assassination

[strange python]

not scrolling up

[limber lion]

Actually monkey.

[strange python]

Yeah

[limber lion]

good one buddy.

[strange python]

You should refresh your CT when you need to.

And if there is something more important - you do that.

[limber lion]

[strange python]

I didn't say that you shouldn't use CT if you want to do optimal AOE dmg

Would using a mace over a dagger be a huge DPS loss guys?

Idk if id consider it huge

A new player is likely to fall back to just spamming CT as their filler...as opposed to rupturing and such.

[limber lion]

Which is a good thing

As they should

Because that's more damage

than not pressing CT at all

just like I just showed

in the sim

above

:)

[strange python]

But it's less damage than playing properly - like i said.

I never said what you simmed. Ever

[limber lion]

?

Did you not see what I just simmed

"Ceverion" is playing Properly

[strange python]

you simmed no ct vs no ruptures.

that's silly

[limber lion]

"no ruptures" is simming without any ruptures

[strange python]

right

[limber lion]

"no ct" is simming without pressing CT

?

[strange python]

and that's not optimal play

[limber lion]

Optimal play

[strange python]

you want to rupture and use ct

[limber lion]

is playing with CT

and using rupture

[strange python]

right

[bleak sky]

yes, and that's 41k sim

[strange python]

that's what i said

[limber lion]

but if you were to sacrifice one or the other

like YOU ARE

then you would sacrifice rupture

not ct

[summer adder]

can u show the % gain? if it's around 1.3% it wouldn't be huge

[limber lion]

even if you don't press rupture a single time in your dungeon

[final star]

Some of u assa players never seen this video and it shows 💅

[limber lion]

you'll do more damage by spamming CT

[strange python]

You are greatly misinterpreting what I said...and your sim shows it.

[limber lion]

than you would by spreading rupture

LOL

okay.

[strange python]

You'll do more damage if you played properly.

[bleak sky]

you said it's better to learn without ct

?

[limber lion]

You literally said

"omg if you think it's better to FOK CT FOK CT than to spread ruptures... you're wrong"

[strange python]

Yes - to learn i think that a new player should learn to play without CT.

[limber lion]

those are literally

your words

LMAO

[strange python]

Yes that is correct.

Your sim proves it

[bleak sky]

FOKIN 40K DUD IT'S FOKIN OVA DUD

[strange python]

41k vs 36k

[limber lion]

Yes, my sim proves you wrong

FOK CT is much better than spreading ruptures and not playing CT

[strange python]

Playing properly is 41k...playing with just CT is 36k

That is my point

you don't just want to spam CT

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

Yes

But you literally just said

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

that you shouldn't play ct

okidoki

[strange python]

To learn yes

[final star]

[limber lion]

it's over

Time to stop.

[strange python]

a brand new player should learn to play without it imo

[spice spire]

Okay, this is enough

It’s a bad opinion

[limber lion]

Ghost versus the universe.

[strange python]

shrug

[spice spire]

Move on, mathematically doesn’t check

[summer adder]

make him a community figure

[strange python]

it's not about mathematics

[oak sky]

What is he even arguing at this point

[strange python]

it's about learning how to play

[obtuse robin]

why would u teach a player to learn without the more important skill

[strange python]

So they learn what they should be doing

[limber lion]

Just like telling a Fire Mage to never combust, so they can learn their rotation outside of combust

[obtuse robin]

but it ios what they should be doing

[strange python]

But it's not

[limber lion]

Never press Fel Rush on DH, so you can learn to play with your other skills first

[strange python]

you shou'dnt just spam CT

[obtuse robin]

u think rupture is more core to ct is the problem

not in sl

[spice spire]

Ghost, I’m urging you to please move on. It’s 1 v ??? And you’re going with the “I’m not wrong” method

[grim tangle]

I'm rooting for ghost

I love an underdog

[strange python]

I'll gladly move on, like i've been asking for a while

[summer adder]

link logs to settle the argument best logs wins

[ebon notch]

ghost might have heat stroke in which case we're bullying him

[spice spire]

It’s a bold move, but it’s just a GG get next

[final star]

No it's everyone else

[oak sky]

Thoughts on parrying in m+?

[night delta]

sorry no I'm sitting this one out and watching

[full jungle]

Gross wrinkly pirate things

[limber lion]

10+ people can't convince him he's wrong, multiple sims can't convince him he's wrong. This is just borderline trolling at this point.

[strange python]

I've been called obtuse, i've been told to "rot in my bad gameplay" - I was giving a brand new player a suggestion to learn, that I feel strongly about.

[limber lion]

Anyways, how's everyone's vaults looking like?

[final star]

Doesn't exist, care to follow up @marble hemlock

[strange python]

There is no way to sim how to learn dude.

[limber lion]

Any juicy vaults in NA

[oak sky]

Cant see it until sunday but ill share then

[summer adder]

i recommend starting out with no poisons applied, it will teach u good energy management

[obtuse robin]

no vault just taking tokens for gold

[bleak sky]

I got tokens

[ebon notch]

how much gold does it give

[strange python]

This is just obviously trolling - and my only question is why?

[obtuse robin]

about 3k

[strange python]

Like what is the value of it?

[summer adder]

chill bro it's my opinion

[final star]

💀

[limber lion]

12 tokens banked

[bleak sky]

tokens sadge

[strange python]

It's not your opinion - you're trying to troll and keep a subject going that the moderators have asked us to move on from.

[night delta]

inb4 blizz forgets to clear them for s4

[bleak sky]

I just want some 285 gear you feel me cev?

never seen a single piece

[ebon notch]

:3

[bleak sky]

got my first 278 weapon 2 weeks ago, very depresso

[ebon notch]

me neither bud

[bleak sky]

DO NOT talk to me about gear

DO NOT

[ebon notch]

its weird cause when we talked about the cos ring

[spice spire]

You know what?

