assassination

[main solar]

The idea to make poison bomb apply a poison dot debuff instead of just damage while standing in it sounds like the perfect fix to me. Could also add some extra synergy with Lethal Dose depending on how they change that to tune it down from being incredibly OP

[meager granite]

Also, global question I have, what would be the impact of cutting 1 point in cut to the chase, and putting in doomblade (which is quite strong in its current status)? We would have to sometimes press SnD again instead of an envenom but since it could not be that high on damage. (this would also make a +2% overall damage due to lethal dose)

[balmy condor]

if it counts for lethal dose, sure

[lucid birch]

Love rogue theorycrafting

[meager granite]

confirmed as well as changes on lethal doses as we all expected

[balmy condor]

ye

so will just have to see

[bleak sky]

I miss the #1 priest theorycrafter dasnow1

[lucid birch]

Nothing to theorycraft class sucks

Do not bring

[meager granite]

Hard to fathom assa without sealed fate, I'm scared that the spec gets even slower to play

[strange python]

sigil > cache?

[main solar]

Things will definitely change and be moved around. I feel like its kind of pointless to try and figure out optimal builds damage wise, but more to look at specific talents and figure out their value, if it needs some changes, or should be moved somewhere else in the tree.

Seal Fate for one feels like a staple for assassination is a bit too low in the tree imo. Or perhaps the problem is that the capstone thistle tea is.... meh to put it lightly compared others talents that force you to spend too many talents elsewhere

[toxic locust]

a thistle tea buff would be great

i think seal fate and FW are both great but thistle tea vs dance is just not a choice

[main solar]

also the lack of being able to jump between sides of the tree, since you literally have to go alllllll the way down one side of the tree for their last 3 talents

[toxic locust]

if tea was buffed then we could also maybe get "sinlaw" and "sinsub" builds

like sublaw and subsin

[storm onyx]

I was surprised to see Sealfate that low in tree; considering how spec revolves around it and it is baseline

[main solar]

Not a fan of mfd being a forced playstyle just for going down the sub path. Cheat death also feels in a shitty spot. Cold Blood is kinda of boring and can probably take some looking at to make it worth taking up a keybind slot. I can honestly see Vigor or Deeper Stratagem being made a choice node somehow. ER is meh for assassination, but maybe a better choice for the other specs? If so, nothing wrong with that, not EVERY talent in the tree has to be appealing to every spec as long as they have other equally appealing options. Aside from that, and the seal fate/thistle tea stuff mentioned above, the general tree feels pretty good to me.

[storm onyx]

just read, in Cata; SealFate was at tier 7; then moved up to tier 4 for more access

[toxic locust]

i think realz said swapping mfd and cold blood was likely

and maybe adding choice nodes to them

[storm onyx]

PvPers will cry

rightly so tho

[main solar]

just adding my feedback mostly. I doubt mfd will be completely removed, but it should absolutely be moved somewhere to make it feel more like an option than forced to take it for cheat, FW, or shadow dance.

[storm onyx]

yea, would like it to be an option also

[toxic locust]

they're good spots for choice nodes

[storm onyx]

I am not sure I like choices a lot; they limit play possibilities

[toxic locust]

i'm pretty sure their intent is exactly the opposite of that

[storm onyx]

I would prefer an off branch like CT is for example

[toxic locust]

either works

[oak sky]

they want certain things to be choices

[storm onyx]

A choice node automatically blocks either of the talent. it limits possibitities

[toxic locust]

for what's gonna happen to sin spec tree: VW buffed to 7-8 and replacing stealth poisons, shrouded suffocation likely taking it's spot, kingsbane maybe becoming a choice node with TTB, SBS maybe choice with sepsis

[storm onyx]

It makes them accessable at set tier depth yea, i understand that part

[main solar]

A choice node could work if the choices fit. I'm not directly for or against it. Like I said, Vigor and DS could be a good choice node. Im not sure I'd agree for mfd being a choice node. Its equivalent in the tree is cold blood and I feel like that's hardly even a choice numerically. If they found a compelling choice to mirror it, sure. If not, an off branch seems a better fit.

[storm onyx]

Free 5 CP is far superior to a 100% crit on DD attack tho

Dev said he may consider Coldblood to cover dots

[toxic locust]

also MFD and cold blood wouldn't be a choice between each other

it'd be MFD on sin side vs something else, and cold blood on sub side vs something else

[storm onyx]

aha

[toxic locust]

definitely makes the sin side more appealing

[storm onyx]

interesting how ColdBlood is originally an Assa talent, and how ppl swear its Sub )

[main solar]

thats seems weird to me thematically

[toxic locust]

it fits sub's big finishers and amps

meanwhile sin gets marked for death and deathmark

cold blood also was a sub pvp talent for a while

[storm onyx]

I sometimes miss the old Assasination; before devs swapped the specs dmg profiles, guess my affinity is a bit nostalgic

[main solar]

dragonflight looks like it'll make assassination pretty interesting with some of the new tools and synergies. Interested in seeing how all the talents settle down and what kind of playstyles we can have. Just as long as we don't have a repeat of this current raid tier lol.

[toxic locust]

it looks pretty close to being the ideal version of modern sin

[storm onyx]

This tier was obvious tell tale they need more raid difficulties; or the old 'Hard Mode' choices i guess

[oak sky]

what

you think they should make lfr easier?

[storm onyx]

no

isnt it already toned down twice?

[oak sky]

I dont understand what you were trying to say

like

the raid difficulties are fine

[main solar]

I personally just hate snapshotting stuff. Also, anytime crimson tempest becomes a ST gain. Honestly feel like it should just be kept to being an AoE thing, or if its going to have some ST gain, it should be lower down in the tree.

