assassination

[limber lion]

Didn't pot or Sigil on pull

[bleak sky]

want to get even better? get more pis

[kind talon]

Daps have you heard of

[limber lion]

Big brain

[kind talon]

The Chinese CE sellers

[ebon notch]

Yes

[kind talon]

That pilot all of your characters

[bleak sky]

100% uptime PI = rank 1 all bosses ezpz

[limber lion]

KA is super duper op on Anduin if you're looking to cheese stuff next week

[ebon notch]

They single handedly closed CN alliance hof

[kind talon]

It’s actually juicer maneuver

Yeah

Actually hilarious

[limber lion]

KA = more crits = more Vicious Wound procs during intermission

[spice spire]

[bleak sky]

ENERGY

oh wait vicious

TRINKET ABUSING 📈

[kind talon]

If you really want to parse on anduin

Play echoing blades

💀

[bleak sky]

what the fuck

[limber lion]

This was from a Heroic from last week

2m Wound is just dumb

[subtle tundra]

Skill issue

[limber lion]

Single trinket doing 4k dps

[kind talon]

Yep

[spice spire]

Balance

[kind talon]

Meanwhile outlaw

Can only hit

[subtle tundra]

Literally you need your team to not do dps so you can pad 2nd intermission if you want a log

[kind talon]

1 target with the bleed

💀

[bleak sky]

just tab target 4head

[limber lion]

Good thing the sweet prince was dropped off ASP

[gusty mirage]

Unlucky, try to play a better spec next time

[spice spire]

You also need to not be in Timbuktu

[limber lion]

Daps was multiboxing on his alt rogue

Massive gamer

[ebon notch]

I can't wait for everyone in my guild to ask why I'm not doing as much damage as cev

[ebon notch]

:)

[spice spire]

God bless

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

Congrats. You linked an asp chart

Might want to pick a dif statistic there champ

[limber lion]

Just brutally betray me on Rygelon and you'll be smooth sailing

[kind talon]

Asp?

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

All-star points

[kind talon]

Unreal

[gusty mirage]

You’re kidding me right?

[ebon notch]

That one thing you can't see on anduin

[kind talon]

It’s just damage

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29#metric=dps&dataset=75&class=DPS&boss=2537

[kind talon]

99th percentile

All bosses sepulcher

How’s it an asp chart

[ebon notch]

And the other bosses??

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Yeah oxi

It's just a thing

What are we talking about

[gusty mirage]

Do you know what the numbers you post mean?

And don’t say damage

Lmfao

How much damage is that

I’ll wait

[strange python]

You could just try being nice and explaining man

instead of trying to make him feel stupid

[gusty mirage]

Dekai’s shit talked me multiple times to my face. He doesn’t get that treatment

[kind talon]

Lmfao

[strange python]

Oh, wasn't aware of the history

[kind talon]

What does it mean

[strange python]

I felt bad for the guy

[bleak sky]

[kind talon]

Tell me 😈

[ebon notch]

[limber lion]

You beat me on average yesterday

Already gaming

[gusty mirage]

Nah you’re the better player remember? You tell me

[kind talon]

What

[empty hinge]

looking at the 95th percentile for all bosses and it seems kinda cringe that wl has all 3 specs in top 6

[gusty mirage]

Sorry gotta go do my actual job

[kind talon]

…..

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Idk how one boss fucked your entire average

So cringe

Maths sucks

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

Pretty funny

If only it was median and not average

[subtle tundra]

Today I'mma raid on rogue bless up

Last raid of the season

[limber lion]

Last chance to get dagger is vault on wednesday

[ebon notch]

Traitor

[limber lion]

Fingers crossed

[bleak sky]

what kinda name is that

you dont have alpha access do you

[empty hinge]

are u streaming king

[subtle tundra]

No, unfortunately

[empty hinge]

[subtle tundra]

I like to chill

Well maybe I can no microphone

[empty hinge]

i thought u were

all gas no breaks

[subtle tundra]

I'm not tryhard

Last time I was try hard we missed hof

💀

[bleak sky]

no microphone to not get banned on twitch

smart

[spice spire]

Now ur just troll

[empty hinge]

go belf then

[subtle tundra]

At least I'm not try hard dwarf

[kind talon]

W

[ebon notch]

Only irl

[kind talon]

I’m kul tiran irl

[subtle tundra]

I'm literally built like kultiran

Big belly

😫

[ebon notch]

But short

Fuckin gimli over here

[subtle tundra]

Maybe by Finnish standards

[ebon notch]

What

[kind talon]

^ actually me irl

[limber lion]

No peepee

Sadge

[kind talon]

@subtle tundra you’re kultiran too?

[kind talon]

Waistbands exist

[subtle tundra]

I'm not that muscular though (I'm at gym rn so I'm working on it)

[kind talon]

Neither am I

And my belly is bigger

[subtle tundra]

Aren't fins really tall?

[ebon notch]

Yes but what's that got to do with me

[subtle tundra]

You called me dwarf

Smh

[ebon notch]

Do you think I'm Finnish?

@limber lion @burnt latch

I DID IT

I RACE-BENDED

PERKELE

[kind talon]

Germans are taller than fins @subtle tundra

[ebon notch]

I am now a humble finn

I am pale and have agoraphobia

And drink a lot

[kind talon]

….

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

Mad?

