’s been around for ages

Iirc when I had it I had to kms to remove it

[wispy bolt]

It lasted all of raid for me through game restarts

Very fun

[lilac stag]

Swap to DS and reload and it should unbrick itself.

Or swap to assa

[vestal escarp]

turns out doubling cdr on a few finishers made the spec better

[still crystal]

ya i was gonna say i feel like i have sec tec way more often now

[pliant topaz]

how does sub feel? great? i swear its way too fun

[still crystal]

ty

[tepid trellis]

feels more cohesive

[pliant topaz]

im really enjoying it in keyds

[tepid trellis]

im only doing 10s right now for vault

[lilac stag]

2 cps and juice to sod does wonders.

[tepid trellis]

so things die waay to fast

[livid olive]

Is there a sheet with all bugs that affect sub somewhere?

[pliant topaz]

even on 13s i can keep up

[tepid trellis]

well its gonna be better in higher keys

half the pack is dead in my keys before im done with cds

[lilac stag]

htf is there a bug post on wowhead and nothing listed for sub

[shy ermine]

Are you guys black powdering when pulls get big enough

[tepid trellis]

nah im too lazy

im fully auto pilot

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-gif-22278566

[plush roost]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[ionic tinsel]

I played Sub for a while back in DF, coming back now… Given all the recent changes, would it still be beneficial to watch a pre-11.0.5 TWW video to get more familiar with some things, or what do yall recommend? (I’m reading guides too)

[tepid trellis]

there is your 2mil overall

imagine with a sky fury buff

id be unleashed

[pliant topaz]

i did 2.2 in a 12 nw earlier

its not a meta spec but it actually blasts now and is fun

and makes sense

to play

[tepid trellis]

i peaked 9mil burst on first pull mist

[fair stump]

you don't feel the lack of silence matters?

[tepid trellis]

nah

like dont get me wrong IC is very very good

but its not mandatory good

[mental comet]

talents?

[fair stump]

are you sending flag with packs?

[tepid trellis]

with what?

[fair stump]

trash

[mental comet]

thx

[fair stump]

like full cds

[tepid trellis]

ofc

[mental comet]

u dont like the aoe blind DR thing? or not enough points

[tepid trellis]

eh dont care for it in +11 +12s

shit dies so fast

[mental comet]

roger

[fair stump]

What do you use shiv for?

[tepid trellis]

in actual keys, yes you would run it

im just too lazy to swap

[mental comet]

im excited to try it, playing sin in keys is mindnumbing

[tepid trellis]

this transmitter makes the burst go brrrrrrrt

[clever delta]

surely im getting one tommroow

[pliant topaz]

i got both on 619 i hate u

[mental comet]

tfw no transmitter yet and only seen 1 drop clearing norm/hc every week since tier started

[gritty knot]

But how did u peak 9 Million burst Like wtf? What changed Sub aoe DMG so drastically?

[clever delta]

we are doing heroic tommorow i think will give sub a try

not so bad on dummy

[clever delta]

do you guys play tricskter everywhere or you do little bit of abusing with DS as all those outlaws in wcloigs?

[tulip trail]

you can try but you risk getting banned

plus, its all going to get invalidated soon when its fixed

[leaden prairie]

hello

if i were to play sub for this part only

im kinda clueless but i guess just standard sub trickster build right

[tepid trellis]

id honestly go the reduced sod cd and pick up RS

[warm marlin]

[tepid trellis]

smth like this

[leaden prairie]

I see

[leaden prairie]

i think mist first boss

and nw third boss

i cant do them anymore

15 is too high

for me to play outlaw

on these ones

doesnt work

[tepid trellis]

sub does some nasty boss dam now

[barren plume]

But does it do nasty aoe dmg

[hazy breach]

No, but its fine

[tribal blade]

what's the main thing causing sub to actually do dam in keys now, is it mostly the fact that we can dance on sectec's cd

on top of being able to cd every 1.5 mins

[steel horizon]

well technically u cant dance with every sectec

[tribal blade]

not every one no

[steel horizon]

theres still 1 sectec+symbols w/o dance

[tribal blade]

but close

[steel horizon]

yea

[stark zealot]

hey everyone how you all doing??? I havent touched Sub since shadowlands S4 hows does it feel to play now days???? is it smooth

[vague oar]

Wait what's the bug?