[oak sky]

its pretty easy to make ct not an st gain

you just make envenom good

[storm onyx]

General critisizm about this tier was that it was tuned for extra high-end raiders; and they needed to nerf the bosses how many times to render it accessable to majority. I was suggesting they should bring back the "Hard Mode' Boss choices for that target instead of releasing high end difficulty and toning it down gradually maybe. So more guild would be able to advance early in time

[main solar]

could give doomblade back its envenom buff per bleed portion, but then its be way over valued of a point for where it is

[oak sky]

well

dashing is back

and theres that envenom poison talent

which obviously could be better

ttk in the same row

[storm onyx]

I am not a fan of getting CT for st either; but not sure it will be that way with 4set+Obedience gone

[oak sky]

its not unlikely that we take it in raid since as a 1 point gain it might be better than a lot of pure st talents when we have fights with adds

[main solar]

Also depends on how they adjust lethal dose

[storm onyx]

it becomes a choice then; as you stated if we take it for adds

[main solar]

if it counts towards it, could definitely see it still being used

[gloomy knoll]

dashing makes ct worse in st

by itself

[oak sky]

but yeah think about it this way ct is off to the side so it competes with every single talent in the tree in a way

[balmy condor]

It's a staple but I'm actually unconvinced that it's a requirement. I think we have enough tools to deal without, @storm onyx too since you were talking about it, sorry just catching up

[storm onyx]

LethalDOse will change; maybe they will limit it to Garrote+Rupture only? There are ways to tone it down other than lowering the prcentage gain

[oak sky]

so if any point at the end of one of our roads is weaker than ct we take ct

[toxic locust]

ct is one of those things that i never want to aoe without and i never want to st with

[oak sky]

uh

bad take

[storm onyx]

Hey; thanks

[oak sky]

its a great aoe button imo

super thematic to sin

[balmy condor]

that's what he said

[oak sky]

dot good

im blind

[storm onyx]

But yea; it will get slower; inevitably. Maybe at start of expansion

[oak sky]

my bad bro good take

[main solar]

I enjoy CT in M+, but it just feel pretty bad to use in ST.

[toxic locust]

ct aoe good st bad

[fast nacelle]

I want ss azerite trait back for m+

[toxic locust]

good news!

[oak sky]

Maybege

[toxic locust]

for what's gonna happen to sin spec tree: VW buffed to 7-8 and replacing stealth poisons, shrouded suffocation likely taking it's spot, kingsbane maybe becoming a choice node with TTB, SBS maybe choice with sepsis
here

[fast nacelle]

what is this

[toxic locust]

tl;dr of stuff realz talked about

[balmy condor]

the tldr of 2 hours of realz talked about today

[toxic locust]

(that's the rogue tree dev)

[fast nacelle]

Oh cool

Wow good stuff

[gloomy knoll]

sin just straight up best spec in the game now

with those changes

and by best i mean coolest

[toxic locust]

i don't even know what to complain about after those things are done

[hollow river]

POGG

[gloomy knoll]

literally perfect

[toxic locust]

there's like, the shiv stuff and tea being weak

who fucking cares at that point

[gloomy knoll]

i don't even know what to add same unless it's just like

[balmy condor]

yeah and the best TC as well for sure (not biased) [I look at myself in the mirror sexually]

[gloomy knoll]

some broken ass shit

lmao

like

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

dude i heavily fucked with whispyr's mockup

[gloomy knoll]

mockup?

[oak sky]

with the pb points

1 point zold

kingsbane

HEAVILY

[gloomy knoll]

i'm cool with zoldicks being a 3 point investment

it's a pretty powerful ability

[fast nacelle]

okay so we do have a dev for rogues now?

[toxic locust]

yup

[fast nacelle]

it was kinda sus that we got our stuff done so quick

[toxic locust]

realz is the dev for rogue and dh

[fast nacelle]

compared to other expansions

[toxic locust]

he's quite talkative

[hollow river]

scarizard was also pretty talkative

[bleak sky]

we had one for rogue tier sets as well

[gloomy knoll]

he was also kind of a dick

[fast nacelle]

i only liked assa tier set tbh

[gloomy knoll]

[bleak sky]

sin tier was bad

[fast nacelle]

i mean it was the only "cool" one

[bleak sky]

sub tier was shit

[hollow river]

lol nah

[bleak sky]

outlaw tier also bad

[gloomy knoll]

i mean sin tiers ok

its just the builds that came out of it and the fights not being st

[oak sky]

i mean im just generally saying whispyrs idea was sick theres always flexibility

[gloomy knoll]

kind of make it suck

[storm onyx]

Zoldcyk is a hit/miss power; It loses power considerably as the last 30% time is compressed

[fast nacelle]

compared to ol and sub assa was at least engaging
you got the aoe amp and the snapshotting

[gloomy knoll]

zoldyck is just good

[fast nacelle]

ppl calling it shit is ppl who couldnt handle it in progression

[gloomy knoll]

especially in aoe

and having an execute is huge for any raid encounter

[gloomy knoll]

ah fair

[hollow river]

no

[fast nacelle]

thats nice to hear - whats kinda funny though:
i always tell people that legion - sl has so many good stuff that it doesnt even need innovation for good class design
and now it seems like they just bring all "good" traits conduits lego and shit from these expansion and call it a day
which is pretty cool

[bleak sky]

I'm sorry for not enjoying the tier set I guess?

[gloomy knoll]

what

[bleak sky]

[gloomy knoll]

whoever says you don't need good class / spec design

at any point

for anything

is just dumb

lol

that's literally the main point of the game

[hollow river]

sin tier for many became clunky especially with mfd CT on ST

[gloomy knoll]

class / spec design > content design > other shit

[toxic locust]

honestly why i didn't really enjoy the start of legion

until legendaries and artifact weapons got goin

[gloomy knoll]

once they did

zooweemama

funnest shit ever

[fast nacelle]

did i miss spell smth
df looks like it just sums up all "good" traits n stuff from the past expansions

[toxic locust]

yea

[gloomy knoll]

yea so that = good class design

[fast nacelle]

so you dont need to create new stuff

[harsh anchor]

The faster my bleeds tick, the bigger of an erection I get

[toxic locust]

it's pretty much "borrowed power best of" with a bit of old stuff thrown in

[fast nacelle]

yeah which is fine for me

bc often you got the "good power" from legion.. combined with a good azerite trait and stuff

[toxic locust]

rogues get a nice mix of both class identity and spec identity

[fast nacelle]

however im wondering how they wanna go from there in further expansions

also who thought tiny toxic blade is a good last tier talent

did anyone in existence of wow build this lego

[gloomy knoll]

every1 in this channel whining about ttb

[toxic locust]

you know the tree's good when that's the biggest issue

[gloomy knoll]

like you don't got the greatest iteration of this spec ever seen

[fast nacelle]

oh i wont complain..

