#subtlety
short radish
tribal blade
the RL discord? haha nice
alpine wraith
ok guys shiv does not work with supercharger
tribal blade
ok guys shiv does not work with supercharger
on sin?
alpine wraith
no on sub
tribal blade
if you could proc supercharger on shiv
since it's technically part of the spell for sin
we would have insane supercharger usage on sub
vale lagoon
wait what
supercharger and shiv?
oh like
just using it to get even more CP
lmao
short radish
oh that would have been wild
short radish
damn guess devs really do pay attention to this spec
weary kite
surreal ravine
I kind of miss the full combo point spam of Sub compared to being low energy on Sin
vale lagoon
I kind of miss the full combo point spam of Sub compared to being low energy on ...
yeah ngl sub is a blast even with 3 stack symbols being super tumorous
just turn off details to play it
wispy bolt
Then i show my guild this and they cry when i say i wont swap
"the changes are generally a downgrade... <lists all aspects of the game> ... This does not meant [the] patch is bad"
surreal ravine
Getting all those pints on blood twister with fan of knives is great the igh
Though
wispy bolt
they just dont get that i just like the spec in an abusiove relationship type of way
surreal ravine
they just dont get that i just like the spec in an abusiove relationship type of...
In mythic prog or heroic?
wispy bolt
Mythic lol
pliant topaz
if you could proc supercharger on shiv
u cant. its just a simc bug
eleem teted on ptr
tribal blade
u cant. its just a simc bug
it would be pretty wild if we could
surreal ravine
Gaslight them that your guild is having mechanics issues not dps
pliant topaz
would be very strong yea
wispy bolt
Gaslight them that your guild is having mechanics issues not dps
we are having healer issues so im safe for now. also the only rogue that isnt benched so im safe
thank god for DR
surreal ravine
we are having healer issues so im safe for now. also the only rogue that isnt be...
They're doing worse even as Sin?
tribal blade
@pliant topaz which boss do you start on on the 1st boss of mists, i've started seeing people focus the burn boss instead of the tree on pull
wispy bolt
They're doing worse even as Sin?
the sin swapped to DK
tribal blade
i see interesting
short radish
the sin swapped to DK
hey so did ours
pliant topaz
then milk tree for 1.5 min or w/e waiting for cds
tribal blade
gotcha, i like it a lot
alpine wraith
boss takes full dmg for around 45 secs
pliant topaz
ill say, im pretty excited to play sub in mist i think its good
alpine wraith
then he fears then casts veil
pliant topaz
after .5
alpine wraith
sub in mists is going to be good yea
tribal blade
i agree, i think sub will be good in mists
alpine wraith
you can save 2 SoDs for the amp
tribal blade
that's a dungeon i'm down to use sub
pliant topaz
1.5 min works well in that key imp
tribal blade
there's also the ST sin spec
where you take arterial instead of sudden demise
wanna try that some time too
vale lagoon
ill say, im pretty excited to play sub in mist i think its good
wait, can u define good lol
like compared to sin/ret/frost, would we only be like 200k behind instead of 500k~700k?
and i hope im not coming across as sarcastic or anything
pliant topaz
imma be honest, im not that interested in overall numbers
vale lagoon
like legit
pliant topaz
i care about how much the spec speeds up the key
vale lagoon
i wanna know where we land after patch
vale lagoon
👍 👍 👍
pliant topaz
yes
short radish
poggers
pliant topaz
your peak is a lot higher actually
vale lagoon
i just feel like balance/success is always relative
pliant topaz
like 8% ish
vale lagoon
?
our 2 min peak is ret's 45 sec peak tho?
kek
i feel like no rogue peak is all that high
after playing with fire mages in bfa
alpine wraith
not ret more like around 60 to 75% of dh
but that is fine
we just have a more spread burst
for like 10 secs or so
alpine wraith
oh and that is mean burst too if you do a sim
vale lagoon
it should just be one big one
wispy bolt
i want blades + flag + cb + sectech to hit for like 100mil 
alpine wraith
and some evis and get some wm in there
wispy bolt
then 0 damage so i can bio
alpine wraith
well a charger coup can already get to 10m+
i wonder if i change to radiance instead of dephts
now that i wont really play DS anywhere
vale lagoon
i want blades + flag + cb + sectech to hit for like 100mil <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106...
man imagine we had some sort of dmg multiplier during dance based on how "well" we play out of dance lol
dunno what the metric would be tho
cp spent? spellcast? damage done?