[tepid trellis]

u bug out coup

making your eviscerates always count as 5 extra cp's used

[hazy breach]

Theres even a wowhead post about it

[pliant topaz]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[barren plume]

Sickkkk abuse it while you can! Blizzard put it in the game. They shouldn’t expect people not to play the game as it’s currently made to gain advantage. Maybe they should put out a completely finished game instead of having players beta test for them every year on incomplete projects

[barren plume]

Does that deathstalker mark nameplate border work with sin and sub?

[pliant topaz]

no idea i track it with my a wa not plater

[shell bramble]

!fuu

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[barren plume]

Hmm I just want to have it marked so I can see what mob is marked when I fuck up and target something else by mistake

[pliant topaz]

shrimply focus the mob youre hitting. then make a macro to target your focus target and ez

[tribal blade]

yeah i do this too, easiest way to keep track of your marked target

[left ledge]

did they fix coup bug

any knowers

[clever delta]

propably not yet

[left ledge]

:/

[clever delta]

they still flexing in outlaw channel

[tribal blade]

it is very dangerous to abuse known bugs like that

if it's not something that can happen by accident

[mighty delta]

wait hold on i saw something above that we have a sectech WITHOUT dance?

[clever delta]

at this point so many pepople abused that they cant do anything about it

[daring raptor]

anyone have a weakaura for supercharger?

can't seem to see where you should track it

[clever delta]

and they could fix it like they did before in no time, but they did not

[half comet]

havent gotten around to trying it but reading about it do we not just have an excess of symbols in ST? you use 2 in opener and 2 dances even with trickster i assume, then dance sod , naked sod

bakc into cds

and its all good? it always lines up like that

[pliant topaz]

they can though.

[barren plume]

I don’t do it, but I don’t see how blizzard can be upset at shit like that when they put the game out before properly testing. We are unpaid game testers for unfinished product after unfinished product

[pliant topaz]

ez 1 week vaccation

[clever delta]

well they can but wont

[pliant topaz]

remove the kills

the logs

the io

the w/e

yeah thats the question

[lucid lily]

Tell me you don’t understand software development without telling me

[clever delta]

thats fine with me but no banning

[pliant topaz]

if they will or not

[pliant topaz]

?

[clever delta]

its their mistake in first place, they did same mistake as before but last time they fixed it within hours of being known

[lucid lily]

Not you, sorry

[barren plume]

He’s talking about me

[pliant topaz]

regarding what youre saying youre also not wrong because all of tehse are old bugs that existed

they hotfixed them on live

[barren plume]

And my take on the bugs they aren’t fixing

[pliant topaz]

but never pushed to ptr

and then merged ptr to live

so non of the hotfixes/changes were applied

[clever delta]

they have so many bugs now across whole game

[pliant topaz]

almost non of these are new

[clever delta]

they propably cant keep up with prio fixing

[pliant topaz]

all of these existed on ptr

almost all of these were known

they just didnt do anything about it

[barren plume]

They can’t keep up because they are reworking so many classes that are already top dps or tank

Riddle me that

[clever delta]

idk what to think about it, its getting worse and worse in my eyes

[barren plume]

That’s why they push year long subscriptions, so they don’t have to fix shit cause they already got your money for a year

[barren plume]

Just in time to drop the next season to lure you back in to get swindled again by bugs all for those year long subscription mounts

[pliant topaz]

eh, this isnt a very good look for sure

[clever delta]

i dont care that much, but make me wonder since HOF is not even close to be closed wtf is this mess from them

[pliant topaz]

but u can also see the positives

[warm marlin]

it was rediscovered by someone who triggered it accidentally, certainly now most doing it are doing it intentionally but they might feel weird about banning if it could be false positives

[pliant topaz]

u get to enjoy the new sub! which is absolute cinema

u get to ele abuse and have these baboons chainlightning spam you to 3.1K io

[leaden prairie]

[pliant topaz]

isa vibe

[pliant topaz]

you get 3 weeks

that ones personal

[leaden prairie]

yo btw

i think that new sub thing

kinda works well

3 sod i mean

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

sub right now

yeah

3 sods is litearlly absolute cinema

its the most fun ive had playing the spec since i started playing this game

[clever delta]

posotive for me is that they are trying to push new content fast, which is always good