[ebon notch]

everyone was having fun

IM GOING TO MAKE YOU SUFFER

[bleak sky]

[obtuse robin]

1st 278 dagger 2 weeks ago

[spice spire]

I hope the heatwave affects only you

[obtuse robin]

ur actually cursed

[spice spire]

For the next month

[bleak sky]

I'm a ringless fuck as well daps

dw

[spice spire]

Maidenless too

[ebon notch]

[bleak sky]

did a whole 2 court of stars

[obtuse robin]

dont worry the ring is only 200 dps very smal lgains

[night delta]

not to worry, next season you'll have 2 dungeon rings to farm

[obtuse robin]

oops wrong reply

ment for mina

lol

[bleak sky]

know what else is 200 dps

me not being shit at sin in raids

[ebon notch]

log reivew time

LINK EM

[final star]

Bit more than that boss

[obtuse robin]

[bleak sky]

bruv

you're insane if you think I have sin logs

[obtuse robin]

u walked right into that one

[oak sky]

Fake

[ebon notch]

ok then

outlaw review time

:3

[bleak sky]

god no

[oak sky]

Why arent you an otp like everyone else bozo

[bleak sky]

reading outlaw logs is painful

[obtuse robin]

id be playing sin on jailer but hook > jailer

[bleak sky]

legitimate pain reading through that shit

[limber lion]

Big true. I got 285 shoulders, but they were a -3 dps loss when I got them compared to the 278 shoulders..

[bleak sky]

if only daps could trade you those juicy 285 daggers

[ebon notch]

are those the ones you traded me

[oak sky]

Cev cant get 285 daggers the universe wouls break

[ebon notch]

i rigged the raid tomorrow so i can sugardaddy cev

lets see how it goes

[limber lion]

Fingers crossed

[bleak sky]

I had really shit sin gear and continued to have shit sin gear

to this day my sin is really far behind sub/outlaw

[night delta]

would've gotten them

gotta acount for placebo

[gusty mirage]

I'll channel my juju to you

cuz I didn't get a 285 dagger

[night delta]

that's why I transmog to red, for the movespeed

[oak sky]

I dont care about gear anymore

I need transmog from my vault

[spice spire]

God bless

[gray crest]

If only we killed rygelon last week, I could've looted the dagger from the vault this week for you oxi

[bleak sky]

blue name

[gusty mirage]

if only our warlocks did damage

and didn't hog PI

[viscid spear]

streamer

[oak sky]

:suske:

[proper gulch]

How does one properly use Bone Spike in M+?

[gusty mirage]

just spread it on anything that doesn't have the bleed

it's good for getting early ruptures up for energy regen as well

you'd gar x4 into CT, then sbs into ruptures

besides that, if you're playing heimir you'd dump extra charges during gemstones

or if you're playing marileth you'd use sbs charges to extend the kevin's oozeling buff

[proper gulch]

Awesome, thanks a ton

[gusty mirage]

❤️

[gray horizon]

Oh my goddddd im finally on Jailer this is so exciting

[gusty mirage]

you got this

[gray horizon]

🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼

[spice spire]

Let badlands guide you brother

[strange python]

282 ilvl with no ryg daggers. Rip

[ebon notch]

you only really need 1

[strange python]

Meh. Don't need either

Tiers over and I'll just use 2x edge

[ebon notch]

first dagger is 250 dps

2nd is 20

so

[strange python]

I also never got a sigil and we're doing sales, so it's not like anyone cares about sepulcher parses in our team

[timid cloud]

What was the highlight of PI on Sin Rogues > Fire Mages for PI targets on The Jailer Mythic?

TLDR or not. I was just trying to retouch the topic, since it was had a few days ago.

[violet jackal]

enchancement, fire mage, warlock, assassination. but if you lawyer it enough you can move yourself to the top of the list

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

[viscid spear]

I'm a menace on my Priest in dungeons. I /roll 3 and PI the respective DPS on my panels.

[proper gulch]

Any good Plater profiles for Assa Rogue? Having a hard time tracking bleeds in M+ with my current one

[timid cloud]

Chaotic energies.

[viscid spear]

No one ever asks

[cursive orchid]

I lead my guild's raid so...

[spice spire]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[proper gulch]

Ty!

[thorn fjord]

Bro im so dumb.. so we were like 80 pulls in on Rygelon and i was targeting the orbs in P2 the ENTIRE time and didnt know to just stay on Ryg

so my deeps were in the fucking toilet

[strange python]

🤣

[thorn fjord]

Until one of my guildies was like dude swap... He said he noticed pull 5 and didnt say shit

[strange python]

The 1's didn't tip you off hahaha

[thorn fjord]

went from second to last deeps to top 3 lol

[strange python]

lol

I think we've all been there (if we didn't read honestly before we did the fight)

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-ooooof-gif-12896777

[strange python]

It's not like a super-intuitive thing really

[timid cloud]

[night delta]

I've made personals weakauras that scream at me if I've been on the wrong target for about a second

if I didn't I would dps orbs and other shit all the time

[novel arrow]

Are there new conduits next season?

Anyone know?

[obtuse robin]

no sl is dead

if u ment higher level we dont know

[gusty mirage]

I mean if I had to guess

unless they remove them from raid

in theory it should be higher?

[ebon notch]

100% CTO chance for outlaw

YUGE

[night delta]

oh gee, will we actually get fully free feint & vial ?

poggers

[gusty mirage]

they'll keep it like 1 or 2 energy or some shit

[vestal wren]

probably not

but iirc information about s4 is supposed to come out soon

[gusty mirage]

yeah kinda weird we've gotten like no info given its 2 weeks away

lol

[vestal wren]

alpha ^^

it seems to drain a lot of resources from them

[spice spire]

100% huge?
Idk man I don’t think it’s that big

[ebon notch]

i mean its 99% rn

and i still sometimes dont get it

like its noticeable

and cringe

[spice spire]

Idk man; we have a difference of what “huge” is I guess

[ebon notch]

fuck

i fell for it

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

@spice spire ディーズナッツ

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

you probably dont get it when vanish break

will happen a lot more than u rolling the 1%

[ebon notch]

nah i mean even outside of vanish breaking

[midnight mist]

well if u only vanish dispatch appart from looking into logs u cant really know if vanish broke or not

[ebon notch]

you can see it no?

if it breaks before your global

[midnight mist]

how?

[ebon notch]

because if your gauche goes off between you pressing vanish and dispatch

your vanish will break

[midnight mist]

yeah, how do u notice that hto

and it can just be a random swing

dont even need a main gauche proc

[ebon notch]

its on my vanish tracker when it breaks

[midnight mist]

whats that

[ebon notch]

like

the weakaura i use for vanish cd

[hollow river]

poggers Dark Brew change in new build?

Dark Brew [NYI] Increases the damage of your weapon poisons by 30%.
Your Rogue abilities that deal Nature or Bleed damage now deal Shadow instead.