[spice spire]

You reinforce cev’s agoraphobia when you raid smh

[kind talon]

Who do we know that’s a Finnish neet with alcoholism

Oh

[ebon notch]

You'd think that until he screams "DAPS YOUR PUMPIIIIING"

[kind talon]

HAHAHAHAHA

Let’s gooooo

[ebon notch]

And then I remember agoraphobia is only in real life

[limber lion]

Followed by "fucking kill yourself"

[kind talon]

My boys have finally made it

[limber lion]

Oh what a colorful interaction

[spice spire]

BRO?!

(He meant keep yourself safe)

[kind talon]

😈

[ebon notch]

He told me half an hour later he was kidding

[limber lion]

In-game of course.

[balmy condor]

I have agreonaphobia

[subtle tundra]

Tox

[spice spire]

God bless

[spice spire]

Damn

Scared of the boy

[balmy condor]

Monster dong

[kind talon]

Scared of the juicer himself

[ebon notch]

@oak sky didn't I tell you you'd scare all the girls away

Go shave or smth

[balmy condor]

PoV I’m the anime girl scared of the tentacles

[kind talon]

@oak sky daps is larping with discord pfps again

[ebon notch]

What

[ebon notch]

Sorry how is this assassination related

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

Clearly a bfa reference

[ebon notch]

(I'm going to regret this)

[kind talon]

Guys which corruptions do I use

[balmy condor]

Lashing tentacles

[kind talon]

I have the tentacle corruption

Wait not that one

That one is on a fist weapon only….

No mutilate sin build?

[balmy condor]

Assassination loves fisting

[kind talon]

Fan of knives only build

[balmy condor]

@trail marsh is your man for that

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

A professional no-mut gamer

[kind talon]

What’s the best weapons for it

[limber lion]

FoK rogue

[kind talon]

Is veinripper viable for assa

[trail marsh]

@balmy condor I am a pioneer

[brave gyro]

hemo build? 🦯

[balmy condor]

Truly a man of the people

[ebon notch]

FoK FoK FoK FoK

[kind talon]

“Mut spec” 🧓

[balmy condor]

Okay grandpa let’s get you back to bed

[kind talon]

I’d FoK you daps

[trail marsh]

Using mutilate

[ebon notch]

Thank u <3

[balmy condor]

Wait

That dent is so much better than my dent

[trail marsh]

I use both

[ebon notch]

Yours is good whisp

[kind talon]

They are both good for sure

[trail marsh]

[ebon notch]

The second one is like someone threw a baseball at him and he hasn't realised it yet

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage yoink this when you wake up thanks

[ebon notch]

1st one is when he realises

[brave gyro]

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

Is that you

[thorny pond]

On ryg is everyone slightly holding MFDs for quasars or just pretending they aren’t real?

[ebon notch]

pretend they arent real

until it lines up

you can delay the mfd between flags if you need to

cause worst case you just hold it

[brave gyro]

yo should Vanish for Assa be called Assassout?

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Triple socketed necklaces in DF

New expac looking 🔥

[thorny pond]

Triple socketed chests again please

[strange python]

Bring back corruption

[thorny pond]

No

[brave gyro]

Bring back regular tuning

[hollow river]

I think it’d be cool to have more gems and bonuses

Add an extra layer of customization to our gear

[gusty mirage]

based

[brave gyro]

reforging was kinda fun

[gusty mirage]

I think it'd be cool if there were microbalancing hotfixes throughout a tier

rather than

3 months

"oh warlock might be doing too much damage, we may have oopsied that 5% aura to destro"

lets nerf it in the last 3 weeks of the season

[brave gyro]

im not a league player, but i always respected their bi-weekly tuning updates

[kind talon]

The funniest thing

[gusty mirage]

neither am I, and I do too

[kind talon]

Imo is that they were gonna do it

But the locks and survs and key community complained so hard that they reverted it

And said they’d do it later

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[brave gyro]

i think the complains were because it came right before MDI and shit

[gusty mirage]

why even nerf it this late

like it was problematic 1 week after the 5% aura buff

that they never reverted

[kind talon]

Yeah for sure

[gusty mirage]

just silly

lmao

[hollow river]

[brave gyro]

most people won't complain as much about nerfs if they new every 2 weeks things are adjusted a bit

[gusty mirage]

I just want to know what they look at

like

what about destro lock with 1 leggo & no tier set said

"yo this needs a buff"

[brave gyro]

5% here, 3% there, instead of 3 times a year: -50%

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile rogue's baseline was and still is dogshit

[hollow river]

[night delta]

as many broken things

[gusty mirage]

it took 3 big buffs to outlaw to make it able to do relevant damage?

[night delta]

theyr were just too shortsighted to see the glaring issue

[gusty mirage]

and it took 3 fucking months to get there?

but destro lock got a 5% aura right out of the gate?

??????????