[ornate current]

its not, id rather if they gave us also 1 more stack os ST

[leaden prairie]

wtf bro

only did 3 keys with it

[pliant topaz]

i hate u eu guys btw. you guys have upgs doing 2 keys higher than NA. im done with 13s and theres litearlly 0 14s in lfg

[barren plume]

Idk how they didn’t instantly hot fix ele that’s mind blowing

[pliant topaz]

so im hardstuck waiting for friends to finally start playing

[leaden prairie]

im gotta be honest im not pugging much anymore

15s are a bit hard to pug

[pliant topaz]

yeah probably smart

my friends dont like this seasons pool

so theyre not pushing yet

[leaden prairie]

ye

[pliant topaz]

so now im alonege

[leaden prairie]

finding people that want to play this game

is rough

[barren plume]

I like the dungeons, wish they would do some classic dungeons I want to go back into strath and scholo

[leaden prairie]

we are still having to pug a last dps

[barren plume]

Any word anywhere on next season dungeons?

[pliant topaz]

EU seems more enthused about keys in general

you guys have more people interested in it and playing it

NA its either all groups of friends u would know or youre stuck in lfg doing keys like 4 levels higher than r1 keys

[warm marlin]

NA pug is so dead at title level

[barren plume]

I’m NA and I prefer keys over raid

[warm marlin]

is the same 50 people posting and accepting 1 key per hour

[leaden prairie]

armin

[pliant topaz]

litearl perfection

[leaden prairie]

first boss mist

is there stuffs i can do to do more damage during the phase

me noob

first timing

like usually you only send 2 sod during cds right

but i can probably send 3 or whatever idk

if its any value at al

[hazy breach]

probably send the sod earlier to make sure the supercharger hits inside the burst

And also so you get enough cdr for another sectech

I dont think 3 is gonna be worth it though

[left ledge]

ok, coup bug is still in game

and for some reason works on trickster itself

[leaden prairie]

i dont get what you mean by sod earlier

[hazy breach]

Not in pandemic

[leaden prairie]

oh that one

ye

[pliant topaz]

u oculd but the damage amps pretty short

[hazy breach]

Its 15s

[leaden prairie]

only

hm

[pliant topaz]

u can do 2.4M on that boss though with wf only

[leaden prairie]

im effraid i might fumble ngl

[pliant topaz]

1.5 min is really good on it

u just send 1.5 min on pull on the boss. then milk until 7 sec before the 2nd fear so 1.5 min are back up

then burn and repeat

[leaden prairie]

oh you can send 1.5min on pull

no wae

[pliant topaz]

yeah boss takes full damage first 30 sec

so u just burn him with first cd set, to not lose a cast

then milk until 2nd fear and repeat

[sinful sluice]

Do i just take token here? Ive already got mythic chest or the heroic ring

[strange chasm]

So with DS/Trickster are they still play sorta the same regarding sending sec tech. Looking through Eleems post seems like just sending Shadow Blades later?

[mighty delta]

does that post explain why shadow blades is after sectech on opener?

i don't exactly understand why not go shadow blades with the other cds before

[pliant topaz]

because shadowblades doesnt work with sectech and only lasts 16 seconds

first gcd u have premed and you are secteching first

so you strike sectech

[daring raptor]

it works with the physical dmg from yourself but that is soooo low. so it is not worth

[pliant topaz]

so u dont waste premed and don tlose damage on secetch

then u have blades cover until the end of 2nd dance

ez

[daring raptor]

lol wait what

sever shutdown in 12?

[strange chasm]

So we always just send Sectech first DS or Trickster>

[pliant topaz]

yea

[hazy breach]

Yes

[graceful crown]

im loving these buffs

this feels amazing rn

[daring raptor]

anyone know how to track the supercharger ?

[daring raptor]

what a man

[hazy breach]

1 or whatever you want

[daring raptor]

Do you guys just macro symbols and dance together

or ?

[hazy breach]

Depends on how your UI is set up

no

[daring raptor]

Why not ?

[hazy breach]

Because theyre not always used at the same time

[vale lagoon]

do u ever dance without symbols

no right

[daring raptor]

??

[vale lagoon]

ur sending 1 naked symbol every 1:30

to save up double dance for flag

BUT

[daring raptor]

i know you will overlap with like 3- sec but the supercharged combo points are supposed to used in your dshadow dance ?

[vale lagoon]

you never send naked dance

[daring raptor]

wait what ?