[obtuse robin]

thats a sub thing

[loud light]

count the odds and dark brew chat in assassination

confusing times

[obtuse robin]

that would be a indirect nerf to sin

[hollow river]

how lol

[obtuse robin]

cuz u have talents that boost poison and bleed

[hollow river]

ik it's a sub thing just glad stuff is happening

[obtuse robin]

am i thinking bout this wrong

[hollow river]

why would they not just work in conjunction lol

if it were the case

[obtuse robin]

idk cuz blizz

[hollow river]

[obtuse robin]

and sin has all theser wierd whitelist issues

[hollow river]

shiv would just juice shadow damage or some shit

but we're speaking of null stuff atm

[obtuse robin]

that would of been cool with eon tho

yea db b4 was like increased magic dmg by 10 %

zzzzzzz

this new one is more intresting

garrote inehancers incoming

[hollow river]

still no alpha for me

[royal lantern]

Dude, almost nobody has alpha

[obtuse robin]

new wave just went out

[hollow river]

wait n see

[harsh anchor]

On average, how many people do you think would actually give feedback if they had alpha instead of logging into their favorite class/spec to see what's new and log out

[royal lantern]

99%of Player feedback about classes is not really good most if the time

[hollow river]

i mean even a decent number of streamers do just that. they just do it for the content for like a day or i'm sure will do so as more of their alts talents get released etc.

[royal lantern]

Watch a class beeing #1dps during alpha/beta and everyone will say its THE BEST GAMEPLAY EVER!!!!

[hollow river]

smh

[royal lantern]

Then its not #1 cus of tuning with no other changes and suddenly its the worst thing possible

And yeha, for most people alpha/beta means"log in, do some stuff with your class, log out"

[harsh anchor]

I was more so talking of testing of the expansion as a whole not just the classes, but I see what you mean.

[hollow river]

pretty sure they have to take into account every type of player's feedback

casual players, RPers, min-maxers, etc..

[obtuse robin]

now they do , we know for a fact they they ignored feedback during sl testing

like they actually said that

[burnt latch]

Imo they shouldnt listen to anyone who doesnt push high keys (3.4k rio) or raids high end mythic (wr 500 or lower)

[harsh anchor]

Which I mean makes sense if you look at the Rogue Feedback thread on blizz forums and compare that to the feedback that was given here to Realz

[royal lantern]

Not a good take cus thats such a extremly small part of the community

[hollow river]

[royal lantern]

And like, some of the top tier raiders would LOVE an wod like expansion, and that shit would suck for EVERYONE else

[burnt latch]

Yeah but those players play the game the most and are most skillful so they would know whats best for them

[obtuse robin]

ion just said making choices for those players was a mistake

[hollow river]

yeah i get where you're coming from. i for one would like to test stuff and provide feedback if i find anything needing it

[royal lantern]

Dude, toptier raiders dont know whats best for the game lol

[night delta]

What's best for their parses*

[hollow river]

just wanna test dragon flying and classes n stuff

[royal lantern]

They can play extremly well, but toptier players make HORRIBLE game desingers

[obtuse robin]

ION LITERALLY SAID IN AN INTERVIEW THAT WAS A BAD MISTAKE

[burnt latch]

Im high io pusher (3.4k++) and high end raider (top 400 WR) so pretty hc but i think i could design game to be fun for shit player too

[royal lantern]

Last time toptier players had their hands with clss desing, we got MoP warlock

The most broken class in the history of wow

Cus turns out, people just want the stuff they play to be strong, no matter the level they play

[night delta]

and not be a chore to play

[hollow river]

idk whispyr for example provides pretty unbiased spec feedback when it comes to power level

in fact i'd say most cf's here do as well

[royal lantern]

Cus the RH mods tend to actually want stuff to work as intended and balance, meanwhile warlocks hide their shut behind a donation paywall

[burnt latch]

Ye whispyr has the ksm mount week 1 and killed jailer mythical like ofc gotta be good gamer for that

[royal lantern]

Or the sandbaging that sometimes happens

[hollow river]

mythical

[royal lantern]

Should Fuu not be able to provide feedback?

Cus fuu doesnt raid mythic

[hollow river]

yes he does

[royal lantern]

So he is not a "top tier player"

[hollow river]

he just doesn't raid ce or w/e ig

[royal lantern]

Eh, its the"hc guild that does a couple of mythic kills at the end of a tier" Situation

[burnt latch]

Yeah only 3.4k io or higher (key feedback) and top 500 wr for raid feedback

[hollow river]

but to answer your question yes (this was a joke)

[royal lantern]

Im sure most people mean that mythic raider means getting CE

[hollow river]

basically

[night delta]

IMO anyone who gets in even early mythic and parses decently has a fairly good grasp of their spec anyway, no need to cater to the Hall-of-Famers

the top 100 don't get to decide what's fun in their spec for everyone else

[burnt latch]

Not only top 100 also high key pusher so 3.4k io, so spec isnt only good for mystical raid

Also important to be able to do the higher of keys

[midnight mist]

(+19)

[night delta]

you won't see many sin rogues push high keys tho this season :p

[burnt latch]

I know probably need more high io player freedback i know @subtle tundra does the high keys for assa and nobody ask him for opinion

[night delta]

my point is, listening only to the elites for class/spec feedback is a bad idea overall

[burnt latch]

Not elitist just good player

[ebon notch]

yes but @subtle tundra has potato for brain

truly not a mystical player

[burnt latch]

No only mystical raiders also get io player so spec is not like feral hahaha single target only

[remote heath]

listen to all 8 assa players above 3.4k rating

[burnt latch]

Yeah

[gray crest]

Listening to top spec players is a good idea, they typically know whats wrong with a class and what feels wrong/unfun due to playing it as much as they do. Plus they likely would have played the spec long enough to know the different iterations of the spec and what other playstyles were fun to play

[night delta]

though, like everyone, they are biased on what is "fun" to play by their own skill

So listening to them is good, listeining to only them is not

[royal lantern]

Why do people act as if"that guy has top Logs and pushes high keys" means "they love the class and want it to be better and better!"

Most of the time they just reroll cus its op lol

99%of "top tier" survival players never touched survival before this patch at all

[night delta]

If only the top players had their way with how sin is designed, we'd have a spec that turned more frantic, like outlaw

[drowsy crescent]

Yo, just saw this in the taletn tree, but what is "Slaughter Poison"?