wispy bolt
imagine telling your guild "guys i know i do 50k dps outside of dance but i swear thats how i hit for 1bil on my 1 ability if i play it good"
vale lagoon
i mean do u have to tell them lol
imagine if we hit so hard with one ability we can actually make a raid boss's hp bar visibly move
that's MY fantasy lol
like it goes from 90% hp to 85% in a single gcd
short radish
man imagine we had some sort of dmg multiplier during dance based on how "well" ...
something like a dance macabre?
vale lagoon
something like a dance macabre?
nah danse macabre is during dance tho
short radish
except reverse
vale lagoon
ehhhhhh
like
ur dance dmg is increased by unique spell casts before u press dance?
idk if that's playing well tho lol
just pressing every available generator and spender once without paying attention to cp gen and energy and stuff doesn't sound like proper good gameplay
bcuz rn out of dance we're doing shit like
using CtW but only out of symbols
and for what
right
0.1% increase?
alpine wraith
the witness one is a bit more
wispy bolt
i want a real aoe ability
alpine wraith
and actually a funny thing is that with first dance you stab and storm if DS likely in ST
but only once in a fight if raid boss
and it is still behind WM anyway
short radish
i want a real aoe ability
instructions unclear, shuriken storm now costs 60 energy
wispy bolt
imagine if BP was replaced with any kyveza ability
like something cool
but im also on the boat that the sec tech animation should be the dashes from that fight so something other than that
vale lagoon
imagine if BP was replaced with any kyveza ability
i feel like bp IS cool lol
its animation is like clearly magical
but they had to make it so the name/description is us throwing powders like a crackhead
instead of just a pulse of shadow magic
wispy bolt
i think it looks lazy
vale lagoon
except its animations are more pronounced than sectechs LOL
u know what tho
i feel like it's kinda a waste
wispy bolt
sec tech is just evis animation right?
alpine wraith
no it is strike
wispy bolt
basically the same
vale lagoon
that dfa's jump animation never got reused
wispy bolt
like where are the shadowclones when pressing sec tech
short radish
okay lets not make promises we're definitely not going to keep
but yeah replace sectech with the lines that go out or something
wispy bolt
facts we'll be bottom on M+ dps again and ill break that promise immediately
short radish
wispy bolt
since starting this game i havent had a single season where i wanted to play m+
vale lagoon
we had a good run earlier in df no?
vale lagoon
oh i am sorry for ur loss
u missed legion
as well
oh god
the days of DFAing into mechanics like we're dh players
vale lagoon
take me back
wispy bolt
did all specs used to have rupture?
midnight iron
no
wispy bolt
why did we get it
vale lagoon
combat rogues did, no?
midnight iron
it used to be nightblade for sub
wispy bolt
it does piss damage for the amount of globals it takes to spread
vale lagoon
it does piss damage for the amount of globals it takes to spread
...thats...certainly a take?
alpine wraith
yea we all had rupture
vale lagoon
vale lagoon
then in legion and bfa we had nightblade
lol remember when they tried to bake sanguinary veins into nightblade
that was a trip
vale lagoon
was it?
i thought that wasn't a thing back during the strike spam days
it came with the dfa style, no?
pliant topaz
god damn nice
alpine wraith
well time to take a shower i feel so good
god rewards the people that wake up to check if shiv procs supercharger
also SnD heal still bugged
ayyy
wispy bolt
4:30min 5 target
didnt vanish to pull in another blades i was just doing normal stuff for rupture damage
"piss" isnt the right word but its not very subtlety
vale lagoon
ehhhh idk, i like the idea of a bleed that's amped by shadow magic
i always wanna embrace that shadow cultist vibe
wispy bolt
if we had to keep a dot, id rather something more in theme with shadow
than a bleeding stab wound
but im also anti dot so maybe id dislike it anyways
spare vigil
I have a question.
What is the cool time for Shadow Blades? Has it been reduced from two minutes to a minute and a half?
vale lagoon
tmrw
vale lagoon
I have a question.
What is the cool time for Shadow Blades? Has it been reduced ...
with patch
grand fox
finishers during shadowblades should spawn the kyveza lines/clones its time to be a void ninja
pliant topaz
I have a question.
What is the cool time for Shadow Blades? Has it been reduced ...
90 seconds after tmrw
wispy bolt
finishers during shadowblades should spawn the kyveza lines/clones its time to b...
sec tech has that description in the tooltip
grand fox
but the lines
wispy bolt
yeah i want the animation lol
vale lagoon
but guys, be straight up with me, with sub's declining popularity
are we the losing side in the ninja vs pirate debate
wispy bolt
3-armed pirate is so cringe
vale lagoon
short radish
are we the losing side in the ninja vs pirate debate
wispy bolt
i love gamba specs
vale lagoon
https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-238...
man
oh imagine if we did dmg with shadowstep tho
somehow
wispy bolt
bodyslam
whats the effective target cap on BP?