[vale lagoon]

?

[daring raptor]

1:30 is your next flag?

[vale lagoon]

every 1:30 u have a flag right

u always wanna double dance during that

[vivid oxide]

is there any reason to actually use shiv atm or is it just picked so we can go further on the tree

[mighty delta]

do you overlap them?

[vale lagoon]

but ur dance cd isn't NEARLY enough to generate 2 fucking stacks of dance in a bit over a minute

[vale lagoon]

what do u mean overlap them lol, dance doesn't pandemic

just like

[mighty delta]

the symbols

[vale lagoon]

oh

sometimes lol

because that one DOES pandemic

but honestly it doesn't rly matter

[daring raptor]

like ?

you do it evert 30 sec?

together

[vale lagoon]

idk why it's so complicated when u describe it lol

just send symbols with dance

until ur like 30 seconds out from flag

and then u dont send dance

just symbols

and wham bam pump again with double dance when flag comes back up

like sit on a dummy for 5 mins and u get it

[daring raptor]

so you have a full minute without using dance

[vale lagoon]

no

[daring raptor]

taht sounds so crazy

[vale lagoon]

when ur 30 sec out from flag

[daring raptor]

yeah you only send symbols not dance

[vale lagoon]

i encourage u

just try it on a dummy

5 mins

[daring raptor]

your last dance was at 30 sec

[vale lagoon]

it'll make perfect sense

[daring raptor]

from 30 sec to 1:30 is 1 minute

[fair stump]

By this point, you should have 2 charges of symbols, right?

[vale lagoon]

it's not that deep lol

u have enough symbols to send one every 30ish sec

and still have 2 every flag

[fair stump]

I want to know if I'm messing my rotation by that point

[hazy breach]

Make sure you have 2x symbols and 2x dances every flag+blades

Outside of that try to use sectech as much as possible and try to line up symbols & dances with it. Which typically means not using either symbols, dance or sectech ~20 sec before flag

[fair stump]

If dance is close to being up, do I delay symbols?

[hazy breach]

(but again, make sure you have 2x for blades)

[fair stump]

Or send symbols while waiting for dance? (2~3ish seconds)

[hazy breach]

You dont cast it on cd

[slate nest]

I wish we get a few more buffs so it won't be sin prio in m+

[daring raptor]

bro that is what i said at the start and you said no

[fossil blade]

wd

[fair stump]

Yeah, it seems to be 1 minute without dancing

You could try and see how it changes with the cdr gained tho, it could be less time

[daring raptor]

Okay so you do use again at 45 sec here

It still sounds like such a Long as time

[bronze hatch]

just want to say ty to fuu et al for the work u do, guys like u keep the game fun for schlubs like me

[steel horizon]

its not picked lol. you take blind

[strange chasm]

ok actually sub is fun now

3 symbols is lit

[sinful sluice]

how do i sim for the items that i dont own yet?

droptemizer seems quite complicated tho

[steel horizon]

gear compare

or droptimizer yeah

[hazy breach]

Add them into top gear

[vivid oxide]

you take all 3 first level talents

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PcJIoORnfT5WMvVPFR45ViL5mh3li-Um_xkE2myOh4g/https/i.imgur.com/TiZfLnH.png?format=webp&quality=lossless

[hazy breach]

You do not need gear compare anymore, theres a reason its among the hidden options

[sinful sluice]

do i have to edit code manually in order to do that?

[hazy breach]

No

You type it into the search bar at the top

[steel horizon]

idk where you got that brother but sub 100% does not take shiv lol

[sinful sluice]

ohh thanks

[vivid oxide]

literally the tc thread

[hazy breach]

you can pick shiv if you want

It doesnt really matter, its utility nodes

[vivid oxide]

yeah i was just wondering if there's really a use to press it outside of pvp rn

[hazy breach]

To dispell enrages in like grim batol

But pretty niche

[vivid oxide]

ok ty 💜

[steel horizon]

lmao i didnt realize top gear had the search bar

i still been using gear compare here and there

[vale lagoon]

+11 db kekw

didn't think i could crack 1.6 mil

again

[thorn ibex]

talent please

[vale lagoon]

just the ones in pins frien

our overlord fuu always comes through for us there

oh but

no tornado!

fuck tornado!