[night delta]

which is pretty far from sin's identity

[drowsy crescent]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=323659/slaughter-poison
is this in the game?

[limber lion]

It is the old version of Flagellation.

[royal lantern]

Leftover code

[limber lion]

We had Slaughter Poison instead of Flagellation in Shadowlands pre-patch, but it was changed to Flagellation before release.

[gusty mirage]

hi ur cute

[limber lion]

That's not true at all.

[royal lantern]

Slaughter was such a joke of an ability

[drowsy crescent]

oh i see, ty

[limber lion]

I don't want my spec to be frantic and 150 apm

[limber lion]

hi u 2

[gusty mirage]

I'm with cev

you can want a more interactive spec

[royal lantern]

Hi with cev

But yeha,very high apm and assa should not be a thing imo

Let atleast 1spec be more"slow"

[gusty mirage]

and you don't need it to be high apm for it to be interactive

[royal lantern]

^

In almost all cases, high apm just means"you use filler ability more often" lol

[night delta]

that's not what I meant by frantic tbh

end of BfA sin was pretty much GCD locked

but that wasn't frantic,

what I call frantic is having to make split-second decisions very often

and I agree with oxi, that's also different from being interactive

to me, sin is the "methodical" rogue spec, if you get me

[limber lion]

Many people can agree with you there

even the "top players" that you seem to despise.

[night delta]

nah I don't despise anyone, I was talking from too little of a sample, I'm recent to this server after all

[limber lion]

Fair enough.

Just doesn't seem fair enough to assume what top end players want or don't want. Could be completely different to what the casual players want, or the exact same thing.

But I can tell you that most of us don't want a frantic spec that's gcd locked and with a high apm. We're all very much in favor of a slower, think-ahead, methodical spec. :P

[royal lantern]

I like that assa lets you be a bit more aware of what is Happening

And not go full tunnelvision

[night delta]

that's exactly why it's been my spec of choice for a long time

even through the shitty times like 9.0 lol

[limber lion]

Yeah the very first patch of 9.0 was when I had to take a step back from Assassination

[night delta]

and also why I'm a little bit sour about the current situation ; it's not too bad, but having our AoE finisher as strong in ST feels wierd

[royal lantern]

We dont talk about 9.0

[night delta]

I wasn't accustomed to juggle it too

[royal lantern]

First time i really dropped the spec fully until they fixed Shit&ability

Why is that shit still a thing in DF btw

[craggy oak]

"All generalisations, maybe apart from this one, are false"

However taking a sample pool of tc's/top players, even with the drawbacks like you said, on average would be better, as they have greater understanding of class design and feel.

[night delta]

Again I have nothing against sampling the best players' opinions, just try not to limit it to them

which i've seen argued for in other places

[limber lion]

I agree. I, among many others, have played the spec at a high level for years, pushing it to its limits and I feel like people like that usually have a greater understanding of the class than people who don't do any high-end content with the spec.

You can play the spec at a much lower level without fully utilizing the spec to its fullest potential.

But yeah, I do agree with that as well. It's valuable to have feedback from all sources and not limited to one group of people, for sure.

[obtuse robin]

yea like the guy saying rupture is more important then ct

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

My entire point man

[craggy oak]

This is what open beta is for, not closed alpha, limited spaces in closed alpha would be wasted on the average player.

[burnt latch]

oh btw i was just baiting everyone

im glad it spurred a conversation tho

[craggy oak]

Liar

[night delta]

I mean, he was making bad points and was quite inadequate but, memeing aside, I think I understand what his deeper message was : that overly relying on CT spam will get you far, but not to the top. Hence his opinion of learning how to use the other spells well before organically weaving in CT. I don't agree with the method, but I agreed with the motive

[burnt latch]

the boys got copypasta'd

[obtuse robin]

how can understand it if his point is wrong

anyway

[gusty mirage]

hey I fit both of those categories

[burnt latch]

where alpha code for oxi gamer????

[limber lion]

It is also very typical that people who don't play at a high level, don't have a full understanding of the class/spec in comparison to other specs in the game. It's important to have the knowledge and understanding of the spec, and how it places among the other specs in the game.

[royal lantern]

No Alpha for green names

[gusty mirage]

why must I suffer alongside guy?

[night delta]

very much true ceverion

[royal lantern]

Sorry, you chose to be a CF

[gusty mirage]

I actually didn't

[royal lantern]

Sucks to be you then

[night delta]

"I didn't chose the CF life, the CF life chose me"

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

more than you'll ever know man

[spice spire]

He’s not wrong - in his defense

[night delta]

wasn't attacking, it's just a bit of memeing

[spice spire]

Oh I know

There was nothing aggressive about your words

[gusty mirage]

pog

I got in guys

[night delta]

I'm too much of a gamer, I see defense, I think attack

[spice spire]

But it’s kind of funny because most CFs are actively in search of it, it was literally just like - here you go

Nah

You’re gucci mister Tauren

[gusty mirage]

bro shut up you're not even a dog

p.s. tell george I love him

[spice spire]

(Already did)

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

(He’d love you too)

[subtle tundra]

screw you penis head

[ebon notch]

thats

really rude

@spice spire help

[spice spire]

Be nice varas

[subtle tundra]

what you gonna do

spank me?

no!!! please dont!!!

[gusty mirage]

no bullying varas

[night delta]

here comes the

[gusty mirage]

acceptable targets of bullying: daps & daps

[subtle tundra]

well, i accept a bit of spanker

[ebon notch]

??

[spice spire]

I’m on it

[bronze fox]

I'm trying out Theotar for the first time tonight, is there a tea roll where it's better to just go back Nadja?

[oak sky]

Haste is the best roll, crit is ok but you can just go nadjia with that too

[marble hemlock]

Hope that isn't "end of list"

[ebon notch]

thank u for standing up for me seli

[gusty mirage]

he wasn't

[ebon notch]

suck my ass boomer

smh

[marble hemlock]

what makes you think i did?

[ebon notch]

wishful thinking

[marble hemlock]

"suck my ass" would be sma. not smh.

[ebon notch]

smh was a separate sentence

shaking my head

[marble hemlock]

"shaking my head" isnt a sentence

[ebon notch]

in my opinion it is

[marble hemlock]

well, just like all your opinions, this one is wrong too.

[ebon notch]

nah there was that one opinion you agreed with

something about shiv cd refresh

[marble hemlock]

what makes you think i wasnt just agreeing with a wrong opinion?