"reduced damage beyond 8 targets" but when does that hit 0
wispy bolt
also, if they removed target cap on secret technique, would it be omega broken or just enough for us to do real AOE damage overall?
like how reduced is "reduced" currently
vale lagoon
ngl
idk if like a 8+ cap is that bad
more than 8 targets is gonna be like
3 packs in a key
right
or maybe my brain is just stuck on NW mode since it became the new shadowmoon burial ground
wispy bolt
yeah for bp, but for sec tech its reduced for all other enemies besides the target
vale lagoon
yeah for bp, but for sec tech its reduced for all other enemies besides the targ...
wait what
that was NOT there back in df
no way
?????
wispy bolt
thats what the tooltip says
vale lagoon
insane
alpine wraith
in sl when we had shit mastery
wispy bolt
if they made it even damage it couldnt be that crazy right?
alpine wraith
wispy bolt
please tell me ur spamming 1 button
be so funny
also how the hell is that even in the game at that damage
vale lagoon
isn't it kinda crazy
tho
the moment metzen is back, shamans are super buffed and given new super saiyan forms
and thrall's a shaman
flint umbra
do you guys put transmitter into flag?
sinful sluice
i do
short radish
i do
flint umbra
ok cool ty
alpine wraith
no i do it before
to know which one it is
because jumping 3 can make you proc later than first sec tech
also because of mandate
fucken 30 secs cd
but now that we wont play DS it is more whatever i guess
flint umbra
should i not have these abilities together?
vale lagoon
man
alpine wraith
no that is a nono
vale lagoon
what even is the closest alternative to transmitter this tier lol
flint umbra
what should i seperate?
alpine wraith
transmitter is like 3% better
no symbols
we also dont play tea so it is whatever
vale lagoon
transmitter is like 3% better
than literally everything else? fuck me man
alpine wraith
yes it is
alpine wraith
in 2 days a lot
try to read the new wowhead things and the #tc-info thread we have
alpine wraith
you dont want a symbols dance macro
flint umbra
oh
alpine wraith
and you might be the only person i've seen using tea
tbh
but that is a cool thing
vale lagoon
tea goated in m+ for now
alpine wraith
not really
flint umbra
what would you take instead
vale lagoon
tea + dust sims higher than cb + dust
flint umbra
trickster is still bugged
alpine wraith
yea if you use tea perfectly
flint umbra
i dont really want to mess with it unless its fixed
flint umbra
?
alpine wraith
unlucky
vale lagoon
wdym
basically our TC bros realized that flurry isn't bugged
it was the actual target dummies
lmfao
kinda insane
alpine wraith
should be a bit better
alpine wraith
yea
dawn pasture
what do you think about next patch as sub? about cdr talent removed
flint umbra
what ilvl
flint umbra
ok
alpine wraith
your talents are fine for DS+
alpine wraith
for 1 day EU 10h NA
flint umbra
not super sure on how overalls are supposed to be at that ilvl, but it seems good
alpine wraith
overalls are whatever for sub depends a lot on group
flint umbra
your talents are fine for DS+
im on trickster tho
vale lagoon
and ALL the specs actually seeing play
alpine wraith
yea but ds will be a bit behind
like i said talents had nothing to do with the macro
just dont put dance and symbols
alpine wraith
mostly because we need to skip dances
flint umbra
is tea fine to be macrod into dance?
alpine wraith
and sometimes symbols too
vale lagoon
funny thing is, tomorrow we kiss tea goodbye
alpine wraith
yea tea is whatever
flint umbra
funny thing is, tomorrow we kiss tea goodbye
taking that charger thing right?
flint umbra
i need to look up what that talent does
are you guys hopefuly for tomorrow?
or is the class still poopy garbage butt ass
vale lagoon
tomorrow or today for NA i lose like 3 binds
...why do you have ER and sepsis?
alpine wraith
it will be quite better
vale lagoon
it will be quite better
???????
flint umbra
thats good to hear
alpine wraith
it will be just first dance is quite hard to quantify
vale lagoon
i dont wanna start shit with fellow sub bros but like most other specs are moving up too
alpine wraith
we are in talks with koji to get some proc # toogle
and also seriallos for raidbots
so we dont need to custom apl the number of procs for slice
alpine wraith
we have our strenghts
vale lagoon
BROOOO what
alpine wraith
i mean assa will be likely better
alpine wraith
but sub can do some gnasty things on some bosses
vale lagoon
shammy too
alpine wraith
with saving charger and tricking fist dance
vale lagoon
mages too
alpine wraith
yea shammys are going to be unreal
flint umbra
how ass are my stats? i mainly play outlaw lol
vale lagoon
how ass are my stats? i mainly play outlaw lol
haste has to go way down
crit too
im 15k mastery 14k versa lol, 1% haste
flint umbra
it it usable if i main outlaw?