[bronze hatch]

im using tornado rn

pray for me its brd

[strange chasm]

we can take snd off our bars now right

[steel horizon]

finally did non ass damage on mythic sikran. trickster feelin alrighttt

cant stand that fight

[trim ridge]

after abt 5 m+ with sub rogue with the new patch i have to say it doesnt feel bad!

[sinful sluice]

is mythic splice'n'dice worth taking from vault compared to mythic spyglass?

[trim ridge]

actually fun to play

[sinful sluice]

simc says yeah but i think ill be stronger if i just take 2 blood kissed daggers instead

[bronze hatch]

ok i changed my minmd

i hate this talent

[frank bobcat]

waiting for sod charges after wipes :/

[steel horizon]

it is sketchy yeah

[plush roost]

anybody know whats randomly dc'ing my raid ?

during mechanics

[steel horizon]

servers are kinda fucked rn

people in my raid dcing as well

[plush roost]

hmm was wondering if it was WA related

[plain zephyr]

I'm simming higher as Sub than Assassination in dugeon slice!! 😄 :cheer:

[tribal blade]

i'm sitting tabbed out from wow and got dc'd twice in a row

jsut now

[steel sierra]

I updated Luxthos, how do I get flawless form to show up on my bars? Used to do so, not seeing it any longer

[short radish]

search for it

and disable the never load

[steel sierra]

Got it! Thanks

[shell bramble]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[young path]

Are logs still messed up when uploaded? did 1.59 on raashan but the log shows 1.4 :*(... thought that got fixed...

[plain zephyr]

Was an Aug in the group?

[strange chasm]

Any tips for silken? Are we stalling cds until 1:45?

[young path]

yah, i didnt realize that was a factor either

[plain zephyr]

Yeah it subtracts dps the aug added to you

[hazy breach]

Also any damage done to adds are removed on logs

[vagrant sinew]

not anymore!

[hazy breach]

Wait what

Why did they reenable it

[vagrant sinew]

some classes werent very happy about it, think they decided to reenable a while ago they just waited for patch

for new partition

[hazy breach]

Ok i guess

[sinful sluice]

the reason why we dont SS before tech right after dance+symbols at the opening is for supercharger right?

so do we always want to use our supercharger for tech

[hazy breach]

Yes you want supercharger to benefit sectech

But you also want to get sectech on cd so you dont end up "wasting" cdr on it

[sinful sluice]

i see

also, where do you macro your trasnmitter after the patch?

macroing with dance/symbols or flag both feels bit wierd

[hazy breach]

I'd recommend flag

But ye its not great

[edgy zenith]

sub people help

i don't wanna go into Sin channel, they're weird

did anything change in opener?

brood reclear :(((

[pliant topaz]

for sin?

[crystal spear]

are they gonna ban ppl for the coup de grace bug

[strange chasm]

@pliant topaz you think sub is better for court still?

[pliant topaz]

prob not, but ill play sub

[steel sierra]

Found a bug? Tricks isn't lasting one hour despite having the talent. I reloaded, relogged and changed specs, still not working

[strange chasm]

You think sin is better probably?

[edgy zenith]

yes, can I just do what I did last week with new build and be fine?

[pliant topaz]

kinad, whispyr has it it there. its a bit simplified since u dont need to cast snd and u dont have er

u just vanish last 6 seconds of kb on dm+kb sets and shiv + tea

[sinful sluice]

when exactly do we fit in vanish in our rotations? its not ready for 2nd flag i think

also regarding the rotation, do we want to have 2 dances / 3 symbols ready for 2nd rotations as well? or just 2/2

[vagrant sinew]

think stealthi said you lose cds on 2 dmg amps now, so its prob worse

[steel horizon]

its 2/2 just like the opener

[vagrant sinew]

but the boss isnt so much about dmg tbh, just live till end

[cobalt vapor]

the correct spec is obviously fatebound tricksterlaw

[lucid jackal]

GG

[pliant topaz]

dead?

[lucid jackal]

yezzir

[strange chasm]

As in sin is troll now or sub

[nimble burrow]

Guy ur not using the bug?

[vagrant sinew]

theyre both fine but sin will likely do more dmg

[strange chasm]

Oh its sub that loses the damage on the amps now?