[ebon notch]

cause you said you thought the same thing

:<

[marble hemlock]

well yeah. maybe i was wrong too?

[oak sky]

Toxic masculinity at work smh

[ebon notch]

are you ever wrong?

[marble hemlock]

all the time

[strange python]

I'm not on this list?

[obtuse robin]

does mind numbing work on jailer or nah

[echo geyser]

no

[kindred rapids]

Should I just stockpile tokens of merrit at this point?

[gusty mirage]

you hurting for gold at all?

cause if not, and you don't need any sockets

can't hurt

[ebon notch]

Last time they carried over so it's not a bad shout

[gusty mirage]

ye

they could swap it out for an "updated" one but like even if they do

worst case you lose out on a little bit of gold

[kindred rapids]

Some stuff I could socket but feels like it'd be a waste at this point if the tokens are going to be usable in s4

Wish blizz would just tell us so we don't have to guess, lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah if you don't care to socket anything and don't care about the little bit of gold they give

just stack em

got nothing to lose

[kindred rapids]

But yeah if they carried over from last season that seems like a good indication

[gusty mirage]

yep and I spent my last vault on research

because I'm an idiot

[kindred rapids]

Lol

[uneven hamlet]

I'll do dmg now

[oak sky]

Things ill never see for 100 alex

[violet jackal]

same

[ebon notch]

You a sub player?

[uneven hamlet]

I'm playing mostly assa now, sub roullete feels bad

[spare flame]

is it worth swapping to mythic sylv dagger on mythic jailer as assa?

[gusty mirage]

no

[strange python]

I feel like assassination rogue aoe rotation is clunky. Am i to play around 4 pieces with vendetta? I am having trouble deciding when to use Vendetta

[balmy condor]

the trick is accepting that you don't have an aoe rotation

[strange python]

OH

[balmy condor]

you have a single target rotation, and crimson tempest

you want to do aoe? you hit crimson tempest

you already have dots on your main target? guess I need to put dots on other things too idk

[strange python]

Its so beautiful to see that

[balmy condor]

vendetta making my dots run out on my main target? well I gotta refresh that

[strange python]

God anduin intermissions feel bad. Worth sending the second vend/flag even if they'll cut out early?

Thank you whispyr

[balmy condor]

but realisitically, if you just do a single target rotation during vendetta, and then try to put dots on things while maintaining CT outside of vendetta

GG

you played sin in aoe

[balmy condor]

np homie

[oak sky]

Its so sad that the only option is to substitute your like 2 envenoms in vendetta for ruptures

[balmy condor]

wouldn't actually be worth it either, envenom during vendetta is worth more than spreading ruptures on off-targets if you don't need the energy

[unborn python]

we able to link logs for review ?

[violet jackal]

yes but we need a community figure to make a thread for it

[unborn python]

I see

[violet jackal]

you can link and someone might notice and thread it

[spice spire]

I can thread literally right now

[ebon notch]

Wait you're a community figure?

[spice spire]

Somehow

[ebon notch]

:3

[marble hemlock]

yeah none of us are quite sure how it happened

[strange python]

Are y'all getting two CDs on anduin intermission

Mines coming up with 10 seconds to end

[marble hemlock]

you typically do. the more you mutilate and less you fok, the more uptime your 2nd vendetta gets

basically, dont fok unless youre starving energy and need to throw up another rupture

since its a lower energy/gcd ratio

so you get less cdr

the easy solution would be to ask for a single fairy

[strange python]

We're on farm and fairies ain't an option afaik. I don't have cache so it's not like I'll parse, but trying to figure out if ~10 seconds of vend is worth sending there or saving

[violet jackal]

I think it's worth since it's during a damage amp phase

[pure sinew]

So duskwalker just does nothing in aoe right

We just play prio damage?

[oak sky]

Basically, but the damage from doing vendetta is more than our actual aoe rotation so its correct to focus your prio target even if you want to do maximum aoe

[drifting cloud]

😩

[native belfry]

hey guys, is it worth delaying First Sigil on Jailer till the 6-stacks buff?

[fallen ginkgo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[balmy condor]

Yep

[native belfry]

So ideally I use it on 6 stacks on p1 and then with hero?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[native belfry]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

Whispyr why u up

[balmy condor]

because I'm in germany

it's 9:45 am

[strange python]

:o

Seli selling shadow dance propaganda to you?

[subtle tundra]

Eu loser

[balmy condor]

nah but he's probably going to try and convince me that assassination is good in m+ when we meet up in a couple of weeks

[strange python]

WEEKS

[balmy condor]

yeah?

[strange python]

I get anxiety if I'm away from my couch for three days, how are you alive after weeks

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a trip to germany to visit my family

I ain't buying a $2000 plane ticket just for a weekend

[random fossil]

Basiert

[strange python]

That makes sense

[drifting cloud]

When you visiting me whispyr

[strange python]

But have you considered having no relationship with your extended family and only speaking to them for a few hours each year

[balmy condor]

where is you

[drifting cloud]

A few hundred km south

[strange python]

Italy?

[subtle tundra]

Come Romania and we kiss

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

Is your name kevin

[strange python]

Go Ukraine and visit my family

[balmy condor]

I tell mf's im in germany and they all be like "yo just come visit me in insert place 8 hours away

[strange python]

You and I are 8 hours away and you never visit

[drifting cloud]

Hey depending where you are its closer!

[random fossil]

I'm in Germany too will u visit me

Also enjoying the heatwave?

[balmy condor]

feels like home

[drifting cloud]

Great time for a visit

[random fossil]

True

37 degrees in Munich today 😍

[balmy condor]

I show up, it's 35 degrees

I'm like sick

it was 41 degrees at home like a week before I left

[subtle tundra]

It's 18 hours away. No need to be mad

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

Maybe 40 if were lucky soon

[strange python]

In sf?!

[balmy condor]

well I'm not directly in SF

we don't have the sea breeze

I'm south bay

[strange python]

It was 119 at my place. Idk what the fuck that is in real country numbers

[balmy condor]

119?

that's.... really fucking high

[strange python]

Yep.

[balmy condor]

that's 48 degrees

[strange python]

That's the san pornando valley for ya

[random fossil]

That's hot

[marble hemlock]

but you have proper AC and shit dont you

[balmy condor]

no

I have no AC at home

[marble hemlock]

well then this must feel like vacation to you!