flint umbra
just wondering if i wont do damage with this setup
cause i like to play all 3 just for fun
alpine wraith
stats wont change a lot of the dmg if you get the basics right it will be ok
vale lagoon
u wont do dmg regardless unless it's both pure st and rly bursty
flint umbra
like to switch it up every once in a while
alpine wraith
but yea try to get vers mastery jewelry if possible
boe ring and dawnbreaker one are good ones
flint umbra
so are the training dummies still not showing damage correctly?
cause if not, then im super happy with the damage its doing from my testing
vale lagoon
...wait, have u not played sin or what
bcuz there's no way a sin player would be happy with sub's aoe lmao
flint umbra
...wait, have u not played sin or what
i do
let me retest assa
also the aoe outside of cds didnt seem to be as bad as i thought
vale lagoon
i thought so too around 610 ilvl
flint umbra
1.5mil from just using the 40 second out of burst rotation
flint umbra
i thought so too around 610 ilvl
does everyone outscale you?
flint umbra
cause yeah im 610 rn
vale lagoon
idk
the guy i play with is like 2.1 mil overall in keys?
he's good but sitll not the cutting edge
and yeah the ret casually pulling ahead of me by like 400k dps in overalls
i was ahead of him 2 weeks ago
that's my bro
in the screenshot?
basically 2 weeks ago i timed my first 11, and rn im still on 11s bcuz im sorta hitting a wall
sad moment
flint umbra
maybe the changes will help a lot
short radish
nah he just got skilled
vale lagoon
it will help, but so far, projections are not "a lot"
vale lagoon
the guy started playing this game
THIS prepatch
i had to teach him about stat weight
short radish
maybe he's just innately talented
tribal blade
basically 2 weeks ago i timed my first 11, and rn im still on 11s bcuz im sorta ...
it's really hard to get into 12s, and if you want to even stand a chance you need to be sin
vale lagoon
it's really hard to get into 12s, and if you want to even stand a chance you nee...
i mean i can prolly time them now, i had a +12 db key all week
but yeah i just dont have the confidence bcuz im not exactly hard crushing keys
the way i did df s1
alpine wraith
yea i did 11s like second week
vale lagoon
ig i got no balls
alpine wraith
and none after that
tribal blade
i mean i can prolly time them now, i had a +12 db key all week
you can definitely time 12s with sub
but thing is you can do carry damage as sin
vale lagoon
you can definitely time 12s with sub
yea but i feel like sub timing 12s is more just crushing it with ilvl
tribal blade
i don't think i can do carry damage as sub
vale lagoon
as opposed to us playing a strong spec well
alpine wraith
what is cool about sin is that kb + dm even big boi adds melt
if only singular focus worked with blades and sec tech
tribal blade
for the easy 12s playing sub and not having too many deaths works
vale lagoon
but hook decided to get stuck in a totem
world of bugcraft
but man i feel so bad
im rooting against fuu/armin so hard rn
desperately wishing they missed something in sims/apl and our dmg in keys actually just shoot up 20%
is rooting against the tc bros bannable here?
proper temple
@vale pine looking at the wowhead guide, is there a reason we use shadow blades after sectech and not before it in the opener?
flint umbra
ritual knife good?
still quartz
!sim
still quartz
what is command for bloodmallet :/
flint umbra
simc maybe
flint umbra
ok cool ty
have an okay build rn
just that dagger tho
could i use this for my offhand?
still quartz
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
flint umbra
damn thats annoying
still quartz
but again it is 580 vs 619
alpine wraith
<@194804407706189824> looking at the wowhead guide, is there a reason we use sha...
duration and also sec tech does not buffed by blades
flint umbra
ok
i thought offhands were super unimportant
or is the legit only important thing the attack speed
uncut socket
or is the legit only important thing the attack speed
Consider going outlaw until a dagger drops? Or craft one
uncut socket
done lfr, normal and hc? The spinny beam boi drops one
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> looking at the wowhead guide, is there a reason we use sha...
premediation
barren wolf
nimble burrow
uncut socket
is this real bro 😭
All my homies love tornado
cloud rover
delete this talent now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is there for like
ever
I think even in SL
you took it in m+?