[vagrant sinew]

yeah, nothing changes for assa

[visual axle]

bug

[lucid jackal]

Nope

natty dam

[pliant topaz]

huge gratz! wp

[lucid jackal]

New sub feels so good to play

I also fucking obliterated the boss

[nimble burrow]

Yea new sub is very good and fascinating

Even in M+ in my thought

[strange chasm]

I mean more symbols means more shadow tech procs means more just slamming finishers

thats pretty good

[nimble burrow]

The 3 spec can be playable but after this edition, outlaw will be the bottom, and sub will rise, most of talents are good for sub&sin(except tea)

[fossil blade]

the bad news for us is that if subt is well and funny to play, blizzard will instant nerf him. So gg XD

[crystal spear]

does the bug work on trickster, or do I have to swap to deathstalker

[nimble burrow]

We are funny and well, just the number is kinda low for finisher? Idk i am not a good sub, but i can sure that we are fine bc outlaw having bug and being insane now

[sinful sluice]

After opener with 2 dance/2 symbols, we have 1/1 left right away right? Do we just press them right away

[hazy breach]

#1271971289396936735 message
I tried explaining it here, lmk if you feel like it makes sense or if its not helpful at all

[nimble burrow]

After that sub won't be the first target, now i afraid is when they fix outlaw bug they nerf outlaw with the fixing which might cause outlaw become unplayable

[lucid jackal]

Subs damage feels so fucking good now

Idk if I just popped off or anything but like

[strange chasm]

Sins feels really good too

[lucid jackal]

p1 p3 all phases

Damage feels crazy good

[hazy breach]

Yep its good

[tulip trail]

loving it

[uncut bloom]

I want to dabble in a bit of sub again, this helps

[rustic raven]

wfym obliterated

ur second

humble just waiting for it to bug out so we can kill ong

[lucid jackal]

Losing to a PI target

[frank bobcat]

has anyone noticed cases where you consume shadowcraft procs when shadow blades is up (i.e. you are at 0 cps)

maybe it was that autofill from RS

[nimble burrow]

May i ask, the second finisher rule is no longer available now so does it mean we should cast technique in the fisher?

[rustic raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/856606633622241341.gif?v=1

[wind canopy]

Grats yo

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[hazy breach]

Yes, sectech first

#1271971289396936735 message
Hopefully explains how to align your stuff around sectech

[plain zephyr]

I didn't realize Outlaw got bufffed so hard??? It's shitting on Assassination now?

[nimble burrow]

ty so much eleem!

[short radish]

🐛

[plain zephyr]

Ahh what is the bug

[short radish]

#outlaw

[flint sundial]

permanent coup

[plain zephyr]

hahah that's hilarious.

[short radish]

somehow the coup bug has returned

disney ruining another franchise

[vale lagoon]

tf u were 1.8 mil in overall for the whole run and then RUN INTO THE STATIONARY ORB

of CoT lady

[short radish]

need to soak orbs

[vale lagoon]

LUL soak orbs yup

das what im doing

[short radish]

🐒

[vale lagoon]

poggers

saving the precious frost dk

[short radish]

exactly

get down mr president

[vale lagoon]

but man is sub saved or what!

[short radish]

im kinda keen to try it again

still dunno if toplay it for court though

[vale lagoon]

absolutely should

[short radish]

but seems to be the play for queen?

[vale lagoon]

it fucks

[mighty delta]

so i simmed both vers flask and alchemical chaos - was about a 3k difference so negligible. Are you guys running vers or chaos in raid?

[short radish]

chaos on farm and vers on prog (lol joking healers heal)

[leaden ledge]

what's /cqs?

[molten citrus]

Cancels queued spell

[brisk onyx]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[edgy zenith]

damn, Sub is hella fun rn

and blasting

still sucks ass on Broodtwister though, do not try it

[fair stump]

Isn't blackjack better than tricks on sub?

[nimble burrow]

masters do u think the new talent (3 stacks of Symbol) is healthy for Sub in M+

[vale lagoon]

tricks makes it ez for u to pad

[pliant topaz]

wat

[nimble burrow]

does it make us better in M+? bc its like more small burst?

[pliant topaz]

Yea

It’s a great addition

[nimble burrow]

i always be having a smattering of knowledge, want to keep learning and be a good sub, sry for asking stupid question

[pliant topaz]

Nah you’re good! No bas questions just sometimes confusing what’s being asked

[merry agate]

Trickster was said to be dead as fuck with 11.0.5 ...