[brave gyro]

remember when during alpha/beta assa was severely undertuned, and way after the game launched, they got almost a 20% flat buff

[gusty mirage]

I'd be less angry if I knew what metrics they were basing their decision on

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

Fr

[gusty mirage]

only took about 20% in aura buffs & 2 covenant ability reworks to make it playable

then we run into the same shit with outlaw

very cool

[brave gyro]

[gusty mirage]

all through 9.2 ptr

"yo outlaw kinda sucks"

Scarizard: "TRUST THIS TIER SET IS SICK"

Guy: "Yo this tier set doesn't do shit"

Scarizard: "TRUST"

he took all the feedback he got

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

and changed the 2pc for assassination to be useful in aoe

that's the only thing he took away from the hundreds of thousands of words of feedback he got

like

cool

[kind talon]

He changed outlaw 4pc

[gusty mirage]

Sub players: "This tier set isn't very fun"

"Yes it is"

[kind talon]

From resetting bte cd to casting a bte

[gusty mirage]

YUGE

[kind talon]

0% to .5%

Thanks

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure you're very happy with that extra 6% uptime on BTE

83% wasn't enough ig

meanwhile all the other classes get a fuck ton of damage

[hollow river]

Could’ve just made BtE do more damage

[kind talon]

91% last tier on guardian

[hollow river]

And it would’ve been better

[kind talon]

Or

[gusty mirage]

outlaw rogue got.... 6% more uptime on an ability that barely does damage to begin with

cool

[kind talon]

It could have done

Anything else

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[hollow river]

Yeah but forget the extra cast

[gusty mirage]

and he got that feedback

and did nothing with it

lmao

[hollow river]

Just make BtE do 150% more damage

And that’s it

[gusty mirage]

sub tier set is either you proc out your ass and do damage

or you're doing 2k more dps than a tank

[brave gyro]

Side note, watched the new Thor, it wasnt that great but what i wanna point out is that we need daggers like these (NO SPOILER image)

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

Lightning bolt daggers?

[brave gyro]

[gusty mirage]

sub was a spec about maximizing your dance windows

and the tier set literally shit on that so bad

[kind talon]

Yeah sub tier set is awesome I love scarizadd

[gusty mirage]

it should be qualified as scat porn

[kind talon]

Lmaooooo

[brave gyro]

i feel like most daggers in wow have been a bit boring and same-y

[kind talon]

There are some distinct really sick daggers

Like uh

[gusty mirage]

me too, broke out a healer from the kingsmourn group for me early

almost causing us to wipe on anduin

VERY FUN

WOO

[kind talon]

Legion first raid or was it Ulduar?

[brave gyro]

i said most, not all - yes there are good ones, but overall....

[kind talon]

VERY GOOD

Yeah fair

[gusty mirage]

I'M IMMERSED

IMMERSION

[kind talon]

FULL IMMERSION

MULTISTRIKE NINJA LARPING

Check dms rq

[gusty mirage]

every other class gets something that's relevant in aoe (except for outlaw rogue)

meanwhile my 4pc makes me more miserable in cleave aoe

[kind talon]

YES

Very good

[brave gyro]

i kinda want more items similar to Archimonde trinkets - something to spice up the playstyle

[thorny pond]

Feature not a bug

Single target only

[sharp falcon]

all you elite Legion assassination rogues... no reason for asking, just curious, but about how many Kingsbane stacks would you generally build up to by the end of its 14sec duration back then, under good circumstances? just wondering

[shy dust]

@marble hemlock

[marble hemlock]

~25

[limber lion]

A really good stack was 30+, albeit a bit unusual

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, 30+ was rare

[limber lion]

That's when you pog out of your mind

[marble hemlock]

The thing is, you basically had no control over it. Beyond maintaining 100% Envenom uptime during it, it was just a posion proc RNG situation

(those are deadly poison numbers btw, you only hit ~15 stacks when agonizing was still around and the go-to choice for single-target)

[lone junco]

are we tabbing out Bone Spike early in a pull? and do we prio snipe low hps stuff to get the refund?

seems a bit awkward, but not nearly as bad as putting Flag on a mob that dies too quickly.

[gusty mirage]

spread the bleed

is prio #1

[lone junco]

seems like a lot of busy work

[gusty mirage]

welcome to assassination rogue aoe

a lot of busy work

[strange python]

I mean it does a lot of dmg in the right situation

ANd yeah if looking for easy aoe, don't play sin lol

easy meaning easy and/or good

[lone junco]

been playing sub this tier, and black powder is just unreasonable.

[strange python]

Yu're not gonna hit sub numbers no matter how hard you try

[late birch]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpunkySmellyVampireDeIlluminati-h0o74yA0YC67FQNi

[lone junco]

anyway. gg. probably rogue main for next expac.

[gusty mirage]

a lot of people get enjoyment out of that busy work, I personally enjoy it because it makes me feel like I'm being methodical

[lone junco]

I prefer non proc based rotations.

like surgery.

i loathe whackamole styles.

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

I mean the only thing proc'y about sub is the 4p proc which i actually hate

[gusty mirage]

welcome to the eternal struggle of forcing sin in aoe

I gave up on it this patch

but it's honestly the most satisfying gameplay for me in m+

just the 4pc kinda made it more of a hassle than enjoyable for me

[lone junco]

I have some /played from prior expacs. but have been bouncing around a bit.

arms fury sub mainly. playing outlaw in 3s. hoping to ditch warrior and priest for next expac and just go rogue only, pref sin.

[gusty mirage]

hell yeah

idk what it is man, but rogue just hits a special brain chemical or something for me

[lone junco]

mostly was wonder ing if exang or 4p worked with bone spike but since it doesnt have a duration, that would be weird.

[gusty mirage]

it does

[lone junco]

always felt like a symphony conductor

[gusty mirage]

it speeds up the sbs ticks for the duration of vendetta

or at least it should

@spice spire @marble hemlock can you confirm?

[lone junco]

so if you reapply bonespike during vendetta, but after vendetta, will you cancel the double tick rate?

[marble hemlock]

not once have i ever paid attention to whether vendetta speeds up sbs ticks

[spice spire]

It speeds it up as long as you the last spike applied while vendetta was active, but the dot is so damage light, it’s better to just relaunch spikes as it makes sense (extending Kevin or during gemstones)

[lone junco]

sounds good.

i feel silly having 5 charged in ST. so Im just mashing them out.

but Ill figure more out soon. just went Necro today for the first time in like 2yrs?