uncut socket
why? Flag - all funny buffs - tornado - bp bp bp bp
or when low on energy go get cds down, was good times when you learned to weave it in st
vale pine
All my homies love tornado
not the biggest fan of tornado
muted agate
i hate how fucking clunky it is
vale pine
it is outdated in design
alpine wraith
rn you use tornado to get cdr
outside cds
it is what it is
no need to bother further with it
alpine wraith
also it does play decently on off cd pulls with first dance
fallow nimbus
What if instead of the channel the next finisher cast a storm?
alpine wraith
that would be quite good
cloud rover
it is outdated in design
Especially with Sblades and shadowcraft
alpine wraith
tbh i would like more if instead of tornado our cd would cast strike to extra targets maybe
like SL tier set
tiny mauve
Are you guys ready to say goodbye to shadowdust?
haughty mural
this channel cooks on a daily basis how to improve krangled speels and talents
muted agate
yes
alpine wraith
there are none left
haughty mural
rarely anything gonna happen
vale pine
it feels bad to us
because it has no immidiate benefit
muted agate
played it throughout DF
vale pine
it would feel nicer if you had a big boom
alpine wraith
also tbh i will use tornado to spread ruptures if pack is big enough
vale pine
followed by the storm ticks
fallow nimbus
Aoe strike for a set duration
alpine wraith
it will do more than getting some noodle evis outside of cds
vale pine
Aoe strike for a set duration
would be actually good
strike does a lot of damage
but having 1 strike that hits all targets every dance or so
similar to premed
sounds interessting
haughty mural
better buff frost dk
i think frost dk was long enough in the gutter
sweet summit
dk just needs tapped down a little idc if its the best in game or not
haughty mural
of course you do 
uncut socket
not the biggest fan of tornado
then ur no homie of mine 
uncut socket
but having 1 strike that hits all targets every dance or so
wasnt the season 3 of shadowlands 4p bonus something like that?
muted agate
no
alpine wraith
yes it was kinda cool
alpine wraith
you did a strike to up to 4 targets
uncut socket
that was fun when it decided to go nuts
alpine wraith
i actually didnt like that tier set at all
uncut socket
not so fun when you get everything perceft and blueparsed kekw
vale pine
wasnt the season 3 of shadowlands 4p bonus something like that?
you got delayed strike casts from the tier set
so not entirely the same
but striking on all targets in BP range would be quite big
even without the cp benefits
uncut socket
that would feel outlawy whouldnt it
tribal blade
i really liked the aoe strike, it was a very cool idea
would love to see that implemented into the tree
tribal blade
true that too
keen dome
AoE Strike sounds pretty fun.
tribal blade
it would help fix cleave issues
vale pine
that too
tribal blade
too
vale pine
so maybe too good of an idea
tribal blade
haha!
vale pine
we need a more mediocre or higher friction idea
tribal blade
i think if it was a tier set, it's not too powerful
keen dome
Hell yeah
tribal blade
😦
keen dome
Gotta charge up
tribal blade
make it super cancer, you only get the aoe strike when you proc the first dance
wind canopy
it only works if you spend 12 seconds running crcles in oribos
Why you like this fuu? 
keen dome
make it super cancer, you only get the aoe strike when you proc the first dance
You can do worse.
vale pine
Why you like this fuu? <a:insanecat:1093978367159717991>
trying to be funny ^^
keen dome
AoE strike from true stealth
uncut socket
it could be a sectech rework
keen dome
I'm still hopeful for some bug fixes tonight / tomorrow. I believe. I believe I'll be dissapointed, but I hope..
vale pine
what does SL stand for?
vale pine
stylish lobsters?
keen dome
sad Labrador
wind canopy
stylish lobsters?
Ya
vale pine
is that a new abbreviation for the 🦀 filter?
fallow nimbus
Sub lost
uncut socket
strange lagoons
alpine wraith
it only works if you spend 12 seconds running crcles in oribos
you need to proc 3 first dances then you unlock the aoe strikes
cloud rover
what does SL stand for?
i only know GoL
cloud rover
Good ol'lands
keen dome
It's cool how they made two zones in SL's flashbang you if you are in a darker room.
cloud rover
It's cool how they made two zones in SL's flashbang you if you are in a darker r...
They just want you to turn your lights on
cloud rover
So your eyes dont get hurt when looking into a display without light on
vale pine
haha
uncut socket
It's cool how they made two zones in SL's flashbang you if you are in a darker r...
iirc bastion was way worse the first few weeks than the rest, and the rest was also horrible
keen dome
It was!
tribal blade
there is no way they bring spires back
and if they do, i don't think a single person will be happy
keen dome
Bastion is really bad. I have sensitive eyes (I am a sensitive flower) and Bastion was really bad for me in general. Something about the blueness and brightness.