What happened? They fixxed some shit? 🤔

[nimble burrow]

okay sir i will try to make it clear

💀 just i guess its language skill issue

need to improve my English skill

[pliant topaz]

All g! Happy to help

[vale lagoon]

ngl i'd rly encourage anyone curious

to literally just swap over and run a simple +10 or something

something u can steamroll

[wispy sedge]

with the new changes.. macroing dance with sod would be bad right?

[vale lagoon]

i swear it's not

as long as u have sod on its own key too

[molten citrus]

It’s usually discouraged

[dawn trellis]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[soft summit]

But how do you not accidentally use multiple sods? I spam click shadow dance

[wind canopy]

#showtooltip Symbols of Death
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null 
/cqs```

[muted agate]

what is this talent man

[teal prawn]

Bis talent

Bis grill

[vale lagoon]

...?

wat

do u have dance on ur stealth bar?

[brisk onyx]

What is cqs doing?

[rustic geyser]

you say this like it's some egregious mistake, but it might be on a completely separate bar to one that changes with stealth skills, or a myriad of other reasons it could become an issue for peeps

[vale lagoon]

ay mb didn't mean to come off like that man

just that SD should generally be one of the core binds no?

and having on the main bar and going away when we already got stealth

feels hella nice

[rustic geyser]

maybe, but if you've ever had the conversation with peeps about personal binds or button layouts your mind will reel for years

everyones layout is so incredibly different

[vale lagoon]

i think there was some guy

who bound dance to mouse wheel or something?

yeah i definitely grew some grey hair reading that lol

[rustic geyser]

I know a guy who has interupt on - just past 0...

he hits that shit with his index finger too

[vale lagoon]

????

do you know shaq irl?

https://tenor.com/view/stay-cool-drink-water-shaq-relaxed-calm-gif-25291228

[short radish]

my tea bind is Y

[vale lagoon]

guy built like this

[short radish]

crimson vial is G

[rustic geyser]

I swear to got he's not an inch over 5'9

[short radish]

i have some wack binds

[rustic geyser]

he's just got hand dexterity like a jjk character

[vale lagoon]

aint no way we say jjk over naruto now

[short radish]

you mean borutos dad

[rustic geyser]

HAHAHAHAHA

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vale lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-monke-monkey-gif-9277508150881632018

oh man jjk tho

i think i saw some translated memes from like the chinese fandom

they were asking "will it be us fighting sukuna next chapter"

every time manga updates

[rustic geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/megumi-fushiguro-fushiguro-megumi-megumi-fushiguro-toji-fushiguro-gif-14764636942047131755

[vale lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/hatake-kakashi-naruto-jutsus-hand-seals-gif-15360339

am i being an anime boomer

[short radish]

yes

[rustic geyser]

naruto still godtier though

also the ending of jjk was flacid asf but #nospoilers

[vale lagoon]

real jjk ended with gojo

everything after that was just a meme factory for eastern bros

[final cedar]

Is it correct to use Trickster instead of Deathstalker in single target now??

[left ledge]

yeah

they're pretty even

but trickster can do things deathstalker cant

[final cedar]

Even for pure single-target bosses like Kivessa and Sik'ral, is Trickster still the better choice?

Do you know why? Is it because Deathstalker is bugged or something like that?

[vale lagoon]

it's cooldowns no?

trickster having shorter sectech cd

and extra CPs from coup

just feels better

plus i swear deathstalker is fucking hard carried by like 2 nodes, one of which being hunt them down

and i doubt that one is good on any movement heavy fight

[left ledge]

on pure single target they're even

there's just no point to play deathstalker

only reason to play deathstalker is to abuse a bug

[final cedar]

@left ledge thx dude

[vale lagoon]

it's kinda funny how the BP buff made DS good for like

2 weeks

and then now we finally get our spec to where it was supposed to be

[pliant topaz]

good ngl. trickster sub feels like heaven. deathstalker feels like pooopoo

[vale lagoon]

deathstalker sub in keys KEKW

2 weeks of that shit legit almost made me reroll OL/sin

thank god i held onto my conviction

[wind canopy]

Coming around to the changes?

[pliant topaz]

ive been a fan of them for like a week now wym

[vale lagoon]

and now i get to have this dps even tho i inted RIGHT when i popped flag + blades lmao

[pliant topaz]

ive always liked trickster thats why i pushed so hard to work on trickster apl

[wind canopy]

Wasn’t like that a while back 😛

[vale lagoon]

bro trickster wasn't that great with dust lol

triple dance is so fucked

[sinful sluice]

Do we still spread ruptures to every adds on mythic+ without brew?