[spice spire]

Pending what soulbind you have, it’s fine.
marileth > perma extend Kevin
Heirmir > dump during gemstone procs

[brave gyro]

I just remember Kingsbane with its CDR and stuff was flowing very nicely

Also, can we please have toxic blade again? I really hate TB being implemented in Shiv 😦

[marble hemlock]

kingsbane didnt have cdr

[lone junco]

there was a cdr on vendetta with legendary right?

[marble hemlock]

that was a trait

the kingsbane legendary had cdr

but it was rarely played

(even though it was really good)

[lone junco]

i really loved the fat vanish NS Ruptures.

that being said, i was thinking about the Alpha trait with aoe ruptures, and immediately wanted to AoE NS Garrote, into some Vanish AoE NS Ruptures.

made me smile.

[brave gyro]

wasnt it something along the lines of "number of finishers during its duration reduces CD"

or CP spent

[lone junco]

that was just it's scaling mechanic i thought.

its been a bit.

[marble hemlock]

actually nvm, it didnt have cdr either

it just gave energy

[brave gyro]

y'all gaslighting me

it did have CDR fucks xD

[marble hemlock]

we didnt have that until like

late legion tho

[brave gyro]

before tomb

so less than halfway

[lone junco]

wasnt much you could do for that tho right? just rotational stuff with env uptime?

[marble hemlock]

didnt unlock it until halfway through tomb

[brave gyro]

just having enough applications to try syncing it with TB

because that lead to more even

[lone junco]

just want to get back to 25apm. and top ST.

unhh

[marble hemlock]

iirc we didnt sync anything tho, just sent everything on cd

kb was usually around 30-35sec cd, and delaying tb everytime for it wasnt worth

but i might be misremembering

[limber lion]

Got the second portion already covered

[marble hemlock]

nah i just didnt remember cause it never mattered

didnt have any rotational impact

[gusty mirage]

yeah current sin is fast paced

[marble hemlock]

frankly, kingsbane is a very boring cooldown still. its infinitely better than exsang ofc, and still better than shiv/tb

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion the more I think about it, idk how I'm going to go back to afking during vendetta

[lone junco]

i dont do well with the extremely fast spec. Fury is fine in ST, but damn if it doesnt hurt my hands in keys.

[marble hemlock]

but all it did was teach people to watch their envenom uptime and clipping envenom properly - something they should do with or without KB

[gusty mirage]

like I'm trying to imagine the rotation w/o the 4pc right now

and it sounds miserable

[shy dust]

You’re fried

The 4 piece is awful gameplay

[spice spire]

S2g ur gonna be one of the mfs that “misses 4p” after bitching about it all tier

[gusty mirage]

I have a spicier take

[lone junco]

Blood of the Assassin procs into vanish NS vendetta. would be spicy

[gusty mirage]

pre-tier set was also kinda awful gameplay

[brave gyro]

damn, trip down memory lane - when Crimson Vial healed for 30% of ur HP and also gave you DR

[lone junco]

I really didnt hate the "cram really long bleeds into a short overlapping buff window"

[spice spire]

That’s not a spicy take

[gusty mirage]

idk going from swimming in energy

to afking waiting for venomous to tick

seems kinda yikers

[limber lion]

Vendetta just doesn't do anything

You press it and nothing happens for the entire 20s duration

[lone junco]

i dont mind the old man play.

[gusty mirage]

yeah the 4pc makes it do something

[limber lion]

Tier set made it interesting, but without tier set it's omega boring again

[lone junco]

clipping EP and slow stabs.

[spice spire]

Yeah there’s definitely going to be disconnect, just like 8.3 > forward

[gusty mirage]

which is why I think I'll miss it

[limber lion]

But we don't have to worry about it

Because of Deathmark

[gusty mirage]

someone email Ion and tell him to give realz a raise because of deathmark and indiscriminate carnage

right now

[spice spire]

[lone junco]

what is deathmark?

[gusty mirage]

the ability that's replacing vendetta

[balmy condor]

What’s the thing replacing me called

[lone junco]

will be nice to have bleeds be above other stuff.

[gusty mirage]

nothing, you're irreplaceable

[lone junco]

and not ct

[ebon notch]

wait what

are u ok

[gusty mirage]

I just had an epiphany bro

give me 3 days

I'll go back to hating the 4pc

[ebon notch]

are you writing this on the toilet

post shit clarity

[gusty mirage]

no

[balmy condor]

Calm down Alicia Keys

[gusty mirage]

If Jannick has million numbers of fan i am one of them . if Jannick has ten fans i am one of them. if Jannick has only one fan and that is me . if Jannick has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the Jannick, i am against the world.

[spice spire]

If Jannick has million numbers of fan i am one of them . if Jannick has ten fans i am one of them. if Jannick has only one fan and that is me . if Janick has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the Janick, i am against the world.