The only zone in an MMO that has been worse is hoth in SWTOR, which is possibly a crime
wind canopy
Like every dungeon in SL was miserable to some degree
keen dome
Yeah
keen dome
Just use the inky black potion
Yeah, it's really good
keen dome
the SL dungeon pool was very tough
I'd actually like to see them bring back one of the Ravendreth dungeons
Sanguine Depths.
keen dome
Actually yeah Halls was good too
wind canopy
HoA might be the only one worth playing
tribal blade
Sanguine Depths.
noooo not SD again
wind canopy
Fuck SD though
alpine wraith
sanguine depths i didnt like that much
but only because most m+ mods were trash there
baseline it is not that bad
keen dome
My experience of Taszavesh was ruined by bugs on both sides of it 😦
wind canopy
If you say to bring back Spires or SD, you got issues
tribal blade
sanguine depths on higher key levels was so bad
keen dome
I tried to clear it day 1 on launch and it was so buggy for me. We couldn't kill the stupid post boss and I quit soon after. And the final boss is still super weird for soloing so lmao
keen dome
If you say to bring back Spires or SD, you got issues
Absolutely do. Bring SD back
vale pine
https://wago.io/Iy3hIszwW
best weakaura is the one that fixes the teleporting during Killing Spree
so you don't get motion sickness
vale pine
(the weakaura just makes your screen black during Killing spree)
keen dome
lmao
Stonecore M+ when
I am curious about what TWW's mega-dungeon is gonna be, and if it's gonan have more or less RP than DF's.
formal helm
Absolutely do. *Bring SD back*
Okay but sd was fun
keen dome
There's two of us. TWO OF US!
wind canopy
Psychos
honest saddle
then outlaw and assassination are GIGA
would make assassiantion only behind arcane
cloud rover
I think tuning will happen
after the changes are implemented
to see how it performs in real scenarios
vale lagoon
I think tuning will happen
cloud rover
and the conclusion will be
keen dome
I think tuning will happen
keen dome
Nah, we'll get another 35% BP buff
cloud rover
(Dont get ragebaited)
keen dome
But I absolutely agree. I think they'll do this, let it sit for a week, then we'll get some aura buffs. Like, maybe there'll be a load of fixes too that aren't on the PTR or w/e. Maybe! Maaaaybe.
cloud rover
Nah, we'll get another 35% BP buff
you mean a 15% Shuriken Storm buff and 5 more energy cost
keen dome
okay but that sounds bad (now)
brazen steppe
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
keen dome
fixed my response
keen dome
WoD Remix would be really cool
cloud rover
(if it happen)
keen dome
I still think the next is going to be Legion. Although they did say they plan to re-run Pandaria so.. Hm.
I guess it depends on what their goal is for TWW -> MN and if there's going to be a Season 4 funtimes (there's going to be a season 4)
honest saddle
so basically how I am reading this... we play basically the same was as we played old brew with no cdr, and its a 1.5 min rotation. And we just use symbols when we dance yeah?
and we have ER but its supercharger now
and we use on cd?
keen dome
Rerunning Remix pandaria
Imagine if they just keep adding Remix Zones. So the next time it's Pandaria + Legion.
uncut socket
Taszavesh
i had crazy copium back then (prepatch week) and was sure that in 9.1 when sylvanas "destroys" oribos taszavesh would be the new expansion capital, as it was MUCH MUCH more suited to be the capital :/
instead i had to keep running circles for 2 more years
honest saddle
at least dornogal is good
uncut socket
at least dornogal is good
yup, i prefer valdrakken but after oribos i cannot complain.
cloud rover
Imagine if they just keep adding Remix Zones. So the next time it's Pandaria + L...
Pls no
cloud rover
instead i had to keep running circles for 2 more years
But if you think about it
uncut socket
in DF it was so nice because flying felt fast, now they scaled up the mapsize so much its slow again
uncut socket
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mby the real shadowlands was the friends we made along the way
keen dome
Valdrakken and Dornogal have a lot of good idle spots
honest saddle
mby the real shadowlands was the friends we made along the way
I lost all my friends because they quit.
uncut socket
Valdrakken and Dornogal have a lot of good idle spots
it does lack a nice walkable circle
dornogal*
valdrakken had a amazing walkable circle
cloud rover
I lost all my friends because they quit.