[vale lagoon]

i think we burst first and spread later now, like god intended

[sinful sluice]

huh

Having tornado and rupture spread with trickster feels kinda new

[pliant topaz]

i mean i liked trickster since alpha

and ive hated deathstalker since it got announced

and i still hate it

tricksters even better and more engaging now

[wind canopy]

I mean like the SoD charges for example

[pliant topaz]

and deathstalkers a bit more interesting but still ass

[pliant topaz]

i was wrong on that one yea. I underestimated how cool they are tbh

i actually appologized to realz for that one

he left me on read

[wind canopy]

Ah

[pliant topaz]

but hopefully he accepts it

[vale lagoon]

i still feel like

1 dance is the future

:((((

that naked symbol b4 flag

is the only chink in our perfect gameplay armor

[wind canopy]

It’s okay, he leaves everyone on read

Shoulda seen him when zac jumped into vc with him and realz logged

[pliant topaz]

no shot

really?

HAHAHAHA

[wind canopy]

[pliant topaz]

i love realz tbh

too funny

[vale lagoon]

maaaan i wish i got to talk to this man

[muted agate]

whats the ds bug

coup exploit?

[sinful sluice]

Yea

[vale lagoon]

LMAO

rly

now 2 hero trees are bugging out together?

[sinful sluice]

Wait so if we use supercharge + full cp coup, its like 14cp finisher?

[short radish]

fatebound rises up

[final cedar]

Is the APL on Raidbots up-to-date right now? I'm planning to practice my rotation based on it

[short radish]

sorta yes

[molten citrus]

Oops

Wrong chat

Ignore me

[sinful sluice]

Damn dornogal rn is so lagging

Cant practice on dummy

Gotta visit ogirmmar or smt

[wind canopy]

But hearing the conversation he had with daps, stealthi, fuu, and others in vc about sub stuff, made it clear he’s listening at the very least. Just more of “what power does/did he have to change stuff?”

[left ledge]

i imagine he had pretty constricted freedom lmao

[pliant topaz]

i saw them in disc

i shoulda joined

[alpine wraith]

at what time?

[pliant topaz]

but im pretty sure i was playing league with my gf

at the time

it was like 10pm ish my time

so like right now actually

[alpine wraith]

so super night for me or super morning

[wind canopy]

This was like December or something. I think you were there too

[alpine wraith]

ah yea i was there too

[vale lagoon]

does he have the power to fix bugs lol

[alpine wraith]

they have fixed some

[wind canopy]

It was a pretty late night for me, so morning for you

[alpine wraith]

praise

[vale lagoon]

any of the flurry/sectech based ones

no right

[muted agate]

should i bug aboose

and git banned

[short radish]

[vale lagoon]

how tf do u even do that

[short radish]

[wind canopy]

Was also like December though or something like that. Damn, it’s been a while…

[short radish]

dunno what the DS bugs are though

something like really fucking strong eviscerates

coup bug is also back

[vale lagoon]

don't rlly see it

[muted agate]

its in outlaw

[alpine wraith]

please no abuserino

[vale lagoon]

OH

thank fuck

[sinful sluice]

I think sub has it as well

[short radish]

yah

[vale lagoon]

bcuz when i was crushing a fdk with the same ilvl as me in key earlier

that got me scared lol

[alpine wraith]

nah if you had bug in a key you would need to be DS

[wind canopy]

Damn, that was a long time ago…

[left ledge]

The coup bug is what’s being used for DS

[short radish]

🙃

as one of the 3 sub DS enjoyers, my day is ruined and my disappointment immeasurable

[left ledge]

It’ll get fixed by reset

Daily reset

[merry agate]

Now back to the Things that matter

Whats your highest evis since yesterday?

[tribal blade]

can't get into anything because people only want outlaw or ele

geeeeeez

[merry agate]

Havent tried in Keys only Dummy and some quick bosses but today

[vale lagoon]

didnt the update break OL

[tribal blade]

broke as in outlaw is doing absurd dps

or did they do another update

[alpine wraith]

it is the same bug as sub

[wind canopy]

Guessing you know about the bug/exploit atm for outlaw