[gloomy knoll]

it needs to be absolutely 100% perfect or no deal

[oak sky]

"dont even need new stuff"

carnage

[gloomy knoll]

death mark

[toxic locust]

deathmark

[bleak sky]

deathmark

[gloomy knoll]

ma working with stealth/dance

cb snapshotting dots

[bleak sky]

lethal dose: insane

[toxic locust]

ma working with dance

[gusty mirage]

esra go back to OT

[gloomy knoll]

double poisons

[gusty mirage]

[gloomy knoll]

new poisons

lol

[oak sky]

perma crit rupture

[gloomy knoll]

hey i'm enjoying the new content dopamine

[gusty mirage]

you're clean bro

[toxic locust]

and don't forget

[gusty mirage]

just enjoy being clean from this shit show

[fast nacelle]

waiting for the shadow dance garrote m+ build

[toxic locust]

cold blood

[gloomy knoll]

lmaoooo

[gusty mirage]

no relapses

[gloomy knoll]

oh i'm not playing df

regardless of how amazing sin looks

i got irl shit to fix/work on before wows even an option

[fast nacelle]

bro you can fix your rl after df

[gloomy knoll]

no thanks

[toxic locust]

i'm fully expecting 11.0 to add some fucked up new shit that completely breaks sin

and then 10.0 will be people's nostalgia xpac for sin

[gloomy knoll]

besides last patch is usually the funnest anyways

[toxic locust]

when the spec was literally perfect

[gloomy knoll]

tho it wasn't for this xpac

[fast nacelle]

wow would be the best game in the world if you only play last 6 months of an expansion

[bleak sky]

11.0? bruv

[fast nacelle]

the rest is kinda starving

[lucid birch]

ill be a father in 11.0

to minalbas children

were adopting

[bleak sky]

im putting a baby in you

[strange python]

How parse on anduin without cache

[balmy condor]

don't

[strange python]

Rip

I only have phial and shadowgrasp

[bleak sky]

unlucko

[dark token]

Always burn out by then lmao

[lucid birch]

i usually enjoy the start of expansions

lot of activity

[storm onyx]

@balmy condor Hi; were there anything mentioned about how Lethal Dose would be toned down? Limiting to interact with certain bleeds and lethal poisons only would be a way. Also if excluded it would free us from picking CT for ST as well. At the moment we have 5 bleeds in the tree with CT.

I know Dev wants majorty of talents to work with eachother but

still it goes up to 16% ?

Tho Deathmark is 2 min cd, so without CT it would be 3 bleeds

[balmy condor]

Tentative Interactions with 10.0 Talents:
Shadow Dance:

• Works with all "in stealth" talents (including improve garrote/master assassin)
• Does NOT work with "after stealth" mechanics such as subterfuge

Lethal Dose:

• Works with all effects including Doomblade/SBS/Kingsbane

Deathmark:

• Fully replaces Vendetta, Vendetta does not exist
• "Duplicates" Adds another instance of each garrote/rupture/lethal, meaning the target will have 2 garrotes for example
• Dots are duplicated on press, as well as any reapplied. Unsure about how overhangs and snapshotting works with this.
• Cold blood should apply to both instances, as do things like improved garrotes

Carnage:

• Applies buffed bleeds (improved stealth garrotes, cold blood, etc)

Other random mentioned things:

• Cold Blood should work with bleeds
• Tea could be buffed with an additional effect
• Tiny Toxic Blade is staying
• Envenom Buffing effect is not out of the question

I want to extend a thanks from the entire community to the developer for being so open to feedback and taking time out of his day to speak about the trees. Also this is all still pre-alpha/early alpha, everything here can change, these are simply thoughts and ideas getting mentioned.

[balmy condor]

we don't know how he's nerfing it

[blazing totem]

that’s some good news! thank you daddy

[dire schooner]

Hell yea. I can’t wait to apply buffed garrotes and ruptures in 3 different ways in big pulls with stealth vanish and shadow dance 🙂

[fathom swift]

do you know if deathmark duplicates current dots or ones applied after deathmark?

[balmy condor]

both

[fathom swift]

👍

[storm onyx]

Thanks; wondering how much of our dmg profile they want to be dependent on it. Guess if they are going to nerf it; they don't want a low base output profile, neat

[blazing totem]

to be honest I never really cared about Kingsbane, looking forward to Shrouded and possibly SBS

[dire schooner]

Snapshotting bleeds with death mark?

[balmy condor]

do not know

[dire schooner]

Ooooh. I look forward to finding that out

[hollow river]

if carnage applies next bleeds to all targets, what are we gonna press whispyr

[balmy condor]

envenom

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

no like unironically, envenom and poison bang

[hollow river]

yeah i know

so we might actually have slight funnel

but it's looking like we will have good aoe for sure 🙂

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-avengers-hawkeye-clint-barton-dont-give-me-hope-gif-15254733

[hollow river]

i am one with the hopium atm

[balmy condor]

also CT still happens

[hollow river]

yeah

i wonder if zoldycks would be better on the aoe side of the tree

or a middle node you can get from either side

[oak sky]

i think middle node you can get from either side is kinda the move

feels like we should have it in aoe and have it in st or as an option in st

[hollow river]

yeah

[oak sky]

tbh im picturing that on an add heavy fight with an execute requirement

[hollow river]

doomblade and sepsis being on the aoe side of the tree is a bit eh

[balmy condor]

yeh realz said he like zold being the execute with blindside

on that side

and I'm like aight

I guess

[hollow river]

hmm

[oak sky]

not an awful idea

i just feel like we should always have access to it for aoe

[balmy condor]

he sees zold as an execute tool, not an aoe tool

and I think he's kinda right honestly

[oak sky]

guess so

[balmy condor]

I don't think zold is actually that great for aoe

but instead we just have never had anything good

so zold is what we're left with

[oak sky]

it does naturally scale for aoe

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

since all our aoe is bleed and poisons

[balmy condor]

yeh

also a good point

we'll see how strong it really is

[oak sky]

smaller % of damage as fok mut and envenom means closer to the actual 30%

[hollow river]

atm i don't think we can get Carnage and Zold at once

[oak sky]

we can

think its just bad

[hollow river]

yeah

can't get qatar or flying blades then maybe you get zold?