[balmy condor]

Wow nice dox

Now they know I am one of like

300 million Jannick’s

[gusty mirage]

yeah

but you're the one that matters

[lone junco]

thanks

[bleak sun]

[spice spire]

BASED

[midnight mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

He’s branching out

[midnight mist]

just wanted to see what u guys had in the command, not planning to play sin dont worry

[spice spire]

You had my hopes up

[gusty mirage]

why must you hurt me like this

I played outlaw for lords

play sin for jailer

[midnight mist]

I did a bit at start

[gusty mirage]

okay

good enough for me

[midnight mist]

felt bad

[gusty mirage]

yes I know @spice spire

don't even bro me

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

THE KEKG

BANGER

[spice spire]

I was 100% broing you there

[midnight mist]

well idk p1 bombs kinda boring as sin

[gusty mirage]

p1 kinda boring*

fixed that for you

[spice spire]

^

[midnight mist]

not as outlaw

I mean I dont really like sin st, but I would love to play it in m+

if it did damage u know

[brazen zodiac]

oxi!

[spice spire]

Yeah I won’t argue there, Zac.

Most fun I’ve had in m+

Also 0 dam

[midnight mist]

yeah unfort

I have high hope for df tho

[bleak sky]

it does damage

just needs to ramp

[midnight mist]

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

hi friend

[timid cloud]

My only complaint about SBS is the animation time is a bit too long.

Just got home from work, my lads. I missed y’all.

[spice spire]

Not the bugs

[timid cloud]

Well…we won’t have to worry about that if we aren’t fighting Sylvanas anymore in 10.0

[viscid spear]

Buzz buzz

[gusty mirage]

yeah? that's the only thing?

not the 1cp initial bonespike?

or deathspike's cleave being stupid and not auto applying to something that doesn't have it?

or mastery not affecting sudden fractures?

should I continue?

[timid cloud]

Okay….

[spice spire]

SF

Is a whole other can of worms

[timid cloud]

You got me, my hands are up, officer.

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

I actually wished SBS smart targeted.

[gusty mirage]

I actually wish SBS wasn't a buggy piece of shit

[strange python]

ngl the secondary selection baffles me

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-gif-17971572

Who was the biggest advocate of SBS again?

Seli?

[strange python]

It's a good, fun spell

[violet jackal]

me

[strange python]

It's just a bit wonky sometimes

[timid cloud]

Besides you, do not speak NECROLORD SCUM

[violet jackal]

Bonespike is perfectly fine and doesn't need any change 😎
It is pinnacle of gameplay in multi wave add scenarios

[strange python]

It's nice to not get kicked from ryg pugs

[gusty mirage]

hey king you dropped this:

[timid cloud]

Go ahead & tell me how many fights that is though.

[gusty mirage]

[violet jackal]

3 maybe 4 in sepulcher

[strange python]

and fun to beat ranged on quasar dmg

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

oh no

[timid cloud]

How many bosses in raid?

[gusty mirage]

are your ranged afk?

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[strange python]

pugs are bad man

[timid cloud]

Boomkins & Locks AFK.

[gusty mirage]

if it makes you feel better

@gray crest and I deal with bad warlocks

[timid cloud]

So do I.

[violet jackal]

11 but funny enough people brought necrolord to 2 more of those bosses making it 5/11 bosses

[timid cloud]

Anyone else get a single digit parse 18 kills deep into Sylvanas & use Blood Gems?

[gusty mirage]

quasar damage for our first rygelon kill

?????????????

[timid cloud]

He’s Demo…

[timid cloud]

That’s the first mistake.

[gusty mirage]

my mans lost to crimson tempest

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[gusty mirage]

he can't play destro

he sucks

at destro

[timid cloud]

HUH

[gusty mirage]

IDK BRO

ITS 3 BUTTONS

[timid cloud]

ITS LITERALLY 2 BUTTONS

[ebon notch]

Demo will only do damage to them if he imploded when they're next to it

[gusty mirage]

IDK HOW ANYONE IS BAD AT IT

[balmy condor]

I miss old flag

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

okay so he should beat me on boss damage with his faeries & PI then right?

right?

[timid cloud]

You mean Razor Coral?

2.0?

[ebon notch]

Yes

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I miss red ambush

[ebon notch]

We both know it will never happen

[timid cloud]

Wait hey.

Put some fucking respect on the name.

[balmy condor]

Red ambush and red poison

[timid cloud]

SLAUGHTER POISON

[gusty mirage]

@ebon notch send help

[timid cloud]

Hey, original idea was actually kinda slamming.

Then they made it into Razor Coral 2.0

But dogshit.

Then it became the sweet goodness it is now.

But lowkey, do you really think they needed to nerf the verse?

[balmy condor]

Yes

1% vers flag was crazy

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

Would've made us almost as good as boomies

I wish they would uncap flag

Could make sub viable in keys

[subtle tundra]

TF YOU MEAN COULD MAKE SUB VIABLE

THEY ARE LITERALLY THE 4TH BEST SPEC

AAAAAAAAAA

sorry

did i take the bait

[timid cloud]

[subtle tundra]

i dont even have 3.9k

i havent pushed in so long

[spice spire]

This mf has 3600 io on assassination tho

So based it’s borderline concerning for your mental

[vestal wren]

poor varas

[violet jackal]

I'm pretty sure he did only 2 dungeons as assassination #IsntARealOne

[spice spire]

Nah that’s ramfam

His sin io is higher than yours mister panda 🤨

[violet jackal]

He has friends and I don't

[spice spire]

[violet jackal]

I have JPC levels of ambition to want to do more but can't find people to match that energy 😭

[thorn fjord]

Sin keys just sounds like so much extra work lol

[spice spire]

It’s fun tho

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-smile-awkward-awkward-smile-not-happy-prentending-gif-16094065

[violet jackal]