[balmy condor]

I don't have AC here either

[marble hemlock]

didnt ask

[subtle tundra]

sucks to suck

[oak sky]

Double no AC L

[silver umbra]

@balmy condor sbay is cool

Hasn't been above 85 really

[balmy condor]

[faint harness]

[subtle tundra]

folyr stacked bois

2nd to last week!!! cant wait to use my bis gear!!

[rigid tartan]

just looked it up, so m+15 end of dungeon itemlevel will be 288

didn't get any 285 myself yet

[burnt latch]

u stole proczcieft's vault

[gusty mirage]

Monk fight after school next to the flag pole?

[slim estuary]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

I'm not showing up. Sorry. My mom cooked lasagna.

[gusty mirage]

You get lasagna and the 285 polearm

Unlucky @burnt latch

[empty hinge]

What are the odds that assa gets toxic blade back as talent and shiv becomes important to press only for the dr poison

[burnt latch]

tf is this

life aint fair

[gusty mirage]

Probably pretty low, I feel like it’d be an either or kinda deal

[subtle tundra]

Probably never. But it seems weird they did that for outlaw and won't for assa. Between the eyes used to be a stun replacing kidney. They changed it

[empty hinge]

[cerulean junco]

Utility tied to main dps ability is cringe

[vestal wren]

vanish bad

[shadow tulip]

At least restless blades reduces cd for outlaw...

[vestal wren]

tbh it is a very old discussion

if vanish should be utility only or not

shiv is in the same boat

[cerulean junco]

Ya but it’s like saying sub rogues can only kidney during symbols of death

Just creates some weird situations

Rather them add the de enrage effects or amplified poisons to poison knife or something

It’s ok it’s not game breaking just something In my opinion could be handled better

[vestal wren]

i think thats a unfair comparison

[cerulean junco]

It’s an analogy not a comparison

[vestal wren]

kidney has a lot of use cases, while both vanish and shiv only have a very small amount of uses

[cerulean junco]

I agree

But it’s like why

Have that barrier

[vestal wren]

probably because there was a design decision taken

and it seems not as problematic overall, ofc it could be better

[cerulean junco]

Yeah

Just a dungeon/quality of life thing

[vestal wren]

in fact i think DF makes some interessting decisions

Legion/Bfa and SL to a degree seemed focused on having less "bloat" in terms of key binds

what i mean with that is have a high amount of abilities instead of some signature ones

just taking subtlety as an example you can get:
garrote, gouge, mfd, er, cold blood, thistle tea, secret tech/tornado, flag, sepsis as new abilities/cooldowns

so, up to 9 new key binds (8 considering you probably had one bind for your covenant ability)

[strange python]

How many new keybinds will we have in DF assuming we play whatever is considered the standard build right now?

I'm probably out of keys

[thorny pond]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vestal wren]

will depend on the talent build

[strange python]

assuming standard...

[vestal wren]

my example is the "worse case" and would mean subtlety could have 8 new keys

but assassination is already playing mfd

and also has already garrote

[dark garnet]

We are looking at 2-3 extra i think

[strange python]

I mean honestly gouge i'm ok with cause i don't think i've ever replaced that keybind anyway

We're losing cov ability/probably not taking it.

[vestal wren]

so it will not be as extreme for the spec

[strange python]

I mean i'm tempted to change to alchemy - and drop engineering, but i've been engineer since 2007

rocket boosts and glider is just part of the class to me

[vestal wren]

i would wait to see how the profession system works

[strange python]

yeah

[vestal wren]

before making any decisions on it

[strange python]

like i miss gouge but - not sure i really even use it except for niche situations in pvp anyway

the # of times i've still tried to gouge a warrior while trying to run away though lol

I still get away without it anyway hah

[midnight mist]

gouge is really good in pve too

its not on the dr

[bleak sky]

Useful in dungeons

Very good

[strange python]

What do you gouge in pvp, and why?

[vestal wren]

i assume a lot of ppl also don't have shiv bound

[strange python]

sorry pve

[vestal wren]

but click it when needed

[bleak sky]

You gouge whatever can't be kicked

[ashen scroll]

Outlaw has a crap ton too. M+ is going to be rough with all the cc u have, especially if you have a bunch of focus binds

[midnight mist]

well every cast that u can stop that wont recast for example

[strange python]

ahh that's interesting

[bleak sky]

And is important to interrupt

[vestal wren]

stuns are powerful "stop" abilities in m+

[gusty mirage]

Gonna need a foot pad for extra binds

[strange python]

and gouge won't dr with stun

[gusty mirage]

[midnight mist]

like fox, the eat thing in top, canalisation aswell

[strange python]

lol ala enhance 9.2 predictions

foot pads

[vestal wren]

need to ask red rogue, he did a video playing rogue with a racing wheel/padals setup

[strange python]

or wait that was ele

I'd switch to a naga or something but i lose so much mobility

just can't do it

got dem small hands

[ashen scroll]

I wanna see if PB works with the new aoe ability sin is getting, probably not, since it could be incredibly broken. But it would be fun to see

[vestal wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRYSaeezIOU

[strange python]

wow could work with a controller setup like ffxiv has

[vestal wren]

there is a good addon called console port

[strange python]

and then right thumb stick could open a circle thing and have like between 6 and 8 "spells" on it in either direction

[hollow river]

Naga is pretty nice and decently easy to get used to

There’s also the Razer Tartarus, it’s an MMO game pad that replaces your keyboard

Has a thumb stick that you can either bind to spells or to move your character

[dark token]

need a foot pedal as a keyboard mod tbh

[thorny pond]

foot pedal is push-to-talk

[night delta]

push to talk is a rigged bluetooth molar, surgically implanted

[spice spire]

Foot pedal is the macro to message the priest “PI me”

[thorny pond]

you have two feet

[spice spire]

One for each priest

(I’m already blocked)

[thorny pond]

shift mod your foot pedals

[spice spire]

That’s for fairies from the priests

[vestal wren]

i used a g305 for a long time, now using a superlight. never used a mmo mouse

[spice spire]

Same here, fuu.
On the last part.
I have some 30 dollar mouse I bought several years ago. 5 buttons, none used except for PTT and auto run

[night delta]

The 7-button naga is perfect for me

all the emergencies are bound there

[ebon notch]

bruh dont recommend razer

that shit garbanzo

[strange python]

If they made a mouse with more buttons, the size of a logitech g203 - i'd get it.