[balmy condor]

I'm ready for sims

[oak sky]

bro im

so excited

🙂

lmk if i can help you out in any way

doing some light sim work sounds fun

[hollow river]

nvm you'd just leave off katar

[oak sky]

not like apl or anything

but you know

if you need anything

[balmy condor]

yuh

I'll let you know

[oak sky]

awesome

always happy to do anything to make the spec sick

[hollow river]

so hidden blades is actually just dead

yay

[oak sky]

yeah

@hollow river just a quick mockup

damn man im really gonna miss iron wiree

[hollow river]

yeah i checked it out

leave off katar though

we'll need the node where stealth poisons is atm

[oak sky]

ye

im sure a few things can change

[hollow river]

katar/flying daggers will actually be a good choice, dungeon dependent

[strange python]

I cant wait to see how blizz fucks it all up

[oak sky]

yeah you can drop flying sometimes for sure

[hollow river]

actually you just take katar>flying daggers always right now

read the tooltips a bit more closely lol

but for big target counts could grab flying maybe

[hollow river]

lets not

[oak sky]

nah flying like

if its like a full cleave dungeon

and you pull 3 mobs and shit

you would just drop it i think

[hollow river]

Yeah

I wonder if carnage would be a drop in that case as well

[oak sky]

kinda doubt but maybe

if sbs comes back

you could go that

you never drop ct

yeah so

i would definitely like to either see the left fully committed to execute style shit

or some cleave spread around

cleave is cool

[hollow river]

My biggest hope is that we can get better at target swapping

[oak sky]

eh

dot classes are naturally worse at that

[hollow river]

Like in raid with adds like on Sausage

[oak sky]

thats mostly the tier set talking tho

[hollow river]

Yeah but with like Cold Blood/Exsang

Could be some decent swap damage there

[oak sky]

or just burst then generally speaking

[hollow river]

Kinda, but without committing your full 2 min unless you actually need to

[oak sky]

kingsbane sepsis build

[hollow river]

Like pantheon adds, you could send 2min on big ones like that if you had to still, as it is now

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

Our swap damage is fine when we have enough time to get everything rolling on the target

[oak sky]

as it should be

[hollow river]

But adds that have to die within a few second of spawning we are trash at

[oak sky]

thats called not having burst and being a dot spec

[true pelican]

isn't that the point of a dot spec?

if you want target swap you can play sub or outlaw

[oak sky]

covering every single weakness of the spec would be a design flaw

[hollow river]

A lot of raid leaders don’t seem to care

[hollow river]

Not if theres meaningful choice to make it happen

[oak sky]

the only fight where that wouldve giga mattered without this tier set is rygelon

[hollow river]

Ye

I mean technically sausage too

But yea

[oak sky]

nah

sausage you can get full dots rolling

it has enough hp for that

[hollow river]

Rygelon just aids as there’s 6 adds coming in sets so you’re screwed there as assa no matter what kek

[oak sky]

which is fine

[hollow river]

Not the way we did it

We were aiming to kill them before they ever spawned a single set of puddles

[oak sky]

well

with mfd it was usually like a 4-5 global commitment

not too bad if you ask me

[hollow river]

Yeah just wasn’t enough damage when it came down to it, for my experience at least

[oak sky]

i mean

yeah

[hollow river]

Played sub and topped dam on most of the adds instead. Assa didn’t really do a third of the damage to em

But yeah

[oak sky]

its not like youre gonna get full value out of your dots if something needs to die fast

[hollow river]

What I’m bringing up is kinda arbitrary

Just sucks for the one tricks the most

[oak sky]

strength of an actual class with strong dots is doing damage outside cds

there do have to be some tradeoffs

keep in mind that other classes are doing 0 to the boss while they hit the add

and in the right case we gain funnel from adds that die slower

[storm onyx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[craggy nimbus]

I have Unity on bracers now but I finally got a 278 helm from vault just now. Would it be worth to change unity to shoulders (where I have 259 right now) pure statwise? I couldn't find if you can do that comparison on raidbots or not.

[balmy condor]

at the top of top gear, there's a set of buttons that allow you to add legendaries

you can use that to compare legendary set ups

hit the green button

and you can see it adds unity

[craggy nimbus]

Hrm, alright, I must be blind then. Thanks for the help!

[balmy condor]

np

[brave gyro]

Whispyr, my friend said he loves your discord pic and loves the way you write guides, just wanted to let you know

[balmy condor]

tell your friend they're cute

[brave gyro]

ill screenshot it and make their day

[craggy nimbus]

Ah now I see. I have to remake the new 278 helm to set item first then compare the unity shoulders compared to everything else I have. Can't add set items like you can legendaries

[slow needle]

You can.

See that + button? Click that.

[craggy nimbus]

On the Top Gear page?

Christ

I'll just see myself out

Cya

[slow needle]

To be fair. If you don't follow the dev updates and don't randomly click new things in the UI to see what they do it is rather easy to miss.

I missed any update that mentioned it but I have a bad habit of pressings buttons and going "Ooooo what does this do?"

[craggy nimbus]

Thanks for taking pity on me but no need^^

[balmy condor]

Nah but for real end of expansion simming is always a mess

[craggy nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[balmy condor]

Best tip I have is literally to just sim more

[meager granite]

Out of my head, hé also mentionned

Cold blood intended to work with all the bleeds ticks
Tea probably changed/different effects
Shrouded suffocation was only the CP and not the damage part or did I miss something ?
TTB likely to stay with maybe different tuning/effects

[slow needle]

Why did they have to nerf ticking sack. I'm stuck using a 262 flayedwing and its an almost 200 dps downgrade to get a 278 sack

[balmy condor]

Good points

[meager granite]

Cold blood improved garotte with death mark into dance with exsang
That juicy bleed burst man

[spice spire]

[meager granite]

I said exsang, whispyr is getting ptsd

My bad

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-cat-gif-18770750

[spice spire]

He literally pukes uncontrollably any time the forbidden talent is mentioned

Something something pavlov’s exsanguinate

[slow needle]

Out of interest Whispyr. What would you change about Exsang so you didn't feel like exsanguinating yourself each time someone mentions it?

[balmy condor]

no haste snapshot

that's it

that's all I care about

[meager granite]

Random question. Did realz shared gis thoughts about the fact that the shadow dance tree is so strong currently that Any spec wants it (it also has cheat death in it...) making the rogue tree quite similar for all spec?