Maybe I like extra work

cause right now it's DEAD AF at my job

[bleak sky]

gotta pug

it's not that bad I swear

[violet jackal]

oh trust me I have no issue pugging, I have an issue being denied for an hour and my own key being depleted because of sh***ers

[thorn fjord]

Pugging this tier def wasnt as bad as the last two

thats for sure

[violet jackal]

i'm chat suspended this week can't open group finder and queue on such an easy week

[thorn fjord]

oof

what did you do

Next week we gotta complete 8 20+'s for the S4 weak 1 box 😛

[spice spire]

Gamer moment

[violet jackal]

supposedly was abusive chat, then in the ticket it said advertisement, when I posted a group finder trying to find healers for my guilds raid an hour in advance -__-

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

nah nah you dropped a hard r didnt you? 😛

[violet jackal]

never me 😇

[thorn fjord]

jk.. we had a guildy get rekt with advertising ban

[spice spire]

Oh for sure, Ninja screams gamer words

[thorn fjord]

for kind of the same thing

[spice spire]

Wait

[thorn fjord]

we started Jailer Prog Tuesday... Anyone want to make bets on whether or not we get CE? lol

I have faith

[subtle tundra]

sin is fun until you open details

[gusty mirage]

you want me to ban daps?

[subtle tundra]

no, i think you'd end his suffering

[gusty mirage]

true

[timid cloud]

I can’t wait to get a 6 monther again.

Mentally ill rogues back at it again with the problematic tendencies.

[thorn fjord]

redundant statement there

[drowsy crescent]

So I never played Assassination in Legion, but Kingsbane seems similar to a Covenant ability in Shadowlands. Does it fill that kind of role in the rotation?

[ebon notch]

if its not top 3 dps

its not viable

[limber lion]

Not really. Kingsbane gained stacks from poison procs, whereas Flagellation gains stacks from combo points.

But similar concept, kind of

[drowsy crescent]

Gotcha

[thorn fjord]

Kingsbane with Toxic blade was so much fun imo

loved using KB

[fleet whale]

Kingsbane was also a shorter CD than Flag as well

it fit the theme and fantasy of the spec very well imo

[viscid spear]

"Man, those daggers make me sad because they killed my bro. Stop flaunting them."

[fleet whale]

also why the sudden conversation of Kingsbane? Is there any news that it may return in the tree?

[sharp falcon]

assassins thought they funnel be like: but really it be like:

[fleet whale]

I remember in late legion when I was all decked out, i could tunnel as sin in M+ back then

[bleak sky]

[fleet whale]

since we had such high crit levels, or i did at least

[sharp falcon]

an exaggeration but yeah, some... things, they had to be done

[fleet whale]

i remember poison bomb popping off

[limber lion]

Poison Bomb was the worst addition to the game

current pb is so bad that it doesn't really matter, it doesn't do anything anyways

[fleet whale]

It was Casino Royale

[limber lion]

but legion pb was the worst thing in the world

[thorn fjord]

Sin rogue was a God in Antorus

[drowsy crescent]

I like poison bomb, i wish it was better than CT

[fleet whale]

It was kind of fun if you got really lucky on pull, you would deal more dps than every other player combined for like the first 10 seconds lol

[thorn fjord]

I was an RNG lord with PB lol

[limber lion]

God isn't necessarily the word I would use.

[fleet whale]

Idk, i actually really liked antorus sin

felt like a true poison master

[limber lion]

Would have been fine if it wasn't for PB

[fleet whale]

Plus I liked how i could basically run the same build for all forms of content then

[limber lion]

Also procing a PB while tank was kiting or moving adds

fun times

Legion was kite-city in m+

but your PB requires that the mobs stay still

good combo

[thorn fjord]

I missed out on corruption gear shenanigans

[meager granite]

People dont like crurent pb with rng and low impact....
The fact that it is in our Last tale't row is so underwhelming...

[fleet whale]

I do wonder why blizz thought it was a good idea to make Dreadlord's Deceit a sin talent in BFA and SL...

wonder if Realz knows the answer to that

[limber lion]

They added a bunch of Artifact/Legendary effects as talents

like MA

[trail otter]

Sorry if this has been asked a lot. But does shadow dance actually gain the combat benefits from all talents even in the assassination tree? (Master Assassin, Imp Garrote, Nightstalker, etc?)

[limber lion]

and PB

[limber lion]

Yes

[fleet whale]

yes, but why choose dreadlord's deceit

[limber lion]

That's the plan

[fleet whale]

it sucked lol

[trail otter]

I haven't been able to find any streams of assa rogue testing

[limber lion]

The talents are not in the Alpha yet

They are, but they don't work

[trail otter]

Oh yeah a lot of them are NYI

[limber lion]

yah

[fleet whale]

Also, rogues are historically underrepresented in alpha/beta cycles

[meager granite]

To paraphrase Realz it is intended that every thing stealth related works with Sd. However maybe subject to change due to tuning tbd

[trail otter]

It just seems extremely over tuned if everything does work from shadow dance (mostly thinking about arenas)

[meager granite]

Subterfuge wouldnt work tho

Cuz it is "after leavinf stealth"

[fleet whale]

dance as a sin rogue may bring problems in pvp yes

[limber lion]

Tuning is not final, and PvP tuning will be a completely separate thing as well.

No worries.