If they didnt last through Shadowlands
were they friends at all?
uncut socket
the best part of shadowlands was the 16 hour jpc streams 😦
tribal blade
a buddy of mine did a key with jpc at the start of a tier during SL
and he was like "HE WAS DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE IT WAS INSANE"
tribal blade
jpc etc are blaster
really is
fierce minnow
jpc stands for peak rogue performance
cloud rover
well
So many fotm reroll to sin atm
Im really curious
How many rogues are played atm
fierce minnow
ye sin is the home of fotm atm
cloud rover
Like everyone and their families in my guild
keen dome
I've seen so many rogues around Dornogal, which is a terrible metric but it def feels like a lot of rerollers.
keen dome
Also so many more rogues in keys in general, haha
keen dome
Yeah
uncut socket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfsymjwHBBA iconic video
keen dome
I for one support it because I get to seem like a competent Assa rogue in keys sometimes.
fierce minnow
has an rogue alt now
and most will stop once the first nerf rolls around and honestly i expect a nerf coming to sin soon
dunno why we get 3 buffs in a row
its kinda ridiculous
keen dome
I occasionally see a Sub rogue in a key while looking for one to join. The rare unicorn
brave escarp
Yes. They are the ones who simply forgot to change before q
bronze turret
jpc etc are blaster
Didnt he quit
bronze turret
Well no, few ppl permanently quit wow
vale pine
fair
sinful sluice
does anyone have more then one rogue character
im horde player but damn this transmorg makes me wanna make human rogue
fierce minnow
assassins creed?
fierce minnow
he didn't participate in the wfr this tier
i think he was a helper at some bosses
came in, destroyed the meters and left
sinful sluice
yea
uncut socket
on what char?
fierce minnow
not like he has 800 rogues to pick one from
theres a big diff in time committment between gearing one char to help out and prepare 24 to RWF level 😄
fierce minnow
granite hinge
but sadly aren't a popular class
who know's why
granite hinge
after SL i feel rogue as unaproachable class for new players
i play rogue since ever
vale pine
there are multiples, like:
- Difficult to play/master
- Worse Levening Experience
- Playball to tuning (rogue can be completely irrelevant in a raid, and you can't switch to ranged dps/tank/healer)
- Weak Visuals
- Lack of vision from the dev team
- Bad for solo content
drifting fable
after SL i feel rogue as unaproachable class for new players
for sure
I think SL rogue was really easy to pick up
vale pine
I think SL rogue was really easy to pick up
agree
drifting fable
and it was enjoyable
vale pine
but also
vale pine
even the easy specs on rogue have a lot of stuff to keep track of
compare it to ret
you essentially have 2 or 3 buttons
and it palys itself
drifting fable
ret smashing all their buttons doing 12x our dps
you have to read a 500 page manifesto to play rogue properly
vale pine
on sub/assassiantion you have:
- energy
- combo points
- bleeds
- cooldown management (can't fire and forget)
granite hinge
compared to other classes, it is
vale pine
I must say
wise badger
but I don't think in general it is
keen dome
More unintutitve, def?
alpine wraith
it will make people dizzy in m+
vale pine
and i still work on the apl
alpine wraith
also first dance kekw
alpine wraith
yea hope koji helps us get the first dance # amount toggle
wise badger
I will dust so much anyways. For world content and farming was great
vale pine
(eleem/armin too)
granite hinge
symbols charges
what is this?
wise badger
will miss*
vale pine
what is this?
you have 3 charges of symbols now
umbral inlet
@fuu is the bug with replicating shadows not granting instant CPs from Shadowcraft that it is suggested in ST talents?
granite hinge
i've hoped that with the removal of dust it'll be more easy to play
alpine wraith
rn you might storm and stab in first dance dances
storm in aoe stab in st maybe storm with DS too
to proc witnes
vale pine
@fuu is the bug with replicating shadows not granting instant CPs from Shadowcra...
the bug still exists, but isn't considered
not sure what the question is
umbral inlet
I mean it's unplayable in real scenario
umbral inlet
In DF that was huge problem, maybe it happens less often right now
umbral inlet
but it's annoying af just as refund from CdG
vale pine
can be annoying
umbral inlet
same things it's way too late to react properly while doing mechanics
vale pine
for what its worth, the bug was reported a while ago
vale pine
same things it's way too late to react properly while doing mechanics
i think people will struggle with sub today
the change is massive
and the gameplay less intuitive
easy to under estimate
umbral inlet
isn't that just spend Symbols with every Shd right now? or I do not see something else
I mean on trickster
I do not consider the Deathstalker rn since it is good on 2 fights and it's worse on keys objectively
digital viper
Bring back hemo
alpine wraith
no it is a bit more complicated buyt not much
also DS is sadly not good anywhere after patch
because trickster is close and DS has some bugs that hamper it
vale pine
isn't that just spend Symbols with every Shd right now? or I do not see somethin...