[craggy nimbus]

Meh, my new combo of items is just a 126 dps increase

[meager granite]

And the 45 sec cd

[craggy nimbus]

But that ilvl increase is nice I guess :>

[meager granite]

Which doesnt align with our cd

[craggy nimbus]

but my 255 ilvl OH is screaming bloody murder along with my 278 Flayedwing that needs a replacement

[slow needle]

I ran 8 mists yesterday to try and replace my daggers and didn't see one drop 😦

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[balmy condor]

He said something along the lines of balancing later, intent now

[meager granite]

I would rather they make it stronger and 1 min or à bit weaker and 30sec si that i dont feel like missing one every 2 mins

[craggy oak]

why do you dislike haste snapshot?

[craggy nimbus]

Although I haven't really played my rogue much this season, I haven't seen any dagger drop apart from my 278 in vault. Rng at it's finest!

[slow needle]

It would be nice to have at least 1 other class have agi daggers on their loot table. No other spec has only themselves who can loot their weapon type.

(Their only weapon type before people say glaives for DH.)

[craggy nimbus]

Oh, you wanna hear a rng horrorstory?
Since the LAUNCH of SL I have been running countless Mists for the int/haste trinket on my holy paladin, haven't seen it drop once. Then I randomly do a 15 on my resto druid and I get it, first time. Then I get a 278 in the vault the same week and another the next week aswell - all on my druid and not my paladin. Still no trinket on her yet :>

[timid cloud]

Just simply do more.

[balmy condor]

Because it’s an unintuitive mechanic for players and leads to a number of curious interactions like with flag right now where you want to vendetta slightly into it, creating a very rigid sequence of actions you need to take to fully play around the snapshot

It’s just not feasible for a player to look at exsanguinate and play around it without the help of an external source

[timid cloud]

That’s also why Exsang is buns.

We ain’t never touching NYA haste again, so fuck that talent, let it stay dead.

[balmy condor]

And on top of that, you might be like “well the snapshot stuff is clearly explained in guides etc, I don’t have a problem with it”

But the fact that you’re in this channel talking already puts you at like the top 2% of the community

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

There is a VAST ocean of players who either lurk in here and do nothing, or aren’t even in here

Majority of the community doesn’t do higher than a +5

So do you expect those guys to understand haste snapshots?

[timid cloud]

Weekly no leavers don’t be a dick learning group 5’s

[balmy condor]

With 0 in game explanation

[timid cloud]

Talents chats have Whispyr hitting diffy.

[spice spire]

The low no leavers are wholesome tho

[timid cloud]

Leveling my new Warrior through M+, I’ve seen some shit the past few days….

[craggy oak]

but, having a mechanic, such as a snapshot, as unintuitive as it is. do you think that is inherently a bad thing? giving you the ability to showcase your skill, maybe if it was explained better in the game you would see less of a problem with it? personally i do like mechanics that you can leverage such as snapshot, if you play them correctly.

[timid cloud]

Yes.

[craggy oak]

but in regards to sin, i have only played it since 8.3, so i have only played, snapshot bleeds, and boring vanish envenom builds, so i don't have any other playstyles to compare to.

[timid cloud]

Because it is hella extra & not needed.

[craggy oak]

and out of the two, snapshot is the more engaging, imo.

[timid cloud]

Haste Snapping? What’s next? Want the hit caps back? The expertise? It’s just outdated ish.

[meager granite]

But would snapshot mecanic existing have Any effet on their playstyle or daily activities. Doubt it

[slow needle]

It would kinda have to though. If Blizz fully embraced snapshotting again (which I don't think is unreasonable considering if they're okay to fully embrace it with rogue then they would with others) then how do they tune bosses? Do they tune them to be a challenge for those who don't ever snapshot correctly because they don't know what it is, for the group of players that do it perfectly, or somewhere in between?

Any but the first one suddenly increases the difficulty of content for players who don't understand.

Even if its just for rogues, having large gaps between the top performers and the bottom performers makes it difficult to balance the class in a way that feels fair.

There is something satisfying about lining everything up perfectly to execute a really big cd window. I think there are better ways of doing it than unexplained (in game at least) mechanics like snapshotting.

[balmy condor]

^

[meager granite]

Whispyr would a change to exsang to something like not affecting bleeds duration but doubling the tick rate would be something more appealing to you ? With no haste snappshotting.

The spell would then have the effet of a small damage window with bleed damage and energy regen.
Cooldown could be changed for balancing

[balmy condor]

Yes

That would be more appealing to me

[meager granite]

That sounds like deathmark with extra steps...

Thinking more about it

[balmy condor]

I love Deathmark

[meager granite]

Yeah me too

Is your exsang issue also about the fact that duration of bleeds are cut in half ?

[balmy condor]

No that’s fine

I personally don’t even mind playing it all that much

I just have a deep seated hatred for mechanics that the game does not explain and requires people to go looking for externally

I think that’s a just a failure in game design to have something like that

[cursive summit]

I think changing how Exsang works to doubling tick rate and leaving the duration unchanged would make it super good

[craggy oak]

I can see the dislike from that perspective

in terms of play, i think it's great, again not played a bleed-focused build that has not been centered around snapshotting

[cursive summit]

I'm looking forward to trying out a SD, stealth poison, DTB build

[balmy condor]

In my opinion, it’s fine to go looking for a guide on how to play optimally right, like if you understand the class but you’re like “oh exsang is 45 second and Deathmark is 2 minutes, should I hold for 2:15 then or do I hold exsang to a minute” or “when is it okay to hold shiv”

That sort of stuff

I’m perfectly fine with

[copper hazel]

poe would like to have a word with you there

[balmy condor]

But when you have like “I have no fucking clue how this ability works”

That’s an issue

[cursive summit]

Games really should be explaining mechanics better in the game

[deft flicker]

Roll the Bones moment

[balmy condor]

I actually think poe explains it’s mechanics fairly well. Each weird thing like “fortify” has a small explanation in related tooltips, and there generally isn’t really anything that is an exception to a rule. If you’re self-poisoning, you can easily follow the logic of “my hits poison -> poisons you inflict are reflected back to you -> while you are poisoned, X”

There’s a difference between “I don’t know what this does” and “this is really confusing”

[copper hazel]

yeh true, when you break it down it does make more sense

[balmy condor]

Confusing implies a lack of mastery, but the knowledge is available

Not knowing is simply the lack of knowledge

[dark garnet]

Ok guys, new ttb:
Shiv applies a poison dealing Nature damage over 10 sec. Each time your lethal poisons apply to the target the damage is increased by 15%

[cursive summit]

thats basically kingsbane

[balmy condor]

No I’m pretty sure that is actually just kingsbane

Near verbatim

Ye

It’s word for word

[dark garnet]

Thats the joke

[oak sky]

the ttb we wanted

[balmy condor]

We have ttb at home agreon

[balmy condor]

It’s hard to tell if you’re joking or just a dent brain, the yellow name swings hard in both directions

[blazing totem]

ok that’s the best case scenario, linking it to shiv

that is pog

[cursive summit]

can we stop putting so much power into shiv

[meager granite]

Kingsbane with double lethal seems like meme potential

[blazing totem]

although part of me wishes it was still a utility spell

[cursive summit]

it is very meme potential

[dark garnet]

Ppl were so hype about kingsbane and hate ttb

[meager granite]

TTB is not fun at all and would change 0 thing in the gameplay

[balmy condor]

Realz said combining the utility and damage is considered a success

[meager granite]

Ofc we dont like it

[cursive summit]

Is it?