[night delta]

differing experiences man, mine is 6 years old and still works like a charm

[native belfry]

Naga hex v2 works perfectly fine for like 5 yrs now

[balmy condor]

I haven't had issues with razer either

still using my blackwidow from 2013

[vestal wren]

i had issues with my g305, thats why i am on the superlight

[brazen gyro]

razer has some models that have really bad click issues after a year or so but no other multibutton mouse feels as good to me

[vestal wren]

hoping the mouse buttons don't wear out that fast

[brazen gyro]

the wired naga is notorious for it, not sure about the wireless current version. I've had 4 of them do it to me over the years (using it since like 2015) for wow

[gusty mirage]

I use the 12 button panel

and 5 of them are opie binds

[violet jackal]

razer mouses are good, it's synapse that's garbage

[gusty mirage]

razer mice are fine

for about a year and a half

until one of the clicks stops working

[night delta]

oh yeah don't fuck with synapse

[gusty mirage]

tbh all the mouse softwares are ass

[violet jackal]

that usually synapse breaking the functionality of the mouse

[spice spire]

I’ve had a deathadder for like

[brazen gyro]

there are a couple youtube videos that explain the click issue that comes after time. Its a hardware issue, cheap switches with not enough voltage

[gusty mirage]

but synapse is a human rights violation

[spice spire]

9 years now?

0 problems

[gusty mirage]

first gen deathadders were great

then razer got super popular

and released trash quality

[spice spire]

Unlucky

Because the day this mouse dies, I’ll be sad

[night delta]

again, it's not consistent, my 6 years old mouse works perfectly fine

[gusty mirage]

so I bought the super fancy naga this time

if a switch stops clicking

I'm mailing it back to them with a box of my shit

[brazen gyro]

which one do you have

[night delta]

hex v2

[gusty mirage]

https://www.razer.com/gaming-mice/Razer-Naga-Pro/RZ01-03420100-R3U1
If this piece of shit breaks on me I'm going to lose my mind

[thorny pond]

just get logitech bro

[brazen gyro]

its the trinity version that does it

[gusty mirage]

no thanks

[thorny pond]

I fixed my G604

[gusty mirage]

yeah the trinity naga is awful bro

[burnt latch]

I use this

[gusty mirage]

it just breaks like clockwork

[gusty mirage]

I love it so far

[burnt latch]

Bought in 2019, no issues yet

[gusty mirage]

just wish synapse wasn't a piece of shit

[brazen gyro]

is the wireless version of it better?

[night delta]

oh ok then

I was about to suggest "maybe that's a user issue ? innocent look"

[brazen gyro]

the trinity click issue is fixable if you take it apart and clean the contact. they used a cheap contact with low voltage so over time it either wears out or gets grime

[gusty mirage]

wireless is kinda whatever, I rarely unplug it tbh but I got it for the optical switches and the option to go wireless

[night delta]

I'll never trust wireless to not fail me at the most crucial moment

wired all the way

[thorny pond]

Have you tried their huntsman keyboards?

[gusty mirage]

but the pro and the X use the same switches that the huntsman keyboard does

yeah I love the huntsman

I got the v2

[thorny pond]

My mini is great, wish the mice were same quality

[gusty mirage]

the pro feels as high qual as their huntsman keyboard so far

I've had both for about a year

[strange python]

I have had some Logitech wireless mouse for a year that sits on its own charging pad that's been amazing.

[gusty mirage]

but if mmo mice aren't your thing the razer pro is probably too big for you

[thorny pond]

I have am pretty brand agnostic, but I do like the logitech for non-gaming macros and shortcuts too

their interface is much easier to use and profiles work better

[gusty mirage]

the one thing I miss about my logitech mouse

is that extra mouse button it has next to the right click

slap a modifier on there

and suddenly you can do everything from the mouse

[thorny pond]

Oh the OG 600 series

[gusty mirage]

yeye

[thorny pond]

12 buttons + the extra, yea that's sick

[night delta]

if anything, logitech is quite reliable

and that unifying feature 👌

[gusty mirage]

I really really liked my g600

[thorny pond]

I like SS headsets, but razer has my keyboard and the vespula mousepad has lasted me nearly 10 years

[gusty mirage]

just didn't care for the button placement on the sides

so if this naga ever dies on me

right back to the g600

lol

[thorny pond]

lol, I like the 704 hero line now. It's wireless which is whatever, but it's quite precise and the 6 buttons on the thumb feel nice

[gusty mirage]

it's insane how good wireless mice are now

like actually mind blowing compared to back in my teens

[thorny pond]

Absolutely. Bluetooth connections are still trash though

I need to get my rig from behind the wall for better connection to the mouse

[brazen gyro]

its crazy how good wifi has gotten with wifi 6 being out. Wired isnt near as required anymore

[thorny pond]

gaming yes, data transfer no lol

[night delta]

guess that makes me an old timer eh

[gusty mirage]

this one has a 2.4ghz usb dongle for wireless or bluetooth if that's your thing

I haven't bothered with the bluetooth

[thorny pond]

I mean in general

[gusty mirage]

because bluetooth has always been kinda ass

[thorny pond]

I'll use the 2.4 band every time and if it isn't offered, your product isn't that great

[night delta]

bluetooth is better tailored for data exchange than things like mice etc

[thorny pond]

we're due for a new BT protocol soon anyways. It's not very secure and is showing its age

[strange python]

Bluetooth seems to work well for me, when it works.

It's like sometimes, i'll stop using it for 10 seconds and it'll take a second before it picks back up...

Next thing you know, I've walked off a cliff or something

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's the issue with bluetooth is it needs constant data to keep up

[strange python]

Iv'e f'd with ALL the settings (sleep, etc)

[gusty mirage]

if there's ever a lull the time it takes to pick back up is kinda sus

[strange python]

Went back to using a USB dongle

[night delta]

it's not protocoled well for on-demand peripherals

[strange python]

I mean i love it on my mac or just for work

[gusty mirage]

yeah I discovered that with bluetooth in my old car infotainment

[strange python]

Oh yeah music plays great over bluetooth

[gusty mirage]

the quality was absolute dogshit for the first couple of seconds

[strange python]

They say that the feed is better if you actually plug it in though

[gusty mirage]

and then bam instantly high def quality

lmao

[strange python]

If I'm on a LONG trip, i'll plug my phone in and use apple carplay

otherwise, just bluetooth is fine

[gusty mirage]

dude apple carplay is a pos too

[strange python]

Nothing routes me around sh*t better than siri

[gusty mirage]

sometimes it decides to just not work

like ????