[trail otter]

Yes I agree, but baseline having dance Assa is just really hard to tune

Especially with Iron Wire

but hey I'll be playing it so shrug

[limber lion]

The cooldown on Dance is pretty lengthy tbf

it's not like Sub where you're 24/7 in dance

[trail otter]

For sure, but as assa your dance is way scarier with 6 second silence. They can't have trinket for every go you have

[limber lion]

but yeah only the abilities that specify "during stealth" work, talents that say "after stealth" don't work

[trail otter]

Well 9 sec silence because u'd just re-up garrote

[bleak sky]

pvp

[trail otter]

I'm gonna raid as assa as well, how's it looking from a PvE perspective?

Worried about being forced off Vigor and just being energy starved

[bleak sky]

we haven't played vigor for a while now

it's been mfd for 2 tiers

[limber lion]

Yeah, we don't play Vigor anyways.

[bleak sky]

did we play DS in CN? I dont remember

[limber lion]

Vigor is just placebo as well, it doesn't really give you as much energy as you think

and neither does haste

[trail otter]

Yes but the talents change our energy gains baseline anyways

[limber lion]

Vigor is a placebo talent

[trail otter]

But I assume we'll get Venomous wounds for free anyways

[meager granite]

Holding bleeds perma on 3 to 4 targets is so much fun we can envenom every 30 to 40 seconds

[limber lion]

the only thing that matters is the higher energy max, because it'll smooth out the opener

but yeh, assa is looking really good so far

looks very fun

[trail otter]

Yeah I love so much that they've done with it

Deathmark looks so fun, but was worried what the energy situation / rotation would look like with it

[oak sky]

Sub funneling damage while we funnel a chemical mixture into an erlenmeyer flask 🤓

[limber lion]

Rotation gonna change drastically

but it's gonna be real fun

don't worry about energy

[oak sky]

We get double garrote and rupture during deathmark i think we're gonna be ok

[trail otter]

Gonna be so sick

🤦‍♂️ I could have read pins. BUT I SWEAR I usually check pins in channels first but they never have what I'm looking for lmao

In most other discords ^

[violet jackal]

I doubt enery will be a problem with venomous wound, dashing scoundrel, and venom rushhhhhhh

[gusty mirage]

tweet at blizzard so we can all get a fancy alpha invite pls

[limber lion]

Oh you guys don't have Alpha access?

[oak sky]

Yo get me in there

[limber lion]

I don't either.

:-)

[gusty mirage]

sorry only handsome rogues like cev get it

[oak sky]

[vestal wren]

so, is that statement lawyer approved? (oxis seal of approval)

[gusty mirage]

:stamp:

why do I not have a stamp emote

[pulsar apex]

ahoy

im simming. I have 4 set and dusk+unity. Venthyr. Deeper Strat is coming out -200 dps than MfD. However im new. I dinged 60 last week.

And my MfD usage is WAY far off perfect

Go Deeper Strat as its likely do be a dps increase due to my (lack of) skill?

For Raid NM and eventually HC.

[spice spire]

You should show the sim just in case!
As for mfd usaGe, best thing to do is to practice it. But first let’s see that sim

(But also in normal and heroic, anything is playable and able to do fine, but mfd venthyr should be the best)

[craggy oak]

no, mfd very straight forward to use in a raid environment, stick with it. very important for your flag windows

[craggy oak]

i had to read it twice, deaper is simming less, but asking if he should use anyways

[spice spire]

Oh

You’re right

Yeah I’d practice, it is fairly straightforward but again( in normal and heroic anything is playable.
But yeah

[pulsar apex]

ok thanks ill stick with MfD.

[spice spire]

Good luck! I’d hit the dummy for a bit

[pulsar apex]

its that flag, finish, mfd, finish, ven thang

but its only been a day of trying

[patent hare]

it wont be baseline just should be higher up in assa tree

what do you pve players not like much about the assa rogue talent tree

[obtuse robin]

fok placement

[patent hare]

how would you fix the problem?

[obtuse robin]

swap it for cttc

[patent hare]

but throwing 2 points into cttc sounds bad to get shiv

doesnt it

[obtuse robin]

vs the alternative? no

[patent hare]

anything else?

[obtuse robin]

ttb and exsang are boring

so is the envenom one

but

pvp i guess

[patent hare]

the envenom duration

is just a bad talent imo

also i dont think exsang has been a good spell like ever

[copper hazel]

it was decent with haste corruptions end of nyalotha

[patent hare]

corruptions

[obtuse robin]

i think sepsis is fine

esp if it has any interaction with other stuff

[patent hare]

esp?

[obtuse robin]

especially

[patent hare]

oooh

but putting points into sepsis when its in the last part

[obtuse robin]

if ur raiding

its gonna be right there anyway

ur gonna take doomblade

depending on tunning

for 1 point

seems fine

[patent hare]

what do you feel about the thing in the pins

[obtuse robin]

not much

bring back ss and king

tea is terrible

unless outlaw maybe

[patent hare]

what do you feel about the rogue tree

for assa

[obtuse robin]

seal fate and tea being there is dog

tea is trash and seal should be moved up or baseline

[proper gulch]

Well I got my first +20 done! But then wasn't allowed to do any more, because "I don't do damage" xD

[oak sky]

Congrats

[patent hare]

wait why doesnt assa go for execute in raid

[proper gulch]

Ty!

[bleak sky]

tentative sample trees

nothing final

tuning tbd

[obtuse robin]

some f ights also like execute

[oak sky]

In the dragonflight tree? Probably mostly because vw being so low doesnt give us much flexibility honestly

[obtuse robin]

so high down *

[oak sky]

Also because its a bleed/poison talent and theres a bunch of mutilate talents right before it

And then theres the fact that its not necessarily a huge gain in st compared to other options, and like minalba said its an unfinished general sample tree

[patent hare]

wouldnt this be better?