depends on your talent setup
you need to send blank symbols possibly
and blank secrets
(without dance)
umbral inlet
yeah those blank secrets are the optimizations are always weird to have, on keys it happens almost never, but the ST sucks to do it
sly shore
It's also less likely to happen because you change spec to Assassination
umbral inlet
not that obvious atm, looking at the sims, having the spec which smashes ST without losing much on aoe <8 targets, on push it might be nice to have. I concider it also on MDI scenario in small pull dungs where e.g enh was already good at
It may be copium, but requires further testing
zenith vine
8
wise badger
but blank secret is a big oof
In the ST dummy, with the current trickster-brew m+ build, I usually do send a naked sectec after double dance (buffed by symbols, so not really naked but yeah) if things go well. Also, if you track your unseen blade, sometimes you can send coup de grace too, instead of holding for an eternity and spaming BT. You will have both for the next dance.
Again, if thing align properly.
noble patio
naked coup feels so bad
wise badger
Still worth. It's a lot of finisher damage
You just need to make sure you will have it for next dance window
noble patio
fingers crossed the changes wont backfire for me
placid crown
Hello guys, if i understand well, if at the pull i do strike + evis, i will automatically get slicendice buff ?
(considering 11.0.5 changes)
alpine wraith
yes
noble patio
race changing to a dracthyr would be fun
vale pine
Hello guys, if i understand well, if at the pull i do strike + evis, i will auto...
yes
you can basically unbind snd
vale pine
race changing to a dracthyr would be fun
its ~1% behind in dps
but has some nice qol features
noble patio
I'm like 15% behind in dps anyway 😛
noble patio
i'm just bad 
placid crown
Is it frustrating only for me that all the buffs dont end at the same time ?
flag, blade, symbol, dance
placid crown
placid crown
yes as i drew here
placid crown
16
placid crown
1cell = 1sec
vale pine
na
placid crown
it's 11.0.5
vale pine
placid crown
SoD = 10 sec +3sec duration due to strikes
vale pine
its wrongt hen
noble patio
that feels really short for blades
placid crown
1st dance is now 12 seconds right ?
drowsy stone
My God lack of invigorating dust is so ass
vale pine
1st dance is now 12 seconds right ?
symbols is 10 secs
unless you play inev
then it depends
placid crown
if you 6 strikes during symbols, then symbols last 13 sec
placid crown
and 1st dance of a fight is now 12sec
vale pine
if you include inev and the first dance
first dance is kinda interessting
i am not sure if we play it or not
the 6 sec timer feels bad
even if we still probably get enough value to use it
placid crown
so, seeing that 12sec - 13sec - 16sec - 24 sec is levkzbvzebvozbvoizovhz
noble patio
sim says we don't, since it'd only be active in m+
vale pine
sim says we don't, since it'd only be active in m+
for riad we 100% won't
because you get 1 use
over the duration of a fight
thinking about it
we could possibly use it on speedkills
if kill timers are like 1 min
placid crown
if you vanish and do nothing during 6sec, will it consider that you are "off fight" for 6sec then give you +4sec dance ?
noble patio
if you're speedfarming normal or HC. Or for farming old content maybe
vale pine
if you vanish and do nothing during 6sec, will it consider that you are "off fig...
no
only in m+
outside of bossfights
you don't leave combat during a boss
noble patio
you remain in combat in raid, so it wouldn't trigger (unless you're the last/only player)
placid crown
okok
vale pine
even worse
if you stay 3 sec in vanish
you would get stealth
so if the dependeny was stealth, you could trigger it with waiting
but you would never wait
because you lose sooo much auto attacks
(less sht procs)
noble patio
i find the choice for Tornado interesting in m+.. always felt like such a clunky talent to me
vale pine
funnily enough
you use it to spread ruptures as deathstalker
or just use it otuside of cooldowns for a bit mroe cdr
alpine wraith
yea best use is on pull or after cds
vale pine
would only use it during symbols on higher target counts
alpine wraith
so krangled
vale pine
its not that bad
placid crown
you use it to spread ruptures as deathstalker
ooh interesting
vale pine
it just does not work well with shadowcraft
alpine wraith
power lvl of it is quite low
noble patio
then wonder why the sim picked it for trickster m+
vale pine
because it performs better overall
you still have some bigger pulls
so its not a bad talent
noble patio
yeah, i guess easy rupture setup on large pulls too
vale pine
rupture as trickster isn't that good