[balmy condor]

According to blizzard apparently

[dark garnet]

Just make double lethal + kings impossible

[cursive summit]

Didn't they remove the healing from Feral Spirits because they didn't like it as an offensive AND defensive CD?

[meager granite]

How do you feel about holding shiv to disnerage ?

[balmy condor]

That was the conversation yeah

[balmy condor]

And the stun from between the eyes

[cursive summit]

????????????????????????????

[dark garnet]

From what realz said i understood it as too many buttons being seperate

[balmy condor]

Between the eyes on outlaw was also kidney shot

[meager granite]

More button is not an issue especially for something that you would not press that often

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean part of me understands

[cursive summit]

Its so weird that they changed those abilities because of the exact reason that Shiv gets hate and think that Shiv is a success

[balmy condor]

But another part of me says “okay but we just lost some buttons”

[dark garnet]

And with df you get dance mfd and cb

And more possibly

Like aoe garrote rupture

Tea kek

Or, could make the double poison talent combine two poisons, creating a single super poison

So you proc as if there was only one, but get both effects

[cursive summit]

Whispyr suggested putting Kingsbane where ttb is and then making it so you couldn't reach both Kingsbane and dragon tempered

Which is a good idea

cuz Kingsbane + dtb would be insane

[dark garnet]

Ye i like that as well

And having two capstones need eachother is bad imo

Ofc its cool with synergy, but gotta be a choice of what combo you go with, not just a single busted one

But would combining shiv and kingsbane be a good idea? Would have to be weaker cause of shorter cd, but saves a button

[cursive summit]

replacing shiv entirely with kingsbane is probably fine

sorry, child got a hold of my laptop

[vestal wren]

nice spreadsheet @balmy condor

[echo geyser]

!whispyr

[limber lion]

lol

[vestal wren]

its in his pin

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

!pinspyr

[hybrid vale]

I didn’t know people had pins…that would make it easier to know stuff about ppl b4 making assumptions

Where is this

[vestal wren]

i think you are in the wrong channel

#pvp <- is that way

[gusty mirage]

[hybrid vale]

Hmm

[ebon notch]

MAKE THISTLE TEA ADRENALINE RUSH BUT FOR ASSA

[arctic hare]

Lol

[earnest remnant]

[ebon notch]

SILENCE SUB PLAYER

[empty hinge]

You’re blue as well daps

[earnest remnant]

gonna tell koru to flame you more

[icy agate]

ye just sip over time

[ebon notch]

ok mr Dragonflight of Azeroth enjoyer

[cursive summit]

Wouldn't making it adren rush also make it adren rush for everyone?

[ebon notch]

too much brain usage

stop

[ebon notch]

pls no

[deft flicker]

Adrenaline Rush gives +60% energy regen (so +6 energy/s) for 20 seconds (for a total of 120 energy per button) and is on a 3min cooldown. Thistle tea gives you 300 energy over the course of those 3 minutes and you choose when you get the energy (so no fear of wasting it due to overcapping) and you get it in chunks you can use at once (instead of just "waiting faster")

Thistle tea > Adrenaline

[marble hemlock]

[ebon notch]

thats a lot of reading

[earnest remnant]

[dark garnet]

Replace tea with crack, draining cp until empty making you vomit poison in a cone

[ebon notch]

NOW THIS

I CAN GET BEHIND

[icy agate]

"3min cooldown" lol

[dark garnet]

Breath 2.0

[earnest remnant]

did he just skip over the fact that it also lowers gcd?

[copper hazel]

thistle curry, on consuming the thistle curry, you explode from your rectum with poisonous gas, dealing xx% nature dmg to target over xx seconds

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch

[earnest remnant]

got the jailer fist today

[ebon notch]

20 dps increase

how is this dagger in offhand a 20 dps increase

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

im fuming

[limber lion]

On a spec you don't even play

[ebon notch]

im goin for rank 1 outlaw first leave me alone

[limber lion]

Good luck beating @midnight mist when he starts reclearing

[burnt latch]

@keen mantle gg might aswell give up

[midnight mist]

im starting reclearing today

[burnt latch]

daps comin for u

[midnight mist]

I dont think I have a totem anymore tho

lol

[ebon notch]

i dropped 4 places since NA reclear

not too bad

[limber lion]

@ebon notch gg's in the chat

[burnt latch]

i played without totem and monk buff yesterday

[midnight mist]

I think casual is clapping us all

[deft flicker]

TL;DR: tea is a better adrenaline

[burnt latch]

that was great

[burnt latch]

this

[ebon notch]

nah he cant clap us if his game is lagging too hard

we have a small window to beat him

[deft flicker]

But having thistle crack on the opposite side is a hilarious idea

[limber lion]

Threatening to DDOS him

Interesting

[burnt latch]

unethical af daps

[ebon notch]

nono he started laggingo n his own

on god frfr

[limber lion]

Sure he did

[ebon notch]

wasnt me

oops

[burnt latch]

im sorry to break it to u

u aint catching him in 2 weeks

[ebon notch]

if thats ur mental then fine

it aint mine

[burnt latch]

[midnight mist]

is casual rank 1 right now ?