[strange python]

I guess it depends on the implementation

I never have issues in my current car or my old one.

[spice spire]

Apple CarPlay has always been pain for@me

[night delta]

also known as the elusive "Printer Protocol"

[spice spire]

But I vastly prefer Bluetooth

[strange python]

Well don't the newest vehicles all support carplay and AA over wireless anyway (i think they actually use wifi though)

[gusty mirage]

yeah

but the problem is all the auto makers' infotainment systems

are trash tier

except like BMWs

[strange python]

yeah i know for sure

[gusty mirage]

but BMW wants to charge you for it now

[strange python]

that's why i like carplay (or aa) cause they just get updated at night while you sleep.

new road put in yesterday - it's probably there already hah

in-car nav had me driving over the ocean when i went to the national harbor in baltimore

[gusty mirage]

dude a friend decided to rent a bmw for a road trip

and their own nav tried getting me to drive over a bridge that was under construction

I was like damn dude sick

[strange python]

Now days cars read road signs too

wonder if they'd pick that up

[gusty mirage]

it's crazy how far technology has advanced

automatic cruise control adjustment

lane assist technology

just crazy

[strange python]

yeah that still scares me

my car will keep me in my lane

but sometimes, on back roads, it's sketch

[gusty mirage]

I turned that shit off

[strange python]

I leave it on cause one time i veered off the road and almost couldn't ge tback on lol

in my old car

[gusty mirage]

yeah I only turn it on for long trips

[strange python]

cause like the side of the road was like 5 inches up

yeah that's smart - on the highway i've never had a problem

except when you almost miss your exit

and you try to take it ... and it's like fighting you

The roads will be safer once every car out there has that (or the majority of them)

[gusty mirage]

it'll be weird to see most cars have auto pilot in like 20-30 years

[strange python]

yeah

Dude

does it ever concern you that some vandal will like paint lines toward a barrier when you have that feature enabled on the highway?

[gusty mirage]

probably, but I hope to god technology advances beyond just a camera looking for a straight line

lol

[strange python]

lol

[brazen zodiac]

oxi!

[gray horizon]

ok i have a really stupid question but i can't find the answer to it, or at least not a good one

where tf do i get a 278 well placed steel? Outside of KSH

[gray crest]

Clear the raid on mythic or get gladiator

[gray horizon]

was hoping to have it to help clear raid 🙂 my only upgrades right now are really from conduits lol

sad but it's all i can find

[thorny pond]

Yea that one is not a drop it appears

[gray horizon]

i missed all prog up until halondrus so i cant grab the other ones til we clear

sadge

[thorny pond]

i just came back to rogue after healing this tier, so I feel you. Been playing catchup

[spice spire]

Monk?

[thorny pond]

Si senor

Feels really bad being a parse junkie orange/100 monk then being super bad rogue again

[gusty mirage]

[gray horizon]

would you consider simming jailer as "heavy movement"?

or just standard patchwork

[thorny pond]

just use patchwerk and DSlice

[kindred rapids]

jailer's like a 99% uptime fight, lol

unless you get mced

then it's like 98%

to clarify pretty sure heavy movement just adds downtime. Movement alone doesn't affect us if we can stay on boss.

[hollow river]

Best mmo mouse IMO

[ebon notch]

its the one brand for mice that ive heard consistent problems with

in my own experiences and others

im glad it works for others

[earnest remnant]

i use Razer mmo mouse for wow, and ive only had to change it once (broke it myself) so cant really complain from my side, but ive also heard alot of people have had issues with them

[ebon notch]

the software is also a pain in the ass

[earnest remnant]

used the software once to changed the keybinds on the mouse, havent opened it since

[gusty mirage]

all softwares are trash

[gusty mirage]

ye I opened it once to change the dpi settings & some binds and never touched it again

[gray crest]

Logitech ghub seemed fine. I still use a naga though

[strange python]

plus with ghub and a blue yeti - you can make your voice a demon

[gray crest]

I've been meaning to mess with my keybinding to play with a g502 mouse but I haven't gotten around to it

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m on my second one, last one just randomly stopped working. I’ll admit that. But feel and usability are the best I’ve found so far. And the software isn’t that bad compared to a lot of others tbh

[gusty mirage]

someone ask a question so I don't have to work today

[icy shoal]

what do you guys think about the assassination tree for DF?

[gray crest]

Oxi, when will jet let us have PI?

[icy shoal]

the left side(shiv side) seems a little boring compared to aoe garrote/rupture on the right side for me

[gusty mirage]

Never

[gusty mirage]

for a first draft it's looking really really good. I know realz is working on moving some stuff around and looking into putting in a choice node for ttb

[spice spire]

Why are you such a busta?

The actual question is: the tree looks great, but is there something left off that you wish were there?

[gusty mirage]

because you won't send me any of those oatmeal bars you make

[spice spire]

If they didn’t have egg whites, I would

[gusty mirage]

drive them up????

[spice spire]

I ain’t refrigerating a package

Ong?

[gray crest]

I kinda wish sin had some kind of advancing bleed mechanic like sub did in WoD

[gusty mirage]

yeah we can meet in like Dayton or some shit

idk

[icy shoal]

my only wish so far is that its not going to be a right side = aoe and left side = single target

[gusty mirage]

left side is more aoe than right side ironically

it has CT & the 2 FoK talents

so it's a bit balanced in that regard

but I trust in realz

he plays/played a rogue

[icy shoal]

ngl there are some really, really cool interactions between the spec and the class tree for both assassination and outlaw(the two i've checked out so far). Seems like they did a great job

[gusty mirage]

yeah you can tell that someone who's experienced our pain is designing this stuff

[icy shoal]

i noticed the rogue talents doesnt seem to have any of the talents where you pick 1/2 though?

[gusty mirage]

you mean like a choice node or you just take 1 out of the 2 talent points allocated?

[icy shoal]

choice node yer

[gusty mirage]

we might end up getting them in the spec trees I believe

I could be wrong

I don't want to speak on behalf of the man doing them

but I do know that TTB being a choice node between TTB/Kingsbane was talked about

[icy shoal]

yeah ofc - cool

[gusty mirage]

we're in a weird spot where choice nodes would be rare anyway