[obtuse robin]

yea 3 points else where could just be more dps

[limber lion]

You need to take Amp poison up top

The Raid Buff is placed a bit awkward in the tree where you need to spend 4 points to get it

[patent hare]

oh

[limber lion]

but you pretty much need it in the raid

[patent hare]

nice

[bleak sky]

dance as it stands is really really strong

[obtuse robin]

even if he didnt take those 3 points out maim plus sepsise and opsdmething else

[oak sky]

And then theres ct which is really strong when theres any adds which is really common

[obtuse robin]

prolly more dps

[patent hare]

is 4 poison neccessary?

[oak sky]

Dragon tempered?

[patent hare]

ye

[oak sky]

Yes

1000%

[obtuse robin]

yeah theres ton of synergy

[oak sky]

Dont think anything else you can go would be stronger

Ttb sucks

And any other 1 pointer is pretty much guaranteed to be weaker

[patent hare]

thoughts?

[obtuse robin]

only sticking point is 3 points of dashing is meh

[oak sky]

No cttc in pve is not a thing

[patent hare]

okay the tree for pve

sounds traaaaaaash

[obtuse robin]

?

[limber lion]

you can look at the pins

[obtuse robin]

u also dont have vw

[limber lion]

we have set up trees already

[obtuse robin]

so basiclly u cant play sin

[patent hare]

vw is gonna be moved up

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage

[craggy oak]

I would like to know people's general thoughts on dance being accessible to all specs. Personally, regardless of tuning and how it plays, i am somewhat against dance as sin

[obtuse robin]

sure buit then u need to make ur own tree in paint

cuz the middle wont look like that

[oak sky]

Its weird but it might be interesting boom dance take

[gusty mirage]

what i do

[limber lion]

was it you

[gusty mirage]

who removed your pin?

no

[limber lion]

no

changed my name

[gusty mirage]

no sir

[limber lion]

ok I believe you

[limber lion]

it was the dude with the porn actress name then

[gusty mirage]

I'm "working"

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Settlers

[patent hare]

[spice spire]

Wat

[obtuse robin]

i can see whyspr being a porn actress name

[patent hare]

but if vw is gonna replace the first point in the middle right after deadly poison it would look like that

[spice spire]

I haven’t changed anyone’s name since I fucked with daps once

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

Gargleon when?

[spice spire]

I admit to my yokes

[oak sky]

Vogen and cev love messing with my name

[spice spire]

Idk what your name even was before

[patent hare]

do people theorycraft for pvp here at all or is it just pve

[limber lion]

#pvp

[limber lion]

interesting

[spice spire]

I can fix it if you tell me though

[patent hare]

is that on the topic of assa though

since i think most pvpers go sub or outlaw

[bleak sky]

all specs

[limber lion]

pvp is for everyone

[spice spire]

(You can too; I really just don’t know)

[limber lion]

we don't talk about pvp here

[limber lion]

Nah, someone changed it to No Alpha Ceverion

[spice spire]

Assa is also a top spec in pvp at the moment it’s kind of disgusting

[limber lion]

sussy bakas

all of you

[spice spire]

Oh, yeah, 100000000% wasn’t me. Until I get alpha/beta I can’t clown

[oak sky]

(Never)

(Just like guy)

[spice spire]

He just like me fr

(We’re both on mal’ganis)

[oak sky]

Based

Tichondrienjoyer

[bleak sky]

weirdge realm

[oak sky]

Who knows maybe ill be out someday

[patent hare]

it gets outclassed by sub and outlaw

[gusty mirage]

outclassed by sub?

not really

[craggy oak]

really depends on the comp

rmp, sub, rps sin/law, dk/law super strong atm

[proper gulch]

How is Assassination currently looking on the Alpha?

Is it strong?

[patent hare]

its weird becuase of cttc and the raid cd

[spice spire]

Unimplemented (fully)

[proper gulch]

Hmm alright

Is pugging keys around 20 doable, as Assa rogue?

[ebon notch]

you may get uninvited

once they figure it out

[drifting cloud]

youre gonna get kicked a decent number most likely

[spice spire]

It’s 100% doable

But also you may experience above

[proper gulch]

My guildies don't want to do keys with me because I'm not meta. But I do want to do high keys, so I am trying to think what I could do to be able to at least do those keys

[drifting cloud]

well you already know the easiest answer

im not trying to be rude or anything, I did assa only keys last 2-3 xpacs but this tier is the first time I feel im semi griefing playing it

its so much harder to play in m+ just to still perform the worst of all the 3 specs

[proper gulch]

I guess you're right, so you're suggesting I play Sub instead basically

[drifting cloud]

or outlaw

[proper gulch]

It's just that I find Assa so much more enjoyable really. I kinda feel Sub is boring compared to it

[proper gulch]

I don't have any weapons for that, and it's my least favorite spec of the bunch

[drifting cloud]

understandable, just remember that pugs are gonna pug

even sub players sometimes get kicked for not being outlaw thesedays

so I cant even imagine how it is pugging as assa

[limber lion]

You can easily get 3k score with Assa, so all +20's, but yeah, it can take some time to get into groups xd

[proper gulch]

I find it funny that Outlaw is so high in demand whilst they're target capped iirc

Yeah, I guess you're right

[ebon notch]

the cap doesnt affect them

they still pump

they still have great cc