[burnt latch]

rank 2

[ebon notch]

im so glad anduin got removed from all stars

[midnight mist]

who is 1

[ebon notch]

i cant fucking play that boss with my padding guildies

[burnt latch]

some china man

[midnight mist]

ah but they cheating

always 5 buffs

[ebon notch]

bruh did you hear the new bug they abused

[burnt latch]

KEKL

[ebon notch]

they buffed their pets with torghast powers

and brought them into the raid

[gusty mirage]

why do you hate me

[ebon notch]

had their pet doing 20k dps

[midnight mist]

ah yeah the wl thing

[gusty mirage]

wtf did I ever do to you

[bold heron]

thats a lot of damage

[burnt latch]

dont worry oxi i love u

[ebon notch]

bm hunter

[gusty mirage]

raid?

what about the 34 mists done in 22 minutes?

[midnight mist]

I tought they were doing it with demo

[ebon notch]

ye that was a vibe also

[ebon notch]

i heard hunter

[gusty mirage]

daps an exploit enjoyer

[ebon notch]

🤷‍♂️

[gusty mirage]

smh

[ebon notch]

bruh

stop damaging what little credibility i have left

[gusty mirage]

reporting you to the police

[burnt latch]

smh this china guy is a first boss merchant

aint got nothing on casual

[gusty mirage]

how many externals

hit me with it

[ebon notch]

look at my last vg kill

no monk buff and everyoen trying to pad so hard

they dont actually hit anything

[gusty mirage]

not even a r1 parse

you're washed

[ebon notch]

ik

i can only get rank 1 on desausage

[earnest remnant]

lost to sub rogue

[burnt latch]

[burnt latch]

based

[ebon notch]

no monk buff

add 5%

[gusty mirage]

yeah but your tier set is trash

unlucky

[ebon notch]

CALCULATE IT

[midnight mist]

the chinese guy isnt even getting externals

he just cracked

[earnest remnant]

very true

[burnt latch]

yeah i couldnt find any either

gamer

[gusty mirage]

that guy's korean....

they didn't teach yall how to read in Europe?

wtf

[midnight mist]

AH sorry lol

[ebon notch]

they can never tell the diff

[ebon notch]

oh wow

thats even worse

but i always knew @burnt latch was a racist

[earnest remnant]

as a korean im offended

[ebon notch]

ur swedish

[earnest remnant]

no

tf

[ebon notch]

nah 100p

ur swedish

[gusty mirage]

damn bro I feel his pain

[burnt latch]

Dont koreans speak chinese

[gusty mirage]

unlucky

[limber lion]

Even the r1 boy doesn't use Vanish properly

Gg's

[earnest remnant]

dont finnish people speak greek?

[midnight mist]

cant its bugged

[gusty mirage]

BUT THEIR 0.1% GAIN

[ebon notch]

ive had it where my vanish breaks because of mastery proc

like i press it and it insta breaks

[midnight mist]

vanish just break randomly

[ebon notch]

before i can even press ambush or dispatch

[limber lion]

Unlucky

[gusty mirage]

working as intended

[burnt latch]

Im just out here upsetting half of asia with stereotypes arent I

[ebon notch]

add it to the sim

[limber lion]

How does that work

Vanish should have a grace period

[ebon notch]

it happens with shadowmeld also

lmao

[midnight mist]

main gauche proc from autto attacks but a bit late

[gusty mirage]

I wish they were lying

[midnight mist]

so after vanish

[bold heron]

the stereotypes are cringe xD

[burnt latch]

But i honestly thought vietnam / korea / etc all speak chinese

[limber lion]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

bro?

[earnest remnant]

xD

[ebon notch]

ur kidding

[midnight mist]

same in aoe were flurry flurries the auttos late

[ebon notch]

spend less time getting hit by cars for beer money and go to school

[bold heron]

bruh

[earnest remnant]

thats like saying all Scandinavian speak Danish or smth

[gusty mirage]

you guys don't?

[burnt latch]

Not too far off tbh

ill take this as a warcieft w

[bleak sky]

warcieft american confirmed?

[gusty mirage]

its true

I adopted him

[ebon notch]

after that plaguefall you need at least 1 from somewhere

[gusty mirage]

he's now my son

[burnt latch]

[bold heron]

"whats a kilometer?" Fires gun in the distance

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-tread-on-me-snake-gif-6236601

[burnt latch]

Oh buddy dont make me upload the logs

[ebon notch]

no voice

no calls

[bleak sky]

?????

[gusty mirage]

who won on kicks

[burnt latch]

Dude

[ebon notch]

tank goes afk on last boss and we wipe

[burnt latch]

U had 7 CC casts

[bleak sky]

rogue is broken?? confirmed????? best M+ spec

[bold heron]

[burnt latch]

U werent doing any cc whatsoever

[ebon notch]

bro

i was overlapping

with everyone

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

id rather sit back and not DR random mobs

[earnest remnant]

calm down

[ebon notch]

than just send my shit everywhere

[burnt latch]

Gouge on DR

[bleak sky]

which one is you

[ebon notch]

ur down horrendous

[earnest remnant]

im not there

[burnt latch]

I was literally doing all of the plaguefall rogue stops as a monk bound to be a dps loss

[bleak sky]

also what the fuck did that bdk do

20k

[burnt latch]

That was like a +15 rush key

[earnest remnant]

im very good friends with blood dk he sent it to me

[bleak sky]

rushing daps I see

[ebon notch]

i did

so many cc's

[burnt latch]

And show the groups cc?

For comparison

[ebon notch]

if you wanna take this as a dub

[bleak sky]

[burnt latch]

LMAO

[ebon notch]

im not gonna stop you

but you definitely shouldnt

[midnight mist]

that doesnt count when u do one sweep and have 30 ccs

[ebon notch]

yeah

lmao

[bleak sky]

quiet smart man

[midnight mist]

12 para tho

[bleak sky]

this is no time to be rational

[icy agate]

sweeping spiders counts

just as important as discharge

[ebon notch]

if 3 people are on voice im 100% gonna let them do their cc first

and be backup

[burnt latch]

The warlock and the monk

Also show ur domina damage breakdown

[earnest remnant]

ethical bladeflurries

[cold spoke]

nice colour

[earnest remnant]

they need to die

[ebon notch]

???

@burnt latch take a fat L

[midnight mist]

gotem

[cold spoke]

@burnt latch

[spice spire]

Pink warcieft wouldn’t have lost

[ebon notch]

i also feel the need to add

[spice spire]

That’s all I’m saying

[ebon notch]

this was a +28 pf

so i am being completely ethical

[burnt latch]

LOL

[limber lion]

You beat a ww monk on boss damage?

Wow what an accomplishment

[ebon notch]

on all damage

[spice spire]

Yeah but that means the WW is too?

[burnt latch]

I was holding cds for outside of adds to give warlock funnel

[ebon notch]

true

i was very happy he didnt oneshot them

back in the sub funnel days i never got this kind of treatment

[spice spire]

BASED WARCIEFT strikes again

[ebon notch]

theyd just evaporate

[spice spire]

An absolute mad lad here to be a team player

[ebon notch]

except for trying to call me out like 3 seperate times in 5 mins

[burnt latch]

and then getting flamed for it

u started it lmfao

[ebon notch]

you started it a month ago

[bleak sky]

I think

I think this is the rare daps W

and the even rarer warcieft L

[burnt latch]

hard disagree

[spice spire]

Nah team player monk makes lock relevant

[ebon notch]

oof

sore loser

[spice spire]

Beta outlaw rogue flames

[cold spoke]

outlaw and ww talk in sin channel

[earnest remnant]

the Real daps W was him being sassy, passive aggressive towards rl for sending him down on anduin

[limber lion]

Can't we all just make out and have a good time? Hahaha just kidding... unless?

[earnest remnant]

respect it

[ebon notch]

bruh he left viklund upstairs to pad

[spice spire]

God bless

[ebon notch]

it was so fuckin dumb

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

first he sends down an enhancement shaman

then me

[spice spire]

Cev has really embraced the assassination lifestyle

[spice spire]

HUH

[earnest remnant]

tbf yeh that was fucking dumb

[ebon notch]

viklund on the other hand rocking every external in the game

and the implosion leggo

[spice spire]

That man’s hard on the nocco rn

[earnest remnant]

i liked his validation for nuking the adds

[ebon notch]

even cev has gotten sassy with our raid leader

[earnest remnant]

just proccing the leggo

does 900k in a split sec

Strike is a bit special sometimes

[ebon notch]

sometimes

how have you not heard more from koru

[earnest remnant]

i have

xD

alot

im the person he vents to

[ebon notch]

nice

did he say what i did on rygelon

i kept moving early and triggering the explosions

[earnest remnant]

was that when Strike flamed you, then 1 min later doing it himself?

[ebon notch]

maybe?

i remember apologising in voice for it cause it was purely muscle memory

[earnest remnant]

koru told me about that

[ebon notch]

didnt even realise i was doing it

[earnest remnant]

can be quite hard to get rid of muscle memory so cant really blame people to much for playing off of it

[ebon notch]

its w.e i wont do it again

[gusty mirage]

too late

I'm already judging you

[burnt latch]

same tbh

[earnest remnant]

also thing about koru that people learn the more they play with him is, he just sounds angry all the time and that he not actually angry unless you really piss him off or int a fuck ton

[ebon notch]

he screamed at bendie

and then left voice

after raid

cause he brought up your rygelon wipes

[earnest remnant]

lmao

[ebon notch]

something something "you useless norwegian fuck"

[earnest remnant]

sour subject for him i guess

[ebon notch]

he also had had a rough day

from the 2 words we had exchanged at least

[earnest remnant]

he has only ever been angry with me once, and that was because i annoyed him on purpose

also im very good at being annoying if i want to

[ebon notch]

no way really

[earnest remnant]

trust this i nothing compared to what i did to him

[earnest remnant]

if you ever want koru to vent a bit just ask him about his opinion of a guy called Azo

[burnt latch]

the hunter?

[earnest remnant]

its a warrior

[burnt latch]

ah

[ebon notch]

azozio?

[earnest remnant]

ye

[ebon notch]

i boosted with that guy in dawn

hes a bit of an ape

[spice spire]

He just like me then fr

[burnt latch]

its 2022 imo we should start using ape as a praise not an insult

[spice spire]

So true, bestie

[burnt latch]

big up to all my apes

[earnest remnant]

ape together strong

[spice spire]

[burnt latch]

now the real question, should i do todays main raid on monk for gear purposes or with rogue for parses (no wf sadge)

[ebon notch]

playing monk in raid is depression

[burnt latch]

I know, but Id like a bit of gear

[earnest remnant]

isnt there only 3 weeks left

so gear is kinda w/e no?

[burnt latch]

yeah but next tyra week is good, im trying to get some io on the monk then

[spice spire]

No WFT tho

[earnest remnant]

ohh yeah i forgot you guys like m+

[spice spire]

Will you have WFT next week?

Or just perma gone

[burnt latch]

most likely no wft untill dragonflight

[spice spire]

[burnt latch]

unless enha is good in m+ S4

DOUBT

[ebon notch]

did he quit

also double veinripper

[burnt latch]

nah but rerolled to a better m+ class since its not prog

so no need for wft really

which is very sadge for my damage

[gusty mirage]

I'll be your enhancement shaman

I'm trash tier at the game

[burnt latch]

ill let you know theres 2 arms warriors and 2 outlaw rogues welcoming u with open arms

[gusty mirage]

but I'm a team player

no I don't want them getting it

just you

I'm there to buff you and no one else

[burnt latch]

we can make that happen

G5

Oxi + warcieft

ez

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

when do i loot skill

[gusty mirage]

you don't

[midnight mist]

UH

[spice spire]

HUH

Do you legit have BiS?

[ebon notch]

missing chest from ryg

[gusty mirage]

still has 0 bitches tho

unlucky

[spice spire]

Amen

@ both

[ebon notch]

i have gf no need for bitches

[spice spire]

Do you have the signet from TW AND ARE STILL 282?

[ebon notch]

no

[gusty mirage]

can never actually be BiS

HAHA

[spice spire]

Ladies and gentleman, we got em

[gusty mirage]

you may have 282 ilvl

but I have something you can never have

[spice spire]

(I can’t either, started moving week of)

[gusty mirage]

hours and hours in court of stars with whispyr slowly losing my sanity

[deft flicker]

Why'd you allow him to lose your sanity??

[gusty mirage]

so that we may suffer together

bro don't make me log on and check mine

cuz I know r.io is wrong

[ebon notch]

i only farmed this recent TW btw

i think i did like 2 runs of the other one

[burnt latch]

Imagine farming for shitty rings and trinkets when sub is the only viable spec this tier

[deft flicker]

Imagine being tied to the least popular weapon type in the game

[spice spire]

Damn you fell for it too?

[gusty mirage]

imagine thinking you get bitches while playing sub